h1-builds-and-combat

[last dirge]

Why

[fading nymph]

Please reverse the two

[last dirge]

Show me the dps increase

[strange lark]

Why would you put a % damage boost on eris attack

[fading nymph]

Your scarring the kids

And a flat damage increase on special

[worn solar]

sure

[last dirge]

I see your point but that's what I wanted try

[strange lark]

Bruh

[last dirge]

Bruh I also did sea storm on Rama special

Lots of stuff works for the experience at 0 heat. I'd even try sea storm on Rama special on higher heat.

[fading nymph]

You can make anything work at 0

[cunning urchin]

Even at 32.

[fading nymph]

^

[fair tree]

i haven't touched malphon in a while, what are some fun builds for malphon?

[last dirge]

What aspect?

[fair tree]

i think i only have zag

i plan on putting some titansblood into it to unlock Gilgamesh

[last dirge]

Okay. Hm

Demeter is good too

For now the like most obvious build would be like

Try for Zeus attack Aphro special

[fair tree]

hm, interesting

[last dirge]

Smouldering Air if you can and Billowing Strength

Even if you get none of that Zeus attack can carry

[fair tree]

i was thinking ares or dionysus would also be fun

[last dirge]

Since you are attacking fast.

Yeah

Maybe try merciful end then

Divine special and dash

Doom attack

[fair tree]

whats the duo that lets doom stack\

[last dirge]

Dash strike for big damage

That's curse of longing

Vs weakened

Dire misfortune is a tier 2 from ares that lets you actually stack up doom damage

[fair tree]

a tier 2?

also is impending doom good

[lucid oar]

Yes

[fair tree]

should i do doom or Zeus first

[valid dagger]

Zeus is less rng imo

[fair tree]

ill see what i get at the start of both

oh

uh

hammer

Breaching Cross, Flying Cutter, Rolling Knuckle

no idea what to take

[scarlet cipher]

If you're planning to find ME I'd say rolling knuckle but the other two aren't bad

[ionic crown]

oh talos has a fun build with poseidon

poseidon special, pull enemies toward you and push them away, laugh at the comical yo yo effect

[lucid oar]

Breaching cross is by far the best

[last dirge]

You could also do talos + flood shot

Though that just blows enemies up

Talos just needs to modify casts a bit like Beowulf imo

Tier 1 casts in general lock onto magnetized enemies better

[ionic crown]

I don’t think a flare cast would work with fists

[last dirge]

Not flare

Like with crush shot

It auto targets a magnetized enemy on cast

[cunning urchin]

Magnet Cutter has no effect on Cast aiming.

[last dirge]

Yeah

I'm saying it should

I've tried to use it a lot and that's it's big weakness

Maintaining specials and casts and attacks in melee range is messy

[lucid oar]

They should just make it

Global damage

[last dirge]

Or that yeah

That might make special only too strong though

[lucid oar]

Don’t listen to me I’ve used talos a total of 4 times

[last dirge]

It does weirdly high damage

The magnetization itself kills vermin

The 20 damage

[lucid oar]

One at a time please

[cunning urchin]

Anything kills them. They have 1 HP lol.

[last dirge]

True

[lucid oar]

They are DC: the enemy

[last dirge]

All hits of the special will kill Tartarus enemies pretty fast

[lucid oar]

I prefer the usual fists dash upper

[unreal tree]

Talos is ridiculously bad actually

[last dirge]

Yeah I agree

It's just the goofy aspect

[unreal tree]

It and Gilgamesh are probably the worst aspects in the game

[last dirge]

Depends on what its for

[lucid oar]

For speed and heat

Yeah

[last dirge]

Yeah

[lucid oar]

But they’re fun

(For some)

[last dirge]

Yeah. Talos can be wild

[unreal tree]

[last dirge]

You just cant survive

[unreal tree]

Or do damage

[last dirge]

Yes you can

[unreal tree]

Not on 50 heat

Not when going for sub 7

[last dirge]

We arent talking about 50 heat

[lucid oar]

Drunken strike tho?

[unreal tree]

Tried

9 minute ely

[lucid oar]

Ouch

[last dirge]

You're bringing up the upper limits of the game as an example for the entire game

[unreal tree]

Im not saying they're not good casually

Or fun per say

[last dirge]

Not even casually

50 heat is more than just not casual

32 heat is not casual.

[unreal tree]

That sounds subjective

[last dirge]

Casual isnt planning runs

[lucid oar]

I guess you could do mom Pom status with talos

[last dirge]

Not really. It's how a lot of people play

[lucid oar]

So I guess it is a casual aspect

[unreal tree]

I guess we think of casual play in different ways

[last dirge]

I'm thinking of how it works in like an mmo

Where a casual isnt even a bad thing. Its like someone who plays once a month to garden or craft.

[lucid oar]

For me, casual would be a silly 20ish heat run with EM4 and not much else

But I’d still plan a build

[unreal tree]

Even if you arent planning

Just knowing what's good

[last dirge]

That's mid heat. Not really casual.

[unreal tree]

If thats what makes it not casual then idk

[lucid oar]

It’s different

[last dirge]

Casual is like sub 10

[lucid oar]

If I’m having fun then I think it’s casual

If I’m crying then I’m speedrunning

[unreal tree]

[lucid oar]

Also ange1, congrats on your high heat arc. I’ve not been playing as much or being as active here, but I’ve noticed you’re really popping these off

[unreal tree]

ty ty

[cunning urchin]

It's a bit odd to dismiss "you can't do damage" because he's pointing out extreme examples where you need high DPS while stating yourself that "you just can't survive".

Surviving with Talos is just a matter of practice, but DPS is something that's limited at some point. And at high heats, your survival depends a lot on being able to get enough DPS to not time out.

Survivability and DPS aren't a problem at lower heats anyway.

Any aspect is perfectly fine for just casual play where you're not trying to push any limits.

[last dirge]

I've seen like upper mid heat runs with talos

Not saying it's the best option for that but it can meet the dps requirements

[cunning urchin]

What's upper-mid heat to you?

[last dirge]

32

Maybe low as 25

Depends on what heat you're using too

But with em4

I'm considering the highest heat I'm aware of being cleared as the max

What is it now, 50s?

[proper furnace]

62 iirc

[last dirge]

Unrouted

Nice

[worn solar]

well like any aspect can do 40-50 heat

[last dirge]

If you practice for it sure

[rose siren]

i wonder if anyone ever crazy enough to try 50 heat all aspects XD

[last dirge]

I play on switch lite so it isnt really feasible

[rose siren]

unseed 50 heat all aspect

no mod of course

[worn solar]

idk think tailesque prolly did it

[last dirge]

And my reflexes arent great anymore

On switch lite?

[worn solar]

dunno

just the 50 heat all aspects. a couple have prolly done it

[rose siren]

oh right, he might've, one person out of millions lol

[last dirge]

Oh. Yeah.

[terse thistle]

gonna give chaos shield another shot... wonder

[last dirge]

Do it. It's fun.

Maybe Dio special and Bad Influence?

[terse thistle]

hmmmmm...

[rose siren]

the idea of 50 heat with all sword and fist...

