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cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 6:08 PM

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It's quite decent.

nimble plank Jul 5, 2021, 6:54 PM

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how does lucifer work?
i don't understand the explosion mechanic, it seems to explode at random.

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also, any good builds for it?

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 6:55 PM

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nimble plank how does lucifer work? i don't understand the explosion mechanic, it seems to ex...

the bomb explodes when something hits it

nimble plank Jul 5, 2021, 6:55 PM

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well i can hit it like 7 times it won't explode.

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 6:55 PM

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nimble plank also, any good builds for it?

zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash, triple bomb

nimble plank Jul 5, 2021, 6:59 PM

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strange lark zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash, triple bomb

some good hammers?

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 7:00 PM

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triple bomb

nimble plank Jul 5, 2021, 7:00 PM

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other?

raw blade Jul 5, 2021, 7:00 PM

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triple bomb

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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ah yes

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triple bomb

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and triple bomb

paper flicker Jul 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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triple rocket? =p

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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probably targeting system and triple beam

raw blade Jul 5, 2021, 7:01 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/861262677250801685.png?v=1

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 7:10 PM

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@nimble plank https://i.imgur.com/bLyCD6q.png

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That's my personal tier list for Lucifer, but it doesn't actually have bad hammers.

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More accurate is probably having a larger gap between Triple Bomb and the others, it's just that good.

nimble plank Jul 5, 2021, 7:18 PM

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thanks!

gaunt ivy Jul 5, 2021, 7:31 PM

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do y'all recommend zeus special or athena special for a zeus shield run?

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Thunder Flourish.

gaunt ivy Jul 5, 2021, 7:32 PM

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thanks again

gaunt ivy Jul 5, 2021, 8:13 PM

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so, does swift flourish affect zeus aspect?

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at least, in a useful way?

strange lark Jul 5, 2021, 8:13 PM

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No it makes zag throw the special out faster

gaunt ivy Jul 5, 2021, 8:14 PM

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sad

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ok, one more: athena attack or artemis attack on hades spear? or something else?

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Artemis attack

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 8:28 PM

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They're both fine tbh.

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Deadly Strike for DPS.

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Although if you really want DPS, you get Merciful End.

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@mighty ermine thoughts on Hunter Dash vs Tidal Dash on Hades Aspect? Probably Tidal Dash?

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 8:30 PM

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I would personally guess tidal

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Tounis started tidal during HD4

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:02 PM

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either is fine at low heat really

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though i usually go for serrated point, and prefer hunter dash there

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tidal dash can be dangerous if you want to be aggressive with it while going fast, with HL5 etc.

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Interesting. I've been preferring Tidal Dash over Hunter on Guan Yu Serrated Point lately.

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Pom scaling is just too good.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:05 PM

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i suppose, but at high heat i like to take advantage of serrated's pretty huge range

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and with tidal you're frequently disregarding that to go unga bunga

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Hmm.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:06 PM

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if dying isn't an issue tidal is huge though

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:06 PM

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The knockback makes it safer, too, in my experience.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:07 PM

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i mostly mean in terms of putting yourself in harm's way versus armored foes

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definitely not in my experience

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:08 PM

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It might be just a difference between Guan Yu and Hades. Because with Guan Yu, I can just strip armor with the special, and the Dash-Strike base damage is much better, so a single Dash-Strike into a wall with Tidal Dash can often strip armor easily, too.

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And also probably with AP poms not hitting Dash, that would take the scaling advantage away.

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It's weird because my Guan Yu builds used to be all Heart Rend + Hunter Dash, and now it's all Heartbreak Flourish into Tidal + Drunken Strike.

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And Deadly Strike is a pivot I'd rather not have to take if I can avoid it.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:11 PM

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lol, true

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with hades, deadly strike and hunter dash are both great

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:12 PM

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But you liked Drunken Strike, too, right? I remembered you had that in some Hades runs, that's why I've been trying it more with Guan Yu lately.

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Only about a year after you were doing your Hades Aspect runs.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:13 PM

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yeah, it pairs nicely with serrated, and even with punishing sweep... spear damage 😔

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so the hangover is a solid supplement with constant attacks

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Even without Serrated... it's just set and forget on bosses.

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And great pom scaling.

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Unlike Deadly Strike.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:14 PM

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yeah, and hades aspect struggles against bosses compared to normal encounters

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Deadly Strike poms are so bad... you really need Hunter's Mark to get any pom scaling, and that doesn't do much vs Hades.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:14 PM

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yeah lol

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hades aspect in general scales pretty poorly with boons, i've found. i take RI2 a lot regardless, but it feels more free on hades spear because of this

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Do you even need extra additive damage on hades spear? I would have thought that the punishing sweep bonus would be enough

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I don't know if m the odd one out, but I find most people in high heat swear by Lady Artemis boons while I've been avoiding her more and more in favor of Hangover, Doom, Heartbreak, etc. Anything that gives me great pom scaling.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:16 PM

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lucid oar Do you even need extra additive damage on hades spear? I would have thought that...

not really, which is why deadly strike and drunken strike are two of its best attack options

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:16 PM

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It's why I'm sceptical of hunter dash

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:16 PM

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it's mostly a serrated point supplement

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i don't think it's really all too good on hades spear outside of that

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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What's your favorite Dash, then?

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Generally.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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for high heat, probably the classic safe choice

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divine

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Generally on Hades Aspect, I mean.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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deflect on spin dashes is huge

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Hmmm. Dash for DPS isn't important for you?

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Oh yeah, that makes sense.

terse spade Jul 5, 2021, 9:18 PM

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time to grab the secret aspect for coronacht

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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my 54 had tempest strike and divine dash lol

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only reason i didn't go overtime was because of serrated

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er, i did go overtime

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i mean, didn't die to it

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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terse spade time to grab the secret aspect for coronacht

Should use the opportunity to pick @mighty ermine's brain on that, since our resident Star Fox is by far the best Rama player there is. courte5DusaBond

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Does tempest strike push enemies outside the dash strike range before or after the 3rd hit?

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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You're guaranteed to get all three hits. It's not like it's three separate hitboxes. It's one hitbox that does damage three times.

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Same for Double Edge.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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lucid oar Does tempest strike push enemies outside the dash strike range before or after t...

they all hit if you initiate the dash-strike pretty close

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the first one does push

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Very sure you can hit from max range and get all three hits.

