h1-builds-and-combat

[solar dawn]

Calculated risk makes em4 spear attack look funny to me, it's so slow

[hearty elbow]

This will depend on heat, but after a certain threshold basic BP2 FO2 rooms will far exceed difficulty of bosses

Well, non EM4 bosses anyway

[cunning urchin]

But the Divine Strike build on Malphon is a lot worse than it used to be.

[long escarp]

Well if they’re at a high enough heat to do BP2 FO2 then cursed slash will absolutely get them killed

[cunning urchin]

[hearty elbow]

Nah, that's what we're trying to say by "it's not bad". What normal rooms have is multiple enemies you can hit simultaneously with Cursed Slash, so incidental hits are a lot easier to recover from

That's the hammer's use case

Provided you don't expect to get hit during bosses, in which Cursed Slash is a massive liability

[turbid needle]

i mean

[hearty elbow]

Also if you have HL0 I think Cursed Slash is just fine in general

[turbid needle]

god mode + special + aphrodite boon that let you take less damage make the game childs play

almost everything dont do more than 10 damage to me max

[valid dagger]

Time to turn off godmode

Time to turn off godmode

[long escarp]

Well if you have high god mode damage resistance then you’re playing a different game, no offense

[turbid needle]

lmao

ya

im pretty bad

[cunning urchin]

Even in boss fights, you still have Hallowed Ground and probably Heartbreak Strike, maybe Hyper Sprint... it's certainly manageable.

[turbid needle]

i kinda need godmode

[valid dagger]

If you’re getting the hang of the game just try to turn it off, you cant register runs with godmode anyway

[hearty elbow]

Eh, idk about "different game". It's easy to forget when you're pushing heat that HL0 FO0 BP0 is a valid way to play the game, for the vast majority of people.

[valid dagger]

If you’re getting the hang of the game just try to turn it off, you cant register runs with godmode anyway

[hearty elbow]

And not having those on is probably less dramatic of a downgrade from normal -> god mode

[cunning urchin]

Even in boss fights, you still have Hallowed Ground and probably Heartbreak Strike, maybe Hyper Sprint... it's certainly manageable.

[hearty elbow]

Right. Having Hyper Sprint in one run vs. not in the other doesn't make them two different games lol, even with near permanent Sturdy uptime

[long escarp]

What I mean is, some things are good when you have high god mode resistance but not without it. Like cursed slash can literally let you not play the game and just spam attack with your eyes closed if you have 60%+ resistance

[hearty elbow]

Idk where God Mode caps to though

[long escarp]

80%

[hearty elbow]

Right. Having Hyper Sprint in one run vs. not in the other doesn't make them two different games lol, even with near permanent Sturdy uptime

80% is a lot though, but that assumes that player in question makes it all the way there

[cunning urchin]

Making it all the way there by... not making it all the way there.

[long escarp]

What I really mean is that without god mode, cursed slash is way way worse than with god mode

Every part of it is worse

[hearty elbow]

Fair. Can't find anything on it, if you win a run with God Mode are you back at 20% or still whatever % you were at?

[long escarp]

I don’t think so

[cunning urchin]

When you win, it goes down at the same rate it goes up if you lose.

2%, I think? I dunno.

[proper furnace]

i thought it stayed the same?

thats why people used hard labor to make up for it

[long escarp]

Oh ok

[proper furnace]

thats why people used hard labor to make up for it

[valid dagger]

Idk why people keep it on and try to make up for it in heat

Just turn it off, the point of it is to help you start getting clears, atleast that’s how I see it

[long escarp]

Yeah that’s weird

[valid dagger]

It’s not supposed to help you push heat

[long escarp]

I honestly think it should be automatically disabled past 20 heat

If not earlier

[hearty elbow]

Lol but why. It's a single player game, let people do what they want

[long escarp]

I guess that’s fair

[cunning urchin]

@hollow roost try Hestia or Guan Yu.

[valid dagger]

Yea I’m not judging, you can do whatever I guess, just questioning it lol

[long escarp]

Hestia is gonna be easier because Guan Yu kinda needs charged skewer for good dps (assuming you’re trying to keep your distance and not use serrated point)

[hollow roost]

I hate Hestia

[hearty elbow]

E.g. God Mode HL0 EM4 FO2 might be a legitimate way to learn the fight at first

[hollow roost]

just keep pressing reload

break my fingers

[long escarp]

Have you rebound reload to a shoulder button?

[cunning urchin]

There are no illegitimate ways of playing the game anyway.

[hollow roost]

no

[long escarp]

Definitely do that

[hearty elbow]

I meant legitimate as in effective

[cunning urchin]

Except for pirating, I guess.

[long escarp]

Makes rail a lot easier to control

[hearty elbow]

Hestia on default reload binding bottom 5 aspects in the game change my mind

[hollow roost]

and I think gyan yu is garbage on low blood

I'll try it after I get more blood

[long escarp]

Not if you don’t get hit

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu and Hestia are two of the very best aspects for no-hitting a run.

[hearty elbow]

Chiron too

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[hollow roost]

ok I'll try Hestia with rebind

[cunning urchin]

And there's Aegis, of course.

[valid dagger]

That’s fair

[long escarp]

What level is your Hestia btw?

[hollow roost]

1

[long escarp]

Hestia is pretty weak at a low level

Alright I’d probably wait on that then

50 damage empowered shots aren’t gonna do a whole lot

[hollow roost]

i maxed zag rail

it's more fun with more ammo

[long escarp]

Why?

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm yeah at Lv.1 it's not really gonna do anything.

[hollow roost]

ok I'll farm some blood with Achilles then

[hearty elbow]

Reloading always felt bad to me until I learned you can fluidly reload -> special -> dash in basically one go

[long escarp]

Zag rail worst and least interesting rail

[lucid oar]

But rail is good

[long escarp]

Well it might be better than Lucy

[lucid oar]

So zag rail is good

[hollow roost]

I think it's the best one lol

[cunning urchin]

It does 150 damage at Lv.5. That's what you'd want.

[long escarp]

Yeah zag rail is good

But it’s the worst rail

Like how chaos is good but it’s the worst shield

[cunning urchin]

Worst for you.

[lucid oar]

Chaos... isn't good tho

Lmao

[long escarp]

12 ammo is not better than 75% global damage

[long escarp]

It’s a shield. Throw on charged shot and it’s good

[hollow roost]

chaos is My number 1 weapon aspect

[cunning urchin]

It's better if it's more fun for him.

[hearty elbow]

Chaos is fine lol, ignore them

[long escarp]

No, it’s more fun. Doesn’t make it better

[lucid oar]

The boss damage is pitiful. The room clear... Is pitiful

[proper furnace]

dumb question, how does spread fire eris feels

[hollow roost]

well maybe Achilles is my number 1 and chaos is more like number 2

[long escarp]

It’s not fast. But it’s a shield and it does good enough damage

[hearty elbow]

Good enough to beat bablo in a head to head race ayoo

[hollow roost]

chaos shield with zeus sepcial and explosive returb

is fun

[long escarp]

Worse than sf zag imo

Zeus special?

[lucid oar]

It's the best special on chaos shield

By quite a bit

[hollow roost]

yep

[hearty elbow]

Drunken and Thunder are closer than you think on Chaos

[long escarp]

Really? Hmm, prefer to shotgun

[lucid oar]

Zeus and Dio special also double dip on global damage

And Ares come to think about it

[hearty elbow]

Ares post-Chaos nerf really just doesn't feel too great anymore lol

[long escarp]

What was used for the chaos heat wr?

[lucid oar]

Thunder

[hearty elbow]

That was in the old times though

[lucid oar]

At least back in blood price

[long escarp]

I mean now

[cunning urchin]

It does if that's what matters to him. Whatever determines "best" for you is not universal.

[lucid oar]

Athena, but it also looks like a ME run

[cunning urchin]

Of course it's ME lol.

