h1-builds-and-combat

[edgy mauve]

well

[turbid needle]

dio is good w it

[edgy mauve]

thats always a highroll

for it to work u need a +1 cast from chaos btw

crystal clarity works well with stygian +1 cast

[turbid needle]

I think its completly fine casually tbh

up to prefernce

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[kind yew]

What's a good rama build and strat

[raw blade]

zeus on special and aphro or arte on the attack

use your attack like the special and special like the attack

lol

thats how i play it

[supple igloo]

burger

play it like a fox

[raw blade]

🥴

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike with either Hangover, Lightning, or Doom on Special. Hunter Dash, Tidal Dash, or Passion Dash.

That will give you a lot of damage.

[raw blade]

rama with hangover is bonkers

instant 5 stacks

[kind yew]

First mark everyone then attack?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, pretty much.

[rugged geyser]

Aspect of nemesis build?

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark.

And any Strike and Lunge boons you can get from Master Chaos.

[kind yew]

Hunter dash also pretty good

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Divine Dash is fine, too.

Just listed the most important pieces of the build.

Crits only really scale with Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, and Chaos boons.

And hammers, I guess.

So that's what you want to focus on in crit builds.

[rugged geyser]

I’m guessing the best hammer is the dash strike one

The combo goes special > dash > dash . Right?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Double Edge, yes.

[rugged geyser]

Just got my best ever time with it

15min

Also I just unlocked Rama

What’s the general playstyle with it and how should I build it

[turbid needle]

you just need to scroll a bit up

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — heute um 15:25 Uhr
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike with either Hangover, Lightning, or Doom on Special. Hunter Dash, Tidal Dash, or Passion Dash.
[15:26]
That will give you a lot of damage.

[rugged geyser]

How is the Rama hammer?

And what hammers are good on it in general

[strange lark]

triple/twin and point blank shot are the best hammers for rama

[lucid oar]

Repulse shot isnt good sadly

[rugged geyser]

And what chaos boons do you take on it

[strange lark]

dash strike and attack boons are the best

[rugged geyser]

This is pretty good

[raw blade]

triple shot on rama slaps

[rugged geyser]

Does not feel as good as hera but good nonetheless

My hammer sucked

I got the +4 arrows on special

[turbid needle]

that one is alright

if you have hangover, zeus or dem on special

[rugged geyser]

I got Zeus

[gloomy viper]

anyone know an aspect of eris build for the gun?

[proven osprey]

Yeah, classic build is Lightning strike, static discharge, tidal dash. Then more Zeus, breaking wave. Deadly flourish too, try to get cluster/rocket bomb

[gloomy viper]

alrighty thanks

rocket bomb third room mega pog

[proven osprey]

Nice

So now you want to stay even closer than usual to your enemies

Eris is a melee aspect in disguise

[gloomy viper]

lol

[rugged geyser]

What makes rocket bomb so good?

I see everyone taking it

[edgy mauve]

its a base of what 80 damage

[proven osprey]

Yeah

[edgy mauve]

thats really good

[gloomy viper]

i got triple bomb and cluster bomb in one hammer should i take cluster bomb?

[strange lark]

cluster

[gloomy viper]

alright

[edgy mauve]

iyeah take cluster

[raw blade]

i think cluster is the best hammer you can get for eris

[lucid oar]

I prefer rocket if it's on its own, but cluster makes rocket OP, and vice versa

[cunning urchin]

1.33x base damage, hits faster, and it's easier to aim. So you'll hit more often and 1.33x as hard when you do. And most importantly, if you have Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb, you get 80 base damage from Rocket Bomb and 5 rockets, but the –30% from Cluster Bomb won't apply to rockets. That's probably a bug, but it's very strong.

[lucid oar]

Even if the reduction didn't apply, it would still be the best probably

[cunning urchin]

Probably.

I like Cluster over Rocket, personally.

If it's just one.

[gloomy viper]

cluster is insane

like actually

[lucid oar]

I like delta

Like, a lot

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's good. Delta Chamber gives your Dash-Strikes i-frames. Another bug? Maybe.

[jovial fulcrum]

also, Rocket has an absurd interaction with Targeting System

[gloomy viper]

whats agame without a bit of bug abusing

[jovial fulcrum]

It just paints everything in the direction you're looking when you fire a bomb

[gloomy viper]

i have a heroic thunder flourish to go along with my rocket + cluster bomb

i can't see anything on the screen

[edgy mauve]

thunder flourish on clockets seems like a waste tbh

[lucid oar]

Yeah you'd be wanting a % bonus like Artemis or aphrodite to get the most DPS

But I've had PBs with drunken flourish clockets

[gloomy viper]

i haven't seen a single artemis or aphro this whole run and im in styx

[lucid oar]

Athena, Demeter and poseidon would have been okay

[edgy mauve]

jeez what does this game do to you

like CoP isnt very good on eris or zeus

[lucid oar]

Well my god pool was Zeus Ares Poseidon Dionysus, and Poseidon never offered the special

[edgy mauve]

damn

[gloomy viper]

i saw 0 athena this run too

idk if my luck is just extra bad or smth

[lucid oar]

You can only naturally have 4 gods in each run, not including Hermes or chaos

[gloomy viper]

oh really?

[lucid oar]

There are some situations where you can get more, like if you use a keepsake

[cunning urchin]

Rooms > builds.

[lucid oar]

Or if you have 3 gods already, buy a boon in the shop from a new god and the next reward is a boon from another new god

[gloomy viper]

i see

[humble trail]

Guys, does parting shot bonus work like rush deliveries? Does it stack with chaos backstab boons?

I really can't figure where the damage comes from as I use Charon hour glass and I got like 4 braid of atlas

[edgy mauve]

yeah

[sterile fiber]

turns out if you pop Antos after taking out the last enemy in trove trials, both Achilles and Pat would target Zag.

[edgy mauve]

does zag get friendly fired?

[humble trail]

Sounds like pretty serious bug

[sterile fiber]

didn't stand still enough to find out. would try next time

[edgy mauve]

its not that bad if zag doesnt get hurt for it

but if zag gets hurt for it then it would be a problem

[sterile fiber]

if Zag doesn't take damage it's not a big deal, besides wasting a charge

[humble trail]

Got it thank youu

[sterile fiber]

forgot that my stimmy button was the summon button LOL

[gloomy viper]

wait i just unlocked aegis hidden aspect without even meaning to lmao

[cunning urchin]

It's not a bug. It's just designed to center on Zagreus when there are no other valid targets.

Meg does the same thing.

[sterile fiber]

I think ideally it should just not work when there are no more enemies due to appear in that room, kind of like if you try using it in the courtyard

[cunning urchin]

You can't summon them after the reward drops.

Kind of on you to waste the summon, I dunno.

[sterile fiber]

what button does everyone else use for companions, though

[lucid oar]

R3

[strange lark]

i use left shift

[lucid oar]

I swapped summon and reload

[errant narwhal]

i just use the default button, which is 1

[sterile fiber]

cries in controller

[errant narwhal]

sometimes i used to stream the game to friends on discord with push to talk and press the summon button accidentally because ` is my push to talk key... right next to 1

now i use voice activity lol. no more accidental summon

[sterile fiber]

Mmm yeah

I use left joystick press but it's also my "mash while waiting to pass the time" button

[next moss]

soooo im trying to climb gilgamesh (my overall level is 20 heat)

do i just go full meme dash? i dont see anything else really

[cunning urchin]

L2 for summon. L1 for Reload.