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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That's good to know, that is if I ever use tempest strike on Hades dusa

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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mighty ermine my 54 had tempest strike and divine dash lol

Did you have Unshakable Mettle?

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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cunning urchin Very sure you can hit from max range and get all three hits.

there are some moments in the 54 run where the first hit pushes the foe out of range

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specifically a light one like a splitter

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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cunning urchin Did you have Unshakable Mettle?

no :(

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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If you had sea storm, I take it it would only proc it once

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I wonder what the time between each strike is

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Because cooldown, yeah. I think the cooldown is the same as Thunder Flourish etc.

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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mighty ermine there are some moments in the 54 run where the first hit pushes the foe out of r...

Do you think you can find that? I was very sure that can't happen.

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Honestly I'd really like to try a mod where thunder bolts have 0.01s cooldown. Thunder flourish Chiron would be 300% bonus damage

proven osprey Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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thunder flourish with jolted is not that bad

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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You can probably find it a lot faster in the video than me. Especially because my ADHD brain would get distracted 30 seconds into searching for it and do something else. dusa

proven osprey Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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it grants the aoe that Chiron lacks. Works better with some global damage but still pretty nice

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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cunning urchin Do you think you can find that? I was very sure that can't happen.

https://youtu.be/chnLeGiALhg?t=922

YouTube

Tailesque

Hades - 54 Heat - Aspect of Hades

0:33 - run start

Serrated Point again, except with a damp attack boon and starting keepsake that basically did nothing

▶ Play video

proven osprey Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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you're not gonna hit heart rend ofc but hey

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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right after that timestamp

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first hit of serrated makes the other hits miss a splitter

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Nope. You're wrong about that.

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189 is from three hits.

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Each doing 63.

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You can watch that frame by frame.

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It goes 63 > 126 > 189.

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:29 PM

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proven osprey it grants the aoe that Chiron lacks. Works better with some global damage but st...

But it's still a poor Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm. But it's def better than people expect when they hear that Thunder Flourish doesn't work the way they expect on Chiron.

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:32 PM

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cunning urchin Nope. You're wrong about that.

i think you might be looking at a different instance

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:32 PM

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m looking at this one. https://imgur.com/a/sYTTyvP

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mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:33 PM

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this one is a lot more clear actually https://youtu.be/chnLeGiALhg?t=1288

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Tailesque

Hades - 54 Heat - Aspect of Hades

0:33 - run start

Serrated Point again, except with a damp attack boon and starting keepsake that basically did nothing

▶ Play video

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hits all 3 successfully at first for 189

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then another dash-strike fails to hit all three

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:35 PM

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On a scale of F to S what would you guys rate the Duo and Legendary boons?

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Oh, that looks like only the third one hits. I guess it's three hitboxes after all. I think you can't miss the other two if the first one hits, though? That's anecdotal, anyway.

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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near heath On a scale of F to S what would you guys rate the Duo and Legendary boons?

All of them?

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Or just duos in general

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Yeah so it’s gonna take a while

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I know duos are to varied to be general

mighty ermine Jul 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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cunning urchin Oh, that looks like only the third one hits. I guess it's three hitboxes after a...

right after casting, only the first one hits :(

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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lucid oar Or just duos in general

Maybe we should take this to general discussion

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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It fits here I think

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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I think this channel is more appropriate than #h1-discussion for something like that.

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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near heath On a scale of F to S what would you guys rate the Duo and Legendary boons?

https://i.imgur.com/xWUPvie.png

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near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Oh k ok

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Changed the link to a larger image.

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A lot of the boons you just can't compare directly because they have different requirements.

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It doesn't make sense to put Smoldering Air directly against Merciful End, for example.

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:41 PM

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I can’t read a lot of it

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:42 PM

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You could say that a Merciful End build has greater potential on this aspect, but a Smoldering Air build has more consistency... things like that. But in some runs, you have no chance of even getting Merciful End or Smoldering Air because you don't have the required boons, so how do you rate that?

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Good question

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Heartbreak and Deadly Strike top. Nice

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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mighty ermine right after casting, only the first one hits :(

Yeah, I see it now. Well, unlearned something wrong and learned something new. courte5DusaBond

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Always nice to confirm things like this.

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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It’s so weird to me

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Like Blade Rifts is just this big case of either it’s trash or after Hunting Blades it’s OP

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There isn’t much in between

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Blade rifts are okay if you have no forced overtime, but still not great

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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near heath Heartbreak and Deadly Strike top. Nice

Mind you, the tier list is very general. Like if I had to make one tier list that you can use for every aspect, that would be it.

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:49 PM

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True

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 9:49 PM

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And you can see that all the boons that have some sort of requirements are in separate categories. But they're ranked from left to right, too.

near heath Jul 5, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Slicing Shot is one of my favorite boons. But only if I get Hunting Blades

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Just yesterday I melted Hades in 2 minutes just with Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Yeah, and Hunting Blades requires so much to get going.

proper furnace Jul 5, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Hyper sprint to aim for rush delivery or greatest reflex epic? Ruthless beo

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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What heat, also are you speedrunning?

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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What's the rarity on dashes?

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This is first Lord Hermes boon or second?

proper furnace Jul 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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15 heat, no speedrunning
First hermes

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Oh you already said Epic.

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Greatest Reflex.

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 10:39 PM

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I'd take dashes

proper furnace Jul 5, 2021, 10:40 PM

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SuiNod

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 10:41 PM

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TFW you accidentally turn on a hardware monitor with some key combo and have no idea how to turn it off. heyred

proper furnace Jul 5, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Oh speaking of speedrunning with beo is there a guide of some sort? Mainly mirror and the build

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(in game time)

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 11:06 PM

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All purple apart from fiery and the last 5, which are green

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Basically, use either flood flare or passion flare, and get mirage shot ASAP. Best hammer is charged shot, and sudden rush helps as well. Other good things to aim for are snow burst, and hyper delivery. Chaos damage/extra casts also really helps.

proper furnace Jul 5, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Understood, ty SuiNod

lucid oar Jul 5, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Don't be discouraged if the times aren't what you are expecting, Beowulf is a really hard weapon to learn

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But the ceiling is really high

cunning urchin Jul 5, 2021, 11:39 PM

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proper furnace Oh speaking of speedrunning with beo is there a guide of some sort? Mainly mirro...

Hera and Beowulf are basically the same build except for hammers, and you can't get Parting Shot or Exit Wounds on Beowulf.

