h1-builds-and-combat

[sonic mural]

maybe

or hope u dont get witches

[fading nymph]

tempest strike is just such sad damage though

[cunning urchin]

Just be sure to equip the Harpy Feather Duster throughout.

[dusky drum]

yea im thinking athena attack and honestly building ME wouldnt be bad

just get hyper sprint

[fading nymph]

even without dash, attack special doesn't seem too bad

Just realized even with sprint your on monodash

until seccond Hermes

[dusky drum]

thats not bad at all

you can i-frame through literally everything

[fading nymph]

yeah just feels so weird to play

[dusky drum]

"control recommendation" 😎

[craggy rapids]

The shield is currently my least favorite weapon by far. It's slow, it's weak, it sucks. Propose a build to help me understand why everyone else loves it so much.

Preferably not a dash build, not a fan of those.

[dusky drum]

zeus shield with zeus special

literally the only build i like

you can also run ME on zeus shield

beo aspect is a cast weapon so :/

its instantly one of the strongest in the game

just slap dio cast with scint feast and ice wine

or aphro cast

then idk about chaos shield builds :<

[craggy rapids]

What I don't get about the Beo Shield and Hera bows is that it isn't actually increasing your damage at all. It's just adding individual attacks together into one bigger attack. Isn't that usually bad unless you are expecting a crit?

[dusky drum]

its because you can burn several casts at once that are really powerful

like dio cast i think has the highest base damage in the game, the second you pick up common one arrow from hera bow now is essentially 340 damage

being able to burst things like that is insane

and say you build stygian soul and get lucky with extra casts, you almost always have that damage up

[cunning urchin]

Hera and Beowulf can one-shot practically everything that isn't a boss if your build comes together.

[dusky drum]

^^

like artemis cast is nice on them since its just a solid damage cast that has crit rate so its able to push insane numbers if you crit

but stuff like dio and aphro just naturally are really insane damage wise

and being able to take away the arc from dio cast is super good

since you go from needing to wait a second or 2 for it to hit the ground to being instantaneous with your attack

[cunning urchin]

Cast build guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Crush Shot Hera guide: #h1-discussion message

Those might help.

[cunning urchin]

True Shot has no AOE, so it's pretty bad on Hera relative to other options.

And the base damage is low.

[dusky drum]

its solid if you arent playing at higher difficulties tho

def helped with my lower heats when i first started playing

once you get to higher stuff for sure you need good aoe and cc

[cunning urchin]

If by solid you mean good enough, sure. Still a lot worse than other options.

[dusky drum]

at least its not demeter cast 😔

or pos 😔

demeter cast needs achilles spear lol

[cunning urchin]

Flood Shot Hera is pretty good.

And amazing on Beowulf.

Crush Shot dominates the Hera meta now, but Flood Shot was still competitive at one point.

Easy access to Mirage Shot is pretty good.

And the AOE is great.

[sterile fiber]

Mirage Flood Shot is hilarious if anything, just boots enemies across the map

[visual jungle]

No dash until theseus

Sounds like a fun challenge though honestly! :o

Something different ☺️

[proper furnace]

just get hyper sprint

[dusky drum]

^^

get hypersprint as the beginning room drop

ez

or become crazy with deflect with athena attack

dash nova 😩

[proper furnace]

btw for the "no dash until you fight asterius-theseus", does it means until reaching the battle or after killing them?

[cunning urchin]

Until you reach the battle.

You can use Dash in the fight.

[waxen shell]

Sounds fun! I'll try it out in a second lol

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[waxen shell]

Also, quick sidenote: how're you guys planning on policing the no dashing rule?

Well, no dashing until Theseus/Asterius

[cunning urchin]

Me girl.

[waxen shell]

Lol

[cunning urchin]

I just trust you to follow the rules.

[waxen shell]

Makes sense

Scout's Honor and all

[proper furnace]

i disabled dash already bc i dont trust me to not dash as soon as possible lmao

[fading nymph]

[waxen shell]

Wait, you can disable dash?

[cunning urchin]

There's nothing to win. The only one you'd be cheating is yourself.

[waxen shell]

Exactly

[cunning urchin]

But if you do that and still have fun.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd recommend unbinding Dash until you reach the fight or find Hyper Sprint, yeah.

[waxen shell]

Well yeah

If you play the game enough, it's just gonna be engrained in your muscle memory

I'll unbind it then.

[proper furnace]

thanatos beated me, who would have tought

[cunning urchin]

Oh no!

[limber whale]

poooooooooog
thank you for another Challenge

[sterile fiber]

I wonder if the sword hammer that lets you leap forward when you special will become useful

[opaque hare]

mf does sometimes, when you get a lot of armored chariots or something

[bronze marten]

Link to the past hades? Okay

I did one loosely based on Star Wars squadrons the other day 😅

[sterile fiber]

Cleared Elysium. Now the hardest part is remembering that dash exists

[raw blade]

this monthly challenge ☠️

no dashes

gonna die in asphodel

[sterile fiber]

done, my starting kit broke it so much I felt kind of bad. Tartarus Flood Shot let me just kite enemies forever, then got Poseidon's aid for movement + invulnerability, and comboed with Second Wind for nice eHP.
Divine Flourish trashed the chariots and splitters, and whole thing was topped off with Flurry Divine Strike.
Went into Styx thinking "the only way this could be more broken is if I get Rupture" and sure enough it was there

Second hammer was sadly not cooperative

[cunning urchin]

Time to do the Extra Challenge.

[sterile fiber]

one dash EM4

[sterile fiber]

the lava gaps can be walked across without taking damage, provided you don't stop in them. Not sure how much maxing Zag Sword helps

Tartarus traps, however, can't be walked across without activating

[long escarp]

“Provided you don’t stop in them”

Do you mean that you can walk as much as you want in lava without taking damage as long as your keep moving? Because that isn’t true

[cunning urchin]

Nope, that's not what he said.

[long escarp]

Oh ok

I must have misunderstood

What did he mean?

[lone jetty]

The gaps between islands are small enough that you can walk across before the lava damage starts ticking, I think

[long escarp]

Ohh ok

Well that kinda depends doesn’t it?

[royal needle]

Is the September challenge only gonna be open for the rest of September?

[cunning urchin]

You can submit runs at any time after September.

That also goes for any of the previous challenges.

[sterile fiber]

uh... So about that MM doomstone...

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[proper furnace]

Have fun if the barge appears in aspho

[royal needle]

Also is it any zag aspect?

[cunning urchin]

Zagreus Sword.

I've updated it. Nice catch.

[sterile fiber]

Divine Flourish.

wait.
You can't get into Eurydice's room

And can't leave unless you talk to her

[royal needle]

Alright thanks for the info

[cunning urchin]

You may dash for that.

[plucky harbor]

Aww... I was about to do a zag bow

Link does use bow so

[cunning urchin]

Zag Sword.