[turbid needle]

i turned of god mode

i died

[hearty elbow]

Drunken, 56 heat

[cunning urchin]

[long escarp]

Makes sense

[hearty elbow]

Though closer to the truth is "no special" lol.

[cunning urchin]

That was a seed that had Epic Thunder Flourish into Epic Static Discharge lol.

Haelian's seed, and then bablo used the same.

[hearty elbow]

• natural Athena in Tart

[long escarp]

I’m very dubious that Zeus special is best, especially with ER

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah lol.

[turbid needle]

i want an immortal build that makes it less punishing ot take damage

i do 10 heat

[lucid oar]

Looks like Athena special into drunken special swap

[turbid needle]

with god mode i get 20 mins

[hearty elbow]

Without irony, probably try Beowulf

10% extra damage lol k

[turbid needle]

trippy flare?

[lucid oar]

HL0.5

[lucid oar]

Sure

[turbid needle]

h20

water

yum

yum

[cunning urchin]

Passion Flare, then get Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air.

And try to get Second Wind.

[lucid oar]

Mirage shot

[long escarp]

Trippy flare is weird, I’d do passion flare

[lucid oar]

Trippy flare does so much damage tho

[hearty elbow]

Flood Flare + Deadly Strike -> Mirage Shot also good

[lucid oar]

But it's too much of a highroll

[long escarp]

Yeah but you need chaos grasps

[hearty elbow]

Beo can build in a million ways

[cunning urchin]

He wants immortality, not DPS.

[lucid oar]

Enemies can't kill you if they're dead

[long escarp]

Prove it

[turbid needle]

what weapon

[long escarp]

I got hit by a dead lernie head once

[lucid oar]

Cant exactly right now

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf.

Also get Life Affirmation and maybe Heartbreak Strike if you can.

[turbid needle]

i dont have beowulf yet

i need to talk to chaose

[lucid oar]

Beowulf is honestly a pretty good aspect

AT LEAST b tier

[cunning urchin]

[turbid needle]

i believe in zues aspect supremeti

[hearty elbow]

Zeus requires the brain cells. Not great for immortality

[turbid needle]

baj clear 64 heat with it and i got my only non god mode run with it

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur, Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air... and then get Second Wind.

[turbid needle]

ok

i will

imma go equip

the beautiful looking hiny sword

[cunning urchin]

Also look out for Hyper Sprint, Greatest Reflex, Greater Evasion, Life Affirmation, and just any kind of damage reduction.

Divine Dash always good.

[proper furnace]

can calls get replace or is only the other 4 core boons?

[cunning urchin]

Only the other 4.

[turbid needle]

cursedd slash and aspect of nemises?????

is it good?

or bad

[cunning urchin]

Can be fun. Wouldn't recommend it.

[turbid needle]

i hate rail and fist

i just simply hate it

i get all the way to dad under 15 mins ingame

[cunning urchin]

Maybe stop evading the swear filter, though?

[long escarp]

Beowulf is the best aspect in the game

[wanton garnet]

Whose attack boon gives the highest boost to raw damage?

Poseidon?

[hearty elbow]

Artemis/Aphro

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite.

[long escarp]

No, Poseidon gives the least

Zeus can do more on faster weapons than Artemis and Aphrodite

[lucid oar]

Depends on weapon

[wanton garnet]

Hestia

[lucid oar]

And boons

Aphro

[long escarp]

Aphrodite

[cunning urchin]

That's what I said.

[long escarp]

Aphro is definitely best for Hestia attack

[lucid oar]

I take Artemis if I've somehow found +112% dash strike damage from chaos

[proper furnace]

yeah god mode doesnt go down at all even if you win. would be funny

[lucid oar]

Because Lernie heads get one shot anyway

[cunning urchin]

Lernie heads get one shot, one opportunity.

To seize everything they ever wanted in one moment.

[long escarp]

Also use Fiery Presence for Hestia

[lucid oar]

It's not essential if you're not speedrunning

[hearty elbow]

I like Shadow/Fiery about equal I think. Shadow feels more consistent to me, at cost of time in Tart

[long escarp]

No way, actually? Fiery makes a massive difference in how many enemies you are able to one-shot

[lucid oar]

Fiery is just a "kill louts with no attack boon" perk

[hearty elbow]

Shadow works even if you have Splash Dash or other random damage sources, and it does great against bosses

non-Lernie bosses*

[split radish]

Is fiery the better choice for hestia runs?

[long escarp]

In my opinion, yes

I think it’s better by a lot

[split radish]

also, is it just me or is the scaling for casts when pommed broken? trippy shot goes from 100 to 160, a 60% damage increase while things like heartbreak strike just go from 50% damage increase to 70%

[long escarp]

Trippy flare poms are bugged

Trippy shot poms are not, I don’t think

[proper furnace]

most poms have awesome pom scaling tbf

[long escarp]

But trippy flare poms do exactly twice as much as they say they’re doing

[split radish]

tf?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[split radish]

is that why beo w/ trippy mirage flare can just 1 shot hades phases?

[long escarp]

Yeah

[split radish]

how long has this been a thing

[long escarp]

The pom scaling for casts is already super incredible

[proper furnace]

also trippy flare only crits x2 damage instead of x3

[long escarp]

It’s been a thing forever, but people didn’t know about it until recently

[long escarp]

Oh weird, I don’t know that

[split radish]

guessing it'll be patched soon enough (if hades still gets patches?)

[turbid needle]

nah

[long escarp]

It won’t be patched

[turbid needle]

things are gonna stay how they are probably

[split radish]

alright

[proven osprey]

For speedrunning, probably. I go for shadow in high heat

[subtle star]

Welp @cunning urchin I am gonna consider my earlier “Game Genie” completion of the Legend of Persephone about all I can do for the proper month of the September challenge…I was so set on getting the Master sword again that over the past 2 days, I tried and reset/intentionally died about a dozen times to get better RNG, finally today on my 13th try, I at least got half of it, but then died to super Dad in his 2nd phase…so, I will try to get it in October and pretend it got renamed to the “Fall challenge” 😬

[fading nymph]

Only on Beo Hera works normally

[fading nymph]

Why shadow for high heat?

[proven osprey]

Optimizing boss damage so they die quicker than me

[fading nymph]

Just bc rooms aren’t as big of a deal?

[proven osprey]

Room definitely can be a problem

but fiery won't help when it's the case

[fading nymph]

Well as much of they are on speed

ic

[proven osprey]

Because you have BP, JS

If you have a damage dash, sometimes you just disable it

To me the conditions are not met to really get an overwhelming advantage over shadow

It's still strong but I like the backstab

[long escarp]

Oh I didn’t realize trippy flare was for Hera too

Since none of the other casts are flares for Hera

[fading nymph]

Yeah it’s weird

Makes sense but weird

[languid forum]

whcih hammers are good with pos sword

if any

[cunning urchin]

There's no penalty for submitting "late". Good luck in your attempts!

[long escarp]

Double edge and super nova are both pretty good, but don’t take hammers over poms or boons

[cunning urchin]

They still patch some bugs, but these Beowulf bugs affect the balance a lot. So I think they're deliberately not patching them.

[long escarp]

Without the mirage bug Beo would probably not be the best aspect in the game, since it would be a lot worse at speedrunning

Imo

[cunning urchin]

A patch like that would probably mean another reset of the speedrun leaderboard.

[turbid needle]

shield build? i wanna play chaos but dont have much blood and i suck with zeus and dont have the hidden aspect

[proper furnace]

what level is chaos shield?

[turbid needle]

like 2

i couldve got it to 3 but i upgraded lucifer anyways

[cunning urchin]

Probably just go Mercifl End, or start Heartbreak Strike for Smoldering Air and hope for Charged Shot.

Lv.2 Chaos Aspect is honestly just base shield without upgrades.