[terse thistle]

yikes

[hearty elbow]

afaik about 5 or 6 people have done this, probably more in China

Bright is 2 aspects off, and I'm sure he's capable, he just lost interest

[rose siren]

so still 1% of the player bases, if you round up the decimal XD

[hearty elbow]

I mean tbf I think a significant margin less than 1% of the player base has cleared 50 heat period

[worn solar]

wonder if supergiant has the numbers for playerbase heat clears

[hearty elbow]

You have achievement statistics for 16 heat, but other than that, no

[rose siren]

prolly not?

[worn solar]

yeah we dont even have the numbers for 32

[rose siren]

it is a single game after all

[worn solar]

this sort of data is still useful for them

particularly if you track things like aspect heat clear rate for balance and thinga

[hearty elbow]

There's also a solid chunk of people who are pretty solidly on their way. Angel1c is at 13 now? I'm at 10, Astaos is at 10 or something.

Neither Astaos or I are currently pushing it though

[worn solar]

3 is enough for me

[rose siren]

what? clear Hades in 5 min at 10 heat?

[cunning urchin]

m still waiting for @turbid needle to beat my 51.

[worn solar]

aspect 50 heat

[hearty elbow]

It's as feasible a goal as any if you treat each aspect as a project. Seems impossible looking at all 24 as a group but any individual 50 is really just a matter of effort and practice.

[cunning urchin]

I don't really enjoy some aspects enough at high heat to wanna do 50 Heat with all of them. Maybe some day.

[hearty elbow]

I mean same, that's why I stopped LOL

Not difficulty, just enjoyment

[rose siren]

well, would be amazing feat to just do all weapon once tbh...

[hearty elbow]

Fwiw I'm nowhere remotely close to being able to clear Sword or Fist at 50. At least without obscene luck with something like Smoldering Rip Current or whatever.

[cunning urchin]

Unmodded vs modded 50 makes a huge difference, too.

[hearty elbow]

So like, yeah, if you want to get 6 weapons x 50, get it done. Put in the reps. You have plenty of experts and resources here to draw from.

[worn solar]

imagine getting to styx and 5 sack

[hearty elbow]

Yes. Lol, this is why modded is a dream. I have very limited time to play now and I do not have time to mess around with non 2-sacks on good runs.

[rose siren]

well, sux to be a console player to aim for 50 heat?

[cunning urchin]

If you're doing AP2 with some aspects, if you can start every run with Double Edge, you're gonna have a lot more decent runs than if you just go in without mods.

Well, doing 50 Heat vanilla and modded are different things, anyway. So I wouldn't really say it sucks.

All of the 50+ Heat wins on the high heat leaderboard are vanilla.

[hearty elbow]

Nah, your process should just be different. My go to advice is to make the previous heat step consistent. Work on your mechanics until "oh crap, I have to get really lucky to finish this run at x heat" becomes "oh huh, I have to get really unlucky to not finish this run". This is most relevant for 45->50. And honestly, the climb to 45 is pretty much 0 RNG.

[rose siren]

oh well, the age of console is going down, only Nintendo still tries to fight that

i mean, even the other Greek God game would be coming to PC...

[cunning urchin]

Modded really takes some of the difficulty out of AP2.

[hearty elbow]

It does. But in a healthy way I think. I'm not super sold on personal sanity being used as a resource meter for a roguelike.

[rose siren]

and i believe the last one i checked the speedrun site, 90% r PC

[hearty elbow]

You do lose some of the drama of AP2 runs with absolute trash everything that still get the clear

But players are happier to grind AP2 now lol

So yeah

[cunning urchin]

The game was on PC long before it came to console, and probably still has way more console players.

It's also easier to record on PC.

[gusty rapids]

this 2nd sentence is basically growth in this game in a nutshell

pretty well put

[rose siren]

i wanna confirm something, the unseed 62 with Zeus shield is very legit, right?

[worn solar]

you can just watch the video

like its on the leaderboard?

[rose siren]

point is

the skull keepsake he used

[worn solar]

its been verified already?

if you have doubts, just watch the video

[rose siren]

seems like a very good one for progressing high heat

[worn solar]

if you cant do td3 due to the pacts and are fine with no acorn yeah?

[cunning urchin]

Skull Earring is good for high heat when you need DPS.

[worn solar]

its a very specific case

[cunning urchin]

And DPS is a big issue at 50+ due to TD3 being part of the pact.

[rose siren]

but here's something i dun understand

[cunning urchin]

Even TD2 pacts can have timer issues because they need to make up for the 3 Heat.

[rose siren]

because, acorn really did do nothing other than help u survive

and just on the bosses

while skull, if u use it on the whole run, maybe minus the 1st region to get specific boon

it did sound the best choice to do high heat with more dps the whole time, right?

and the reason u go for skelly or acorn is because you're not confident enough to not take dmg

[worn solar]

skull is still an additive 40% which isnt a always a lot

[rose siren]

or in other words, not good enough...

[cunning urchin]

Acorn isn't that good for EM4 because you can often lose it very quickly to summons without tanking much damage. So Lucky Tooth is typically the choice for that.

[worn solar]

you could say not being efficient enough to deal with td3 is not good enough?

[cunning urchin]

If you have Touch of Styx Dark, Skull Earring isn't gonna do that much.

No one is confident in doing EM4 without taking damage.

[worn solar]

like there's very few players that can no hit em4 fo2 cp2 dad

[cunning urchin]

That can happen with Aegis and a very powerful build, but it's extremely rare at high heat.

[worn solar]

yeah em4 fights at high heat are long

[rose siren]

i just wonder

[cunning urchin]

Even the best EM4 players will typically take some damage or lose some Acorn charges if they use that.

[rose siren]

since even EM4

in theory, all are avoidable dmg

so, if you're really that good, maybe skull is the best keepsake

[worn solar]

if you no hit em4 then its pretty obvious you need no survivability?

[cunning urchin]

EM4 definitely has some situations that make it impossible to avoid damage.

[worn solar]

have fun with multiple skulls going off with dad doing lasers with pots everywhere

[rose siren]

well, someone did do it, so yeah...

[cunning urchin]

FO2 Cerberus if you don't have Aegis or a Call or summon or extra dashes for i-frames or something is just RNG if you're getting hit.

[worn solar]

also happened to have aegis which helps quite a lot

[cunning urchin]

That it's possible to no-hit EM4 doesn't mean there aren't situations that make it impossible to avoid damage. You can do your best to avoid being put into those situations, but even that's not always possible.

Sometimes you get to choose if you get hit by a spin or an urn or a skull.

Sometimes an urn spawns under you and pushes you into beams.

Sometimes the only way to avoid beams is to dash into an urn behind the pillars.

You don't see much of that in the runs on the leaderboard because in those runs, very little went wrong.. that's why they succeeded.

[rose siren]

do people use skull a lot for leaderboard at 50heat+?

or they tend to use acorn?

well, i guess skelly/acorn for last and god boon early

[cunning urchin]

I think Lucky Tooth, Acorn, and Shackle are still the most popular choices.

Shackle sometimes just because they had to because they weren't getting the core boons they needed.

[rose siren]

ic

[cunning urchin]

Skull Earring depends a bit more on whether it makes sense for the build and whether you got Touch of Styx Dark.

[rose siren]

well, with skull, u could just go for the dmg, i guess?

100% bonus dmg 😄

[cunning urchin]

I don't know anyone who'd take Jerky Select over Touch of Styx Dark at 50+ unless maybe you're speedrunning.

