still not great though
#h1-builds-and-combat
long escarp
cunning urchin
Depends on your build.
long escarp
It’s nice to have with weak and hyper sprint
bright vine
I can go to pom or hermes
cunning urchin
You'll want to use Lesser Calls for Dionysus' Aid. Don't wait for the god gauge to fill completely. Just mash Call whenever it's up pretty much.
Since Hangover stacks are capped at 5 anyway, you'll get a lot more damage from 4 Lesser Calls than from 1 Greater Call.
cunning urchin
I can go to pom or hermes
Lord Hermes.
bright vine
Good to know, too late went for the pom since you seemed adamant
long escarp
Only time I pick poms over Hermes is Beowulf
bright vine
Didnt even get the call as a pom option
cunning urchin
I didn't say anything about poms here. 
Was just explaining how to best use the Call.
bright vine
Oh ang1l sorry
I just got bs'd so hard on that boss im actuslly kinda mad, killed the mino got him low and he threw the spear missed me and i just died like he recalled it or something there was nothing to damage me
bright vine
Ffs
bright vine
Didnt realise he recalled it
cosmic pine
Which aspect should I be using on spear?
violet solar
where can I post a screenshot of a build?
long escarp
violet solar
I made a build of Merciful End and Curse of Drowning with fists and it was a kids game to beat the run
polar python
Question: If you use Achilles spear with Blade Rift and cast a rift and then attack 4+ times, does the rift carry on having boosted damage?
cunning urchin
Yes. Your 4th attack won't get the bonus damage.
long escarp
Imagine it like when you do a raging rush, if you have no raging rush points, gain 4 raging rush points. Then whenever you attack or cast, spend 1 raging rush point if possible. If you do, that attack or cast get the bonus damage for its full duration.
cunning urchin
Should be easy enough to test if you want to verify it yourself.
long escarp
True
The only thing that throws me off is that raging rush doesn’t refresh my charges unless I have zero
polar python
Does freezing vortex preclude hunting blades
You can tell I don't use Aeres much
Hunting plus freezing sounds good
But I'm being offered freezing first and would rather have hunting if I have to pick just one
One creates a faster rift and one is slower
Does that just sort of cancel out?
long escarp
- I don’t think hunting makes them faster, just homing
- You can’t have both hunting and freezing as far as I’m aware
- Freezing sucks really bad lmao
polar python
Bugger, I just took freezing
long escarp
unreal tree
long escarp
Anything obliterates Tisiphone
unreal tree
Not fists
valid dagger
Fists
long escarp
I mean fists are decently fast, they’re just not very safe
marble kettle
for aspect of chiron , is aphrodite atk + artemis special + duo stronger than dio atk + artemis special + duo ?
long escarp
Agreed
valid dagger
You wont be applying Hangover well enough to proc the full passive easily
Besides
You kinda want more damage because Chiron shoots a lot of arrows so you’re bound to get crits, a bit of extra crit chance is nice but not needed
Especially from a duo
So yea Heartrend is a lot better
If you wanna add Splitting Headache to that take Dio Call instead
Chiron builds call gauge very fast due to rapid hits so you’ll be able to get a lesser one off every few seconds
If you’re decently close you can get those Hangover stacks on for Splitting Headache value
But all of that is side stuff that you don’t need and shouldnt go out of your way to get
cunning urchin
Typical Chiron builds are Heart Rend and Low Tolerance but Sea Storm is also very good.
Heartbreak Strike + Deadly/Drunken Flourish for the former two.
Tempest Flourish + Electric Shot or Zeus' Aid for Sea Storm... and typically also Tidal Dash
long escarp
How about Curse of Agony + Drunken Flourish for Curse of Nausea? Would that not be just as good?
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is #1 for Hangover damage.
long escarp
Why though? CoN seems like it would be basically the same
cunning urchin
Because math.
long escarp
Explain
long escarp
8 hangover doing 10 each every 0.5 seconds is 80 dps
5 hangover doing 10 each every 0.35 seconds is just under 75 dps
Very close
The upside is that it’s better if split between enemies for any reason
lucid oar
Low tolerance is like 40% better
lucid oar
Where was my math off?
It wasn’t, you were just comparing 80 to 71.4 when you should have been comparing 30 to 21.4
long escarp
Since they’re basically multiplicative
Like conc + relentless
lucid oar
Yeah
cunning urchin
You can easily splash Curse of Vengeance for Curse of Nausea.
long escarp
It wasn’t, you were just comparing 80 to 71.4 when you should have been comparin...
Wait what
long escarp
You can easily splash Curse of Vengeance for Curse of Nausea.
True
long escarp
right
fallen spoke
can someone give me a fun build ?
long escarp
Trippy Shot Beo
lucid oar
Lightning strike flurry slash zag sword
fallen spoke
dont have legendary aspects bc achilles not speak to me
fallen spoke
dont have legendary aspects bc achilles not speak to me
maybe bc me did like 5 runs after going to hades
long escarp
Thunder Dash Gilgamesh
It’s not as bad as it sounds
It can actually be really good
Well
Not really good
But if you get everything then enemies will melt
fallen spoke
oh ok
fallen spoke
what dat
proven monolith
demeter fists prob
long escarp
Breaking wave and typhoons fury
long escarp
demeter fists prob
It’s Talos
long escarp
Look at all those tiny numbers
umbral jolt
Hey i wanna ask if u get the "being to use 3 specials in a row" with the gun then get the rocket launcher upgrade, does that mean youll be able to shoot 3 rockets in a row?
long escarp
Triple bomb + rocket bomb? Yes
But it’s not that good tbh
However…….
Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb
That’s busted
umbral jolt
Latest build i managed to do was faster charge bull rush + bull rush projectile plus bunch of Poseidon boons
long escarp
Sudden Rush + Charged Shot
cunning urchin
@lucid oar @long escarp
Whether you say Low Tolerance does 1.12x as much or 12% more damage over Curse of Vengeance or whether you say Low Tolerance adds 1.4x as much or 40% more damage... just different ways to express the same thing.
lucid oar
Think you need your sleep
long escarp
shell sleet
I mean fists are decently fast, they’re just not very safe
fists have the slowest furies fights on average for any%
last dirge
Also depends on the weapon and aspect whether low tolerance is actually better
Chiron? Sure
Fists? Maybe
All dio special rama? Low Tolerance wouldnt make much sense without Passion Dash
Low Tolerance takes another step, so it has to do a little more damage.
cunning urchin
Chiron? Sure
We were talking about Chiron.
last dirge
Ah. For sure then
long escarp
fists have the slowest furies fights on average for any%
Oh alright fair enough
umbral jolt
how good is the "never having to reload" upgrade?
shell sleet
how good is the "never having to reload" upgrade?
if you mean delta chamber, very good.
If you mean eternal chamber, quite bad.
valid dagger
And it actually lowers DPS
That’s such a bad argument considering how much it lowers it
And that your damage is also coming from other sources
Like Chain Lightning and Jolts
umbral jolt
if you mean delta chamber, very good.
If you mean eternal chamber, quite bad.
im with the delta chamber now
it doesnt seem great
long escarp
Yes and it still lowers them if you take that into account
My point isn’t that it substantially reduces it, just that it technically reduces it.
long escarp
it doesnt seem great
It does something that it doesn’t say it does. You now have full invincibility during a dash-strike
Which you had none before
Why it does this I do not know
But it’s busted
valid dagger
Yes and it still lowers them if you take that into account
And how did you find that out
long escarp
A spreadsheet that I…. do not know how to find 
Anyway, my point isn’t that it greatly hurts damage or anything. Just that you’re spending a hammer and your DPS is getting a minor decrease. Which would be bad, if it didn’t also provide more safety than any of hammer in the game by far
opaque sky
yo ice wine is so much cooler than i thought
the fact that it makes the cast pop instantly
opaque sky
yo ice wine is so much cooler than i thought
pun unintended
valid dagger
long escarp
Yeah, it’s faster (except on Beo where it’s way slower for some reason) 
proven osprey
Ice win Achilles is super nice
opaque sky
lol beo
long escarp
Ice Wine Scintillating Feast is fun
It’s like the only cast where you can have both duos
vale imp
you can get Mirage Shot and Blizzard Shot i think
long escarp
Mirage doesn’t count because it works on any cast
shell sleet
any fun builds suggestions
long escarp
You can’t get blizzard and curse of drowning
shell sleet
achilles tart resets are annoying me
shell sleet
i have
drifting storm
shell sleet
boonless boring
shell sleet
its just hestia pew pew
long escarp
I assume you’ve done trippy flare Beo before
shell sleet
ofc
long escarp
Lightning Phalanx Poseidon? I guess you’ve probably done that too
shell sleet
i actually havent
but ive done lightning phalanx achilles many times
is it quite different?
long escarp
Idk tbh
It’s meta on Poseidon though, or at least I think it is
You could do some Gilgamesh dash only runs, those are fun
Dash only EM4
shell sleet
Dash only EM4
long escarp
Yeah but FO0 HL0 with DDs
long escarp
Yeah then you can do dash only 10 heat with EM4
Dash only is very safe
That’s the thing about it
shell sleet
honestly ill give that a try
long escarp
I did dash only EM4 with tidal, thunder, and blade dash
shell sleet
and authority for the memes
although authority probably optimal on dash only
since you just want a lot of poseidon
long escarp
I’m a fan of Thunder dash tbh
Tidal is better
But Thunder dash goes crazy if you get everything
Which you totally can
shell sleet
personally prefer splash
there isnt really anything special about thunder dash
since jolted+splitting is doing most of the damage
long escarp
It looks absurd
With double strike and high voltage
But both are fun
Do whichever you’d prefer
shell sleet
wait im so confused
i have fiery on
but epic splash dash is still hitting for 51 on first strike
shell sleet
also i havent played FO0 in so long
enemies feel so sluggish
and they spawn too slowly
long escarp
You could do EM4 FO2
lucid oar
Global
unreal tree
Its op on dash%
long escarp
The bugs document grows 
shell sleet
man dad is so slow without FO that i would have gotten hit a lot if it wasnt for purple greatest reflex
by dashing too early i mean
long escarp
6 dashes go zoom
tough magnet
<@!343730643123044352> You can watch Wriste13's speedrunning basics
i will do so and try to get my 24 mins down
so 24 mins dont really count, that was the try when hades dont want to fight
my really best is like 27
valid dagger
Yea there is quite a bit of room for improvement there
long escarp
It gets a lot easier to get good times when you get the fundamentals of the game down
Just keep playing and you will get faster
I wouldn’t even worry about speedrun strats until you’re trying to get at least a sub 12 tbh
proper furnace
@quartz fractal hunting blades was my heavy boss dmg
Flurry + tidal was for room clears mostly
quartz fractal
cool
fallen spoke
any good chiron builds
lucid oar
Typical Chiron builds are Heart Rend and Low Tolerance but Sea Storm is also ver...
Right here
fallen spoke
ok thx
drowsy bridge
I’ve just unlocked all the weapons any recommendations?
fallen spoke
even aspects
quartz fractal
duude i want to try a sea storm chiron run that sounds fun
last dirge
Try splitting headache rama
Dio special Artemis attack and dash
Then get Mark and Splitting Headache. Anything else that boosts survival or dps is icing.
Splitting Headache isnt even necessary. It's just that the two base gods work great.
