h1-builds-and-combat

[strange lark]

My first clear was with Dem fists

[trail summit]

Lmao ive never cleared im new

[chrome ridge]

I cleared on my 22th run. You'll get there

[trail summit]

Fav weapon is stygian tho

Im boring

[chrome ridge]

its fine

i like the sword too

nemesis is my current fav aspect

but I wanna try arthur so bad

[terse thistle]

I haven’t lost so far with Arthur because I figured out what works well

[trail summit]

I have an op combo with lighting on special and the hammer upgrade that gives it 2 hits

Then you take every pom and pump lightning damage

[frozen birch]

does static discharge apply to zeus' call?

[strange lark]

Yeah

[frozen birch]

ok 325 total hp with one revive left

maybe this is my run

[turbid needle]

Good luck!

[frozen birch]

thank u 😭

[chrome ridge]

zeus call is one of my fav call aids

carried me on a hades fight

[frozen birch]

does it work on hades?

bc ares didn't work on hades

[chrome ridge]

yeah, it def. does.

But he might go with his shield or invis on the first phase

[proper furnace]

All curses work on him, but he clears them when he vanishes

[frozen birch]

ughhh the first phrase is already hard as is why is there a second

ok i'm gonna start now

hopefully i manage to win 😭

[chrome ridge]

second is actually easier imo

[strange lark]

Wait until they find out there's a third phase

[frozen birch]

wat

r u trolling

pls

[chrome ridge]

on em4

[strange lark]

Yes

[frozen birch]

what's em4

[strange lark]

You don't have to worry about the third phase for a while

[chrome ridge]

optional thing after your first clear

[turbid needle]

Oh lord

[chrome ridge]

bosses get an upgrade

[frozen birch]

plssssssss

[turbid needle]

He goes full Sister Friede

I'm actually super looking forward to that - I need to hurry up and get my first win

[chrome ridge]

em4 is one of the hardest options in the pact

It should be one of the last things you try to attempt

[strange lark]

Ri4 is hard too

But not for me

[green bluff]

dash strikes on excalibur weren't bad, but I found standard attacks far more useful

[proper furnace]

Big numbers fun

[chrome ridge]

God damn it, I'll keep playing then

I wanna unlock Arthur asap

I love big and bulky weapons

[green bluff]

it was a really fun weapon to use

brought back Dark souls memories

ultra greatsword of doom, hits 3 times per stamina bar, but each hit is half HP

[chrome ridge]

Never played dark souls, now that I think about it

Watched a few speedruns tho

[boreal prism]

All the hidden aspects are big and bulky imo

[strange lark]

Lucifer isnt

[boreal prism]

Lucifer has a longer windup than other guns

It can't shoot immediately

And the damage ramps up over time

[frozen birch]

i died on phase 2

i want to death

[strange lark]

F

[green bluff]

The bow is a machinegun

some people don't even attack, only special spam

[boreal prism]

Yeah but that's.... wrong. That's not how you use rama

I mean I hate to judge but the rama attack is so strong and good

You could special spam on arthur too but that doesn't make it a fast weapon

[proper furnace]

Rama special only can be fun but big number is even more fun

[sterile fiber]

it's Delta Chamber at home:

just like Gilga is doom at home

[frozen birch]

the glove things are fun

[boreal prism]

You love to punch?

[frozen birch]

yes

what do u do with titan blood?

[edgy mauve]

upgrade and unlock aspects

[frozen birch]

oh

[iron locust]

Something I didn't notice until like, 200 runs in, was that Skelly makes exaggerated animations when you inflict an attack that can stagger an enemy. And he doesn't do that for attacks that don't stagger. The purpose of this is to clearly indicate what attacks can stagger foes and not. That's ingenius.

[frozen birch]

wow i haven't noticed that

also how do u acess aspects?

[proper furnace]

Unlock all weapons, do a run after that, check the weapon you have currently equiped to see the aspects

*In the backyard before the run

[sterile fiber]

When you have Middle Management, the witches circle miniboss sometimes shoots 4 large bullets instead of a stream of smaller ones, what does that do?

[proper furnace]

Could be absolutely wrong but they cant be destroyed iirc?

[acoustic vale]

They can, makes many smaller thingies

Thingies is the technical term

[surreal wagon]

Oh the only difference I've found is when I hit them nothing happens

They can be deflected tho

I think maybe they also fire more often in general?

You can kinda cheese the entire fight tho if you can deflect easily

[terse thistle]

I love Arthur… zag turns into a literal tank. It’s one of those aspects that the build itself is hard to mess up

As long as you slap weak on main attack everything else hardly changes it’s potency

[surreal wagon]

Well do you use it for the weak or for the damage output

Or both

[terse thistle]

That’s all I go for. Lot of damage mixed with a few casts.

[surreal wagon]

Yeah I do that a lot

Chaos helps a ton, I think I had 3 strikes one time

Probably with flurry jab tho, I've only played Arthur a few times

[terse thistle]

Flurry jab the main spear hammer, with a range and speed boost it wrecks

[surreal wagon]

It's fun tho, getting 1000+ damage in one hit without a ton of gimmicks

[surreal wagon]

Yeah it's just too fast, I could tell the first time I used it

[terse thistle]

I literally melted the hydra heads

[acoustic vale]

TFW you get 6 extra defiances from chaos

[surreal wagon]

Plus swift strike plus chaos strike plus heartbreak strike 👌 👌 👌

[proper furnace]

im sorry, what

[acoustic vale]

I've never done it, but I imagine it's theoretically possible with enough of that item and enough luck

[surreal wagon]

You can't set your seed can you

[edgy mauve]

u cant route

can*

u can make a route but u cannot set ur seed

[surreal wagon]

Yeah

Maybe with mods but idk

[proper furnace]

There is a mod that allows you to start with what you want iirc?

[edgy mauve]

well

they mean set a seed

like literally

[surreal wagon]

Yeah

[edgy mauve]

just what u want to happen in the run happen dont u?