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

Google Docs

scuffed hera guide

Hera Guide: This is meant as a quick overview into Crush Shot Hera and how to build it. Other builds can see success, nothing here is set in stone, and this is far from exhaustive. This represents general attitudes towards the build + its options. Always go with your gut on what you think will b...

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So that should cover most things.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Regarding the (zagreus) bow, what Olympians usually combo well with it?

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Aspect of Hera does well with dio and aphro cast, the homing special one does pretty well with zues, pos, and Aries,

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 12:05 AM

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cunning urchin Hera and Beowulf are basically the same build except for hammers, and you can't ...

in the guide u mention multiple times about taking calls will cause headaches with hermes. why is that?

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:06 AM

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But as of late I’m starting to feel like regardless of what Olympian you pick for the primary attack, the overall dps is mostly the same

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 12:06 AM

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tough plinth Regarding the (zagreus) bow, what Olympians usually combo well with it?

Aphro and artemis

proper furnace Jul 6, 2021, 12:06 AM

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storm ivy in the guide u mention multiple times about taking calls will cause headaches wi...

Second wind (i think thats called)?
And the one that charges your call automatically are added into hermes possible boons iirc

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:07 AM

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tough plinth Regarding the (zagreus) bow, what Olympians usually combo well with it?

Both the aspects with innate crit chance (zag bow and nemesis sword) benefit massively from heart rend, the duo between Aphrodite and Artemis

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:07 AM

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strange lark Aphro and artemis

With how many times I’ve been recommended arti, I feel stupid

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I’ve basically been under the impression she was the worst one, but apparently crit gets pretty good later on

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

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lucid oar Both the aspects with innate crit chance (zag bow and nemesis sword) benefit mas...

Interesting, what’s the effect?

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Crits deal more damage to weak foes

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

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150% extra crit damage to weak enemies

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Crits go from being 200% damage, to 350% damage

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Damn, multiplicative?

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Oh nvm

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:09 AM

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Crits are multiplicative, but heart rend isn’t a multiplicative bonus.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:10 AM

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That’s kinda nutty actually, I can imagine the combos with the power shot or explosive shot hammer boon

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Zag bow best hammers are twin shot and triple shot, as those are essentially multiplicative damage

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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I guess I just don’t like the whole “chance to crit” deal. But I’ll be sure to look into it

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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But perfect shot and explosive shot are good when combo’d with twin and triple

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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proper furnace Second wind (i think thats called)? And the one that charges your call automatic...

oh ok because it adds more boons to the hermes pool. that makes sense

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:11 AM

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I understand twin shot, but triple? Feels like you need to be point blank to abuse it, and that sounds like more effort than it’s worth

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:12 AM

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lucid oar But perfect shot and explosive shot are good when combo’d with twin and triple

good point actually

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:12 AM

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It is a new playstyle to adapt to, but it is also 3x damage when used correctly

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I prefer twin shot as it’s safer, but many other people prefer triple

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They are both really really good

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:12 AM

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storm ivy in the guide u mention multiple times about taking calls will cause headaches wi...

cgull wrote that guide, not me. But Calls unlock Second Wind and Quick Favor. You don't want those.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Well +300% damage, say, 10% of the time is in actuality just +30% damage

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Which only really pans out during boss fights, but the videogame is more than numbers

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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I think most top bow players lean towards Triple over Twin at this point.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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15% crit chance on average is 1.3x damage

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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tough plinth Well +300% damage, say, 10% of the time is in actuality just +30% damage

Ignore that, I play too much risk of rain

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Regardless, I need to actually play with it before I give my thoughts on it

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

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tough plinth I understand twin shot, but triple? Feels like you need to be point blank to abu...

Well, the advice for hammers like that is generally for what's possible in theory, not for what's necessarily possible at your level yet. Some things take practice, but the practice can def be worth it.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

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cunning urchin I think most top bow players lean towards Triple over Twin at this point.

Once I get good enough to stare the final boss point blank consistently, I’ll do so

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

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cunning urchin Well, the advice for hammers like that is generally for what's possible in theor...

Yeah exactly

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

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You don't wanna stare at them point-blank, you get behind them usually lol.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Are the hitboxes that funky? I know the bow “crosshair” makes it look like the projectiles don’t even touch with the spread

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Which is probably not true

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Even without a lot of practice, Triple Shot is still great, anyway.

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Gotcha, I’ll look into it

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Not hitboxes, just if you're behind them, they're attacking away from you not towards you lol.

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 12:18 AM

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To clarify, Heart Rend makes Weak enemies take crits for 4.5x damage instead of the normal 3x damage for a crit.

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Crit builds also all aim for Hunter's Mark with poms on it.

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Those crits snowball very fast.

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Your first crit can give you 100% crit chance on the marked target.

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And then it's just crits from there.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:21 AM

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Also, even if you don’t have deadly strike/flourish, pressure points + hunters mark is a really good combo if you hit things really often

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Even if you just have tidal dash, you can basically walk around and you’ll get at least a few crits

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 12:22 AM

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No, you have to Dash. squirtdevious

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 12:22 AM

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😦

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:10 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/861775925641347102/unknown.png finally got merciful end on the literal last possible chance

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:16 AM

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royal needle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/861775925641347102/unk...

That Flood Shot and Poseidon's Aid really hurt your odds of getting it sooner.

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Especially Flood Shot because it unlocks a Duo Boon with each of them.

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:17 AM

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oh

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i took poseidon aid so i wouldnt get ares aid

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flood shot i just took to fill up slot

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:19 AM

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Yeah, but filling up slots with boons that unlock other Duo Boons hurts your odds of getting that specific Duo Boon you want way more than leaving it empty.

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The roll for Merciful End happens before the roll for other boons, anyway, so you didn't have to take one just to not be offered Ares' Aid.

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:20 AM

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I probably should be thinking about these things when i choose boons lol

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:20 AM

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cunning urchin The roll for Merciful End happens before the roll for other boons, anyway, so yo...

?

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:20 AM

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I guess it gives you slightly better odds for Impending Doom, but you're not looking for that until after you already have Merciful End.

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Call is not a priority boon.

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:20 AM

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I thought the process was all kinda at the same time

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which boons are priority?

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:22 AM

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(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(2) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(3) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(4) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(5) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(7) fill all remaining slots with common,
(8) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

royal needle Jul 6, 2021, 1:23 AM

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damn. i just thought everything was completely random

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i need to like write that down

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 1:28 AM

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cunning urchin Especially Flood Shot because it unlocks a Duo Boon with each of them.

but dont u need flood shot to fulfill a boon in each of the primary boons? as you would keep getting it offered right? (like phalanx shot or slicing shot)

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:29 AM

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It's better to have open priority slots than to have another Duo Boon unlocked for your chances to get Merciful End.