If you're looking for the win and aren't worried about setting some speedrun record or PB, you're always taking Touch of Styx Dark.

[rose siren]

oh i get the logic behind the more survival build

just didn't expect that seemed to be more popular than an more agressive one

[cunning urchin]

People like to not die to EM4.

[rose siren]

i mean, other games in speedrun they just find ways to max dmg usually over survival

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but while there are some speedruns at 32, 40, and 50 Heat, high heat and speedruns aren't the same thing, generally.

[sterile fiber]

50 heat speedrun

[cunning urchin]

DPS is a problem not because you want to set speed records but because the timer might kill you. Touch of Styx Dark gives you more HP to tank some TD3 damage if you go over the timer, that will help more than the little time you'd save by taking Jerky Select.

[rose siren]

feels like that's something u only need to worry when you must pick RI1 for the heat

[gusty rapids]

I believe ykc did this in one of his 62’s to keep skull earring uptime constant lmao

[rose siren]

that is the 62 unseed i talked about yes

zeus shield

[gusty rapids]

it’s incredibly uncommon but I suppose there is that reasoning

[rose siren]

reason? he still reaches 0 on timer with skull from 2nd-4th

he would never make it with other keepsake, i imagine

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, 62 also really pushes the limits of where you can find damage and how much damage you need.

[gusty rapids]

indeed

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Aspect with Thunder Flourish and Jolted also really benefits from global damage.

[unreal tree]

A few people have gotten to 23/24, nephiOH has gotten all 24 unmodded unseeded

[unreal tree]

14

[proven osprey]

Ain't pushing because I'm part of the unseeded gang

Modded is cool for sacks but it's cool to see what you get and deal with that

EM3 is just not interesting anymore to me even at 50+

RI2 unseeded forces you to strengthen your knowledge

[unreal tree]

We're all technically unseeded

[unreal tree]

Still feels tense as hell on fists/sword/cshot etc

[proven osprey]

Idk

Regular dad is slow

[mild raft]

Counterpoint: Ykc

[unreal tree]

Counterpointpoint : its ykc

[mild raft]

Countercounterpointpoint: what about those times I’ve fat fingered Jerkey instead of Touch of Styx?

Checkmate liberals

[polar python]

Quick question: just been offered curse of drowning with Beowulf. Is this a good idea?

I have flood shot at +7

Alternative is epic breaking waves

What does curse of drowning even do on Beowolf?

[valid dagger]

I wouldn't take it

[polar python]

It does sound fishy

And I'm just before Dad

[mild raft]

Lower your damage

Make you cry

[polar python]

Heh

[mild raft]

What else

[polar python]

Fair enough

[mild raft]

Oh it gives you 400 gold at the next pool of purging

[polar python]

Haha

Not purging for me, just about to go into Dad

Okay thanks

That was my suspicion

[mild raft]

Yea def don’t take it then

[naive solstice]

Hi hey hello, dropping by to ask - how is the Aspect of Zeus Aegis special affected by Swift Flourish?

I've never taken it on Zeus

[shell sleet]

actually cod is not too terrible against dad

probably still worse than flood flare but not too bad

it sucks for clearing rooms though

[hearty elbow]

Does basically nothing.

[shell sleet]

i think baj actually said that it makes it worse since it puts the damage tick under the 0.2 second internal cooldown of zeus lightning though i dont remember for which rarity of swift flourish that is

i could be misremembering though

ah yeah here it is
#h1-discussion message

[hearty elbow]

Oh iirc he said it doesn't affect actual hitspeed or the speed of the shield in general? @turbid needle pls

[shell sleet]

@brisk carbon youre on KBM too?

[brisk carbon]

@shell sleet KBM = keyboard and mouse? If so, I gave it a couple of runs on the KBM but couldn't get used to it so I went back to a controller.

[valid dagger]

Yea KBM is Keyboard and Mouse

[brisk carbon]

Thanks @valid dagger

[gusty rapids]

believe tail, retrash, and hadesprof have also done this

[shell sleet]

why do you like seeking fire on controller then? the autoaim on controller pretty much does what seeking fire does already right?

[gusty rapids]

well you still need to like get in a position to fire straight at an enemy, autoaim doesnt let you curve shots around

seeking does

[cunning urchin]

They have. First three to get 24x 50 Heat. I think Hadesprofessor was the first? Not entirely sure anymore.

[gusty rapids]

yeah i believe it went hadesprof, tail, retrash, though i could be wrong

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine @muted plank you would know.

[mighty ermine]

yeah hadesprof was the first to do it

that order is right

all of us unmodded unseeded too i believe

[cunning urchin]

Ty ty.

Now, do a barrel roll!

[sterile fiber]

does Harpy Feather Duster have a cap of how many heals it can spawn per room

[last dirge]

I think there is like a health spawn cap per room

Like 2 health items

[cunning urchin]

One per room.

[last dirge]

Yeah. Which is bad sadly.

Unless its styx

But there are better styx trinkets

[unreal tree]

hpd probably worst keepsake in the game

[sterile fiber]

Distant memery?

[unreal tree]

that one too

they're atrocious

[sterile fiber]

how much does it have to be buffed to be viable

if at all

[unreal tree]

same reason why sniper shot sucks

[unreal tree]

make the range needed shorter

[sterile fiber]

what if it's changed to flat damage reduction from projectiles

to complement Eurydice's keepsake's defensive effect

[unreal tree]

still just

bad

just dodge the projectiles

+what if you just dont get enemies that do projectile attacks

[sterile fiber]

oh - a slowing aura around you, like a lite version of Arthur's special but it follows you around

the idea being his singing makes the enemies sad

also changes room music to a lyre mix

[ionic crown]

Harpy Feather duster should just be like eye of lamia

iirc it only applies to one drop per room

[bronze marten]

Does the distant memory apply to meme beams

[cunning urchin]

Works on all damage that happens beyond the radius around Zagreus.

[bronze marten]

Same range as sniper shot?

[worn solar]

it like the very tip of base spear range i think

[cunning urchin]

Much closer. Sniper Shot radius is 675. Distant Memory is 500.

500 is the same radius as a max spin on Zag Spear or Achilles Spear.

[bronze marten]

Copy that. Thanks!

[fair tree]

are there any good builds for the basic aspect of zag sword

[fair tree]

whats a meme beam

[bronze marten]

demeter cast

[fair tree]

ah

[worn solar]

either merciful end or smouldering air

zag sword is still just worse nemesis either way though

[fair tree]

i assume best build for ||arthur|| is just the artemis/aphrodite backstab build?

ive seen like 8k+ crits on it

[cunning urchin]

Best build for what? Most reliable clears are with Heartbreak Strike start.

[worn solar]

smouldering air

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, into Smoldering Air.

[fair tree]

what is smouldering air

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus's Duo Boon.

[worn solar]

duo boon. makes call guage cap at 25% but it charges in 5 seconds

[fair tree]

oh yea

what call do i want for that

[worn solar]

zeus/aphro/dio/poseidon/athena

[fair tree]

i assume i want the one that buffs dmg after a call

yeah the build i was doing before was basically to absolutely max out crit and backstab damage

[cunning urchin]

Best speedrun build for Excalibur is also Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air.

[worn solar]

billowing strength is nice but there are other boons youd probably want from zeus first

like double strike

[fair tree]

alrighty, lemme finish up my schoolwork and then ill try it out

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's somewhat underexplored for speedruns, but that's what's brought results.