[long escarp]

Yeah pretty much

[plain prairie]

beo mirage scint bad news 😻

[long escarp]

beo mirage passion flare fully loaded

[plain prairie]

i was hopin to get zeus in there for zappy feast but not enough boons

[long escarp]

Isn’t that what “scint” meant? Scintillating feast?

[proper furnace]

maybe just wanted more zeus boons?

[long escarp]

But they said they wanted “zappy feast”

[plain prairie]

mfw names

trippy

[long escarp]

Oh

[long escarp]

Alright I’m pretty sure of it now. Gilgamesh is the worst aspect in the game

God that aspect sucks

[plain prairie]

how u build it

[worn solar]

gilgadash supremacy smh

[long escarp]

I’m not even sure if there’s a playable build beside ME

[plain prairie]

ya Me is obvi
sea storm is meh for it
uhhhhhhhh maybe like a dio doom build ig lol

[long escarp]

Dio doom?

[plain prairie]

i figured the dashes would stack hangover ok so u could run like doom or maybe razo shaols for more dot

or atk hangover xd

[long escarp]

The attack is too slow to do hangover or Zeus, but has base damage too low for % boons

[plain prairie]

; ) get in there tiger

[wanton garnet]

Whose special to go with Aphro attack on Hestia gun?

[hearty elbow]

Doesn't matter too much. Artemis is good especially with hammers

[proper furnace]

artemis probably? or just any good % boon

[hearty elbow]

Thunder for Smoldering Air stuff, but you'd prefer to have it in another slot likely

[wanton garnet]

Is spread fire good for Hestia gun?

[proper furnace]

it doesnt affect the empowered shot, so not really

can be used to kill smaller things without reloading ig

[wanton garnet]

It doesn't? Damn

[proper furnace]

what are your other options?

[long escarp]

It does basically nothing for Hestia

[hearty elbow]

I like spread fire for clearing piles of skulls or casters

It's not useless

Lol obv that's AP2 flavored copium but yeah. Does stuff sometimes.

[long escarp]

If you’re not using AP2, there’s basically no situation where it’s the best option

[proper furnace]

is there a certain amount of rooms you need to pass after seeing a charon well for other to spawn or theorically you can see 1 every chamber?

[long escarp]

There is a 3 chamber cooldown

If you want to know more, check out this doc (I’m sorry I’m not 100% sure who made it but I think it was cgull)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR8OWqTyJ_EbqVTBomnBsjyntsFZU9XfCVAhj0tWXQaS2zOmdYeEme0vwpu72c7be0eopkRMzULZsdK/pubhtml

[proper furnace]

thanks

"biome depth" is how many chambers you are in ig?

[long escarp]

Yeah I think so

[split radish]

The difference between having rocket bomb and not with Eris is insane. My PB with Eris is about 12:00 flat, and every other run where I didn't have rocket bomb never got faster than 12:38. Rocket Bomb is probably the best hammer for at the very least Eris, hands down

[smoky horizon]

hmmm, which aspect would you say is the most fun to play with the stygius? i've only played with it two times and i didn't really like it -- but looking to add some more variety and fun into my runs

[split radish]

do you use special-dashstrike-dashstrike or just regular old "spam attack"

because if you're using Stygius, using special, dash-strike, dash-strike is way more effective.

anyway, I recommend Nemesis aspect on it to answer the question

Or alternatively, get Flurry Slash and Zeus attack on Zagreus aspect

[proper furnace]

i like hidden sword the most tbh

big swing of death

[smoky horizon]

i only used the ol' "spam attack", but hmmm -- ill definitely try that out! theres only one level unlocked with the nemesis, but i have enough to upgrade it if needed :o gotta try and experiment with which boons will work with it (which will be fun lol)
cause i have no idea

ahhhh, okie okie

[turbid needle]

nemesis + artemis

if you need an indepth guide i can dm you or something

[long escarp]

Definitely for speed purposes, are probably for high heat as well (although Delta Chamber is really really good for those dash strike i-frames)

[split radish]

yeah, Delta Chamber i-frames have come in clutch for me a ton of times

[long escarp]

They’re a godsend, especially on FO2 bosses

(Namely EM3 and Hades)

[smoky horizon]

sure, why not? :o i haven't played hades in awhile, and it's honestly been alot of fun jumping back into it

[gilded birch]

Does anyone know the best resource to find information on builds for specific aspects etc? Also what is arguably the best spear aspect

[cunning urchin]

Achilles is the most consistent and versatile without any drawbacks.

[gilded birch]

Cheers mate I’ll give it a shot

[cunning urchin]

If you want do a Cast build with it, I wrote a general guide for Cast builds here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[gilded birch]

Oo I’ve been wanting to try a cast build, tyvm!

[long escarp]

Yeah Achilles is arguably the best cast aspect (beside Beowulf lol) in the game, but it can be very good with other builds as well

[gilded birch]

Hmm idk if I’m being dumb, but I can’t seem to use the raging rush

[worn solar]

hmm wdym

throw spear > press special button again and you dash to it

[cunning urchin]

You just double-tap your Special, pretty much.

[worn solar]

now you have the dmg boost

[cunning urchin]

Make sure you have the right aspect equipped.

[gilded birch]

Oh my god I am being dumb i upgraded it but forgot to select it lmao

[cunning urchin]

Yup. Not my first day here.

[gilded birch]

[cunning urchin]

It's a lot more common than you'd think lol.

[gilded birch]

I’m glad I’m not the only one lmao

[polar python]

I do that so often.

[honest wing]

triple beam or infinite beam for super soaker

[lucid oar]

Eternal chamber for the memes

But triple beam is better

[honest wing]

I took triple

dude

took poseidon aspect

next boon natural zeus

now another poseidon

fastest sea storm moment?

I GOT IT IN ONE ROLL

LETS GO

just need razor shoals and static discahrge for priv stat proc and build over literally

[turbid needle]

Does triple arrow and 2 arrow in one shot buff stack?

[lucid oar]

You can't get both of those hammers at the same time

[turbid needle]

What is fastest possible way to kill a boss?

[long escarp]

You could watch the sub 3 minute TAS by Vorime

[subtle star]

Unga bunga with Merciful end/Deadly Reversal fists is pretty quick…except with EM2 Hydra…stupid lava. I have multiple times sub-20 sec killed the heroes and ~1 min killed Dad

[long escarp]

The literal fastest way is probably charged shot Beowulf with enough damage to one-shot the boss

Unless you can stack enough damage onto a single bow shot or something and one-shot phases with that

[hollow roost]

Rama maybe

[lucid oar]

Hera could potentially be faster, the bloodstones drop out quicker

I think if another route was to be made, it would either be Hera or achilles

[subtle star]

Pretty much every weapon has a fast aspect/build…so pick your fav and either experiment or ask specifically

[fallow robin]

My favorites are charge shot Beowulf with Ares cast and Pressure Points/cast boosting Chaos boon or an Artemaxxed Zag bow with Double Shot or Flurry Shot hammers

[modest maple]

I love cast bow + arès cast + artémis duo with arès + artémis duo with poséidon 🙂 🙂

[long escarp]

(Hera, Slicing Shot, Hunting Blades, Mirage Shot)

[fallow robin]

I haven’t played much Hera bow, most of my clears are Zag bow, Rama, or Beowulf

[terse thistle]

Chiron is my fav bow just for that sweet special tracking

[modest maple]

Normal gloves + feather is very cheat

You can get almost 100% of esquive

[fallow robin]

I did a Plume + Zag gloves + dodge stacking for my last clear - felt awful but fun lol

[modest maple]

you're french ?

[fallow robin]

I am not haha, 100% burger

[modest maple]

Yum !

[hollow roost]

danger averted

[fallow robin]

I sense a conflict emerging here…

[hollow roost]

would have been maybe if u were

we cool

[terse thistle]

I forgot how op dodge chance is…

[heavy hinge]

Triple shot vs Relentless volley for Chiron ?