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 1:29 AM

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i see

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:30 AM

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If you're using God's Legacy and want both or all three Duo Boons and don't care in which order, it'd be good to take it.

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But if you really want Merciful End, you don't want to open Curse of Drowning and Unshakable Mettle.

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Especially because they don't do anything for that build.

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 1:31 AM

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so lets say u were trying to force ME, would you recommend skipping non athena/ares rooms as much as possible until u can secure it? im just saying because picking up other primary boons not only open duo boons but also tier 2 ones possibly right

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:32 AM

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You start with Lord Ares and skip other gods until you see Lady Athena, then you want to get to 4 gods asap, though.

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When you have boons from fewer than 4 gods (not counting Lord Hermes and Master Chaos), any new boon you see will be from a random god.

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That's a 2/8 chance to see Lord Ares or Lady Athena.

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But when you have boons from 4 gods, any new boon will be from one of the four gods you already have.

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That's a 2/4 chance that a new boon is from Lord Ares or Lady Athena.

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You'd take only boons that don't open up Duo Boons with Lady Athena and Lord Ares, though.

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Except for maybe True Shot because that opens up Deadly Reversal, which is excellent in ME builds.

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Most passive (i.e., non-core) boons don't open up Duo Boons. So if you're ever unsure, just take those.

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That's also why when you watch any top player streams and they ask themselves, "what can god x give me here?" when they're choosing between rooms or deciding whether to buy a boon... most of the time what they're really asking is "what passive boons can this god give me that would supplement my build?"

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Like, we only care for very specific boons from them, and then we gauge the odds of getting any one of those vs getting all the ones we don't really care for.

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And also how strong it would be if we could get it. Like sometimes the odds are bad, but a Battle Rage on Zag Bow might still be worth shooting for. Even if that's just one boon in the pool, and if you don't get it, you might be able to settle for Urge to Kill or even Curse of Vengeance to get at least something out of it.

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 1:43 AM

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ah thank you

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:44 AM

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When I speedrun RTA, I have like a basic flowchart that I can just follow without thinking, which is typically the core of the build I want, and that allows me to think ahead for every other god I might see, so that when I see Lord Dionysus or Lord Ares in a build in which they're not important for me, I don't have to waste time making a decision whether to skip them or whether there is something that might be worth going for, or which one out of the two to take. Things like that.

storm ivy Jul 6, 2021, 1:45 AM

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cunning urchin You'd take only boons that don't open up Duo Boons with Lady Athena and Lord Are...

ah ok this is so obvious but im missing it. so stay away from the basic boons on those "secondary" gods to my game plan as i dont want to accidentally unlock like parting shot or hunting blades or whatever extra stuff i could by investing in those primary boons

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's how you get more consistent builds.

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Is it just me or is Poseidon dash counterproductive with fists

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I knock enemies away when trying to get close

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 2:33 AM

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I don't like it, and I know other top Malphon players who don't like it, either. But some players have gotten impressive times with Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash. Can't really argue with results.

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But it's no ME.

proper furnace Jul 6, 2021, 2:50 AM

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is dad call still a good offensive keepsake to take at the end for more damage? or should i take accorn to keep high confidence

fading nymph Jul 6, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Speed runners take dad call

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But if your not feeling safe then you should take acorn

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:03 AM

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cunning urchin I don't like it, and I know other top Malphon players who don't like it, either....

I could see that working with Long Knuckle

deep lake Jul 6, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Don't think I've had a better tartarus before

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6 epic boons, all great for the build

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/861806400693600256/unknown.png

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Holy crap! Great job!

deep lake Jul 6, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Ikr, just trying this shield out on a low ass heat

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and getting bounties

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cuz i don't play shield too often, even though it's great

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but thanks!

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:21 AM

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No problem, hope the run continues to go well

deep lake Jul 6, 2021, 3:23 AM

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dude wtf

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I went from an epic demeter cast, to a stronger heroic athena cast, to a stronger heroic artemis

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wait nvm

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that was an artemis special

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I'm dumb LMFAO

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Alright, I'm running Demeter fists and I'm curious as to what I should get for my special

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Should I get raw damage% from someone, or take the rare special Ares is offering

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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raw dmg

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Party Animal build then (Dionysus + Aphrodite)

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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that ones good yeah

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 4:14 AM

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I feel like Phil Swift LOL

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"Now that's a lot of damage!"

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Well

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I dont think I can beat Hades with this

silk hearth Jul 6, 2021, 4:31 AM

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just do it

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 4:31 AM

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try anyway

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play safe, dodge often

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Yeah, I died LOL

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I'm tired so my reaction time and mid-fight decision making wasn't great

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Lost my last DD fighting a Boss Satyr, went in to Hades fight with 350 health and I finished first phase with about 20 damage (but no more acorn) and just tanked a combo on his second phase

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I'm gonna go to sleep now haha

boreal prism Jul 6, 2021, 4:38 AM

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You'll get there with more health next time

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Sleep well

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 4:39 AM

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I'll try, mind's been a little cloudy tonight

foggy prawn Jul 6, 2021, 4:55 AM

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whats the optimal playstyle of excalibur?

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 5:02 AM

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you wanna dash cancel your attack combo so you'll move with the swings

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or do dash strikes if you dont have the space for that

foggy prawn Jul 6, 2021, 5:06 AM

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oh dash cancels huh gotta practice that more

autumn cipher Jul 6, 2021, 6:14 AM

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foggy prawn whats the optimal playstyle of excalibur?

get the artemis attack

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u can get some insane crits with that

autumn cipher Jul 6, 2021, 6:22 AM

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dense lion Should I get raw damage% from someone, or take the rare special Ares is offering

attack ares for merciful end works like a charm

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and athena special

opal lodge Jul 6, 2021, 9:41 AM

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lightning strike tidal dash fists were pretty good with 1.0 dad call

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now its just not as fast as ME

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still decent

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blade dash or passion dash are good substitutes if you dont want to push away enemies

raw blade Jul 6, 2021, 9:48 AM

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i feel like blade dash with gilga would be good

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i havent tried tho

toxic siren Jul 6, 2021, 9:58 AM

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someone gimme a chaos shield build please

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i don't shield that's why

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Thunder flourish, static discharge, double strike, splitting bolt

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Explosive return + dashing flight, or charged shot + empowering flight.

