h1-builds-and-combat

[split radish]

oh

makes sense i guess

[polar python]

Ah, I probably meant Quick Reload

[proper furnace]

#h1-discussion message by nyaanyaa

[split radish]

thanks

[polar python]

Hey ho, I'll stop hoping for it

[proper furnace]

tl;dr with beo
greater recall needs plume to get (no other requisites available)
bad news: plume/auto reload

[polar python]

Ooh, you need the plume!!

I never use the plume.

[proper furnace]

yeah hermes keepsake is a requisite for the legendaries too

[worn solar]

i wouldnt really use trippy with infernal on beo

[boreal prism]

Plume rox

[polar python]

Ahh well. Thanks. I mean I'm still murderating Dad just fine without it.

[round helm]

Would you build a rama crit build the same way you'd build arthur for crit? (eg, getting as much backstab damage as possible)

[worn solar]

well rama doesnt have shadow slash

[polar python]

IIRC a backstab in Rama Deals that damage to everyone

[round helm]

There's Chaos boons though

[worn solar]

could work ig if you want the big numbers but usually easier to just go aphro attack and zeus special

[round helm]

Not my style to use the special over the normal on Rama

[proper furnace]

special is to tag enemies with shared suffering

[round helm]

And sure there's no shadow slash, but there's sniper and point-blank shots

[valid dagger]

Sniper isn’t a great hammer

[polar python]

I tend to put Dio or maybe Demeter on the special since you can stack it so fast for many enemies. Zeus is probably better for actually doing damage though.

[proper furnace]

those are fine too

demeter is most for fo2 but it works

[polar python]

FO2 scares me

I'm working to get every weapon to 16 heat before trying for 32

Discovered I actually like the shield!

[proper furnace]

shield good

[round helm]

I discovered I hate the spear (oops) and I love Arthur, but only Arthur on sword

[terse thistle]

Spear just needs Achilles and flurry jab then whoosh!

[wanton garnet]

Does curse of longing work with merciful end?

[proper furnace]

Nope

[shell sleet]

whats a good lucifer build?

is it still zeus on attack like eris?

[boreal prism]

zeus atk is lovely on lucifer, and might be the best

there's a lot of stuff you can do

flat damage like zeus and dio work, but you can also do dem beam with arctic blast, or even pos beam with rupture and wallslams

[shell sleet]

honestly im kinda tired of running zeus for gun all the time so ill switch it up

ill try dio since i barely ever take his boons

[bronze marten]

Hestia doesnt like zeus on attack fwiw

i kinda wanna do another spread fire zag rail run

[terse thistle]

I feel hestia benefits more from Artie or aphro on attack but that’s just my observations. A powered up hit is like a mini rail gun. Similar to how I felt when I loaded Hera with sweet kiss. Boy that hit like an express train

It’s like I had a magnum

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike is best, yeah.

[terse thistle]

Literally breaks hearts

Hol up does that mean aphro cast would work ok with Beowulf? Or am I just crazy?

[strange lark]

its very good with beowulf

[terse thistle]

Why ty for the confirmation

[cunning urchin]

Most reliable Cast for high heat, even.

[terse thistle]

Makes sense when high heat has lots of dangers associated. You’d wanna hit hard and fast

[cunning urchin]

Flood Flare and Trippy Flare are also very powerful.

You'd want Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare, though.

[shell sleet]

i dont usually play hestia

i feel like the playstyle of shoot and reload isnt as fun as just rushing in with eris

[terse thistle]

Recommend trying hestia, it’s pretty dang good even boonless

[past roost]

Hestia is old reliable

I really disliked the gun, but had a little bit of fun running Hestia with ares attack

[long escarp]

Don’t use Ares attack Hestia

It’s in the bottom 3 for attack boons. It’s really bad

It’s not gonna kill you if you literally have no other option like if you’re using AP2 RI2

But you’d be much better off with Aphrodite, Artemis, Demeter, Athena, or even Poseidon

The empowered shot does 150 base damage. Adding 50 doom onto that is so bad

I was just stopping by to see what was going on but I had to say that lmao

[hearty elbow]

You have no shared suffering here fwiw. Epic Curse of Agony lines up basically perfectly with Hestia's reload dash cancel shoot combo. Tempest Strike takes a LOT to beat that with poms

[long escarp]

Eh alright

But if it’s low heat

There’s no situation where it’s ever right to start with Curse of Agony

Just use Heartbreak Strike

[hearty elbow]

Yeah of course lol, but it's far from a disaster to hit [rare or epic] Curse on Hestia.

Just don't take Impending Doom heh

[valid dagger]

Just play ME hestia

[hearty elbow]

^

I don't need a meme 50 run Doom run for this fwiw I already did that with Hestia thanks to AP2.

[worn solar]

hyperdelivery curse of agony scaling

[long escarp]

Lvl 2 epic Curse of Agony is equal to lvl 1 common Heartbreak Strike

So…

[hearty elbow]

Yeah I was mostly dunking on Tempest Strike

Also Curse of Agony lets you use your non-empowered fire on small enemies which is fantastic

[worn solar]

aint common aphro attack 50%

[long escarp]

Oh wait

[worn solar]

so + 75 dmg

[long escarp]

Yeah it is I was thinking about the special

Been too long already

Whatever

[cunning urchin]

@dry ember you hear that?

[long escarp]

Lmao is this a long-standing disagreement between you two?

[cunning urchin]

No disagreement.

[dry ember]

Doom Hestia is 5head move, it's too big brained for people to understand

[sterile fiber]

people did that for DC2 Hestia week of the reddit rando

[proven osprey]

Doom Hestia good

[bronze marten]

wait, ares IS useful?

for something other than ME and rifts going brr?

[proper furnace]

does flurry fire prevents delta chamber from appearing?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[proper furnace]

ty

[proven osprey]

Ares is

He exists

Doom always good if you can apply it rather fast, or a secondary source of damage

Most of his boons are sad though. Some shines on specific aspects (battle rage), most are meh. Sellable at least

Blade dash ain't bad

[proper furnace]

and his legendary is a scam

[proven osprey]

Pretty much yeah

[strange lark]

ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/897205927688679444/Screenshot_483.png

[split radish]

ME

[sterile fiber]

MEstia

[proper furnace]

that rare crop doing wonders

[sterile fiber]

Heroic Divine Dash meta

[strange lark]

yeah it was poggers

[proven osprey]

not even dying for the blood frenzy damage smh

Would have been lit for the doom damage tbh, unironically

[proper furnace]

How much is blood frenzy at heroic anyways?

[proven osprey]

Wiki says 37

Epic is indeed 30 so it should be that

[strange lark]

😔

[round helm]

if a boon says your attack deals 60% damage, is that both your normal attack and dash attack or only normal?

[worn solar]

both

[round helm]

aight ty

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/Ex96mHo

https://imgur.com/wGjCpT0

so it me or is doom damage not that much different from aphro attack for zag sword even if the aphro attack is epic and has double edge and a lunge boon and doom has no ME

[lucid oar]

Doom attack doesnt give weak i guess

But i think ares attack in general is pretty good most of the time

[worn solar]

yep and like ME builds even without the duo have athena dash and special which is comfy

[bright sandal]

Holy crap just found out you can sword special then dash to animation cancel. It's as much of a game changer as the shield spin dash tech. Hundreds of hours and I still find out I've been playing the game wrong, how many more small things like that am I unaware of?

[sterile fiber]

you can do the same thing with Talos (ie canceling the special with a dash but getting the debuff)

[worn solar]

wuts a shield spin dash

[sterile fiber]

I wonder if they meant the spear spin dash

[acoustic thorn]

Yup just found this out recently, changed the whole game up

[fading panther]

Late, but if you tried to special and then try to cancel it with a dash strike though, your whole special does get canceled, as far as I see it in-game

[hearty elbow]

There's quite a lot like that in this game. You can attack a bit after a bull rush ends with shield to slide across the ground. If you do it right the distance should be slightly less than an actual dash

It's massively noticable if you only have 1 dash (RI3)

With Malphon you can press special during a dash strike to basically do both actions (dash strike > dash uppercut) in one dash

[bitter sandal]

what is some good boons\build for ||Gilgamesh aspect||? also is it worth using blood over level 1? or is it fine at lv1? not sure if i should give priority to others aspects first

[valid dagger]

You can go for the Classic Merifcul End

Or an only dash build using Tidal Dash for example, Gilgamesh has some flaws, it's not the greatest of aspects to prioritize if you're low on blood, Demeter fists for example are much stronger

[hearty elbow]

Gilgamesh level 1 is fine. If you're new you really don't want to be throwing out that special too often anyway

You're just going to get hit

So I guess if you're at level 1 and you do like using the special, maybe you can put more blood into it then

[cunning urchin]

Ruthless Reflex will help a lot.

