h1-builds-and-combat

[sonic niche]

Is having an extra dash better or having the bonus damage on near misses?

[worn solar]

dash

[unreal tree]

98% of the time yeah

Ruthless reflex is good on gilgamesh, and on zeus/beowulf (non charged shot) at super high heats

(and on normal fists if you're a maniac)

[sonic niche]

I see

Lmfao I did 0 heat fists on a doodoo build to complete a quest

I PR’d

Didn’t use a single revive (I had stubborn for the quest)

[unkempt igloo]

i did this and it was funny

got 101% dodge chance after dashing through an attack

[sonic niche]

Chad Arthur tank set: hella sturdy bonuses, max Arthur, and Aphro = tank everything

[sonic niche]

Lucifer piercing fire, flash fire, or greater fire?

Greater inferno?

[last dirge]

Hmm

Flash fire is great

Aphro and Athena

Sadly the duo isnt too good on Arthur

But like athena attack on Arthur is good

It has the right area for it

Athena special also works

But if you get Artemis...

You could potentially get Heart Rend and Deadly Reversal

I'm unsure how good Deadly Reversal is without Double Edge though

Arthur is slow but it might be able to get a crit on the next combo hit

I prefer dps builds on Arthur. Its tanky enough.

Like pressure points and mark + aphro attack + chaos boons on attack. Sturdy definitely can help stop your combos from being broken though

I think the real play is to take advantage of the combo memory it has

Do empty dashes to avoid damage

And continue your combo

[sonic niche]

Dunno how people like Poseidon, he doesn’t seem that strong

Against bosses the damage falls off a ton

[lucid oar]

Poseidon the god or Poseidon the aspect

Or Poseidon attack lucifer

[valid dagger]

Or Poseidon Flare Beowulf

Probably not that one

[lucid oar]

Nah that one’s rubbish

[sonic niche]

Poseidon boons

[lucid oar]

Poseidon has many strong boons

One of which is tidal dash

[sonic niche]

How about attack on Lucifer?

[lucid oar]

Good if you get sea storm

[sonic niche]

Still waiting for a duo

Got unlucky and was forced to take Dino

I have Pressure Points from Arty

Also made a mistake and got triple beam from hammer

Finally picked up Sea Storm

Now I’m able to hurt these mfs

Yeah no I screwed up pretty bad

2 revives down thanks to bad dodging and I’m at low hp

Pretty bad RNG overall this run

Died at Thesus logger

Pogger

[sonic niche]

Is it just me or is Lucifer kind of mediocre

[boreal prism]

It's not the strongest aspect, sure

I think it's mostly just wacky fun

[sonic niche]

Also got deleted again by Tartarus Charon

Yeah just doing it for the quest, I like eris far better

Eris does so much damage on a Zeus Aphro build with Smair

[jade geode]

What does everyone like on the fists for an aspect. I usually roll Demeter but I wonder if there’s a better one for higher heats.

What’s Smair? Smoldering air?

[sonic niche]

Smoldering air

If you combo it with double lightning and Jolt it deletes everything

And Zeus call

[jade geode]

Interesting. I love the Eris rail. I’m best with fists but Eris rail and Chiron bow are so fun.

[sonic niche]

I was laughing my ass off at the damage when I first used it against hades

Eris rail boosts the damage further

[jade geode]

If you get the hammer that tosses out extra specials to dash into, does that stack?

[unreal tree]

All damage is additive

[jade geode]

Meaning what?

[unreal tree]

(75% on a special, 45% with cluster because of the -30% damage from it)

And targeting system would boost it to 105%

[jade geode]

If I hit myself with multiple cluster bombs, does that stack or still just 45%

And does that then make cluster a non-ideal hammer?

[unreal tree]

No I meant the special damage itself

75% on a maxed out eris

Always

You get -30% less special damage on cluster, but its 5 special+33% chance for cluster rockets, which are absolutely overpowered by design, because there is a bug that doesnt apply the -30% special damage debuff if you have rocket too

Usually hammers for eris are rocket>cluster>triple>targeting>piercing fire/flurry fire>delta chamber(its good for high heat tho because you get invul frames when you dash strike with it)

[jade geode]

So you can get cluster and then rocket? I’ve never had that happen to me.

That would be silly.

[unreal tree]

Its either a 3/10 or a 33/100 chance depending if you get rocket or cluster first

6/12 to see either on the first hammer, then it diverges

Its quite rare

[jade geode]

So you clearly know your stuff. What’s your loadout for a high heat run?

Any weapon and aspect

[unreal tree]

On what wep?

A lot of stuff can work, also depends on the pact itself

[jade geode]

You have to clear 32 heat or I cut off your toe. What are you rolling with?

[unreal tree]

Beowulf

Flood flare+artemis attack

[jade geode]

I’m cracking up over here. Dunno where cutting off a toe came from.

[unreal tree]

Try to get mirage shot, +1 cast or chaos cast damage

Keepsakes would be pos-arti(to force mirage, if you already have it maybe take purse, tooth or anything else really

-acorn-acorn

First pin in #h1-high-heat-strategies is also great

[jade geode]

Interesting. I use the Zeus shield. Haven’t messed with Beowulf yet. Maybe I’ll pump some TB into that.

[unreal tree]

Yeah zeus also a great option

[jade geode]

It’s so slow though

[unreal tree]

You can do zeus special-jolted+zeus legendary if you're lucky, or merciful end(doom on special or attack work)

[unreal tree]

Very hard to control yeah

[jade geode]

Great for Styx to keep distanced from poison.

[unreal tree]

If you get charged shot hammer maybe force artemis or Aphrodite for their attacks, and just rely on that

Its far more comfy

[jade geode]

I only have it at level 3 as well so that doesn’t help

[cunning urchin]

Lv.3 Zeus Aspect should be decent enough. But if you want it at Lv.5, 9 Titan Blood isn't too hard to come by if you just do some quick bounties on any weapon.

[sonic niche]

Heck yes I got early sea storm

[jade geode]

Yeah. I have been working on getting all the hidden aspects which took most of my tb.