[plucky harbor]

Ok

[sterile fiber]

made a youtube playlist of the music
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdY5NMbabwQqewIz4cvEZmcaTapnFFUIy

[plucky harbor]

Nice

Don't think I'll record myself failing miserably but nice

[sterile fiber]

hopefully the tracks are right, never played Zelda

[sterile fiber]

get a decent cast in Tart and kite for days

[plucky harbor]

Yea i guess that's the best strat

[atomic bolt]

nice!!!!

[plucky harbor]

But I'll do attack build

Just because

[atomic bolt]

playing hades WITHOUT DASHING? yea ill die lmao

[cunning urchin]

Good luck! I believe in you!

[atomic bolt]

thank you time to become a master at kiting i guess aslasçl

[cunning urchin]

The Hyrule Field Main Theme in your playlist is in mono instead of stereo.

[sterile fiber]

Now?

[split radish]

is the Empowering Flight hammer viable for zeus shields?

[maiden haven]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-matthew-mc-conaughey-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-6096185

[split radish]

is there a damage cap in hades?

if so, what is it?

[dusky drum]

i dont think so

[cunning urchin]

Still mono.

[dusky drum]

thats the "every time the special hits the next 2 attacks have +80%" right??

if so yea i use it generally

[split radish]

yesh

[sterile fiber]

the other tracks are ok?

[split radish]

it might be a visual bug, but I don't see the swirling buff effect on Zeus

[dusky drum]

hmm, i dont think thats ever happened to me

but yea probably just a bug

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[sterile fiber]

hmm. lemme deal with EM Dad first

[sterile fiber]

https://youtu.be/Jx3lu2nEQ2A
aight this is definitely stereo

[sterile fiber]

replaced some tracks with higher quality versions

[cunning urchin]

Remember to submit your run to the sheet.

[sterile fiber]

btw watch out for EM Lernie in the monthly challenge, the heads can clog you up

[sterile fiber]

yes when I get to a computer

thanks for this month's challenge, it was really fun and got me to study enemy attack patterns more

[turbid needle]

bro i have such a good build....zues sheild,zues special,support fire

thats literaly it

its so good

[acoustic vale]

Yes

[turbid needle]

im on the road to kill hades 10 times

to get the real ending

[sleek quarry]

Hello

Any Beowulf build? Who is stronger chaos or Beowulf? Is Beowulf worth to upgrade??

@ me ty 🤗

[toxic siren]

Beowulf is god

It is more than worth upgrading, but its pretty hard to play

[subtle star]

Upgrade it and learn how to use it…plenty of guides and knowledgeable folk here. You will thank us eventually…

[toxic siren]

the charge you gotta get down

and the other thing with the cast I cant explain

[unreal tree]

@sleek quarry flood flare and artemis attack, aim for mirage shot, beowulf is by far the strongest shield

charged shot hammer is the best followed by sudden rush

[granite abyss]

So uhhh, I just melted Hades entirely by accident.

Achilles spear
Flurry Jab
Athena Attack and dash
Blinding Flash
Ares special
Athena/Ares duo
Poseidon/Ares duo
Poseidon/Zeus duo
Zeus aid
Double Strike
Everything just... died. Triple load Flood Shot, throw spear, dash to it, and hold attack as I watch explosions and lightning rain down everywhere like Zag accidentally walked into an EDM concert. Even Hades was just... confused when he died.

I had other stuff, of course, but I think that set is what really did it at the end of the day.

[solar dawn]

flurry jab do be like that

[subtle star]

Merciful end and seastorm running simultaneously? Yes please!

[terse thistle]

Flurry jab is a spear game changer always bet on flurry jab

[acoustic vale]

Is it just me, or is Beowulf one of those weapons that's only really good if you get certain things on the run? Like, Beowulf without the charged shot thing and a strong cast seems really poor in my experience

[ionic crown]

don’t really need charged shot

and cast wise many work with it

[long escarp]

I feel like Beo doesn’t need a ton

Charged shot is definitely not required

Even without a cast it’s pretty strong imo

Well at least against Tartarus enemies

I never leave Tartarus without a cast

[bronze marten]

If you’re on controller, beowulf becomes way better with a controller remap that allows you to charge rush and load casts simultaneously

[acoustic vale]

PC master race. Is loading casts while charging intended?

[long escarp]

I’d assume it’s intended yeah

It took me too long to learn to do that

[bronze marten]

Kbm or controller?

Assuming kbm

[acoustic vale]

Kbm

[bronze marten]

Ok word. If you can hold the bull rush charge button and hit the cast button while charging you should be good

[opaque hare]

does dash upper beneffits from dash strike boons from chaos?

[proper furnace]

I think so

[terse thistle]

What’s a good weapon that benefits from Sisyphus shackles? Without really needing any boons?

[cunning urchin]

Hestia.

[terse thistle]

Okie dokie ty

[strange lark]

cool

one dash sword is evil

[cunning urchin]

You can do it! I believe in you!

[ionic crown]

@cunning urchin just to clarify, if by some random luck I get hyper sprint while doing this challenge, I can use dashes?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[ionic crown]

pog

[slender halo]

which gods work best with each of the aspects?

not enough titan blood to unlock one of the spear aspects rip

[fair pier]

Nemesis (on the sword) is really good with Artemis

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus are a great combo on anything.

[fair pier]

Poseidon is good on big hit weapons like ||aspect of Arthur|| on the sword

[slender halo]

I think right now I have nemesis on sword, Zeus on shield,chiron on bow, talos on fist and eris on rail

[polar python]

Question: If I have flood shot and sea storm with jolted, does curse of drowning replace the knock back effect and negate sea storm?

[strange lark]

no i dont think so

[polar python]

So I get knock back from the pulse?

Not sure I've ever used curse of downing. Does 3x cast stack with it?

[strange lark]

idk i havent used CoD in a while

[polar python]

So each cast does 3 pulses and I have 3 casts implies 9 pulses in total but If i dump them all at once is it 3 big pulses?

[lucid oar]

I don't think so

[polar python]

I'm op for dad anyway so might just find out

[split radish]

was tidal dash removed as a prerequisite for all poseidon duos or just sea storm?

[errant narwhal]

you can check in game through the codex with the codex index upgrade

[split radish]

oh right forgot about that

[split radish]

anyone know how to build around zeus shield? the aspect looks fun but I have no idea how to use it

[proper furnace]

Zeus special, then get more zeus

If possible an aphro boon (attack/cast/dash) and a decent call for smoldering air

[terse thistle]

Personally I found aphro & Artie better. Sweet sweet crits

[split radish]

arty plus arthur is so chunky

and with shadow slash + eris bangle mmmm

[terse thistle]

Zeus special and probably tidal dash then add in some Artie/aphro on attack and let it rip

[split radish]

so just throw the special and beat everything else with base shield?

