h1-builds-and-combat

[thorny coral]

you i didn't see)

[lucid oar]

My name on sr.com is RT95

[last dirge]

Why does true shot have to have the lowest crit rate

[thorny coral]

it's to powerful

[last dirge]

Someone once suggested making the crit scale instead of damage. Could be interesting

[cunning urchin]

True Shot is still paying for Nighty Night speedrun WR crimes, I guess.

[last dirge]

If it scaled like mark but had base bloodstone damage

[lucid oar]

The good ol days

[last dirge]

Honestly it could just stay at 100 base

It's like 70 for an epic now?

Like ive used it well but 10% crit and the lowest cast damage is sad

[cunning urchin]

It's just a "I guess maybe I'll get Deadly Reversal?" pick now.

[last dirge]

It doesnt pierce right

Or it pierces enemies but not shields?

It really doesnt have anything special to it is the issue now

Plenty of casts seek. A few others seek fast.

[cunning urchin]

True Shot is unblockable.

[last dirge]

Okay. That's something at least.

Could just be 20% crit

[cunning urchin]

No, the other casts don't seek really, they just have very minor homing.

[lucid oar]

Give it phalanx scaling

[thorny coral]

i still can't find you

found nyaa now on 152's place

[cunning urchin]

True Shot worked a lot better in the past because Fully Loaded was easier to get and +3 ammo and she had Dual Shot (now Mirage Shot).

[thorny coral]

ahahah dual shot

mirage shot is so much better name

[cunning urchin]

Dual Shot was a t2 from Lady Artemis.

[lucid oar]

120

[thorny coral]

oh

damn

missed you

[cunning urchin]

General IGT is never a cagetory I actually ran, so that doesn't really mean anything.

[thorny coral]

sorry

scotland

nice

[lucid oar]

Aye

[thorny coral]

ahahah

i like scottish accent

so sexy

[lucid oar]

👍

[unreal tree]

im pretty far up

[lucid oar]

Just a bit

[unreal tree]

[thorny coral]

are you angel1c?

[unreal tree]

ye

[thorny coral]

thought so

[unreal tree]

[thorny coral]

you're up there yeah

one of the greats

[unreal tree]

used to be 14th but got bopped

[proper furnace]

Ange games a lot

[cunning urchin]

6th place Hera RTA, 1st place Hera IGT @ 32 Heat. Those are like the only speedrun categories I kind of tried for, but also not that much. m not really a speedrunner, I usually just spend 2-3 days on a new PB or something before I get bored with speedruns again.

[lucid oar]

I am too 5 switch I think?

Or at least I was a few months ago

[thorny coral]

you high-heater then?

16th place 32 heat with zag shield ahahah

nice

[cunning urchin]

Yes, but tbh nowadays I just do dumb runs for run and come up with Monthly Challenges.

[valid dagger]

Speaking of monthly challenges

[cunning urchin]

I was the first person do sub 10 with all weapons at 32 Heat. That's what those runs are on the 32 Heat board lol.

I wanted more people to try to go for it.

[cunning urchin]

Yes?

You're getting two challenges for November because we skipped October, don't worry.

[lucid oar]

And it worked

[valid dagger]

Oh that’s good then

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/910659561600462868/unknown.png

pretty much how flood flare is more consistent

no mirage, no good chaos, no rush delivery, forgot ff, cshot in elysium

also scuffed gameplay

[valid dagger]

No hc also

[worn solar]

forgot that too lmao

scuff intensifies

[valid dagger]

Also first hammer is sudden?

[worn solar]

actually wait I forgot to switch to charged

thats what happened

[hollow hearth]

ok

bruh

[unreal tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776362841623625740/849656774776061992/Webp.net-gifmaker_65.gif

[hollow hearth]

https://imgur.com/wTiA7Qf so close pt 3

finally

the bot has spared me

[unreal tree]

crystal beam

[proper furnace]

is FP good on arthur?

[unreal tree]

nah

[hollow hearth]

FP?

[unreal tree]

fiery

first mirror option

[hollow hearth]

oh

eh

[proper furnace]

oh wait that is not arthur lmao

[hollow hearth]

it kills the small things fast

for stygius in general

[proper furnace]

arthur already does that tbf

[worn solar]

arthur gets the big damage in the combos which you prolly aint getting fiery off on

idk if you backstab that much when dash striking with the other swords

[last dirge]

Arthur is really good with shadow slash or whatever that hammer is

Like 5k crits

[last dirge]

What if Arte cast homed into Mark if a target isnt within a certain range?

Mark is what will make it good

[hollow hearth]

does high tolerance stack with how many fogs i stand in?

[last dirge]

I don't think so

Stacking just makes the area bigger

[cunning urchin]

Mainly on bosses. Ideally you get bosses with their back against the wall, get behind them, and just direct all your Dash-Attacks towards the wall for easy backstabs.

[oblique sierra]

zeus attack on eris build the go to?

[worn solar]

yep

[oblique sierra]

What about aspect of Poseidon, what boons are the go to for that

[last dirge]

Any cast really

[oblique sierra]

any lodging cast

[last dirge]

Go cast, tier 2s for the cast, poms for the cast, maybe chaos for the cast, maybe Mirage Shot, and maybe a duo

Any cast really. Poseidon just works better with lodging casts

Trippy shot works

[worn solar]

i just build it like zag sword

[last dirge]

For the sword itself like

Whatever enables duos

You'll barely be using attack ideally

[oblique sierra]

exit wound?

[last dirge]

You can

It also opens up fully loaded

A good build could be like

Flood shot, rupture, maybe something else from Poseidon. Artemis on special. Try to get Mirage Shot and maybe Fully Loaded

And depending on what else shows up you might get Curse of Drowning, Sea Storm, Blizzard Shot

Sea storm isnt amazing, unless it's with Curse of Drowning

But at that point it's a 1 in a million seed

[oblique sierra]

i see

thank you

is it worth taking the mirror to boost duos

[last dirge]

Maybe. Up to you.

If you have both fully upgraded, it you will get more duos with legacy

But I've gotten like 4-5 duos with pride

You can use Eurydice to boost duo chances

Take her nectar

Try to line up Hermes and Duo or Legendary boons after her

So avoid Hermes until after her. Doesnt always show up though.

With Hermes I guess you'd either go Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery or a Legendary

So take like Flurry Shot or whatever its called. It's better than it sounds

Any rarity is really good

You can take Stygian or Infernal

With Stygian you really need bonus casts

Even +1 from chaos or the well

Fully loaded fixes it completely

Stygian is good for slower casts. Not Crush Shot or True Shot or anything like that.