R3 for codex.

[lucid oar]

I don't have codex binded

I had to go to settings to bind it in one of my VODs haha

[cunning urchin]

Default buttons are fine except Reload is honestly bad where it is.

[rugged geyser]

I have default buttons except r1 for reload and down arrow for codex

[proper furnace]

I switched reload to L1 special to L2, summon to where special was and codex on R3

[humble trail]

My summons on Y. My trigger button didn't work on hades, dunno why

[rugged geyser]

Finnaly got beo

Excited to try this

[humble trail]

Beowulf is good.

[rugged geyser]

I’ve heard

All Ik is to run trippy shot cause mirage shot does 100% with it

What else do I run with it?

[humble trail]

I don't even know that lol. Trippys powerful but I kinda hate waiting the blood to drop

[rugged geyser]

Oh it’s so slow to use

[humble trail]

We could bump the drop with hermes's boon tho

I usually just use poseidons or aphro.

[rugged geyser]

What about attack/special?

[strange lark]

Artemis attack, Poseidon special if you are using trippy or passion flare, and flood/passion flare

Trippy flare works as well but you need stygian soul with it

[rugged geyser]

I’ll try aphro cast build first

So does upgrading beo increase the damage of the rush itself, the cast or both?

[lucid oar]

Mirage shot deals 100% damage for all flares, not just trippy flare. So thats every cast on Beowulf, and Dionysus cast on hera

[strange lark]

It increases the damage of the rush

[lucid oar]

The benefit of beowulf isn't that it gives you cast damage, it's that it gives you huge AOE and quick casts

But it does loads of damage anyway because of mirage shot

[rugged geyser]

Best hammers for beo?

[jovial fulcrum]

Charged Shot and ???

[proper furnace]

Faster charge but no knockback ig? Idk how its called

[jovial fulcrum]

Sudden Rush makes the rush charge faster, but i don't recall it removing the knockback

i haven't played in a criminal amount of time though

[sterile fiber]

it doesn't, iirc

the one that removes the knockback affects regular attack

[edgy mauve]

pulv blow

[sterile fiber]

^ there

[edgy mauve]

ur attack hits twice but does not knockback

its not good on beo

it doesnt affect the rush

[lucid oar]

Pulverising blow is top 2 on zag shield, and does nothing on the other aspects

[proper furnace]

I wonder why i thought it removed the knockback

[gloomy viper]

build of aspect of gilgamesh?

[rugged geyser]

Good lord beo op

I was doing 4k per rush

I think I’ll stop taking lucky tooth into hades

But then idk what to take

[gloomy viper]

acorn

[sterile fiber]

hourglass, sigil, uh acorn?

[strange lark]

You should take hourglass if there is something good in the well

[rugged geyser]

Fiery precense on beo right?

[rugged geyser]

Yeah but last run there was nothing good in the well and my build was complete

[sterile fiber]

do pom once, for the special line

[lucid oar]

Yes

[sterile fiber]

if not then acorn yeah. if you're confident on surviving and don't have plans for call, then sigil

[rugged geyser]

Special line?

[sterile fiber]

Hades comments on the pom blossom the first time you wear it to fight him (unless a story line takes precedence)

[sweet hornet]

I feel like I run into hitbox issues with crush shot a lot, am I missing something?

especially around walls/corners

[mighty ermine]

Not just you; crush shot is weird sometimes

[languid forum]

which aspect is the best to try a boonless run with

[edgy mauve]

h e s t i a

[languid forum]

which one is that again

oh empowered

[edgy mauve]

yeah

[languid forum]

what build with hestia tho

zap?

[edgy mauve]

its boonless

[languid forum]

oh

oh yea

[edgy mauve]

shackle

[languid forum]

whyd i say that

[edgy mauve]

and even then hestia doesnt go zap

[languid forum]

artemis attack?

[edgy mauve]

yeah

heartbreak or arty attack

u can arty or heartbreak special i believe is the build

[languid forum]

ah ty

if u had pressure points and that one duo boon where stacks of hangover make enemies more likely to take critical damage

would that apply with pressure points

[edgy mauve]

pressure points make everything crit iirc

[languid forum]

yea

[edgy mauve]

so hangover is going crit with just pressure points

[languid forum]

any admage you deal has a chance to be crit

nice

on rama i had the choice between premium vintage and that dio/arte duo boon

wait not premium vintage

thing

nvm

[jovial fulcrum]

my favorite is when traps crit enemies with Marked debuff

i think Than can crit marked enemies too, but I've never seen it

[turbid needle]

doesn't than always insta kill?

[proper furnace]

Yeah i've seen than crit

Somewhere around 17k damage

[turbid needle]

that's a lot of damage

[humble trail]

So I've seen some video with the shackle no boon run. Are chaos and daedalus count?

[untold vortex]

Chaos counts, daedalus does not

[humble trail]

Does it have heat requirement? I'm trying on 16, boy it's hard and long battle

[untold vortex]

Nope, no heat requirement

[graceful pagoda]

Any recommendations on what boons is good for guan yu's special?

[edgy mauve]

high damges or just ME

for example arty/aphro special is good

if ur putting arty on special might as well go for heart rend and put aphro on attack

[graceful pagoda]

Aight I'll try that

Athena in attack and aphro for dash is quite good aswell no?

For both duos to arte

[edgy mauve]

eh

i mean its probably fine

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish with Deadly Strike is way better than Deadly Flourish with Heartbreak Strike for Guan Yu.

[proven osprey]

Not really a fan of heart rend on Guan Yu

Hard to get everyone weakened

It's fine on bosses but you don't crit consistently either so

[silk hearth]

with serrated u should be more consistent but u dont get it every run :(

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish applies Weak very easily for Deadly Strike Dash-Strikes. But Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike doesn't combo very well.

[proven osprey]

Yeah a bit better with serrated

Without it though, you don't really care about critting on dash strike

And even with serrated it's weaker than charged skewer

I love critting with the special but yeah, hunter's mark is enough on its own

[next moss]

Empty Inside being pommable might be the most annoying thing

pom blossom hit it twice 👍

also thanks for the tips the other day Astaos, i got a few wins on guan yu

[maiden haven]

Wait, you can pom Empty Inside?!

[cunning urchin]

You can.

And you can't pom Arctic Blast or Killing Freeze.

[maiden haven]

Well, that's just weird

[cunning urchin]

How to make Lady Demeter boons do more damage: you don't.

[maiden haven]

🇫 for grandma

[cunning urchin]

She only scales with rarity, really.

[maiden haven]

[cunning urchin]

So Rare Crop makes sense to take in Lady Demeter builds.

Well, with rarity and her own boons.

[maiden haven]

The Decay one would be nice if it could be pommed

Stack it with Hangover

[cunning urchin]

And if you take Rare Crop, you're not taking another boon from her that maybe would add more damage...

Killing Freeze is decent either way.

It's just... you can't make it do more damage.