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Get Artemis or Aphrodite on attack if you see charged shot. If you don't get charged shot, your attack boon doesn't really matter.

toxic siren Jul 6, 2021, 10:02 AM

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oki doki

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thanks!

rigid rover Jul 6, 2021, 1:58 PM

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I want to go for a strong arthur build

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whats stronger, is merciful end good on arthur? I've never done a merciful end build, or is heart rend better?

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 2:02 PM

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ME.

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Heart Rend is way more reliable, though, and actually relies on aspect mechanics.

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ME is just the same Dash-Strike spam as with any other aspect.

rigid rover Jul 6, 2021, 2:04 PM

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ah ok

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the way you play arthur is you do your full arthur combo but you dash in between right

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I don't know how to do the full arthur combo and dash between each strike

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consistently

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 2:05 PM

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I prefer to dash strike -> 2 dashes

autumn cipher Jul 6, 2021, 2:05 PM

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rigid rover whats stronger, is merciful end good on arthur? I've never done a merciful end b...

heart rend and dash strike

rigid rover Jul 6, 2021, 2:08 PM

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oh okay

foggy prawn Jul 6, 2021, 2:10 PM

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man i really wanna do a dio build

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 2:10 PM

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you wont always have space for the full arthur combo

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its good to do it when you can

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but dont force it when you would get hit for it

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dash strikes are faster and safer

raw blade Jul 6, 2021, 2:15 PM

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foggy prawn man i really wanna do a dio build

you can do a dio cast build with beo

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dio and zeus

raw blade Jul 6, 2021, 2:49 PM

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whats a good build on demeter fists

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i have zeus attack already

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 2:50 PM

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raw blade whats a good build on demeter fists

#h1-builds-and-combat message

raw blade Jul 6, 2021, 2:53 PM

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alright

foggy prawn Jul 6, 2021, 2:56 PM

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whats a good build for rama? should i gofor triple shot?

raw blade Jul 6, 2021, 2:57 PM

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definitely

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Attack.

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Hangover, Doom, or Lightning on Special.

foggy prawn Jul 6, 2021, 2:59 PM

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aight

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Is Deadly Strike good for Hera?

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 3:02 PM

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yeah for mirage shot

dense lion Jul 6, 2021, 3:03 PM

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That's what I was goin for, thanks

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Oooof, why do you have to do me like that Lord Uncle?

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Epic Tidal Dash or Mirage Shot :\

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I kinda have to take Mirage since that's my build 😔

jovial fulcrum Jul 6, 2021, 3:16 PM

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shiny green

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Yeah, just take Mirage Shot.

nimble plank Jul 6, 2021, 4:17 PM

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is there an aspect tier list?

boreal prism Jul 6, 2021, 4:17 PM

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theres a hudnred of them and they're all wrong

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nah but like, different aspects are good for different things

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:18 PM

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For speedrunning? Or just casual play

nimble plank Jul 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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casual play.

boreal prism Jul 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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you'd probably rather have a tier list of easiest to learn aspects, instead of the best aspects that the best players know how to play

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:19 PM

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How would you even make a tier list for casual play? thanthink

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Here’s one from a good player, its more for speedrunning though. https://youtu.be/a6aYpu-7UK0

YouTube

Duunk0

I Ranked Every Aspect in Hades

I did this a while back and finally got around to editing + uploading it. This new world of doing youtube + streaming more seriously means that I have time to get through my backlog!
Watch live at twitch.tv/duunk0

▶ Play video

hoary slate Jul 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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You put the boons from Characters you like first and don't call it high-heat List like you do other times.

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Tier lists reflect potential. Casual play very much doesn't, or it wouldn't be casual.

hoary slate Jul 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Or wait Aspects..

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:21 PM

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All aspects can be played casually just fine, you don't need a tier list for it

nimble plank Jul 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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true, what about speedrunning then?

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:22 PM

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The one I linked above ^

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:23 PM

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The speedrun leaderboard should give you a good idea for trends.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:24 PM

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The one I linked is about 4 months old. A more up to date one would probably look like this:

boreal prism Jul 6, 2021, 4:25 PM

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i guess the easiest aspects to learn are the aspects you like

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:25 PM

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S tier: Eris, Achilles, Beowulf, Hera

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A tier: Nemesis, Demeter, Hestia, Zag bow

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Top times for an aspect show you what's at minimum possible when everything goes right, and the spread and popularity are good indicators for consistency.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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My internet messed up a second, they were sent in the wrong order

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Appears fine on my end.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Hmm

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Oh well. Anyway, aspects like poseidon sword are no longer in A tier

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So duunk0s list is probably outdated

sonic mural Jul 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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No rama? Idk anything about the bow aspects tho but i thought rama was pretty good

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Rama was the second last aspect to go sub 7. It’s great for high heat tho

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Hmm. Isn't Poseidon still the sword aspect you'd run in a multi weapon race, though. Should def be A tier. It's fast, it's just not popular atm. People play Hera and Beowulf for Cast builds.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:30 PM

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cunning urchin Hmm. Isn't Poseidon still the sword aspect you'd run in a multi weapon race, tho...

Not sure to be honest. I think people have started going tidal dash start on nemesis as it isn’t as reliant on double edge

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Which is probably more multi-weap friendly

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:31 PM

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You can start Tidal Dash on anything.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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True, its probably not the best start on Rama though

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Eventually, everyone will just start Epic Tidal Dash + Pom Blossom.

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With Olympian Favor to get fewer boons to get more poms on Dash.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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This will be when times get so competitive that starting tidal dash with pom blossom is the only way to go sub 5

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Indeed.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Olympian favour, to get more keys, to get more chances at rush delivery

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Good thinking.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:34 PM

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AP2 should be used in RTA runs to eliminate decision making. It’s the only way to go sub 12

cunning urchin Jul 6, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Decision making?

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Psh.

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I make WRs, not decisions.

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Okay, i forgot that you are only supposed to pick purple boons

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 4:46 PM

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cunning urchin Hmm. Isn't Poseidon still the sword aspect you'd run in a multi weapon race, tho...