[proper furnace]

Pretty much

Meeciful end build also works

[split radish]

merciful end works on p much everything tbh

[proper furnace]

Exactly

[lucid oar]

Maybe apart from zag bow

But it's still probably good

[terse thistle]

Pretty much, Zeus shield is literally a flying disc of destruction. First time I ran a test it wiped the floor with everything

[opaque hare]

i just found out that sea storm works with any knock away effect

does the magetic cutter counts?

[ionic crown]

It works on poseidon boons

[proven osprey]

It's not a knock back

Sea storm works on shield basic attack besides beowulf

Sword special too iirc

[opaque hare]

(Note: This includes non-boon sources, like the shield's attack and the sword lunge and special)

says the wiki

[ionic crown]

mfw

[proven osprey]

[ionic crown]

anyways talos cutter isn’t a knockback thing right

[opaque hare]

you got busted

[ionic crown]

it’s like the opposite really

[opaque hare]

yea just checking

it procs rupture tho

[proven osprey]

tfw you're invisible

[worn solar]

shackle hestia plus hazard bomb stonks https://imgur.com/a/7AxkMyb

[granite lava]

how would you rework calculated risk? make it do something else that's balanced and viable in a build?

[cunning urchin]

No need to rework it at all.

[granite lava]

why? it's very bad

[lunar pulsar]

you could probably just increase the slowdown

I don't think it needs much more

[manic zephyr]

wait how you make that lernie fight? 😄

[lucid oar]

Extreme measures 2

[manic zephyr]

oh ty 😄

[sterile fiber]

tried a few more runs of the monthly challenge and managed to beat Than in Tartarus one time

[granite lava]

that was some ultra instinct level movement

[cunning urchin]

It's not bad at all. Whatever makes you say that?

[granite lava]

everyone saying it's bad

[cunning urchin]

I don't really know who "everyone" is tbh.

Speedrunners will definitely call anything bad that's not DPS, I guess.

[split radish]

what are ya'll's opinions on Zag bow? it carried my early heat bounty farming personally

[sterile fiber]

good stuff

[worn solar]

zag bow good like all bow aspects

[split radish]

bow is just generally high-tier

[opaque hare]

does splitting blot hits the same target that got the lighnting strike or just enemies close to it

[split radish]

I'd assume the same target

[worn solar]

both

[terse thistle]

Hestia makes me think of rail gun with that empowered shot

[bronze marten]

Same target and if there’s another bad guy nearby, they’ll get hit too

Has an aoe

Palpatine.gif

[opaque hare]

is it me or wave ponding is kinda meh

maybe i am missing something

[bronze marten]

It’s a nice to have that will help the dad fight if you’re Poseidon heavy and it shines on flood shot beo, but besides that it’s whatever

[fervent solar]

i had a fight with dad with no lifes left but with regen while on no reserves .. was the longest fight ever but he never got me even down to 80% as i was using lady demeters crystals and her divine power

the cold lady power is sure getting used to , the special while ALL enemies are chilled sure helps in arena by the time the mino is dead, the other is 3/4 down aswell

[bronze marten]

Those are the most satisfying wins for sure, the real sweaty ones where the Hail Mary at the end works

There’s been a lot of Demeter hype today, love to see it

[fervent solar]

she is a cool lady , with her powers .. i do wonder if Hera is ever gona join the struggle .. if so i havent been long enough in the game

[sterile fiber]

||she doesn't show up personally, but sends her nukey bow to help your cause||

[fervent solar]

||is that the 4th weapon upgrade ? ||

[bronze marten]

3rd - if u have blood you could unlock it literally right now lol

[proven osprey]

It's good to have bad boons imo

Like it may be helpful in what, Asphodel? It's terrible against dad for sure and you're happy to have it if you encounter a specific enemy (strongbows on drugs maybe?)

But every boon must not be good

[acoustic vale]

It seems to me that there are very few boons that really should be buffed, the main one being the Artemis/aphro duo

[worn solar]

uh wut heart rend needs a buff?

[acoustic vale]

No wait, aphro/Demeter

Don't ask how I did that cause I don't have an explanation

[worn solar]

wdym cold embrace is op

way better than crystal clarity

[shell sleet]

what are some easy achilles spear builds?

[worn solar]

generally i start with artemis, pick up demeter or ares cast in tartarus and/or use one of their keepsakes in aspho, then go for their duos snd cast buffing boons. usually going with stygian soul and tryna get extra casts from chaos

[shell sleet]

is ares cast actually that good? i used it once and found it meh

[proven osprey]

It's ok on Achilles with the the duo Hunting blades

Otherwise the cast is pretty bad

[worn solar]

yeah its good with hunting blades and achilles but otherwise meh

same with demeter cast you need the duo

[fervent solar]

@bronze marten i should then, if i have the blood . will check asap i am back "home"

[sage yarrow]

What happens at -102% movement speed

Not sure where else to ask this haha

[ruby pebble]

see for the shattered shackle, does it become inactive only when some boon boosts % base dmg of the regular attack, or does it become inactive when regular attack gets some special effects like hangover too

[ionic crown]

Your walking speed is very, very slow

like trying to run in water slow

[cunning urchin]

The attack bonus is gone when you take any boon for the Attack slot. But you still get the bonus for Special and Cast.

[ruby pebble]

thanks

tbh it sounds like it might be a good idea to take shackles for the first region and switch it for something else later if u find a good attack boon

[terse thistle]

Or just take shackles, pop in hestia…. And blow stuff up

[rugged geyser]

Isnt taking aphro / arty more useful

[fervent solar]

is there somewhere advice for fishing ? i keep going to early ..

[ionic crown]

If there are three fake bobs, the next one is definitely a fish

[fervent solar]

k will give that a try .. but i do always wonder, why are there in so many games fish mini games

[subtle star]

Just wait for the flash of light…once it disappears, the time to trigger is pretty forgiving. No worries, I struggled at the beginning too but once you get itc you will get it

[fervent solar]

oke , rail gun , with auto seeking main attack, bomber aoe and seeking cast . and cold aoe dps . guess indeed every run is differant

dash from poseidon .

this asks for run around and cast, shoot at will .

( sigh ) add triple burst with no reloading needed ..

[fervent solar]

how to unlock the 4th power of the weapons .. is that after beating dad a certain number of times ?

[proper furnace]

check #h1-story-discussion pins

[solar dawn]

@cunning urchin I have 2 questions about the challenge thing: Do I need to record it, and if I go to eurydice am I allowed to dash just to get past the wall?

[surreal creek]

hey so i have been playing a lot of shield and i wanna try another weapon. i have completed the main story. i have unlocked sword, spear, bow and gun 4th aspects. so not the fist. anyone got a build and aspect for one of the 5 weapons other than shield i can try and have fun with?