Though splitting will make your hangovers crit and set up mark for you
shell sleet
@sterile fiber what is scuffed%
shell sleet
so i could just not max boiling blood and it would be sucuffed%
warped egret
Hi guye. So I want to beat the game with every weapon.. My first clear was with the Special spam of the shield with doom boons from ares and some deflection boons from athene.. This is kind of a 'newbie friendly' build right?
So I want to clear a run with every weapon one time before I advance to the heat system.. Can you guys recommend me 'newbie friendly' builds for the other weapons? Would also love to know every effect of the build (hammer, keepsake)
valid dagger
Hi guye. So I want to beat the game with every weapon.. My first clear was with ...
Base weapons?
Or do you also have aspects
warped egret
Or do you also have aspects
I got the chrion aspect of the bow at lvl 1 so far
and I think I have enough titan blood to get a second aspect level 1
the reason why I bought the chiron aspect is that I saw a youtube video where someone was showing how broken the dps build on the chiron was
I tried it .. and miserably failed somewhere in Asphodel
I think my playstyle is pretty much safe and more defensive than offensive @valid dagger maybe this helps you to recommend me builds
I think I have more like a hit and run and try to dodge alot playstyle
cunning urchin
Chiron is pretty bad until higher levels.
valid dagger
So for Chiron since you have it only at lv1 you’re better off going for a Hangover build because you only have 5 arrows, a dps build would really want a fully upgraded Chiron with atleast a good hammer
For a Hangover build you wanna start with Dionysus’ keepsake and grab his Special, throughout your Tartarus you’re mainly looking for your hammer and possibly Aphrodite (Attack), and Athena (Dash or Call), Poseidon’s Dash is really good if you find him too but it’s not as safe as Athena’s usually, you wanna always be pomming your Special since it’s your main source of damage and it has really good pom scaling. So the usual build for Hangover likes Low Tolerance which is the Aphro Dio Duo Boon so you can force her into Asphodel to try to get that but it’s not necessary/optimal due to only having 5 arrows so you need multiple volleys to get the 8 stacks, but it’s still reasonably good on bosses, for hammers you’re looking for Relentless Volley and concentrated Volley, Piercing can also be okay, for Elysium and Styx take defensive keepsakes so you don’t die
Or you could just play the normal bow instead
Chiron can be a bit easier due to not having to powershot and dash strike etc, but the Special locks you in place so it’s not the safest aspect ever but it is beginner friendly
cunning urchin
I think I have more like a hit and run and try to dodge alot playstyle
I'd advise against locking yourself mentally into any sort of playstyle. You're new to game. There are so many tactics and strategies you haven't learned yet, let alone mastered. So just keep focusing on experimenting and learning.
You might find yourself playing hyper-aggressive before you know it because you figure something out that works really well for you.
warped egret
So for Chiron since you have it only at lv1 you’re better off going for a Hangov...
Tyvm for this build gonna try this soon.. U eventually have time to give me beginner friendly builds for the other weapons?
warped egret
You might find yourself playing hyper-aggressive before you know it because you ...
Yea that makes sense ty for the advice
cunning urchin
I wrote a Newbie Build Guide that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players. Might wanna give that a look to get you started with the various weapons.
valid dagger
Tyvm for this build gonna try this soon.. U eventually have time to give me begi...
gl! Try reading Nyaanyaa’s guide and see how things work out for you and if you need more help you can ask here again
warped egret
gl! Try reading Nyaanyaa’s guide and see how things work out for you and if you ...
Im trying @cunning urchin guide for the twin fists atm and it works pretty good so far.. Entered styx but got no deaths defiance left unfortunately.. I hope I can do it anyways
valid dagger
Melee weapons can be tougher to play so yea it's probably a matter of practice
terse thistle
tried the beowulf mirage shot build, got it a bit too late but least i didn't lose a DD. might have to try the trippy shot one later... it seems arthur is still my fav of the hidden aspects...
long escarp
Wym Beowulf mirage shot build
Every single Beo build wants mirage shot
More than literally any other boon pretty much
terse thistle
mirage shot or bust, but i had lot of fun with trippy shot before and scintillating feast
valid dagger
tHuNdEr FlArE
long escarp
True I guess
long escarp
mirage shot or bust, but i had lot of fun with trippy shot before and scintillat...
What does “mirage shot or bust” mean
Flood Flare start?
Because even for trippy flare, mirage shot is the literal best boon you can get so you should always go for it
terse thistle
i mean it's either use mirage shot or there's not much point... but trippy shot ain't have bad. my first beowulf run ended with trippy flare and i kinda like that one better ngl
terse thistle
and i'm not good at explaining so i'm just gonna go back to trippy flare..
long escarp
Mirage Shot is, again, literally the best boon for literally every Beo build (except Thunder flare)
Including trippy flare
So that’s not any different
Trippy Flare kinda needs it less but it will still 2x their damage which is stupid good
I just don’t get what “it’s either use mirage shot or there’s not much point” means. Like that’s not a build that’s a mindset
That’s like someone asks what build use for my speedruns and I say “go as fast as possible”
warped egret
Im trying <@311477984886521856> guide for the twin fists atm and it works pretty...
I died at Hades first phase 😦
I dont know why but Hades does so much damage and doesnt care about my deflection somehow
sterile fiber
Deflecting his stab is free serotonin
long escarp
I think if you empty divine dash through a spin (meaning you i-frame it) it does deflect and he takes damage. Not certain though
unreal tree
Only the first one works that way
unreal tree
How is it a bug
long escarp
Are you saying only the first spin of the fight can be deflected?
unreal tree
And its harder to time than just avoiding it by empty dashing normally
unreal tree
I recall nyaa saying you could deflect every single one in early access
long escarp
If they changed it, I doubt their goal was to make only the first spin deflectable
long escarp
WTF???
proper furnace
rama gaming
long escarp
What in the world
polar python
My guess is there's an internal cool down on phasing.
long escarp
So technically with enough damage (probably more than is possible unseeded), you can 1-shot Hades (or I guess 2-shot technically)
polar python
Ahh, so the phasing happens but the excess damage isn't prevented?
long escarp
Also, is this universal? Does shared suffering literally always ignore all phase shields from bosses? For the document
polar python
I noticed she just entered the 3rd phase shift right before dying.
unreal tree
Also, is this universal? Does shared suffering literally always ignore all phase...