Just checked tounis’ recent all weapons WR, they went for tidal dash start on nemesis but of course found double edge anyway

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Recently got aspect of Beowulf. 80% sure I’m bad and not the actual weapon

boreal prism Jul 6, 2021, 6:51 PM

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have you ever played hera bow?

tough plinth Jul 6, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I have,

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my issue was not aiming the range where I wanted to have the cast land

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run took a turn for the better when I figured that one out.

drifting swift Jul 6, 2021, 7:45 PM

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So I made a pretty sick build

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Awn can't post screenshots

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 7:59 PM

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drifting swift Awn can't post screenshots

You can post the image link and it will auto emmed

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Chain shot or repulse shot in Rama?

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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What's the other option

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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or twin

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Twin definitely

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Twin

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Is the other 2 ever good

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Chain shot is pretty meh, repulse shot is the worst Rama hammer

strange lark Jul 6, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Not really

sterile fiber Jul 6, 2021, 8:31 PM

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aye

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feelsbad when the unique hammers are bad

lucid oar Jul 6, 2021, 8:35 PM

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I don't think any of the unique hammers are that great

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Even Lucifer prefers triple bomb over anything else

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Concentrated Beam makes Attack runs slightly less memetic.

rigid rover Jul 6, 2021, 9:48 PM

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hunting blades is nuts on achiles

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I have never shred a boss this hard

rigid rover Jul 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Legit the strongest build I have ever done by far

turbid needle Jul 6, 2021, 10:43 PM

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It's a very satisfying build.

scarlet yoke Jul 7, 2021, 5:34 AM

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lucid oar Even Lucifer prefers triple bomb over anything else

To be fair, Hellfire makes everything unique

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Hey guys. What’s the best build for the rail gun?? I’m new. Get to Hades easily but struggle with him

willow fossil Jul 7, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Best for what

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oh wait you just want to beat it

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Uhm, I like dio with rail

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Is fun

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:35 AM

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lethal ore Hey guys. What’s the best build for the rail gun?? I’m new. Get to Hades easily ...

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Eris Rail Guide

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 10:35 AM

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willow fossil Best for what

Yeah I just wanna beat it lol

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 10:36 AM

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lucid oar https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

What a legend. Thank you!!

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:36 AM

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No problem

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I will say that this guide is for going fast, if you want to just beat the game, take the acorn/lucky tooth in Elysium and Styx

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And use thick skin on the mirror

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But apart from that it should be really helpful

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 10:43 AM

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lucid oar No problem

Well I plan on beating it multiple times and eventually speedrun it. So this helps. I just have to understand how to beat it once lol 1st. But thank you so much! Definitely helps understand more

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 11:05 AM

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lucid oar No problem

Wait I have a question... can you swap keepsakes mid run?? If so how?

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 11:06 AM

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lethal ore Wait I have a question... can you swap keepsakes mid run?? If so how?

buy the glass case on the contractor, and it should appear on each checkpoint before a new biome

lethal ore Jul 7, 2021, 11:07 AM

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foggy prawn buy the glass case on the contractor, and it should appear on each checkpoint be...

EACH CHECKPOINT!?!? Omg why haven’t I seen them anywhere but the beginning..... omg... lol

novel pollen Jul 7, 2021, 11:07 AM

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can somebody link me a guide/tell what gods I should prioritize while playing arthur, and what keepsakes to use

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like switching mid run for certain gods

turbid needle Jul 7, 2021, 11:38 AM

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you should either aim for a high dmg+dmg reduction build w aphro atk or a crit build with artemis atk

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merciful end also works like always

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divine dash is really nice

novel pollen Jul 7, 2021, 11:46 AM

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aight

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 1:29 PM

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I've been wondering, is Dio cast good with Hera? I'm worried it will still lob the projectile instead of shoot it with the attack

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 1:30 PM

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You'll want Stygian Soul, and yes, it can be very strong.

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Huh, interesting

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Stygian soul is much better for casts that don't lodge, I must say

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 1:52 PM

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dense lion I've been wondering, is Dio cast good with Hera? I'm worried it will still lob t...

Because it is a flare, mirage shot is no. 1 priority because it will essentially double the number of casts you have

errant narwhal Jul 7, 2021, 3:16 PM

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i didnt take enough boons and now i have to sell one :(

proven osprey Jul 7, 2021, 3:16 PM

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o7

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Farewell, Divine Dash.

errant narwhal Jul 7, 2021, 3:18 PM

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yeah, though i dont know how well ill fare in elysium without it gilmanangst

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well see

proven osprey Jul 7, 2021, 3:19 PM

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you'll get it again

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 3:21 PM

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You'll do fine!

errant narwhal Jul 7, 2021, 3:26 PM

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I got it back B)

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Woo~!

real crest Jul 7, 2021, 5:00 PM

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By the way,@Nyaanyaa Mewmew why do you worship Arphodite more in particular

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 5:04 PM

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What do you mean?

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She's the Goddess of Love and Beauty.

real crest Jul 7, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Meaning?

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Love conquers everything.

real crest Jul 7, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Ah ok good to know

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But can Hermes not steal someone's heart effectively getting the same result.

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 5:08 PM

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thanthink

real crest Jul 7, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Smiles in thief

atomic bolt Jul 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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btw, am i the only one who basically can't escape without divine dash? thanthink

boreal prism Jul 7, 2021, 5:58 PM

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that's common at first i think

strange lark Jul 7, 2021, 5:58 PM

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atomic bolt btw, am i the only one who basically can't escape without divine dash? <:thanthi...

no

boreal prism Jul 7, 2021, 5:58 PM

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athena boons are strong until you learn to dodge projectiles

strange lark Jul 7, 2021, 5:59 PM

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theres a lot of people who have divine dash in every run

atomic bolt Jul 7, 2021, 5:59 PM

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glad to know it isn't just me

atomic bolt Jul 7, 2021, 5:59 PM

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boreal prism athena boons are strong until you learn to dodge projectiles

yeah, i'm getting better at it but dad's pretty fast and i can't help but getting boiling blood a couple times when i'm against him

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i guess i'll just have to avoid it and try to not use it as a crutch

boreal prism Jul 7, 2021, 6:03 PM

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well, if it works it works

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 6:03 PM

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boreal prism athena boons are strong until you learn to dodge projectiles

They're still strong when you learn to dodge projectiles.

atomic bolt Jul 7, 2021, 6:07 PM

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boreal prism well, if it works it works

true hehe but sometimes i feel lost when athena boons won't spawn so itd be good for me to try to find other options

keen ingot Jul 7, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Any weapon (and aspect) recommendation for getting the pierced butterfly to 30%? (Gotta clear 15 rooms without taking damage) I can't seem to get it done regardless of which weapon I take, going to try malphon next, that and the bow are the only 2 I haven't tried yet. I think I got to 22% at best but by then I was in Elysium which is a lot tougher due to more armor >.>

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Guan Yu, Hestia, Chiron.

keen ingot Jul 7, 2021, 6:15 PM

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what makes guan-yu better than other spear aspects?