[sonic niche]

And yeah I really don’t like Lucifer, it feels really weak

I also don’t like RNG dependent aspects in general

Eris is strong no matter how lucky you get

GY is also another aspect I dislike for the same reasons as Lucifer but I might just be bad

Speaking of bad RNG, I only got Aphro and Ares at Stux

Styx

I’m missing double lightning, jolted, and Zeus call

[worn solar]

they both pretty hammer dependent

[sonic niche]

Yeah, I don’t like that at all, a build shouldn’t have to rely on hammers to get good

[worn solar]

big brain fa zeus strats

[sonic niche]

I’ve been trying Zeus but I got Aphro and Ares at Styd

[oblique sierra]

My fav is when I go first a zeus build and he drops literally once

Had that happen before

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912425963814531092/Hades_11_22_2021_11_34_36_AM.png this is why you use fated authority strats and get zeus 6-8 times

its massive brain trust me

[sonic niche]

Happened to me just now

I died at 15% HP Hades 2

Lucifer is bad

[oblique sierra]

Feels bad

[sonic niche]

If I need to RNG my way to an OP build, then I can do it easier on an aspect that doesn’t require RNG to be decent

Sorry I’m just sort of pissed, I did the most I could with a half assed build as Zeus stopped showing up

[oblique sierra]

Wine bean was kinda fun on Lucifer

[cunning urchin]

Lucifer Aspect doesn't really have any bad hammers. Guan Yu has at least three great hammers + Massive Spin. Odds of not getting any good Guan Yu hammers are pretty low.

[sonic niche]

Lucifer just seems…weak?

It got decent after I got Sea Storm but my DPS ranked as I couldn’t find any Zeus boons

Oh I got the Charon quest

Gonna use Eris against him

I still have a lot of trouble with Tartarus Charon

And Charon in general probably

[cunning urchin]

I mean you did a meme build on it that's awful until you get Sea Storm.

[sonic niche]

What’s a good build on Lucifer?

I guess I chose a bad one

[cunning urchin]

It's not a bad build exactly, it just sucks until Sea Storm.

[sonic niche]

Yeah

Let me run a serious build

What’s the ranking on the hammers for Lucifer? I’m gonna go for an Ares-Demeter build

Demeter attack, Ares special

[oblique sierra]

Do dio lol

[sonic niche]

Dio attack?

I thought Demeter was better because you can pump

[oblique sierra]

Might be better

Haven't tried, I did dio attack, not sure if it's good high heat but was so easy to spread hangover

[cunning urchin]

The tried-and-true builds are pretty much the same builds you'd run on Eris.

[oblique sierra]

Then went for his duo boons

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash with a decent % Special or Drunken Strike.

[sonic niche]

In other words anything that works on Eris will be fine on Lucifer

That’s helpful ty

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[sonic niche]

Wait dang the startup time on the laser is reduced with flash fire

I can get behind this

[cunning urchin]

I like Heartbreak Strike start to actually focus on the ramp, which can work. It's good for boss damage but focusing on the ramping doesn't really work well against multiple enemies, so you'll be relying a lot on your Special and maybe Dash for that.

[sonic niche]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

But you can get Smair easily with Heartbreak Strike start, so that's always fun.

And Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish for Heart Rend can also be fun.

[sonic niche]

How’s Demeter-Zeus

[cunning urchin]

Eh... probably not amazing.

[sonic niche]

Cold Fusion

Oh okay

With Zeus special and Cold Fusion?

Wait Demeter Ares duo is wack

Hmm

[cunning urchin]

I'd rather do Lightning Strike + Frost Flourish, but at that point you don't really need Cold Fusion.

Divine Flourish is great on Lucifer Aspect.

Since your bombs will just stay and deflect everything.

[sonic niche]

Demeter seems to not have any good duos

[sonic niche]

Good point

Dino Ares seems pretty good

[cunning urchin]

Cold Fusion can be great, just not so much on Rail.

Blizzard Shot and Ice Wine can both be pretty good.

Crystal Clarity can win the game for you without you needing to really do anything, Cold Embrace can do some decent work in melee builds.

Freezing Vortex... exists.

[sonic niche]

I see

How is Ares Athena for Lucifer?

[cunning urchin]

I dunno what you wanna do with Lord Ares on the aspect tbh.

I guess Blade Dash as a worse Tidal Dash?

[sonic niche]

Lol

Oh Dino Aphro seems pretty good

Aphro special

[cunning urchin]

Any build that includes Lady Aphrodite is perfectly perfect in every way.

[sonic niche]

[cunning urchin]

I recommend starting all of your runs with the .

[sonic niche]

[cunning urchin]

That's what I do, and Lady Aphrodite told me that she loves me, so m evidently winning in life.

All thanks to the .

[oblique sierra]

Lady Aphrodite is an exhibitionist which isn't very lady like

[sonic niche]

Gonna fight Tart Charon with Lucifer, fear

[cunning urchin]

You can tell my sacred crocodiles all about your opinions on that when my servants feed you to them.

[sonic niche]

[cunning urchin]

No fear, only win.

[sonic niche]

Pray

[cunning urchin]

Fear is for the weak.

[sonic niche]

GOT HIM

I barely lived

And died at Alecto

Ffs

Charon throwing you into a hostile room is actually toxic

[cunning urchin]

Well.

You stole his lunch money.

[sonic niche]

It was right before the boss room so I entered with 40 HP 🙂

I had her down to 15%

Was EM1 Alecto too rip

[cunning urchin]

Well, you got some good practice out of it.

[sonic niche]

Ye

[foggy cosmos]

I've been struggling with crush shot hera today

probably because of the heat

mainly the em3 fight

[last dirge]

Delta does that with Eris or Rail in general?

Oops. Post below that.

[proper furnace]

in general

[sterile fiber]

@cunning urchin can I submit another monthly challenge run if I already have one submission

[cunning urchin]

For what challenge?

[sterile fiber]

A Very Zaggy Christmas
Finally got all 10 gods

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[sonic niche]

Lucifer got me a new record

In the longest run I’ve had so far 🙂

[solemn pond]

Best boons for Lucifer aspect?

Using frost strike now and it's nice but is Zeus good too?

Does it trigger super fast?

[boreal prism]

Zeus strike good on all guns (except maybe hestia)

If you wanna activate an effect really fast try pos strike hehe

[steel gorge]

what are some good builds for beowulf

[long escarp]

Passion Flare or Flood Flare

Mirage Shot

Deadly Strike is great and a prerequisite for Mirage

Mirage Shot is bugged with Beo so the copy actually does 100% damage instead of 30%

Get a cast boon as soon as possible so you can put as many poms on it as you can. They have excellent pom scaling

[steel gorge]

👍

thanks

[last dirge]

I'm doing an Arthur special build and it's better than I thought

Double nova. I didnt get a special hammer on hammer 2

And just aphro + pp and mark, and epic swift flourish

[sonic niche]

Bruh Zeus-Aphro with cluster and rocket bombs deleted everything

Theseus and Hades went down in less than a min

Can’t use a revive if they’re already dead

Theseus and Asterius died in <30sec from full HP

No smair

Watching the bombs clap 1/16 of Hades’ HP was truly a sight to behold

Was my first sub 20 run

[long escarp]

Clockets shred

[sonic niche]

Bro these death messages after Zag finishes his run are hilarious

“Died to snek” “died to some random flower”

“We forgot to come up with an excuse, Styx just wanted to vibe that day”

[valid dagger]

Lol

[spice brook]

"death came at him really quickly, unlike other possible methods of dying. we just don't know how it happened"

[foggy cosmos]

i miss the peaceful on the coast music

when dying

[solemn pond]

I wish we could see the garden still

I hope the carrots are okay

[valid dagger]

probably dead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/919869126850269184/C570F83B-C3F5-4C22-99F1-6AE711667189.gif

[cunning urchin]

They've grown up to be snowmen and snowwomen.