[surreal wagon]

Idk if that's how hades even works

[edgy mauve]

hades can be routed

[surreal wagon]

It might get new seeds at each point of rng

Yes you can route

[worthy dagger]

whats this tank excalibur build

that i heard about

[surreal wagon]

Have you gotten the hidden aspect of stygius

[worthy dagger]

yes

[surreal wagon]

Do that, get heartbreak strike with a ton of levels, get chaos strike boons, get defensive boons, deal tons of damage without much risk

[edgy mauve]

basically just slap weak and a bunch of damage resist on it

[surreal wagon]

Yeah

[edgy mauve]

like athena/aphrodite

[surreal wagon]

You honestly don't even need the defensive boons, they just help a bunch

[worthy dagger]

i dont get it

[acoustic vale]

excalibur gives you +50 hp

with that, thick skin, and cerberus you leave the house with 200 hp

[surreal wagon]

Excalibur (stygius hidden aspect) does 200 base damage on the third attack

[acoustic vale]

excalibur's special provides a zone of damage resist

[surreal wagon]

That too

[surreal wagon]

If you get your attack up to, say +200% through Aphrodite and chaos, you're doing 600 damage in one hit

And you can definitely go higher than +200%

[acoustic vale]

[phone]%

overflow the damage calcs and get -50 billion damage

[worthy dagger]

is aphro boon preferred over cerb

er

keepsake

[edgy mauve]

for atleast forcing yeah

just take that in tart

[surreal wagon]

Mix that with stuff like bronze skin and you barely need to worry about getting hit

[acoustic vale]

Thank you for the new build idea

[surreal wagon]

Skelly keepsake is better than cerberus keepsake if you do the math

I think with 4 DDs it evens out but I use SD anyway

[edgy mauve]

in terms of math yes and in terms of health absolutely not

[acoustic vale]

I mean probably, but we want max hp for the meme

[surreal wagon]

True

[edgy mauve]

like

[acoustic vale]

if you aren't entering hades with 600 hp what are you doing?

[surreal wagon]

True honestly

[edgy mauve]

when are u burning 4 dd's in like tart LOL

[surreal wagon]

Exactly

[proper furnace]

If you want max hp, start aphro and hope for epic life affirmation

[edgy mauve]

or asphodel

[surreal wagon]

I just use pom blossom until styx where I switch to lucky tooth

[acoustic vale]

em1 fo2 HLmax BP CPmax DC2

[edgy mauve]

[surreal wagon]

I should probably try to plan builds in advance but like eh

[surreal wagon]

Lost me at fo2

[proper furnace]

I've only done pom blossom for seeded dio special run, was fun

[worthy dagger]

what does pom blossom do

[surreal wagon]

Free random poms

[edgy mauve]

every 3 encounters it poms a boon

[surreal wagon]

4

[edgy mauve]

it doesnt have much use as its very very random

imo

[acoustic vale]

Gotta admit, that IS a scenario where you might burn 4 DD in tartarus

[surreal wagon]

I mean all your boons get better what else could you want

[edgy mauve]

see

all ur boons dont need to get better

some boons benefit literally nothing off of poms

[surreal wagon]

But I do see the problem with random

[edgy mauve]

like

id rather force that one boon that i want to load poms into in tart

and then get pom it through the run

[proper furnace]

Yeah some boons arent worth pomming
Or sometimes the pom scaling is poor

[edgy mauve]

rather than relying on a heavy rng keepsake thats only gives u 3 poms per biome

i think

asphodel it only gives u two poms

and styx is whatever

[proper furnace]

Hangover pom scaling is amazing bc is always 1 damage x level (unless dio call)

[edgy mauve]

screw elysium it doesnt exist

[surreal wagon]

Elysium is no more

[proper furnace]

Styx shop cast dream shop > all poms

[acoustic vale]

You actually get a LOT of poms in styx, it counts each room instead of each tunnel like some other keepsakes do

[boreal prism]

pom blossom is nice if you make sure to not take any bad boons.... easier said than done lmao

[lone jetty]

Pom blossom has always been great for giving me a level 7 Divine Dash

[surreal wagon]

Wait why

The only dash I use that I level up is Poseidon

It does half decent damage

But why divine dash

[proper furnace]

Pom blossom rng going all into dash ofc

[surreal wagon]

Well you can manipulate it

[acoustic vale]

Because who needs good initial damage when you can keep boosting it till it becomes good, get +5 dashes from hermes, and then just never get hit again

[sterile fiber]

you have not truly lived until you have Rare crop Divine Dash

[surreal wagon]

How much does it do at level ~5

[edgy mauve]

literally negative damahge

divine dash heals the opponent

[surreal wagon]

makes sense

[edgy mauve]

only half decent?

[surreal wagon]

I mean comparable to attack on some weapons

It depends on your weapon for how good it is in general

But it's always worth using

[edgy mauve]

well u have a dash attack for a reason

on bow/shield i think its less good yeah probably

[frigid pewter]

Does athena’s boon last stand give you another death defiance if you haven’t used one up?

[boreal prism]

No

[acoustic vale]

I wish it did, that'd be hilarious

get 5 death defiances, lose them all by being stupid, run into Patroclus, 10 in the run

[boreal prism]

you CAN get extra death defiances from chaos

[acoustic vale]

this is also true

I've started a run with the Arthur tank build, and it's going quite well so far, heartbreak strike has been rare cropped, and pommed, leaving Tartarus

I've got 4 dashes and divine dash

[worthy dagger]

is aspect of zagreus any good

[boreal prism]

on which weapon

[worthy dagger]

oh sorry

sword

stygius

[boreal prism]

I think its overshadowed by the other ones

But it is cheap!

[cunning urchin]

No, it's not very good.

It gives you virtually no DPS and very little in terms of survivability.

[lucid kelp]

Hello there, I'm getting my ass kicked ... can u give most OP build known atm?

like really lol

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf, Flood Flare, Deadly Strike, Mirage Shot, Charged Shot.

[acoustic vale]

What does charged shot do? Both in general and for the build?

[lucid kelp]

For new players would u mind to explain how to get each of what u mentioned? sorry new player here

[cunning urchin]

80 base damage and piercing is what Charged Shot does.

[lucid kelp]

I'm really sorry if asking too much, just wanna understand

[cunning urchin]

And faster startup.

[lucid kelp]

I've got all weapons if I'm not wrong, got 6 weapons now

Almost leveled all darkness talents

[cunning urchin]

Steps for unlocking the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

[boreal prism]

Oh yeah you'll need to beat the final boss to get the hidden aspects i think

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf is the hidden shield.

You just need to get to him, you don't need to defeat him.

[boreal prism]

Oh ok

[lucid kelp]

Ohh god I really suck, I barely beat the bull then died after that

I really really suck

[robust anchor]

with the number of times savior has pooped in my brunch im willing to take zeus atk on zag bow now

damn dont say you suck dude

[boreal prism]

Hey if you reached the bull you're better than some players

[robust anchor]

[boreal prism]

You'll get better at the game

[cunning urchin]

Well, you won't be getting that Beowulf build for quite awhile tbh.

[lucid kelp]

The good thing about this game it's addecitive! no matter how many times I die I try again

[boreal prism]

If you want a broken build you can do before you make more progress, find yourself a merciful end build

[misty sun]

I mean, the bull is a run killer for many people, both starting put and later game

[acoustic vale]

Bull should be champion instead of ugly loudmouth lameo

[cunning urchin]

@lucid kelp what's your favorite weapon so far?

[cunning urchin]

Asterius wouldn't agree, and he'd beat you up for talking like that about his best friend.