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 6:15 PM

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The Special is way stronger and you don't need to recall it.

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Especially strong if you get Charged Skewer.

keen ingot Jul 7, 2021, 6:15 PM

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ah

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I don't tend to get the Hestia aspect often since I don't like to rely on manual reload (and always hope to get infinite ammo) I'll give it a try for sure. Similarly I didn't use guan yu much since I tend to not use the special often on anything tbh (other than the fists' Demeter aspect)

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thanks for the advice

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Hestia just has massive damage in a single, quick shot, so you are very mobile, can run away a lot and still keep doing damage.

next moss Jul 7, 2021, 8:27 PM

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so i've been doing a few runs to clear up the prophecies i have laying around

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first time using Scintillating Feast

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and Festive Fog really

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it's not as horrible as i'd thought

rigid rover Jul 7, 2021, 10:06 PM

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does breaching slash affect dash strikes?

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:07 PM

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I believe so

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Shadow slash doesn't though

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Correct.

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:26 PM

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What's a good special boon for Achilles? I know on attack you want something like Aphrodite, but I don't know about special

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Don't use the special on Achilles for damage is the short answer

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It's only used to refresh the buff, and for movement

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Also for attack you either want Artemis or Zeus, all other gods aren't great

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I guess you could put aphro/Demeter/Ares on it for the useful status effect

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But it's not important

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:29 PM

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lucid oar Also for attack you either want Artemis or Zeus, all other gods aren't great

Really?

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Yes, because Achilles already has +150% attack damage, aphro doesn't add much, whereas crits scale really well with it

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Also, Zeus is good because you can get jolted and splitting bolt

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Yeah, of course

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Huh

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Heartbreak Strike still adds a lot. Deadly Strike def has better DPS, though, on Achilles Aspect.

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Especially with Hunter's Mark.

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:34 PM

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HS is still solid, it's just that deadly strike is really good

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:34 PM

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The thing is just that for speedruns, only top DPS matters.

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But not every run is that. courte5DusaBond

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I think Achilles fun runs are just cast builds tbh, I don't imagine having fun while going unga-bunga with flurry jab

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Take a spin hammer, have some fun with that.

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Gonna be a very different run.

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I going Zeus attack and Demeter special

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Pretty much just because that's what was offered to me :P

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Sounds good. Look for flurry jab or serrated point. Don't pick any of the spin hammers if you want to see flurry jab

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:45 PM

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LOL

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I got Vicious Skewer because both options were spin Hammers

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:47 PM

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dense lion I got Vicious Skewer because both options were spin Hammers

Unfortunate, but you can still have a fun run

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Have you got jolted?

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Yes, it was Epic

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+106 damage let's goooo

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Like I said, just take spin hammers and have fun with them. You don't have to only play Flurry Jab just because it's meta.

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Something like a Massive Spin build can be very effective.

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Oh yes, I love spin builds. Especially with Hades aspect

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:50 PM

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The spin base damage is actually decent, and you get the bonus damage from Achilles on it.

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Whereas Hades's bonus damage doesn't affect the spin.

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Wait it doesn't?

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:52 PM

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It's strange that it doesn't, it wouldn't make it broken if it did

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I thought the whole point of hades is to spin like daddy

dense lion Jul 7, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I didn't even notice LOL

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I use the spin to "warm up" foes/apply status curses

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And then finish with dash strikes

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:53 PM

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It doesn't because then you'd only use the spin instead of the whole toolset.

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 10:53 PM

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True

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Eh, I feel like that would still be good. Zag aspect uses special (although not really), Achilles uses casts and attacks, and Hades uses spin

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It all works out

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 10:54 PM

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But again every aspect should still be versatile

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Like at least dont make it look like a build is good for one move so i understand ig

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:55 PM

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All non-arthur sword aspects never use the standard attacks, so it's not uncommon for certain moves to just never be used

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:56 PM

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foggy prawn I thought the whole point of hades is to *spin like daddy*

The spin range was just a normal spin until I pointed out in #hades-feedback how underwhelming it felt that you couldn't actually do the cool, big spin that Hades does.

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Next update, we got the big spin we have now. squirtdevious

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Thanks nyaanyaa

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All we need now is for zag spear to have the same throw as EM4 hades

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Lol

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Zag Spear was a lot worse in Early Access.

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Was there not a short period of time where it was quite good, but it got changed?

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 10:59 PM

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All the spears were. Well, Guan Yu was better.

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Maybe it was good before I played.

lucid oar Jul 7, 2021, 11:00 PM

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I never played early access, I'm just going off of what I remember from old YouTube videos

foggy prawn Jul 7, 2021, 11:00 PM

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cunning urchin The spin range was just a normal spin until I pointed out in #hades-feedback how...

Oh damn

cunning urchin Jul 7, 2021, 11:01 PM

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lucid oar All we need now is for zag spear to have the same throw as EM4 hades

It's basically Guan Yu Special before the nerf.

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That's probably how the shades were feeling when you hit them for 50 base damage.

worn meadow Jul 8, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Is it me or is Slicing Shot super useless without Hunting Blades

limber whale Jul 8, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I 1.5th that

worn meadow Jul 8, 2021, 3:13 AM

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Unlike basic Crystal Beam which does some work against stationary Meg or Hydra or the BigPinkBall

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The Slicing Shot just goes do maybe 2 ticks then flies to irrelevant areas

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 3:15 AM

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In smaller styx tunnels it hits enemies more than twice, sometimes

worn meadow Jul 8, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Which is why i wonder what does Hunting Blades build have that Crystal Clarity doesnt?

queen anchor Jul 8, 2021, 3:17 AM

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I'm terrible with the spear

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any build suggestions?

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I can barely clear extreme measures 4 with guan yu spin spamming

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but other than thta I'm kind of at a loss . . .

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 3:56 AM

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worn meadow Which is why i wonder what does Hunting Blades build have that Crystal Clarity d...

Mostly just crowd control.

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Glacial Glare is really just an all-in-one package for supplementary boon, even more than Black Metal and Engulfing Vortex combined.