That's how carrots work.

[long escarp]

Interesting

You learn something new every day

[sterile fiber]

Persephone cast her Charm of Plot Convenience so they're fine

also in some endings Zag gets to do some upkeep

[keen monolith]

Artemis cluster rockets are even better, you get some crazy big crits

[last dirge]

First time I did it, it was sea storm clockets

Poseidon has really good special damage

[sonic niche]

interesting

[civic barn]

can i ask for some help with checking my maths?

https://imgur.com/xnEQx6b

is my special doing 40*(1 +.9 + .45 + .6 + 1) = 158 per hit here?

so it'd be at least 158*2 for each rush kick special and at most 158 *2 *12 *3 if every hit of the special crits?

[worn solar]

err where's the 12 coming from?

[civic barn]

demeter aspect

when you charge it

[worn solar]

it only adds 5 hits

[civic barn]

it is 12 right? oh oops

that's why i needed help :V i don't know why i thought it was 12!

[worn solar]

like youre calculating that there would be 24 special hits

[civic barn]

thanks; is there anything else that looks weird?

[worn solar]

but thered only be 7

6 for a dash upper

[civic barn]

does dash upper add a hit?

[worn solar]

actually not sure for rush kick. like normal fists standing upper is 2 and dash upper is 1. rushkick might be 2 base so 7 hits eitherway

[civic barn]

it doesn't replicate the second hit on rush kick huh

[worn solar]

with rush kick problem is your hitbox is moving quite a bit so not all the extra demeter hits connect

[civic barn]

well the at most is just theoretical; i think from what I can tell it was like doing around 800 most of the time

so that makes more sense; would it be 158*3 *(2+5) = 1580 then?

[worn solar]

probably

[civic barn]

thanks!

[worn solar]

err actually isnt 1580 158* (3+7)

158 times 21 is like 3000+

[civic barn]

..you're right and I cannot maths 🙂

thanks again

i should get a cup of tea

[last dirge]

A crit would do 354 twice if crit. Dash upper should do 474 in an area on crit.

3540 dmg if all crit?

Or is it 6 hits not 5 total

Is it possible? Maybe with Deadly Reversal

Pressure Points and DR and Deadly Flourish, get around 50% crit, Mark wont really help except for the 1st one

[civic barn]

I had deadly reversal and splitting headache on top of deadly flourish, so the crit proc was sorta okay

only ran into a 2% PP so i ended up picking mark 😦

[bronze marten]

Mark is pretty helpful ngl, the crit chance stacks so if DR is up on a marked target youre nearly guaranteed the critical

[cunning urchin]

Rush Kick Dash-Special is one hit.

[errant acorn]

What is Rush Kick even for?

The only use I could see for it would be on Demeter if you wanted to apply one effect really fast, the extra hits would mean you could get eight stacks of Chill or something.

[long escarp]

I don’t think rush kick is more hits

It’s also literally slower

It’s good for closing distances

But yeah, generally it’s just not very good in my experience

[errant acorn]

It isn't more hits? I could have sworn.

Oh well.

[unreal tree]

it isnt

its just bad outside of gilgamesh

Probably the worst fists hammer after heavy knuckle

[errant acorn]

Breaching Cross + Explosive Upper is good enough on Demeter aspect that I don't use anything else unless I have to

[unreal tree]

kinetic launcher is also awesome

[long escarp]

Long knuckle is good too

Not amazing though

[errant acorn]

Kinetic Launcher is a ton of fun

[long escarp]

Generally beside a few, fist hammers are pretty lackluster

[unreal tree]

nah long knuckle is huge, just not that much damage increase

the range is really nice

[pliant dirge]

Long + Breaching

[long escarp]

That’s not really a combo

Long knuckle doesn’t apply to dash strikes

[unreal tree]

breaching>explosive>kinetic>long>sturdy hammer>rolling knuckle>else

[long escarp]

Pretty much

Though I didn’t know kinetic was actually that good. What makes it so good?

[unreal tree]

huge range, if you have merciful end with only attack+special you can use the special to instantly proc ME

there is no delay like the normal dash upper

so you would just apply doom then immediately use kinetic

https://youtu.be/hViWbB-5_0w?t=611 this lernie fight demonstrates it pretty well

(timestamped)

[long escarp]

Oh cool

Is that more of a speedrun thing or is it also amazing for other contexts?

[unreal tree]

not sure

I just think its good

[proper furnace]

is comfy

[last dirge]

Rush kick is just fun I guess idk

I think even on special only builds, kinetic will be better

Its piercing too right?

[civic barn]

stack as in +20 (flourish) + 20 (DR) + 30 (mark)? I thought it was multiplicative

[bronze marten]

im not positive, but i am sure that beacons are a huge chunk of crit

damn it wrong game again

hunters mark

[unreal tree]

its additive

[civic barn]

i run rush kick on demeter because the jump to target reduces down time and it's less thinking for me; I kind of treat hades as my reflex exercise game nowadays and to just farm darkness. It's sorta comfy for me.

oh hm 🤔

good to know (hopefully i remember)

[versed thorn]

soooooo, I threw a fit over losing to a heat 3 run using shield of chaos

with aspect of zeus

primarily because of how wreckless I was in that run

[long escarp]

You don’t have to spoiler tag anything in this channel

[versed thorn]

got it

anyway, I was using Posiden as a way to get big use out of the bull dash and zeus for the special

[cunning urchin]

Poseidon on Attack?

Probably not the best idea.

He has the worst % bonus on Attack, and knocking enemies away will make it harder to keep your Special on them.

Thunder Flourish is great, though.

You can make Tempest Strike work well, but it's not easy, and Zeus Aspect is already a complex aspect that requires solid shield fundamentals on top of managing your Special to get the most out of it.

[last dirge]

Poseidon attack is rarely ever good because of its low damage and knockback

[cunning urchin]

Right. He shines in other areas.

[last dirge]

Exceptions are usually exploiting something. Like it can work on Lucifer attack if you get sea storm

But usually? Not a good boon

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike will serve you much better on Zeus Aspect.

[last dirge]

Yeah. His special has aphro dmg (almost?)