Nail of Talos can help a lot in normal encounters because the bonus damage to armor is global.

[kind yew]

Is there a max level for boons?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[proven osprey]

[acoustic vale]

Well, there's the theoretical limit of whatever method the game stores numbers in, but in today's age I'm pretty sure that's in the billions and the runs won't last anywhere long enough for overflows and what have you

[edgy mauve]

just get sweet nectar multiple times kekw

[cunning urchin]

The theoretical limit is much lower than that because there's a limited number of poms you can get in a run.

Because you're gonna run out of rooms, eventually.

[long escarp]

What’s the best Zeus shield build for 24-32 heat?

[sacred pebble]

Zeus special

That’s basically it

Go for the usual Zeus boons like jolted

[supple igloo]

ME works too

[sacred pebble]

Wait what

[long escarp]

Alright cool thx

[supple igloo]

and it dont matter which way the the athena or ares is

its quirky like that

[sacred pebble]

Zeus is much easier to set up though

[strange lark]

yeah ME works

[supple igloo]

yeah

I was jus sayin

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy viper]

what boon should i use for my regular attack for aspect of chiron?

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, ideally.

Comboes very well with Deadly Flourish and Drunken Flourish.

[gloomy viper]

alrighty thanks

[languid forum]

i know u guys probs get asked thsi a long

but what should i put for beowulf

whihc cast

[boreal prism]

I always just run dio cast

And with that one you have to remember to use stygian soul instead of the other one

[languid forum]

im running infernal soul with flood flare

did i do an oopsie

[cunning urchin]

The most popular Infernal Soul casts for Beowulf are Passion Flare and Flood Flare. Trippy Flare is also somewhat popular and is the only Cast that's typically used with Stygian Soul. For Trippy Flare, it's especially important to get +1 ammo from Master Chaos or from Wells of Charon because 1 Cast is kinda eh, even if the damage is high.

[languid forum]

i see

thanks

[cunning urchin]

Beyond that, I wrote a general guide for Cast builds here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[lucid pagoda]

just got a 19'60'00 run

wtf

[cunning urchin]

Note that Mirage Shot does 100% damage when the Cast is a "Flare" (so all the Casts for Beowulf). That's probably a bug, but it makes Mirage Shot a lot stronger on Beowulf than in other Cast builds.

That can happen sometimes lol.

[gloomy viper]

im at Elysium and i have 9 boons in total, the highest level been a level 2

please send help

[languid forum]

we should pin some of these guides

they're really helpful

[cunning urchin]

I think the devs don't generally like that too much because it encourages a right way/wrong way to play culture. Kinda like "oh this one is right because this is what the devs pinned, and if you don't play like this it's wrong."

[languid forum]

ohh i see

[cunning urchin]

Which I agree with, personally.

There's already quite a bit of "your build is not what people do in speedruns, so it sucks" and "your aspect is not good in speedruns, so it sucks, why are you playing that?"

[rugged geyser]

Achilles spear build?

Also should you always spam the rush to keep extra damage?

[gloomy viper]

twin shot or chain shot for rama?

[turbid needle]

twin

[boreal prism]

Definitely twin

[gloomy viper]

ok

[languid forum]

chain shot is depressing on rama

[rugged geyser]

Blizzard shot is super strong

Got one of my fasted hades kills with it

Somehow got 5 Duo boons

I also got mirage shot and 4 casts

[sterile fiber]

if I start a run with a non-god keepsake and the first boon is a god boon, then I give up and pick another god's keepsake to start, with the previous god be guaranteed in the god pool?

[solar dawn]

@shy minnow not sure if talking about that fight even with spoiler tags is allowed there so I'll ask here, do you want general tips or are you struggling with some part of it?

[shy minnow]

general tips would be fine

[kind yew]

Hug dad when dad goes pew pew

[boreal prism]

If you get hit with a skull, you take wayy more damage, so stay far far away until the skull falls out

[shy minnow]

what does that mean

[boreal prism]

Use acorn instead of tooth in styx

[solar dawn]

keeping some distance from him is very helpful cuz a lot of his moves are either quick or big and take time to learn to read

[solar dawn]

his laser move has a dead zone right in his face

[kind yew]

^

[solar dawn]

bit risky with some weapons, if you're not comfortable controlling it in a very small area just hiding is better

[shy minnow]

ok

[kind yew]

Also use the rocks

[solar dawn]

ye he kinda sucks at pathfinding around them sometimes, and will try to shoot skulls at you through them

gives you a short breather

[shy minnow]

ty for the tips

[solar dawn]

gl

you got this

[lone jetty]

Yeah hugging the rocks is your friend. You move around them way better than he does and dashing across them is easy laser cover

[sterile fiber]

hooooo boy just had my first Tight Deadline timeout experience at Champions. Didn't actually die thanks to Lady Athena's bonus DD but I was basically screaming at Theseus to Hurry Up with his call animation, then basically stood on top of him to get him down before the call ended

[lone jetty]

Nice! Health is time!

[shy minnow]

ty for the advice i did it! i beat hades!

[boreal prism]

👏

[lone jetty]

You want the boost up a lot. It’s a little weird you must do 4 attacks or casts to “use up” the buff before you can refresh it with another special. You can’t like special, attack twice, special, and expect 4 more boosted attacks. So personally I special frequently but I don’t feel the need to be anal about it.

I used to run privileged status to keep up the rhythm. Special, one status. Backstab attack, there’s the other status. Unload three bloodstones for 190% damage boost on the casts. They’re probably dead now. Repeat.

[acoustic vale]

I noticed that too. He's really not very good at aiming

[full beacon]

Guess it happens when you spend all day writing.

[solar dawn]

Does zeus on chiron special proc on every arrow?

[slim ice]

Yes

On chiron every special arrow is an individual projectile

[edgy mauve]

does it

but

lightning has an internal cooldown of 0.2s

[solar dawn]

Started a run with it rn, seems it does

or at least pretty often

[slim ice]

Dio works too

[solar dawn]

It hits like 2-3 times per volley if the tracking does the circle thing

[slim ice]

Me with Lucifer aspect: nani

[edgy mauve]

yeah it does

[slim ice]

I think it doesn't

But ok

[edgy mauve]

no it does

we have 100% confirmed that lightning has a 0.2s internal cooldown

[solar dawn]

Wiki says it too

although it doesnt say the normal attack has it

[lucid oar]

It does 1-2 bolts per volley. It's not awful if you get more Zeus, but generally deadly flourish will be better

[edgy mauve]

yeah

[lucid oar]

The normal attack cooldown is 0.15s

[solar dawn]

yep, thought it might be really good but didnt know about the cooldown, although its holding up pretty decently so far

[slim ice]

Interesting

[edgy mauve]

zeus on chiron isnt better than like deadly flourish or hangover on chiron

[slim ice]

Zeus is pretty good on malphon

Zeus' legendary is very nice

[solar dawn]

so would the legendary follow the same rules? Like would each arrow in the volley proc splitting?

[lucid oar]

Splitting bolt has a 0.2s cooldown

[solar dawn]

ah ok

tysm

[humble trail]

So what does it mean? The full chron spell will probably only trigger like 2/3 jolt damage?