[turbid needle]

lightning phalanx is the classic on poseidon sword

[oblique sierra]

I only got Artemis to drop once -_-

oh zeus and athena

on zeus cast?

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Phalanx requires Phalanx Shot.

But that and Electric Shot are the go-to builds, yeah.

Lightning Phalanx is basically a stronger version of Electric Shot but it takes awhile to get it, and until then, you only have Phalanx Shot (which is still a great Cast, though).

I wrote a general guide for Cast builds here that might help you, too. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[turbid needle]

basicially either start with athena, take her cast and then force zeus or start with zeus cast right away

[unreal tree]

Zeus still stronger with more zeus, so if you're going electric you should try to pick up static discharge and splitting bolt prereqs in hopes of getting it

Just dont pick up thunder dash because theres a bug on sword where you cant change dash strike direction if you have thunder dash

[turbid needle]

athena deflect me safe

[unreal tree]

[oblique sierra]

Oh sweet

[cunning urchin]

As in, can't dash to the right while dash-striking to the left, for example?

[unreal tree]

You are locked to the same direction

You cant change the angle at all

[oblique sierra]

I just did a build with Poseidon cast and got mirage shot and it was nothing to scoff at

I'll try your build next run

[unreal tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/866095179819253830/stickysword.mp4

What it looks like

This is probably the most specific bug in the entire game

[cunning urchin]

I dunno, I feel like it doesn't really matter too much, that's how most of sword Dash-Strikes are anyway.

[worn solar]

specially on controller

[unreal tree]

Nah still happens in controller if you buffer dash strikes

Ive seen it happen to wriste

[cunning urchin]

If you do an immediate Dash-Strike on pad, you're not gonna be able to change direction of the strike anyway. Only really matters for when you delay the strike.

[worn solar]

tbh i can do funny backwards ones sometimes

does it affect the auto aiming tho

[thorny coral]

i hate triple shot on hera

screws up my aim

and who said it was a good hammer

it's good on Rama maybe

oh right, maybe i go with Rama

[turbid needle]

its still more dmg than one shot

[valid dagger]

Triple Shot is my preferred Hera hammer

It’s too good

[pliant dirge]

Y’all got any tips on how you can time better in Asphodel? Enemies always jump out of the way :(

[bitter depot]

is this a legit bug?

[unreal tree]

Yep

Cause beyond thunder dash still unknown

[bitter depot]

idk, when im getting annoyed at them i just wait until they stop, standing still, until they decide to cast something then i go for it, also if you are able to, try picking some vs armor damage hammer? just an idea tho im not that great at the game, so not the best advice ever

[bitter depot]

so weird

i never noticed

oh and why do we dash fowards sometimes?

[pliant dirge]

Armor isnt the problem, I just can’t hit ‘m :(

[bitter depot]

while casting smoethin g

[bitter depot]

oh i see

[unreal tree]

What do you mean?

[bitter depot]

sometimes when you are using cast or attacking, and very shortly after you press dash button, the game will just toss you fowards first, then if you have 2+ dashes it will properly send you the direction you wanted to

its ungodly annoying

and it is a mechanic aspect

there is a delay between your attacks and dash

where you cant spam attack foward and dash backwards instantly

there is a moment in between where the direction of the cursor is gonna be the dashs target

[unreal tree]

You can still backdash on arthur while swinging so I dont see how this is correct

[bitter depot]

dude

bear with me here we both know that arthur is an exception on this

[unreal tree]

[bitter depot]

because you can drag its attack

thats alright

but not with other stuff

[unreal tree]

Never bothered me too much idk what to say

[bitter depot]

anyone else here had this experience?

you want to dash backwards but are attacking fowards and suddenly you freaking dash fowards and just then backwards, causing you to get hit or screw up your stuff

if yes please ping me

i cant be the only one right?

[valid dagger]

I don’t play enough sword to notice those things

[bitter depot]

sadge

i do, its my highest heat

[valid dagger]

It’s my lowest I think

[bitter depot]

hehe

i have 2 heat on fists

#lazy

[valid dagger]

At 40

[bitter depot]

bruh

hehehe

m highest is 17

[pliant dirge]

Highest is 32, on the Fists

[unreal tree]

Nice

[pliant dirge]

Did EM4 for whatever reason

[valid dagger]

That’s pretty good

EM4 hard

[unreal tree]

Ive done 55 heat on sword but just never noticed what you're describing

I'II take a closer look later

Have a lot of vods up

[turbid needle]

I think theres a guide on speedrun.com (I dont have it at hand) that tells you enemy positions in rooms and how to go about approaching them

[pliant dirge]

Eh, Theseus is kinda painful but that’s it

The rest is managable

[bitter depot]

you gotta be spamming attack and dash, and not always does it happen, but when it does is very annoying

[pliant dirge]

Hades doesn’t get that much harder imo

[valid dagger]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/chamber-layout/

[turbid needle]

thanks its that one 👍

[valid dagger]

Slow

[unreal tree]

Damm mike fast as heck

[valid dagger]

I win

[unreal tree]

[unreal tree]

Attack or dash strike?

[bitter depot]

mostly attack i think, specially the thrust if im not mistaken

lemme log into the game and beat skelly

[valid dagger]

Yea we don’t use that for optimal sword play

[turbid needle]

I dont think any1 uses normal attack thats why

[valid dagger]

I guess that’s why we don’t notice it

[unreal tree]

Oh that makes sense, then since I never use the normal attack combo

[valid dagger]

At all

[turbid needle]

I wouldnt know either

[bitter depot]

probably then hehe

[unreal tree]

Dash striking gets you more dps so usually not worth attacking normally

[bitter depot]

it also happens with other stuff tho

[unreal tree]

Cast-special-dash strike dash strike

[bitter depot]

standing still and shooting with exagryph and then suddenly dashing .secs after releasing attack button causes that same thing

[shell sleet]

what

the EM hades jump is like bigger than the other 3 combined lol

[pliant dirge]

Don’t find it that difficult myself ngl

[turbid needle]

EM4 hades is a bit crazy with some pacts

[valid dagger]

I mean it gets harder with other pacts

If it’s just EM4 it’s not that bad

[pliant dirge]

Yea I didn’t have Hard Labor on

[turbid needle]

EM4 is such a big gatekeeper for heat i swear

[valid dagger]

Just become Retrash

Free heat

[proper furnace]

Everytime i hear of retrash and their builds i just stare confused

[pliant dirge]

I still have no clue who that is

[valid dagger]

Search for one of their clears on yt

[pliant dirge]

Will do when I get home

[valid dagger]

He’s one of the greatest EM4 players imo

If not the greatest

Garbage builds and flawless fights

[unreal tree]

Lol

[valid dagger]

Very impressive to watch

[unreal tree]

Just dont play EM4

[pliant dirge]

Simply better

[valid dagger]

I played EM4 for like a week then normal Hades felt really easy lol

Out of my 30-40 attempts I won like 6

Tough fight

[pliant dirge]

Out of my 5 EM4 runs I beat all 5 <3

[valid dagger]

Were they 50 heat tho

[pliant dirge]

No because I’m no masochist

[unreal tree]

AP2 RI0 EM3

[pliant dirge]

RI?