[ionic crown]

aphrodite on arthur attack

big numbers

[cunning urchin]

You don't need to record it. Victory screenshot is fine. And you may dash in Eurydice's room.

[solar dawn]

thanks!

[cunning urchin]

[ionic crown]

when in doubt

[solar dawn]

Died on phase 3 em4 hades last attempt, gonna get it this time!

[ionic crown]

Use lady aphrodite

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[surreal creek]

that it? what do i get else? do i go for a duo boon?

[ionic crown]

Really don’t need to

if you want you could instead aphro on special, artemis on attack and go for heart rend

[surreal creek]

aphro attack sounds easier and more consistent

[cunning urchin]

Passion Dash for Weak if you want to go for Heart Rend.

And in either case, get Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air.

[surreal creek]

ok thx. any hammers im looking for?

[cunning urchin]

Shadow Slash, Double Edge, and Greater Consecration are really good.

[surreal creek]

i have the coice of greater consecration, double nova or breaching slash. do i go breaching or consecration?

[ionic crown]

Consecration

[cunning urchin]

I'd probably take Greater Consecration. But either is fine.

[bronze marten]

I’d go breaching because elysium scary 😶

and I forget to use my special

[cunning urchin]

Maybe Elysium would be less scary if you didn't forget to use your Special.

[ionic crown]

Elysium isn’t scary if you just imagine caving theseus’s face in

[bronze marten]

boomstick go brr

two hits to break armor pretty based

but personal preference, i havnet done a boomstick run in a while

[cunning urchin]

It's mainly the fact that Breaching Slash doesn't help too much vs Hades himself while Greater Consecration helps anywhere.

[bronze marten]

Yeah, that makes sense

[cunning urchin]

It can help with his summons, though.

[bronze marten]

Let’s put special on a back button and see if it makes it more intuitive

[cunning urchin]

I also just like the Hallowed Ground mechanic.

[bronze marten]

It is pretty neat

[ionic crown]

hallowed ground is fun

dmg reduction and projectile slowing

Pog

[bronze marten]

My fav boomstick is Athena attack deadly reversal

Just the whole giant lightsaber power fantasy

I guess slowing fools down makes it easier to use the force

[surreal creek]

whats a good keepsake to go ion elysium? i generally go god in tartarus and asphodel and acorn against hades but what do i go for elysium?

[bronze marten]

If you have money, hourglass

And buy a bunch of boosts at well

Or coin purse

Or acorn if you’re nervous about em3

[ionic crown]

harpy feather duster

[proper furnace]

acorn is a comfy choice (except for em4 ig)

[turbid needle]

guys please help me ... im tired of trying to find a build thats possible in the majority of my runs ... every good build i see is so based on high rng im tired of it...i want you guys to help me make the most simple and op build in hades

[ionic crown]

not really

[bronze marten]

How far in are you

[ionic crown]

lots of builds are actually simple

Get aspect

Put on god keepsake

Get boon

Profit

[bronze marten]

How many runs have u done

[ionic crown]

Geck

[turbid needle]

ive beat the final boss 5 times

[bronze marten]

Ok word

[turbid needle]

failed many more times

so pls

[bronze marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY42CJs159Q

[turbid needle]

reccomend build

[bronze marten]

there ya go

have six

[turbid needle]

ok i watch rn

[ionic crown]

nemesis sword, artemis attack, aphrodite dash

heart rend

[bronze marten]

pretty sure that one's covered in the video haha

[ionic crown]

Zeus attack on any of the uhhh, rail aspects

bunch of zeus boons

[bronze marten]

nemesis crit spam

[turbid needle]

Dionysus special on shield aspect of zeus

[proper furnace]

hestia is crying rn

[ionic crown]

shield of chaos and like what? Maybe uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ares special

[bronze marten]

zeus special on zeus aspect

[turbid needle]

Yeah, or Dionysus to get those hangover stacks!

[ionic crown]

Yeah

you could do talos yo yo as a stupid fun one

or a meme beam run

[turbid needle]

Malphon Zagreus aspect + lambent plume

With the right Hermes boons you can get up to 50% evasion

[proper furnace]

you can easily go to 100%

not always up but every so often

[turbid needle]

if you're fast you can

[proper furnace]

i mean ruthless reflex already gives you 50% dodge chance

zag fists is 15% and 2nd wind is 30% at common

if anything is how often you can maintain 2nd wind or how many times you triggered the plume

[ionic crown]

and stack with plume to maximumer

[sterile fiber]

What are some of the worst builds that aren't hammer dependent, besides Tempest Strike Guan Yu

[cunning urchin]

Tempest Strike Guan Yu is actually decent.

[turbid needle]

I think honestly whenever the boons don't synergize at all

[turbid needle]

all of the builds are dependant on something rare

bro

it isnt possible XD

[bronze marten]

if you get like, 60% of what he tells you to get, you're set

but part of the game is being able to adapt

i can't say "get these five boons and you win automatically" thats not how its meant to work unfortunately 😦

[cunning urchin]

M curious what you mean by rare. Can you give an example?

[ionic crown]

Double edge isn’t rare

and neither is deadly strike

You also don’t need heart rend or extra dashes, just makes it easier

hunting blades isn’t that rare either, just like get what, an artemis flourish and the ares cast

Have legacy active

like none of the builds so far are rare

Especially not beowulf trippy shot

you could easily get that run going in the first room

[turbid needle]

anything you can get consitantly is not rare for example dou boons are rare

[ionic crown]

They’re not

just put on god’s legacy and you have a fair chance of getting at least one every run if you take gods

[turbid needle]

i mean something like zeus aspect sheild and zeus attack and athena dash is ezoz

ezpz*

u can find 2 boons and boom you set

[ionic crown]

Most of the builds in that video are easy

[turbid needle]

beyblade go wee and hied in corner

[turbid needle]

i guess i gotta give it a go

ok

ty

bue

[bronze marten]

Also just like, play the game - you’re guaranteed your choice of starting god and that literally it

Trying to follow a recipe can work, but the skill of how to adapt if it doesn’t can only be learned through practice

[cunning urchin]

You can get Duo Boons consistently.

[turbid needle]

how?

[proper furnace]

Knowing what boons opens the duos, avoid picking boons that may open other things/using yarn of ariadne or refreshing nectar to boost your chances

[bronze marten]

use your codex

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, for starters avoid boons that unlock Duo Boons that you don't want.

And use Dark Foresight and Gods' Legacy.

And Fated Persuasion.

[turbid needle]

Gilgamesh Autodosh, Greater reflexes, Tidal Dash+knockback boon/rupture buffs

So fun

[surreal creek]

atm im enjoying playing with the sword. but when im done i need to start farming with the bow, spear, fists and gun. i have the 4th aspect for all but the fists but will probably get it soon. which weapon and which aspect u recommend?