[lucid oar]

Relentless

[proper furnace]

Relentless

[heavy hinge]

that's what I thought, cheers

[plain prairie]

fiery prescence support fire

[quartz fractal]

damn

50 heat gun is way harder than I thought

[long escarp]

50 heat anything is very hard. But rail is one of the easier weapons to do it with imo

Well, Hestia and Eris are

[quartz fractal]

hmm

for some reason bow was simple and shield was a nobrainer

but i cant even get out of tartarus with gun

[split radish]

Try using Zeus on the attack

with either eris or zagreus

For Zag aspect 16 heat, should I do flurry slash or ME? both look fun, can't decide for myself

[cunning urchin]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[sterile fiber]

anyone know how to get past MM Power Couple for the monthly challenge?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Good luck!

[neon trout]

Any suggestions for good builds for sub 10 min runs?

[lucid oar]

Eris rail: lightning strike, tidal dash, static discharge

Artemis/aphro special

[hearty elbow]

Eris is ehhh. It's a great aspect but it definitely starts falling off in how broken it is (compared to difficulty of playing it) in high heat, since it's so aggressive. You have to take a lot more risks to deal damage because your damage doesn't come in bursts, it's continuous

[long escarp]

Yeah that makes sense

But I’m sure it’s still pretty good for 50 heat, no?

Not as good as Hestia ofc

[hearty elbow]

It's good of course, but it's not like the rush of like, 32 Eris where the game plays itself for you

[long escarp]

Oh yeah totally

I did 45 with Eris the other day

[hearty elbow]

60 Eris happened a lot earlier than 60 Hestia lol, but that's probably mostly because of DC2

[long escarp]

Wait I didn’t know 60 Eris had been beaten

Oh it was seeded

[hearty elbow]

yeah, twice, once seeded by Retrash, once by Damue unseeded

[long escarp]

Ohh so it has

[hearty elbow]

And to be fair Retrash seeded for like, Drunken Strike LOL

So pretty far from a broken seed

[long escarp]

Why not just reset for it so that you can say your run was unseeded?

[hearty elbow]

Increases number of viable runs by 4x

lol

[subtle star]

ME/DR fists is a very doable build…if RNG gods smile upon you

[hearty elbow]

A lot of fast attacking aspects can also do ZAP (Zeus attack, Artemis special, Poseidon dash)

[neon trout]

@hearty elbow @subtle star thx!

[long escarp]

Yeah I’m with rmacinty, Eris is probably your best bet. But Beo, Hera, or Demeter are also not too hard

Or Achilles

[hearty elbow]

Speedrunning Beo/Hera/Demeter is a lot more of a skillgap I think than Eris. Achilles isn't too bad but it's annoying waiting for Flurry Jab to show up

[long escarp]

Yeah exactly

[neon trout]

@hearty elbow got 11 min ugh was hoping for sub 10

But cut 4 min off my previous best so thanks!

[unreal tree]

T i m e

[languid forum]

for the "nyx's mirror" achievement does every thing in the mirror need to be maxed

[sterile fiber]

Played 4 runs of DC2 Hestia and now I want to quit the game

[unreal tree]

[subtle star]

90% sure you do not

Maybe 95% sure

[long escarp]

Wait why are you using it?

Are you attempting 62 heat

[split radish]

is a call required for smoldering air? it doesn't say so in the codex but I haven't gotten in 4+ runs with Legacy

[long escarp]

Lmao yes you need a call

[sterile fiber]

omg I found a bug that lets DDs recover 100% of your HP, you just need to take a Chaos curse that reduces your max HP to 1

[proper furnace]

[sterile fiber]

JK got clockets

[long escarp]

But why DC2 Hestia

For “fun”?

[proper furnace]

from the #h1-victory-boasting post i guess they randomized what pacts to take and rng said dc2

[long escarp]

Ohhhhhh

[sterile fiber]

gory details in the victory channel

[vale pier]

Here's how I did it with Cursed Slash: https://youtu.be/ptqo_pdZx2A?t=864 On attempts without that hammer, you're more likely to lose a DD. Mainly: stay on top of the Gorgon so that when the Skullcrusher falls, you can hit both at once. Use Bouldy to heal and his items to confuse the Gorgon.

[candid knoll]

How do you see monthly challenges

[long escarp]

Check the pins

[turbid needle]

what is the best hammer for rail

[cobalt kayak]

Cluster bomb, Rocket are the two top

the one that lets you use your special three times in a row is also good

[turbid needle]

is hazard bomb good

[valid dagger]

It's good on Hestia, on Eris it's hard to use because you have to absorb your special

Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb are a very strong combo as mentioned above, you cant go wrong with them

Cluster Bomb isnt available for Hidden Rail, Triple bomb is strong for it however

Targetting System can be good all around

Ricochet Fire and Piercing Fire are good Hestia hammers

It's hard to put a hammer as best above all, it depends on the aspect, the build you're going for, your playstyle etc

[cobalt kayak]

If you have cluster bomb and rocket in one hammer people usually tend to go for cluster (if this helps)

[proven osprey]

I'd totally go for rocket

[subtle star]

I also prefer cluster first, spreads the fire and chances for increased attack damage

[valid dagger]

Rocket makes your Special faster which in turn makes it easier to use and allows you to absorb it faster on Eris for example, I would prefer Rocket first aswell

[lucid oar]

I go rocket first yeah

On Hestia I go cluster

[cobalt kayak]

speaking of which

did anybody manage to get rocket + cluster + triple with a lucky anvil

[proper furnace]

Cant get both cluster and triple at same time

[lucid oar]

Cant get cluster and triple

[unreal tree]

If only

[cobalt kayak]

BAHAHAHA no wonder.. I've been buying every single anvil in the temple of styx to see if I can get it..

dies

[magic rivet]

You can targetting system though

[long escarp]

Which aspect? Because it heavily depends

[turbid needle]

I picked the 3rd aspect

[long escarp]

Ok the best Hestia hammer is probably Hazard Bomb

But Ricochet Fire, Piercing Fire, Cluster Bomb, and Rocket Bomb are all great as well

[worn solar]

explosive fire is also good for hestia

[unreal tree]

really isnt

[sterile fiber]

it is if you're on DC

[worn solar]

it makes the sniper shot explody. aint that gud smh

[cunning urchin]

It's not my first pick, but it's good enough.

[worn solar]

maybe its just ap2 copium

[cunning urchin]

It's not Ricochet Fire, but getting some AOE on your Attack isn't too bad.

[sterile fiber]

it's DC2 copium.

[long escarp]

It’s ok if you can’t get any of the good AOE or multi target hammers

[unreal tree]

-DC2 hestia

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

literally just pick any other heat besides that on hesty

[long escarp]

Yeah you probably shouldn’t do DC2 until 62 heat

[sterile fiber]

I know, woke up with copium hangover

[worn solar]

savior bp

[sterile fiber]

randomizer was merciful with that

[vale pier]

Are you choosing your own random pacts or is this a shared challenge posted somewhere?

[sterile fiber]

it's part of this series on the hades subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/collection/db835acf-e28c-42df-b879-83c31c153818/
The person who started the idea got busy with other things so I took over and added 24 and 32 heat options. I've been generating them a few days in advance so I can play around and have things to say. So the one I posted in the victory channel is next week's kit.

[vale pier]

Thanks!

[long escarp]

What’s a fun build I should do? Preferably something that’s good, just not meta, or is meta for specific circumstances. I really enjoyed getting absurd numbers with trippy flare Beo

[vale pier]

Shackle start and go wherever the boons take you

[long escarp]

Eh that could lead to something new but not something strong

I want to do some kind of build that requires a lot of boons so it’s impractical but it can be really absurd. Or something like that

[vale pier]

Bablo has a lot of sub-7s that way - requires knowing how to use what you see. But you mean like Achilles Meme Beam, etc?