Though the top speedruns were that build but started with Shackle and Owl Pendant for some reason lol.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair tree]

what kits would be good for an artemis buikd?

[worn solar]

mostly its important to get hunters mark so you can actually crit things

otherwise youre stuck with an attack that does mediocre damage 85% of the time

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Passion Dash, Hunter's Mark, Heart Rend. But without base crit chance on your weapon, you're not gonna get a lot of crits.

And you'd want to get a bunch of Chaos Boons for more Attack damage.

[fair tree]

whats hunter's mark?

[worn solar]

critting = another enemy has increased crit chance

[fair tree]

oh right

[worn solar]

crit builds arent that amazing outside of nemesis and zag bow

mostly nemesis

[cunning urchin]

It's odd how far crit builds have fallen.

They're still popular, though.

[fair tree]

im still a huge fan of one-shotting some bosses

er

one shotting phases

[cunning urchin]

But other builds do that more reliably.

[fair tree]

also should I be playing on DX or Vulkan?

launching hades rn\

[worn solar]

whatever the default is ig

[fair tree]

whats the highest single hit damage i can get

[cunning urchin]

Depends on your system which one will give you better performance. If you try one and it's working fine, there's no need to switch.

Don't think there's a damage cap that you can realistically reach.

Most damage would be stacking Stygian Shards because they're multiplicative.

[fair tree]

i mean like, consistently

[cunning urchin]

With Heightened Security for better trap damage.

[fair tree]

like whats the highest single hit build i can do

[worn solar]

if you want consistent then just use beowulf and grab mirage shot and some extra casts/cast damage

pretty easy to instaphase most things

[cunning urchin]

Hestia with Heartbreak Strike and a bunch of Attack/Dash-Strike boons from Master Chaos and maybe Hunter Dash.

That's all of the damage in actually one hit.

[proper furnace]

How does HS affects stacking stygian shards? Ik it increases dmg against zag

[fair tree]

whats the best way to get gemstones

i wanna decorate the houes

er wait wrong place to ask

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure HS is multiplicative for enemies, too.

[worn solar]

speedrun, grab as many chaos gem boons as possible thats it really

[cunning urchin]

And do troves.

[fair tree]

oh i just got 4 diamonds

would Vanquisher's Keep be a good idea

[cunning urchin]

Also finish your prophecies, a lot of them give you Gemstones.

[worn solar]

yes

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[worn solar]

otherwise youre not getting many gems

also tbh when gem farming, dont bother about darker thirst if its a weapon youre slow with. pretty sure its additive with other increases to darkness/gems

[fair tree]

so what do i want on excalibur again

oh epic heartbreak strike ok

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

Ideally.

And then Hyper Sprint, Greatest Reflex, Second Wind, and Greater Evasion are all great for even more eHP.

Also Life Affirmation, Broken Resolve, Different League... those are really good since you already have a lot of damage reduction.

[brisk carbon]

Yeah but I'm terrible at the aim still. Hahaha...

[last dirge]

Try it in closer range

Try spreadfire instead if it pops up

That's how I play eris at least

[worn solar]

spreadfire eris

[proper furnace]

Is kinda fun but absolutely not something i recommend

[sterile fiber]

can confirm this can get 500+ dmg, and I didn't even have Hunter Dash

actually: use Fiery Presence and Priv Status, Skull Earring/Pierced Butterfly, turn on DC2, Hestia Heartbreak Strike + a non-damaging status, hit twice to remove hearts and apply 2 statuses, then dash-attack

[unreal tree]

Please dont

DC hestia is the worst

Im not overstating

[sterile fiber]

now I wanna run calcs...

[unreal tree]

There is a 60 heat hestia clear on modded

It runs DC0

Its that Extreme

[sterile fiber]

it's not optimized for run enjoyment

[unreal tree]

[sterile fiber]

it's for the "highest single-hit damage" question

doesn't Retrash have a 57 heat DC2 Hestia
edit: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/878862574974803979/unknown.png

[steady pebble]

what should i build when i run cosmic egg?

[sterile fiber]

anything that benefits from Chaos....so....most things????

[proper furnace]

Whatever the game gives you if you start with it

[steady pebble]

alright

im not that good so im not so sure

[proper furnace]

Honestly i just take egg if a mid biome well has a light of ixion

[sterile fiber]

get buffs to your weapon's primary damage output method (dash)-attack, special, cast, etc

[proper furnace]

Or take it to styx to flex on dad

(taking egg to dad fight is an actual prophecy btw)

[unreal tree]

Counterpoint-retrash

[valid dagger]

That looks like budget Eris

[unreal tree]

RI1 57 is something only he would do lol

[worn solar]

didnt even have patty and he didnt even need tooth

[unreal tree]

Might have taken attack damage

Idk

[lucid oar]

@whole drum continuing from victory boasting: on aspect of Demeter (or any ME weapon) you need damage early in Tartarus as it’s the region where you usually have very little damage. Therefore family favourites is greatly preferred

[whole drum]

it wasnt aspect of demeter :o just base zagreus. was going for a dodge% run for funsies and ended up with a really solid build hehe

[proper furnace]

Casually gets a great ME build with plume

[last dirge]

I like egg as a like asphodel keepsake yeah

Or tartarus if I've already reseted and know there is a chaos gate room 1

Especially with like guan yu

Elysium is probably too late for it and it's useless in Styx besides the list

I thought privileged status was better damage early on? Depends on boons.

I just find family favorite more flexible and it guarantees some dps increase no matter what I get

It does mean a generally slow Tartarus though

[unreal tree]

Usually just a god keepsake for me

Egg has very fringe use

[last dirge]

Same yeah

Kinda need two god keepsakes in a run to get a duo

[tiny hearth]

what aspect of exagriph (i probably butchered that to hell) should i use

thats not the lucifer one

[turbid needle]

eris or hestia

they r both good in different ways

[cunning urchin]

Different in that one is really good at killing everything, and the other is really good at killing everything... in a different way.

[turbid needle]

[terse thistle]

Hestia is like a mini rail gun that needs to reload often. Eris is basically just eat up the special and blow everything up…

[tawny fern]

What is the best sword aspect?

Excalibur?

[hearty elbow]

Nemesis probably

[solemn pond]

How do I unlock hidden aspects

I got the spear one...

Who gives me the others

[hearty elbow]

Sticky in #h1-story-discussion

[solemn pond]

Oh thanks!

[hearty elbow]

You're welcome!

[tiny hearth]

should i get the varatha hidden aspect

[solemn pond]

It's kinda rough but if you can dodge then yes! But it looks like you need it to unlock the others anyway

From the pin, it all snowballs from you getting the spear hidden aspect

[tiny hearth]

what pin

also how do i get aspect of arthur

[worn solar]

also the pin in #h1-story-discussion @tiny hearth

[ionic crown]

How would you build zeus shield

Aside from zeus squared

[worn solar]

funny merciful end

chunky damage aphro

[tiny hearth]

thanks

but which hidden aspect is the best

[hybrid vessel]

what's the setup for high levels of heat?

[hearty elbow]

Depending on lots of things, probably Beowulf or Rama. It's certainly one of the two.