[lucid kelp]

shield lol

[cunning urchin]

Have you unlocked any aspects for the shield yet?

[lucid kelp]

How do I know?

Like where to check that?

I stared playing it like 6 hours ago

[cunning urchin]

Well, if you're asking that, you haven't yet.

[boreal prism]

Once you have every weapon you can equip a weapon you already have equipped to see the aspect menu

[lucid kelp]

Or right, I beat the bull in another run with his buddy

the one with shield

I beat both of them then died a few levels later

before I get to meet now boss

[cunning urchin]

Start with the for Heartbreak Strike, then switch to the Thunder Signet in Asphodel to try to get Zeus' Aid. After that, try to get their Duo Boon.

And get as much HP and damage reduction as you can. Lady Aphrodite has Life Affirmation, Broken Resolve, and Different League. You want those.

[boreal prism]

Oh yeah that's a cool build to do... constant lightning

[cunning urchin]

And of course, you want Smoldering Air. That's their Duo Boon.

[lucid kelp]

Many many thanks! Will try it now and update u with results

[cunning urchin]

It will charge your Call in 5 seconds. Any time you activate any Call, you get i-frames for a brief moment. Feels a bit longer than the i-frames you get from a Dash.

[lucid kelp]

Can I feel free to ask whenever I feel in need for help?

[cunning urchin]

Absolutely.

[lucid kelp]

Thanks sir!

[misty sun]

What would be good for the Eris Rail?
It seems Interesting.

[cunning urchin]

I'll have you fed to my sacred crocodiles if you call me a sir again.

[boreal prism]

If you ask for specific advice people love to jump in to help

[lucid kelp]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok sry

[cunning urchin]

If you click on somebody's name or profile picture, you'll see their roles.

A good idea to check that before assuming genders.

[boreal prism]

Eris is a pretty classic rail, Zeus atk and aphro special works nicely on all rails and eris loves it

[cunning urchin]

From Lord Hermes, you'll want Hyper Sprint, Greatest Reflex, Second Wind, or Greater Evasion, ideally. Pretty much in that order. Greater Haste is decent, too.

Divine Dash is also gonna be a huge help if you can get that.

[lucid kelp]

I'm really really sry, it's a bad habbit of mine

[cunning urchin]

Basically, that build will just give you a lot of survivability and also very good damage.

[lucid kelp]

Will make sure to be more carefull

[cunning urchin]

Good.

Apology accepted. My sacred crocodiles got hungry now, though, so I might still have you fed to them.

[lucid kelp]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh will do

[cunning urchin]

Are you looking for any build ideas or do you just want the optimal build for DPS?

[misty sun]

Any at the moment, as just trying to get my rail clear.

[cunning urchin]

Eris is so busted that the optimal DPS build pretty much gives you all the survivability you could need, too, because everything just dies.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

The build:
Get Zeus attack, Poseidon Dash, and a percentage damage special.
Start your run with Zeus keepsake, then switch to Poseidon in Asphodel, then Sigil for Elysium/Styx.
Don’t take any call except Zeus.

That's the core of that one.

[misty sun]

What's "Sigil"?

[cunning urchin]

It's a keepsake. If you don't have it yet, don't worry about it.

Might want to avoid the guide for now to avoid potential spoilers.

But anyway, the core is Lightning Strike start > Tidal Dash.

A good % damage boon for your Special. Typically not Tempest Flourish, though, because the knockback causes more trouble than it's worth it more often than not.

And you also really want Static Discharge.

And then mainly just more Poseidon t2 boons like Breaking Wave etc.

[lucid kelp]

I got heartbreak strike, now I have to choose one of artemis boons, what do u think?

[cunning urchin]

What's she offering?

[misty sun]

What are your options?

[cunning urchin]

Probably Pressure Points.

[lucid kelp]

deadly flourish, true shot, hunter dash

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm.

I guess True Shot.

[lucid kelp]

weapon is shield btw

[cunning urchin]

Well, Hunter Dash is fine, too.

If you can reroll, reroll.

[lucid kelp]

cool

[misty sun]

They just started, I highly doubt they can resolve yet.

[cunning urchin]

Some people move faster through the mirror and the game than others. You never know.

[misty sun]

Fair

[misty sun]

Man, the rail takes getting used to.

[fading panther]

Bind the reload to somewhere more easily pressed

It’s easier to develop muscle memory that way, based on my own experience

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, put reload on something like LB/L1 on pad.

[lucid kelp]

I did it! and now I know what are aspects

So again, I'm trying to get most OP build lol

any idea?

[turbid needle]

https://youtu.be/bY42CJs159Q

Not too sure whether to go Cthonic or Dark Regen? And Infernal or Stygian Soul?

[turbid needle]

mostly preferance

[surreal wagon]

Speaking of sigil, do I have to level it up for it to be useful or something, because I've tried it and it feels very useless

[solar dawn]

sigil gives you a 100% damage boost after coming out of invis for 1.5 seconds

use it right before a big burst attack

@stiff jackal you can go for merciful end (ares + athena duo) or heart rend (arti + aphro duo) for a very powerful nemesis build

[iron locust]

I like Dark Regen because if you've died late in a heat your second chance will be better with those juicy darknesses at the end of bosses

[solar dawn]

For merciful end go for doom on attack, athena special and dash

[lucid oar]

I find that dark regeneration is overkill for healing at the end of boss fights

And I like consistent healing in Elysium/styx

[iron locust]

And as for casts, Infernal vs Stygian is always preference, but one is much risk for reward, that being Stygian. If you get some Chaos Bloodstone+ you can potentially net some insane numbers that Infernal cannot achieve. Infernal is safer, but Stygian gambles for higher performance. Pick what you will.

[turbid needle]

Thank you for this! I'll spend some extra darkness so I can alternate between them both depending on what I'm running!

[surreal wagon]

So it would synergize with Excalibur for example right

[iron locust]

Yup yup. Though people will tell you to lean towards Stygian, and for good reason. For like Achilles, Hera, Poseidon and ||Beowulf|| aspects, it brings great potential. That's to be expected from a server filled with high rollers though!

[surreal wagon]

Idk I just use stygian and make sure not to miss my casts

But yeah it's preference

[lucid oar]

Stygian is only better than infernal on Hera/Beowulf if you're using Dio cast, otherwise you use infernal

[turbid needle]

Gotcha! Thank you haha!

[lucid oar]

And Poseidon uses infernal as well, otherwise you don't get the effect of the aspect

[turbid needle]

I swear I'm just one good build away from getting a clear - so close I can practically taste it now

[lucid oar]

Actually, at top play, all 4 of those aspects use infernal

[iron locust]

Oh and one more note for Dark Regeneration. It is very beginner friendly. Especially since you can pluck the Darkness from the Infernal Troves or shops and STILL net healing. (Yes, even from the well of Charon.) Plus plus, the Gemstone/Darkness buff from Chaos is ALSO a thing that factors into it. Sometimes if you go for Dark Thirst and Chaos, those Darkness drops from bosses can completely restore your health.