[valid dagger]

Routine inspection

[unreal tree]

Mirror bad also

[pliant dirge]

Ah

[unreal tree]

50 heat without mirror

[pliant dirge]

simply built different

[cunning urchin]

How? The center arrow is still the same.

[cunning urchin]

For ranged enemies, they need a certain distance from you to attack. So if you chase them, they'll keep jumping away.

But it's mainly just a lot of practice and experience tbh. And make sure you study the chamber layouts in Lili's guide for Asphodel and how to manipulate the spawns there, that can help a lot.

And try killing enemies as soon as they spawn, too.

They can't run if they're dead.

[pliant dirge]

Yep

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

Attempts will be made! :D

[unreal tree]

Gorgons are an actual nightmare

Except dusa

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure Gorgons want a specific distance from you before they attack. They'll come closer if they're too far.

[unreal tree]

Armored gorgons

Skullomats spawning off screen 100% of the time

[cunning urchin]

Could be worse. Could be Superelite Soul Catchers in Erebus.

Who thought that was a good idea?

I made a feedback post about it in Early Access that got plenty of upvotes, but nobody listened.

[pliant dirge]

Got charged shot but terrible gods + lost a DD to Alecto :c

only 55 hp

pain

5:00.99 going into Lernie, probably best time so far

aa god he deals a lot of damage

[pliant dirge]

Hm, I don't think I can pull off High Confidence on Beowulf, I keep getting hit :(

[cloud arrow]

i like running adamant eris with hangover and weak lately, so much damage it's ridiculous

[pliant dirge]

Hmmm, got Mirage in Tartarus, what keepsake should I get into Asphodel?

[lone jetty]

Coin purse maybe? Demeter and see if Snow Burst or Rav Will shows up?

[valid dagger]

Yea those sound good

[pliant dirge]

This could've been a sub 12 I think if I didn't get bullied by Deadalus. No CShot or Sudden Rush :c

[cunning urchin]

You can get sub 12 without those.

You're getting closer, so that's good.

[pliant dirge]

Got Rare Crop Flood cast thing, was common to begin with

Progress is being made, very slowly but surely

Still have High Confidence on so it's also learning me to avoid hits

[proven osprey]

Beo safe though

Be careful during your dash strikes

This is is probably where you get hit

[pliant dirge]

9:00.14 leaving Elysium. Not gonna get sub 10, but best so far iirc

nah I just suck with the shield in general

It's my least used weapon

[unreal tree]

try to start your bullrush with a dash strike instead of a standing attack

it charges up faster that way

[pliant dirge]

I'm trying yes

Attempts are being made <3

Also; where should I Meg for Hades?

instantly in the beginning?

[strange lark]

Yeah

[pliant dirge]

pog new shield PB

Hm, it seems the only sub 3 Tartarus I got is with Mirage shot before Meg

[proper furnace]

is there a meg set up for the bombers in tart? (controller if it means anything)

[pliant dirge]

What has priority, Snow Burst or Ravenous Will?

[unreal tree]

Check pins in #speedtech

[proper furnace]

thanks

[unreal tree]

Usually ravenous for beowulf

Hera can take either, snow burst is crazy good on it

[pliant dirge]

damn you, 5 sack

Hermes screwing me over, late Mirage, bad Styx but still pretty decent time

sad that Artemis wasn't in the shop

Could've gotten her Legendary :x

Would've been 7 casts then lol

[proper furnace]

artemis legendary on cast builds are a myth

[unreal tree]

Harder on beo aswell

Since arti normally has 3 pre reqs for it

But you dont have exit wounds available on beowulf

[pliant dirge]

I had PP and SF

[unreal tree]

Damm

[pliant dirge]

and Exclusive Access so probably would've even gotten it too! >:(

[turbid needle]

good build for malphon?

[pliant dirge]

Now the run kinda got neanea'd in the end, 14:55

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

omg that's a great emote

[unreal tree]

[turbid needle]

understandable

[unreal tree]

Ares attack-athena special-ME-athena dash-impending at some point

God's pride or legacy are fine imo

[pliant dirge]

Man I'm never getting sub 10 at this rate

best is still 1 and a half minute late

[turbid needle]

when you get 3 duos at the same time

pog

[worn solar]

except you can only grab one

[turbid needle]

atleast merciful end was there

[pliant dirge]

I'm never gonna be good with other aspects ever again, Beo is gonna be stuck in my muscle memory

[turbid needle]

i still cant understand wtf merciful end does

[pliant dirge]

If you hit an enemy who has the doom effect above it with a boon that reflects (special or dash) it instantly triggers the doom damage

[proper furnace]

phalanx shot exists btw

[turbid needle]

oh

wait

but

[pliant dirge]

Who is this targetted at

[turbid needle]

if i have merciful end, and impeding doom

[valid dagger]

its not special or dash only

[turbid needle]

if i use demeter charged special, will all the impeding dooms apply instantly?

[valid dagger]

It's better to go for the attack instead

And have Athena on your Special

[turbid needle]

yeah yeah i have thatr

[valid dagger]

Then get the Duo and have her on your dash

[pliant dirge]

Special because that's how you get ME and then Dash to trigger it easier

:x

That's how I meant it

[valid dagger]

Yea that's fair

[worn solar]

holy shield

[valid dagger]

Athena's aid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

[pliant dirge]

Does that even trigger it?

[valid dagger]

I like Phalanx to trigger it on RaME

Because ARty dash

[worn solar]

the deflect damage ig

[valid dagger]

Yea it does but you have to be close I think

[pliant dirge]

Hm, just noticed Tartarus is my slowest

~3 mins

That's not good

[turbid needle]

i just got the titan blood required to buy aspect of arthur, what build should i use with it?