[fading nymph]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

@hybrid vessel

[fair tree]

if i wanna build arthur for special instead of attack how would i do that

ive just been building it off of insane dps but i wanna try a nova build

[worn solar]

well ig just grab aphro special, double nova, super nova, swift flourish

[cunning urchin]

You'd probably want a good dash, too, that isn't Tidal Dash.

So you can press Special and then do dashes just before Zagreus hits the ground, and then you hit the ground at the end of your dashes.

Doesn't really work well with Tidal Dash because it'll knock them out of your Special radius a lot of times.

But if you have Passion Dash with some poms on it + Deadly Flourish and go for Heart Rend, that might be good.

Passion Dash pom scaling is pretty good.

[royal needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862693501263020052/903084201451094036/unknown.png?width=1226&height=676 Fastest escape out of asphodel with eris

(that i've done)

[last dirge]

I find guan yu (hidden spear) pretty accessible

For what it is. Of course its not as broken as some like stuff. Thinking the sword they added in the dead cells update of cotdg

Like double the base damage of other swords. You die in one hit.

With guan yu you should focus on the special at first. Get charged skewer and any high damage mod special

Like aphro special

Charge special, throw it into a group, sort of dash lunge into your attack towards your next target

If you want an easy time, go athena special

Solid damage mod and strong effect. Shoot stuff back at enemies. Get brilliant riposte into her legendary and all that and you'll take minimal damage

Its easier than bow even

You can also find enemies that are good for life drain. I really like the large vermin in Styx

Try to get about 130 hp

[worn solar]

spin tech with guan yu is also pretty cool

especially with athena attack

funny deflecty spinny you can run into groups with

[last dirge]

It's cool for sure just tougher

Especially without quick charge

[worn solar]

massive spin works for it too

[last dirge]

Without that I almost feel like even trying for it is gonna have me take more dmg

Maybe. I had the sturdy one on my meme sea storm special run

I'd rather just take less damage using special

[worn solar]

without those hammers youre mostly just using it on spawning enemies or having just a mini spin

[last dirge]

Yeah

I've for sure had runs where I can literally spam big ones

From some mix of attack speed, hammers, good attack and special combos

Timing probably takes practice though

[whole drum]

does anyone know of a website or page that has a big list of good builds for every aspect?

if not, does anyone have a good chiron build/general-boons-to-follow?

[proper furnace]

Artemis/dionysus special and aphro attack
Heart rend and special dmg from chaos for artemis/low tolerance and poms on your special for hangover
Then grab any support boon you like

Aphro special also works (and it gets funny if you get her legendary)
Demeter artic blast/dire misfortune doom/poseidon into sea storm and a bunch of zeus

Hammers = concetrated volley/relentless volley, piercing is nice ig

[cunning urchin]

with Privileged Status makes anything work tbh.

With either Heartbreak Strike or a high rarity Heartbreak Flourish.

[proper furnace]

Playing like a normal bow with attack hammers also works

[sterile fiber]

Is Chiron movement like Attack - Special - Attack or something like Attack - special - special until the target dies

[proper furnace]

Special until it dies unless hangover and you just stack it and move to other enemy ig?

[cunning urchin]

With start you can go Deadly Flourish for Heart Rend, Drunken Flourish for Low Tolerance, Tempest Flourish into Sea Storm or just Tidal Dash instead, Zeus' Aid into Smoldering Air, Divine Dash always good, Frost Flourish into more boons from her, and er... I guess Lord Ares doesn't have anything great except for Battle Rage and maybe Slicing Shot in case you go Deadly Flourish or Curse of Vengeance if you go Drunken Flourish.

[last dirge]

Next run: aphro leg rama special

Heart rend but I use it for pp

[junior heart]

How does Stygian blood work with Hera?

Stygian soul*

[cunning urchin]

The Cast regeneration time is unaffected. The bloodstones dislodge faster, so Boiling Blood or Abyssal Blood is applied for less time.

You'd want Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare, and then try to find more Cast ammo from Master Chaos or maybe from Wells of Charon at least.

Not as powerful or consistent a build as Crush Shot Hera with Infernal Soul, but it's pretty good.

Trippy Flare with Infernal Soul on Hera is pretty sad.

[junior heart]

Ok thanks. Works the same for trippy flare and icy flare ?

[cunning urchin]

Wdym?

Icy Flare is Beowulf exclusive anyway.

[junior heart]

Why?

[cunning urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior heart]

Ahah

[cunning urchin]

Because other aspects get Crystal Beam.

[junior heart]

Crystal beam on Hera? 🤔

[sterile fiber]

ie if you run any other aspect, Demeter's cast is Crystal Beam.

[junior heart]

Ok I think I'll just have to try cause it feels like I'm missing something ahah

[cunning urchin]

You can only get Icy Flare if you're using Beowulf.

Not sure what you're missing.

She'll offer Icy Flare instead of Crystal Beam if you're using Beowulf. But on any other aspect, she'll offer Crystal Beam.

[junior heart]

Really? I think I remember using it on other weapons

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

Maybe you're thinking of Snow Burst.

Or Ice Wine? That's their Duo Boon.

[junior heart]

Ohhhh yes that's it, snow burst

Lol the description is so similar

Thank you

[cunning urchin]

Snow Burst is great on Hera.

[junior heart]

Ok, that's where I wanted to go ahah

So Stygian or infernal soul with a snow burst Hera?

[sterile fiber]

Hera always uses Infernal unless you're going for Trippy Flare

[junior heart]

Ok, thanks!

[hearty elbow]

Not a huge fan of Heartbreak Strike starts on Chiron. It's fine, you'll probably end up with a build, but one of its bigger perks, Smoldering Air, really isn't that useful on a lot of Chiron's routes. E.g. if you get Relentless Volley, or if you go Hangover, you're going to be fine on God Gauge generation without it.

It leads into two of the better duos on Chiron, either Low Tolerance or Heart Rend, but I think starting Deadly/Drunken Flourish gives too many advantages, in particular the chance to pom/nectar them heavily early on.

[hearty elbow]

This really depends on build and hammers. One of Chiron's biggest advantages is that pretty much every single hammer is good on it. So you could end up with a build where you actually mostly attack. This is most relevant on Hangover. In general though, Chiron's play/movement loop is Attack + Special, then dash and find a safe place, then either attack + special something else or special the original target

[proven osprey]

Or be a man and dash in, special at melee range

[terse thistle]

Piercing volley a personal fav for Chiron

[junior heart]

How do you build Achilles spear? Even with vicious skewers I was doing really little damage

[hearty elbow]

Flurry Jab is king

Artemis or Zeus attack work fine (really whatever boon you have on the attack barely matters anymore once you get Flurry Jab).

You can also go caster on Achilles though it's a good bit less consistent. It's the best aspect for Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades, for instance.

Deadly Strike lets you pivot into the cast builds pretty easily though.

[ionic crown]

if it’s achilles then I’m pretty sure vicious skewer only procs when you return it

and with achilles you’ll want to do the rush

[junior heart]

Yeah thought about that too. Nice

[junior heart]

Oh damn ok

[proven osprey]

Flurry jab is what you're looking for

[hearty elbow]

Also it's not immediately obvious from Flurry Jab's description, but it also affects how your dash strikes work. You can seamlessly go from dash strikes to your flurried standing attacks and back so your average damage loop will be Rush with the special, dash strike twice, attack twice, repeat.

