h1-builds-and-combat

[long escarp]

But that ceiling is definitely lower than merciful end

[restive tiger]

Yeah

[long escarp]

Well it’s on the spear so it’s not fists

[restive tiger]

Yeah but I want to do some spear

I.m’intrigued by charged shor zeus

Do ypu have some lonk for the build ?I played a lot but that was 6 month ago

[long escarp]

Here’s my 40 heat run

#h1-victory-boasting message

Zeus is amazing even without charged shot

But charged shot makes it super easy

[restive tiger]

Oh it’s a shield run

[bronze marten]

charged shot on zeus is pretty based

i want to like it on beowulf

[restive tiger]

Ok so it basically shoot laser ? I’m not a shield player 😄

[long escarp]

It’s not a laser

It’s a projectile

[restive tiger]

So you can stay away instead of rushing in

[long escarp]

Yeah

It’s easier to get used to, and does more damage

A lot more damage

[restive tiger]

Oh. Tooltip says 80

[long escarp]

Imo it’s a top 5 hammer in the game, and the best shield hammer

[long escarp]

Yep

It’s crazy good

[restive tiger]

Can’t see why but I believed you.

[cunning urchin]

A bit more damage, and quite a bit faster. Thunder Flourish was just ridiculous on it, especially if you also had Swift Flourish and/or Relentless Volley. horheristo did 48 Heat on it the same day it was released in the Blood Price beta, which matched Wriste13's WR at the time.

[long escarp]

Lmao damn

[cunning urchin]

His YouTube account has been terminated, so the video is gone, unfortunately.

[long escarp]

[terse thistle]

Writing all that down… I love Zeus shield

[terse thistle]

I got a taste of cluster bomb + rocket….. I melted Theseus and asterius

[long escarp]

Clocket moment

[ionic crown]

seems that bow has darker thirdt

Chat decide what the build will be

[strange lark]

No

[ionic crown]

sad

[solar dawn]

Rama, Zeus attack, Athena special, Arti cast, lightning rod

[ionic crown]

agony

sure why not

[long escarp]

Zeus Attack Rama

[strange lark]

Kinda poggers

[long escarp]

Not exactly

[strange lark]

Ok it's kinda based

[long escarp]

Not really though

[strange lark]

Ok it's kinda epic

[ionic crown]

Zeus attack and jolted secured on rama

[long escarp]

Alright at least you’re doing damage

[ionic crown]

and the hammer was twin shot

poggers more dmg

[long escarp]

Ooh twin shot Rama

Huge fan

[ionic crown]

Alright athena special and arti cast

Oops

I messed up the build

I swear I took athena’s keepsake but I took poseidons

[cunning urchin]

No no, you're not messing up builds. You're experimenting to find new strategies, that's what it is.

[polar python]

When you have twin or triple on Hera, does the cast effect only happen for one of the shots?

I've never really used Hera

Or at least not with triple shot

[proper furnace]

casts are thrown from the middle arrow

[polar python]

So only one shot has the effect?

[cunning urchin]

Only the center shot delivers your Casts for Triple Shot, and for Twin it's just like.. both. But you don't get double Casts or anything.

[ionic crown]

Anyways charon fight time lmao

[polar python]

Ta

[cunning urchin]

It's like you strapped your Cast to your arrow, but having more arrows doesn't mean you get more Casts all of a sudden.

[polar python]

Are you sure twin delivers the effect on both?

[cunning urchin]

Your Casts aren't affected by Twin Shot.

[polar python]

So only one effect on Hera

That's sort of whatI expected.

[cunning urchin]

I said "both" because it's like.. you can't say it's the left arrow or the right arrow, your Casts just drop somewhere in the middle.

[polar python]

Right, but only one dose of Hangover for example

[long escarp]

No?

[cunning urchin]

Do you mean Trippy Shot?

[polar python]

Oh hang on it would be trippy shot

[long escarp]

Trippy shot doesn’t give hangover

[polar python]

Yeah yeah I'm being daft

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, just one Trippy Shot. You're loading one Cast, so you get one Trippy Shot.

[polar python]

Cool

[solar dawn]

There's no messing up, I was just trying to get some of the worst combos I could think of on the fly, really surprised you did it lmao

[cunning urchin]

If you play on pad, the top Hera players usually rebind their Cast button to a shoulder button. That way you can freely load your Casts while dashing or charging your Attack etc.

[ionic crown]

I died to charon. Prolly shouldn’t have tried this build as my very first run back kek

Back to chiron it is

[solar dawn]

Lmao fair, but hey you tried absolute trash build and did pretty nice

[cunning urchin]

You could try the Summertime Challenge if you want.

[solar dawn]

I was gonna say aphro special first then I realized wait that gives you smoldering air and that's actually good, gotta change that

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Rod is good, too. And your suggested build had that.

[solar dawn]

There's much better duos

[cunning urchin]

Probably fewer than you'd think, though.

Lightning Rod fits in almost every build and adds really good damage for no effort.

[ionic crown]

Relentless volley on an artie special build

Yes please

[long escarp]

Twin Shot Perfect Shot

[cunning urchin]

Repulse Sniper Shot.

[long escarp]

What’s the optimal build for Exploding Launcher Zag spear (AP1)

[lucid oar]

Explosive shot perfect shot

[cunning urchin]

[lucid oar]

Charged skewer and a bunch of Aphrodite

[long escarp]

Is it actually?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[long escarp]

I’ve been considering Poseidon Sea Storm and Artemis

[lucid oar]

Either will work

[long escarp]

But you said Aphrodite

[cunning urchin]

It's the same build as Guan Yu.

Which I guess means ME is an option.

[lucid oar]

Yeah

And Athena is safe

[cunning urchin]

But ME is an option on everything.

[lucid oar]

The Zagreus aspect of Coronacht, the heart seeking bow?

[cunning urchin]

What about it?

Merciful End on Zag Bow?

[lucid oar]

I'll try it

Eventually

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, just get Flurry Shot.

[polar python]

Yeah I guessed that might be the answer, but I've mostly got very used to the default setup so I'll have to put a bit of practice in. Is there a ps4 controller setup people here collectively recommend?

[long escarp]

Putting cast on a shoulder button is a good idea

[worn solar]

dash too

[long escarp]

Why dash?

[cunning urchin]

I just put Cast on L1 for Hera and Beowulf, and reload on L1 when I play Exagryph.

Reload and loading Casts is similar enough, and very different from actually throwing your Cast.

And you load your Casts so often with Hera and Beowulf that you'll get used to it in no time.

[long escarp]

Putting reload on a should button is definitely something everyone should do

[worn solar]

not really hera specific but dash on a shoulder button makes dash striking easier imo

[cunning urchin]

You have your thumb on Dash and Attack anyway.

[long escarp]

Yeah exactly

[worn solar]

ig. feels kinda weird holding attack while spamming dash on rail though

[long escarp]

I don’t have an issue with it

[cunning urchin]

Do what works best for you, though.

[long escarp]

Yeah for sure, there’s no downside to remapping dash

I just don’t think I need it

[cunning urchin]

I think Ananke also has dash on a shoulder button.

So you're in good company.

[fallen mirage]

Luckily with rail you can just spam attack and dash, as long as you're not playing lucifer. I have a paddle button bound to attack which helps a ton with rail and fist

[proper furnace]

how does jolted works against the butterfly balls? like each butterfly they summon counts as an attack or other thing?

[polar python]

Question: if you have your only Zeus boon on attack and you get jolted, and then you have to purge the attack boon, will the game prioritize giving you Zeus in order to refill this?