Theres a clip of it on lernie
long escarp
I noticed she just entered the 3rd phase shift right before dying.
You can shoot her a bit earlier than the visual would have you believe, if that’s what you mean
unreal tree
polar python
Nice
unreal tree
Description
long escarp
Ah
That’s absurd
Wait
So the boss needs to not be phased yet. Then you do the shared suffering damage and the phasing starts but doesn’t cancel any extra damage?
So it’s kinda complicated to set up because you need the shared suffering to do damage while the boss is not phased, meaning if you activated it by attacking the boss then you need that attack to not be enough to phase the boss
valid dagger
If the boss is already phased you cant deal damage to them
Might be a lot to take in but trust me
long escarp
What do you think about this description for the document:
“If a boss takes shared suffering damage that is more than the amount of damage required to put up their phase shield, they will take all of the shared suffering damage even if it exceeds the amount of damage required to put up the shield (then the shield will be put up as normal).”
I will also include both of those examples
long escarp
Still working on it
Ok I got the lernie clip but the Meg clip seems to be too long to put on Imgur so idk
shell sleet
So technically with enough damage (probably more than is possible unseeded), you...
I don't think that would be possible
you would need to do upwards of 9445 damage with 1 shot
and you can't use twin or anything
maybe you could do it with like 15 epic chaos lunge
long escarp
As I said, not really possible unseeded
And also you’d have to wait for him to summon minions if you wanted to instakill, and you could only skip 60% of the second half of phase 2
Wait unless
Maybe can you skip P2
Hmmm
potent pier
how do smoldering air and ||hades aid|| interact?
long escarp
They don’t
unreal tree
cant get smoldering air while you have hades aid
potent pier
ok ty
long escarp
And if you force it (which is possible), you just can’t call iirc
proven osprey
Can't equip the keepsake while you have smoldering air
long escarp
Oh alr
bright vine
Is there a list of best to worst hammer uogrades for every weapon? I ask about them alot, today is guns
Cluster bomb
Flurry fire
Hazard bomb
(Doubt hazard is the go but both others seem reasonably good
proper furnace
Cluster is good, if paired with rocket bomb is broken
Hazard is good, more of a meme in eris aspect
bright vine
Rocket bomb is another hammer i'd have to roll?
bright vine
Hmm only got a good double once on spear with tripple hit and flurry
proper furnace
Also the reason is broken with cluster is cause the "-30% base dmg" from cluster is applied before the 80 base dmg from rocket is applied
bright vine
Oh dang
proper furnace
So 5 rockets at 80 base dmg is kinda strong
proper furnace
Oh yeah is not like triple
proper furnace
Triple fun when i didnt know rockrt bomb existed
bright vine
Tripple on guns or spear?
proper furnace
Triple bomb was my only way to win with rail before lmao
proper furnace
Then i learned to just slap zeus on attack
long escarp
Yep
bright vine
We talked about tripple spear the other day i like it, but yeh first time on guns, unlocked it because it was a orerequisite to getting other weapon types then i realised you have to beat the game to unlock them big sad
proper furnace
You dont need to clear a run to unlock aspects
bright vine
Its nice with doom or grog effects just hitting everyone, even poseidons knockback
long escarp
And yeah you can unlock aspects right after unlocking every weapon
bright vine
You dont need to clear a run to unlock aspects
Dont you need to get to hades just not beat him
long escarp
No
proper furnace
Thats a requisite for hidden aspect of the spear
bright vine
Wait what? All the videos say you do
Doesnt the spear need to be done before other weapons though?
Hemce the point
proper furnace
For hidden aspects yeah (they are different of the other aspects)
bright vine
Oh the 5th of each weapon requires beating the game
long escarp
*4th
bright vine
:P
proper furnace
the method for both normal aspects and hiddens are pinned in #h1-story-discussionbtw
but if you already unlocked all weapons just do a run and check the equipped weapon once you are back in the courtyard
bright vine
Sweet ill checkout spear and shield like them both, sword is the only one i won't play with even with the shadow bonus, trash weapon never get a good run with it
Tidal dash is good right and scales well with poms?
I have that or special damage and knockback
proper furnace
rail still right? yeah
bright vine
Yeah
proper furnace
what is on your attack btw?
bright vine
On my attack?
proper furnace
what boon
proper furnace
ah i see
bright vine
Or i take special damage and try for the deflection dash love that
proper furnace
if you like the safety then go ahead
can use athena keepsake in aspho if she doesnt appear in tart
bright vine
Need a safer one i struggle the most in aspohodel (lave right?) Snakes annoying too
The bombers and stuff catch me off guard a bit with the green homing bombs
proper furnace
yeah probably wait for divine dash probably
can also test tidal dash too in other run
enemies cant kill you if they are dead
bright vine
Is tidal the best damage dash?
proper furnace
yup
when paired with breaking wave it gets insane room clears too
just wall slam everything
bright vine
Ooh attack inflicts doom or blade call, the call is always best huh
Doom on the gun seems nice though
Basicly an extra 50 damage every bullet
proper furnace
il probably save the attack for zeus attack
bright vine
il probably save the attack for zeus attack
Yeah buddy Epic chain lightning on attack
Also idk if poseidon for special was good on cluster, trying to hit all of them on 1 terget seems to knock them out of the other blast zones
proper furnace
sell it at a pool of purging then
bright vine
From hermes i have
Quick favor
Second wind
Hypersprint
I usually take quick favor to play safe and hide until my gauge maxes like in bone hydra but are the others worth taking?