*chiron

Special. Sorry lol

[edgy mauve]

assuming multiple arrows hit within the lightning internal cooldown not all of them are proccing lightning

but i dont know chiron special travel time though so LOL

[humble trail]

The game move kinda too fast for me to observe which boon does what

[proven osprey]

Thunder flourish will proc 3 times on Chiron

You can get one more if you do a weird positioning to increase the travel time

Maybe it's two times actually, I don't recall correctly

[cunning urchin]

It's two times.

[acoustic vale]

Question: After the god keepsake forces the god to appear, does the increasing of rarity still apply to any of that god's other boons that spawn naturally

[lucid oar]

Yes, until you take the keepsake off

[acoustic vale]

neat

[mellow wing]

Guys is the Duo Boon Mirage Shot worth it

[solar dawn]

||didnt mean to send the kek||Mirage shot isnt bad, if you cast a lot Id take it

[hearty fractal]

I have not played this game in... ages

looking for a build on 5-ish heat

I've forgotten everything

[lucid oar]

Someone could say that you're a little... Rusty

What weapon are you looking for a build on?

[hearty fractal]

🥁 🥁 :cymbal:

[hearty fractal]

I remember Aspect of Chiron being good

[lucid oar]

Well, you could go Dio special, aphro attack and the duo

Pom the special a ton

[hearty fractal]

sounds good

what kind of mirror should I use?

I think I messed up my mirror loadout

for the achievement

[lucid oar]

Probably all red until dark foresight then the rest green

[hearty fractal]

so dio keepsake for tartarus, aphro keepsake for asphodel?

[lucid oar]

Yes

If you see aphro in Tartarus as well, you could force Ares to get curse of nausea

[hearty fractal]

hammers?

I have sniper, triple and flurry shot as choices

[lucid oar]

Triple

[hearty fractal]

I got aphro in tartarus ayy

[lucid oar]

Concentrated volley is the best hammer on Chiron by a lot, but triple is always good

[raw blade]

nice

[hearty fractal]

got aphro attack

and the duo boon

do I take that, or wait for the curse of nausea

eh, its on the fated list I'll grab ir

[rugged geyser]

If you are using a cast build I’d say it’s the most important high tier boon

[willow sage]

Yo so I had a question, if I have 2 boons of Ares one with doom on special and other with doom on attack, which doom gets triggered? the one with higher damage or the one that was applied later?

[turbid needle]

the latest one u apply

same for hangover

[willow sage]

man thats bs

so ur saying my runs have been getting scammed all along

ok what if i have 4 stacks of low dmg hangover

does the 5th stack take over all previos 4 stacks?

if its higher in dmg

[gloomy viper]

im using explosive shot on aspect of rama and by god is it slow

but i did like a quarter of asterius' health with one shot so yea

[boreal prism]

The newest hangover dmg takes over no matter what

Even if its lower in dmg

With ares and dio, it's best to not have more than one source

[turbid needle]

yeah just use one source of status

most likely more optimal anyway if you have 2 seperate dmg sources

[cunning urchin]

Isn't it only the first Doom that you apply?

[turbid needle]

now im not sure

[bronze marten]

Any tips on how to Beowulf? Cannot get a feel for this thing

[boreal prism]

some casts are way better than others withit

and it's an aspect that likes blood

tidal flare or passion flare with infernal soul, or trippy flare with stygian soul

[lucid oar]

Dash strike into bullrushing helps

Makes it feel less clunky

[bronze marten]

I’m maxed out, 32 heat all that jazz

just can’t seem to make it work

Will try dash strike tho

[lost cargo]

does blood frenzy stack during a fight

[lone jetty]

Nope

[lost cargo]

that sucks

!

[scarlet ingot]

Speaking of blood frenzy it does work on boss right?

Or does it not

Choosing between black metal and blood frenzy in styx rn and while black metal is good for styx im wondering if i should take blood frenzy if i works on dad

Ok maybe ill get black metal anyways just for dealing with enemies around dad

Nvm!

[edgy mauve]

blood frenzy works if u take a death defiance

no reason for it to not work on dad

[scarlet ingot]

Aight thanks i was just wondering

I didnt even use a dd so ig it was useless

[languid forum]

which aspects want blood

[raw blade]

wdym

every aspect needs blood

[proven osprey]

It's a bit better to ask the other way around, some aspects don't rely on blood that much

Like Arthur, Hera with non lodging casts

You'll really want to max some of them though, like Guan Yu

[acoustic vale]

Guan Yu kinda trash imo, don't bother with it

[silk hearth]

noo

[lucid oar]

Guan Yu is powerful

[silk hearth]

im crying :((

[lucid oar]

The special is good

[acoustic vale]

Downsides too harsh for the healing it provides. Especially since iirc it's downsides also nerf its own healing

[lucid oar]

I barely use the spin apart from in between waves

[acoustic vale]

...then what's the point of using the aspect? Is there some other upside I'm missing

[lucid oar]

The special is really good

And dash strikes

[cunning urchin]

You get essentially an Exploding Launcher that pierces, with very wide AOE.

And you can get Charged Skewer on that very reliably.

[acoustic vale]

Oh yeah guan Yu is the fire work thing isn't it?

[cunning urchin]

Charged Skewer + Exploding Launcher is one of the very best combos you can get on spear, and Guan Yu can get a version of that that is better and can more easily acquire it... because you only need one hammer.

[acoustic vale]

Still feel like it shouldn't nerf its own healing though tbh.

[cunning urchin]

I don't know what you mean by that.

[lucid oar]

There is no way to know if the aspect nerfs it's own healing

[cunning urchin]

The spin heals for 1 HP per hit.

[acoustic vale]

...unless I just misread the weapon, it lists more than that on the aspect thingy.

[cunning urchin]

There is. We know that lifesteal is unaffected by any modifiers.

[lucid oar]

And it bypasses lasting consequences

It heals 2HP for a full charged spin I believe

[cunning urchin]

No.

2 HP per hit is Cursed Slash.

You must have just misread.

[acoustic vale]

Question: is Beowulf rush thing intended to not increase in damage as you charge it?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[acoustic vale]

Weird

[rugged geyser]

You shouldn’t be fully charging it anyways

Dash strike into charge then release ASAP

[turbid needle]

wait i'm also 99% sure it heals for 2HP per hit

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[slim ice]

Guan yu heals for charged attack wait what

[proven osprey]

Yeah, after a basic attack or dash strike (better), you can hold attack to unleash a spin that heals

[slim ice]

Noice I thought it was completely useless aspect

Wiki says 1hp

Ain't much

But still

If you're not going for a speedrun

It's good

[proven osprey]

lmao

[cinder mist]

The damage increase from ranks in Beowulf: is it just for the actual damage of the charge itself, or for the casts as well?

[lucid oar]

Just the charge

If it was the casts as well, it would be even more powerful than it already is

[cinder mist]

Yeah heh, was thinking that'd be a bit wild. Cheers!

What about the AoE of the casts? Is that increased?

[turbid needle]

no, i think it’s just the aoe of the dragon rush

[little vault]

I’m trying to get under 12 minutes on bow but I’m having difficulty

I’m using Hera, I think my builds are ok but I guess I’m not sire how to go fast on bow, any advice

[cunning urchin]

@little vault start here, I suppose. #h1-discussion message

Beyond that, it's probably just practice, making sure you become better at gauging damage breakpoints, so you don't load too many or too few Casts to kill enemies.