Eg. Common Zeus attack epic jolted

Purge attack and hope for epic replacement rather than losing jolted

[lucid oar]

It will not prioritise zeus

[polar python]

Ah okay

[lucid oar]

What's the other thing that you can purge

[polar python]

This is mostly hypothetical

Though I did do it once and got the epic attack

[lucid oar]

In that case id probably sell jolted, but it would be a sad purge

[jovial fulcrum]

Selling jolted

[long escarp]

I had to sell smoldering air once

[jovial fulcrum]

I'm super greedy so I'd usually rather sell my call than SA, and pray to get another decent call

[long escarp]

I think I had rip current though

But no rolls

SAir, my attack boon, or Poseidon call. Had to sell SAir

[granite lava]

@runic plinth if you're not sure how to play beo watch this
https://youtu.be/kYZx2t_B_S0

[runic plinth]

Thank you

[raw blade]

this duo boon rng

[sterile fiber]

TIL you can still give up halfway through the dying animation if you want to keep a good seed

[humble trail]

I just try deadly reversal on nemesis + big chop hammer....dunno why I never try that it's fantastic

[frigid crown]

if i have hera bow + trippy flare, should i get +cast damage or +1 bloodstone as my chaos boon?

[cunning urchin]

Are you using Stygian Soul?

+1 bloodstone for sure.

[frigid crown]

i use infernal

okie took the bloodstone thanks

[humble trail]

Or you could get damage and try compensate with faster blood drop from hermes / Artemis legendary

[cunning urchin]

Probably still the right pick then. You'd want Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare on Hera, anyway.

[frigid crown]

hmm okay

i just rarely use cast-based aspects anyways so didn't figure stygian would be better

[long escarp]

Infernal is better for everything but Crystal beam and trippy shot imo

[cunning urchin]

It's better specifically or Trippy Flare here.

[cunning urchin]

Quick Reload doesn't affect Trippy Flare. You actually can't get it if you have Trippy Flare.

[humble trail]

Didn't know that. Could try fishing for greater recall but that's hard I only ever get it twice

[long escarp]

That also doesn’t change anything?

It just makes the bloodstones come back to you afterward

[humble trail]

Yeah I guess lol. It'll only help if you had like 5 bloodstone. Since you don't have to get em.

[long escarp]

It’s not that it’s not good, it just doesn’t fix that problem

[stray quest]

Does anyone know a good build for the eris railgun?

[long escarp]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Static Discharge, and any decent Special boon.

And pom your Dash first, Static Discharge second.

As in, when you have the choice, pom Dash.

[bronze echo]

Rama with posiden special and any Zeus and get sea storm was fun..takes a lot of boons to get going but I cleared mid heat with it pretty easily and Styx was great slamming all those rats into walls haha

[long escarp]

Out of curiosity, what do you consider “mid heat”?

[terse thistle]

20 heat? 15 even?

[long escarp]

Mid heat for me is probably between 26 and 36

Maybe 26 and 40

[mild raft]

The real seastorm Rama is Pos attack

[sterile fiber]

so sometimes when Hades charges up the laser spin it kinda fails and doesn't activate, and he just stands there with a shield up, what's the deal with that

[solar dawn]

If you get him to half health during the wind up for it he'll be shielding for the duration of lasers as if he did it

Bosses don't phase until they finish their currently active move

[sterile fiber]

ah

[solar dawn]

Kinda funky looking though lmao

[proven osprey]

he really wants to end his majorette thing

[opaque hare]

im currently above 20 heat with each weapon and i decided to go straight to 32 with the fist and i cant get it

fists are the hardest weapon for me that's why i want it

but nothing seems to work

[vital estuary]

I posted this in discussion, but no one replies so i figure ill ask here

JB3476 — Today at 3:10 PM
So i stopped playing for a while and restarted recently and i noticed something with the chaos shield special...do the bonus shield not get the special boons effect anymore and just the main shield?

[cunning urchin]

They all get affected by your Special boon.

[vital estuary]

fist are def my hardest to use, mostly cause i like to do ranged attacks

[cunning urchin]

32 Heat questions are better suited for #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[opaque hare]

i see, i asked here cuz i seen people said that they consider 40 heat or above to be high heat

[vital estuary]

do they? cause the extra bonus shields dont seem to change their appearance compared to the main shield, i was using athena's special when i noticed that only the main shield had like that circular glow around it and the ohers didnt, if it's just appearance sake i dont mind but i wanted another opinion

[long escarp]

They do.

I’m 100% sure

[lucid oar]

"high heat" discussion "officially" starts at 32, but you can ask general heat questions as well and get answers

[gusty rapids]

ye whats considered 'high' heat depends on who u ask but generally speaking 32 and above fits in the high heat channel imo

[long escarp]

Exactly. 32 heat is where that channel starts at, but personally I don’t think anything under 36-40 is really high heat. Still, the channel starts at 32

[terse thistle]

Why 32?

[lucid oar]

Last in-game reward

[terse thistle]

Oooohhhhh ty

[torpid bridge]

Is Artemis the build to go with when you have Arthur?

[viral verge]

yes

the crits are crazy

[torpid bridge]

Cool

I’ve heard of a 3.2k crit with Arthur, and I just wanted to make sure

[proper furnace]

aphro also works

[viral verge]

yeah i usually do either

[proper furnace]

also with a slow weapon as arthur most of the time you do "poor" damage with a 15% of great damage

[viral verge]

arthur does pretty good damage on its own id say

its just really slow

less dps ig

[proper furnace]

im also biased that aphro unlocks smoldering air with zeus which is just amazing

[viral verge]

oh my god yes

love smoldering air

very pog boon

[turbid needle]

ive also seen like 4.5k

[worn solar]

gl actually getting the crits

[viral verge]

lol

[strange lark]

Gl getting the crits specifically on the third swing

[worn solar]

https://imgur.com/a/iDzIQoS

in middle of gilga dash run

got to styx and game wont give me the zeus/ares duo

[viral verge]

sheesh

never done a dash build

[bronze marten]

I think I like ice wine now

Not that it’s particularly good, but snap my fingers and explosion somewhere else feels pretty cool

[terse thistle]

I once finished off Theseus and asterius both with backstab Crits that was over 1k damage. Arthur is pretty lit

[terse thistle]

My fav is the tidal dash. And I heard that combined with Zeus gets real nasty powerful

[wanton garnet]

What's the easiest shield to play while also dealing decent DPS?

[worn solar]

hidden ig

[fallen mirage]

Yeah, ||Beowulf|| is a ton of damage if you run Infernal Soul + Flood Flare, Arty Attack, Mirage Shot or Stygian Soul + Trippy(?) Flare, Zeus Call, Scintillating Feast. Just dash-strike, hold attack, release and immediately spam cast button

[wanton garnet]

If you're using Achilles and the hammer that gives triple dash-strikes, does the Achilles raging rush damage boost count the 3 dash strikes count as 1 attack or is it 3 separate attacks?

[plucky harbor]

https://streamable.com/oab9nn

didn't know what to do

so I just ran zeus

[vague sapphire]

That's the rifle right?

[long escarp]

Lmao what in the world

That’s crazy

I might try that

[long escarp]

Don’t quote me on this but I’m 90% sure a dash strike only counts as one attack even if it hits 3 times

[long escarp]

If you get charged shot on Zag shield, that’s pretty easy to play and is extremely strong

[lucid oar]

4th aspect of the shield

[vague sapphire]

Think I got the chaos eye on the shield

[long escarp]

Shield is generally the hardest weapon to play imo. But I also think it’s the best

But Charged Shot Zag shield isn’t too hard to use

Just do dash strikes into bull rushes

[cunning urchin]

That's correct.

Don’t quote me on this but I’m 90% sure a dash strike only counts as one attack even if it hits 3 times.—UnholyPancake, 2021

[turbid needle]

Hello everyone, I want to try some Hestia runs but I'm not sure what are some viable builds for this weapon, because I have never really played with it. Can you guys recommend me some ?