bright vine
I'd take second wind with the drunk call since its better to use 1 bar whenever you can but if im saving up to full i rarely use it so wont take it with the blade call, ill try hyper spribt
valid dagger
There are better ways to build up gauge
proper furnace
if its your first hermes hope for rush delivery for your 2nd boon
global dmg good
bright vine
Dunno what it does but i'll look out for it
valid dagger
Global damage
proper furnace
rush delivery makes so bonus speed = more dmg
valid dagger
It’s a damage boost to everything
proper furnace
at 50%/75%/100% of rarity
bright vine
Ahh is that only while in extra speed the 0.5 seconds after dashing?
proper furnace
so hyper sprint + rush delivery (common) would be a 50% dmg increase to everything while you have hyper sprint active
proper furnace
also stacks with other sources of speed bonus
so ichors/2nd wind/greater haste/etc
bright vine
Ok another thing is it on cast like if i dash then shoot cluster bomb will they hit with more damage or do i shoot cluster then dash before they land being in extra speed when they land for the damage
valid dagger
Bouldy
proper furnace
as long the dmg source hits while you have hyper sprint active it receives the bonus
valid dagger
It’s decent, can also depend on the aspect you’re using it with, cast aspects can help, you kinda want Ice Wine with it because the whole arc thing is so slow it’s hard to hit enemies with it sometimes
bright vine
Hmm my options just suck this round so its that drunken dash or strong drink (ehich ive been told blows)
valid dagger
The opposite
An early strong drink is strong no pun intended
Free damage
And you heal to full hp
bright vine
Unholy pancake told me it basicly always sucks but cool ill take that then
unreal tree
LOOOOL
bright vine
Lol
valid dagger
Don’t expose me like that
long escarp
Unholy pancake told me it basicly always sucks but cool ill take that then
What
Drunken Dash?
bright vine
Strong drink
proper furnace
stronk drink
bright vine
Few days ago i asked whats good u said take nectar healing over strong drink and that it isnt very useful 99% sure that was you
bright vine
Btw theres no way to tell how close to the next boss you are right?
valid dagger
Chamber number
bright vine
Just took a chaos portal got caustic strike (very tempting) and slothful flourish which would be good for special but half movespeed sucks
Oh shiiiz chamber 22 im vsing hydra with caustic
unreal tree
Inferno bombs
proper furnace
ty
long escarp
Oh that’s not bad at all
proper furnace
Just took a chaos portal got caustic strike (very tempting) and slothful flouris...
(gonna add, attack% is really bad if you arent using hestia/spread fire rail)
rail attack is like 10 base lol
long escarp
Yeah
bright vine
Well... haha btw got a special encounter or a daedalus...
proper furnace
probably patty, hammer will more than nothing appear later
bright vine
Possible increased rarity for rush delivery (which i just got yay)
bright vine
Only thing is i'm in the third area after snake and ive never beaten this boss in 3 encounters
Mino and spear dude
proper furnace
focus on the bull first and be near pillars/pay attention to the mark on you when other dude is about to throw the spear
bright vine
Ik still gets me with the spear when i have to dodge the mino charge and stuff its so quick and mino pulls my attention from the oink target on me not that that helps me reliably dodge him
proper furnace
you know that doing dash strikes stops the i-frames of the dash btw right?
long escarp
except with delta chamber
bright vine
Dash attacks? Didnt know that but rail doesnt have one anyway right just shoots out of dash
valid dagger
It has one
long escarp
It shoots twice
bright vine
Oh thats super unnoticable
long escarp
Only thing without a dash strike is Lucifer
Dash striking with rail is very important
proper furnace
Oh thats super unnoticable
best way to notice it is dash striking into an enemy attack
proper furnace
~~except with delta chamber~~
also this, delta chamber hammer for rail makes your dash strike still keeps your i frames
long escarp
Which is insanely good btw
bright vine
Hammer?
long escarp
Yes
bright vine
Hmm making me want to take the hammer door more now haha over the unique encounter
proper furnace
i just assumed patty was gonna be better to see
long escarp
But generally I would advise not skipping hammers
Oh
Patty goated
If you need the health or DDs take Patty
bright vine
Hyper sprint- rush delivery commons might get extra rarity, btw isnt it always ramdom between the 3 or do you find one of each in the areas
long escarp
What
proper furnace
also game likes to push you to have 2 hermes/2 hammers so is probably gonna appear soon
bright vine
There are 3 ! Encounters
proper furnace
Hyper sprint- rush delivery commons might get extra rarity, btw isnt it always r...
tart - dude
aspho - eury
elysium - patroclus/patty
bright vine
Ahh and if i got patroclus?
long escarp
DDs
HP
Attack damage
bright vine
Dds? lol sorry
proper furnace
death defiances
bright vine
Ahhh
proper furnace
patty is buffed version of charon wells items
bright vine
Oh replenished lol i have 1 that i havent used yet
long escarp
If you have max DDs it doesn’t do anything though
ocean shuttle
whats better for deflect build, divine dash or divine strike
bright vine
Dash
ocean shuttle
thats what i thought
bright vine
Divine dash is tha shiz
long escarp
What’s a deflect build
bright vine
True but id always take dash
ocean shuttle
What’s a deflect build
a build centered around athenas deflect ability
long escarp
Why would you do that
ocean shuttle
payoffs?