[long escarp]

Yeah something like that. But I’ve done a million crystal clarity runs already (and cold embrace just isn’t fun or good)

[lucid oar]

Lightning rod eris

Get all the Zeus, you already have global damage

[long escarp]

Hmmm

Yeah alright sure

[vale pier]

Maybe even cast only

[long escarp]

Do I want to start the attack like normal or the call for double strike?

[proper furnace]

i say attack bc i dont like non zeus/dio rail attack

[long escarp]

Well it’s also 12 heat so it’s not like it matters

[solemn pond]

Hello! Dusting off the game for the first time in a while...

What are good boons for the fistycuffs?

[worn solar]

zeus/dio attack or ares attack with athena special and dash for merciful end ig

[solemn pond]

My first boon was Epic Divine Strike...

Welp. This is blessed.

[long escarp]

Alright I did this and it kinda worked but it was nothing special. Maybe because I didn’t get my second Zeus boon until Styx

[vale pier]

Trying #8. RR and DC2 on Zag Bow

[solemn pond]

Divine Strike, Blinding Flash and Long Knuckle on the fists...

Yeah that melts.

For future record.

[split radish]

flurry slash is better than I thought, wow

I used to think it was as bad as cursed slash, but it's pretty good on Zag Aspect

[sterile fiber]

Flurry Divine Strike won me the monthly challenge, and Flurry doom is memey

[long escarp]

Worst hammer in the game

[split radish]

cursed slash is worse imo

[long escarp]

Or the second worst

Yeah it’s either that or cursed slash

But Nyaa says Flurry is worse

[keen pike]

I love cursed Slash

[split radish]

tbh I'd rather see flurry rather than dash nova

[long escarp]

I hate Cursed Slash

[long escarp]

Dash nova is fine, flurry slash actively hurts your build by a lot

[split radish]

how? last I checked it doesnt stop you from dash striking

[long escarp]

Nyaa explained it best

[sterile fiber]

Flurry reduces RSI so auto top tier /hj

[long escarp]

#h1-discussion message

It severely hurts your safety, not allowing you to empty dash out of an attack or not attack after a dash strike

[split radish]

I'm not saying it's S tier, I just find it more fun than literally every hammer other than double-strike

and if you take flurry, you're probably building around it anyway

[long escarp]

We’re talking about fun?

I thought we were talking about how good it was

I’m confused

It’s definitely nothing better than second worst hammer in the game

It actively hurts your build a huge amount

But just because it’s bad doesn’t mean it can’t be fun, or that I think nobody should use it

It’s just not good

[cunning urchin]

Neither of them is too bad when getting hit isn't much of a problem. But when you go up in Heat, they become a real liability.

[split radish]

that is true, but I'd rather take a hammer that does something compared to smth like hoarding slash, seeking fire, etc. It definitely isn't good in a vacuum, it only becomes decent when built around, unlike other hammers. I take it not because its a good hammer, just because it arguably isn't boring to play with/makes no significant change to gameplay cough seeking fire cough

[cunning urchin]

Hoarding Slash doesn't kill you, I'd say that's a plus.

[long escarp]

I’d rather have hoarding slash and perpetually 0 gold then Flurry Slash for sure

It doesn’t “do nothing”. It actively hurts you

[split radish]

flurry slash isn't good, sure, the point of my argument is that, for me, I would rather, in casual play, take flurry over most other sword hammers

[long escarp]

So then you’re not arguing about how good it is at all

[split radish]

that was never my argument

[long escarp]

My argument is that it’s either the worst or the second worst hammer in the game, and your argument is that you like it. Those are not incompatible

Those are both true

[split radish]

I agreed with the fact that it was bad multiple times

[long escarp]

Right but you seemed to be saying it was better than some other hammers but I must have misunderstood

[cunning urchin]

"Good" doesn't necessarily only mean effective, anyway. Fun can be a factor.

Best to establish "good for what?" in discussions like this.

[split radish]

yeah, I didn't mean that it was better than lets say, hoarding slash. I just meant it makes a bigger difference in gameplay and in casual play, I would rather take a funny hammer compared to a boring one

[long escarp]

I’m never gonna argue that someone shouldn’t like a hammer, so when you say “I’d rather take a hammer that does something compared to smth like hoarding slash, seeking fire, etc.” I assumed you were trying to say it was better than those hammers, but if what you mean is just that you’d prefer it, then I don’t see how there was even a disagreement here

[split radish]

yeah, there never was one, I just didn't communicate my point well enough I guess

[long escarp]

It’s cool

[cunning urchin]

No no, you're supposed to fight it out, so we can bet on who wins.

[split radish]

[long escarp]

Nobody can win

[split radish]

exactly, the bet collector runs off with all the money

[long escarp]

Nobody ever wins in a discord argument

[cunning urchin]

Where's the fun when nobody is screaming and bleeding?

Alecto would not approve.

[long escarp]

I wish clean kill was good

[vale pier]

Flurry-Cursed carried my monthly challenge. Good hammers in at least that context

[long escarp]

And hide breaker

And Hunter instinct

Artemis t2s kinda suck

Beside HM

And ofc PP is good but that’s a t1

[cunning urchin]

Ah yes, the famous lifesteal mechanic from The Legend of Zelda.

[split radish]

arty t2 buffs when

[sterile fiber]

Out-DPSing that MM Power Couple was neat stuff

[strange lark]

I just used ME

[vale pier]

Too hard to find with Feather Duster

[strange lark]

I got ares and athena both in tart

And then ME in asphodel

[vale pier]

Nice

[strange lark]

Really stupid run

[vale pier]

Thanks : ) EM4 was also fun - inspired me to turn it on for regular runs

[subtle star]

After 20+ attempts of the monthly challenge, my RNG has been atrocious…also doesn’t help that I reset half of them cause I wouldn’t get the Master Sword…

[cunning urchin]

You can do it! Go go!

[split radish]

is the monthly challenge pinned somewhere?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, in this channel.

You can get the Hades Monthly Challenge role in #bot-commands if you want to be pinged when I announce new ones.

[split radish]

I have one question, can you only use dash during and after Champions, or after defeating them?

[cunning urchin]

You can dash in the fight and afterwards.

[split radish]

ok, thanks!

[hearty elbow]

I was curious about that, didn't play the OG zelda games, what the dash at champions trying to replicate?

[lunar pulsar]

I would assume it is so that you don't die horribly

because you kind of need the dash to avoid attacks from the heroes and hades

as well as some rooms in styx with gaps

[subtle star]

Lol, after doing this challenge about 30 times...it is clear that it is not made to be played like LoZelda. I am sure someone of high skill cold do it, but geez, without dash, you are a sitting duck most of th etime.

[proper furnace]

the only item that goes to mind is the pegasus boots (hyper sprint in hades case) but no clue for reaching the heroes

[subtle star]

YEah, I actually got Dash Nova and that very much felt like Link's LttP charge move...unfortunate that it was not part of the master sword build...would have not reset a couple times. Still fun tho, and probably will try the "Mother's Day Challenge" next!

[sterile fiber]

if you don't take the extra challenge, most of the pre-dash enemies can be kited with a good cast. early-region enemies can be stunlocked with the regular attack

[subtle star]

Yeah, I usually didn't have much trouble till the Furies (only if Athena didn't show up or a decent hammer helped me out). I am currently raising the heat and seeing how high I can go...and then later, will try the "Souls" experience with this challenge another time.

[cunning urchin]

The Legend of Zelda has a tendency to give you items just when you need them, doesn't it.

[solemn pond]

I wanna try a new spear mode! Do you suggest Achilles or Hades aspect?

[ionic crown]

Achilles

Hades spear is kinda bad

[solemn pond]

Ah, I thought the sweep was good because it makes enemies take more damage for 10 seconds

Achilles was only 4 attacks or casts.

I guess if I go Achilles, I should try to get a really good cast

[proper furnace]

depends on what you want, achilles with flurry jab or a great cast build is well worth the 4 attacks

and its easily to apply the buff again

[solemn pond]

I absolutely love getting the uh... what's it called...