If you enjoy the aspect, upgrade it.

[bitter sandal]

okey..thanks guys,Demeter,chaos,Achilles,chiron,eris and ||guan yu|| is already at level 4..but i want to get the rewards for those hidden aspects..:-)

are there any good hammers and build for ||guan yu|| also? i tried one run but did not get past Elysium bosses..

[fervent elbow]

try Charged Skewer for Guan Yu

[bitter sandal]

i look for it..what about some good boons?

[proper furnace]

aphro special/zeus call and smoldering air

[bitter sandal]

awesome..i`ll try it..thanks all

[cunning urchin]

@bitter sandal I wrote a guide for Guan Yu here. #h1-discussion message

[bitter sandal]

nice..thanks

[unreal tree]

@cunning urchin ME is also viable with divine flourish

[cunning urchin]

There were like 2 or 3 ME Guan Yu runs at the time I wrote that.

I might get around to adding it sometime.

[unreal tree]

[cunning urchin]

Thanks for pointing it out, I didn't even remember what I wrote there anymore as far as builds go lol.

[proven arrow]

heavy knuckle vs concetrated knuckle on zag fists? 🤔

[cunning urchin]

What's the third option?

[proven arrow]

kinetic laujncher

[cunning urchin]

That one.

[proven arrow]

hmm...

why though?

i feel like +5 base damage is a lot no?

[valid dagger]

Good burst

[cunning urchin]

It's good damage for Dash-Strike > Special combos. As in... you do a Dash-Strike and immediately press Special.

[proven arrow]

hmm i have ares on special, i guess it lets me spend less time applying doom

than that long ass uppercut

[cunning urchin]

Concentrated Knuckle is fine, but your damage is mostly from Dash-Strikes anyway.

Oh. If you have Curse of Pain, take Concentrated.

Curse of Pain doesn't benefit from the increased base damage from Kinetic Launcher.

Not in the way a % Special would, anyway.

[unreal tree]

Dire good

[proven arrow]

if the doom gets reapplied to weak enemies does it count as applied "multiple times" for the damage boost from ares?

[hearty elbow]

You mean for their duo? I think it just restarts the timer and it ticks back down from the full doom damage again

[proven arrow]

yeah

kay

[languid forum]

can be pretty cool if u have aphro attack, divine dash and something that can inflict doom

liek curse of vengeance

[bitter sandal]

is it harder to get a different boon when you already got one? like if i got Artemis on attack and want Athena attack..am i more likely to get Athena attack if i purge the artemis?

[proper furnace]

yup

if you dont have a boon in the core slots the game tries to make sure you fill it

if you already have one is a 10% another god offers a replace

[bitter sandal]

okey..thanks

[bronze marten]

That’s the only way to get heroic from a boon directly

[spare flare]

Hey, just checking in because it'a been a while due to my Darker Thirst basically never picking Stygius, but what are the meta choices for aspects and hammers nowadays?

[fading nymph]

dedge

piercing wave is a good seccond hammer if your not a kbm player

shadow slash is also good especially on Arthur

[worn solar]

yeah double edge is the single best hammer for the sword by a mile

breaching slash is also very good

[fading nymph]

cruel thrust bad because you never thrust, cursed slash is cursed because it doesn't effect dash strikes, idk exactly why but for some reason good sword players say flurry messes them up so I've just never taken it

nemesis is the best aspect

you can go either ME or Crit as the main meta options

[worn solar]

flurry probably makes it hard to empty dash or something because of the attack speed

aphro attack for smouldering air set up is also decent

[spare flare]

What is KBM?

[worn solar]

keyboard n mouse

[spare flare]

Ah.

Okay, so sounds like the hammer meta is unchanged. Still Nemesis too, eh? How do we feel about Arthur now?

[worn solar]

aint it easier to aim piercing wave on kbm tho

well arthur is slow

[fading nymph]

idk

[worn solar]

so it struggles more at higher heat

with fo2 n stuff

[fading nymph]

I just know the little amount of them hate it

[inland path]

Also for new people cruel thrust DOES NOT apply for dash strikes on Stygius never use it

[fading nymph]

Arthur is good at low heat

[worn solar]

what about hybrid control users

[spare flare]

Right, okay. Still too slow, so the buff in that one patch didn't change enough. Hammer meta for it is still just the same?

[fading nymph]

Bad for speedruning and has a hard time at 40+ so it should be fine

dedge and shadow

are the two big ones

[spare flare]

Okay, same ol', same ol', then. Well, had to check! Thanks.

[fading nymph]

also dash nova bad

[inland path]

How does everyone get the best times on rail I just can’t use it

[worn solar]

lightning strike, jolted, tidal dash, damage special

[fading nymph]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[worn solar]

then if youre lucky you can get clockets and maybe stuff like smouldering air zeus call or splitting bolt or something

[fading nymph]

made for speed but still good

[worn solar]

good to watch a video

too

[inland path]

I have all aspects unlocked so that should help

[worn solar]

eris rail is whats used for speedrunning btw

[inland path]

Alr

[arctic charm]

I saw a 1200 critical when I punched an enemy into a sawblade in styx. Does this mean player initiated trap damage can crit from Pressure Points?

[fading nymph]

was it marked?

[proper furnace]

traps can crit with PP/hunter's mark yeah

(and maybe deadly reversal idk)

[spare flare]

You don't need to punch them in for your crit rate to count.

[hearty elbow]

Lol, weird that I'm still consistently learning things about this game

[bitter sandal]

what is some good duo boons to aim for with Demeter fist?anyone have suggestion on a good build?

[valid dagger]

-Classic Merciful End
-Smoldering Air
-Deadly Reversal is decent but I like the other 2 better, I don’t exactly aim for it

For Merciful End you’d want Ares on the attack, Athena on the Special, then you can get the actual Duo, you’ll want Athena’s dash and Impending Doom from Ares for it to truly pop off tho, poms on attack/impending doom are good, a pom or two on your special is also fine if you have Kinetic Launcher or Explosive Upper, Dash doesn’t need poms, a damage call should be fine if you get the chance to grab one (Dio, Zeus etc..)

For the Smoldering Air build I would go for Zeus on the attack, Aphrodite on the Special and Tidal dash for dmg, you could go for Divine Dash for safety, Static Discharge and a call are what you’ll be looking for after that, a call will open up Smoldering Air (Hades’ Keepsake doesn’t work), Zeus is preferred, helps you get Double Strike, alternatively you can get Poseidon’s + Rip current and some poms on that, it’s a bit cheesy but it’s good, and Dionysus is fine aswell

Also I just realized you could’ve read this instead #h1-builds-and-combat message

Nyaanyaa’s Demeter Aspect Guide

[bitter sandal]

nice..thanks a lot..i`m in a run now trying to get merciful end but i did get doom on special and athena on attack(you wrote the other way around)..but does it matter ?

[valid dagger]

Yes it does, your attack on fists is a much more reliable way to apply Doom

[bitter sandal]

okey.ty gonna keep that in mind

[worn solar]

fist special is a lot slower than the attack and you cant dash as quickly afterwards

[valid dagger]

The Special From Athena is only because it’s the only way to activate Mericful End

You don’t really use it to proc the dooms, you use your dash instead to do that

It’s just good burst dmg from time to time

[cunning urchin]

You always get a dash-strike if you dash out of a flurry slash; and if you just do a dash-strike, you always get a flurry slash right after.

Doesn't matter how quickly you let go. Can't stop the flurry from flurrying.