[cunning urchin]

M not a guy, but Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air is great. And then you also try to get as many Lunge and Strike boons from Master Chaos as you can.

Make sure you use Fiery Presence from the mirror.

[long escarp]

Yeah really just start with heartbreak strike and build from there

Good hammers are Ricochet Fire, Rocket Bomb, Hazard Bomb, Cluster Bomb, Piercing Fire

[cunning urchin]

If you can get Deadly Flourish and then Heart Rend, that's also amazing. Since you can use your Special at the same time you press reload, you can use your Special a lot.

[long escarp]

In my experience Explosive Fire is pretty decent if you can’t get ricochet or piercing

But honestly Hazard Bomb is the best hammer you could get for sure

[turbid needle]

K... Thanks for all advice 🙂 I'm going to try this now.

[cunning urchin]

The best Hestia players that play on a pad rebind their reload button to most commonly L1/LB or L2/LT. That makes it a lot easier to reload while doing other things.

[long escarp]

Use your attack like a sniper. Just reload, special, shoot, reload, special, shoot, etc

Yes reload on a shoulder button is a very good idea for every rail, but especially Hestia

[cunning urchin]

Err.. that rotation doesn't work.

[long escarp]

Reload, dash, special, shoot?

Honestly I beat 45 heat with Hestia but I still don’t really understand how to play it. I just spammed special and empowered shot like a caveman and it worked

[cunning urchin]

Optimal rotation is reload + special > attack (usually dash-attack) > reload > attack > repeat.

[long escarp]

I probably reloaded 5+ times without attacking many times in my run

[cunning urchin]

You can only use your Special every other Reload because of the cooldown.

[long escarp]

Gotcha

[sterile fiber]

Does Hestia dash attack do more damage?

[lucid oar]

No

[sterile fiber]

So why dash attack then

[lucid oar]

So you can also do damage with your dash/with rush delivery

[valid prism]

Artemis dash can also be useful to Hestia if you dash strike

[sterile fiber]

ah

[mortal gorge]

Doesn't Zeus legendary require storm lightning?

[cunning urchin]

Storm Lightning, High Voltage, or Double Strike.

[mortal gorge]

I got it without storm lightning

Just with double strike and the boon for the special

What combos good with his legendary? Got it in room 11 already

[long escarp]

Yes, double strike is a prerequisite

[bronze marten]

One of those three is all you need. If u have a Tartarus Zeus legendary you probably win lol

But can get his call too

[strange lark]

More zeus

[mortal gorge]

Aha, I thought you needed storm lightning and one of the other two

[timid shuttle]

Do you guys grab the trinket for a god, if you want that god's legendary?

[bronze marten]

In general those are used to start the run and sometimes to fish for duos/legendaries in asphodel but once a god is in your god pool it’s all about RNG

[polar python]

Just got enough blood to unlock the rest of Arthur. Any suggestion for a chonky build?

I was thinking of trying a shackle run and aiming to avoid taking an attack boon, but I don't know what counts as upgrading the attack.

Does shackle still work if you take a chaos boon to bump attack for example?

[lunar pulsar]

shackle looks for if you have a core boon

aka the leftmost column

other modifiers are fine

[long escarp]

Why? Why not just take Aphrodite attack? It can give you well over a 100% damage buff, and also will apply weak

That just doesn’t make any sense to me

[proven osprey]

yes

[sweet hornet]

when you get a 5th god's boon, how does the game determine which of the 4 other gods to bump from the pool? Is it possible to know which?

[lucid oar]

It doesnt

[cunning urchin]

No god is removed from the pool.

[sweet hornet]

ooo so all 5 is still possible, but chances are diluted for each

[cunning urchin]

Right because it's 1/5 now instead of 1/4.

[sweet hornet]

so the dilution is the only reason why it's not recommended to take a 4th god if you don't have one you want yet

[cunning urchin]

No. It also means you don't have to take the god's keepsake just to get them into the pool.

[sweet hornet]

I'd totally pick poseidon's keepsake in asphodel or elysium any time

artemis is another of those, if I want her for a duo

[polar python]

Just wanted to see. It worked fine (2x Chaos boons, Pressure Points, attack up from hammer). Crits for well over 1200.

[long escarp]

Sure…

But those numbers would be bigger with a boon

And you would get to use whatever keepsake you want

And you could have a status effect on your attack

[bronze marten]

Shackle in tartarus could be helpful if you're losing to furies on high heat and need an early buff

but the opportunity cost of shackle is pretty high

because if you take that aphro attack, same result

[long escarp]

Shackle is only good for AP2

[bronze marten]

its more useful at high heat when youre relying on hestia attack for example

[long escarp]

And ideally you want to grab an attack boon and then switch keepsakes

[polar python]

You assume everyone is playing the game to get the same things out of it that you are, you are mistaken.

[long escarp]

Using shackle as a substitute for boons is super unoptimal and much less fun

[bronze marten]

literally as long as you dont have a boon, itll give u a buff - chaos will still work. if you wanna do a shackle run i'd recommend Hestia

[long escarp]

huh?

[polar python]

I don't think you get to tell others what is or is not fun.

[bronze marten]

hes asking how to make shackle work, not if you think it's good or not

[long escarp]

If you want to make shackle work, just do 52 heat AP2 RI2

[bronze marten]

and that's not helpful

let the guy try things thats the literal point of how the game is designed

[long escarp]

Neither is shackle at low heat

[clever barn]

some fun builds with spear? other than cast shenanigans with achilles

[long escarp]

Guan Yu charged skewer

Zag spear exploding launcher

Achilles flurry jab

[lone jetty]

Hades Exploding Launcher or Serrated Point

[sweet hornet]

achilles spin builds can maybe work

[clever barn]

i never actually use the spin

but i'll try those

thanks

[ionic crown]

Guan Yu build?

[strange lark]

Aphro/Artemis special, charged skewer

[ionic crown]

sad

[long escarp]

It can work without Charged Skewer too, if you get serrated point. Definitely worse though

But if you start Aphrodite, you can go for Zeus and get Smoldering Air

[long escarp]

Hades exploding launcher is kinda just a worse version on Zag exploding launcher imo

I used it to beat 40 with Hades

But it didn’t feel great

[ionic crown]

My hammers are massive spin and breaching skewer

[long escarp]

Breaching is alright for damage but you the special is kinda weak without Charged. I like Massive as a secondary hammer but you ideally get a good DPS hammer, namely Charged or Serrated. But anything can work for low heat fun runs

[ionic crown]

True

[ionic crown]

I used the anvil and got charged skewer and serrated point

[proper furnace]

anvil moment

[ionic crown]

Smouldering air secured

This is a nutty stux

[lone jetty]

Why do you say that? Spin debuff is +150% damage on special

[long escarp]

Yeah but idk it feels a lot worse

[lone jetty]

Special is a little slower but that’s a lot of damage

[long escarp]

Especially because JS2 FO2 so I can’t really spin for enemies

And it feels very slow for bosses

[lone jetty]

I spin while they’re spawning or from behind obstacles. The spin hits through walls, weirdly

And you really just need a tiny spin to apply the debuff, then get to chucking the boom stick. Takes some practice to get a feel for the exact minimum amount of time you have to stand there holding attack before you can spin.