[long escarp]

Tempest Strike is probably the worst attack boon for nearly every single weapon

[last dirge]

Though it wont do great on zeus

[cunning urchin]

And even then, it's garbage until you actually get Sea Storm.

[last dirge]

I've tried

Yeah

That's the case with Poseidon a lot

Rama special with poseidon? Horrible

Sea storm? Decent

[cunning urchin]

Ew.

[last dirge]

Its funny

[worn solar]

i may or may not be doing a seastorm special rama run rn

[last dirge]

Enemies just get beat back

Though it should always do less damage than just thunder flourish

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/920805845154033684/902180197107916870.png

[cunning urchin]

Tempest Flourish is only good on Chiron, and it can be alright on Guan Yu and Charged Flight Beowulf.

[last dirge]

I havent done it in a while. Sea storm gy any good?

Thunder strike tempest flourish

[cunning urchin]

Not for Sea Storm, just for the high % damage on Charged Skewer if you didn't get Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish for some reason.

[last dirge]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

Can make it work on other things, but it's always gonna be a worse Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish with a largely gimmicky knockback.

[last dirge]

You wouldnt even bother with SS unless you had tidal dash too

[cunning urchin]

Which is fine, though. His Dash and Call are busted enough as is.

[worn solar]

kinda bruh moment when you have both gods legacy and nectar then no seastorm from a poseidon boon

[last dirge]

Lol

It's why I havent played hades in a while

[worn solar]

and then zeus keepsake but no seastorm from him either

[last dirge]

I had an Arthur special run

[worn solar]

well got rupture and clouded judgement

kinda cool

[last dirge]

Surprisingly good since I got epic swift flourish

Then no good 2nd hammer

Double nova start

[cunning urchin]

Odds aren't amazing if Razor Shoals is still in the pool and you have open priority slots.

[last dirge]

Ok. Thats fine. But then I take an anvil and it removes double nova and I quit wrong

I need a break from randomization

[worn solar]

when first duo is is unshakable mettle

well it from athena but no dd

[cunning urchin]

Well, odds weren't really in your favor. Best to just finish the run and try again lol.

[last dirge]

Arthur special spam does surprisingly well with double nova

And like aphro on special

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

Hammers aren't really something you can plan around too much, just gotta expect you'll have to do a few runs to get what you want.

[last dirge]

I was trying my luck. It's fine.

[worn solar]

wait duos dont override t2 priority

[last dirge]

I still have the starting double nova seed

Which is what I really need

Then just supernova tbh

But yeah losing epic swift flourish hurts

That really helps

[cunning urchin]

Priority boons and t2 status curses are added before duo/legendary rolls, yeah.

[last dirge]

I'm probably going smair with it

[worn solar]

ic

core boons count for priority too right

[cunning urchin]

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[worn solar]

thx

[cunning urchin]

Except for Call.

[lone jetty]

It’s basically instant if you’re up close, it’s ranged in a pinch (like a pesky witch over lava) which the fists thoroughly lack, it sort of accelerates like Phalanx shot which baddies seem to love walking into if you miss, and the base damage of your special going to 50 is a big deal. Like on Demeter 6x50 is better than the base 7x35 or 6x40 (dash upper). It also has a power shot which is fun.

Good hammer. Not Breaching or Explosive Upper good, but real good.

[cunning urchin]

7x30*

[lone jetty]

Whoops yup

Ty ty

[last dirge]

Breaching + Hide Breaker is my favorite silly niche combo

Trying to make Gilgamesh work

[cunning urchin]

I mean Gilgamesh works, just not as good as other aspects.

[bronze marten]

u no like force choking people with Talos?

it's kind of a meme, but it's not bad lol

[last dirge]

The damage falls off fast

Because you cant boost it with most special hammers

Can you even get explosive upper or anything like that?

[bronze marten]

Not sure

It’s not something I’d take to 32 heat on my first try but it’s fun throwing dudes around. Breaking wave and second wave become amazing

then you got nothin for dad but

[shell sleet]

smh you just didnt have a yarn

[long escarp]

I found it to be decent for exploding launcher zag/hades spear. But probably not as good as Artemis

[cunning urchin]

That's just Guan Yu with extra steps.

[long escarp]

A lot faster though

[unreal tree]

And a lot weaker too

[valid dagger]

[cunning urchin]

@golden ruin the Cosmic Egg doesn't do anything in the Temple of Styx because you can't find Chaos Gates there.

[rough chasm]

I had wondered about this, thanks.

[oblique sierra]

What's a good cast for hero speed run, arpho?

[proper furnace]

Hera? Yeah crush shot is best cast

[cunning urchin]

#h1-discussion message

[cerulean musk]

best aspect to use/stack Hangover effectively?

[proper furnace]

Chiron is a comon choice due to easy weak through attack then special hangover, fists can do attack + aphro dash
I like eris cause global dmg

[cunning urchin]

I don't think Drunken Strike on Malphon is good except on Talos with Trippy Flare.

[proven osprey]

It works

needs to invest poms so it's just doom but worse

but purple is cool

[sterile fiber]

Does Charm disrupt boss patterns? Had Uhealthy Fixation with Lernie and it kept doing the special attack in the 3rd phase and never did the head slam

[proven osprey]

yes

On Hades it makes him repeat the previous attack

tbh I'm not sure about other bosses

Lernie is super weird sometimes

[cunning urchin]

Except Doom shares the best single-target damage while Drunken Strike has the worst on Malphon.

[sterile fiber]

Man if only Charmed blue crystals gave you a shield

[proven osprey]

Attack options on Malphon are a bit sad yeah

It's like Zag sword but a bit better. Try to get some flat damage here and there

[long escarp]

Yes it breaks their AI. It’s especially dangerous on Hades because he can do some really weird movement and spin with no telegraph

[cunning urchin]

It's not really dangerous if you know what's coming.

[long escarp]

That’s the issue, you can’t always know what’s coming. Because he’ll literally throw out attacks with no windup sometimes

[cunning elm]

I'm confused at the above. Hangover on fists seems plenty good to me every time I use it -- it's real fast. Still too slow for others?

[valid dagger]

It’s good enough

[cunning elm]

I wanted to drop by to say PSA you can put doom on a spear and it's fun, don't let your dreams be dreams

[valid dagger]

Just not as good as others, it also depends on what you’re doing

[cunning elm]

It gets all the hangover stacks on an enemy in one "clip". That's all I could ask of it

[long escarp]

It’s just not as good as Zeus, especially with Jolted.

[cunning urchin]

It's decent enough against multiple enemies but the single-target damage is pretty sad.

[terse thistle]

I like doom fist plus dire misfortune

[long escarp]

Dire misfortune doesn’t do anything.