Understanding room layouts and spawn manipulations, etc. will help, too.

Making sure you have Meg setups down.

[little vault]

Thanks!

[cunning urchin]

Right now if it's just getting sub 12, the most important things are probably just getting better at optimizing your builds and practice, practice, practice.

I also wrote a more general Cast Build Guide that might have some insights that can help. #h1-builds-and-combat message

[little vault]

Thank you!

[languid forum]

i had the most beautiful chiron setup

i got heart rend in tartarus

it was going perfectly

i got swift flourish

and then i got to hades with like one death defy bc of FO2 in elysium

[cunning urchin]

FO2 will take some practice.

[languid forum]

it's hard

especially with bow for me

[cunning urchin]

Keep in mind that you can run away and engage enemies from near fullscreen with Chiron.

[languid forum]

o

thanks ill keep it in mind next time

[sterile fiber]

its happened.
AP2 Eris picked Hazard Bomb

[cunning urchin]

If you're doing a crit build with Deadly Flourish, make sure to prioritize Chaos Gates for their Flourish boons. Reroll if necessary, check Wells for Lights of Ixion, take the Cosmic Egg if you already have Deadly Flourish and see a Light of Ixion in the Well between biomes.

Gods' Pride for better Master Chaos boons.

And look for Chimaera Jerkies late in Tartarus and onwards.

Hourglass + Chimaera Jerkies can be very strong in Asphodel.

Crits only really scale with Chaos boons, Jerkies, Hunter's Mark, and Heart Rend.

• hammers, of course.

So that's what you want to focus on.

Poms can be alright but don't really matter very much.

Tidal Dash is great for speed, especially if you get Breaking Wave on it.

And make sure you get a Call on Chiron. It builds god gauge very fast, so you want to make use of that.

[lucid oar]

Concentrated volley makes a huge difference. Relentless volley is meh on its own, but great with concentrated.

[cunning urchin]

Hazard Bomb is great on Eris. Congratulations!

Relentless Volley is 1.5x damage. That's not meh, I wouldn't say.

And reduces Volley damage variance in a crit build.

And procs Hunter's Mark more reliably.

[lucid oar]

The special animation takes way longer, compare that to concentrated volley which is over 2× damage

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it takes longer at all tbh.

[sterile fiber]

it synergized great with Unshakable Mettle

[cunning urchin]

You can actually i-frame your bomb and still get the bonus.

That works much better if you also have Delta Chamber, because Delta Chamber gives your Dash-Strikes i-frames.

Bug? Maybe.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sterile fiber]

yeah I figured

oh didn't know about delta chamber

welp, bonked by dad
rip meme

[cinder mist]

What's some good Aspect of Chaos builds? I can't quite get it to click

[lucid oar]

Me neither

But the best build would be something like thunder flourish, static discharge and more zeus

Explosive return or charged shot are good, with dashing flight being good with explosive return, and empowering flight being good with charged shot

[cinder mist]

Thank you

What's good for attack?

[cunning urchin]

@steady hatch has been doing a bunch of Chaos Aspect runs recently. Might be the best person to ask at the moment.

[steady hatch]

start zeus special and hope for explosive return

[cinder mist]

Coolio, thanks

[steady hatch]

unfortunately it's one of those weapons that doesn't get very strong very easily

[cinder mist]

Much to my disappointment 😦 I love the concept so was hoping there was some trick to it I wasn't seeing

[cunning urchin]

Can you edit the message and add "bablo's Chaos Aspect Guide, so I can link your guide for people who ask for help?

It's succinct.

[cinder mist]

I surprisingly found a pretty nice build for it to complement zeus now on this run I did

[cunning urchin]

Lord Zeus has a lot of good synergies, so it should be quite flexible.

[cinder mist]

Demeter with Cold Fusion gave me a very balanced setup, clearing every regular chamber quickly and safely while still having decent boss damage

Was actually one of the more fun builds I've played

[cunning urchin]

The fact that it doesn't get very strong very easily doesn't mean you can't get viable builds reliably.

bablo is looking for top-end builds for speedruns, after all. But you don't need top-end just to win and do decent.

[cinder mist]

Yeah obviously

I'm looking for comfortable rather than broken mainly

But Frost Strike + Thunder Flourish and Cold Fusion with high jolt damage actually made for one of the smoother runs I've had

So I was pleasantly surprised

[shy minnow]

the thing that gets me every time in the final boss fight are the waves that the little skull things send out

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air with a good Call is amazing, and with any Call is decent. Vengeful Mood can do a lot of work with Curse of Vengeance and Heaven's Vengeance. Lightning Rod is surprisingly good. Lightning Phalanx is one of the best Cast builds and a great supplement for damage in any build. Cold Fusion does a lot of work, as you've noticed, and Chill can make boss fights a lot easier, too. Scintillating Feast is also one of the best Casts, and can get silly if you also get Black Out. And Sea Storm procs on your Shield attack with- or without Tempest Strike.

Basically, all of his Duo Boons are really strong.

And his legendary is also crazy good.

And synergizes with a lot of his Duo Boons.

[cunning urchin]

You'll have to make sure you empty-dash through them. If you do a dash-strike, you don't get i-frames.

[cinder mist]

Oh yeah, I actually had both Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine this run, was pretty funny

And Privileged Status was constantly up thanks to chill + perma jolt

[cunning urchin]

@shy minnow I wrote a bunch of tips for the Hades fight when reviewing a clip of Mallory496, including how to deal with the skulls, if you read down from here. Should be helpful: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[rugged geyser]

I want to try using water gun Lucifer build, what special do you guys suggest?

I’m thinking Zeus so I can get the duo boon of Poseidon Zeus

[lucid oar]

Artemis/Aphrodite will do the most damage especially with triple bomb

Zeus is good for unlocking sea storm, like you said

But I wouldn't take it over Zeus call/cast

[turbid needle]

keep in mind that like watergun is completly awful until you get the duo so having a good damaging special is important

[solar dawn]

^ that, get zeus call or something over the special

[lucid oar]

Razor shoals/breaking wave will also be helpful

[rugged geyser]

Which one is better?

[lucid oar]

Razor shoals in Asphodel/Elysium, breaking wave in styx

[solar dawn]

razer shoals is also better for bosses, since they dont get shoved

except thesues, but he doesnt take wall slam damage

[rugged geyser]

Oh I got confused

[solar dawn]

Whens a good time to use meg on the heroes?

[lucid oar]

Immediately tap up on the dpad and hit summon

[solar dawn]

I use it when they get in each others faces a lot but I often lose a lot of damage to the damage gate

alright thanks!

Will try that next time

wait Im mkb, what does up on the dpad do?

[raw blade]

i guess the up button is the companion

[lucid oar]

Just make sure you're facing up

[solar dawn]

oh ok

[lucid oar]

I use dpad instead of the stick because it's more precise

[solar dawn]

so like w?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[solar dawn]

thank you!

[cunning urchin]

Meg hits in line with Zag's shoulders. That's why you tap up right at the start.

Most reliable way to hit both.