[long escarp]

Yeah I guess

Still feels safer to stay away and special, especially for bosses

Especially at 40 heat

[lone jetty]

Naw serrated shred at 40 Heat #h1-victory-boasting message

[long escarp]

I still hate Hades spear though

It’s my least favorite aspect in the game

Probably not the worst though

That would probably be Talos

Or Gil or Zag sword

[lone jetty]

My vote is zag spear but talos… awful close

[long escarp]

I did 45 with Zag spear

One of 3 aspects I did 45 with

[lone jetty]

I wouldn’t say it’s not viable

[long escarp]

I’ve heard it’s actually better for high heat than Achilles is

Since EL is quite safe

[lone jetty]

Yeah Achilles falls off some at ultra-high heat. If I’m in a spear mood tho pretty much everything neat about the zag spear is done better by the other aspects. Wanna flurry? Achilles is stronger. Want to throw explosive sticks? Hades hits harder and Guan Yu has it built in. Wanna spin? Achilles and Hades are both stronger. I just find it underwhelming.

[long escarp]

Yeah the only build I would use for Zag spear is Exploding Launcher. I just enjoy it a lot more on Zag spear than on Hades

But it might be worse on Zag

[lone jetty]

That’s cool, I’m not trying to talk you out of it. EL stomps

[long escarp]

Oh yeah I know you’re not

But like what does Zag sword do any better than Nemesis?

[lone jetty]

Unlocks rush delivery immediately?

[long escarp]

Does it?? Ooh I didn’t know that

[lone jetty]

I think so. So that’s… something

[long escarp]

But that’s definitely a lot less than the bonus of Zag spear’s special speed and damage

[lone jetty]

I mean it’s not a great aspect, no

For a while ironically Zag sword was my fastest 32-Heat clear, so i can’t be mad at it

[opaque hare]

does distant memory works for any dmg ?

like lightning strikes to distant foes?

from trippy shot

[proper furnace]

i think is global damage? so it should work

[cunning urchin]

Global damage, yes.

[opaque hare]

is heavy knucle good?

i want to deal good attack dmg with the fist but i cant get it

not just stacking boons or zeus

or even crit

[cunning urchin]

It's not bad. Makes % Attack boons more viable.

Probably not what you'd want if you're using Lightning Strike.

[lone jetty]

Extra good on Talos to take advantage of the chunky base damage

[opaque hare]

Draining Cutter works even with LC4 apparently

btw i was doing all wrong, trying too hard to get the bonus dmg from talos

[long escarp]

Yeah healing hammers still heal

Same with Cursed Slash

[vivid crow]

So whats the deal with Elysium shields and the bomb traps?

Sometimes they get hit, just curious how they block it

[worn solar]

well if theyre facing the bomb they gunna block it

[cunning urchin]

If the explosion comes from the direction they block, the damage will be blocked.

Yup.

[vivid crow]

Oh thats interesting

Thx

[wanton garnet]

What boons go well with Beowulf other than Poseidon or Dio cast?

Zeus and Poseidon duo?

[sterile fiber]

Artemis/Poseidon Duo

Aphrodite cast

[terse thistle]

Interesting wasn’t expecting aphro cast to synergy with Beowulf

[worn solar]

well it does big damage

[wanton garnet]

Wow, Poseidon cast with all the knock back boons, sea storm and mirage shot is seriously overpowered

[sterile fiber]

Mirage Poseidon is basically "get away from me", the cast

[opaque hare]

also zeus, with beo it becomes a lightning strike insead of bolts

[long escarp]

Isn’t a lightning strike a bolt

[opaque hare]

bolts bounce between enemies, lightning strikes are area dmg

[long escarp]

That’s actually just wrong though

Bolts are the AOE effects

Thunder Flare: “Your Cast causes a lightning bolt to strike nearby foes.”

What you’re thinking of is chain lightning

[worldly stream]

Any meme builds for the Rail?

[rugged geyser]

meme beam

lucifer posideon attack

[granite abyss]

meme beam
athena attack
eternal beam hammer
sit perfectly still and become invincible to frontal attacks
proceed to die anyways because Hades doesn't agree with your sense of humor

I liked that this was my first run with Lucifer. It taught horrible habits, lol.

[subtle star]

Doin a no-hitter versus the buffoon and bull is soooo satisfying

https://twitter.com/mttgbrazilteam/status/1439936711191109637?s=20

Mister Pastor Coach Ham 🐷 (@mttgbrazilteam)

The Evergreen Acorn: my best friend!

#nohitter #Hades #PS4share

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[noble parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/4zusZYC.png

very fun and op crystal build, had hangover on rama special and some amazing duos

[wanton garnet]

Which is better between God's Legacy and God's Pride?

[ionic crown]

Depends

if you’re fishing for duos/legendaries, legacy

If you want better regular boons, pride

[wanton garnet]

Are there actually any builds that don't rely on at least 1 duo boon?

[proper furnace]

eris builds dont really care about duos

[ionic crown]

Artemis

[proper furnace]

hera crush shot(tho mirage shot is neat)

[ionic crown]

don’t need duos

They’re just a neat bonus

[lunar pulsar]

if you idea of a build is a lot of stuff that synergises together then anything that uses zeus doesn't rely too much on legendaries or duos

[proper furnace]

also i think it depends, things like ME want the duo asap
on beo i run pride anyways bc duos arent that rare to consider using legacy

[lunar pulsar]

alternatively, the build can just be picking the highest damage multiplier because you are using a slow attacking weapon

duos and legendaries usually don't offer multipliers

[long escarp]

Pride is generally better but if you want multiple duos then legacy is better

Pride is really good

[long escarp]

Actually most of them

My Rama builds always like Smoldering Air but definitely don’t rely on it at all

My 45 heat Zag spear didn’t have Sea Storm although it was looking for it to be fair. But it did fine without it

My Guan Yu builds will go for Smoldering Air if it’s convenient but certainly don’t rely on it

Honestly most of my builds like Smoldering Air but don’t need it

My Hestia build for 45 heat didn’t have any duos although I think I was hoping to find Smoldering Air

Also once you get past 45 heat it’s not really consistent to get certain duos due to AP and RI

Also keep in mind that without Pride your odds of getting an epic boon from Hermès is 3% and with Pride it’s 23%. So if you want +3 dashes, you want Pride

[opaque hare]

boons that benefit the most from rarity are hermes, change my mind

[lucid oar]

Don't need to

Chaos as well in some cases, but mainly hermes

[long escarp]

For sure

[proven osprey]

God's pride generally wins because of the impact on Hermes

[sterile fiber]

everything can "rely" on Smoldering Air but most builds won't break if you don't get the duo

[long escarp]

If the build doesn’t break without it, does it really rely on it? Or just like having it?

[bronze marten]

smoldering air is super based

let me check if it the duo i have the most wins with

Wow, 148 jolted and 124 divine dash

Yep smoldering at 38 is the most used duo

[long escarp]

Wait you’ve picked jolted more than any other boon?

[bronze marten]

Yep

[long escarp]

Wow

[bronze marten]

Did a lot of Zeus haha

[lucid oar]

I'll check mine, I bet it's tidal dash

[long escarp]

Mine is definitely divine dash and then hyper sprint or greatest reflex

[lucid oar]

Nvm I'm currently in a 50 heat Zeus shield run, maybe later

[bronze marten]

Zeus attack and special together have more than jolted, but yeah lol

Jolted for days

Super based status

I also spent my first like 40 runs after my first win trying to make sea storm work on everything

[long escarp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/889587643392852018/image0.jpg

[proper furnace]

i think my most picked is tidal dash

[long escarp]

Why is swift strike so high

Why have I picked that boon so many times

[proper furnace]

tidal dash at 210 and hyper sprint at 208, huh

[long escarp]

My most picked duo is Mirage Shot

[proper furnace]

only 66 divine dash, tought it was higher

[bronze marten]

Before you learn about rush delivery it sounds real good?

[long escarp]

Does it?

It doesn’t do much on most weapons

[proper furnace]

it really shows i never liked cursed slash lmao, only picked it once

[long escarp]

Based!

[bronze marten]

Nope, but when you’re new, you think it does

[long escarp]

Cursed Slash sucks!