In practice, you'll be spamming dash + attack continuously, and using your special to move around lol. Flurry Jab Achilles is incredibly spammy.

[junior heart]

And is charged shot good on Beowulf?

[hearty elbow]

Very

It's generally considered to be its best hammer. Also its worst hammer, if your pact has EM4 FO2 lol.

[junior heart]

Because you can't party?

Parry*

[hearty elbow]

You lose your bull/dragon rush invincibility. As soon as you let go of Charged Shot you're vulnerable

And it's comparative. The reason it's the worst for EM4 is because Beowulf at its base is the best aspect at doing that fight. So Charged Shot just puts you on par with normal aspects. And normal aspects struggle immensely with EM4 lol

[junior heart]

Thanks

[last dirge]

@junior heart the special dmg on Achilles is just a supplement. You rush then attack 4 times or cast 4 times, then rush again

Or cast and attack but thats getting more complex

You'll probably get better results just focusing one or the other

Then just put whatever opens up your duos on special tbh

Vicious skewer is good on cast builds because you are probably using Artemis

So if you get Hunter's Mark you dont need anything else from her necessarily. Like you could just use her call to open up Mirage Shot

And so you can crit a bit with any cast

Breaching is good too. Remove armor then kill with cast.

But really what matters is the cast. You just go special hammers on cast builds because they are the only ones that will increase your dps and functionality

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure most of my Achilles runs have no Special boon at all.

[fading nymph]

Special boons just mostly for duos right

[hearty elbow]

I learned the hard way that Divine Flourish does not in fact make your body into a deflect box during the Rush

[fading nymph]

Oh no what happened

Pot?

[ionic crown]

It should honestly

[hearty elbow]

Pretty sure I yeeted into a Splitter ball in Elysium and exploded instantly.

[fading nymph]

rip

[whole drum]

friends i need to ask

are there any legitimately good demeter builds 🤡

[hearty elbow]

I mean, Snow Burst on cast weapons is amazing.

[proper furnace]

the fists or demeter boons

[hearty elbow]

In general, Slow is really nice somewhere in your kit but no, there aren't that many builds that want to start a Demeter core. There's Achilles Meme Beams, but as the name implies, the build is a meme (it's not a meme if it works, but good luck)

[whole drum]

i do like me some meme beams

[proper furnace]

Yeah a lot of dem boons are more of "it works, but why would you do it"

[hearty elbow]

Demeter has some insane boons, but they're usually supportive. Killing Freeze is insane, but you can (usually) easily proc it without having to waste your main damage slot

One of the nice things about build-defining Gods are outs to good duo boons. Demeter's are all pretty awful on average.

Crystal Clarity and Hunting Blades are some of the best boons in the game, but they're incredibly risky to aim for since their base casts are so terrible.

Stubborn Roots is... fine? Probably less value with LC0 than Nourishing Soul, which is not the ideal place you want to be for a Duo boon lol.

Unshakable Mettle is good. Nothing crazy. Just solid.

Cold Embrace is lol.

Ice Wine and Freezing Vortex are both megapoo.

LOL I'll leave it up there to make a point, but the 1 that I listed as actually being decent to pick up, Unshakable Mettle, is in fact not a Demeter boon. My bad. The one I was missing is Cold Fusion, which is definitely a pet boon of mine but it's pretty unnecessary.

[fading nymph]

like

Dem doesn't have build based around her

she just goes into others

[whole drum]

im bout to change that 😈

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-lmao-gif-9271317

The only real Lady Demeter build that people do is Crystal Clarity.

And it's more often that you chance into it than that you go for it.

And she's a staple in Hera and Beowulf builds... but not as the first god. Mainly just for Snow Burst and maybe Ravenous Will.

[hearty elbow]

Lol, it's because if you go for Crystal Clarity, usually you end up with like 5 out the like 7 different parts and you have semi-functional garbage by the end.

[cunning urchin]

Not wrong.

I think you're more likely to get something decent if you're fine with both Crystal Clarity and Cold Embrace, but people hate on Cold Embrace anyway.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

One big issue with Lady Demeter is that the pom scaling on her t1 boons is whatever and her t2 boons can't be pommed at all.

[hearty elbow]

It's way better than base cast but it's a bad consolation prize for Clarity and removes it from your pool lol

[cunning urchin]

So that's another reason that starting with her boons just doesn't make a lot of sense. Those early poms are just wasted.

[hearty elbow]

But yeah, the build is so inconsistent to get together that you may as well take Cold Embrace if you're offered it lol

Your rolls are already stretched thin as is

[cunning urchin]

Maybe. My point is just you'll more consistently actually get something going that way. A decent Cold Embrace build (with maybe Smoldering Air) is a lot better still than a Crystal Clarity build that never came together.

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, agreed.

[whole drum]

i posted my run with crystal clarity in #h1-victory-boasting if you wanna check it out

[ionic crown]

Should’ve used crystal clarity

I meant

Stygian soul

Blood and darkness I am a fool

[last dirge]

@whole drum some kinda rama special demeter plus aphro attack?

Demeter just doesnt have normal duos

Hers are either memes or for casts

[whole drum]

thats what i noticed hehe

i always had this premonition in the back of my mind that "demeter always has poo poo boons whats up with that?"

[last dirge]

Like if you got all the good demeter stuff and relentless volley, you got some strength

Well I think of it like

Baseline its mid dmg and a mid effect

Versus athena who is mid dmg and strong effect

But tier 2 athena boons dont really make deflect stronger

Tier 2 demeter boons make chill much stronger

On rama you could like

Freeze kill the entire room lol

Cause massive lag

And it really just plays as usual rama

But you get the bonus demeter effects, at the cost of bad duos

Chill cant be that bad can it? Like I imagine it isnt enough of a slowdown to really matter

But with rama that does open up more time to attack

Rama is best at mass status application

So demeter special > killing freeze > winter harvest seems good

I've done it once and it felt fine at least at low heat. Normally I dont do heat for meme stuff/achievement stuff

But it felt very strong

Chill also doesnt expire like Hangover does right?

I was gonna say Chaos but again, no good duos to go for

Rama is probably the best you'll get

But that's just Rama

[proper furnace]

Huh never realized chill doesnt go away

[last dirge]

Yeah that's one benefit of it ig

Killing freeze damage is constant, besides it's annoying condition

It's kinda why I dont mind Frozen Touch

[worn solar]

chill has a 10 second dur dont it

[last dirge]

Maybe

It's for sure much longer than hangover

[whole drum]

first boon with nemesis sword is epic artemis attack... ready to pog out

[last dirge]

Nice. No arte keepsake?