Well, there are other equally reliable methods, but that one is the fastest.

And if you have Sweet Surrender, make sure you hit them with Weak right after pressing summon.

Because Meg will do more damage.

[lucid oar]

Maim as well, another tiny reason for using gilgamesh

You can do that with rush kick

[rugged geyser]

Infernal or Stygian soul with Arthur?

[lucid oar]

Arthur isn't a cast weapon, so it doesn't really matter

I'd go infernal

[rugged geyser]

Oh sorry I got the name wrong

I meant either backstab bonus or first attack bonus

Precense is the name

[turbid needle]

bsckstab

[rugged geyser]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

I watched the wr on YouTube but they had infernal

Should I just try and get hunters mark?

[lucid oar]

The WR for Arthur is nuts

Magnil turns it into a cast weapon with epic cast damage, lightning phalanx and smoldering air

[supple igloo]

the best players ironically are usually not always using the best builds heat or speedrun wise

their logic and knowledge usually is what gets them the records

[rugged geyser]

Best aspects for merciful end build?

[supple igloo]

anything can make it work

works real well on nemesis

ares attack athena special

dedge hammer

[steel swan]

malphon as well

[mild raft]

Zeus is optimal but harder to control

Fists is way easier cause all you need to do is press the dash button

[woven crypt]

hey guys, do you think lucifer aspect is good?

is it meta?

[lucid oar]

It's not "meta" but it can still be very powerful

[rugged geyser]

It can melt pretty fast with Zeus attack

If you get the legendary

[mild raft]

I mean that is every rail tho

Luci isn’t meta but it has a lot of boss damage if you get the triple bomb hammer

[turbid needle]

lucifer still has my fastest rail time at like 15 min

and with frost strike no less

[supple igloo]

eris

[fading nymph]

Eris

[rugged geyser]

Water gun is pretty good if you get the Zeus posideon duo

[turbid needle]

I used to be getting duo boons a lot but like for the past few days I've had like 5 chances a run with the duo chance modifier mirror upgrade at max and am not getting them at all was their something that lowered the chances in the new patch or something?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[cinder mist]

Spear using Serrated Point with Zeus on attack and Support Fire might be one of the most satisfying builds I've had so far. What else could go well with it if I wanted to aim for it again? This time I used Achilles with a Phalanx Shot build, but it almost felt like the damage from the dash attacks plus lightning and arrows out-damaged my casts

[lucid oar]

Instead of serrated point, try flurry jab

Static discharge also helps a ton

[cinder mist]

I've done that before, but it didn't hit as frequently as Serrated Point it feels

[lucid oar]

You need to hold attack while also dashing around

[cinder mist]

Oh yeah I did have Static Discharge. Maybe aim for Demeter for the permanent jolts?

[lucid oar]

Doing that will basically make you dash strike and attack at the same time

[cinder mist]

oh

[lucid oar]

Phalanx shot is great. Did you have lightning phalanx?

[cinder mist]

Yup

[lucid oar]

Sick

Love that boon

[cinder mist]

I killed the heroes in about 5 seconds I think

Including them being shielded >_>

[cunning urchin]

This would be the optimal way to build Achilles Aspect for DPS, but it requires Flurry Jab first hammer. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?usp=sharing

[cinder mist]

I also had +2 casts from Artemis and +1 from chaos, so I pretty much had a godly run

[cinder mist]

Thanks!

[cunning urchin]

That's just one of the ways to build the aspect. It's incredibly flexible, especially with Cast builds.

[cinder mist]

What makes Static Discharge core for the build by the way? It spontaneously feels like enemies don't attack so often it would be huge to miss out on, but obviously I'm missing something

[cunning urchin]

Your feeling is just inaccurate. Intuition is not good at gauging things like that.

The pom scaling for the first couple poms on Static Discharge is also really good.

It practically doubles the damage you get from your Lightning Strike, at minimum.

ellomenop made a DPS Meter that can show things like that, but the best way to tell is just simply that getting Static Discharge is a dominant strategy in all the top speedruns that use lightning boons.

If it works, it works.

If you watched a speedrun and looked specifically for all the Jolted damage, you would also see much more clearly how much damage it does.

It's hard to see those things in your own run.

You're paying attention to very different things.

[full beacon]

Kinda depends on how you play I guess. But enemies are going to attack at least once in the room before they die in most situations. And against minibosses, armor, or actual bosses, it's always going to be proccing.

[cinder mist]

Makes sense (what both of you wrote), thanks

That's why I'm asking so many questions here, it's hard to see what's going on in a detailed way while playing since it's so fast paced

[rugged geyser]

Yeah I feel you

I never feel like it does much but everyone says to use it

So it must be good

[bronze marten]

I miss it when it’s not there for sure

[misty sun]

What would be good boons to look out for for Demeter Fists (as the charging Uppercut sounds interesting)

[fading nymph]

Either Zeus attack and % boon on the special ie Arty Athena Aphro or a Merciful End build

[untold vortex]

another good build to go for is Deadly Reversal

Athena attack, Artemis special which opens up the possibility of deadly reversal

[arctic rampart]

I really want to make Arthur's sword work but I'm just not feeling it

Is there something I'm misunderstanding? Haven't had many good runs with it

[rugged geyser]

Unless you have a tanky build and some dds left over

Don’t try to go for the full combo on hades

Go for the special > ds > ds combo

Ds being dash strike

Well that’s how I do it

[arctic rampart]

Is the regular attack not good or

[rugged geyser]

It is good

Just not against someone as fast or strong as hades

One tactic I see is that when enemies are spawning in, hit 2 attacks into the air so as they appear they get hit with the third attack

And I like to run aphro special and Artemis attack

Then get the duo

[arctic rampart]

I don't think the Arthur aspect hammer upgrade is all that good?

Doesn't help you kill anything fast, just more survivability afaik

[turbid needle]

the most important hammers are breaching slash, shadow slash and double edge

[cunning urchin]

Survivability is great.

[turbid needle]

also yes, arthur is perfect for tanky builds

and its base dmg with aphro atk is good enough to kill everything

[arctic rampart]

What even is a tanky build

[cunning urchin]

Weak, lots of HP, lots of damage reduction and dodge chance.

Probably deflect somewhere in there.

You start with the for Heartbreak Strike, and then just take it from there.

Passion Dash start is also decent if she's not offering Heartbreak Strike and the Dash is at least rare.

[arctic rampart]

Isn't tanky build going to sacrifice a lot of DPS

[edgy mauve]

no because its arthur

it has all the dps its need with hammers and the swings

also heartbreak strike kinda gud on arthur

[turbid needle]

arthur will never be super fast if thats what you want

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike does the most % damage on Attack, so you're not sacrificing DPS there.

And then Smoldering Air gives you a Call every 5 seconds. Activating any Call gives you i-frames, so you get free i-frames every 5 seconds.

And if you get Second Wind after that, you get at minimum 30% dodge chance virtually permanently. Becaues you can use your Call every 5 seconds while Second Wind lasts for 6 seconds.

And if you don't get Second Wind, you'll most likely get at least one out of Hyper Sprint (damage reduction), Greater Evasion (dodge chance), or Greatest Reflex (more dashes = more i-frames).