[bitter sandal]

what are the most effective aspect with shield? any one have tips for build? i have level 5 chaos but it feels slow.are the other better? what about beowulf?

[turbid needle]

The chaos aspect is the stinker of the shield aspects, as far as speed is concerned. Zeus and Beowulf are both much better, altho Beowulf is easier to do well with.

Beowulf has a few builds it can do, all involving the cast. Starting Aphrodite into Passion Flare, and look for Artemis and Poseidon for Mirage Shot/Heart Rend/Sweet Nectar, with a side of Demeter for Snowburst. You could also skip straight to Poseidon start for Flood Flare, and shoot for Mirage Shot by forcing Artemis. Both are on Infernal casts. There is a build for Stygian casts which is the Dionysus Flare build, Trippy Flare. Does the most damage, but really wants an extra cast stone from Chaos. Also pretty much only looks for Artemis and Poseidon for Mirage Shot, altho getting a Zeus dash for Scintillating Feast can be fun. Avoid Ice Wine because it adds a delay to the cast and can make it awkward

Cast builds only look for a few specific boons. Otherwise, you'll want a ton of poms into the cast, Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery from Hermes, Quick Reload into Bad News if going for the Trippy Flare build, and chaos boons. Those make a huge difference.

Note that the Chiron Hourglass keepsake is also a very potent keepsake come Elysium, or Asphodel if you are lucky with your gods, to snap pick Cast stones and Braids of Atlas from the Charon well. Those are huge boosts to any cast build, which Beowulf excels at

Hammers on Beowulf you'll want Charged Shot, no questions asked. It turns your already meaty bullrush into a literal truck, especially with the Dragon Rush Bonus. Also has the benefit of making the cast ranged, which is pretty nice too. Other notable hammers are Sudden Rush, for the extra charge speed, Breaching Rush because you'll want to dash-attack -> bullrush a ton for your cast combo, Ferocious Guard for the extra global damage and speed, Dashing Wallop for more range on the dash-attack is ok. Finally, Unyelding Defense to add the Sturdy buff after bullrushes to prevent being interrupted on hit is a nice Quality of Life hammer. Rest don't matter too much

BIG thing to note is that Mirage Shot on Beowulf is bugged : Instead of being the 30% it shows, it's 100% on the flares.

So it ends up literally doubling your casts

[cunning urchin]

With Passion Flare, I'd look for Snow Burst before Mirage Shot unless I already saw either Lady Artemis or Poseidon in Tartarus. But can't go wrong with either strategy.

[turbid needle]

Both are pretty solid, I'd agree

The Passion Flare -> Snowburst route could also consider taking Privileged Status over the usual Family Favorites

Peculiarly in high heat

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's probably the best strategy for boss fights at high heat.

Or really any time you do EM4.

[bitter sandal]

got it..some good tips,,thanks..trying a run with beowulf then:-)

[shell sleet]

oh wait does dragon rush also boost charged shot?

[turbid needle]

You bet

The range is ridiculous

And so is the damage

[shell sleet]

i thought charged shot was only good for the range, didnt realise it helped damage too

[turbid needle]

80 base damage that doesn't need to be fully charged is a ton

It's arguably the best shield hammer overall

And then Beowulf double downs on it

[cunning urchin]

I would take Unyielding Defense over Ferocious Guard in Passion Flare builds for better uptime and because Sturdy is even better if you already apply Weak.

[turbid needle]

With it's aspect bonus

[cunning urchin]

But if you have Hyper Sprint, Unyielding Defense doesn't matter.

[shell sleet]

so just to make sure, at max lv beowulf dragons rush charged shot would do 160 damage right (because of the 100% dragon rush damage and area bonus from the aspect level)

[lucid oar]

Yep

[turbid needle]

Yes

[shell sleet]

alright

[turbid needle]

Beowulf is also usually run with Fiery Presence

[shell sleet]

thats pretty crazy

[turbid needle]

Helps clear out Tartarus that much faster

And you don't care too much about backstabs otherwise

[shell sleet]

also isnt charged shot beo literally just superior hera bow

[turbid needle]

Sort of

[lucid oar]

Hera loads the casts quicker

[turbid needle]

Flurry Shot hera can do some mean things too

[lucid oar]

But you dont get huge AOE/bugged mirage

[shell sleet]

is it actually a bug that its 100% extra?

[turbid needle]

Yup

[shell sleet]

i thought it was intentional

[turbid needle]

Text says it's supposed to be 30%

[lucid oar]

It probably wasnt initially intentional

[turbid needle]

But it isn't

So

[lucid oar]

But they’ve not fixed it

And they do know about it

[turbid needle]

Assuming they do another content patch, which I wouldn't bet on

[cunning urchin]

At this point, fixing it would be a balance change.

They removed the patch notes from the title screen, so that seems very unlikely.

[turbid needle]

Best we can expect is an hotfix for a crash-inducing bug that was discovered late or something

[cunning urchin]

Very sure they're only fixing critical bugs like crashes etc. yeah.

Good indicator that the creative team is working on something else.

I was hoping for one last patch that fixes at least the text for some of the Beowulf bugs, but I guess that's not happening, either.

[turbid needle]

A little bit late on that, yeah

at 'least the Hades keepsake got nerfed lol

[cunning urchin]

lol

[turbid needle]

For the better or worse

But it was ridiculous

[cunning urchin]

I think the best hope for anything like that now is if they release the game on another platform in the future, they might fix a couple of those things at the same time.

[shell sleet]

wait what did it do before?

[turbid needle]

Instead of being a 2-charge aid

It was a 4-charge aid

So a lesser call is 25% of the bar instead of 50%

Still had the same bonus starting aid bar

[shell sleet]

oh damn

[cunning urchin]

Also, a popular strategy was getting Smoldering Air before Elysium, then selling your Call and equipping Hades' Aid.

[turbid needle]

^ peak Elysium clears right there

Just have it up for all the waves

Now it's only 1 wave, maybe 2 at best

And Styx is that extra bit more annoying unless you have Proud Bearing

For what it does, still a fine keepsake. Just not the best, most splash-able keepsake now

[bitter sandal]

@turbid needle if going for mirage shot should i go for artemis aid and a different boon for attack? or is artimes attack fine?

[cunning urchin]

If you're doing Flood Flare, get Deadly Strike.

Any other Cast, get Deadly Strike + Tempest Flourish (or Poseidon's Aid). But if you have Charged Shot, get Tidal Dash instead of Tempest Flourish.

[bitter sandal]

yes i have flood flare,then i go for deadly strike..thanks

[ebon jacinth]

any recommended builds for dementer?

[proper furnace]

The god or the fists?

[bitter sandal]

how does the mirage shot work? the description is a little confusing

[proper furnace]

When you shot a cast another one is shot at the same time

On flares you will see 2 explosions come from 1 cast

On demeter's crystal beam the crystal shoots 2 beams instead

[bitter sandal]

ahh okey..i see.ty

[ebon jacinth]

the fist. sorry for the late respond

[proper furnace]

#h1-builds-and-combat message demeter guide by nyaanyaa

[ebon jacinth]

ty

[little quiver]

so im kinda struggling with fists, so far my go to build was athena and ares duo, with athena dash to proc doom, but if i dont get the duo im kinda screwed :/

anybody got something thats easier to get going?

[cunning urchin]

Check the guide that SomeNoobDying just linked.

[bitter sandal]

any tips on Achilles spear also? is ice wine a good build for it?

[valid dagger]

Yes

[terse thistle]

I used Demeter and I found Artie Crits a good way to go. Forgot the remainder build but can’t go wrong with tidal/divine dash

[terse thistle]

Flurry jab and go from there.

[cunning urchin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit

That's a very powerful way to build it.

[wanton garnet]

What's a good build for chaos shield?

[bitter sandal]

awsome ..thanks guys

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish, Static Discharge, Smoldering Air.