[proper furnace]

hades is more special spam or serrated point

[solemn pond]

3 pronged attack with flurry

So it's super fast and covers like 20% of the screen

So I suppose Achilles is better suited for me!

Thanks to you both

[long escarp]

Yeah but spin attacks are very slow and Achilles special is quick and also a very good movement option

[solemn pond]

I'm enjoying it a lot

I got flurry and the zeus lightning chain

And also the support fire from Artemis

So it's kinda spicy right now

[long escarp]

You should look for Jolted (Static Discharge) when you use Zeus attack btw

It’s a very strong boon

[solemn pond]

I did in fact get Jolted too!

[long escarp]

NICE

[solemn pond]

In fact, I just beat Hades with only ONE death defiance lost!

[long escarp]

Congrats!

[solemn pond]

That's pretty good for me, even before my long break

I'm very impressed! I got super lucky

I started playing again because I convinced my wife to try it since I ramble on about greek mythology all the time anyway

She's also in love with it because she played a lot of transistor back in the day

Picked it up and beat the first boss first try! She's a natural

Aw dang, I was gonna show off my build screenshot but I can't post photos here.

That's a bummer!

But, hey, bots are a problem lately, so... I get it. Sadly.

[turbid needle]

you can post image links

[solemn pond]

Ah but then I gotta upload it somewhere, and meh

I don't even remember image uploading sites... Except imageshack? Is that still a thing? I remember the green frog.

[turbid needle]

you could post it in discord and just right click copy link

#h1-victory-boasting is also a thing if you want to share your win

that channel allows images

[solemn pond]

Oh goody! So then here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/894739110470766592/beepbeep.png

Thanks for the tip

It's not impressive compared to others posted there, but it's a satisfying return for a casual like me.

Now then, time to bother her into playing a round so I can watch

[proper furnace]

Jolted strong

[split radish]

trying sea storm on chiron

wow, this is not very good for all the setup it needed

[long escarp]

Sea storm Chiron isn’t really worth the effort imo. It’s just as hard to get as Heart rend but with much less damage

[split radish]

it really isn't, would be way better to just do Heart Rend on it

[split radish]

anyone have any idea how to use curse of drowning? I tried it w/ talos and honestly it's really underwhelming

[long escarp]

It’s not a good boon tbh

So yeah idk

Talos is probably your best bet

Maybe Achilles

[split radish]

oh well I want to try some assorted cast builds other than base zeus, aphro, athena etc casts, any suggestions then?

[long escarp]

Have you done trippy flare Beo?

It’s really fun

Because if you pom the cast a few times and you get Mirage Shot, you can 1-shot everything

Since poms do twice as much for trippy flare (only on Beo) as the boon says

[split radish]

yeah, I was able to get some poms and scintillating feast, haven't tried mirage yet

I saw the run where someone 1-shotted a Hades phase and wanted to try it

[long escarp]

Have you done crystal clarity?

[split radish]

yup. meme beams

[long escarp]

Did you see my EM4 Hades fight from the other day? It was pretty insane

I can link if you want to see it

[split radish]

no, link it please!

[long escarp]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[split radish]

that's without a high-level cast?

insane

[long escarp]

Yeah

Although I had 4 bloodstones with Stygian soul

So that helps a lot

[split radish]

stygian?

[long escarp]

For sure

Infernal soul takes much longer to get the bloodstones back

[split radish]

never thought of that

and it enables bad news, right

[long escarp]

Yeah, definitely do god’s legacy

[split radish]

I p much always take legacy unless I'm doing smth like an Eris speedrun

mostly because of a godly hunting blades run I got once

[long escarp]

And sell your prereqs as soon as your get the duo you’re looking for, so you’re more likely to get poms on your cast

[split radish]

wait, so if poms do x2 what they say, the first cast pom would pom it to 260 damage?

[long escarp]

If it’s epic, yeah

It’s great

[split radish]

guess I know what to do tommorow, didn't know Beo was so buggy

only bug I knew of was Mirage Shot

[long escarp]

Did you know bad news is global damage?

[split radish]

..

[long escarp]

Doesn’t just affect your cast

[split radish]

so you do a flat 50% extra damage from when you get the legendary onwards

w h a t

[long escarp]

Never fix lol

They’re done with balance patches or bug fixes

[split radish]

so beo is gonna be anti-hades spray until the end of time

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s a common rush delivery pretty much

[long escarp]

Yep. Best aspect in the game baby let’s go

[split radish]

shield best weapon

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s kinda gotta be, Beo and Zeus combined hold literally every single world record for both heat and speed (I think)

Most of that is Beo but Zeus is very good at 61+ where Beo really falls off

[split radish]

Beo's routed WR combined with Zeus' routed heat WR is just...

[long escarp]

Plus Beo’s unseeded anyheat WR and Zeus’s unseeded 62 heat world record

[split radish]

Zeus is even good for ""lower"" heats, it won my me my first 32 heat, second was with Chaos

shield in general is cracked

[long escarp]

Actually ocaml’s Rama holds the 50 heat world record, but Beo holds 32 and 40

[long escarp]

Yeah Zeus is amazing for heat in general, but it especially outshines everything else at 61+

[neon trout]

Makes sense he’s King of the gods 😁

[turbid needle]

#h1-victory-boasting message

Case in point

[errant narwhal]

congrats, thats incredible! asking here to not clog up #h1-victory-boasting - what does the speedrunning modpack do? what do the little icons on the top right mean?

[cunning urchin]

The icons show what mods are enabled in the modpack.

[turbid needle]

basically, the combination of icons represent a hash set (?). You take the combination to get the ruleset used

It was the Speedrunning Single-Run ruleset

with Explosive Return as first hammer

[cunning urchin]

You can determine things like whether Than can appear, in what tunnel the sack is, whether certain minibosses that cost time can appear, four choices for the first boon that appears to guarantee you don't need to reroll to get the core boon you want... and there are presets you can pick to automatically select the mods for a certain ruleset.

[turbid needle]

There's also a "Approval Process doesn't deny any of your first boons" perk

Altho this run didn't have that because it wasn't updated to the 1.1.1 version, being 1.1.0

And 1.1.1 has that feature.

[cunning urchin]

Over in the Speedrunning server, there's now since last month a separate high heat leaderboard specifically for modded runs.

[turbid needle]

Oh thanks for the reminder. Vod's uploaded so I'll submit it there

[cunning urchin]

Oh, I was just giving more context, but glad I reminded you.

[sterile fiber]

oh just saw this, so it's AP1.99
still impressive

[turbid needle]

Not that one. I haven't updated to the version with the feature

LOL

1.1.1 has it. Run was on 1.1.0

[sterile fiber]

ah

nvm turns out I can't read

(it is early AMs in my timezone)

[unreal tree]

[sterile fiber]

@worldly stream moving Hades fight question here where hopefully someone better than me has good tips

[unreal tree]

R e s e t e f f i c e n c y

[worldly stream]

Ok thanks

[sterile fiber]

high level: don't get hit. Meaning figure out how he moves before each attack type. Keep your distance. When he chucks the green skulls at you, avoid by dashing in circles. Don't dash in the same direction as the skull's trajectory

[worldly stream]

What about builds?

[sterile fiber]

when skulls land, take them out asap, given that you're at a safe position. If they explode, you can dash through the shockwave

[worldly stream]

I know that but

Bit

[sterile fiber]

basic rail build is start with Zeus keepsake, get Lightning Strike, get Jolted

Demeter Chill boons are good for slowing him down

bring Evergreen Acorn or Lucky Tooth

when laser attack, if you're right up against him you actually don't get hit. can be a little finicky esp if you have controller drift

[cunning urchin]

@worldly stream https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing

And also read the tips I gave mallory496 here: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[rose siren]

just cuirous, people would already know what i-frame mean when they read this?

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's a commonly used term.

If they don't know, they can always ask.

The google doc is pretty much just a collection of comments I've written on the fight when people asked for help.