Oh, and also that +50%~ chamber reward from Poseidon. Anything Darkness related honestly.

Downsides? It doesn't do anything for you in the Styx.

[lucid oar]

Or Elysium if you use dark foresight

[iron locust]

It's less about the tiny smidges you get from clearing chambers and moreso the big ones for bosses at heats you've failed to clear entirely

So Tartarus, Asphodel, and Elysium

[lucid oar]

That's almost always overkill in my experience

[iron locust]

Better full health than dead

[solar dawn]

overkill for me too, theres a fountain right after them

[lucid oar]

With chthonic vitality, you can enter the fight at full health as well

[turbid needle]

Which aspects are best for varatha?

[terse thistle]

There’s no best, only what you like to use the most. I found love in Zag aspect… but only cause flurry jab

[edgy mauve]

in terms of what?

[turbid needle]

Dps

I’m using varatha because of it’s range

But I need it to do more damage

[edgy mauve]

in terms of DPS its achilles or guan yu

[turbid needle]

On the topic of this, what's a good build to shoot for with Achiles aspect? I just unlocked it and I'm about to start a run with it

[edgy mauve]

tidal dash into flurry jab into zeus attack if u find it natural in tart then force again for static discharge OR if u dont find a natural zeus in tart go for artemis attack

if u want a fun build

hunting blades/crystal clarity

could also do a dio cast ting

[turbid needle]

Alright I can shoot for that, I'll start with Poseidon keepsake and see where it takes me

[edgy mauve]

aight

[cunning urchin]

Why would you even name Guan Yu there? Achilles is the #1 spear for DPS, and there's not really a close second.

[edgy mauve]

because guan yu has good special

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu Charged Skewer with Merciful End is still well behind Achilles in DPS.

[edgy mauve]

i didnt say it wasnt

[languid forum]

with achilles do u just spam special and attack every so ofteen

[edgy mauve]

no u have a rotation

[proven osprey]

You use the special to move efficiently, use the 4 charges and do that again

[edgy mauve]

dash strike dash strike special

[proven osprey]

You won't get more charges if you special before consuming them

[turbid needle]

How many runs do you usually need to do before unlocking malphon?

[proven osprey]

you have to be careful of that

[languid forum]

i see

thanks

[edgy mauve]

if u have +dashes and flurry jab u exhaust all ur dashes and then special

also for movement ofc

[proven osprey]

^

[languid forum]

yea

i use the speical sometimes to dodge

[proven osprey]

yeah it has iframes too

[lucid kelp]

Guys regarding duo boons do I have to get them in order?

in case of merciful end should I get Curse of Pain or Curse of Agony then Divine Strike or Divine Flourish?

[edgy mauve]

no

[solar dawn]

You can get them in any order

[edgy mauve]

the order doesnt matter

u just need the prereqs

[lucid kelp]

I got both of boons but didn't get the duo boon hmmm

what's wrong?

[edgy mauve]

u just got unlucky

[lucid kelp]

ohhh I c

[edgy mauve]

its not guaranteed

[lucid kelp]

so it doesn't happen all the time

[edgy mauve]

no

[lucid kelp]

many thnks

[delicate tusk]

@trail summit what bow build do you want?

Charon, Rama, Hera?

Zagreus isn't really good imo

[trail summit]

What do you mean

Aspect wise

[delicate tusk]

You asked in the other chat, no?

[trail summit]

I did

[delicate tusk]

Which aspect do you prefer?

[errant narwhal]

I enjoy zagreus, crit chance is always good

[strange lark]

yeah zag bow is good

[trail summit]

I usually use zag for the crit

[delicate tusk]

Chiron best bow but I suck at bow

Take it away, alma

[strange lark]

rama is better imo

[delicate tusk]

Outside my expertise, here

[trail summit]

Ok what builds do you recommend

[errant narwhal]

there’s not much to it other than crit tho

Other aspects are certainly more fun

[turbid needle]

hera is best bow for speed, rama for heat

[lucid oar]

Chiron is kinda bad imo

[solar dawn]

Rama special only is fun

[lucid oar]

For both speedruns and high heat

[solar dawn]

It's safe but it's really slow

[turbid needle]

hera uses aphro cast, rama likes aphro or artemis atk and dio, zeus or ares on special

[trail summit]

I have been using hera and upping cast a lot and using the cast reload mirror upgrade at max

[lucid oar]

Eh, the special takes so long that I wouldn't consider it that safe

[turbid needle]

chiron is nice with a heartrend or hangover build

[delicate tusk]

Against, I'm sorta bad at the bow, but dio/demeter special provides STACKS

[solar dawn]

Definitely not the safest, but it has nice range and lets you focus on other things happening because you don't need to aim it

For me on mkb at least

[trail summit]

Is there a deflect upgrade for special because that would be op

[lucid oar]

Yeah there is

All gods have one boon each that affects attack, special, cast, dash and call.

These are called core boons

[edgy mauve]

hera doesnt do too great with stygian

[cunning urchin]

Most players do neither speedruns nor very high heats. Chiron is very easy to play.

[stiff jackal]

I can't fight Chiron
He's too strong

[strange lark]

well dont get hit by him

[sweet blade]

are you invulnerable while deflecting?

[sweet blade]

That#s basically it. Huge damage, but his attacks are all super telegraphed

[acoustic vale]

How many poms on flood flare is too many?

[sterile fiber]

What's the base damage and rarity

[sweet blade]

you appear to be under the misconception that there's a thing as too many poms

[acoustic vale]

Okay, how many poms into flood flare before I reach the point where the diminishing returns means it would be better used on something else? It's epic level if that helps

[edgy mauve]

generally when the pom seems to be doing literally nothing anymore

probably find something to pom

[lucid oar]

7 or 8

Basically, don't stop pomming flood flare

[acoustic vale]

Good to know, I'm on 4 levels in tartarus and I was a bit worried

[solar dawn]

Rookie numbers

[edgy mauve]

very very very rookie numbers

[acoustic vale]

Update: Up to 6

[sterile fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/876511616139673620/unknown.png

assuming same pom scaling as flood shot

[acoustic vale]

There's this sick part of me that really wants to sell Positive Outlook, and not pick up boons, and just pom blossom flood flare to the moon but I know for a fact that that is NOT a good idea and I shouldn't do it it's not worth it

[sterile fiber]

but memes

[slim ice]

When I was doing a Lucifer Dionysus build

I had like 114 dps from hangover

[strange lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/841320678531268618/Screenshot_220.png

[acoustic vale]

Jesus

[slim ice]

[strange lark]

Big hangover

[fading panther]

God? Jesus?