[proven arrow]

whats your choice between delta chamber and flurry fire?

my 3rd choice is piercing fire that i find meh on eris

[proper furnace]

Delta imo, lets you keep i-frames on dash strike

[hearty elbow]

Wait really? That's amazing lol, didn't know that

[proper furnace]

Is fun with hazard bomb

[bronze marten]

If you I frame the hazard bomb, do you still get the buff from eris

[proper furnace]

yup

[hearty elbow]

You can also dash out of the range of your special right before it lands and still get the buff

Though in retrospect the timing on this is tight enough that you may just be iframing it

[proven arrow]

+2 cast or the recharging one when going for hestia/poseidon/beowulf?

my sample size is not big enough to tell whats better yet, but the bomb mobs in asphodel are rather annoying with their running away if i happen to miss and the cast goes to the moon

[hearty elbow]

That's not really a concern ever with Beowulf but yeah it's something to consider for Poseidon and Hera for sure

All 3 generally want Infernal Soul. Stygian is good for Trippy Shot builds but that really requires a Chaos extra cast to get going

[proven arrow]

is infernal the +2 one?

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

[worldly stream]

Anyone got any good zag aspect rail builds

[proper furnace]

Same build as eris or spread fire + artemis attack ig

ME always works

[hearty elbow]

Yeah basically this

[worldly stream]

Bearing in my mind I have not beaten the game

[hearty elbow]

Zeus attack (aiming for getting Static Discharge at some point), Tidal Dash, and either Aphrodite/Artemis special

[proper furnace]

Any % works too

[hearty elbow]

It's commonly abbreviated as ZAP

And is a very safe go-to build for most fast attack speed aspects

Yeah don't sweat about what goes in the special slot

Jolted from Static Discharge and Tidal Dash will be basically all of your damage

[white warren]

any tips on cracking hades' back like a twig

[fallow robin]

Don’t let him kill you

[hearty elbow]

It's... pretty hard to cheese Dad lol. Lots of phases, so even with a great build you're still going to have to play the game. Just improve mechanically and do better the next time 🙂

[proven arrow]

dodging behind him helps me

instead of away

when he does the spin

[fallow robin]

Being pretty new to the game and having just cleared 16 heat across the board, I’ve cracked Hades the most by attempting to repeat exact builds until I get the winning result

It is a game that rewards the insanity method

[hearty elbow]

I guess. Rewards whatever method you happen to learn best on.

[white warren]

well i wasnt asking for cheese just tips like dodge behind him

or cry

[fallow robin]

What weapons are you playing with?

[worn solar]

you can hug him even during his 360° laser attack and you wont get damaged if close enuff

[white warren]

really

[worn solar]

ye

lemme find a video

@white warren https://imgur.com/a/N0FucPT

[white warren]

what phase is that holy crap

[hearty elbow]

LOL be careful of stuff like casting when you're mid hug. It sends you slightly backwards, and is almost always enough to pop you out of the range

Second phase of second phase

[polar python]

Question: Can you get duo boons in a trial room in Tartarus?

[hearty elbow]

no

[proper furnace]

Trials cant get duos

[polar python]

I thought maybe not

Ta

I won't bother rolling for it then

[proper furnace]

Still can get legendaries tho

[worn solar]

2

well technically maybe not two

that mightve been spoiling

[valid dagger]

4

[polar python]

Next question: does empowered shot on Hestia count as a dash strike if you do it while dashing?

[proper furnace]

Ye

[valid dagger]

Yes

[worn solar]

ye

[polar python]

If so Hunter Dash looks tasty

Yay

[worn solar]

now get epic chaos lunge

[hearty elbow]

A little overkill on single target damage though. Tidal Dash, or even Passion Dash would help kill little dudes a lot more efficiently

[polar python]

And there goes Meg

I'm going for Dionysus on special cluster bombs

[worn solar]

hestia kinda deletes furies no matter what you get on it

[worn solar]

dio special a but wasted especially with clockets

like a full clocket barrage is 400 damage i think

[polar python]

I'm doing it for the duo potential

Hungover take more damage

[valid dagger]

% Special gud

[worn solar]

clockets already instakill most things lol

by the time you get a crit, everything is ded

[hearty elbow]

Lol, I like how people suggest % damage on cluster rockets as if things aren't just going to get instantly deleted anyway even boonless

[worn solar]

tbh lol

[polar python]

I'm thinking ahead to Dad (EM4)

[white warren]

how many phases are there

[proper furnace]

Normally 2

[hearty elbow]

2, or 5 depending on your outlook

[valid dagger]

Or 7

[hearty elbow]

really any prime number

[valid dagger]

[worn solar]

something like that lol

[hearty elbow]

but yeah, phase 1 has 3 mini phases, phase 2 has 2 mini phases

[worn solar]

so 5 stacks of hangover on splitting headache is 7.5% crit chance right

[hearty elbow]

yeah

[worn solar]

so 15% to global damage increase

[valid dagger]

What

[hearty elbow]

(that's just how the math works out, they're right)

[worn solar]

just 2 times the crit chance for average increase to damage output

more if like heartrend or clean kill

[hearty elbow]

well... """more""" if clean kill

[valid dagger]

Oh

[worn solar]

30% op

[polar python]

Does crit chance have a cap (other than 100% )

[proper furnace]

Nope

Pommed hunter's mark can guaranteed crits

[polar python]

I thought hunters mark was the chance of applying the crit status, not the crit chance.

If someone is marked I thought they always got a crit next shot

[proper furnace]

Hunters mark increases crit chance against the marked enemies

The mark appears when you first do a crit

[polar python]

Right, but pomming it only increases the chance someone is marked

Not the crit chance itself I thought

[proper furnace]

"after you do critical dmg to an enemy, a nearby foe is marked"

[ebon jacinth]

any recommended builds for achilles the spear?

[polar python]

So against Dad (e.g. EM4) doesn't it do very little after the first phase since there aren't other enemies to kill to proc marking Dad

[proper furnace]

Pretty much

You can use the skulls to mark him

[polar python]

Oh, have I been misreading it as the mark chance..

Ah good point about the skulls

They still count

[proper furnace]

Tidal dash, lightning strike/deadly strike then corresponding supports (hunter's mark/static discharge)

Best hammer is flurry jab

[ebon jacinth]

aight thx alot

[proper furnace]

Otherwise defaults to cast builds

Picking a cast is always good on achilles

[ebon jacinth]

oh k

[polar python]

Achilles is my least favourite spear.

[ebon jacinth]

i just got it

and maxed it

[polar python]

So I also end up with a cast build

[proper furnace]

Cadt builds are fun tbf

[polar python]

I mean it's good if you want a cast build

[proper furnace]

Needs quite a lot to work but is so fun

[ebon jacinth]

ill try zeus and poseiden

[polar python]

But you might as well have a note from Hades saying "this is weapon so cast build is yes"

[ebon jacinth]

and maybe ares

[proper furnace]

Ares cast works great for achilles

Hunting blades fun

[ebon jacinth]

aight

ill try it now

[polar python]

Big hunting blades are good.

[ebon jacinth]

so should i try to get ares cast first?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[polar python]

Remember Artemis for the duo

[proper furnace]

If you got artemis natural in tartarus adding poseidon for mirage shot can be fun

Not needed but doesnt hurt

[polar python]

And by fun you mean ridiculous op

Does hunting blades stack with Demeter duo?

[proper furnace]

Nope

Cant get them both

[polar python]

I've never tried

Shame

[proper furnace]

Same for cold embrace/crystal clarity

I still want to know why CoD blocks mirage shot tho

[bitter sandal]

what is the best sword aspect?anyone have a good build?

[split radish]

it depends on your preference, I think Nemesis is probably the best, try to get Artemis attack and Aphro special (or the other way around) and Heart Rend or just good old Merciful End.