[rose siren]

this is a rough guide, right?

[cunning urchin]

just a collection of comments I've written on the fight when people asked for help.

[rose siren]

alright

"Gotta focus on the big picture." 😄

[past roost]

Wait are you saying I can stand at hades' face and give him hands during the lazer beams, if I stand close enough

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[past roost]

Malphon time

[subtle star]

During my last victory run…I def went through all 7 stages of grief…

• Loses first DD to Sneak: “Wait, what? How?”
• Loses next DD to Lerner: “Geez, I stink”
• Loses last DD to shielded witches: “Why am I not deflecting?!?”
• “Well that was a wasted run…”
• Maybe Patty will show up…”
• Gets down to 4 HP in a shielded shield hoard room: “Hello darkness my old friend…”
• Sees the exclamation mark in Elysium: “Patty, you beautiful, emo man that still refuses to say Zagreus’ name…”

[fading panther]

Reminds me of the times I’ve been on zero DDs, and he didn’t showed up at all 🥲

I lost the bet, it seems

[subtle star]

https://tenor.com/view/been-there-did-that-i-understand-same-colt-bennet-gif-15067891

[hearty elbow]

My first GY run, I lost... I think all 8 DDs? then died in styx.

[cunning urchin]

[magic rivet]

8??

[proper furnace]

Refilled DD with patroclus/kiss of styx ig

[hearty elbow]

3 DDs, Patty 3 DDs, Athena 2 DDs (I didn't get Chaos's lol)

[magic rivet]

I was thinking you used the tooth, but that works too

[unreal tree]

Astaos rn

Thats not very imperdable of you

[hearty elbow]

this was during my 0 heat life lmao

[proven osprey]

It's honorable

[radiant bone]

Hi guys.. Im new to hades and has been playing for 3 days now

[still ridge]

👋

[radiant bone]

Where can i find mirror build or tips for beginner like which aspect i must unlock first to help success my first run?

I already got to hades using hera (still lose though, but i think i can defeat him the second time i meet him) .. But dont have any clue for other weapon. Lol

[hearty elbow]

I know Haelian makes a lot of content like that targetted at newer players that you can check out on his youtube channel.

I remember specifically a mirror guide video and he does reviews and overviews of the aspects at an approachable level

[radiant bone]

The youtube channel called Haelian?

[lucid oar]

Yep

[hearty elbow]

It's not perfectly comprehensive but it's not meant to be. The videos are great as a jumping off point (he also does heat and speedrun stuff, so there's plenty to watch to get your feet wet). And of course if you have more specific questions this discord is great for that.

[radiant bone]

The guide still valid for the newest update? I read somewhere Chiron has been nerf in latest update

Most of his guide says v1. 0

[lucid oar]

Chiron is the only main one tbh

[radiant bone]

I just play hades so i dont know what changes in the update

[lucid oar]

There aren't many meaningful changes

You can check the full list in #hades-patch-notes

[cunning urchin]

Even after Chiron nerfs, the aspect is still pretty easy to play and the builds haven't changed.

[radiant bone]

Thats great. Thanks for the help man.. Gotta go and learn from the expert now. 😁

[hearty elbow]

You're welcome. One of the greatest things about the game is how flexible the multiple options are. You'll see a lot of disagreement over what exactly the right choice or approach for any situation is.

So, don't be afraid to experiment and find what works best for you.

[cunning urchin]

And when there's a lot of agreement about what the right choice is, it doesn't mean they are right.

[hearty elbow]

cries in Privileged Status

[proper furnace]

Does dodging an attack (as in dodge chance) triggers ruthless reflex or you need to actually dodge it with a dash?

[hearty elbow]

You need Near Miss to come up

So you need to dash. If you would have dodged the attack and you still dash to avoid it, you still get the RR proc though

[proper furnace]

Ty

[radiant bone]

Thats right.. Im always in dilema try to choosing what to build

Any suggestion what aspect to use cause i dont have many titan blood to spend. Perhaps for first level aspect that can perform well in the run? Just to beat the game for the first time? And help with the farming?

[lucid oar]

Hera is good

And is made better than level 5 Hera by the existence of one Hermes boon

Quick reload

[radiant bone]

Those titan blood seems quite rare eh

[proven osprey]

Yeah early on, you'll struggle a bit. However you can gather some blood, max a weapon, do a run with it and give up (menu option) if you're not satisfied. The last save being Zag entering the courtyard, you'll get your blood back

Of course if you enter Zag's room after upgrading a weapon it's gg wp, but still cool to know

[radiant bone]

So the auto save only save when we enter the room with skely?

We can trial perfectly fine, do the run and just give up, as long as we dont back to zag room?

[proven osprey]

Yeah absolutely. You also see a save icon

It's rather that the last save was the room > courtyard transition

Each loading screen is a save basically. When you're in the middle of the run, the same rule applies but it does not save in your save file directly but on a temporary one

That's why you can give up

It will load the primary save file

[terse thistle]

I love Chiron but I might consider Hera for loading some casts I think

[split radish]

the bow in general is just so good, no matter the aspect

[terse thistle]

It took me a while to get used to the bow. Funny how on a new file it got me first clear and then some

That homing is chefs kiss

[split radish]

for me, it fell off once I started doing runs with achilles aspect, shield in general, and rail, but for the first 15 heat mmmmmmmmmmmmmm chef's kiss

[terse thistle]

Achilles just makes you feel like a champ in many ways. Plus it has even more meaning like carrying on the teachers legacy

[split radish]

150% damage increase is so good

[proper furnace]

Non flurry achilles kinda sad tho

[split radish]

just use cast builds every time

achilles without flurry is like a banana split without the banana

but add casts, and you have two bananas

[terse thistle]

Ssj powers after a special? Yes please

[languid forum]

@cunning urchin what is your favourite aphro boon

[hearty elbow]

"yes"

[cunning urchin]

My favorite boon in the game is Blown Kiss.

[hearty elbow]

What was its old name? Something biter iirc

[cunning urchin]

...no? That was always its name.

Are you thinking of Shatter Shot?

[hearty elbow]

What was back biter?

[cunning urchin]

Oh, that was backstab damage on your Cast.

[hearty elbow]

Oh huh, was it just removed I guess? Just lumped them together in my head

[cunning urchin]

Maybe they changed it to Blown Kiss, I actually don't remember. I think it only existed in the Blood Price beta for like maybe a week or something? Not very long.

[hearty elbow]

The hell, was back biter a fever dream? There is literally 0 mention of it in this discord, no history of it in the wiki, and only one reddit thread

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, any mention of it would have been in the Blood Price beta channels.

[keen pike]

Can somebody tell me what the "combo damage" thing means on Merciful End?

[long escarp]

When you use a deflect effect to trigger the doom early, it does 40 extra damage (I think)

[split radish]

I have dio attack, aphro dash, arty special, and curse of vengeance all in tartarus god's legacy was probably the correct choice

time to hunt for 5 duos

[proper furnace]

Inb4 god's legacy is a scam and no duos appear

[cunning urchin]

Correct.

[split radish]

10% = 50% if your RNG is good enough

[long escarp]

10% = +100% chance (kinda)

[split radish]

dio offered me either splitting headache or low tol, which do I pick

[long escarp]

What weapon?

[split radish]

fists

[long escarp]

Mmm idk

[split radish]

I'm just going to close my eyes, hold up, and press a at some point

[proper furnace]

Il say low tolerance? Idk
You still can get crit chance from pressure points ig

[subtle star]

Roll the die…where are you? The other may show up later? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[split radish]

took LT, in chamber 2 of aspho I can probably just take headache later

[split radish]

How does Smoldering Air work w/ hades' call?

if it works at all

[lucid oar]

It doesnt

Makes your call useless

[cunning urchin]

You also can't get Smoldering Air if you have Hades' Aid. So you'd have to get a Call, get Smoldering Air, then purge your Call and equip the keepsake to even get that combo.