[acoustic vale]

I'd do the meme posideon, but I don't think I have what it takes to beat em4 hades with memes quite yet

[solar dawn]

The call literally nerfs your damage holy

[slim ice]

I had sweet surrender and aphro/dio duo

Hangover one

[strange lark]

Yeah

I didn't use it tho

I only took the extra dio boons for premium vintage

But I didn't get it

[solar dawn]

Did you try harder to get it?

[slim ice]

And rare crops

[cunning urchin]

No. But deflected attacks cannot harm you. Holy Shield gives you brief invulnerability in addition to the deflect, and Athena's Aid also gives you invulnerability for its duration.

The invulnerability from Holy Shield is shorter than the deflect duration.

[turbid needle]

alright so i've been playing the game for a while but i'm still confused about the god's aid mechanics - does it charge up based on the number of attacks you make or the damage you deal?

[strange lark]

i think it charges up based on the number of attacks

[turbid needle]

alright, that clears it up, thanks

[worthy dagger]

what is the blade rift build

[proper furnace]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

From @ cgull (explanation by nyaanya) about god gauge

[turbid needle]

thanks

[cunning urchin]

The findings are from cgull.

I just explained it.

[proper furnace]

ah

[slim ice]

I have a question

Does holy shield stacks with broken spearpoint?

[misty sun]

Where is the option to remap?

[edgy mauve]

u mean will they activate as the same time?

not sure

[fading panther]

Settings -> Controls

[slim ice]

No, will the duration extend

[acoustic vale]

Does piercing wave apply attack/dash strike boons?

[strange lark]

no

[proper furnace]

would maim (i think thats called) affect summon damage? similar to sweet surrender

[edgy mauve]

yeah it does

[strange lark]

IT DOES

[proper furnace]

TY

[slim ice]

Holup

Does achilles affect summon damage?

Because

[strange lark]

no

[slim ice]

Imagine

[proper furnace]

i think is only "enemy takes more damage" effects

[slim ice]

Oh right achilles only affects attack special and cast

[proper furnace]

speaking of summon damage, time to try and make than summon do the most possible damage

[worthy dagger]

could i do a poseidon dash run

with rupture

[proper furnace]

if you get his t2 boons you def can

gilgamesh poseidon dash only is a thing after all

[slim ice]

Waaaaaaaaait how about hades aspect

[strange lark]

no

[slim ice]

cries

[strange lark]

it makes enemies take extra damage from your attack and special

[proper furnace]

is priviliged status a "do more damage" or a "enemy takes more damage"? i forgot

[mild raft]

do more damage

which is honestly missed potential but w/e

[proper furnace]

rip

[slim ice]

Maim works with summon

But it's only +30% dmg iirc

[strange lark]

25%

[proper furnace]

there is also its hammer iirc? another +25%

[strange lark]

yeah

and enemies move 30% slower

[worthy dagger]

just rolled and smoked hades like a blunt

[slim ice]

Oof

Anyway

[worthy dagger]

heartbreak flourish triple bomb op

[slim ice]

How about talos?

[strange lark]

no

it makes enemies take extra damage from your cast and attack

[mild raft]

Talos says specifically attack and cast

The aspects say what they buff

[slim ice]

So only maim

[mild raft]

Rama's Shared Suffering only affects your attack damage on an enemy, Nemesis only affects your attack, Eris only affects everything etc etc

Maim and sweet surrender

[proper furnace]

heroic sweet surrender at lvl 7 was a 39% boost to meg, did 3309
almost than base damage

[hoary slate]

Targetting System should work

[proper furnace]

thats 30% right?

[hoary slate]

iirc yes

[proper furnace]

i forgot to clip meg damage

[slim ice]

So eris batty sweet surrender and targeting system

[edgy mauve]

eris doesnt affect meg summons

[mild raft]

Eris only affects everything Zag does

[proper furnace]

maim should still be better assuming you get the hammer

[mild raft]

Yea it would be

[slim ice]

Maim with that hammer batty sweet surrender

[hoary slate]

Mort has more damage than Battie though.

[slim ice]

Gilgamesh aspect technically is very similar to guan yu

[edgy mauve]

how?

[proper furnace]

can summons crit?

[mild raft]

With Mark yea

[proper furnace]

so aphro start then artemis in aspho, this sounds fun

[mild raft]

Mort is fun cause you get to time it to bosses phasing and insta-gib them with big damage

[proper furnace]

i already see myself with than failing to hit lmao

[worthy dagger]

aspect of chiron build ?

[edgy mauve]

hangover on special works

[slim ice]

You last 50% less time

[mild raft]

Or miss entirely and waste your Than summon during EM4

[slim ice]

I mean

Guan yu is -50% health

[mild raft]

Start with Aprho on attack, get either Arty or Dio on special, go for the respective duo

[slim ice]

And Gilgamesh is +50% enemies damage

Same thing

[mild raft]

get relentless + concentrated for hammers if you can, otherwise Piercing works

[hoary slate]

Half Health would equal double damage though.

[proper furnace]

for dio also get all your poms into special

[mild raft]

Well yea hangover boons really want poms

[slim ice]

Oh

[mild raft]

cause it's like +1 for every level past the 2nd

[worthy dagger]

this is a special focus build right

if i get poms

[mild raft]

mostly yea

[proper furnace]

hangover best pom scaling

[strange lark]

Chiron is a castpect

[mild raft]

don't neglect your attack cause heartbreak strike gets like +20% from it's first pom or something crazy like that

[slim ice]

Lightning tho

[mild raft]

Nah that eventually has diminishing returns

hangover boons are always at least +1

[slim ice]

Btw can companions backstab?

[mild raft]

no

[slim ice]

Sad

[mild raft]

For a rule of thumb anything in your mirror only affects zag

[slim ice]

You could also get black shawl and exposed

[mild raft]

so fiery presence would also not work on summons

[proper furnace]

none of them uses attacks that could backstab even if you could use them anyways

[mild raft]

Well Antos

like theoretically

but it wouldn't anyways cause they have no backstab bonus

[acoustic vale]

After party really stronk

[hoary slate]

There was a bug once with nonsensical backstabs on summons from Exposed. Got fixed though.

[proper furnace]

that sounds fun
also i remember a clip of dusa summon doing stupid damage to zag once, was that a bug?

[hoary slate]

Haven't seen that one.

[mild raft]

Wait can the dusa summon get charmed in an Aphrodite trial?

[cunning urchin]

Must have been. I don't remember a bug like that.

[mild raft]

[worthy dagger]

uno you said artemis special right

[mild raft]

Yea

[worthy dagger]

okay

[mild raft]

or Dio but I think Arty is better

[cunning urchin]

Why would Lady Aphrodite need to Charm herself?