[unreal tree]

Aphrodite attack mostly, with rarity, you can also go artemis attack-passion dash for heart rend if you want to see some real big numbers

Smoldering air with said aphro attack always great

[turbid needle]

ok

[pliant dirge]

Run 1: 14:26.04
Run 2: 13:27.62
Run 3: 12:54.96
Run 4: 13:29.79
Run 5: 15:06.68 (4 sack)
Run 6: 13:35.47
Run 7: 11:11.06
Run 8: 14:55.12 (5 sack)
Run 9: 13:01.48

Noted my progress, we're getting there

[valid dagger]

That's great progress

[turbid needle]

What's sack

[valid dagger]

Satyr sack in the last biome, 4 sack refers to the number of tunnels they had to go through to get it

[thorny coral]

is it not shorter?

also two others get in the way, sometimes i lose the sight of center one

can't tell which one is center

[cunning urchin]

Triple Shot is not shorter, no.

[thorny coral]

still, i prefer to keep my distance from enemies, while wielding a bow

[cunning urchin]

You can still do that with Triple Shot.

[thorny coral]

having triple shot motivates you to do up-close shots with all three arrows

that's how you optimally play triple shot hera, no?

[cunning urchin]

I don't really change what I do except on bosses and minibosses when the opportunity for that is there.

[thorny coral]

i have another quick question, maybe not fit for this channel though, but it's really quick

i've decided to install some of the mods that speedrunners use

not the whole modpack though, only loot choice extender

and starting boon selector, but that i figured out

i wanna limit number of choices to 4

how do i do that

where's the config file

[cunning urchin]

I don't know anything about individual mods. You're best off asking in the modding server.

[worn solar]

modcord in #self-promotion pins

[cunning urchin]

And as you said, it's not really the right place for that.

[thorny coral]

yeah, sorry, but i thought some of you guys might not this stuff, since i noticed you were using mods

[worn solar]

I like how I absolutely cant get arty on beo attack. she's always on special

[thorny coral]

doesn't loot choice extender help?

[valid dagger]

Loot extender in the speedrunning modpack is just the first boon

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857268448039927858/910964582099591168/unknown.png

bruh

look at this

[valid dagger]

you better pick up charged filght

[thorny coral]

it's not fair i guess to always have your loot choice extended

[timid ether]

what’s a good build for aspect of hades?

[thorny coral]

@unreal tree, i use special on zeus shield

i shouldn't?

[unreal tree]

I was memin

[thorny coral]

oh

ok

[unreal tree]

Just thought it'd be funny to ignore the aspect completely

besides, charged shot just strong af

[thorny coral]

true

but blitz disc is stronger

[unreal tree]

80>30

[thorny coral]

30 per 0,3 seconds

so it's 90 in 1 second

[unreal tree]

yeah its real good

especially with zeus special+jolted/splitting bolt

[thorny coral]

i prefer doom

[unreal tree]

thats fair if you want merciful end eventually

[thorny coral]

not as good at clearing rooms

but melts bosses

[thorny coral]

i always want merciful end, are you kidding

[unreal tree]

[thorny coral]

maybe it's time to do merciful end on beo

ares attack, athena cast

it will be insanely powerful

[unreal tree]

it really isnt

[thorny coral]

who knows

maybe i'll prove you wrong

[cunning urchin]

Good luck with that.

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/898823036969562162/Hades_10_15_2021_11_40_08_PM.png

[cunning urchin]

11:11.31.

Setting new Beowulf records.

[valid dagger]

meowulf

I like it

[worn solar]

rip the 11:11:11

[cunning urchin]

Well, whose fault is that?

[worn solar]

definitely not me

[last dirge]

My best Zeus shield run was just kiting it with hyper+rush and zeus^2

[turbid needle]

what is better, aspect of arthur or nemesis?

both are good honestly

nem is better for speed

arthur is better for survivability

[thorny coral]

ok, i'm not beating that

[cunning urchin]

I'd also throw in that Poseidon is pretty equal to Nemesis in speed but with better survivability.

[thorny coral]

why

[cunning urchin]

Why what?

[valid dagger]

Poseidon fast

Just kinda dropped in popularity

[cunning urchin]

Did it? Haven't really noticed anything like that.

[unreal tree]

Its really underplayed honestly

[cunning urchin]

Hera and Achilles have always been more popular, and then people figured out that Beowulf is very zoomy actually.

[valid dagger]

I mean I barely see any clears with it compared to Nemesis for sword

[cunning urchin]

I think Nemesis was always the most popular sword aspect.

Poseidon's best times were probably during Nighty Night when Cast builds were just super popular in general and then later on when there were a lot of multi-weapon races happening.

Like Hermes Cup.

[valid dagger]

Oh then it didnt drop in popularity I guess, just what Angel said

[cunning urchin]

I dunno, I could be wrong. That's just my own impressions.

[rose siren]

were u talking about speedrun?

[cunning urchin]

In general.

[rose siren]

seems like sword's not so popular anyway

[cunning urchin]

Speedrun popularity always influences the overall meta though.

Doesn't determine it but definitely has an effect on it.

[rose siren]

lol for 50 heat

of all the aspect, Arthur got the highest one for sword O_O

any heat, nemesis and poseidon pretty much close, 6:17-6:19

[thorny coral]

why do you think poseidon has better survivability

[cunning urchin]

Not relying on a slow special move that leaves you open and not having to be in the enemy's face to do damage helps a lot.

Even if you watch some of the very best players in speedrun races, like the aforementioned Hermes Cup, the most deaths you'll see are with Nemesis.

[turbid needle]

poseidon def lets you play safe esp outside of a speedrun envrioment

[cunning urchin]

It's a very aggressive aspect that relies on being in your face; using all your dashes for damage, which leaves no dashes to escape danger; and constantly reapplying your crit buff with a special that has very slow startup.

Even Malphon is generally safer.

I guess Zag Sword is about the same as Nemesis but with worse damage.

[thorny coral]

Malphon, what a stupid name

[cunning urchin]

[thorny coral]

and by malphon, do you also mean gilgamesh?

[cunning urchin]

Not sure if brave or foolish, saying that in the presence of the Queen of Malphon.

[thorny coral]

is gilgamesh safer than nemesis?

[pliant dirge]

A bit of both

[thorny coral]

who's that?

i don't know anyone like that

but really

Malphon

it sounds like Megaphone

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/galavant-madalena-mallory-jansen-is-this-happening-is-this-for-real-gif-16036382

[thorny coral]

reminds me of Final Fantasy VII character

Cait Sith

[cunning urchin]

Gilgawhat?