[bronze marten]

Yeah I have like, a 1-3 record with it lol

Never really used it

[proper furnace]

wait i only picked explosive launcher once? tought i had more runs with it

[long escarp]

I have picked Divine Protection 16 times
I have won 16 times with Divine Protection

100% winrate

Wait I’m also 14 for 15 with glacial glare?? Damn

[bronze marten]

Glacial glare super based, checks out

[long escarp]

Yeah Glacial Glare is really good

Apparently I’ve only won a single time with slicing shot without hunting blades

The only boon I’ve never won with is bad news because I only got it one time ever

[surreal creek]

hey so i havnt been playing for a looooong time. i did complete the story and started the heat thing. i think im at heat 4 or so? i got 17 titans blood and i really want a fun good build to kinda get back into it without going super try hard and push high heats. just to clear it. i dont have a weapon preference. i havnt unlocked any of the 4th aspects so anyone got a build idea? i can give more details if needed

[proper furnace]

i've never got huge catch outside of the scripted event

[bronze marten]

Same

[long escarp]

I’ve apparently got it once outside that

Which is actually kinda a lot

[bronze marten]

I got it for the first time in that enchanted Rama Stygian meme beam run

[proper furnace]

there is a lot of boons i tought i got at least 2 more times, feels weird

[bronze marten]

Hahaha you can’t tell if it was you or a YouTube video from six months ago that went with some weird meme build

[long escarp]

What’s your most picked hammers? Top for each aspect

[proper furnace]

charged shot is 1st for shield and i dont even need to check in my side lmao

[bronze marten]

flurry jab, breaching slash, twin shot, cluster bomb, long knuckle, sudden rush

[long escarp]

Sword: DEdge
Spear: Flurry Jab
Shield: Sudden Rush
Bow: Relentless Volley
Fists: Rolling Knuckle
Rail: Rocket Bomb

Not sure why Sudden Rush is above Charged Shot

I love Charged Shot

[bronze marten]

wow im 10-1 with targeting system but 18-3 with cluster bomb

12-1 with delta chamber

including first 32

poggers

[proper furnace]

charged shot
relentless volley
rocket bomb
flurry jab
breaching cross
double edge

[bronze marten]

ey, 2-0 with hera and 3-0 with zag fists lol

9-1 on massive spin

i had a hades spear phase

[proper furnace]

i've used chiron a lot, not surprising

[bronze marten]

how do you rank relentless and concentrated and piercing volleys

[long escarp]

For Chiron?

Concentrated is probably better than Relentless, but those two are both much better than peircing

But piercing is 3rd best

[proper furnace]

which one is what again? i know piercing is well, special pierces

but i always mix the other 2

[bronze marten]

Relentless is 3 more arrows, concentrated is 5 more base damage for every consecutive arrow hit

[proper furnace]

concentrated when doing artemis special, relentless for dio is what i would use probably (if both showed at the same time)

[proven osprey]

Both are really good

It's hard sometimes to get the full benefit of concentrated

And relentless can be problematic, more arrows means you're locked a bit more in the animation, hence vulnerable

[sterile fiber]

Thunder Flourish on Zeus Shield

[lucid oar]

Relentless +4, concentrated +3 per arrow

+5 base damage would be insane

[bronze marten]

Whoops

[manic zephyr]

so with Rama the best is focusing on special attacks right?

[long escarp]

No

Special once or twice to spread shared suffering, then dash strike power shot

[manic zephyr]

so i shall focus on get attack power ups intead special them right?

[long escarp]

Yes

For special, you want Demeter, Zeus, Ares, or Dionysus

For attack you want Aphrodite or Artemis

[manic zephyr]

oh ty 😄 even for high heat?

[long escarp]

For sure

I used Aphrodite attack and Ares special to best 45 heat

[worn solar]

using the special for dps kinda defeats the point of the aspect

[long escarp]

Exactly

[manic zephyr]

and for heat lvls any one i shall avoid? im still on 9 heat with bow

[lucid oar]

Heightened security, routine inspection, approval process

[long escarp]

Calisthenics program is also bad

EM4 for sure

[worn solar]

wait so i cant reroll non styx miniboss doors to poms/gold/hearts right

[long escarp]

I have no idea

I don’t use Authority

[lucid oar]

You can

[worn solar]

i like how unironically 32 heat boonless hestia is better than guan yu

[sterile fiber]

is it?

[manic zephyr]

ty for the tips guys :3

[noble parrot]

https://i.imgur.com/tCOSaYn.png

cluster rocket and curse of pain + hestia also helped a lot

didnt even bother with poms lmao

[long escarp]

Clockets

Also god’s legacy doing work

[proper furnace]

clockets with doom

[long escarp]

Oh

[noble parrot]

yessir

[noble parrot]

is that a good or a bad thing lmao

[long escarp]

It’s not optimal

[noble parrot]

its not like i really had a choice though i barely got offered any special

besides doom cause i was running vial of blood initially

[lucid oar]

Doom on special is better than no special

[long escarp]

This is true

[proper furnace]

for cluster bomb how does it interacts with battle rage? like one gets the buff or all 5?

[long escarp]

I wanna say it’s all but I’m not 100% sure

[bronze marten]

i think its the next time you push the button, so would apply to all five rockets i think

also, this is a super based idea and im gonna try it rn lol

[proper furnace]

i asked bc i got the combo lmao

[bronze marten]

hows it workin

[proper furnace]

already ended, applied to all

[bronze marten]

based

[terse thistle]

What is the main draw for hestia?

[clever barn]

big damage

[terse thistle]

Gonna need a bit more context…

[clever barn]

wdym exactly with "main draw"?

[terse thistle]

Like eris main draw is that the 75% global damage. Or nemesis ability for fast easy crits.

[clever barn]

with hestia everytime you reload your next shot deals 150 base damage

big damage

[terse thistle]

Ok that is certainly a lot of damage….

But how does the optimal build make it insane?

[clever barn]

welp pair it with artemis attack and tidal dash and you've solved most of your problems

[terse thistle]

Well that makes much more sense

I’m I’ll add that to my next weapon test list.

[proper furnace]

or use aphro for more consistent damage

[terse thistle]

I like aphro.

[proper furnace]

also opens smoldering air which is always great

[clever barn]

speedrunning with the weapon is actually pretty hard and requires a lot of button mashing

cuz you wanna cancel a lot of animations

[terse thistle]

But I’m already button mashing lol

[clever barn]

yeah but precise

[long escarp]

You can one-shot most enemies with empowered shot and easily snipe bosses for big damage from a safe distance

[clever barn]

like shoot+reload+cast+dash attack

repeat

[long escarp]

Cast?

[terse thistle]

Oh well I still think it’s a good thing to try and omg pancake that’s insane

[long escarp]

No you should special

[clever barn]

if you can throw it yes

oh yeah i forgot about special

[long escarp]

The best hammer is Hazard Bomb for AOE

[terse thistle]

How y’all forget the special?!