[proper furnace]

aphro attack + zeus call into smoldering air also works

[split radish]

yeah

[bitter sandal]

ok..gonna try it.i have only played Poseidon but feels slow

[worn solar]

merciful end without merciful end works too

[tawny forum]

is it just me or is charon fight harder than the final boss

[worn solar]

can be. you dont get many chances to practice against charon and its the same fight whether you fight him in tartarus or elysium while his damage and health are scaled for the more elysium side of the spectrum. also like he just does a heck ton of damage if you get hit and you dont get to use acorn

[tawny forum]

his sweeping attacks are a lot faster than most bosses too it feels like to me

and yea the lack of acorn is really tough

[worn solar]

it can be hard to see the tells when he spawns projectiles too which does hurt quite a lot

[tawny forum]

plus im pretty sure he does more base damage than hades’ attacks

[worn solar]

yep

[sterile fiber]

he has more dmg but I think Hades has higher attack speed

[worn solar]

also dad does double damage if you eat a skull

[tawny forum]

ohhh i didnt know that

huh

ill have to remember that one

[sterile fiber]

Or dad just initiates more attacks per unit time

[rose siren]

if u turn on heightened security, the green jars hit for 150, and HL5 hades hit 120 spear without skull effect

[shell sleet]

what do people run for a hestia build

[proper furnace]

Aphro attack + zeus call into smoldering air and tidal dash for AoE ig

Attack/dash strike from chaos is good

Hammers: hazard, rocket, cluster, targetting are good

[worn solar]

or just get clockets and win automatically

[gusty rapids]

piercing, ricochet also good

[proper furnace]

Too much eris, forgot those hammers

[worn solar]

dio attack tbh aint bad at higher heat

[proper furnace]

To clear dc2 ig?

[worn solar]

deals with smaller enemies and strips dc

yeah

/savior

[proper furnace]

Good target for poms too

[fallow robin]

Managed my first 24 clear on Eris tonight, hoping I can hit 32 tomorrow or so

[bronze marten]

24 to 32 is a big jump but Eris is so busted you’re probably fine

[shell sleet]

clockets hestia just seems like worse eris

i want a build that actually uses the hestia mechanics and not just budget eris

[worn solar]

well the mechanics of hestia is kinda just simply do a buncha burst damage. like you just get aphro attack or any decent attack boon and then youre already done and you move on to grabbing other stuff aka special damage, calls, whatever unless a chaos lunge or hyperdelivery decides to show up.

[gusty rapids]

if you want to see the absolute biggest numbers you can go artemis on attack

then with some chaos, or rush delivery, or things like hydraulic might or battle rage, you can see up to 3k+ crits

gets pretty funny

[worn solar]

funny heart rend strats

just do 1000s of damage and absolutely annihilate those rats

[hearty elbow]

Those small rats know what they've done

[hearty elbow]

Pfft, dummy thicc Deadly Triple Point Blank Rama on a pile of rats says otherwise. Rama definitely cheats that game though lol

[bitter sandal]

is there a good rama build though? and is it worth upgrading since people mostly spam special it seems..i tried it with dio special and dash-attack artimes and got splitting headache duo and it worked pretty well..

[worn solar]

rama is best when you do actually use the attack which benefits quite a bit from upgrading it. generally its getting a high damage attack like aphro/artemis plus a non dmg% special like zeus, dio, dem, ares

double shot and triple shot are your go to hammers

[arctic charm]

How does blitz disc interact with Ares's Battle Rage (when you kill an enemy, your next special deals increased damage)

Does it increase the damage of the currently released blitz disc? If you kill someone and throw the disc and run around, does the disc do increased damage as long as it doesn't return to you?

[worn solar]

first hit

[arctic charm]

I see TY. So every time it kills it re-applies the bonus? And this means the visual effect is misleading right?

[worn solar]

should

i just used the power of the search bar and baj says its crap

[proven osprey]

You'll get one tick of buffed damage yeah

[edgy steppe]

@turbid needle how is charged shot looking for 60+ heat zeus?

if anyone else knows something about high heat zeus, feel free to answer

[worn solar]

well charged shot makes you instantly lose i frames on releasing attack so maybe not ideal

but idk. highest ive done is 40 heat zeus and 50 beo

[edgy steppe]

i saw baj praising it earlier, but im not sure what heat he was talking about

I always thought it was one of the best hammers, but i saw yck specifically avoiding it in his world record run. He completely skipped second hammer to avoid the possibility of getting it.

maybe baj was talking beo specifically

[worn solar]

charged shot is one of the best shield hammers when you dont rely as much on bullrush iframes because of the high base damage and range ig

beo is a lot more charge attack reliant so mightve been mostly regarding beo

[edgy steppe]

ig u need every iframe u can get at wr/near wr heat

[worn solar]

yeah you kinda have only one dash and die instantly lol

[edgy steppe]

i play mostly chaos shield rn, been thinking about picking up zeus, it seems way more fluid

but i hear its hard

[worn solar]

it requires quite a bit of work getting that shield to go where you want

[edgy steppe]

it seems to mostly stay at melee range when they play, i assume they are just spamming it for explosive return procs

[worn solar]

beo is very strong at, under 50 heat and easier for me to use generally

[edgy steppe]

i've done a fair bit with all the shield aspects, but chaos was my favorite. I never had good luck with cast builds for some reason, they offer ridiculous damage, but i cant be as consistent with them

it was my favorite cast build though

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Aspect without a lot of practice is probably still better than Chaos Aspect. It's hard to be optimal with it, but it's not hard to have success with it.

[edgy steppe]

well then, since the patron saint of hades says to keep trying zeus out, i will keep trying zeus out

thank you, both of you

[worn solar]

tbh i tried chaos like twice and really didnt like how slow it kills things lol

[cunning urchin]

The patron saint of Hades? Who would that be?

[edgy steppe]

u sir

[edgy steppe]

it does not do a lot of burst damage, but it has enough DPS to clear td3 pretty comfotably

[cunning urchin]

Ma'am*

Well, there's a new title I hadn't heard yet.

[edgy steppe]

mb ma'am

[cunning urchin]

Any aspect has enough DPS to clear TD3 comfortably.

[edgy steppe]

honestly though, you have good guides everywhere, its been great recognizing you in multiple places in the community, and always with good advice

[cunning urchin]

Ty ty.

[edgy steppe]

and yeah, thats a pretty low bar as far as aspects go now that i think about it

[shell sleet]

whats a good build for chaos shield?

[edgy steppe]

my preferred playstyle is throwing hangover and doom on everything and hiding behind the shield until its time to re-apply

worked well for 32 heat, idk if it holds up well above that

dio on the special, ares on the attack

[worn solar]

or just do ME

[shell sleet]

nyaanyaa do you happen to have a chaos shield guide

[edgy steppe]

aphro on the dash if you want more duo boon chances

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish, Static Discharge, and get Smoldering Air.

Nope.

[shell sleet]

id rather not do ME because i usually only get it in styx

[edgy steppe]

zeus works better probably, but you dont get to see the damage numbers pop up while being defensive

[cunning urchin]

And get Explosive Return.

[shell sleet]

will thunder flourish proc multiple times on 1 throw though?

[worn solar]

do you not have dark foresight and fated persuasion

[edgy steppe]

depends on the bounce

[cunning urchin]

Not on the same enemy.

[shell sleet]

i do but only 2 rolls on persuasion

[worn solar]

theres the whole internal cooldown like 0.2s or something

[shell sleet]

hmm yeah

[cunning urchin]

0.2s per enemy, yeah.

[edgy steppe]

yeah, it can proc once on the way out and once coming back, but its rare

[shell sleet]

i put zeus spec on zeus shield anyways so ill try something else for this

ill go doom

and if i happen to get ME then ill take it

[cunning urchin]

asks me for guide
doesn't follow my recommendation

[shell sleet]

[unreal tree]

Meanwhile chiron

[edgy steppe]

or my inferior guide 😦

[worn solar]

half the time i get ME before elysium and slightly less than half the time i dont get it at all

[edgy steppe]

@unreal tree thats me for guan yu

[unreal tree]

Guan yu has damage

Just get charged skewer

[cunning urchin]

Chiron does TD3 comfortably.

[unreal tree]

Not with high JS

[cunning urchin]

It's only when you add a bunch of other things it becomes a problem.

Drunken Flourish can handle high JS reasonably well, at least.

[edgy steppe]

took me 40 minutes for my first and only clear on that weapon, it was the most painful experience i've ever had in hades. 10 of those were in the final fight. never going back

[unreal tree]

It has an inability to deal with flame wheels

[edgy steppe]

just spam the normal special

or dash attacks

[unreal tree]

DC2

[worn solar]

lol were you spamming spin attacks?