[long escarp]

Just for fun?

Rama is super good and also my favorite aspect in the game

Hestia and Eris are both very fun and good

Chiron is an easy introduction to the bow if you’re having trouble with it

Achilles spear enables some really ridiculous cast builds

Beowulf is arguably the best aspect in the game but it definitely takes some practice to be good with

[worn solar]

all bow aspects are good

[long escarp]

Hera is good but really falls off when you go past 32 heat

[surreal creek]

im only at heat like 10 on my highest weapon. im trying to get every weapon to that. so i think rama bow?

[long escarp]

At 10 heat every weapon is good

[worn solar]

rama takes a bit more getting used to the bow due to the longer charge time

[surreal creek]

yeah i know. which spear aspect would u recommend?

[long escarp]

Achilles is fun

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu.

[long escarp]

You can do cast builds with Achilles and you don’t even have to play spear

I would advise against Guan Yu

[worn solar]

would recommend achilles achilles and achilles

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu is good and a lot of fun.

[long escarp]

Guan Yu is not good, although it can be fun with specific hammers

[worn solar]

until you just get zag shot with twin shot

[cunning urchin]

Yes, it's good. We're not talking about 40+ or speedruns here lol.

[ionic crown]

Guan Yu maxed out is good

[long escarp]

Sure sure. But even at low heat it’s not very good imo

[ionic crown]

If you’re not that good at the game

70% health debuffs hurt

Like a lot

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike spin builds and Charged Skewer builds can easily cheese the game.

[long escarp]

Nyaa by that metric every aspect is amazing. Compared to most aspects in the game, Guan Yu is not great (especially if you’re inexperienced) imo

So does 50%

[bronze marten]

@cunning urchin you were right, big excalibur special aura super useful

[ionic crown]

hurts way less

[cunning urchin]

Nah, you can't cheese the game as well with most other aspects as you can with Guan Yu.

[long escarp]

Well you need a very specific build. So unless you’re gonna tell the player exactly what boons to get and how to play the aspect, then they’re probably not gonna do that if they’re new

[cunning urchin]

Aspect is very flexible.

So unless you’re gonna tell the player
I mean I wrote a guide for the aspect.

[long escarp]

Right but new people on this server hate feeling like they’re being told what to do

That much I have picked up

[ionic crown]

They hate feeling condescended upon

[worn solar]

just cheese with the power of hestia rail

smh ppl sleep on hestia

[long escarp]

Who?

[worn solar]

[long escarp]

I cheesed my early runs with Chiron

[proper furnace]

just choose boons until it works

[spice brook]

...what's an easy build with malphon

i've gotten pretty far with malphon and lambent plume, and i've been trying to get as many hermes and artemis boons as possible but it's. Difficult

[lone jetty]

Zeus attack, get lots more Zeus. Slot Aphrodite somewhere and go for Smoldering Air

[bronze marten]

Zeus attack and jolted go brr

[sterile fiber]

Be on the lookout for support fire

[flat summit]

I forgot but do crystal beam hits count for support fure

Same for blade vortexes?

[lucid oar]

No

Support fire is every time you cast, and every time your attack/special hits

[visual jungle]

I tried the monthly challenge and got killed by lernie

[cunning urchin]

Hang in there! I believe in you!

[spice brook]

monthly challenge?

[sterile fiber]

Check pins here

[sterile fiber]

hide behind pillars. Unless you're doing the extra challenge...

[split turret]

anyone got any ideas for an aspect of talos build?

[cunning urchin]

Start with Flood Shot and then aim for Blizzard Shot.

Ideally with Deadly Strike and Heavy Knuckle.

The downside of Blizzard Shot is that it keeps knocking enemies out of its AOE.

But with Talos, you can pull them right back into it.

[split turret]

got long knuckle, draining cutter and quake cutter. which should i go? also thanks

[cunning urchin]

Long Knuckle.

The others can be fun, though.

[split radish]

is talos supposed to be the fist's cast aspect?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Well, it really uses the whole toolset.

[split radish]

so, similar to eris then?

[cunning urchin]

Although, you can cancel your Special with a Dash immediately after doing the pull and never use the Uppercut but still apply the debuff.

[split radish]

that's how I usually play Talos, yeah

[lone jetty]

Black Out (Dio cast and attack) can do some work on Talos

[cunning urchin]

m very relieved that people are finally using my tech without me having to tell them about it.

[lone jetty]

I like that Blizzard Shot build idea that’s clever

[cunning urchin]

That's what I used for Talos WR in Blood Price.

[lone jetty]

Noice

[cunning urchin]

Actually nevermind, that ended up being Merciful End... I remember doing something with that build, though, and then Tailesque beat my record with the same build shortly after that...

Hmm. Maybe I didn't record it.

[split radish]

is heavy knuckle offerable with Gilga?

[lone jetty]

If you find a vid let me know that sounds fun. I’m gonna give that a go soon

[cunning urchin]

No.

[split radish]

expected that

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine do you have a Talos Blizzard Shot video? I know we both did that with Deadly Strike and Heavy Knuckle, but I don't seem to have a recording of it...

[mighty ermine]

i don't think i ever uploaded the recording of that if it was during a high heat run

i remember some 40-something talos run with deadly strike heavy knuckle but i'm not sure if that also had blizzard shot

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's the one m talking about.

I was pretty sure you also had Blizzard Shot, but I could be misremembering.

[bronze marten]

Def trying blizzard shot talos on the plane

Think I’ve used it twice ever

[waxen shell]

Just did the Monthly challenge and recorded it; about to upload it now

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations!

[waxen shell]

2 1/2 hours left on the upload lmao

[worn solar]

@cunning urchin wait am i allowed to dash to get to eurydice

for the monthly challenge

[worn solar]

nvm

[turbid needle]

easy build for spear? i can use really anything but im not a huge fan of achilles

[worn solar]

well achilles is probably the best

do you have the hidden aspect?

well idk if hidden is necessarily easy

[turbid needle]

yeah i have guan yu

i overall suck with spear so

its the only weapon i dont have a clear with

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a short guide for Guan Yu here. #h1-discussion message

[worn solar]

easiest spear build though is just achilles with meme beams or hunting blades

though youre pretty doing nothing but casting by the end

[lone jetty]

https://imgur.com/a/tWRsGQN ok this stomps

[sterile fiber]

When trying for Disciple of X clears should I use Fated Authority to roll more boons or Persuation to get the Legendary

[cunning urchin]

Authority.

[lone jetty]

Oh boo 5-sacked that was a promising run too

Thanks for the build idea @cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing.

[lone jetty]

Why must I try these things on 40 heat

[worn solar]

okay no dash aint as bad as i thought without FO https://streamable.com/b9crxc

[turbid needle]

what keepsake best for final boss figt?

i take skelly

coz i suck

but i wanna know

what you guys take

[worn solar]

acorn

considering how dad hits very hard, a max acorn with 5 charges will usually prevent a lot more than 100 damage

[turbid needle]

eudrice's keepsake?