[clever barn]

attack+reload+special+cast+dash attack

[worn solar]

hestia plus artemis and chaos lunge

[terse thistle]

Oh I have a feeling hestia runs will be fun

[worn solar]

rn im in the middle of a 32 heat boonless hestia run lol

[clever barn]

hestia is also pretty easy for hgh heat

[long escarp]

I found Hestia to be kinda hard to learn

I suck with Hestia

[terse thistle]

Luckily there’s eris

[long escarp]

But even while kinda mashing buttons I won at 45 heat

[worn solar]

hestia doesnt need much for good damage

[long escarp]

Yeah

[worn solar]

and its really safe

[clever barn]

i played a lot of hestia but i leared about animation cancels lately so i still suck

[terse thistle]

We did not become good at this game overnight

[clever barn]

i recently did a sub 10 with achilles but sometimes i still die twice to asterius lol

idk

sometimes i play nice

most of the time i don't

[terse thistle]

Asterius is more predictable but hits harder

[clever barn]

well not most of the time

why avoiding attacks when you can just attack

lol

/s

[terse thistle]

Or have higher dodge chance…

[long escarp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

If you want it

[clever barn]

i know most of this but there are some important parts that i didn't know, for example shadow presence. my main issues is clearing rooms efficiently and sometimes i still struggle and take too much damage with lernie cuz i step on lava or get stomped 3 times in a row

thanks a ot thou it was helpful

[long escarp]

Yeah someone on the speedrun server sent it to me earlier

[clever barn]

i also suck at using cast efficiently, i just forget about it

[long escarp]

Cast is very helpful for bosses on Achilles

Especially if you can get mirage

[worn solar]

just do a a couple of cast build runs

[lean knot]

is Quick Recovery, the Hermes boon, affected by Lasting Consequences?

[long escarp]

I don’t think so

[lone jetty]

It is not

[cyan raven]

Because it's not health gain, it's health recovery

You're still losing health

[clever barn]

threw an achilles god run

[arctic charm]

Got a heroic artemis marked boon up to 105% crit chance. Does this have any effect on the crit or just guarantees next hit crit?

[clever barn]

when you pom marked, you increase the possibility to apply marked not the crit chance

[arctic charm]

oh i see

whoops LOL

[cunning urchin]

That's not right.

Hunter's Mark poms increase crit chance on Marked enemies.

Marked will be applied to another enemy every time you crit.

105% means guaranteed crits on Marked enemies.

[clever barn]

oh i see, in my language is worded strangely

"crit chance vs marked"

so i just assumed it was the probability to apply marked

[cunning urchin]

No, you just need to get a crit to apply Marked.

[clever barn]

understood, thanks

[maiden light]

Mark is always applied

When u get a crit

[nocturne hearth]

is hera bow and apho cast still broken on switch?

[long escarp]

Broken?

[nocturne hearth]

ages ago in the patch notes there was a fix for the interaction on pc - the cast didn't trigger at the right point so didn't really hit properly

just wondered if this patch had made it to switch yet

[long escarp]

Oh I have no idea

[nocturne hearth]

my switch version was out of date so fingers crossed 😄 was having lots of issues on the champions as nothing would hit

[tawny wyvern]

That’s bad

[nocturne hearth]

only one run as evidence... but seems to be better! lol

[arctic charm]

Is there ever a reason to not take colossus knuckle hammer

[long escarp]

which one is that?

[arctic charm]

Whenever attacking or using special you are sturdy

And 60+ percent of the time with the knuckles you're attacking or using special LOL

[long escarp]

Oh it’s ok I guess

You want a reason to not take it?

[arctic charm]

LOL

[long escarp]

I guess if there’s a better option?

Which there are a few for sure

Breaching cross, explosive upper

Rolling knuckle, long knuckle

[arctic charm]

oh heck yeah i love breaching cross

[long escarp]

But yeah colossus knuckle is decent I guess

It doesn’t really do much though

[arctic charm]

ohh really? I find myself needing incoming dmg reduction up til now. Maybe it becomes less worth when you're more familiar with enemy patterns and stuff

thanks 😄

[surreal creek]

i got 10 titans blood and need a quick easy and fun spear build. i have unlocked (but not upgraded) every aspect. so what do i go for?

[bronze marten]

Achilles spear, start Artemis keepsake, take ares or Demeter whichever comes first, homing casts post raging rush

[surreal creek]

ok so what artemis boon am i looking for?

[bronze marten]

Attack or special, but the centerpiece is the homing cast

From ares or dem with their duo with arty

[surreal creek]

why homing cast?`how does that help?

[ionic crown]

You don’t have to aim

[surreal creek]

yeah but (anf this might just be me) but dont you pretty much only use casts on bosses?

[bronze marten]

The duo boon with Artemis and dem/ares will make homing blade rifts and or meme beams

[surreal creek]

ok so like cast duos are gonna me my main source of dmg or is that my special?

[bronze marten]

Cast duos yes

[cunning urchin]

It's really good for eHP especially when you have other sources of damage reduction or dodge chance. But also keep in mind that you'll need less damage reduction the more damage you do. Might be good to do some runs where you prioritize DPS above all else and see how much you can get away with.

[surreal creek]

ok so i go artemis keepsake first but what do i go for in asphodel?

[proper furnace]

If you havent obtained any of the 2 casts (demeter/ares) pick any of those

[long escarp]

True shot Achilles? Why? That’s a pretty weak cast for a cast build

[proper furnace]

Otherwise ig poseidon and try mirage shot i suppose

[bronze marten]

If you get a natural ares or Demeter their keepsake

Whichever shows up in Tartarus first

We don’t know if it’s gonna be dem or ares

[surreal creek]

ok but just like if nether shows up

[proper furnace]

I enjoy ares cast more but any of them should work

[surreal creek]

ok thx

[cunning urchin]

You'll get stronger Cast builds, generally, if you start with the Cast.

If you don't get a Cast until Asphodel, you've already missed out on a lot of poms on your Cast.

[bronze marten]

Also an option

I like the flexibility of starting arty but there’s literally millions of ways to play

Also prioritize chaos over everything except the cast boon, extra cast damage or bloodstones super based

[cunning urchin]

You're also more likely to be offered the Cast boon if it's your first boon.

Because you don't have a priority boon yet, so all three slots will be priority boons.

[bronze marten]

i definitely dont restart after the first room if theres an epic cast there to get the right keepsake

def dont do that

😶

[cunning urchin]

You're also more likely to find Glacial Glare if you start with Crystal Beam and more likely to find Engulfing Vortex etc. if you start Slicing Shot.

[bronze marten]

wait really

Noted

[proper furnace]

Ares is on your god pool already so yeah

[long escarp]

Definitely start with the god who’s cast your using

That way you can get tier 2s in Tartarus

[cunning urchin]

Well, that doesn't affect the odds of him showing up until you have boons from 4+ gods, but the second boon you pick up from him could already be Engulfing Vortex. You have a shot at his t2 boons earlier in the run.

[bronze marten]

@surreal creek your best bet is to just pick one and commit

Neither approach is wrong per se

I’ve had success with arty start but a glacial glare in second boon is also super good

[long escarp]

I would personally advise against starting Artemis for a cast build.

Unless that cast build is true shot

Which is not a great idea

[proper furnace]

Only reason i take artemis first sometimes is bc i hate the cast without the duo

[bronze marten]

Particularly on blade rifts yes this

[cunning urchin]

The benefit of starting with the Adamant Arrowhead is that you're more likely to find the Duo Boon and faster.

[bronze marten]

Also if you go Demeter snow burst is super based

[long escarp]

Blade Rifts are fine without Hunting Blades.

Honestly they’re pretty good

Especially on Achilles

[bronze marten]

meh

I prefer beams to rifts

If we’re going in cold

[long escarp]

Beams are pretty bad

[proper furnace]

^ decent enough for tartarus for me
Beam is pretty eh without the duo

[long escarp]

Rifts actually do really good damage

[proper furnace]

also glaciar glare hates me so im biased

[bronze marten]

Granny is always good to me

[long escarp]

Slicing Shot with Achilles boost can absolutely melt Tartarus enemies

And the furies fight as well

It’s Asphodel where it starts to feel bad because the enemies jump away too much

[bronze marten]

lazers

and i usually go arty attack so im not as worried about the cast doing damage early

arctic blast meme beam death engine ❤️

[cunning urchin]

People also throw their Slicing Shots at Asphodel enemies that are just about to jump away... instead of waiting until they stopped jumping around.

[long escarp]

It’s definitely worse in Asphodel though

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah.