[cunning urchin]

That's when Flamewheel Release comes into play.

[worn solar]

the spin is a trap tbh

[cunning urchin]

The spin is good.

[worn solar]

used sparingly though

[unreal tree]

Just special-dash strike dash strike

[edgy steppe]

sort of, special was most of my damage, but i needed the spin to stay alive

[cunning urchin]

Spin builds can be great.

You kind of see what you get first hammer and then lean into that.

And, I don't think a 40m clear can be blamed on a weapon.

[edgy steppe]

honestly i probably played the whole thing terribly, but i dont really want to risk going thru that again lol

[worn solar]

quick and massive spin is pretty nice when theres hordes even with fo2 tbh

[edgy steppe]

that was at least 90% user error

[cunning urchin]

There's also that other spin hammers. That also does things. Allegedly.

[edgy steppe]

i just dont use the spear much at all, so i doubt i've improved

[cunning urchin]

If your fundamentals improved, you should be doing a lot better.

[worn solar]

just get charged skewer and pretend youre playing with the bow

[edgy steppe]

yeah that would work

[worn solar]

except like dash strikes between specials

and like the whole having no health thing. but the hit box of the special is kinda huge af

[unreal tree]

More like hestia

[edgy steppe]

actually though, how is hestia so stupid strong

boonless clears on that weapon are a joke

[worn solar]

big safe damage go brrr

[edgy steppe]

even when you crank the heat a bit

[shell sleet]

ok i got ME in tartarus by accident

[worn solar]

for some reason 40 heat boonless on hestia was my rail pb for awhile. though tbh i wasnt doing much speed running with eris

[edgy steppe]

lmao

[cunning urchin]

Hestia and I still hold the WR for boonless mirrorless.

2nd place is...

err...

There is no 2nd place.

[edgy steppe]

oh, i might have to try

you hold the record by time or by heat?

[cunning urchin]

Both, I guess?

[edgy steppe]

i suppose that is true

[worn solar]

actually i do a whole lot of weird crap with hestia...

[cunning urchin]

I don't recommend you try beating my WR.

[worn solar]

wait do you have the world record for ri4 em4 fo2 32 heat hestia also

[edgy steppe]

wait, it was on the test branch, doesnt count

i disqualify you, now we are tied

[cunning urchin]

Hang on, I'll ask the manager of the leaderboard if the run is legal.

[edgy steppe]

oh wait

[cunning urchin]

@cunning urchin is the mirrorless boonless run by Nyaanyaa Mewmew on the leaderboard legal?

@cunning urchin yes, thanks for asking.

[edgy steppe]

lmao

[unreal tree]

[edgy steppe]

btw, how do you actually do a boonless run consistently? It requires so much rng in styx. I feel like not even a 50/50

[worn solar]

fated authority

[unreal tree]

Just get the 54%

[cunning urchin]

You don't. You reset if it doesn't work out.

[worn solar]

smh

for 32 heat boonless hestia i got a five sack

[cunning urchin]

It's not required that you don't get boons, anyway.

[worn solar]

rerolled all three boon doors

[cunning urchin]

The requirement is that you don't benefit from boons.

[edgy steppe]

oh that is true i guess

[cunning urchin]

So if you take a Special boon, you unbind Special.

[edgy steppe]

could you take say arti dash if you were really careful not to land a dash strike?

[cunning urchin]

Well, don't have to unbind it, but it prevents accidentally using it.

You could. Probably not worth the trouble.

[edgy steppe]

of course

but in a situation like that, might be better than PP

coming up with random hypotheticals clearly makes me a good hades player

but yeah, i might have to try for a second place

[cunning urchin]

Leaderboard starts at 32 anyway.

[edgy steppe]

oh 😦

so a hypothetical 31 heat boonless mirrorless run would not take second place?

wow i need to learn how to type

[cunning urchin]

It wouldn't qualify for the high heat leaderboard.

[unreal tree]

[edgy steppe]

alright, time to try a 57 heat chaos run to remind myself how hard world records are

[valid dagger]

[edgy steppe]

yeah, world records are hard

can confirm

[cunning urchin]

@lucid ferry can you add an exception on the high heat leaderboard for challenge runs to allow runs below 32 Heat?

Seems like it would be easy to implement.

[edgy steppe]

trying to protect your 1st place?

actually though, thank you

[cunning urchin]

Keep talking like that and I beat all your PBs for fun.

[edgy steppe]

u already did lol

the zeus shield build is crazy

i got epic zeus call level 3, epic jolted, and explosive return by the end of tartarus

the damage is insane and i have no idea what i am doing

but occasionally i press the buttons right and everything dies instantly

i still dont know which way is the right way

just that i do it sometimes

[cunning urchin]

lol good.

[edgy steppe]

doesnt really matter though, still died in elysium. 32 heat is probably to hard to start with for a new weapon aspect, especially considering thats my PB rn

[cunning urchin]

Nah, if you died in Elysium, that's perfectly fine.

Just do another one.

[edgy steppe]

ok

will report back when i beat baj's PB

[cunning urchin]

You're better off learning an aspect when there's a challenge. If you're not challenged, you don't really learn what works and what doesn't because you can make so many mistakes and still win a run.

[proven arrow]

How to go about choosing boons/keepsakes if i wanna try for the doom/deflect duo?

[edgy steppe]

thank you for typing that out. It should be intuitively obvious but a lot of the time im too failure-adverse to have that mindset. I will remember that for the future.

[turbid needle]

chose athena and ares keepsakes

usually its ares atk athena special amd athena dash

attack and special may be swapped depending on the aspect

[cunning urchin]

Usually you want start with getting Doom first, so you can get early poms on it for the damage. Even if you don't end up getting Merciful End, you'll have decent damage that way.

If you don't get poms on your Doom and don't get Impending Doom, you can end up with relatively low damage even with Merciful End.

[hearty elbow]

ME builds typically have this as a hard priority list (as in, if given the option between any of these boons, pick higher up on the list): Curse of Agony > Divine Flourish > Merciful End > Divine Dash (this is much easier to get again than Merciful End) > Impending Doom

You either want extra dashes or Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery.

[proven arrow]

Ty, will try it out once i get home

[cunning urchin]

Picking up Dire Misfortune is nice before you get Merciful End, but after you have Merciful End, it doesn't really do anything.

[hearty elbow]

Fortunately it can't be pommed

So it's relatively free

[cunning urchin]

Meanwhile, you typically want to avoid Impending Doom until you have Merciful End.

[hearty elbow]

Have you done that in practice? Passing on Impending Doom when offered after you fail to reroll for ME 2 times seems miserable lol.

I mean, I agree but it's like, you still need it to deal reasonable damage in the end unless you have a million poms. Man I hate ME

[cunning urchin]

Depends. I'll take it at high heat because I care more for boss fights than IGT.

[bitter sandal]

what is best for chiron bow,relentless or consentrated volly?

[cunning urchin]

What's your build?

Relentless has almost always worked out better for me tbh.

But if you're doing a Drunken Flourish build, you don't really get much at all from Relentless Volley, so might as well take Concentrated.

A Concentrated Volley that perfectly hits does more damage than Relentless Volley.

But the thing is it usually doesn't hit perfectly.

[bitter sandal]

i have only special and going for aphorodite attack

[cunning urchin]

Well, what Special?

[bitter sandal]

artemis

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I'd take Relentless Volley.

[bitter sandal]

thanks

[cunning urchin]

There are rumors that Relentless Volley has a longer animation, but I've yet to see any evidence of that. People just say it does without showing proof lol.

I don't believe it.

[valid dagger]

So they can be quite close in terms of dmg?

I always thought Concentrated is way superior

[cunning urchin]

I can only speak from personal experience that Relentless tends to work out better for me in runs.

[valid dagger]

Fair

[cunning urchin]

It's a reasonable hypothesis that Concentrated is better because it has greater damage potential on single targets, but that hasn't held up for me.