[cunning urchin]

?

Dire Misfortune is pretty good until you get Merciful End, anyway.

[last dirge]

Dire misfortune works on fast application

It may not be worth getting always but on fists, maybe?

[long escarp]

Dire Misfortune does so little that it’s embarrassing

Definitely one of the worst boons in the entire game

[last dirge]

But there are exceptions to that

[long escarp]

Like what? Doom Lucifer?

[brazen mulch]

Can someone give me some tips for stygius with Poseidon's aspect

Which is the best hammer and boons (I've tried Poseidon's cast and Athena's cast so far)

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a general guide for Cast builds that might help. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[brazen mulch]

wow thank you so much

That's a lot to read about

❤️

[worn solar]

i think theres a doom special rama 60 heat or something

[long escarp]

It uses dire misfortune?

And dire misfortune actually does something?

Because I use doom special Rama but not with DM

Because DM doesn’t work

[worn solar]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ff4y1g7uX

[cunning urchin]

Of course it works.

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/902492417335377940/unknown.png

[long escarp]

It does what it says it does. But it doesn’t actually do an even remotely decent amount of damage

[cunning urchin]

Okay.

[long escarp]

Wtf?

No attack boon Rama? Why

[worn solar]

well 7 arrows means 84 extra base doom dmg

[long escarp]

I guess that’s a situation where it might be good.

[cunning urchin]

Because they didn't get an Attack boon, evidently.

[worn solar]

because damue did it

[long escarp]

But who (other than this person apparently) would run 60 heat Rama and not reset for an attack boon?

[worn solar]

who does 60 heat to begin with

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/902492411937304606/unknown.png

he also did this

only a bit faster

[cunning urchin]

Not @long escarp.

[terse thistle]

And max heat is 63 iirc

[long escarp]

64

[terse thistle]

Dang I was off by one google lied to me

[worn solar]

hell mode and non hell mode have a difference of 1 heat

[terse thistle]

Wow to think one mode and one heat makes all the difference

Thunder fists ain’t bad today from a casual run. Jolted is too fun

[shell sleet]

@cursive walrus playable is an understatement, I found 40 heat on luci to be much easier than even weapons like rama and Achilles

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Lucifer is pretty good at those heats.

[shell sleet]

triple bomb with big special multiplier kinda strong

[cunning urchin]

Achilles 40 is pretty tough if you're not going for a Cast build to carry you like Crystal Clarity.

[cunning urchin]

Yep. Just kinda skips bosses lol.

Even if you focus on the ramp Attack with something like Heartbreak Strike, the boss damage is really good.

[shell sleet]

Achilles very fast bit I've always had the problem of dying with it

[cunning urchin]

It's easy to get carried away and be too agressive.

[proven jackal]

I BEAT THESEUS

Oh man, I love this run's build so much!!

Imma list the boons

D. Strike
Heart Flourish
Slic Shot
Thunder Dash
Aphrodite's Aid
Piercing Wave
Diff League
Curse of Vengeance
Hyper Sprint
Impending Doom
Dash Nova
Wave of Dispair
Urge to Kill
Hunter Instinct

I love the Wave and Dash upgrades for Stygius so much!

[cunning urchin]

You can share your victory screen in #h1-victory-boasting for that.

[proven jackal]

Oh, I just wanted to share my build actually

I think that was my favorite out of my 30+ attempts

[sterile fiber]

from description:

during the Deadly Strike 60 run I didn't know (ocaml) had a 15 minute run, so I didn't go out of my way for speed

[last dirge]

DM on rama special can do like 5k doom crits

That requires more work than needed usually but it does matter on Hades

I think that and maybe Lucifer are the cases where it works

Lucifer eh, versus bosses

Usually you arent unloading a clip into one enemy

The 3 or 4 ammo you spend on an enemy, usually to trigger the special, wont add enough damage from DM

[proven osprey]

Oh come on dude lmao

We were talking about the best boon in the game

Well let me tell you that Malphon wants curse of agony and DM

It does a lot

[errant acorn]

Is Mistral Dash the worst dash?

[proven osprey]

Let's say it's the worst among the best options on Malphon (Curse of agony, lightning strike, and hangover) because it's slow and takes a lot of poms to have decent damage against bosses. So you have to rely on other stuff such as a damage dash, support fire and a call.
The other % boons are not worth mentioning besides heavy knuckle

[proven osprey]

Yeah probably

[errant acorn]

I mean. Not even I use it and I'm a simp for Demeter.

[long escarp]

Yeah the others have some utility but mistral is just really bad

[proven osprey]

Base damage is very low with a non existent pom scaling. If it was an aoe like passion or tidal dash, it could be useful but applying chill with it is painful

[long escarp]

Actually where is Thunder Dash good? I think it’s better than Mistral but is it second worst?

[errant acorn]

Eh.

[proven osprey]

It's good because Zeus

[errant acorn]

At least Thunder Dash does a thing.

[proven osprey]

Alone it's trash

[long escarp]

Hard to imagine that Thunder is ever better than drunken or blade dash

I guess Jolted

[errant acorn]

You can combine it with other Zeus boons.

[long escarp]

Then you’ve got a ton of damage

[long escarp]

Well, just jolted. And I guess splitting but you only go for that if you have other Zeus boons. Double strike and bigger bolts aren’t gonna do a whole lot.

[errant acorn]

Yeah, but it isn't totally useless on those grounds alone.

It's better to go for literally anything else most of the time. I can't think of a situation where it would be the most useful of three offered Zeus boons.

[proven osprey]

It's still an aoe so better than demeter

[errant acorn]

You'd think that mistral would have a big wide area of attack.

It looks like it should.

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Dash pom scaling is actually decent.

[errant acorn]

It even leaves a trail.

I don't know what the developers were even trying to do.

[long escarp]

Yeah all the other dashes are at least decent

[proven osprey]

Too bad the base damage is 10 lmao

[errant acorn]

As the #1 Demeter simp, I feel like I should try to figure out what it's for and find a use for it.

Okay, okay, hear me out.

[long escarp]

I’m generally not too happy to have them because divine and tidal are so good, but at high heat I’m not gonna complain about a blade dash or a drunken dash, especially with DC2

[errant acorn]

If you had a weapon with a wide dash strike, right.

And you wanted Killing Freeze and Arctic Blast to be the core of your build.

Maybe having Mistral Dash there would mean you get more stacks on more enemies slightly faster.

[long escarp]

Download the ponywarrior mod that buffed it

[errant acorn]

So like if you were running Zag Spear

With Serrated Point.

And Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze and Frost Strike.

[proven osprey]

I don't think you ever want to have artic blast as the core of your build

[errant acorn]

Maybe. Maybe having Mistral Dash there would help a little bit.