[whole drum]

nah i have it on

going for heart rend

[proper furnace]

Now hope for chaos to be kind

[whole drum]

aphro next room POG

[last dirge]

Yeah. Honestly I get really mad when a seed just wont give me an epic attack/special/cast

When that is the foundation of my build

[whole drum]

aphro special

tartarus heart rend inc

[proper furnace]

Eh cast is like the thing i less care on rarity

Poms too good

Doom rarity on the other case

[last dirge]

Maybe there should be an upgrade you can buy that increases starting boon rarity by 10%-20%

Yeah

Casts can be fine. I still want more dmg early ofc

But if it's just a common cast

[proper furnace]

Use high confidence

[last dirge]

Cmon

[whole drum]

splash dash 👀

[last dirge]

I've tried that with arthur and it sucks still

[proper furnace]

HC is my default unless GY or high heat

[last dirge]

Fair

I usually do low hp builds anyway

[proper furnace]

Not like i have it most of the time anyways

Too oonga bunga to keep my hp over 80%

[last dirge]

I still didnt get value out of it enough I feel

While 50hp is just less hearts I need to take

[proper furnace]

HC is for speedruns mainly

[last dirge]

Yeah

Like I could take 1 heart per region

200+hp

[proper furnace]

And ofc on things like doom/zeus/hangover having global dmg is nice

Even if small

[last dirge]

Yeah

[whole drum]

CHAMBER 12 HEART REND IM BUSSIN

[last dirge]

Maybe I'll try it 0 heat on gy

Nice

I dont really need hp on gy until like the end of asphodel

[proper furnace]

Tartarus duos/legendaries always fun

[hearty elbow]

Lmao, this sounds like grade A copium

"Pfft, I didn't HP anyway"

[last dirge]

Unless its parting cast

[proper furnace]

Thats still 400 coins

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, poopy duos in Tartarus are sick, you're super likely to be able to sell them

[proper furnace]

Or sometimes you just mess around with hera + phalanx

[last dirge]

On 0 heat you arent taking nearly dmg to need a lot of hearts tbh

Gy with 25 hp would still be scary but I could go like Athena + Stubborn Defiance

[proper furnace]

0 heat feels weird after a while, too used to at least em2 fight

[last dirge]

I have a certain hate for em2

Like doing that with fists

Jeez

Yeah stay in the lava heads thanks

[proper furnace]

I probably start hating it once i do HS

So never

[last dirge]

Just stay there for 10 seconds while I'm avoiding getting pummeled and still burning but burning slightly less

Then I'll go around the circle trying to get 2 at a time and it will be there at full all alone

Every time

[proper furnace]

I dont play too much fists tbf

Maybe a gilga poseidon dash every once in a while

[last dirge]

I need to learn some funny stuff with arthur so I can punish them

Like if I got gc on my first hammer

Then em2 is a breeze

[proper furnace]

Gc = bigger special aura right?

[last dirge]

Yeah and stronger effect

Definitely the best special hammer option imo

[proper furnace]

Arthur is still fun just to turn off traps

[last dirge]

It's too slow to use for damage. I've tried thanks to chaos

It turns lava safe yeah

[proper furnace]

traps are fun in general against enemies

[worn solar]

base arthur aura size smol

[proper furnace]

Gotta stack those stygian shards

[last dirge]

For sure. I buy stygian shards when I see them before Elysium

traps will kill a few enemies for me

The bows mostly. Love those things

I also use them to proc deadly reversal

[worn solar]

wait actually hs increases enemy trap damage taken right

[proper furnace]

I think nyaanya said it does?

[last dirge]

I believe so yeah

[worn solar]

hs big brain for speedruns

[last dirge]

The wording even is that it increases base trap dmg

Not trap dmg you receive

Rip old chaos

[proper furnace]

New category, trap%

[last dirge]

Also the slowest runs

Trigger 100% of room traps would make Tartarus very slow

[proper furnace]

Does aspho have any traps outside of the lava? I think i saw bombs but not sure

[worn solar]

ye

[last dirge]

It has bombs too

[proper furnace]

Styx/elysium are my favourite trap wise

[last dirge]

Yeah

[proper furnace]

Enemies just run into them so often

[last dirge]

Like I hate poison but whatever

That's supposed to be most of the damage done by styx enemies

It just feels worse than getting combo'd and jabbed in elysium

[timber coyote]

Looking for some fun but different builds for chaos shield. I have done all your standard builds like curse of nausea sea storm hell even merciful end. Just lookin for some more fun build with my fav weapon

[worn solar]

which aspect?

[timber coyote]

Whoops let me edit

Meant to add chaos shield first time lol

[worn solar]

can just stick on a crap ton of zeus on it

thats what i did for 40 heat

[timber coyote]

Fair enough. I did something similar (on a much lower heat cuz im bad lol) but ended up going for sea storm too

Just got my first 8 heat clear today lol

[last dirge]

Splitting Headache?

Dio special arte attack

Ideally charged rush

[tidal tide]

what would be a decent zeus' shield build

+a ping would be thankful when you give me answers!

[valid dagger]

Zeus @tidal tide

[worn solar]

zeus special plus zeus plus some more zeus and maybe an aphro boon for smouldering air

[tidal tide]

so i just

go ZEUS

and call it a win

[valid dagger]

yis

[worn solar]

ye

[tidal tide]

zeus nyyooom

[valid dagger]

You can go for Merciful End

[tidal tide]

other things to go with?

merciful end?

hmm

[valid dagger]

But Zeus is just easier to get going

[tidal tide]

im mostly building a shield up

to try EM4

died to hades on em4 because my build was weak as heck

the hell when merciful end shows up on styx

[valid dagger]

Yea get Zeus on the Special, put some poms in it, look for Static Discharge, Zeus' Aid, Double Strike, Billowing Strength etc

You don't need all of those

But Zeus has really strong boons

The more the better

[worn solar]

splitting bolt

[valid dagger]

Yea and that

[tidal tide]

man never made a decent zeus build

[valid dagger]

I thought Zeus was one of the worst gods when I first started lol

[tidal tide]

I AM

STILL THINKING ABOUT THAT

i never pick up/evade zeus

like

except rail

rails a different issue i guess

but doesnt zeus perform better on high speed attack with low damage value weapons/aspects

[proper furnace]

If you go zeus^2 get aphro attack for that sweet smoldering air

[tidal tide]

smoldering airs the god thing filling up automatically right

[proper furnace]

Ye

Caps at 25% but auto charges

[valid dagger]

Yea take Dio or Zeus call with that

Or if you want something defensive Poseidon's Aid + Rip current is nice

[tidal tide]

hmm

thanks

[proper furnace]

Smoldering + poseidon call rip current is the dream

[shell sleet]

same lol

and now i use zeus on 80% of my builds

[turbid needle]

Zeus = great

[naive hound]

Zeus cast is my go-to comfy choice

[fading panther]

Papa Zeus best papa

[eager swan]

My favourite cast is either Demeter or Dionysus & Zeus duo. A little festive fog with some lightening action.

[turbid needle]

respect the beam dream

[proper furnace]

Crush shot/passion flare is my favourite

[valid dagger]

phalanx op

[remote spoke]

Does anyone know any good aspect of Chiron builds?

[ionic crown]

artemis and dionysus on special

[remote spoke]

So should I have hunter strike and drunken flourish or something else?

[proper furnace]

@remote spoke generic chiron builds

[remote spoke]

Thanks for the advice.

Also is trippy shot on Aspect of Hera good?

[proper furnace]

Is fun, you want stygian soul + extra cast from chaos/charon wells tho

If you have hidden shield poms on trippy flare give double of what it says

[unborn patio]

Is there a excel sheet for build list for all the weapons?

[worn solar]

this build guide aint bad. though id mostly recommend trying things out yourself https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-beowulf-shield

most guides tbh are pretty awful so be careful

[sterile fiber]

searching [x weapon] build in the server can bring up good things too

[unborn patio]

Thx guys 🙏🏻

[thorny coral]

I've been trying out Zeus shield lately too

first idea is merciful end of course, but turns out it performs with zeus build even better

blitz disc deals huge damage with thunder flourish + double strike

also tidal dash is core

[thorny coral]

do they seriously suggest hunter's flare on Beowulf?