[proven arrow]

Tips for gilgamesh? Bought them, and from my fairly limited experience i can say i prefer zag aspect but maim does some dmg on bosses

Plume seems overpowered tbh, but ive just done up to like h12

[cunning urchin]

The most successful Gilgamesh builds have been Merciful End builds and Dash builds with some Smoldering Air thrown in.

[proven arrow]

What did smoldering air do?

[shell sleet]

you gain call gauge very fast but its capped at 25%

i think its like 4ish seconds to get 25%

[proven arrow]

Oooh, right it is broken with nearly permanent charm, had it once

[proper furnace]

Smoldering is great in pretty much anything (not you artemis)

[unreal tree]

I frames babyyyy

[proper furnace]

Thats all the calls tho not like an artemis exclusive

[bronze marten]

Artemis call w heart rend is pretty nice v dad if you don’t have smoldering

[polar python]

Question: does explosive fire reduce your attack strength when using Hestia?

It just feels like I'm not doing as much damage after taking it

[proper furnace]

Doesnt reduce it afaik
Maybe check your boons if you lost a bonus dmg or smth

[wanton garnet]

Do the Ares boons that affect Slicing shot also affect the Ares dash?

[cunning urchin]

Yes. But Vicious Cycle will only do +1 damage per hit instead of +2.

[hearty elbow]

Lol... Blade Rifts are some of the least consistent things in the game. It's super case by case.

Iirc:

Slicing shot: Affected by everything
Blade Dash: Does not work with Hunting Blades... and I don't think it Viciously Cycles? I could actually be wrong on this, it may behave like the call
Ares' Aid: Does not hunt (duh), does Viciously Cycle

I don't play with Blade Rifts enough to know how Engulfing Vortex or Black Metal work with the different cores lol. Also none of this matters with Slicing Flare

I think lmao

[proper furnace]

ares legendary does nothing on flare yeah ww

[shell sleet]

i think the one that increases the size affects all blade rifts

[cunning urchin]

Hunting Blades and Frozen Vortex specify Slicing Shot. All the bladerift boons work with all of the bladerifts but Vicious Cycle only adds +1 to Cast and Dash and doesn't work at all with Slicing Flare (Beowulf).

[bronze marten]

ares bad? 😦

tho he def feels underwhelming and homing meme beams > homing rifts

[cunning urchin]

His Call certainly is.

His other boons are pretty good.

[hearty elbow]

Slicing Shot with Hunting Blades is great, but then you have to pick Slicing Shot

So...

[proven arrow]

15% to charm in tartarus on my pink special with chiron.... hmm

[proper furnace]

charm theseus when he calls a god if you can

and keep asterius alive

[proven arrow]

i mean the legendary 15% to charm

not the call

havent had a legendary in tartarus before

[proper furnace]

you are using chiron is pretty much guaranteed

but if you have the chance to do it just try it

the theseus call will bully asterius

[sterile fiber]

Yeah with 5 shots it's a 50:50

I got Tartarus legendary in like... 2 times over 300+ hours?

[proven arrow]

i just charmed a witch in the witch room in asphodel and it killed itself when casting the purple balls

lmao

[proper furnace]

oh yeah the witches do that

[proven arrow]

do armored mobs count as undamaged if their hp is full but armor isnt?

[hearty elbow]

no

Losing a blue heart is still undamaged though

[proper furnace]

does exploding launcher backstab? i assume no

[cunning urchin]

I think so.

[proven arrow]

40% cast damage or +1 cast on poseidon stygian with athena cast

from chaos

[worn solar]

+1 cast ig since the 40% is additive with other stuff

[ebon jacinth]

any recommended builds for arthur and guan yu?

[proper furnace]

#h1-discussion message guan yu guide by nyaanyaa @ebon jacinth

[ebon jacinth]

k thx

[proven osprey]

Special double dash strike. Anything on special that's a %. Charged skewer is salvation. Spinning is a trap unless you're experienced. Line up enemies

[edgy steppe]

sudden rush or charged shot for a standard zeus shield zeus special build?

[fallow robin]

Arthur - health - just health

[worn solar]

prolly charged

[edgy steppe]

i have explosive return if that matters

[worn solar]

sudden wont be very useful since the regular bullrush doesnt do much damage and youre mostly just using it regularly for blocking

[edgy steppe]

explosive return is the best hammer for this build, right?

[worn solar]

that or charged ig

[edgy steppe]

ty

[edgy steppe]

ok

that was the easiest 32 heat of my life

final stage of hades took literally 1 second

[edgy steppe]

@worn solar any comments on my heat setup? Advice on what to add to hit 40?

[worn solar]

uh heres what i did if that helps https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/895488051608944660/unknown.png

tbh could get rid of cf2 and do js2 or something

hm yeah basically exactly your pact but max out hl and td and add fo2

[edgy steppe]

Thanks man!

I’ve been trying to avoid maxing things that make the dad fight harder, because I’m so used to using DD as my cushion for that fight

So with SD, I have a lot less health to work with, and giving him lots of damage and speed is scary

I guess I will have to get used to it

[worn solar]

yeah thats why i use acorn for dad

helps a lot to get patty in elysium

[edgy steppe]

Yeah, I usually use it too

[worn solar]

and athena dds

otherwise it can get pretty tricky

[edgy steppe]

Figured I didn’t need it for this build lol

[worn solar]

yeah splitting bolt zeus shield with hyperdelivery lmao

[edgy steppe]

Oh that’s right, forgot how Athena DD worked with SD

When I first did 32 heat, I took SD, hated it, and just beat it with DD and some other pact options

So I barely have any experience with it

[tawny forum]

is aspect of guan yu good?

[worn solar]

not really. its decently powerful with the right hammers but the max health cost isnt particularly warranted for that and the healing on spin attack doesnt really make up for it either.

[tawny forum]

alright thank you

[worn solar]

since you're left pretty vulnerable while charging it up which makes it not suited for beginners generally

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike Guan Yu is honestly a really safe build, but not really at Lv.1.

[worn solar]

i should learn that funny spin tech stuff

when quick spin crossed out

wait a sec i shouldve grabbed breaching im dumb

[cunning urchin]

I don't think Breaching Skewer is very good tbh.

It's good if you already have Charged Skewer.

[worn solar]

yeah i do

for some reason i grabbed winged serpent

well its decent ig

[cunning urchin]

Also Guan Yu is actually really good up to like 32ish

Lol I think Winged Serpent is maybe the worst hammer for Guan Yu.

The more I take it, the less I like it.

[worn solar]

the extra distance kinda doesnt do anything when it goes right past everything

reee lvl 1 40 heat guan yu and made it to champs

watch as i die

immediately

i timed out

couldve gone better

[hearty elbow]

That's because it does like literally nothing in practice lol

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu's unique hammer enhances the spin (or try to)

While quick and massive spin are infinitely better

Is not that funny

[proven osprey]

It's pretty good for Lernie because the boss is kinda hard when your health total is like 20 hp

Won't carry a run but super comfy for Tartarus and Asphodel

[unreal tree]

But you want charged first anyway

[bitter sandal]

is the hidden rail aspect any good? is eris the best?

[cunning urchin]

It's very good. Eris and Hestia are generally better.

But Lucifer is very good.

[bitter sandal]

cool.. then i invest 3 blood to try ,what is some good boons?

[valid dagger]

I build it like I would build Eris

[hearty elbow]

It tries its best. Its best is just... not that good

[valid dagger]

Zeus on the attack, Some % on the Special, and Tidal dash or Divine Dash for safety

Zeus Call Smoldering air gud

Triple Bomb gud

[hearty elbow]

It's okay if you have Massive Spin I guess lol, but even with Quick Spin, Winged Serpent just floats off into space after hitting the enemy like 3 times.

Then you get hit and lose your SD because you used spin during combat

But that's more or less a me problem lol

[bitter sandal]

does the refreshing nectar give higher % to get duo?

[proper furnace]

Yup (idk exact amount but it helps)

[bitter sandal]

thanks.

[hearty elbow]

Every rarity thing is 10% for duos/legendaries (unless it specifically says it's for one of the rarities, like Olympian Favor/God's Pride

[brisk carbon]

OK, noob here. I have managed to escape with all the infernal arms except for the bow. I can't seem to use it well enough when I'm surrounded by enemies. I try to do dash-shooting and that makes it a little faster to draw the bow but aside from that, are there any additional things that I should be aware of? I haven't had a chance to research the answers yet myself but will look into the wikis too for sure.