[shell sleet]

just avoid arctic blast, it barely does anything unless you have a weapon that applies chill very fast

killing freeze will always do a lot more

and it doesnt remove chill

[errant acorn]

Look, I'm someone who's only ever finished a run with 15 heat once, trying to think of a tiny niche use for one of the worst boons in the game because I think Demeter is hot.

[proven osprey]

I'd avoid it even with a weapon that applies it fast

The chill removal is a death wish at high heat

Like imagine getting used to the rythm of a chilled dad

[errant acorn]

I'm not saying anyone should.

[shell sleet]

yeah arctic blast is just a pretty bad boon

[proven osprey]

Then you pop artic blast and eat what seems to be a supersonic sweep

[errant acorn]

Eh. If you already have Glacial Glare and Crystal Clarity then Arctic Blast is okay.

[proven osprey]

For a solid 80 damage

[errant acorn]

Because that chill isn't staying off for long.

[proven osprey]

Yeah, with Achilles it's acceptable

But that's about it

[errant acorn]

Yeah. That's all I use it for.

Sometimes I use it with Demeter aspect on low heat if I'm feeling saucy

If I get it quickly enough.

Idk though, I'd rather they just stay cold and slow.

[unreal tree]

80 damage is kinda pitiful

If you're running demeter killing freeze is way better than arctic blast

[errant acorn]

Yes, I agree.

I'm just saying that in this one niche it's... fine, I guess.

[unreal tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/860556612011819018/nectar.png

[shell sleet]

zopium

wait ange1 no more nitro?

[errant acorn]

Ugh, pepe memes in this year of our lord two thousand and twenty-one. Grody. Anyways.

Does anyone else use Artemis dash on Nemesis if you already have Double Edge?

[unreal tree]

Yeah

[unreal tree]

Yes

Its well worth it

[errant acorn]

I love Nemesis with Double Edge, lol

[unreal tree]

Arti attack-aphrodite special and arti dash is how crit build should look like

+heart rend and smoldering eventually

[errant acorn]

And... Zeus call, I guess?

[unreal tree]

Crit build becomes kinda lame without it though

[unreal tree]

Yep

Which is why merciful end is usually better, since you dont have to rely on the hammer RNG

[errant acorn]

Ares special I guess?

[shell sleet]

rip the 4 bouldy emotes

[unreal tree]

Ares attack

And athena dash+special

[errant acorn]

Gotcha.

What build do you personally use for Demeter fists?

[unreal tree]

Also merciful end

Ares attack

[errant acorn]

I have this very specific set of boons I go for but I'm honestly worried I'm being dumb about it

[unreal tree]

Or zeus attack+jolted+tidal dash

[errant acorn]

I use Demeter attack/call, Athena dash/special, Artemis cast. Sometimes Artemis call/Demeter special instead.

Killing Freeze, Ravenous Will, Deadly Reversal, expose, mark, support fire.

Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper or Kinetic Launcher. Whichever comes first.

Winter Harvest if I can get it.

Do the odds of getting a legendary change as you get more bond with the gods or not?

[long escarp]

No

[errant acorn]

Damn.

[long escarp]

I don’t think frost strike is first choice for a single aspect in any context. But I might be wrong

[errant acorn]

I just like it.

[sour dove]

hey uh quick question

how does sisyphus's companion targeting system work

cause previously it was aiming at where the enemies were

now its aiming at where zag last was

...and sometimes its somewhere between where they were and where i was

[proven osprey]

If it's similar to meg's companion (it should), it will target your enemies in a line ahead of you. If there's no enemy, it will aim at Zag's feet

[sour dove]

i see

does it count as "no enemy" if say lernie's immunity is up?

or if asterius is charging around and theseus is joyriding around the arena

[valid dagger]

Yes

If an enemy hasn’t fully spawned or has an invincibility bubble the companion doesn’t target them automatically

[sour dove]

i see, thanks

[proven osprey]

Absolutely yeah

[pliant dirge]

Managed to get the speedrun mod working :D way too happy with that, even though there are clear instructions I am dumb so it took a while

[valid dagger]

pog

Now the sub7s will start rolling

[winter vortex]

Imagine being able to mod the game

Nintendo switch gang here

[pliant dirge]

haha no

only thing I want to know if I have to run the python script each time if I turn off my pc

[valid dagger]

You dont

Assuming you're referring to mod importer

[pliant dirge]

oh aight

cool <3

[pliant dirge]

aaaAAAA took the wrong tunnel, ended up taking like 45 seconds in a non-mini boss tunnel... sadge. Could've been sub 9, insanely nice build though

[proven jackal]

Is it just my Tales addled brain or is the Piercing Wave upgrade to Stygius literally just Demon Fang?

I dunno but I love it for it

[undone heath]

Is Chiron with Ares special doom stacking and Merciful End a thing?

[sterile fiber]

it does work

more stonks if the enemies bunch up and you hit a few of them with ME at once

since the regular attack pierces

[proven osprey]

it can exist

but I would not go for it

Doom and dire misfortune is funnier

[sterile fiber]

apparently if you're fast enough you can proc ME twice: once with DDash and once with DStrike

but Doom and Dire Misfortune and ME

[unreal tree]

dire misfortune the most overrated boon of all time

[proven osprey]

would say the opposite

nobody uses it

[long escarp]

Nobody uses it and still even less people should be

[pliant dirge]

Its funny for oogabooga big doomstack, but thats about it

[proven osprey]

it's a rather good boon when your options are limited

like fist and DM

it's a 2 boons build

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Dire Misfortune is underrated.

Well, underrated by the more experienced players and overrated by newer players.

[cerulean musk]

any rare fun builds?

[cunning urchin]

Talos with Blizzard Shot.

Keep pulling enemies into your shards.

[cerulean musk]

any other boons required ?

[cunning urchin]

Not necessarily, but Deadly Strike for Mirage Shot is great.

[supple sequoia]

heroic rarity divine strike or epic rarity deadly strike?

[long escarp]

Deadly strike is always gonna be better damage

[proven osprey]

Which aspect?

[oblique sierra]

How do people generally build Hades spear? I mostly just wanted to do a single run with it to see what dad says

[valid dagger]

Exploding Launcher with Artemis on the special

And pray for Charged Skewer second hammer

Or cope for quick spin

[oblique sierra]

that's the one hammer I haven't got yet for my prophecy haha

[supple sequoia]

idk what aspect is, considering i just got the game on the 14th

[long escarp]

Zap or ME. Or if it’s Gil then just tidal

[proven jackal]

Yo, how viable does a damage reduction/revenge damage side stuff sound?