[proper furnace]

do chiron doom with dire misfortune

[mild raft]

Oh yea that's also a build I forgot about

Dire Misfortune Curse of Longing

[hoary slate]

Don't Pom that Artemis Special that much though.

[worthy dagger]

chiron attack pattern is AA > Q > AA > kite > repeat

right

[mild raft]

You basically tag big targets and special them, and kill smaller targets usually with just your attack

[worthy dagger]

oh wow

heroic heartbreak flourish

sadge

if only i was running lucifer

[quaint girder]

Any tips or builds for Aspect of Guan Yu would bê welcome.

[mild raft]

Deadly Flourish, pray for Charged Skewer

You could also do Heartbreak Flourish but crits scale off of Charged better and make boss fights better

[worthy dagger]

POG

i got heart rend

[mild raft]

There you go you got the gamer set up

[worthy dagger]

am i just looking for poms and hammers now

[mild raft]

You'll want some poms on your special but you don't need to go past like level 3

[worthy dagger]

you said relentless right

volley

[mild raft]

ye

[worthy dagger]

i just got clean kill, my atk and Q are lvl 3

if i get poms should i start leveling that

[mild raft]

I would avoid poms and go for more boons/health/money honestly

you're just gonna get more out of those

[worthy dagger]

jesus christ asphodel boss on bow is so annoying

er wait

not asphodel

elysium

[languid forum]

i wonder what the worst legendary boon is

[turbid needle]

Best boon for each weapon?

[edgy mauve]

see if u want a universal good boon for tidal dash

but the best boon for each weapon isnt an answerable question because it really really really depends

[turbid needle]

I’m a beginner and haven’t beat hades once in about 40 attempts

Idk wtf to do

[edgy mauve]

just keep praticing homie

practicing*

[turbid needle]

Practicing isn’t seeming to help

Its more of a stats based game then skill based if you get me

I think im heavily lacking knowledge

[edgy mauve]

ic

[turbid needle]

Just a surface level assessment

[proven osprey]

I think you're not "good" enough for Dad's fight and also lack knowledge to make a build work, right?

[turbid needle]

Correct

[proven osprey]

When I started the game, the first question I asked here was "how am I supposed to deal damage?"

[turbid needle]

Exactly

I get to the champs of elysium

[edgy mauve]

so ur problem is damage?

[turbid needle]

And the fight takes like, 15 minutes each time

[proven osprey]

This one is a difficulty spike for sure

Do you have any aspect you like more than the others?

[turbid needle]

I don’t have any aspects

[proven osprey]

ah

[turbid needle]

Like the first good tip I got was start with Athena boon and get the dash deflect

[proven osprey]

Ok so considering Zag aspects, I would go for the bow

[turbid needle]

That boon is amazing

[proven osprey]

yeah it helps a lot

[turbid needle]

Oh is aspect just a weapon

I have all the weapons

I just got the gun

[edgy mauve]

aspects are sub weapons

youll

[proven osprey]

Aspects are alternative forms of a given weapon that you unlock with titan blood

[edgy mauve]

what astaos said

[turbid needle]

Idek how to get titan blood

I used all mine 😦

I beat fury with all weapons

[proven osprey]

Then yeah you reach the limit for now

You need to snatch a win now

So, I'd go for Zag bow. Deadly strike or Heartbreak strike, as you prefer. One will need to hunter's mark that feels really for room clear. The other one provides weak and huge damage. I think deadly strike will help a bit more if you did not invest any blood in the aspect

Be sure to unlock the second dash and death defiances, the mirror of night is extremely powerful

[mild raft]

Investing all your blood into Zag bow is a good idea for a first aspect honestly

it's only 5 blood and you get like 15% base crit chance which is really good

[turbid needle]

Not even close to snagging my first win

Barely make it passed the second place

Just dealing 0 damage

[proven osprey]

oooh

You're fine then

Just play the game, you'll get over it

[mild raft]

The more you play the game the more you'll learn and the better you will be

[proven osprey]

honestly, no worries

I was quite the clown myself

[turbid needle]

Worried about burning out soon

Not progressing

[proven osprey]

The game starts off really hard

[lone jetty]

Even if you’re not getting to the end you’re still earning currencies/darkness/keys to pump into the mirror. Keep it at it, you’ll get there.

[proven osprey]

the mirror of night is the key

[turbid needle]

I need one more key

For the last slot

[proven osprey]

Be sure to max : Greater reflex, Death Defiance, Thick Skin to begin. Build up some health, and play a bit more

[turbid needle]

Why would I use anything but lucky tooth btw?

[proven osprey]

also be careful of the spoilers herer, we have #h1-for-new-players

[turbid needle]

There’s literally nothing even 5% as good lol

[edgy mauve]

uh

yes there is

its called evergreen acorn

negates 3-5 hits on bosses

[turbid needle]

I don’t have that

[proven osprey]

Any god keepsake to begin the run is better. You need to shape a build

[edgy mauve]

^

[turbid needle]

How do I do builds

[mild raft]

God Keepsakes help you format a build better and get stronger boons

[edgy mauve]

go find eurydice and give her juice

[turbid needle]

Ohhhh wait

[mild raft]

Like you start with Artemis's keepsake to get her attack

[turbid needle]

I do have that

[edgy mauve]

find boons that synergize

[turbid needle]

Ok, so you recommend Artemis to start?

For the attack boon?

[edgy mauve]

on zag bow?

[proven osprey]

For Zag bow in particular yeah

[mild raft]

On Zag bow yea

[edgy mauve]

it differs from aspect to aspect and weapon to weapon

[mild raft]

Artemis attack is good for single hit large base damage weapons

[edgy mauve]

but for zag bow artemis attack start is good

[turbid needle]

What is Zag bow

[edgy mauve]

zagreus bow

[mild raft]

But for something like the rail or fists you might want to start with zeus attack

[lone jetty]

The bow

[proven osprey]

Bow, aspect of zagreus (the basic one)

[mild raft]

Aspect of Zagreus on the bow

[turbid needle]

Ok

Cool

[mild raft]

once you unlock every weapon you get aspects for each of them, every weapon has a Zagreus aspect that only takes 5 blood to max out

[turbid needle]

How can I get blood easily?

[edgy mauve]

no easy way to get blood

[languid forum]

does hazard bomb stack with triple bomb

[edgy mauve]

u can do trade ins

[edgy mauve]

no

[languid forum]

ok thanks

[edgy mauve]

but the best way is beating the game multiple times and advancing bounties

[mild raft]

You get blood by beating the furies with each weapon

initially anyways

Honestly tho when will SGG stop being cowards and let me combo Hazard bomb with Cluster bomb

[proven osprey]

Stack them up

embrace death

[mild raft]

It's the risk reward playstyle I live for

[proper furnace]

cluster hazard rockets when

[languid forum]

pog

[mild raft]

Anvilling into Hazard Clockets

I would literally be so happy

[proven osprey]

yeah

then you special and o7

[mild raft]

Wait that makes me think

do you think Hazard Rocket would have the same interaction that Cluster Rockets have but to zag?