[fallow robin]

Bows really shine when fully upgraded, for one. I’d invest plenty of Titan Blood into them

[brisk carbon]

Oh!

[cunning urchin]

If you're using base bow, there's not really anything else to it except find your rhythm to land dash-strike Power Shots reliably. It'll take some practice.

[brisk carbon]

So do I need to unlock each Aspect to get to the last one?

[cunning urchin]

Hera is very powerful even at Lv.1.

[brisk carbon]

Ohhh...

[cunning urchin]

Requirements for hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[brisk carbon]

Thanks! I'll check that out!

Here's another noob question... At the end of the game when you get the victory screen, there are the list of boons that you got and when you click on each you get a little circular looking icon next to it. What is that? I can't figure out what selecting different boons do...

[cunning urchin]

That's just to pin them to the screen for screenshots.

You can open your boon menu at any time during the run and do the same thing.

[fallow robin]

If you are struggling with positioning on the bow, too, I recommend going with Poseidon Special/Dash/Cast to force enemies where you want

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't recommend Tempest Flourish or any Flourish at all on bow unless you're playing Chiron or the hidden aspect.

And Cast rarely matters.

Tidal Dash is excellent, though. Only hurts if you get Triple Shot.

[brisk carbon]

Ohhh.... Duh. Thanks!

[fallow robin]

More of a learning tool than an optimized strat, is what I mean

[cunning urchin]

You're better off just dashing or running away than standing still shooting a Tempest Flourish with the bow.

[brisk carbon]

Thank you both for the tips!!

I can't wait to get off work and try this

[sterile fiber]

yeah base bow special is rarely used apart from some situations

(like a room full of cloner numbskulls with Thunder Flourish)

[proper furnace]

speaking of bow special how good is charged volley?

[sterile fiber]

Not sure about optimality but it can be fun

stand right next to an enemy and get everything to hit

[lucid oar]

It used to be a lot better

Before 1.37

[sterile fiber]

it's Triple Shot at home

[cunning urchin]

Charged Volley can be decent if you get it first hammer and focus on it, especially if you can get some Flourish boons from Master Chaos.

Can be your best choice sometimes.

[hearty elbow]

Charged Volley so sick against Lernie heads if you have a special boon lol

[worn solar]

just ignore the attack and special and get all your damage from dash and call https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/896684057654616104/unknown.png

idk even how this worked

[proper furnace]

does dio call charges itself? considering the hangover doing dmg after it finishes

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, the Hangover ticks charge god gauge after the Call is finished.

[lucid oar]

What are you using right now?

[proven arrow]

triple bomb vs cluster bomb if i already got a rocket special?

[lucid oar]

Cluster

If you have cluster + rocket, the -30% from cluster doesn’t apply

So it’s 5x damage

[turbid needle]

eris with zap is easy fast times

zeus attack, artemis special and pos dash

[cunning urchin]

I think probably Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, Hera, Demeter, and Eris are the easiest to go fast with for each weapon.

Nemesis: Merciful End or Heart Rend (Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish)
Achilles: Tidal Dash + Deadly Strike (with Hunter's Mark) or Lightning Strike (with Static Discharge)
Beowulf: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing
Hera: <#h1-discussion message>
Demeter: Merciful End
Eris: https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[fair tree]

first time playing hades in a long time, what should I run

i have i think 2 hidden aspects, sword and gun

what cast should i go for with hera bow

[worn solar]

aphrodite

unless using stygian soul. then do dio

[cunning urchin]

I linked a Hera guide just above your message.

[worn solar]

lmao

[fair tree]

whats stigian soul

[worn solar]

cast regens

instead of having to pick it up

[fair tree]

ah

no im using normal cast

[bitter sandal]

what is the a effective way to play lucifer? do i need to max it ? also i tried it on skelly and and it seems that the special only detonate when i am using cast not attack as it say in the info

[worn solar]

@bitter sandal its kinda bad so just get all your damage from dash call and cast instead

but uh to be serious

the special detonates pretty much from just doing damage to it with anything

like your dash boon can proc it, it can proc itself with thunder florish, attack, cast, etc works

the special wont be particularly useful unless you get a good hammer for it aka triple bomb

for attack you generally want zeus

so just go zeus attack, aphro special, and grab smouldering air and a good call

also get tidal dash for good supplemental damage

[proper furnace]

Eris rail but instead you have a laser gun

[worn solar]

idk even how that run was a sub 12....

[hearty elbow]

More importantly, the special detonates by doing another special, which is a godsend for controller players with Auto Aim lol

Because try hitting a bomb with Lucifer in a busy room

[worn solar]

yep. kinda need triple bomb tho

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

Triple Bomb is kind of just better than the rest of Lucifer combined

[bitter sandal]

okey,,thanks guys

[worn solar]

triple bomb swift flourish lmao

[proven arrow]

is it intended for aphro cast to miss when i shoot an enemy with hera aspect?

sometimes it hits and sometimes it doesnt

[fair tree]

what kinda setup do i wanna run on guan yu

[worn solar]

using blown kiss?

[valid dagger]

#h1-discussion message Guan Yu guide by Nyaanyaa

[worn solar]

that messes it up majorly

[sterile fiber]

I think you need to aim just short of the enemy for it to hit

[proven arrow]

then it sucks i got the no charging attack hammer

[sterile fiber]

Nyaanyaa is most likely the expert on this

[worn solar]

flurry works fine on hera

you might just be missing since its harder to lock on without the charging time

[hearty elbow]

Lol, Flurry is good on Hera but if you miss (especially in Asphodel LOL)

[worn solar]

dash striking with flurry might help for more aim assist... i think...

[proven arrow]

i dont mean miss like completely miss, arrow hits a mob but the cast part doesnt

and the autoaim on controller very rarely misses

[hearty elbow]

It misses on ranged aspects basically 100% of the time if they're travelling perpendicular to you lol. Most noticable on EM3 Theseus

[worn solar]

you sure you dont have blown kiss?

[hearty elbow]

This might also be affected by FO2 though.

[worn solar]

hmm yeah could be running out before the cast portion hits too

[proven arrow]

i do

[worn solar]

well... thats why then

blown kiss moves the hit box in front of the arrow

[hearty elbow]

I thought they fixed the blown kiss + hera nombo

[worn solar]

i tried it like idk a month ago? definitely didnt work. kinda havent had patches recently either

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, must be misremembering. I know they improved Crush Shot + Hera in general at some point

Crush Shot would occasionally overshoot by itself

So you'd have to charge the arrow to end before it hit the enemy (which is probably what you have to do now for Blown Kiss)

[fair tree]

why don't i see people using athena boons more?

[hearty elbow]

Depends on the context. What content are you watching?

[fair tree]

on ly time ive ever seen someone using athena boons is cast builds

i just discovered how insane athena's attack is on guan yu

[hearty elbow]

I mean she's probably in contention for best God overall

[cunning urchin]

I've honestly never had problems with Crush Shot nor Blown Kiss on Hera. I don't really know what problems people are seeing.

[hearty elbow]

But more in a defensive sense (she's also half of Merciful End so you see here basically all the time there). For heat, you basically want her every single run

For DDs and for Divine Dash/Phalanx Shot/Athena's Aid

[cunning urchin]

But I've been playing that Hera build since Crush Shot was still Shatter Shot, and it's the aspect I've played the most, so maybe I just make it instinctively work at this point and don't have those issues, I dunno.

[hearty elbow]

The only times I see Athena actively avoided are specifically non-Merciful End speedruns, where she does basically nothing to make your run go faster

[fading nymph]

Proud bearing good

[turbid needle]

athena is the best god for just clearing

maybe the ppl you wtach got bored of her

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, I mean it's good exercise when you get to a specific heat threshold to learn to not rely on Athena lol, because you won't always have her

And it feels liberating to use non Divine Dashes

[worn solar]

yeah i dont really take her at all if its a heat im comfortable with