[worn solar]

yes

[turbid needle]

i thought that was useless

[worn solar]

well it completely negates 5 hits

no damage, no stun

like dad hits for 40 damage with his sweep

80 if you ate a skull first

[turbid needle]

i have god on

[turbid needle]

ah yes those annoying af skulls

[worn solar]

well in that case tooth or else collar if youre going in with 2 or more defiances

[turbid needle]

defiance?

[worn solar]

death defiance

[turbid needle]

i have 3 defiance

and skelly

that should be good right>

?

[worn solar]

well if you have three at styx and dont expect to lose them at styx then collar will be 125 health in total

and also itll increase the amount you heal at the fountain

[turbid needle]

ive gotten to the boss so many times with the spear but ive never beat him with it

[worn solar]

well if its achilles you can always do a cast build

[turbid needle]

yes im trying to do a hunting blades build but artemis wont listen

what do i do till the shards dislodge?

if im doing a zeus build then

[worn solar]

shards?

[turbid needle]

crystals

the thing tha you shoot

[cunning urchin]

Bloodstones.

[worn solar]

oh bloodstones

[turbid needle]

yes yes'

thank you kind man

[worn solar]

well you either run around or attack

[turbid needle]

ok wish me luck

im walking in

[worn solar]

easiest would be meme beams though with stygian soul

[turbid needle]

AY YO I DIDNT

I KILLED HIM

NO WAY

LIKE

HE JUST DIED

HE COULDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING

LMAOOOOOOOO

XD

ok this build is broken

time to go to mom

[turbid needle]

guan yu build? i suck with spear and guan yu seems the best for me

[fading nymph]

Charged skewer and a good % boon on the special

Only use your spin in between waves because the windup sucks but you can cancel the endlag with a dash

If you haven't already and can maxing it out really helps because its one of the aspects that benefits most from levels

[turbid needle]

achilles

[proven osprey]

@turbid needle Shape your build around the first hammer you see. Quick/massive spin/charged skewer are the good ones, the latter being the best.
Anything works on special as long as it's no Zeus or Dionysus.
Any attack will do it except for tempest strike (anti synergy with the spin and low damage).
Strong attacks : Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Demeter, Artemis.

As said before avoid spinning too much when you don't have quick spin, you might get caught.

Special double dash strike is your DPS rotation. Most important thing is to really pay attention while committing with a dash strike since your health total is kinda low.

The aspect will make you better at the game for that reason. It's not easy, so try and try again. Oh, and avoid the standing attack (the first one is ok, the others...)

I would also recommend going for the double input dash+attack for your dash strikes. However in some cases you want to do them separately to benefit from the iframes

If you need more specific things, ping me

[turbid needle]

reccomend build that requires me to spam 1 button

and i kill

everything

lmao

[proven osprey]

Deadly flourish hunter's mark charged skewer

[turbid needle]

what button i press?

[proven osprey]

Special

You line up enemies and tear them to shreds with millions of crits

[turbid needle]

what aspect?

[proven osprey]

Damn I was still on Guan Yu lmao

[turbid needle]

achilles?

or guan yu?

astaos where are you

@proven osprey

[proven osprey]

One button shred everything is a bit complicated

If you want to kill everything without much efforts you have Eris. Lightning strike jolted tidal dash deadly flourish. Breaking wave as a t2 boon, Zeus or dad call.

[turbid needle]

i have bad aim

eris is hard for me

[proven osprey]

Kbm?

[turbid needle]

?

kbm?

nani is kbm?

d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!!!!!!

[fading nymph]

the expert has arrived I see

[proven osprey]

Keyboard and mouse

Aiming should not be a problem though. You special and kill everything at melee range

[turbid needle]

achilles legendary keepsake is antos right?

is he good?

[fading nymph]

meg is best

[proven osprey]

Yeah Antos is good

[turbid needle]

isnt thanatos better

moredamage

[fading nymph]

but antos is cozy for furies if your running a build that takes a bit to come together

than takes to long

[proven osprey]

Thanatos is more damage but much more difficult to use

Not speedrun ready

[turbid needle]

i need to try out blitz with lightning strike

[proven osprey]

But for high heat it's ok

[turbid needle]

it looks so op

[turbid needle]

you mean lightning flourish?

[fading panther]

Swap Deadly Flourish with Heartbreak and get access to Smoldering Air as well

Global damage buff is so good lol

[bronze marten]

Yeah with Eris I typically start Zeus and take either arty or aphro depending on who shows up first. Athena is also pretty fun if you get rocket bombs, though it’s kind of a meme

[timid shuttle]

Hmmm. Just finished the first boss fight with achilles spear. My first hammer is the triple strike on dash with less dash range, my attack boon is artemis and I got her dash upgrade, too.

It is pretty effective, but being without a long invulnerability window involves suffering.

[cloud vault]

Serrated Point is a lot of damage and a lot of oh shi-

[timid shuttle]

Only trouble was that I still got bodied at Hades minus EM4.

The invulnerability window is practically more important than three strikes replacing one.

What do you guys personally think is the best boon on the spear?

[proper furnace]

flurry jab

[timid shuttle]

Alright. Which god boons do you think are best on the spear?

[vivid crow]

With flurry typically Zeus attack

[proper furnace]

zeus attack/artemis attack

also depends on the build

[lucid oar]

You need jolted if you get Zeus attack

Otherwise it's meh

Or splitting bolt

[proper furnace]

also ME is always an option

[timid shuttle]

ME?

[proven osprey]

Merciful end

[timid shuttle]

Which god, what type of boon and what did it do?

[timid shuttle]

funny, I started out with an epic zeus on atk and then my second hammer way later offered up flurry jab.

[lucid oar]

Ares/Athena duo, it makes it so that every time you deflect an enemy that is inflicted with doom, the doom instantly activates

So instead of doom activating every 1.1s, it activates every time you dash strike

[timid shuttle]

noice

and it doesn't go away on activation?

[lucid oar]

It does but you can just attack them again

An instantly set it off again

[timid shuttle]

oh

it does seem to rely very much on chaining dash-strikes

+30% atk speed, flurry jab, epic zeus atk boon and jolted are a hell of a drug.

Only thing I want rn is the zeus legendary.

double zap is great

got extending jab, too

[polar python]

Question: How does Dire Misfortune work on Lucifer Rail? How can I apply multiple stacks of Doom if it normally applies one at a time during the laser?

Or does it start to let them stack?

[proper furnace]

each tick of damage from the laser is an extra stack iirc

[polar python]

I have the Aphro Duo and +10 seconds of weak, so if that's right, that'll be amazing

Multiple stacks of Doom all ticking for 15 seconds

[proper furnace]

curse of longing doesnt apply if you re apply your doom

[polar python]

Oh, annoying.