[thorny coral]

Gilgamesh

[cunning urchin]

What's that?

Never heard of it.

[thorny coral]

is it not Malphon too?

anyway

stop hating gilgamesh

gilgamesh good

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle have you heard of a Gilgamesh? Do you know what BloodyDoubloon is talking about?

Anyway.

[thorny coral]

aka claws of enkidu

[turbid needle]

gilgamesh is irrelevant

[thorny coral]

but it is a malphon

[cunning urchin]

Still hoping they'll add a hidden Malphon aspect, that would be sick. Maybe some really fast Attack speed, that'd be cool.

[thorny coral]

ahahah

[pliant dirge]

Brass Knuckles Malphon would be cool tho

[cunning urchin]

I'll say this about Gilgamesh:

If I had a bard in my FFXI party who buffed my enemies to do 50% more damage to me, I'd kick that bard out of my party.

[worn solar]

gilga

[cunning urchin]

It's very high risk close range combat with fewer i-frames on your dashes and a longer cooldown, you have to apply the debuff from up close to each enemy instead of it being a global buff like Eris, it does a third of the bonus damage that Eris gets, and it makes your enemies do more damage to you than it gives you bonus damage.

For all the risks it already has and that it's not a global buff, it should be a lot better than Eris's buff.

Instead it does only a third and comes with a huge drawback.

And the delayed damage takes 4 seconds to proc.

Which, even if any normal enemy survives for 4 seconds after you start attacking it, they maybe have like a pixel of health left.

The delayed damage can be really nice in boss fights, I'll give it that, but it also often doesn't proc until they're already phasing... and you're giving the boss +50% damage, which is honestly ridiculous.

That's like half of getting hit by Boiling Blood.

[proper furnace]

Maim is global tho?

Still way too small so anyways

[cunning urchin]

It's global damage, but it's not a global effect. It only applies to the enemy that's debuffed.

[proper furnace]

Oh, makes sense

[cunning urchin]

Do you want to get hit by 100-damage spins? Because that's how you get by 100-damage spins.

I think it could be fun if it was like... +50% damage to enemies and you yourself take +25%. That would make a lot more sense. And then maybe the delayed damage should proc after 3 seconds instead.

[pliant dirge]

Ngl, the only thing Gilga is good for is Dash builds imo

[cunning urchin]

Yup.

[valid dagger]

It’s good for memeing

[cunning urchin]

You can still make it work with other builds, but the question is just why.

There are a few players who like it, but it doesn't really have any broader appeal because whatever it's trying to be just doesn't work, really.

I've still had some fun runs with it.

[pliant dirge]

Furry fists <3

How fast are they with 30% attackspeed from Hermes?

[cunning urchin]

Slower than any other Malphon aspect.

[pliant dirge]

Ah

Well, if it works it works

Its fun to mess around with, but not really great of anything

Zag aspect is still my beloved

[cunning urchin]

I had full faith in SGG for the hidden fists aspect. The only thing I asked for before 1.0 was that it wasn't gonna be another "hidden aspect of man" and not "Malphon, but slower!"

[last dirge]

Gilgamesh definitely needs some inprovements

Like 60% damage received/20% damage done

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's good enough for any of the content. That's always important to keep in mind. You can do something like 40 Heat consistently with it.

[last dirge]

True. I did 32 heat on it

But that was mostly a dash strike build

[cunning urchin]

I think you can really tell it's the last aspect they added. While they had more experience at that point and the aspect design has potential, it just really suffers from not getting as much player feedback as the others, in my view.

That's also why EM4 is my least favorite boss fight by far. There was just very little time for top players to grind the fight and give feedback on it before they closed the feedback channel.

Whereas we had a lot of time to figure out the other fights, and they had a lot of time to fine-tune them.

Like... Cerberus with FO0 is fine, but with FO2, the strat is just to stay in the bottom-right corner where there's a good chance he won't hit you, but it's not even guaranteed there OR you save a Call for i-frames.

[last dirge]

Yeah. Em4 really counters a lot of stuff to the point that yeah you can just not avoid damage

[cunning urchin]

And while all the other content even at FO2 is very well balanced for single dash, EM4 is absolutely not.

[last dirge]

I did em4 for 32 heat and had fo2 and jeez

Such a mess and it just gets worse

Like my heat options werent great but I wanted to try it

[cunning urchin]

The skulls in non-EM Hades are also always worse for melee than for ranged weapons, but during EM4 the difference is just absolutely ridiculous.

Like, they're trivial for ranged weapons, but with something like Malphon you're not even getting close without spamming dashes because they knock you back.

And the fact that Deflect doesn't make skulls disappear anymore (like it did during all of Early Access) while shield block does now (it didn't used to do that in Early Access) just hurt melee even more while giving even more of an edge to Aegis that it really didn't need because people already put 2-3 shield aspects in S tier back then lol.

[last dirge]

Yeah fists on em4 is incredibly rough

[turbid needle]

one question, does demeter special boon makes arthur aspect special inflict chill effect while the aura area is active?

[cold kettle]

best companion???

[last dirge]

No

[proper furnace]

aura doesnt spread effects of your special

[last dirge]

The Arthur area is just a passive

[turbid needle]

oh

[last dirge]

Only modifier is greater consecration, the hammer

Best companion depends. Shady is just useful

Batty is big damage

[proper furnace]

meg is the most used for speedruns at least

[last dirge]

Antos has some uses. Mort has some uses

[unreal tree]

Meg just generally good since its almost instant

[last dirge]

Yeah

[unreal tree]

better on FO2 than mort basically

[last dirge]

I like bouldy for funny stuff and gold/healing on demand

[unreal tree]

[last dirge]

Does acceptable damage

Like it isnt great but its something

I treat it like taking a piggy bank I can smash in an emergency

Like getting to 150 gold before a shop

[proper furnace]

i like bouldy for the reactions it causes

"was that a boulder from the sky?" - dad

[last dirge]

Theseus is really sick of the damn boulder

You can also trap bosses on the darkness/obols

It should be able to stop em3 asterius' spin attack

Like he will do it in place if you can kite him into it and sort of stay there

Keeps runs interesting

Lernie oddly will just push them away

[turbid needle]

what hammers hsould i get for arthurs?