long escarp
What rewards you for a “deflect build” that wouldn’t just be better as a small part of the build
Like you don’t need a “deflect build” for boons like deadly reversal to be good
ocean shuttle
its not hard, you just need divine dash and you have a deflect build
and you take a lot less dmg
bright vine
i just assumed patty was gonna be better to see
Btw if she buffs health since DD are useless to me shoukd i take the hammer?
long escarp
That’s not a deflect build. That’s divine dash.
ocean shuttle
fair
valid dagger
That’s exactly what I was gonna type
terse thistle
i don't get clocket often, but when i do... boy it's a massive endorphin rush
proper furnace
Btw if she buffs health since DD are useless to me shoukd i take the hammer?
probably, you also skip a combat which is nice but not really needed most of the time
also patty is he
long escarp
Attack damage is really good on some weapons
proper furnace
the hydralite+ is neat too (when the occasion is worth it ofc)
long escarp
LC4 gang
bright vine
Brooo i got rocket bomb totally worth taking the hammer
long escarp
Yeah Rocket Bomb is one of the best hammers in the game
Made even better by the existence of clockets
long escarp
Rocket is extra good on Eris
bright vine
Cluckets?
terse thistle
cluster bomb and rockets, very good on eris
long escarp
Although for Hestia and Zag rail, Hazard is generally a better option
bright vine
Eris? Version of the gun?
long escarp
cluster bomb and rockets, very good on eris
very good literally everywhere
terse thistle
yep, my fav
proper furnace
Eris? Version of the gun?
2nd aspect of the rail
terse thistle
75% max global damage
proper furnace
gives global dmg for 4 seconds if you are in the explosion of your special
long escarp
Eris is really good
terse thistle
once i went eris there was no going back
long escarp
Hestia better
proper furnace
also hazard bomb eris fun but more of a meme
bright vine
If u guys could pick one aspect for each weapon which would it be (i'm about to start getting them) hunting the hidden for shield but need to drop 5 blood there anyway to unlock it
proper furnace
Thanks Croven <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Croven tier boons lol
bright vine
I only really care for rail spear and shield i think
long escarp
Eris and Hestia are both great for rail
bright vine
Zues not the hidden?
proper furnace
you need to put blood in others shields aspect for hidden shield
long escarp
Oh I thought you needed somewhere to put your titan blood to unlock Beo
terse thistle
sword: hard to say, bit of a tie between nemesis and poseidon
spear: achilles
shield: chaos
bow: chiron
fist: zag
rail: eris
proper furnace
zeus is the more worth
bright vine
Oh ok drop 5 in zeus for shield then take special
long escarp
Beo is imo the best weapon in the game. But Zeus is also insanely good
terse thistle
guan yu is needed first before the other hidden aspect requirements are met too
proper furnace
sword: hard to say, bit of a tie between nemesis and poseidon
spear: achilles
sh...
zag fists gaming i like it
terse thistle
zag fists gaming i like it
i run it with plume for fun often
bright vine
I'm not really down with the fists
proper furnace
you only need to reveal hidden spear, not unlocking it
long escarp
Fists are so bad tbh 
terse thistle
yep, reveal hidden spear and the rest can be unlocked pretty easily'
long escarp
I mean they’re not that bad. I just don’t like them
And they’re pretty weak and unsafe which is not a good combo
terse thistle
GY can be fun, does require some blood to keep that health reduce lower
bright vine
I think i have like 7 blood so i can onky get the spear unlocked, which aspect you guys reckon i run on it?
long escarp
Achilles
proper furnace
I mean they’re not *that* bad. I just don’t like them
relatable on a lot of aspects lol
bright vine
Unanimous for achilles?
long escarp
Achilles and Guan Yu are the only spear aspects
proper furnace
also remember hidden spear is 5 aspects unlocked across all weapons
and yeah achilles 100%
terse thistle
achilles is just so good, and i'm not even a spear guy
bright vine
Ok sweet will do that next run
long escarp
Achilles is great for cast builds and also flurry jab
bright vine
I need to do a run with soear then go back to the holder to look at aspects right
long escarp
What
proper furnace
after you finish your current run aspects should be unlocked
long escarp
Just interact with it twice
bright vine
Pick up the weapon and interact again
long escarp
Yes
polar python
Aspects for me are: Arthur, Achilles, Beo (obv), Chiron (comfy), Talos and Hestia
terse thistle
one day you'll realize minotaur is pretty easy
polar python
Demeter fists just never clicked with me
bright vine
also what boon you have on special?
Poseidon 70% damage and knockback
bright vine
Havent found another
proper furnace
playing rama after not using it in a while, insta phasing furies feels so good
polar python
Rama is very good
long escarp
Gilgnyaanesh
Might as well not be fists since you know I’m not using it’s kit at all
unreal tree
Nerd
bright vine
What special boon should i look for with cluckets?
proper furnace
Havent found another
the game offering a replace for your special is a 10%
compared to the game trying to make you take a special boon if you dont have one
long escarp
Artemis or Aphrodite
proper furnace
artemis/aphro ideally
polar python
What special boon should i look for with cluckets?
Anything you like, you've already won
bright vine
Aphro is the reduced damage effect right is that just because your in their face to clucket all the time?