It actually used to work in 1.0, but then they nerfed Hades' Aid, so now it's no longer possible.

[vale pier]

Does Hades’ Aid just never charge enough in that scenario?

[cunning urchin]

Right.

[vale pier]

Oh yeah “capped at 25%” not capped at one call

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[thorny lava]

When using Beowulf Aspect, I seem to only get Slicing Burst from Ares, not Slicing Shot. Hunting Blades specifically requires Shot, though, so is Hunting Blades unavailable for Beowulf or do I need to roll better and find Slicing Shot?

[heavy hinge]

ok I have 17 titan bloods and 14 ambrosias, where should I spend those?

[lucid oar]

Not available

Beowulf uses "flares"

Instead of casts

[terse thistle]

Max your fav weapons

[heavy hinge]

how much does it take to max a weapon?

[lunar pulsar]

it varies slightly per aspect but 5 for zag and roughly 15 for the others

[split radish]

5 blood for Zagreus aspect, 15 for the second aspect on a weapon (for example, Nemesis aspect on the sword), 16 for the third (for example, Poseidon aspect on the sword) and 16 for the hidden aspects

[keen pike]

16?

[split radish]

yes, 16 blood for the third aspect

iirc

[lucid oar]

15 for hidden

[heavy hinge]

damn that's a lot

[lucid oar]

3/3/3/3/3

[heavy hinge]

what about my ambrosias?

[keen pike]

Ambrosia is given to NPC's

[split radish]

they are used for progressing storylines with charcters and leveling up special keepsakes called companions

[keen pike]

Or traded for more Titan blood

[heavy hinge]

I can trade them for blood too, question is what's more worth it?

[keen pike]

Depends on what you want to do

[split radish]

I recommend keeping the ambrosia, you'll regret not having enough later on

(if you have any interest in the story)

[proper furnace]

i feel like early is not bad trade a few, but dont go overboard with the trade

[keen pike]

If you want to unlock every companion you'll need to give a lot of it away, if you just want to unlock specific stuff you need much less

I'm trying to maintain 10 nectar and about 5 ish Ambrosia

Though my Nectar needs have just about finished

[heavy hinge]

gotcha gotcha

I've been kissing butts for a while now to get a single companion, no luck yet

[split radish]

yeah, you need to wait for certain dialogue that unlocks locked hearts on certain characters

[heavy hinge]

aye, heard its RNG

[split radish]

not fully rng, but sadly that's a big part

athena won't give me a dash for ME

[terse thistle]

Meg is one of the best for companion because batty wrecks

[split radish]

I really only use either Batty or Mort

sometimes Shady

[split radish]

As I leveled up Gilgamesh, Skelly said "Eww what happened to yer mitts, boyo?" even Skelly thinks Gilgamesh is bad

[thorny lava]

ty, Hera builds it is

[worn solar]

probably gunna get better mileage outta achilles with hunting blades

[terse thistle]

I didn’t think curse of drowning on eris build could be that destructive. I might’ve destroyed theseterius in record time

[cunning urchin]

@arctic charm I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect, if you're interested in that.

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[arctic charm]

Thanks!

[main marsh]

i like to call this one "the cluster bomb"

Hera bow
Maxed out infernal soul
Chaos "grasp" boon
Fully loaded (artemis legendary)
if possible, prometheus stone
cast of your choice, i personaly like ares, poseidon or artemis

Bonus: if you are going for ares cast on this build, getting the artemis duo "hunting blades" is a good idea.

[long escarp]

i like to call this one “the cluster bomb”

Any Rail Aspect
Cluster Bomb Hammer

Bonus: Pick up Rocket Bomb for “Cluster Rocket”

[main marsh]

that is just rocket barrage

[long escarp]

No it’s cluster bomb

[fallow robin]

Cluster rocket barrage

Zag gonna give you the CRB

[errant narwhal]

is there a spreadsheet out there for how much damage each enemy does? i know there is one for enemy health

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so.

[unreal tree]

yeah I dont recall either

[split radish]

I picked epic greatest reflex over rare rush delivery on hermes with hyper sprint, choices in this game are brutal sometimes

[long escarp]

What weapon

[split radish]

zeus

shield

[long escarp]

I don’t agree with that choice then

Do you have divine dash?

[split radish]

yup

[long escarp]

Mmm then maybe it’s correct

5x divine dash is unparalleled

Well except by smoldering rip current

[split radish]

is it even worth upgrading arthur

15 titan blood for some DR

[worn solar]

well if there arent better ones to

[terse thistle]

It comes down to personal preference. On my original file Arthur got me 94 consecutive clears. Granted there’s no heat but still. And it’s pretty hard to mess up the build. Just remember it’s a slow weapon but still can be devastating

[long escarp]

I would literally lose my mind doing 94 consecutive Arthur wins

[vivid crow]

Impressive, almost 70hrs straight of Arthur lol

[terse thistle]

I almost lost the streak at one point but Arthur pulls through… it’s just one of the more defensive weapons but used right is just insane imo. The huge swing and everything in its path just dies. Priceless. Even at base damage it’s still pretty crazy. And max level within the field you’re tanking damage like nothing

[long escarp]

I wouldn’t say it’s “one of the most defensive weapons” personally

[terse thistle]

Yeah that explains my 200-260 hrs spent

[terse thistle]

Offensively defensive seems more fitting

[long escarp]

Mmm idk

[terse thistle]

Either way it’s my current fav hidden aspect since it’s almost all good minus the slow swing speed. 50 extra health. Damage reduction within the field. Huge swing. Easy to make a build.

[proper furnace]

Everytime i play arthur it just turn into "play smoldering air"

[long escarp]

Well you could describe any weapon like that and make it sound good, but ok

[long escarp]

Gotta get some actual damage and safety from somewhere

[proper furnace]

tbf smoldering air is great on everything

[terse thistle]

All I do is weak or Crits…

[long escarp]

Deadly Strike on Arthur feels pretty bad imo

[terse thistle]

Probably but I’ve terminated many with back attacks hitting huge damage

[proper furnace]

Is satisfying when that 15% hits on the 3rd swing but most of the time is just base dmg

[long escarp]

Pretty tiny swings 85% of the time

Heartbreak Strike is the way to go

[terse thistle]

I once did 3.5k on dad and that was so glorious.

Also that is where casts comes in… granny ice beam crystal and bam

[long escarp]

Where do you see Stubborn Roots doing anything at, say, 40 heat with TD3?

Restoring 18 health against Hades?

[split radish]

how much hp does it heal/second again?

[long escarp]

1hp every 0.8 seconds

[split radish]

god that's bad

[long escarp]

Yeah it’s super worthless

[split radish]

seemed way better during the run

if devs made it 2 per 0.8, would that still be laughable?

[long escarp]

Idk

Hard to say

[split radish]

2.25/second

so if you had, say, 1.5 minutes left

202 hp healed

if you didn't just cap.

the only use for it in my mind is lessening the damage from deadline, but only by 1

[torpid bridge]

Question: which cast are best with Beowulf shield?

I can never remember

[long escarp]

Passion, Trippy, or Flood

Trippy is great with extra chaos bloodstones and Stygian soul, but it’s a high roll build

Passion is the most damage and is best for high heat imo

[split radish]

based icy flare

[long escarp]

Flood is decent damage and a prereq for Mirage Shot

Icy Flare is bottom 5 boons in the game

The Pom scaling is offensively bad

Genuinely blows my mind how terrible that boon is

[split radish]

what's the worst boon in the game in your opinion Pancake

[long escarp]

Peer Pressure

[split radish]

peer pressure does literally nothing

even drunk dash is better

[long escarp]

Drunken dash is honestly not that bad, especially if you’re doing DC2 and don’t need a dash slot

[torpid bridge]

Gotcha, that’s Aphrodite, Poseidon and Dionysius?

[split radish]

yes

[long escarp]

Yep

[torpid bridge]

Alright, thanks y’all