[last dirge]

Shadow slash, greater consecration, double edge

Hammers dont matter as much on Arthur imo

[turbid needle]

oh

ok

[sterile fiber]

Meg: fast, good coverage. But aiming the line properly needs some skill, and blocked by DC
Than: easy to aim, more dmg than Meg, but slow and also blocked by DC
Bouldy: lower damage, but fast. More of a fun factor.

Skelly:uh.... If you keep him alive he gets dialogue, and can draw Theseus' god attacks?

Antos: high single-target damage, very accurate.... if a small mob doesn't spawn and distract Pat.

Dusa: highest theoretical single-target damage, not afraid of DC or mobile enemies, absorbs enemy attacks, but slower, and some attacks can miss

[last dirge]

Shadow slash gives you massive numbers though

Like 5000

It's not actually always useful damage

It was 5000 on a vermin

Arthur is just consistent. The third hit of the combo is the highest base damage of any aspect.

200

Greater consecration however makes your special Aura much better

[turbid needle]

what shadow slash does?

i forgot it

[last dirge]

Which makes using Excalibur easier

+200% backstab damage

On attack

[turbid needle]

in this exact moment i got a hammer with shadow slash

AND

[last dirge]

Nice

[turbid needle]

i got two chaos boons

that boosts backstab damage

[last dirge]

Yeah if you time it right you will be getting ridiculous backstabs now

What attack boon

[turbid needle]

aphrodite sadly

i think

[last dirge]

I used Artemis

That will still get like 1500 non crit

[turbid needle]

damn

[proper furnace]

aphro is more than fine, more consistent dmg at least

[last dirge]

Yeah with like 100% attack damage on aphro attack, 100% backstab between chaos and mirror, and shadow, its 1000

So you probably will get about 1250

On your 3rd combo hit

I think I had aphro attack actually

Just pressure points it lol

[turbid needle]

i accidently forgot that for heart rend i needed a zeus boon

but i had thunder flourish

but i forgot it again then changed it for a heroic ares special

for some reason

[proper furnace]

you dont need zeus for heart rend

[last dirge]

It wont happen often but you'll get big numbers. Then get mark and you can consistently get like 1000-3000 damage

Yeah

[proper furnace]

is an aphro-artemis duo

[turbid needle]

oh yeah *artemis

[last dirge]

Hmm you dont really need heart rend with this damage

[proper furnace]

if you already have aphro doesnt hurt gettin zeus on your call slot or other slot and a call of your choice

smoldering air stonks

[last dirge]

Most will be wasted on boss phases

Just normal crits on shadow slash Arthur is enough

Just try to get pressure points and hunter's mark

[turbid needle]

just delt 1450

[last dirge]

Nice

[turbid needle]

i never melted asterius so fast in my life

hades just let me go to mother for free wtf

[worn solar]

10th win moment

[turbid needle]

lol

[cunning urchin]

You can do the same with any pillar or even Theseus when's standing around talking to the crowd.

[cunning urchin]

also Dusa: best voice acting, RL friend, actually Lady Aphrodite IRL

[sterile fiber]

and calls Hades "the big boss" to his face

[oblique sierra]

Whats a standard build for zeus shield?

As far as attack special boons

[proper furnace]

zeus special + jolted ig

can add his call and aphro attack for smoldering air

merciful end always works (either on attack or special)

[oblique sierra]

I have the worst luck getting merciful end to pull

so generally that combo or smoldering air build

[proper furnace]

at least thats what i build

[olive trellis]

Is there a place place builds are generally recorded? I am trying to figure out if I suck or the stuff I'm putting together sucks.

Or both

[boreal prism]

in #h1-victory-boasting you can see what people are winning with

[olive trellis]

Aha.

Thank you

[turbid needle]

athena deflects every attack in the game?

[last dirge]

Not quite every

[turbid needle]

i mean like

the two asterius slashes and hades spin

they can be deflected?

[boreal prism]

I think I read somewhere that they can be deflected, but deflected attacks can still hit you

or something

[cunning urchin]

Deflected attacks can't hit you. You can deflect all of Asterius's attacks except for the EM spin; and you can't deflect the shockwave that appears after his EM ground slam, but you can deflect the ground slam itself, which will negate the damage from the shockwave. You can't deflect the shockwave from Theseus and Asterius's tag-team move or Hades's skull or the MM Dire Skull Crusher (although you can deflect the Dire Skull Crusher as it comes down and negate the shockwave). You can't deflect Hades's spin.

I think that covers it.

If you would deflect on the same instance that you'd be getting hit, you're taking damage and the attack is not deflected.

[sterile fiber]

Hades' stab can be deflected

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

Pretty sure I listed all the attacks that can't be deflected.

Oh yeah, Charon's purple wave thingies. Can't deflect those.

[golden pendant]

I doubt I'm being original here, but I just made this fun build and I like it. 😛

Oh darn, I can't post a picture.

RIP.

I'd type it out, but I'm up too late already. xD

[errant narwhal]

you can link to a picture, like from imgur or a discord image link

[golden pendant]

Oh true, I'll Gyazo it.

https://i.gyazo.com/11164c5b44a2c49e482b9b78a81deba2.png

(Demeter's Aid and Snow Burst optional)

[sterile fiber]

Is Curse of Agony Ares attack?

if it is, then Curse of Longing won't do much since you're re-applying the base doom value over and over again

Curse of Drowning is great with Talos tho

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Longing is quite nice for that.

If you keep attacking the same enemy instead of moving on for Curse of Longing to finish them off behind you, you're not getting the most out of it, of course.

[sterile fiber]

does one ever not focus on one enemy though

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

If you can let your DOT finish them off, for example.

[worn solar]

ig you can dash strike > upper from enemy to enemy

[cunning urchin]

Indeed.

[worn solar]

but like merciful end

CoL need buff

[cunning urchin]

We all know Merciful End is busted, but other builds can still work just fine.

And if you're starting with Heartbreak Flourish, picking up Curse of Agony is quite nice.

[sterile fiber]

feels better if it's swapped - hit with Doom Special, then Heartbreak Strike to death

[worn solar]

special doom is beeger right

[sterile fiber]

Add Unhealthy Fixation for extra charmlock

[cunning urchin]

Certainly not on Demeter Aspect. I guess you could do that for other Malphon aspects.

[sterile fiber]

yeah OP was posting Talos

[cunning urchin]

I know.

[sterile fiber]

hmm Frost Strike + Passion Dash + Lightning Reflexes + Ares special

Cold Fusion + CoL residual stacking

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, just get four specific gods.