Like, Bronze Skin-Different League-Curse of Vengeance-Wave of Dispair

[stone harbor]

It's a meme build but you can do it

[pliant dirge]

How does one do Elysium on KBM Hera. Tartarus is consistent sub 3 and Asphodel sub 5, but Elysium is like... ~8:10 at best

[valid dagger]

Are you doing flurry

[pliant dirge]

I've tried flurry, triple, twin

Flurry is my personal worst one to use without Recall

[valid dagger]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

Have you read this?

[pliant dirge]

Fairly certain I did

[valid dagger]

It is tough

Gonna need more practice probably, and pray for skips, maybe you could improve your Aspho a bit more too

If you just want Sub10 I guess sub5 isnt too bad

[pliant dirge]

Also uh is there a way to influence the 2nd hammer? Like... I see a lot of Clocket victories with the Rail and idk how y'all get Cluster consistently

[cunning urchin]

They don't.

[valid dagger]

Well its just victories

[pliant dirge]

And I'm sorry for asking this many questions, just kinda new to mods ^^

[cunning urchin]

They just reset the runs that don't get those kinda builds.

[pliant dirge]

Fair enough I guess, thanks

[cunning urchin]

Victory screens aren't your average run.

[valid dagger]

You can quick reset atleast

[pliant dirge]

Yep

[last dirge]

You can also manipulate stuff slightly

For example cluster first makes rocket slightly more likely

It blocks triple

Victory screens are biased though yeah

[terse thistle]

curse of drowning looks cool but it kinda confuse me how that works...

[jade echo]

Which part of it confuses you?

Other than Ares and Poseidon dashes, which dashes are worth holding out for if you're doing a run without god keepsakes?

[terse thistle]

i mean like it radiates a pulse so when does things kick in? am i just right next to them for the doom effects to activate?

[jade echo]

The duo doesn't give you doom effects, it just takes your current cast and radiates it around you 3 times instead of shooting out

[terse thistle]

dang, ty for the explaination. i wish it had doom effects...

[jade echo]

It's still pretty good if you have a melee build. If you level up your cast and combine it with extra cast boons and/or hermes cast boons, it can deal a lot of damage.

[proper furnace]

CoD is a fun duo

[proven jackal]

So, best Call on you guys' opinion?

My favorite's gotta be Aphrodite's

If nothing else because of the sheer damage she can inflict with 4 gauges

[cunning urchin]

Aphrodite's Aid is perfectly perfect in every way.

[proven jackal]

It is, goddess damn

2500 damage on Greater Call guys

2500

[undone heath]

Whats the best special for Zeus shield

[worn solar]

zoos

[rough chasm]

def Zeus imo but Athena special is fun

[shell sleet]

^ the average run is when you have a 2:10 tart without a broken build so you simply reset

[last dirge]

Took an anvil on a splitting headache Rama run

With most of the good parts needed. Twin and point blank.

Lost twin. Oh no.

Got triple and chain.

[noble onyx]

rip. one time an anvil gave me cursed slash on a run where i already had below-average hp for styx

[cunning urchin]

Well, gotta gauge the potential benefit vs the risk when you buy the Anvil.

[pliant dirge]

2:21 Tart, 4:38 Asphodel, 8:29 Elysium... man

[cunning urchin]

Sounds like Elysium.

[noble onyx]

all these speedrunners make me insecure. this is a me problem but it is a big oof

[valid dagger]

Solution: beat the speedrunners

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[noble onyx]

lmao i wish

[flat garden]

you'll be surprised how far spite can carry a run

[valid dagger]

If you practice it's actually not bad

Depends on your goal

[noble onyx]

i have disabilities and can't escape without god mode

[pliant dirge]

Can confirm this

hit a sub 10 with the Rail and one run later sub 10 with the fists

barely, but I did

Also for Hera, what's better? Flurry + Twin or Flurry + Triple?

[valid dagger]

Twin's reduced range isnt too nice for speedrunning

[pliant dirge]

Triple it is

[valid dagger]

But I would avoid Flurry completely

If you can't control it

I'd take a useless second hammer over it

[pliant dirge]

how 'bout Triple + Point Blank then?

since I tend to be close either way

[valid dagger]

That's the perfect combo

[pliant dirge]

Alrighty then

[valid dagger]

Triple + Perfect shot is also good but on Hera you tend to not powershot as much because your casts are doing the work

But it's fine for dealing extra dmg when you have no casts

[pliant dirge]

okay one last question; Mirage shot, is it worth going for if you have no prereq out of Tartarus?

Cuz I know Snowburst with Hera is great

[valid dagger]

It's not

Even if you have both gods and no snow burst I would force Demeter in Aspho still

[pliant dirge]

Alright

I had a run with Splash dash, Arty attack, snowburst and like a lvl 6 Cast

ended up screwing up in Elysium, idk how people do it lmao

[valid dagger]

Yea that's kinda the ideal build but I would also look into Quick Reload from Hermes

It's very strong for Hera

[pliant dirge]

Yep

You can't get the Legendary without the Keepsake right?

also man idk why but both Legacy and Pride just aren't working

[flat garden]

you can

you have to get the cast-related boons but i forgot what they were named

[pliant dirge]

10:23 Final time, crap

Quick Reload, hold to spam cast, those things

[valid dagger]

If you have Quick Reload you can get the Legendary yea

Without the keepsake

[pliant dirge]

Ah

not a big chance probably

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896219913990062201/921700542957371422/unknown.png also jeez this is taking a few attempts

[valid dagger]

Yea it takes a while

Took me a few days of grinding

To get a sub8

Rooms matter too much

[long escarp]

A few days? That’s pretty good

[valid dagger]

My build wasnt too great but rooms just carry your time honestly

[valid dagger]

Yea it's not too bad

[pliant dirge]

all I'm looking for is sub 10

then I am never touching the thing again

apart from like... funny Chiron

[unreal tree]

Its exactly a 1% chance with god's pride

[long escarp]

Sub 10 for a specific weapon or just in general?

[valid dagger]

Hera kbm

[pliant dirge]

Y'know

[long escarp]

[pliant dirge]

that's... not a lot

[valid dagger]

Yea

[long escarp]

No it’s not

[valid dagger]

Don't really need it tho so thats good

[unreal tree]

[unreal tree]

Bad news tho

Good on eris/hesty

[valid dagger]

Bad news hera

[long escarp]

If you want to get Hermes legendaries you kinda need God’s legacy or at least nectar from Eurydice

[valid dagger]

Yea I like Bad News

[unreal tree]

Trippy flare superiority

[long escarp]

I still think it’s so funny that bad news is global damage

[valid dagger]

Or RD when I have 2% mvt speed from plume

[pliant dirge]

Yea I'm tempted to switch to Legacy for that + Duo's now

[valid dagger]

[unreal tree]

Except it doesnt get the pom bug from beo's trippy flare

[long escarp]

And doesn’t care at all about casts or anything

[unreal tree]

B e o m o m e n t

[pliant dirge]

like... I had quite a few runs where if I got the Duo's it'd been a bit juicier

[valid dagger]

Snow Burst and Cast like rarity

But it's fine to switch I guess

Also Epic QR

From Hermes

Legacy Hermes has trash rates for Epic

[long escarp]

That’s why Pride is so good

23% instead of 3% for epic RD or GR

[pliant dirge]

so uh

Epic QR or Epic Greatest Reflex

[valid dagger]

Id take QR

[pliant dirge]

reflex I assume

oh?