Hyper Sprint can lead to Rush Delivery, and Greatest Reflex gives you a lot more mobility, which leads to faster clears.

While Second Wind and Greater Evasion let you play a lot more aggressive.

And if you somehow don't get any of that, a high rarity Swift Strike can also help a lot with both DPS and survivability because you spend less time in Attack animation.

Chaos Gates can give you either HP or Attack damage, and Favor or Affluence are always good, too.

Trippy Shot can lead to more damage reduction but also has very high base damage, excellent pom scaling, and combos very well with Lord Zeus, who you're hoping for for Smoldering Air anyway.

Most of the routes that lead to more tankiness can also lead to more damage. And if you end up with a couple thousand eHP and low DPS somehow, well, you don't need to kill fast, you just need to die more slowly than your enemies to win.

[misty sun]

How do you unlock the hidden aspects?

[edgy mauve]

first unlock the hidden aspect of spear

put 5 titan blood into 5 non zagreus aspects of the spear

then talk to specific person in spears case achilles

[untold vortex]

there's a guide to unlocking hidden aspects pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[edgy mauve]

MAN I TYPED ALL THAT FOR NOTHING >:C

[untold vortex]

not for nothing, now pokedude doesn't have to go to the specific pinned message for the hidden spear unlock conditions

[edgy mauve]

[misty sun]

So, I need go put 5 blood total into either of Hades/Achilles for example?

[edgy mauve]

no

u can spread it out

[misty sun]

put 5 titan blood into 5 non zagreus aspects of the spear

[edgy mauve]

god i mistyped kekw

[untold vortex]

it's unlock 5 non zag aspects

[edgy mauve]

^

thats what i meant

[misty sun]

Spear only has 2 aspects

Ah, I see

[edgy mauve]

also i meant spread it out as in like 2 in achilles 3 in hades spear

[cunning urchin]

And it was wrong.

[edgy mauve]

it was a mistype leave me alone

[iron locust]

So I decided to pick up my least favorite spear just for a trial run on the highestheat setting I've ever done

The game was REALLY insistent that I pick up Demeter Cast with Achilles Aspect

Really trying to sell it to me

[cunning urchin]

It's a good build.

[iron locust]

To my surprise, I actually won with it, go figure

[cunning urchin]

Not a speedrun build, and takes a bit coming together, but it's very good when it gets going.

[iron locust]

I still can't get around that mechanic to have to lunge to get what feels like a short buff

But for Demeter Cast specifically, with its on battle presence being the longest

Definitely worth it for that specific strat

[cunning urchin]

Well, you can just double-tap the Special, and you can use the rush for movement. It can feel like having to do extra steps just to get the buff at first, but with practice and experience, you'll use the rush effectively for positioning, too, so there's no wasted movement.

[cinder mist]

I get this - some things just feel awkward even if they're really strong. I have that with Beowulf shield. I've done ok with it and really feel how powerful it is, but it just feels super clunky every run I use it

[waxen shell]

So what exactly is considered a good speedrun time for a full completion? Specifically for the spear with Aspect of Hades.

[cinder mist]

Achilles on the other hand is super comfy for me, I really like zipping around and throwing out strong attacks

[iron locust]

I love Arthur, so I can vibe with that

But having my mouse play a role in where I lunge is somewhat alienating

Zagreus moves where my keyboard tells him too

[cinder mist]

Right, I'm on the switch so I just hold the direction I wanna go and double tap Special

[waxen shell]

I feel that. Just started a Steam cross-save and it's been messing my brain up a bit

[iron locust]

So is that like a PC thing? Lol

Do you guys attack where you face?

[waxen shell]

I just use the spear all the time lmao

[cinder mist]

On the other hand I get super screwed when it comes to stuff like aiming Dionysus cast or rail bombs

[iron locust]

Because I believe us PC users have complete control over where Zag faces

[cinder mist]

It's a controller thing, I think - afaik it works the same if you use a controller on Steam?

[iron locust]

We can dash through stuff and still swing behind us, easy backstabs

[waxen shell]

It's a bit easier if you hold the button down for a couple seconds. Sure you tank a bit of damage, but it's better in the long-run

[cinder mist]

Yeah, I can't do that :p it's a bit of a different game I guess. Controller is nice for some things, kb+mouse for others

[iron locust]

We can just disable it though

[waxen shell]

Spear also has easy backstabs

[cinder mist]

Yeah, I do that when I have time, but in the middle of combat I just press the button and hope for auto aim to bless me

[waxen shell]

Same tbh

[iron locust]

There's also Aim assist, which helps with Exagryph and ||Rama||

[waxen shell]

I'd ask what ||Rama|| is, but I'm not sure if it's like a secret ending thing, if such exists.

Cast has slight auto-aim as well though, from what I've gathered

[iron locust]

Tracking isn't auto aim

[cinder mist]

It's weapon related, not story related

[iron locust]

Auto aim is like placing your direction vaguely to the left and the game doing the actual aiming for you

Tracking is the projectile literally steering itself

[waxen shell]

Fair point

[iron locust]

Artemis Cast for example is the most tracking cast

[waxen shell]

Is it just ||An aspect|| then?

[cinder mist]

Yup

[waxen shell]

Best cast imo

[iron locust]

It's pretty good

[waxen shell]

But yeah I rarely use Exagryph personally

[iron locust]

It has the piercing trait which allows it to go through Shields

[waxen shell]

Good weapon, it's just that I don't like reloading

[iron locust]

I'm having a hard time liking Exagryph

It removes one of the biggest traits the rest of the weapons have

[waxen shell]

I've been taking a liking to the fists tbh

[iron locust]

That the main attack can 'stagger' foes

[waxen shell]

Oh I always get hit regardless

[iron locust]

Fists are great

Until well

🔥♿

[waxen shell]

Lmao

True

[iron locust]

Long knuckle can help with that

[waxen shell]

I always get blown up by those with any loadout

[iron locust]

There's ways around it

75 gold or just jebaiting them

[waxen shell]

But what're some good loadouts for ||Styx||? Assuming that the ||Satyr Sack|| is RNG based, of course.

[edgy mauve]

wdym by loadout?

[edgy mauve]

hades is a bit of a slower aspect so sub 10 is probably a good goal

[waxen shell]

Like ideal upgrades, etc

Wrong ping by one, sorry

[edgy mauve]

for styx specifically?