Like the game would set the damage of the hazard rocket to 80 and Zag just instantly dies

[proper furnace]

i dont think so, but 5 crits would hurt

[mild raft]

Well that's the way Cluster Rockets work is in the game's code Cluster bomb reduces the base damage by 30% and then Rocket Bomb sets the base damage to 80 completely nullifying the 30% reduction

[turbid needle]

Yeah nah, I literally can’t beat this game

[mild raft]

so like would it make Hazard Bomb reduce the damage done to Zag by 90% and then Rocket bomb sets it to 80?

[solar dawn]

It wont, they have different numbers for self damage that take priority

[edgy mauve]

Uno ur thinking about this way too hard

[mild raft]

I'm just sayin

[edgy mauve]

i mean

[mild raft]

there's an unexplored potential behind hazard bomb that the devs are just too scared to unravel

so they make it not work with half the rail hammers

[edgy mauve]

hazard clockets and 80 per rocket

is 400

u would literally just die for using it

[mild raft]

yes

exactly

It's a small price to pay for 70% global damage

[full beacon]

Based

[edgy mauve]

if ur dead what damage u gonna do

[mild raft]

That's what DDs are for

[edgy mauve]

the damage of dying

[mild raft]

Simply get Athena DDs and buy them from Wells

also get Chaos DDs

[edgy mauve]

breh

[mild raft]

Max health doesn't matter you're not gonna survive it anyways

[edgy mauve]

3 hclockets can maybe phase dad?

can most likely absolutely obliterate dad

[mild raft]

Yea you'd need like 4 DDs going into dad in order to kill him with hazard clockets

[edgy mauve]

cause thats a DD a hclocket

[mild raft]

3 for the first phase 2 for the second phase

[edgy mauve]

and this is saying u dont miss one

[mild raft]

and then you die as you kill him

optimal

[edgy mauve]

that is optimal funny

[mild raft]

no wait actually this is why you run RR

then you just dodge it

[edgy mauve]

true

full dodge build

100% dodge

and u just dodge it

[mild raft]

Don't need god keepsakes if you just get the hammers

Hazard Bomb carry

[proper furnace]

you can probably use athena boon that makes you invincible longer to get a hit without wasting another dd

[edgy mauve]

yeah

true

[mild raft]

True true

[edgy mauve]

just get all 3 hammers in elysium

its fine

[mild raft]

Ok but also imagine if Anvil also existed in Elysium midshop

like wouldn't that be fun

[proper furnace]

this is so big theory craft for something that cant even occur lol

[edgy mauve]

yeah

lul

[cunning urchin]

At least +15% if you have Blood Frenzy.

[mild raft]

That's true we didn't even consider Blood Frenzy

and if you have Ares and Athena in your pool you might as well also go for ME

[edgy mauve]

T R U E

[mild raft]

This is literally the strongest build in all of Hades

it kills everything

including you

[cunning urchin]

[edgy mauve]

y e s

everyone will suffer

[proper furnace]

imagine theseus just blocking all of that tho

[acoustic vale]

Speaking of silly build ideas: I see no reason the arthur aphrodite tank build couldn't ALSO work with Gilgamesh

[mild raft]

I do

Maim

[proper furnace]

oh yeah i should try the biggest damage summon after

[acoustic vale]

I don't even USE maim 90% of the time NGL, I can't reliably trigger it because am bad at buttons

[ashen nebula]

Ugh, why are Asterius and the other guy so hard?

Theseus is so damn annoying.

[mild raft]

Shields suck

[ashen nebula]

He blocks like 75% of all your damage.

And whenever you focus on Asterius, he's hitting you in the back.

[mild raft]

You just gotta be patient with him

[strange lark]

Pro tip: don't hit his shield

[mild raft]

or kill him instantly

those are the only two options

[ashen nebula]

I'm focusing fire on his ass ASAP

starting next round at least

[terse thistle]

I just abuse my shadow slash… and throw everything at him… casts included

[mild raft]

I mean I usually focus Astereus first

[ashen nebula]

Don't know what that is/have that

[proper furnace]

wait for him to throw its spear then he will retreat, allowing you to hit him in the back
also you have a big target appearing on you when he is soon to throw its spear

so you can hide behind pillars

[terse thistle]

Casts are like tracking gems that hits enemies for damage and with boons they can have a variety of options

[mild raft]

Shadow Slash I assume is the backstab bonus from the mirror

[edgy mauve]

shadow slash is a sword hammer that works best on arthur

[acoustic vale]

Question: How does fiery presence interact with armor?

[strange lark]

It deals extra damage to the armor

But doesn't for the actual health

[acoustic vale]

I see. I get this feeling shadowy presence is better?

[edgy mauve]

no not really

[proper furnace]

il say it depends if you care about the backstab

[edgy mauve]

fiery really helps alot in tart

[proper furnace]

or how much you hate small enemies in tartarus

[acoustic vale]

Backstab seems helpful, but I can't actually tell you how helpful it is for me because I tunnel vision hard

[proper furnace]

if you are using rail for example the backstab is just gonna be lame, might as well get a strong boost to your special

[quaint girder]

I got the spin attack Hammer. Pro gamer move

[proper furnace]

spin builds can be fun

[quaint girder]

In this run im but a frail boi with a cool spear.

[ashen nebula]

Okay I just beat dad's first phase

my hands are sweaty and my pants are full

[edgy mauve]

but are ur knee's like moms spaghetti?

[boreal prism]

Tmi

[ashen nebula]

nope he got me

:(

i got him past half health though

[turbid needle]

Nice! Second phase is a ride, only just beat it myself. Discovered a cool thing by accident though, I was being greedy and didn't see the start up for his beam attack, turns out you can stand directly on him and it doesn't hit you? Idk if I glitched or something but I got some good damage from it. Didn't dare try it again

[errant narwhal]

yeah, thats correct

[languid forum]

if u give dad a hug when he does the big beams everywhere he doesnt hit u

[turbid needle]

Nice that's really cool. I'll definitely be abusing that moving forward, didn't want to risk losing to test it again though

[quaint girder]

Not sure If this os the right place tô ask this but, If i begin a run with Hermes' Keepsake and i switch in between levels, do i still get the buffs?

[strange lark]

No

[quaint girder]

Damn.

[proper furnace]

made that mistake once, i still hate it

[quaint girder]

I got the thing that buffs my attack range by 40% on Guan Yu lmao

This seems like a meme build and i Will commit tô It.

[acoustic vale]

Let's see if this arthur tank build will allow me to force my way through FO2 EM2

[worthy dagger]

RAMA ASPECT BUILD ?