[valid dagger]

QR is way too good for Bossing

It's a tough decision

[pliant dirge]

wait crap

I meant QR as in Quick Recovery

sorry, brain having a moment

[valid dagger]

Is that really a question then

[pliant dirge]

There's a normal Quick Reload though

[valid dagger]

[pliant dirge]

aa sorry

Funny Dashes it is

[valid dagger]

Common QR vs +3 dashes is tough

[pliant dirge]

went with Dashes

just get lucky lmao

ugh man I hate Hera

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[pliant dirge]

pog, Rare Crop on a Common Cast

4:43 Asphodel, not terrible

I have no call, and no cast items in the well. Dad keepsake?

[valid dagger]

I dont like Dad Call Hera

On Cast weapons specifically

I feel like you can get insane value out of wells even if its not instantly at Ely entry

Also

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[valid dagger]

The Well before entering Styx

[pliant dirge]

this gif is precious

[valid dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901889174884466698.gif?size=44

[unreal tree]

CatPat my beloved

[pliant dirge]

7:02 into heroes, pog

7:30 out because Mino didn't phase together with Theseus

Still best Hera run so far <3

crap, no megs left for dad

bRO Do armor archers like EVER stop shooting?

Cuz there's 4 on the field

haha they cost me 3DDs and it's only just 2nd phase now aaaaand I'm dead </3

[fallen spoke]

what are the best builds for Achilles spear

[long escarp]

Flurry jab with Zeus or Artemis attack and a good cast

Hunting Blades

Crystal Clarity

[fallen spoke]

ok man thx

[long escarp]

Those are probably the top 3

[lucid oar]

And tidal dash

[fallen spoke]

my favorite dash

[long escarp]

Right, tidal for the flurry jab builds, especially for speedruns

Actually tidal is also great for cast builds

And a prereq for mirage

[fallen spoke]

hammer time hope i get lucky

got triple jab,serrated point,extending jab what should i pick

[long escarp]

Eh, triple I guess

[fallen spoke]

serrated for the dash no?

ok triple

[long escarp]

Serrated has a pretty real downside

And is also bad with flurry

[fallen spoke]

can ares help the build

[long escarp]

If you’re doing hunting blades he can

[fallen spoke]

for the homing ares cast right?

[long escarp]

Yes

[fallen spoke]

ok

hope i get the cast

got it and have tidal dash

[valid dagger]

Force Artemis into Asphodel if you can

[fallen spoke]

i dont have the reroll yet

[valid dagger]

That has nothing to do with forcing her tho

[fallen spoke]

how to force it then

[valid dagger]

With her keepsake

[fallen spoke]

i got her keepsake on after first boss now

[valid dagger]

Good now you basically want her attack and just pray that you see her and Ares again

[fallen spoke]

i already have zeus attack

maybe special of artemis

i died yay

just started a zeus shiel run and instantly got special zeus

[long escarp]

That’s generally how Thunder signet works, yes

[fallen spoke]

now i need double lightnig jolted all zeus buffs

does artemis help zeus shield

[long escarp]

Double strike doesn’t actually do that much on Zeus shield

Mainly you just want jolted

I mean, double strike is fine. And a prereq for splitting. But it doesn’t do a ton on its own so it’s definitely better to prioritize jolted

[long escarp]

I mean her attack is always decent, although I prefer Aphrodite

[fallen spoke]

oh yeaf for the call spam

[long escarp]

Any build that starts with Aphrodite or Zeus benefits from the other

Smoldering Air is just that good

[fallen spoke]

empowering flight apeared take it?

[long escarp]

No

I mean, it’s not terrible. But it doesn’t do much in my experience

It only applies after you catch your shield

[fallen spoke]

sudden rush or dashing wallop then

[long escarp]

Sudden Rush is incredible

3rd best hammer for Zeus imo

Dashing Wallop is also decent but SR is better

[fallen spoke]

ok

athena what can i get from her

[long escarp]

Always divine dash

[fallen spoke]

ok

[long escarp]

Phalanx is also great

[fallen spoke]

divine dash

which keepsake now

[long escarp]

I’m not gonna do the whole run for you lol

[fallen spoke]

yeah lol

im gonna stay with zeus

[long escarp]

Wait what

Why

That doesn’t do anything

All it does is give you a rarity boost. That’s definitely not worth a keepsake slot

[fallen spoke]

too late

[long escarp]

[fallen spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[long escarp]

You do know it only guarantees a boon when there’s a 1 next to it in the bottom corner?

[fallen spoke]

yes

[long escarp]

Then why didn’t you switch?

[fallen spoke]

bc better zeus

[long escarp]

Barely

It’s such a small bonus at such a steep cost

I can’t think of a single situation where I would literally ever keep the same god keepsake on even after it no longer guaranteed a boon

[valid dagger]

Should’ve done it

[long escarp]

[fallen spoke]

whoo first bone hydra kill

[long escarp]

ever?

[fallen spoke]

yes

[long escarp]

Oh

[shell sleet]

ER>charged>sudden?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[fallen spoke]

oh no bull time

im probably lose my regained death defience

[pliant dirge]

just take your time

[fallen spoke]

i won lost my regaine death tho

still have skellys one

nvm

[long escarp]

[fallen spoke]

i killed them without using my new death defience woo

im at hades

noo he killed me

[pliant dirge]

7:16 out of Elysium, nice

[pliant dirge]

Hmm. Got ME in Tartarus, what should I take into Asphodel? Was thinking Artemis for PP

[valid dagger]

Artemis for cast possibly

Deadly Reversal

pp gud too ig

if you get mark later

[pliant dirge]

Alrighty, thanks :)

[unreal tree]

on what wep?, even if you did get ME I would def try to get athena dash

[valid dagger]

Oh yea I assumed you meant you have dash already if you dont you definitely want that

[pliant dirge]

Dem Fists and yes I got the Dash ofc

[unreal tree]

ah nice

maybe its worth to not force anything even

because impending doom is important