[proper furnace]

is a fun duo if doom is not your main source of damage, free damage as long you keep weak

[polar python]

Right. My special does weak.

So most foes are weak most of the time

Well see how Theseus likes it.

[turbid needle]

on guan yu is massive spin or quick spin better

[proven osprey]

Alone, quick spin

allows you to spin where it would not have been possible otherwise

[polar python]

Yeah, the delay of spin is the biggest weakness of GY

Both is great though

[proven osprey]

It's also a lot of dps because quick spin deletes the first charge

first level

[proper furnace]

quick spin makes it a fun move to use

[timid shuttle]

is a pretty good move, but guan yu really requires you to avoid hits

[turbid needle]

which is ofc what i suck at

[timid shuttle]

and I always end up being a little sloppy, right up till hades keeps slapping my bar down

[polar python]

Which is easier if you're more mobile.

[timid shuttle]

funny thing is, I can dodge most everything and do well, but after returning, I struggle the most with avoiding hits from hades

[polar python]

Hades is tough with GY.

[timid shuttle]

GY?

Oh

Right

Guan yu

[brisk drift]

im in styx rn with gy

its my first run with it

its alright so far

but the low max hp is very hard

[turbid needle]

like second run with gy and im at theseus rn

[brisk drift]

right

im at hades now

[proper furnace]

guan yu at level 1 is rough

[brisk drift]

yep

that's exactly what i have oof

[proper furnace]

ouchhh

[brisk drift]

what do the upgrades do for gy?

[proper furnace]

less hp reduced

[brisk drift]

is it how much hp it restores

oh yea

[proper furnace]

at max lvl is a 50% hp reduction

[brisk drift]

that's still quite alot tbh

not as bad tho

[timid shuttle]

yeh, but at least you can get to 150-200 effective hp with a bit of work

[proper furnace]

life affirmation is mvp for gy runs

[brisk drift]

im at hades with 89 hp rip

89 max hp

[proper furnace]

(life affirmation is great in general tbf)

[brisk drift]

oh wait no 81

oh is that the afro boon that makes centaur hearts give you more

[proper furnace]

yup

[brisk drift]

sorry im kinda new to hades

i meant aphro whoops

[proper furnace]

also increases the max hp that darkness gives if you have that upgrade

like 2 extra hp but still

[brisk drift]

yea i quite like the dark regeneration

[proper furnace]

i dont mean the mirror skill, the contractor has an upgrade that makes darkness gives +5 max hp

[brisk drift]

oh yea

that one

yea i don't have that

yet

hopefully i can get it soon tho

if i can win this it'll be my 7th successful attempt

[turbid needle]

i got athena call right before hades thank god

103 hp and one dd

[brisk drift]

aaaaa

i got to second phase but i have no more death defiances

i have officially lost

yep i died almost straight away

[turbid needle]

the laser barely clipped over the rock and killed me

[brisk drift]

ouch

i swear

it took me ages to beat hades the first time

but now i can beat him pretty easily

[turbid needle]

zeus fists time

i need blood

[brisk drift]

zeus fists good

[robust rose]

omg i genuinely used the shield with the ares doom for my first win and i just found out it was a braindead strat

haha doom shield

i’ve heard good things about twin fists with uh merciful end

[brisk drift]

zeus and ares revenge duo boon thing is good

i forgot what its called

[solar dawn]

vengeful mood

ye it is pretty good, especially if you spec into it

[brisk drift]

that one

yep

does it work with athena revenge?

[proper furnace]

should work

[cunning urchin]

Works with all revenge boons.

[brisk drift]

i was just wondering because athena revenge is a bit different to the others

actually no it isn't

im being stupid

also

is it bad that i prefer playing hades on a keyboard and mouse?

[long escarp]

No it’s definitely not “bad”

[brisk drift]

its just cos i see alot of players with a controller

[solar dawn]

nah, I do mnk and do just fine, its whatever you prefer

[lucid oar]

Lili played kbm and was the old world record holder for anyheat

[cunning urchin]

It's a bit different in that it's the only boon that gives i-frames that's not a Call.

Even if there was a difference, learning to play on pad when you're more comfortable and experienced on KBM and vice versa would probably negate that anyway.

[cunning urchin]

You're out of character.

[long escarp]

I’ve never crapped on KBM

[cunning urchin]

You're supposed to be saying either "bad" or "optimal".

[long escarp]

I see no issue with it

Neither is optimal

/both are idk

Same difference

[cunning urchin]

Can you prove it?

[long escarp]

No

[cunning urchin]

So... why should we believe you?

[long escarp]

There’s no objective correct answer

Burden of proof is not on me to prove that there’s no objective right answer

It falls on anyone who thinks there is

[cunning urchin]

That ain't how that works.

[sterile fiber]

how long is the Holy Shield duration

[cunning urchin]

I-frames are like maybe 0.2 seconds or something? Very short. Deflect is quite a bit longer than that. Don't know specifics, though.

[long escarp]

Prove it

[cunning urchin]

The i-frames are probably shorter even than that.

[proven osprey]

[long escarp]

What I’m saying is there’s no evidence to support there being a correct platform to play on

I can’t prove that there’s no correct platform

It’s not possible

[worn solar]

controller better cuz i say so. ez

[gusty rapids]

exactly

controller better because i said so.

[proven osprey]

Pog frog saying this is actually hilarious

[terse thistle]

Hestia got me through with little boons and 4 heat my second fav gun now

[cunning urchin]

It's the most popular aspect for boonless runs, too, because of that.

[proven osprey]

Yeah it works with nothing basically

Shackle, gg

[worn solar]

when your fastest rail run is also your 40 heat boonless hestia run

[candid belfry]

how do you avoid boons

besides getting lucky that you dont get offered more than 4

[scenic quiver]

whats a good lucifer build? I just unlocked it and looks very cool. Do you build like zeus and dionysus?

[bronze marten]

Both of them are solid choices on the attack for sure. Start Zeus attack and just see where it goes - it’s special plays differently and is worth messing around with. Also flash fire and triple bomb become amazing on luck

Luci

[scenic quiver]

thank you!

@bronze marten also should i max it or leave it at one? I left Hera at one since it can do just as well as 5. Not sure if i should invest lol

[bronze marten]

Try at 1, if you like it invest

It’s weird

[sterile fiber]

Cursed BP combination of the run: DC2 Flamewheels with speed and the aura that slows you....with one dash

[split radish]

Lucifer aspect Poseidon "Power Washing" builds are actually good

[long escarp]

You mean Super Soaker?