[acoustic vale]

no

[worthy dagger]

nevermind my mouse is broke so im just going to abuse arthur

let me mirror ur build

what are u going

[acoustic vale]

Heartbreak strike, I just started this run lol

[worthy dagger]

aphro keepsake

right

[acoustic vale]

But that's the only requirement for this build so far in my experience. But it also helps to get things like bronze skin, life affirmation, different league, and after party

[worthy dagger]

so we want aphro/diony

should i get poms

[acoustic vale]

Pretty much yeah, athena also good because it's athena

[worthy dagger]

over health

[acoustic vale]

And yes, poms very good, put several into heartbreak strike

you start with 150 if you're using thick skin like you should, so it's not nearly so important in my experience to get hearts in tartarus

[worthy dagger]

oh crap wait

[fresh hornet]

yoo im stuck

how do i like make my weapon better

[mild raft]

one (1) single percentage increase attack boon (Not poseidon)

and 2 hammers

that is your build

[proper furnace]

dio/zeus/ares on special also helps

[ashen nebula]

i had the exploding spear hammer with artemis' crit and +damage to special

along with zeus' lightning strikes per dash, hermes triple dash and a handful of athena pom boosted damage reflect attack

also 200 or so health, came super close to beating dad's 2nd phase

had him below half

[delicate tusk]

Question: Does Nourished Soul interact with DD/SD?

[mild raft]

Don't think so

[delicate tusk]

Gonna purge that, then

Okay it didn't show up in the pool

Guess not, then

[mild raft]

you cannot purge it

Same with Premium Vintage

[delicate tusk]

DANGIT

That's sad

Right when I took all four levels of lasting, too

[celest horizon]

Hmm... Explosive Shot or Chain Shot?

[delicate tusk]

if this is spear like I remember, then Explosive is one of the best boons

[errant narwhal]

its bow, and explosive shot makes it pretty slow if you dont have the attack speed boost from hermes

i would take chain shot

[delicate tusk]

I have AWFUL memory apparently

[proper furnace]

Spear is exploding launcher

[turbid needle]

Yep 18 runs and I'm already at the last boss

Now I need a good build for my aspect of chaos aegis

[acoustic vale]

Question: The wiki claims the life threshold for Epic After Party is 45%, but when I find it the game says 50%. What's happening?

[turbid needle]

Idk follow the game I guess I think it's the update

[twin finch]

[turbid needle]

???

[twin finch]

FRICKIN HADES

[proven osprey]

Wiki is sometimes questionable

[twin finch]

Got the jelly man down to half health on his second phase,when I got grabbed by one of his green chamber pots and got hit with “the Microwave beam of the Sun”™️

Got fried

Got died

So I am mildly upsetti

[proven osprey]

F

[twin finch]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-pay-respects-press-f-gif-14764178

[turbid needle]

F

Hi guys

I got to his second phase and just destroyed him but his pots destroy

I have been playing hades for a few hours and I love it

So you are a new player?

But like I wanna know which weapon and build is good for high dps

[turbid needle]

Yeah I can’t beat bone hydra

Every weapon can have high dps if you know a good build what is your favorite weapon at the moment?

Mmm probably the fists but I like all of them

Hm well I can't help

I only have 18 runs in the game and I'm already at hades

[proven osprey]

Fist like either Ares and Athena duo or lightning strike

I would say just go Zeus. Pick Lightning strike, static discharge and more Zeus

[turbid needle]

Yeah that's more good

[proven osprey]

Zeus is easier to play than doom

But since we're talking about first runs, should not matter that much. Doom is strong on fists too, you want to pom it and you'll have a reliable source of damage

[turbid needle]

Alr thanks

Now that we are talking about builds I need a good build for aspect of chaos aegis

[digital bramble]

Builds/Focus around Aspect of Achilles?

Plus, some tips for the mirror

[proven osprey]

Zeus on special, more Zeus will work pretty well

[turbid needle]

Hmmmmmm maybe

[proven osprey]

Since the special is low base damage you want to either go Ares, doom or Dio on it

The aspect is not naturally fast

The best way to go fast is to get charged shot and deadly strike

[turbid needle]

Dio?

What

[proven osprey]

[turbid needle]

Ohhhhhhh

[proven osprey]

You can either hit the whole room or just shotgun enemies to apply all stacks at once

[turbid needle]

Sounds good maybe I will try it in my next run

[proven osprey]

Best hammer DPS wise is flurry jab. You can go deadly strike or lightning strike.
Popular casts are Dionysus, Ares (hunting blades duo) and Demeter (cristal clarity duo, with glacial glare that you want to pom as much as possible).
I'd recommend the latter, it's fun and strong although it requires a lot of boons

[digital bramble]

Thank you

[acoustic vale]

Fist advice: divine strike. Never get hit again

[lucid kelp]

Hi there, good build for guan yu aspect?

I already got it maxed but I need a strong build for it

[solar dawn]

Charged Skewer with arti/aphro special is good

[acoustic vale]

Don't

[solar dawn]

guan yu isnt bad

[acoustic vale]

Disagree

[solar dawn]

dont use the main attack with it, dash strike/spin/special

It essentially has built in exploding launcher, which is a really good hammer on the other aspects

You can stay pretty far back with it and just use the really strong special to delete everything

[lucid kelp]

I get Charged Skewer from hammer upgrade right?

[solar dawn]

yep

[native kayak]

I literally just started playing - like 5 mins ago

[solar dawn]

Arti special + aphro dash can be really good for heart rend on it too

[lucid kelp]

Ok thx

[native kayak]

any suggestions for a good shield build?

[solar dawn]

theres also a hammer that makes your spin charge faster, the spin has good damage and heals so its great too

[solar dawn]

You can go for aphrodite on attack and ares special

[native kayak]

ooooooh!

i will try that

[solar dawn]

Aphrodite has the highest % increases, and ares on special works well because you wont be using it super often so doom can proc every time

[native kayak]

ah!

[solar dawn]

for hammers, pulverizing blow (basic attack hits twice) is great,dashing wallop is good too,empowered flight and explosive return are also nice

although explosive return with ares special is a bit weaker since it wont scale

[native kayak]

im gonna try empowered flight

when i can

[solar dawn]

good luck!

dash strike a lot, it lets you hit a lot faster with shield

[proven osprey]

You'll get better results with explosive return

[toxic siren]

Guan yu gud, please staph.

Just don't get hit.

[acoustic vale]

I was going to, but now I want to keep doing it

[steel gorge]

which aspects should I unlock

I want to try something new but don't want to waste titan blood

[boreal prism]

Pick a weapon you like and get the good aspect from that weapon

Also the game autosaves only when you leave a room, so you can buy an aspect and test it out with skelly and if you don't like it, exit out of the game and go back in, and it'll be like you never bought it