I usualy dont like aphro
long escarp
It has the biggest %
proper furnace
Aphro has the highest % of all
bright vine
Ahh
proper furnace
also weak good, yeah
polar python
Aphro is godlike
long escarp
Weak is great
polar python
Literally and figuratively
proper furnace
and things like sweet surrender for a bit more dmg and all of that
long escarp
Not just for this situation
polar python
And so many good duos
bright vine
Artemis's special does what?
proper furnace
crits
long escarp
Weak is always good except in a speedrun where it’s less good but still kinda useful
polar python
Crits
bright vine
Oh crit would be dirty
polar python
Hint: It's always crits with Artemis 
long escarp
Hunter’s Mark is a very good boon
bright vine
I got heroic tempest strike but it would take over an epic lightning strike?
proper furnace
dont
long escarp
God no
polar python
Yeah Hunters Mark should always be your goal on an Artemis build.
proper furnace
% attack boons on rail attack is normally a bad idea
bright vine
Or flood shot seems a decent cast and razor shoals
long escarp
Especially with the worst % bonus in the game
bright vine
My only knockback is my speical for shoals
proper furnace
cast can be decent if you can get breaking wave, shoals always nice
unreal tree
Especially with the worst % bonus in the game <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I think you need to pom epic pos attack between 12-15 times to get it to 100%
bright vine
But if i hunt artemis or aphro for their soecial shoals will become useless
proper furnace
what chamber are you in elysium?
bright vine
Cant check before picking
polar python
If you said you have clockets, I wouldn't worry about shoals. You'll overtake that damage output just by adding Aphrodite
bright vine
Nvm 31
proper furnace
probably not worth it to hunt for another special
what gods you have boons currently?
zeus-poseidon-ares and whats the 4th?
bright vine
Purple drunk, ares call, 2 hermes, poseidon special, zeus attack
proper furnace
oh dionysus, yeah probably not worth it
you would need to take artemis/aphro keepsake into the 4th area to see them
bright vine
Vintage strong drink after party
polar python
Oh I thought they were being offered Aphrodite as a swap
bright vine
Well lets see if i can beat this areas boss and discuss boons for the next area after haha
proper furnace
i say not worth it cause a defensive keepsake for those areas is better
oh yeah speaking of that, whats your current keepsake?
polar python
You have 4 gods in the pool already?
proper furnace
Purple drunk, ares call, 2 hermes, poseidon special, zeus attack
they have
zeus-poseidon-ares-dio
polar python
So won't see Aphro naturally
Rip the dream
Stick with shoals and try to pom it and hope for sea storm.
proper furnace
at least tempest flourish is still a % boon lol
bright vine
Yeah the special knockback is nice honestly
bright vine
Oh thanatos
polar python
You have Than's keepsake?
polar python
You're not missing anything
bright vine
Oh cool
proper furnace
yeah Than keepsake isnt exactly the best
bright vine
About to vs the boss can take a pom or shop with 550 bucks shops better huh?
proven osprey
yeah
bright vine
Haha sold me a pom score
Tempest flourish special 70-98%
Ares aid
Razor shoals 15-21
Tempest?
polar python
So it'll go up from 70 to 98%
proper furnace
ig
polar python
Sounds fine but don't underestimate a good razor shoals
proper furnace
oh yeah forgot you had hyper delivery, so your special dmg isnt that bad
bright vine
Yup 1-2 shotting most enemies in elysium
proper furnace
clockets moment
bright vine
Cmon it has to be cluckets
polar python
Now I want to do a clockets run, brb
bright vine
Gl
I got the 2 hammer rolls first try after unlocking guns
Feelsgoodman
Tempted to take blood frenzy from ares judt for this fight, cant be any bloofy safer 😆
Otherwise theres blade dash and urge to kill
proper furnace
go what you like, you have mad dmg already
bright vine
Tbh urge to kill seems better perma 10% damage buff compared to 15% after reviving
I still need a dash too but idk kinda want tempest
Lmao i have chimera jerky too 😂
(40% special damage)
proper furnace
just remember to not shoot the rockets at other dude shield
bright vine
Reflects?
proper furnace
just blocks
bright vine
Oh ok just use guns then
proper furnace
other dude shield blocks everything
unless it has piercing
just need to dash behind him to shoot at his back or wait for him to turn his back to you after the spear throw
bright vine
Yep that was easy af
proper furnace
killed them already?
bright vine
Yup
bright vine
Oh really?
proper furnace
yup
bright vine
Another area you mean
proper furnace
4th area is the last
bright vine
Just have to pass cerberus for hades or is there moreM
proper furnace
just that
bright vine
Can buy dionesis or +25 hp or save for a pom through cerberus's area
proper furnace
whats your max hp?
bright vine
270
proper furnace
i dont think dyonisus can offer much rn
oh do you have priviliged status on your mirror skills?
bright vine
Probably not since i dunno what that is
proper furnace
the one that gives extra dmg to enemies with 2 curses afflicted at the same time
bright vine
Nah
proper furnace
eh probably not worth having another dionysus boon then
bright vine
So health or pom reckon 270is good enough? Im definitely watching a video on hades moveset if i make it there though
valid dagger
I usually decide on what to buy after I go through the tunnels
bright vine
Are the tunnels always the same options? 2 of your chosen gods, a pom, money and hp?
proper furnace
varies a little bit depending on things like missing an hermes boon/hammer or if you have god pool full but yeah
bright vine
Ill do poseidon hoping for the dash, money for the shop hp and pom if needed
proper furnace
sounds about right, poms on the dash are nice
bright vine
Poseidon pom(incresed difficulty) money then hp if needed, zeus is my other god
proper furnace
do you have static discharge from Zeus?
proper furnace
probably not needed cause clockets but doesnt hurt to get
bright vine
Ok cool
proper furnace
If i get the thing for cerby can i still do other tunnels?
yes but you only get the fountain 1 time
so often is not worth any chip damage you would get
bright vine
So i got a duo sea storm and tidal dash
40 damage per special doesnt seem that amazing though dash does that every hit
proper furnace
il say tidal dash? same reason+ no much global dmg to make it nice
also lack of static discharge
proper furnace
Just give him a hug and nuke him
bright vine
Frickin did it hell yes
proper furnace
congrats! now to #h1-victory-boasting
bright vine
I can get the rod of fishijg or upgrade the contractors desk which just adds more upgrades right?