[opaque hare]

when is good to build shackles, other than that build with the blade

[long escarp]

Shattered Shackle?

[opaque hare]

uea

yea

[ionic crown]

almost never kekw

[long escarp]

The only time shackle is actually good is with AP2

[ionic crown]

unless you go into a run with the mindset that you aren’t gonna take most boon offerings

[cunning urchin]

It's a good strategy for boonless or for AP2.

[long escarp]

Otherwise just pick a boon

[bronze marten]

pretty much on high heat only. but if you want to do it for the flex, hestia rail not a bad choice

[long escarp]

Yeah or boonless

[surreal creek]

hey so i have 4 titans blood and neew to beat a run with the fists. what build do i go for? i havnt unlocked the 4th aspect and havnt upgraded any of the others. i could also go farm titans blood with other weapons?

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a guide for Demeter Aspect here that you can use for any Malphon aspect. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[surreal creek]

malphon?

[cunning urchin]

That's the name of the weapon.

Malphon the Twin Fists.

[ionic crown]

yeah

[surreal creek]

oh ok but will it also work with no aspect? or should i use my 4 titan blood on 1 aspect. or do i farm titans blood with another weapon first?

[ionic crown]

if by no aspect you mean zag aspect, yes it will

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, works fine with the base Fists.

You can upgrade any aspect you think sounds fun.

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle 816 backstab without crits, 2651 backstab crits, 4283~4691 (depending on how much Hide Breaker was) backstab crits on armored foes.

[ionic crown]

mfw

[turbid needle]

Was that for my run?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[turbid needle]

Holy pog

Thanks Nyaaan

[cunning urchin]

It's Nyaanyaa.

[ionic crown]

which one was hide reaker

[turbid needle]

Nyaanyaaaaa

[cunning urchin]

The only person who can call me Nyaan is Lady Aphrodite.

[ionic crown]

can I call you nya

oh hide breaker was purple

[surreal creek]

can someone tell me how i should be using the fists when playing base fists and which of the builds metioned here i should be running for a quick victory?
#h1-builds-and-combat message

i just think the fists feel kinda awkward to play with

[ionic crown]

Pretty sure nya said any of those builds will work

[subtle star]

Alright, now that I found the right channel...can someone explain the Hades Sigil...I read have re-read the keepsake and call explanation a number of times and heard multiple people say that it causes "global damage" but after having used it a handful of times, what the game says and the people say just doesn't seem to add up...

[long escarp]

Read the call itself

Global damage just means damage to everything

How does it not add up?

[subtle star]

This is what the call says - Your Call becomes Hades' Aid, which briefly makes you Invisible; your God Gauge starts 10/20/30% full.

[long escarp]

No, that’s not what the call says

The call says “Stealth Damage Bonus: +100%”

[subtle star]

...ok, well I will look again when I play...it is just something that for some reason, I have not read in the game what a lot of people say about it.

[errant narwhal]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Sigil_of_the_Dead

you can find it here

[long escarp]

It also says “Invisible: Vanish and move faster for 2 Sec; strike time appear and deal bonus damage for 1.5 sec”

[proven osprey]

The full tool tip is not available while in a run iirc

[long escarp]

Ok? Just because you haven’t read it doesn’t mean it’s not there

[subtle star]

Yeah I had just been reading that and saw in the chart that it said that, just still had not seen it in game

[proven osprey]

Might be mistaken but you have to read everything from the keepsake box

Which is totally named as is

Not

[long escarp]

No you have to read the call itself

[proven osprey]

Do you have the unseen part too?

[long escarp]

If you actually read the call it’s seriously hard to miss

[ionic crown]

oh like the call slot in your boon list?

[long escarp]

Yes

[subtle star]

Lol, well aware, trust me, almost everyday my life someone asks me to go get something from somewhere, then I look, I do not see it, I return to the person, they insist it is there, and then it "appears." Not sure why, but I have been like this since birth...well maybe since I became aware of my existence...

[ionic crown]

mfw

[long escarp]

🆗

[proven osprey]

You might be under some curse

But Hades call has always been misleading anyway

[long escarp]

It’s only misleading if you only read the keepsake and assume that’s full information

[subtle star]

Lol...I mean crazier things have happened

[subtle star]

Appreciate the understanding at least...I will try to look harder next time I am on...

[proven osprey]

Don't look down on small curses

[bronze marten]

You should try me looking for stuff in a pantry that I loaded myself, it’s embarassing you’re not alone but there’s no shame to be had in asking stuff that is not clear

[surreal creek]

whats the best shield build with the chaos aspect?

[ionic crown]

slap doom on special

[long escarp]

No?

They said best

The best build is Zeus special

Get Jolted

[mild raft]

Doom is pretty good on Chaos shield special too

Lets you get solid aoe coverage

[long escarp]

Is it? I don’t like it at all

[subtle star]

I like Dio also...spread the vinho

[long escarp]

Why do doom when you can do jolted

And also double the DPS

[mild raft]

Plus you're not spamming special too much you're doing a pattern of attack > special

[surreal creek]

ok so im really confused

[mild raft]

Choose whichever one you like the most

Ares, Zeus, or Dio

[surreal creek]

i need a build i can push like heat 10 with. idk is heat 10 high? atm i have completed heat 5

[mild raft]

You can realistically do anything you want for most of the game

[subtle star]

I stopped using Chaos around Heat 5 and switched to Beo and Zeus...I think they deal better with higher heats...

[mild raft]

Chaos Special has multiple instances of damage so it's better with flat damage sources like Zeus, Ares, and Dio

[long escarp]

They do. But 5 heat is not high heat

[subtle star]

Beo brings the power and Zeus brings crowd control...

[mild raft]

You can realistically use any aspect you want up until like 40 heat

[long escarp]

Beo has insane AOE and Zeus has huge damage

So those kinda apply to both

[mild raft]

Beo and Zeus are some of the best weapons for pushing high heat

[long escarp]

Yeah

[mild raft]

Zeus holds the seeded and unseeded heat wr

well it's routed but like

64 and 62 heat respectively

Which are numbers only done by like 1 person each

so it's really nothing to worry about

[subtle star]

Your best bet is what some already implied, just try stuff out and experiment...in the single digit and 10's of heat...you have lots of wiggle room for trying different things. Maybe pick a duo or two to work towards and try it with Chaos...for each person, blanket builds don't really exist...you still have to get used to them and practice over and over again.

[surreal creek]

would u recommend i do that too?

[long escarp]

For 10 heat? Really anything works tbh

I’ve done 40 heat with almost every aspect in the game

At 10 heat anything can work

[surreal creek]

ok then i think ill save my titans blood and use chaos shield. now i just need to decide on which build

[long escarp]

Yeah use whatever you find fun

Don’t do Chaos just because they won with Chaos

Do whatever you like

Any aspect can work without too much difficulty

[surreal creek]

i think im between zeus and ares and from what i heard zeus does more dmg?

[long escarp]

For what?

[surreal creek]

chaos shield

[subtle star]

That was my experience...I tried Chaos first, thought it was cool, but in the end, I felt like the multiple shields missed the enemies most of the time...Beo and Zeus are much more efficient in allowing you to decide exactly where you are gonna strike

[long escarp]

I always do Aphrodite

And shotgun

[cunning urchin]

At something at 10 Heat it's not really about what you need but what makes it easiest for you to clear a run.

[long escarp]

Well tbh now I just force charged shot but that’s just because I do high heat

But seriously at 10 heat just play whatever you want

[surreal creek]

ill go zeus shield. what build do i run?

[mild raft]

Zeus can typically scale better with more Zeus boons

[long escarp]

I suggest Zeus special and jolted

[mild raft]

You just stack every Zeus tier 2 on it you can

[cunning urchin]

and get all the .