[pliant dirge]

I keep getting natural Artemis’ in Tartarus w/ Poseidon at the start and it’s great

if I don’t have to rol twice for Poseidon cast

[pliant dirge]

Chamber 3 Artemis, feels good

Chamber 6 (I think) Arty Miniboss, speedrun Mirage ig?

was Chamber 7 and no Mirage :((

[valid dagger]

Legacy is a scam

[pliant dirge]

Yea I'm noticing

altho I did just get Mirage before Meg <3

CShot, Mirage and going into Asphodel w/ Demeter at 3:00

could be better could be worse

[pliant dirge]

Run ended up being just over 11 minutes :c

[valid dagger]

Thats still good

Your times are improving

[pliant dirge]

Only if I get very lucky

aka early wavepounding

[cursive bolt]

Hey I’m still kinda new only had game for o few days wat boons are good with aspect of Arthur

[valid dagger]

It doesn’t need a whole lot of boons due to the high base atk, usually you go for an Aphro attack with decent rarity and a few poms

A Zeus call would open Smoldering air

Great dmg boost

Divine dash good for defense

Shadow slash, Double Edge, Breaching slash good hammers

Artemis’ attack is also fine it’s not just aphro

Static Discharge, Double strike, Hunters’ Mark all good boons to get

Other than that just go for whatever sounds nice to have

[cursive bolt]

Thx

[shell sleet]

is jolted really that good if your only source of lightning is the call?

[polar python]

Not really. It's a missed opportunity.

This is a case where, depending on the rest of the build and where you are, I might take an Epic Jolted, but then sell a core boon to make room for it to be given over to Zeus.

A good jolted is sometimes worth reshuffling the build for.

Oh, I see smouldering air mentioned. That would change everything since then you're calling every 5 seconds. Then Jolted with only the call is fine.

[pliant dirge]

aaaaaa MANI lost like 30 seconds because my E key just decided to stop working in Hades, it worked in everything else. Anyone else had this?

[unreal tree]

I mean any key can just not work

[terse thistle]

Smouldeing air + billowing strength. Boom things start dying

[pliant dirge]

Yeah, but when trying to enter another room or something it just worked again

cost me 3 like easy sub 12's by now :(

aaaand it's happening again, great

[valid dagger]

Change it to another key

[pliant dirge]

tried to, also didn't work

it's not my E key

[valid dagger]

Oh

That's weird

[pliant dirge]

do I like, have to pick up my casts before I can pick up a boon?

if that's it that's kinda eh gamedesign

[unreal tree]

ohhh theres a bug with infernal

very rare tho, most common on beowulf

[unreal tree]

where that can happen

Im pretty sure you just need to pick up one cast to fix it

[valid dagger]

I never experienced that before

[unreal tree]

not much you can do about it

[pliant dirge]

Got it like 5 times today :c

[valid dagger]

You must be blessed

Or cursed maybe

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

Yea

probably

Like... I got a 2:15 Tart exit iirc, but now I'm at 8:00 and not even at the heroes yet

that is costing be a lot of time, but thanks for the solution <3

(I am also bad but that's besides the point)

[unreal tree]

2:15's real nice

[pliant dirge]

got stupidly lucky

Chaos, Bouldy, shops

good time

[cunning urchin]

Good or bad are subjective. No reason to beat yourself up.

[pliant dirge]

Awww <3

Well, at least I'm no longer getting 15+ minutes

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's a big improvement.

Couple days ago your PB was 19:something.

[pliant dirge]

Yep

Still salty that I got the 10:17 run ngl

so close

That Tart was 3+ so yea :(

I just can't seem to do Tartarus fast tbh

[proper furnace]

i feel that, my fist pb is 10:00:45

[pliant dirge]

Ohhhh that's got to suck

I got my Fist sub 10 with like... 09:58.97

That's what we call not even close

[proper furnace]

i still dont have sword-fists sub 10

i really dont like them

[pliant dirge]

One thing is for certain, I am gaining a lot of Darkness

[pliant dirge]

Fists are were my most used

Something about punching enemies to death is satisfying

please don't arrest me for that

[proper furnace]

i did sword 32 at least but was a cast build

[pliant dirge]

Poseidon?

[proper furnace]

ye

[pliant dirge]

Hm, interesting

Fists are my only 32

ME <3

Chaos > Shop > quick room > Bouldy

this might be the run

and Than

[proper furnace]

inb4 elysium is awful

[pliant dirge]

probably

no natural Arty tho

oh christ and it's Alecto, welp time to lose ig

2:48

not terrible

[cunning urchin]

You could finish your Aegis bounties while you practice lol.

[pliant dirge]

I could, but that'd change it up every run

Probably once I get all weapons sub 10 I'll finish everything

[cunning urchin]

Well, going up to 20 Heat at this point doesn't require practice.

Getting better times does.

So... practicing while you go up in Heat would be more efficient.

[pliant dirge]

mmm sure I guess

[cunning urchin]

Practice, riches, perhaps even practice for 32+. You'll have it all.

[pliant dirge]

FO2 I'm fine with

[shell sleet]

but anything past 15 heat wouldnt be effective speedrun practice

[cunning urchin]

Sure it would be.

Mechanics are the same.

[shell sleet]

but youre adding stuff that slows you down

[pliant dirge]

Too big of a drawback maybe?

HL / LC wouldnt be too bad

I barely die with the shield

And if I die it's at Lernie

[cunning urchin]

That doesn't mean you're not learning.

[unreal tree]

HL1 actually means you can go into asphodel Erebus with a EM2 FO2 pact

Could be beneficial very rarely

[shell sleet]

is erebus ever optimal for speedruns?

[unreal tree]

Not really

[pliant dirge]

No, but the funny

I did take it once cuz I thought it was a Chaos gate lol

[unreal tree]

Just an edge case scenario if there's erebus 22 which has hermes and you have hyper sprint and you really want rush delivery RIGHT NOW

[pliant dirge]

I mean I take any RD I can get

[unreal tree]

Just not worth

[pliant dirge]

If its epic its pog

If its common it still works

[unreal tree]

[shell sleet]

something something damage is damage

[unreal tree]

I cant talk smack about common RD

Since my nem pb had it

[cunning urchin]

Some Erebus encounters can be a lot faster than some bad non-elite rooms, but on average it's definitely gonna be slower.