[worn solar]

reading it. no?

they say artemis attack

[worn solar]

Build recipes

Start with Poseidon Cast. You’re halfway to Mirage Shot. Pom the cast aggressively. Add Artemis attack and start looking for Mirage Shot. This is all about getting Mirage Shot asap, but you can also scale it up with Snow Burst, Wave Pounding, Pressure Points, Fully Loaded, Chaos, or slotting Zeus somewhere and trying for Sea Storm.
Start with Aphrodite cast. This is the strongest cast that you don’t have to wait for. Pom the cast aggressively. Find Demeter for Snow Burst (Privileged Status is solid here) and Ravenous Will and you’re cruising. Or get Artemis (attack) and Poseidon (probably dash), and seek out Mirage Shot. Also valid is putting Athena on attack, slotting Artemis somewhere, and going for Deadly Reversal so the casts can crit.
Use Stygian Soul and start with Dionysus cast. Pom it aggressively. (Another in-your-favor bug: Poms give you twice as much as they say they are exclusively on this weapon and cast.) Stunned enemies in the fog are sitting ducks, so wail on them until you can cast again. Add Artemis (attack) and Poseidon (probably dash), and seek out Mirage Shot. Fully Loaded, Chaos, and Prometheus Stones for more casts make this insanely good.

where does it say hunter flare?

[worn solar]

okay then tell me when you find it

[thorny coral]

yeah, you're right, my bad, I misread it

[cunning urchin]

Most guides aren't Nyaanyaa guides!

[thorny coral]

So they suggest trippy flare as one of the options to go with Beo

I heard it was bad because you had to go stygian soul

[worn solar]

its less consistent but it has pretty good potential with extra casts

[thorny coral]

it depends too much on getting extra bloodstones from Chaos I believe

it's not oft that you are lucky enough to get +2 casts

[worn solar]

like there's no need to only suggest the best build

i assume flood flare is the first in the list and trippy is in the bottom for a reason

[thorny coral]

yeah ok, but what about NOT going stygian soul? Is it viable?

maybe get scintillating feast

[gusty rapids]

I only read a few bits of that site but I’m surprised

they know abt not only the mirage bug but also the loss of iframes on your dash

p impressive

[thorny coral]

holy hell, Croven!

[worn solar]

without stygian soul there really is no point using trippy over the other casts

[thorny coral]

I saw your speedrun with Beowulf

top 1 in the world

you're amazing

[gusty rapids]

ah lmao thanks

was a p fortunate run

[thorny coral]

also they didn't mention rush delivery in the said guide

if rush delivery works the way i think it does, then it's definitely a boon to push for

instead of ravenous will, let's say, which gives you only 10% bonus

[gusty rapids]

RD is almost always a boon to push for to be fair

honestly that site is probably the best guide I’ve seen so far, overall not bad

[thorny coral]

I have some questions about it though, can't quite get how exactly it works

[worn solar]

they talk about him earlier on

Look for Hermes: he has a couple of cast-specific boons that are handy, or you can try for Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery. If you have everything else you want and you haven’t seen Hermes yet, using the Lambent Plume keepsake will unlock and boost your odds for his cast-friendly legendaries.

[thorny coral]

yeah, skipped that part right to build recipes

[worn solar]

yeah the link i posted kinda skipped to the beo section

[thorny coral]

so about rush delivery

let's say you have common greatest haste +20% move speed

and common rush delivery +50

will it give +70% global bonus damage?

[worn solar]

10%

rush delivery is a percentage of your additional movement speed

[thorny coral]

oh, now i get it

so with hyper sprint it's going to be 50% bonus damage?

[gusty rapids]

yeah

[thorny coral]

common of course

and then if your rush delivery is epic, then it's 100%

[gusty rapids]

yep

the rarity scaling is pretty absurd

wait this guy has links to gif collections of how each aspect plays

thats actually really good lmao

[shell sleet]

(Another in-your-favor bug: Poms give you twice as much as they say they are exclusively on this weapon and cast.)
its like beowulf actively tries its best to ignore every line of coding that would result in a buff to it lmao

[cunning urchin]

m pretty sure I've seen that name before.

[whole drum]

anyone have a good build for ||beowulf||?

[worn solar]

uh @whole drum

[worn solar]

from

[whole drum]

sorry, didnt see

[worn solar]

it gud

[worn solar]

you can also do the slightly cursed MEwulf and Thunderwulf builds

[whole drum]

hehe, im gonna give aphro a shot

i tried poseidon cast once and basically kept trolling myself by knocking enemies away before they could really take dam from the casts

was nice on bosses tho, but i was also bad with beo at the time

[worn solar]

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[thorny coral]

flood flare has the highest AoE i believe, so it's not supposed to happen, unless you put poseidon on your attack

[thorny coral]

damn that's crazy

what exactly do you need to get thunder flare working properly?

high voltage?

double strike i see doesn't matter that much, not pommed at all

almost

+137% aoe, interesting

would be bigger than poseidon's aoe?

[worn solar]

well youre supposed to get double strike and pom it up a lot but i ended up getting it really late

high voltage is really helpful too though so the aoe isnt trash

tbh half my damage was just from charged shot plus artemis attack

[whole drum]

lmfao i get aphro cast, art attack, poseidon dash, and zeus call and what do i get at the last boon?

SEA STOOORM

thanks zeus :^)

[thorny coral]

see, that's the issue of passion flare

on the road to mirage shot for, you open up too many other duos

sweet nectar, heart rend

while sweet nectar could be useful, heart rend on beo is not

[worn solar]

its mostly good at higher heat when youre forced to take ap and ri

[valid dagger]

Altho Mirage shot is nice you don’t really need it unless you’re using Flood Flare

[thorny coral]

also i heard something about sea storm bug, it doesn't apply to your flood flare cast

yeah maybe

but higher damage is always better, no?

[valid dagger]

It is

Sweet Nectar can be insane at high heat

Since that’s also more dmg

[thorny coral]

so you just go for sweet nectar when on aphro cast

[valid dagger]

With Passion flare you’d need good rng because forcing 2 other gods for Mirage is not too worth it sometimes

I don’t necessarily go for it but if I get a Poseidon naturally I’d want to open it

[worn solar]

pash flare works with a lot of gods tbh

[thorny coral]

tidal dash is best dash anyway on beowulf, right?

[valid dagger]

Aphro has nice duos

[worn solar]

poseidon for sweet nectar, arty fully loaded, dem snow burst, zeus smouldering air

[valid dagger]

Smoldering air Sweet nectar even heartrend is good if you have Arty atk

Yea

[valid dagger]

Well it’s good

But it’s not like you need a dash anyway

On Beowulf that is

[thorny coral]

to clear small enemies maybe

you're not going to use your cast on them anyway

[valid dagger]

You use your attack instead

[worn solar]

dash strike already clears them all

[thorny coral]

and tidal dash helps your dash-strike

[worn solar]

and like hordes of stuff like numbskulls will be deleted by a bullrush

[shell sleet]

idk i like tidal dash on beo especially for the exalted souls

[valid dagger]

It’s good

Just not really needed