[mild raft]

The fabled Zeus^2 build

[cunning urchin]

And don't listen to heretics.

[surreal creek]

ok so i get zeus on special, get jolted and run with whatever else i get?

[mild raft]

You can also appease nyaanyaa with getting Aphro attack and smoldering air

[long escarp]

Yeah pretty much

[mild raft]

But the key part of the build is Zeus special

[long escarp]

That’s also a good idea

[surreal creek]

what hammers do i prioritize?

[surreal creek]

ill run with what you said here with zeus special and smoldering air

[cunning urchin]

Explosive Return.

Charged Shot.

[long escarp]

Sudden Rush

Ferocious Guard

But Charged Shot is definitely the best one

At least with Zeus special

[cunning urchin]

Flurry Jab.

[mild raft]

Cluster rocket

[cunning urchin]

Breaching Cross.

[long escarp]

Twin Shot

[mild raft]

God imagine 900% extra damage on armor on any weapon other than fists

I swear sometimes that hammer still blows my mind

[subtle star]

I did a double take the first time I saw it...like it was a glitch...and I thought, "better get this before they nerf it!"

[mild raft]

Yea breaching cross is definitely one of the best hammers for fists

[surreal creek]

hey so uhm. i got a zeus choice between static discharge (jolted. 88 dmg rare), splitting bolt (40 dmg legendary) and his duo boon with dio (got dio cast and attack for now. 60 dmg). so which do i go with?

[surreal creek]

do you have any idea as to which boon i should chose?

[long escarp]

?

Oh

Splitting bolt

[surreal creek]

i really dont know

[long escarp]

Splitting bolt is insane

[surreal creek]

even tho it does less dmg than jolted?

[long escarp]

Yeah

It does that damage on every hit

Jolted only does it when they attack

Also the bolts hit multiple enemies

[surreal creek]

oh ok. didnt know that. but thx

[worn solar]

uh also its the legendary

[cunning urchin]

You can get Scintillating Feast from both gods.

Splitting Bolt only from one.

And Static Discharge has a 50% chance to show up whenever you take a boon from Lord Zeus, anyway.

[mild raft]

The general rule of thumb is take whatever boon is harder to get

You’ll have more chances to get jolted than you will to get Splitting

[proven osprey]

Not to mention splitting bolt is way more damage than jolted

[long escarp]

Yeah that too

[sterile fiber]

how long is Holy Shield's deflect duration

[manic zephyr]

any page for check what mirror talent shall i take?

[arctic charm]

What governs whether or not hellfire orbs explode? Timer / proximity to an exploding orb / detonation via normal attack?

[split radish]

damage iirc

[arctic charm]

is it good to get piercing fire on the eden so I can shoot orbs through enemies?

[split radish]

personally never tried it, what other hammers were offered?

[arctic charm]

triple bomb and the igneus 250% damage in larger area boon

i got triple bomb so I could spam hellfire

also i love your avatar XD

[split radish]

triple bomb is what i'd have gone with. also thanks!

[manic pagoda]

playing Rama, got a choice of Relentless Volley, Repulse Shot, and Explosive Shot. none seem particularly interesting but I'm thinking probably either Relentless Volley or Repulse Shot

[arctic charm]

I frequently get repulse shot but the volley also looks really interesting

Imaging getting volley and finding support fire :))

[split radish]

relentless volley+zeus is cheesy but does WORK

[manic pagoda]

gonna go with volley then, why not

[long escarp]

Triple bomb is the best Lucifer hammer by a lot. They’re all good tbh, but triple is very very good

[long escarp]

I take relentless because explosive is arguably a negative and repulse is straight up useless

[split radish]

where would you rank the faster fire-rate hammer?

[long escarp]

Flash fire?

Flash fire is really good

Probably my pick for second best

[cunning urchin]

The aspect doesn't actually have bad hammers.

[long escarp]

This is true

Triple is definitely the best though

[split radish]

aphro/arty + triple mmm

[arctic charm]

I have arctic blast and frost special on the eden + triple bomb. Two questions:

1. Does each pulse the bomb make apply chill?
2. Will the arctic blast explosion at 10 chill stacks set off the bombs?

[split radish]

is demeter fists with arctic blast any good?

[arctic charm]

If you have frosty attack or the demeter special that inflicts chill you can make that work 😄 Even more if you get the artemis / demeter duo

[long escarp]

Not really

[cunning urchin]

September Challenge
THE LEGEND OF PERSEPHONE
Triforce of the Gods
*Venture down to Hades and an age of magic and heroes. The predecessors of Zagreus and Persephone face monsters on the march when a menacing magician takes over the kingdom. Only you can prevent this evil plot from shattering the land of Greece.

Acquire the three pendants of virtue, find the Master Sword, defeat Ganon, and rescue Princess Persephone!*

Conditions:
Aspect: Zagreus Sword
Keepsake: Harpy Feather Duster, Shady OR Fidi
Mirror: ONLY Death Defiance, Abyssal Blood, Stygian Soul, High Confidence, Family Favorite, Dark Foresight, and Gods' Legacy
You may not use Dash until you fight Theseus & Asterius OR you find Hyper Sprint. You may not use rerolls from Fated Authority or Fated Persuasion. (You may use Dash in Eurydice's chamber.)

Bonus Condition:
Find the Master Sword: Find both Flurry Slash and Piercing Wave.

Extra Challenge (optional):
Middle Management, Extreme Measures 4

Control Recommendations for Pad Players (assuming Xbox buttons):
A: Attack
X: Cast
B: Dash
(These controls will be true to the SNES game A Link to the Past.)

Song Recommendations:
Tartarus: Hyrule Castle
Boss Fights: Anger of the Guardians
Asphodel: Lost Ancient Ruins
Elysium: Hyrule Field Main Theme
Temple of Styx: Black Mist
Hades Fight: The Prince of Darkness
Victory: Power of the Gods

You can submit your runs here. A screenshot or video is required: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit#gid=1472969556

If you wish to be notified of any new <@&737365219982049411>, type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands.

Challenge gifs:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845670880800538644/889613895256395818/zelda-the-legend-of-zelda.gif
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845670880800538644/889613615005564948/XR5ol6.gif
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845670880800538644/889613626124664882/ganon-zelda.gif

[fading nymph]

pog

[stark ore]

You may not use Dash
well i’m never beating this

[dry ember]

poggie

[cunning urchin]

I believe in you!

[fading nymph]

why can you dash starting at heroes

[dusky drum]

lol if i can get to hades on fresh file then you can do a run with more than freshfile with the challenge

[safe mesa]

might try this out on stream tomorrow

[stark ore]

Haven’t used Zag sword in a while so seems like a good time to try it out again

[dusky drum]

doesnt say we cant use special so....

is dash nova actually good now

[fading nymph]

maybe

this one sounds really cool

scared of no dash strike sword though

[cunning urchin]

Nyahahahahaha!

I mean.

You can do it!

[fading nymph]

yes you mean

[dusky drum]

just get a starting hermes with hypersprint

ez

then nab rush delivery too

[fading nymph]

just do meme beams from a distance and dash nova away

that might actually work though

guess only playing will see

[dusky drum]

youll probably want athena on one of your attacks

preferably normal attack so you can deflect stuff easily

[fading nymph]

yeah

[dusky drum]

and if you nab early hyper sprint dash would be wonderful

honestly early hyper sprint and its a normal run ngl

[fading nymph]

was about to say ME then remembered no dash

lol

[sonic mural]

maybe poseidon attack to knock melee enemies back

[dusky drum]

that could work too

but the what do you do when witches fly out to lava in asphodel

[fading nymph]

also rip my mussel memory with changed controls lol

[dusky drum]

youre kinda screwed unless you wait with cast

[sonic mural]

special athena