[unreal tree]

Despite going god's pride

[unreal tree]

Meggin super witch

[shell sleet]

i know id much rather have common RD than hermes offering quick reload swift strike common greater haste for the 90th time

[pliant dirge]

I'm just using Legacy because for whatever godforsaken reason I can't seem to get Mirage otherwise

[unreal tree]

That's fair

[cunning urchin]

But why wouldn't you want Quick Reload on Hera?

[pliant dirge]

I'm like... Terribly unlucky Duo wise

[shell sleet]

because i dont speedrun hera

[cunning urchin]

See.

That's your mistake.

[shell sleet]

i tried though and im really bad with it

[pliant dirge]

Funny PStatus Snow Burst + Aphro cast go brr

[unreal tree]

Hera kbm big hard

[pliant dirge]

wait is it called PStatus I might have screwed that up

[cunning urchin]

Does anyone take Privileged Status on Hera for speed these days?

[unreal tree]

Privileged status status

[unreal tree]

Too inconsistent

[pliant dirge]

Yes

[shell sleet]

yeah i checked and bow is my slowest weapon at 11:58

even slower than sword which i never play

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[pliant dirge]

I'm like terrible with anything that isnt the rail or fists at this point

Eris is a lot of fun

[cunning urchin]

You're close to sub 10 with Aegis, that's a lot faster than like 99% of players or something probably.

Most players look at sub 10 like omg how did you do that?

Important to keep some perspective.

[pliant dirge]

me with y'alls 7:something runs

[cunning urchin]

Lol

Yeah, but we're a minority of players.

[pliant dirge]

I just meant bad at using it

Like, the handling/reflexes/button pressing

[cunning urchin]

Bad relative to whom?

That just means you see room for improvement. That's good.

[pliant dirge]

Used to play a LOT of FPS', so pressing R is like musclememory for me

[shell sleet]

honestly i was the same until 2 weeks ago

[pliant dirge]

Yep :D

[cunning urchin]

Next up is sub 10 all weapons 32 Heat.

[pliant dirge]

Lemme like... Get sub 10 nornally first, okay?

normally*

[cunning urchin]

That's why I said next up.

[pliant dirge]

Fair 'nuff

Also I gotta say, y'all are nice people <3

[cunning urchin]

'Tis all thanks to Lady Aphrodite's teachings.

[pliant dirge]

Hehe

Honestly I have a lot of time this weekend, so if I don't get sub 10 Aegis this weekend I might have to switch it up for my own sanity

[cunning urchin]

What are your Tartarus exits like?

[pliant dirge]

Terrible not gonna lie

Like... 3+ most of the times

Without Cast DMG/Extra Cast/Mirage Shot even its gonna take me like a minute at least to kill the furies

[unreal tree]

Really shouldn't be happening

Try prioritizing poms

[pliant dirge]

Mhm

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. How much above 3 minutes?

[pliant dirge]

~lvl 5 cast

Tbf it's common most of the times cuz Legacy

[pliant dirge]

30 max

[cunning urchin]

Shouldn't matter really if it's common.

[pliant dirge]

Oh boy I'm about to get destroyed with math aren't I

[cunning urchin]

I'd say you'll probably benefit from resetting if your Tartarus exit isn't sub 3.

[pliant dirge]

Just hit give up or die on purpose?

If its the latter I'm switching to Stubborn

[cunning urchin]

Just stand in magma.

[pliant dirge]

Ah thats fair enough

[cunning urchin]

Keep DDs, though.

[pliant dirge]

Alright

[cunning urchin]

It'll help you focus on speeding up Tartarus.

[pliant dirge]

Alright, I'll try later :)

[pliant dirge]

Also; what if it's like barely sub 3?

I had a 2:59.77 earlier :x

[cunning urchin]

Good enough for now.

It's just to have a target to tighten things up.

[pliant dirge]

Alright, thank you!

Btw, what happens if you get the Chaos Legendary with SD? Do you just get a DD, or does the SD change?

[cunning urchin]

You just get a DD, yeah.

[pliant dirge]

Huh, m'kay

[thorny coral]

i disagree, Nyx has best voice acting among female characters

Meg also maybe

[proven osprey]

You're wrong my little godling

[unreal tree]

[pliant dirge]

What should I prioritize? Poms or hammers?

[proven osprey]

Depends on build and aspect

Also you only get two hammers, getting one quickly is generally good

[pliant dirge]

Yea trying to get sub 10 beowulf

unmodded fyi

[proven osprey]

Charged shot is good for speed although not necessary for sub 10

If it's super early I'd go for the charged shot chance

[pliant dirge]

Got both Sudden and Charged rn

also aa Artemis is screwing me over, just give me mirage already it's freakin Elysium

[valid dagger]

That's a nice combo

[proven osprey]

Well that's perfect hammers

[pliant dirge]

Welp, that was the last shop before the heroes, still no mirage :c

[valid dagger]

If you wanna switch things up a bit you can try Stygian and Dio Cast instead but that also requires a lot of resetting lol

[oblique sierra]

What build you using? I just posted my first Beowulf run, I'm looking to improve it as that weapon was a lot of fun

[pliant dirge]

accidentally bought a pom instead of a Poseidon boon in Asphodel and I think that jinxed me

[pliant dirge]

Start with poseidon cast, get artemis attack and then get their duo

that's basically it

[oblique sierra]

Will try that

I was doing dio cast

[pliant dirge]

did it once, was somewhere around 15 minutes

whoops left the ping on, my bad

[proper furnace]

@oblique sierra if you are doing trippy flare, use stygian soul instead of infernal

Gonna want more chaos +1 casts but that way you dont have your cast in the ground forever

[pliant dirge]

Still no Mirage

in styx

first door down, was poseidon

this is pain

Oh, got it from the other door. Also the sack <3

09:58.98 at Hades, could've been SO MUCH faster if I got Mirage in Asphodel

11:04 end time

[valid dagger]

Yea if you dont get an extra cast for that build its tough to go fast especially without Charged shot

[pliant dirge]

I got the 2nd cast at like chamber 3

chaos my beloved <3

Can going into a Chaos gate actually kill you? from the damage

[valid dagger]

nope, you cant go in if you dont have enough health

[pliant dirge]

Ah

[valid dagger]

and if you mean some chaos curse then also no

it leaves you at 1 hp

[pliant dirge]

Thanks :)

What's a normal Tartarus time for Beowulf?

Getting consistent at under 3 minutes now

uhh RNG hello?

very quick room > shop > fountain > miniboss (gorgon and skullcrusher) and then Than

[proven osprey]

Yeah the sub 3 range is good enough for a sub 10

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leaving Asphodel at 4:50