[turbid needle]

only with seastorm otherwise pos atk is weak

[zinc idol]

Me thinking im starting a run off good with Phalanx and Doom shots on the rail
gets Rocket/Cluster bomb + Artemis & Hermes Epic Flourish

ive never slammed a boss harder into the ground until now

[turbid needle]

I KEEP DYING TO THE FINAL BOSS

THIS MY 50TH RUN

AND I BEAT HIM ONLY 5 TIMES

EVERY TIME

HE CHUNKS ME

WITH THOSE SKULLS

AND HE HAS SEEMINGLY INF INFINITE HEALTH

BRO THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE

[proven osprey]

Good enough

When your build does not follow you must be a bit careful and learn the boss

You can read the skull throw. Even if you're hit, just dash away during the debuff duration

[polar python]

Is Dionysus a good boon for Hades spear? Does the damage boost start applying to the hangover damage applied by the spin?

[cunning urchin]

No, the bonus damage only applies to the base damage of your Attack and Special.

It doesn't affect status effects like Hangover.

Nor Chain Lightning etc.

[polar python]

Shame

So Aphrodite or Athena would be best I guess.

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Strike is alright if you get Serrated Point.

Curse of Agony is always good.

Heartbreak Strike and Deadly Strike are both great for damage.

[polar python]

I'll probably go Aphro since there are a bunch of nice extra boons to add

[static salmon]

do you think shield with aspect of chaos + charged shot + full knockback build to be one of the most broken builds in hades?

[polar python]

If it's clearing 40 heat easily I'd say it's broken. There are a lot of good builds, for lower heat stuff.

[lucid oar]

Charged shot is a very good hammer though

[polar python]

Yes

[cloud vault]

I would show you Baj doing 64 heat but your computer would melt

[polar python]

And your brain

[turbid needle]

show me

now

do it

maybe ill learn something

[sterile fiber]

here https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mf4y1p7t2?from=search&seid=10397843095303688194

[subtle star]

I’ve tried the Legend of Persephone challenge twice so far…first time I got wiped all over the floor with everyone in Tartarus…man, no dashing is hard…then in the second, I got the Dash Nova (which IMHO is viable given Link’s dash attack in most installments like “A Link to the Past,”) and I got all the way to EM4 Super Dad but died in the final phase cause I have been speedrunning and able to unga bunga him during those times…here is hoping for 3rd times a charm, as I will play much more carefully!

[cunning urchin]

Yes, taking Dash Nova is perfectly fine.

Good luck!

[cloud vault]

The best thing you can learn is how much there is to learn

[brisk drift]

just unlocked aspect of lucifer

is it any good?

[ionic crown]

yea

[brisk drift]

it seems good against skelly

but i haven't tried a run yet

[topaz compass]

what would you guys say is the most beginner friendly hidden aspect?

what would you guys say is the most beginner friendly hidden aspect?

[static salmon]

probably malphon's aspect of demeter. it's the true definition of unga bunga, just spam special and attack

probably arthur or rama

[ionic crown]

Chiron has a simple concept

But it takes time for it to be yknow

good

[worn solar]

those aint hidden though

[proper furnace]

chiron is not a hidden aspect

[worn solar]

beowulf is the easiest ig

you just load casts and bull rush things and they die and its a shield

[ionic crown]

mfw

Misread question

Beowulf is not beginner friendly smh

most beginner friendly is arthur probably because big regular damage and slowdown with hallowed ground

[turbid needle]

he is absolutuly melting everything

[turbid needle]

does anyone know what combo he is doing

[worn solar]

well hes just throwing out zeus shield and leaving it on enemies except hes really good managing his shield

[turbid needle]

i took note

s

the main take away is

for single target damage

[lucid oar]

Epic rush delivery, jolted and killing freeze

[turbid needle]

throw shield

bull rush

repeat

for single target damage

its so good

[lucid oar]

That's mostly for safety

[turbid needle]

op as hek

this guys god

[lucid oar]

Remember that he has a cracked build

[static salmon]

yeah I think beowulf is not beginner friendly

honestly too slow plus bull rush requires you to be mindful of floor traps

[lucid oar]

Rama special spam is probably the most beginner friendly

[static salmon]

yep

special rama with zeus boon

[worn solar]

just use eris rail smh

[lucid oar]

Rama (the way it's supposed to be played) is probably the least beginner friendly

[static salmon]

or ares doom stack

[turbid needle]

i main chaos with ares special

and chiron with deadly flourish

[static salmon]

I think guan yu is the least beginner friendly

the hp cut is too punishing

I just realized how all hidden aspect has the problem of being slower than their original ver

[lucid oar]

Apart from lucifer

[static salmon]

lucifer has charge time

[lucid oar]

I guess the startup takes longer

[worn solar]

yep

[lucid oar]

But it attacks faster and the specials take less time to load

[static salmon]

normal rail blasts instantly

[lucid oar]

It is slower and more unsafe than Eris though, which is not true of the other hidden aspects VS their meta aspects

[static salmon]

that charge time is too risky, especially on pact of punishment buff where enemies are faster

when I use lucifer I almost never use the normal attack

I just spam specials

probably my fav aspect right now is chaos on shield

with bull rush projectile

[lucid oar]

My favourite is definitely beowulf

[static salmon]

I never get used to beowulf

[lucid oar]

You need to dash strike before bull rushing

[worn solar]

smh beo shield. it blocks in a huge angle

[lucid oar]

Beowulf does sooooooo much damage

Lmao

[static salmon]

the bull rush charge takes ages

[worn solar]

murder everything = no take damage

ez

[lucid oar]

You have a block, you can do the bull rush point blank

[leaden bridge]

Any build recommendations for 0heat guan yu?

Still have to do the prophecy

[static salmon]

just get daedalus hammer with the 3 hit dash strike

plus hermes greatest reflex

unga bunga everything

[lucid oar]

Charged skewer is safer

[worn solar]

safer to just special everything

[static salmon]

guan yu special is slower than other spear aspects

[ionic crown]

it’s better

[static salmon]

ngl, spear is my least liked weapon

[leaden bridge]

I'm not only talking about hammers tho

[ionic crown]

The special is the best out of all the aspects

[static salmon]

yeah but that is core

[worn solar]

serrated point dash strike is slower than regular ones and uses your dashes

[static salmon]

if you're beginner

[lucid oar]

Charged skewer removes the startup

[static salmon]

other boons are just additives

[leaden bridge]

I did 16 heat im a big boi

[ionic crown]

i mean charged skewer is basically enough

put whatever on the special

Big numbers

[proper furnace]

you can also ignore the aspect and just build for smoldering air

[worn solar]

well like either go aphro special start and hope rnjesus gives you charged skewer while grabing zeus call and smouldering air

[static salmon]

ok well, how do you want playstyle with guan yu?

[leaden bridge]

What's that

[ionic crown]

duo boon

[static salmon]

charge attack or dash strike?

[proper furnace]

aphro/zeus duo boon

[leaden bridge]

Dashstrikes?