[waxen shell]

Yeah

[edgy mauve]

uh

breaking wave + tidal dash is a really good one

[iron locust]

Well eventually you'll learn any weapon can deal with Styx

[turbid needle]

kinda wierd to say for styx

[iron locust]

But if you're starting, I recommend like

[edgy mauve]

some weapons struggle in styx more than others though

[iron locust]

Skelly Keepsake, Charon Keepsake, Chtonic Vitality

[turbid needle]

you usually care about the whole run

[waxen shell]

Also, I should specify that I meant other than the spear

I have like 6 full clears with it

[iron locust]

Well Astro here's the thing

Eventually you can clear Styx with all of them

But if you're looking to survive

[edgy mauve]

_ _

[iron locust]

Well I guess Athena's Deflect is always handy

Flick the booger back at the Satyrs

[lucid oar]

You need tidal dash and breaking wave to really demolish Styx

[edgy mauve]

in order to show styx who the hell is boss

[lucid oar]

Or clockets with proud bearing and dad call

[edgy mauve]

tidal dash + breaking wave is the best

its two boons for insane synergy

and bwave is good out of styx as well

[iron locust]

Heavy Zeus Build will also do great

Bolts, balls, and Jolted

[lucid oar]

Not that good

[iron locust]

Clears crowds fairly

[waxen shell]

My usual way of clearing is by using Boon keepsakes until Elysium, where I put on either the dog collar or the Acorn

[edgy mauve]

eh

eh

[waxen shell]

I always keep Skelly's Tooth for Styx

[lucid oar]

Relative to breaking wave, not really that quick

[edgy mauve]

it takes more than literally two boons and u need to cycle ur whole build around it

and its not as good as bwave

[turbid needle]

yeah forcing gods and then using acorn/skelly for bosses is the bread and butter

[iron locust]

Honestly consider Charon's doohickey

It extends Well purchases

[edgy mauve]

i would not

see

[waxen shell]

Also, I'm not entirely sure if Chaos boons are really worth it still

[turbid needle]

chaos can be very nice

[edgy mauve]

charon keepsake isnt really that good imo

[waxen shell]

I got the bond with it already lol

[edgy mauve]

because its very rng/situational

so uh

if u do it

[lucid oar]

They are really good on most aspects

[edgy mauve]

CHECK THE WELL FIRST

[waxen shell]

Obviously

[edgy mauve]

id only seriously consider charon keepsake on like cast weps

they can benefit so much from it

[turbid needle]

charon keepsake is more of a asphodel pick to me

[iron locust]

Well yes with Prometheus Stone

[turbid needle]

styx I want acorn for theboss

[edgy mauve]

acorn is so good in hades fight

[iron locust]

But Eye of Lamia's pretty funny because like you can get three gyros from a single rat if you stack em

[waxen shell]

So, Death Defiance is 100% better than the other defiance, right?

[turbid needle]

?

no

[waxen shell]

Or is it situational?

[edgy mauve]

well

see

[iron locust]

Stubborn Defiance?

[lucid oar]

On high heat you go SD with LC4

[solar dawn]

stubborn is really good for LC4

[edgy mauve]

its pact dependent

[iron locust]

(Lasting Consequences, reduces healing)

[waxen shell]

That's the one

[turbid needle]

stubborn is amazing if you die a lot in rooms too

[waxen shell]

I rarely use it

[turbid needle]

and if you use lasting consequences

[lucid oar]

In high heat, enemy rooms are generally more dangerous than bosses

So you go SD

[waxen shell]

I've been doing the boss heat ones to start out with

Easiest imo

[iron locust]

Yeah there's a guide for what to pick up

Bosses up to EM3, Forced Overtime, Tight Deadline, some of these you can get used to

[waxen shell]

Tight Deadline is a fun one

[solar dawn]

TD1 is pretty free, 36 mins for a run is quite generous

[iron locust]

Jury Summons and Calisthenic Programs is situational, but going high with them is nuts

[lucid oar]

CP is bad

JS3 is bad

[iron locust]

Because Bosses get em too

[edgy mauve]

JS3 is abysmal

[cinder mist]

From my not-very-hardcore point of view, I always take Chaos in the first area, seldom in other areas. First area is pretty easy, so you're going to get that HP back without too much of a sweat, and whatever drawbacks you get you can handle pretty easily since the enemies are pushovers

[iron locust]

I get chaos whenever I can

[waxen shell]

That's what I do most of the time

[iron locust]

If I die then so be it

I want my 20% more rarity boons

[lucid oar]

I take chaos whenever I see a gate, unless I'm also offered a story room/midshop, where it's situational

[iron locust]

Kek

[waxen shell]

But I've been going for jewels and darkness more recently

[fading nymph]

Chaos free room

[edgy mauve]

so

[cinder mist]

I had a "fun" encounter yesterday where I took Chaos in Elysium with "75% more enemies spawn for the next 3 encounters"

[edgy mauve]

i pretty much unga bunga take chaos whenever i can because its a TIMESAVE

[cinder mist]

Had one room where I got like 8 waves of enemies

[waxen shell]

[iron locust]

I decided to pick up Benefits Package 2 to spice things up

I ran into teleporting damage buffed Flame Wheels

[cinder mist]

Fun

[sterile fiber]

BP2 is fun times, mostly unironically

[iron locust]

I died with my ||Rama|| that could 6 shot Lernie

[waxen shell]

That's an alt-f4 from me lmao

[edgy mauve]

hah

6shot

W E A K

[iron locust]

Lernie as a whole

Not just the main head

[cinder mist]

That 75% more encounters also gave me a second backstab upgrade for my Artemis Excalibur tho - I saw some 4500 damage crits

[edgy mauve]

?

[waxen shell]

Okay this shows how much I've been distanced from the Hades community as a whole

Is Lernie a colloquialism for the Hydra?

[iron locust]

Eh Astro you'll get there eventually

Yeah lmao eventually uhh

[fading nymph]

Zag names them Lernie

[cinder mist]

Yeah, it's the Hydra

[edgy mauve]

later in the story they nickname him lernie

[waxen shell]

Lmao

[iron locust]

Lernean Bone Hydra

"Lernie"

[edgy mauve]

because lernie is the best boss in the game and none can say otherwise

[waxen shell]

Oh right

True though

Easiest too

[waxen shell]

Depending, obviously. Sometimes I have a rough time at Harpies

[cinder mist]

I'm about to throw blood at a fist aspect. Already got Demeter maxed, should I go with Gilgamesh or Talos? Never tried Talos since it sucks without levels, but I do enjoy Gilgamesh a lot. Do I max Talos to be able to play with it, or Gilgamesh to empower one of my favourite aspects?

[iron locust]

Harpies???

[cinder mist]

Furies :p

[lucid oar]

Guessing hades

[iron locust]

Erinyes?

[waxen shell]

Yes, furies

It's like 3 AM here lol

[edgy mauve]

see uh G I L G A B A D

[fading nymph]

gilgameh

[cinder mist]

Gilgafun 😦

[iron locust]

I like Talos

Funny glove

[waxen shell]

If we're talking bad weapons though

The shield is kinda meh

[iron locust]

But Demeter glove is my all time fav

[sterile fiber]

Zag dodge memes tho

[cinder mist]

I love going Ruthless Reflex and Lambent Plume

[fading nymph]

I would rather have no aspect fists than gilg

[cinder mist]

with Gilga

[iron locust]

Kinectic Launcher = Megaman
Explosive Upper = Pocket Nuke

[lucid oar]

I've literally only played dem fists

[iron locust]

That's how you Demeter Aspect

[cinder mist]

Demeter is my fav too, that's why I have it maxed already >_>

[lucid oar]

Played Talos precisely twice

Got 1 random clear, and the next time I played it was to get sub 10 on it

[edgy mauve]

shield hidden aspect is really really really good

[lucid oar]

Like, really good

[waxen shell]

Oh right

[edgy mauve]

like incredibly good

[waxen shell]

Hidden aspects

I totally have those already

[iron locust]

Clearly you don't own the beyblade

[fading nymph]

Beowunderful