proper furnace
yup, i think most of those are with diamonds too
bright vine
Fishing rods better then
sterile fiber
rod yeah, can fish up more diamonds indirectly
fallen spoke
any beginner friendly builds
sterile fiber
The Nyaanyaa guide pinned on new players
also doom on regular shield attack
and divine dash on everything
ocean shuttle
any tips for the rail? im trying to get the boutnies with it but its hard
i def prefer twin fists
sterile fiber
Zeus on regular attack, get Static Discharge, get Support Fire from Artemis
ocean shuttle
ohhhhh
i see
static discharge
that makes a lot of sense
wouldnt doom be good as well?
sterile fiber
ye. give it a pom level or 2
doom rail also good
drunken strike ok
give Hestia a try with Aphrodite on regular
bright vine
I just beat hades for the first time and have the frost god available what am i looking for from her? I got frost strike, frost flourish and crystal beam
sterile fiber
Hestia rail. Buffs the first attack damage so most of the time you fire that first shot and reload immediately
ocean shuttle
ah
sterile fiber
Crystal Clarity (duo with Artemis)
ocean shuttle
Hestia rail. Buffs the first attack damage so most of the time you fire that fir...
so mb use the aphrodite charm to garantee it?
sterile fiber
Get Crystal Beam, look for Glacial Glare, get another Demeter boon that unlocks Arctic Blast, profit
sterile fiber
so mb use the aphrodite charm to garantee it?
yes
ocean shuttle
ok
sterile fiber
Certain casts have duos
Demeter cast (Crystal Beam)
Demeter + Aphrodite (not great, needs effort to pay off)
Demeter + Artemis (great)
Ares cast (Slicing Shot)
Ares + Demeter (ok but not as good as)
Ares + Artemis (also great)
Poseidon Cast
Poseidon + Demeter (decent)
Poseidon + Ares (meme. nice on Talos)
sterile fiber
Dionysus cast duo with Demeter and Zeus also great
There are 2 types of hammers for Achilles - Flurry Jab, and Not Flurry Jab
take whatever that has prophecy
proper furnace
Whats your third hammer?
bright vine
Trash
proper furnace
Also quick spin can be fun ig
bright vine
Flaring spin
proper furnace
Ouch
sterile fiber
Flaring Spin, Spin-only
bright vine
I only ask about 2 when i know the third is trash
proper furnace
If you wanna take chances on seeing flurry jab 2nd hammer dont take quick spin ig
bright vine
Skewer it is
fallen spoke
any talos glove builds
proper furnace
Same as other fists (lightning strike/merciful end/etc)
Yoyo builds with tempest flourish and the wall slam boons is fun
Tho the boss dmg will be bad
fallen spoke
ok
bright vine
Uhh never had athena's call before is it worth taking over the dash? I'd guess not
long escarp
Over the dash? No probably not
sterile fiber
Athena call is great but dash better unless you want to save for Poseidon dash
proper furnace
Is good, either as panic button (lesser call) or to go nuts with full call for a while
But dash comfy anyways
long escarp
Especially since the call isn’t a prereq for DDs
Still, Athena’s aid is very good
Like if you already have a good dash, or need your dash for DPS
bright vine
With crystal beam glacial glare which one should i pom, one adds a second to the cast time other adds 8-10 (2) damage every 0.2 seconds
proper furnace
Always pom glaciar glare
bright vine
Quick math says crystal beam to me
bright vine
Really? Its 50 damage for beam, dont know mirror skills by name
proper furnace
+2 casts or regenerating one
bright vine
I have the 3 total casts
proper furnace
Ouch
bright vine
Thats maxed for me atm
proper furnace
Crystal beam shines with the regeneraring cause it last longer than it takes for other cast to regenerate (5 seconds vs cast regenerates in 3 seconds at max stygian soul)
So while one is on the field you can out other, and the differwnce gets more funny the higher lvl of glaciar glare
bright vine
So since i dont have regen should i take the damage or still try to level glare
proper furnace
Im not sure tbh, never used crystal with infernal soul
bright vine
Infernal soul?
proper furnace
+2 casts
proper furnace
Nyx at some point gives you alternative
Regenerating cast is the alternative to +2 casts
So you only start with 1
bright vine
Damage has to be better since i have to pickup my charges
Which god goes with ice? I have ice call and casting, have aphrodiety and zeus available
fallen spoke
demeter of course duh
long escarp
If you want a duo for your cast, Crystal clarity is best
From Artemis
In terms of your call, idk none really
proper furnace
use her keepsake in aspho probably
bright vine
I dont have her yet
bright vine
Gonna giver her nectar next time i see her
long escarp
Oh
bright vine
I rarely get artemis
long escarp
Why
bright vine
Ask the game
long escarp
I will
bright vine
I pick it up whenever i get her but she just doesnt show up
Might go aphro for weak on attack i guess
I have athena and ice so far if i get aphro i really need arty next
long escarp
Crystal beam Achilles?
long escarp
Eh your attack doesn’t really matter
But Artemis is better imo
Especially because Mirage and CClarity
bright vine
I can sell off a god if i need to
bright vine
Thats stupid
long escarp
Man someone should make a superdoc that explains all of this stuff because you’re not really gonna know it unless someone tells you
bright vine
So i get unlucky and cant sell the 1 skill from a good to hunt a different one? Theres no way to avoid it?
proper furnace
sometimes those runs just happens
long escarp
Sometimes you get a god you weren’t looking for
Actually almost all the time
That’s how it goes
proper furnace
(and you still can force her once you get the keepsake even with a full god pool)
long escarp
Also that, yes
bright vine
Sigh then who does aphro go with? And wait cant you turn down their offer and not take the god in the first place
proper furnace
aphro is for any high base dmg attack/special
long escarp
You can choose not to take a door
proper furnace
and her cast is really strong for hera bow
bright vine
Took ice cast but yeah