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I think Vicious Cycle may give Hunting Blades the DPS edge.

queen arrow Jul 8, 2021, 4:15 AM

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queen anchor I can barely clear extreme measures 4 with guan yu spin spamming

Clearing EM4 with spin techniques with GY is pretty awesome!

queen arrow Jul 8, 2021, 4:17 AM

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queen anchor any build suggestions?

Spears in general or GY in particular? Just clarifying.

queen anchor Jul 8, 2021, 4:19 AM

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spears in general

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guan yu is fine but I want to use the other ones

real crest Jul 8, 2021, 8:35 AM

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All of the sword aspects are so good and it annoys me

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Because where do you put your blood into

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:43 AM

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Not excalibur probably

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The blood upgrades for that one look sorta underwhelming from where I'm standing

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(not that damage reduction+projectile slow that can stack with other sources of damage reduction is bad)

languid forum Jul 8, 2021, 8:46 AM

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Yea not Excalibur

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:47 AM

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I've heard the crit one combos well with arti by virtue of base crit chance

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Aspect of zagreus was the move+attack speed one right?

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Some decent hermes buffs or stacking Olympian status effects and you've got a nice build there

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:49 AM

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zag aspect is not very good

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for sword

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:50 AM

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I figured not, the full buff is only 15% or so

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:50 AM

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yea, in addition movement speed doesnt boost ur dmg

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:50 AM

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silk hearth yea, in addition movement speed doesnt boost ur dmg

Referring to the one hermes buff that does

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:51 AM

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its still quite insignificant i think

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with a common hermes boon its 7.5%

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and relying on that is a little iffy

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:52 AM

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Right, fairly situational boon luck

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Posidon sounds okay? Takes focus off the blade and onto casts

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Ironically, the best aspect is the one you probably never even want to invest blood into

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:54 AM

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tough plinth Ironically, the best aspect is the one you probably never even want to invest bl...

r u referring to arthur or poseidon o.o

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:54 AM

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Arthur

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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ive never used poseidon so i cant comment on it

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oh, well to be pedantic nemesis is the best?

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Yeah I think nemesis is better

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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arthur is fun to use though

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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It does rely on chaos though, and double edge

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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I'm not versed with arti enough to comment on crit builds

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Though any backstab related booms are kinda crazy on Arthur

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:56 AM

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it gives 30% crit iirc which is equivalent to a 60% dmg increase, so thats huge
but arthur is kinda slow so thats why its weaker compared to nemesis

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:57 AM

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Shadow slash is a free win 9 times out of 10 with Arthur

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:57 AM

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And that damage increase is multiplicative

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:57 AM

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Or any other weapon probably

silk hearth Jul 8, 2021, 8:57 AM

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yea backstab works well with crit boons since crit boons have lower base dmg

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:58 AM

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Yeah that kinda dettered me from crit at first

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“Yeah, I deal 200% damage now and then, but I only get a 30-40% base damage buff”

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:59 AM

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The thing is, you already get more global damage from the mirror

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Like family favourites

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 8:59 AM

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In my eyes crit and non crit boons had the same DPS over time but varying consistency.
This was before I learned what else arti offered down the line

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:59 AM

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And high confidence if you choose to use it

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:59 AM

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tough plinth In my eyes crit and non crit boons had the same DPS over time but varying consis...

Yes, hunters mark is just OP

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 9:01 AM

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tough plinth In my eyes crit and non crit boons had the same DPS over time but varying consis...

Put simply: I thought it was a choice between 10x damage 1/10 hits vs double damage for every hit

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 9:02 AM

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lucid oar Yes, hunters mark is just OP

How does it fare on bosses?

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 9:02 AM

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Really good if you can make it work

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Can it mark the the foe you crit I mean?

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Furies spawn adds, Lernie has extra heads, there are 2 heroes so you can make it work from that, and you can use the skulls and adds from the Hades fight

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Fair enough, that's what I did whenever I had that one ares boon

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 9:45 AM

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The more damage reduction you already have, the better each additional point of damage reduction is.

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In other words, Excalibur level upgrades are good.

tepid holly Jul 8, 2021, 10:56 AM

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tough plinth Shadow slash is a free win 9 times out of 10 with Arthur

wazzat do?

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i tried using arthur with aphro

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and died at hades

tough plinth Jul 8, 2021, 10:56 AM

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tepid holly wazzat do?

+200% backstab damage

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Arthur already has great burst damage. Combine that with windup/dash cancels and you can get 1000 damage backstabs fairly consistently

tepid holly Jul 8, 2021, 10:58 AM

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hmm

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maybe im just not used to slow weapons

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:43 PM

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So i just unlocked the hidden aspect for my sword, this completely changes everything? Is there a way to turn it off and if so is it best with it turned on or off? And what is the general strategy with it now?

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Turn it off?

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I don't understand the question tbh.

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Yeah like can i go back to the way my weapon was before, so that i don't have this new move set for it

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:45 PM

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you can change aspects

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:45 PM

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you can change ur aspects

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:46 PM

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if you press the "use" button in front of the weapon it will show u the aspect list

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you can choose from there

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:46 PM

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you can still choose zag aspect, nemesis, or poseidon, just pick the weapon u want to use and then press the use weapon in front of the weapoon

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:47 PM

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ohhhh i thought i was using all the aspects at the same time thanks. So for the sword what aspect is best for low heat?

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:47 PM

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whichever one you like

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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well any aspect is good

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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all weapons are viable at every stage of the game

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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except zag

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but even then

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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zag sword 💀

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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its still usable

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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its usable but every other option is better

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:48 PM

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yep

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but u can do a meme healing build with it

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Okay thanks a lot guys!

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 2:50 PM

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pastel root ohhhh i thought i was using all the aspects at the same time thanks. So for the ...

Excalibur allows you to make the most mistakes and still get a win.

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Okay, well it seems pretty good just feel very slow

raw blade Jul 8, 2021, 2:51 PM

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it hits like a truck

foggy prawn Jul 8, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Gives you extra health and damage reduction area with ur special

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Hallowed Ground reduces damage, slows down enemies and projectiles, disables most traps, and lets you walk on magma.

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And 50 extra HP right from the start is a lot.

pastel root Jul 8, 2021, 2:54 PM

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It is very powerful just got to adjust to being slow, thanks for the help have a good day!

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 2:55 PM

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You don't have to adjust too much, even, you can just stumble your way through the game because you're so tanky.

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But it's definitely not a top pick for speedruns.

graceful pagoda Jul 8, 2021, 3:22 PM

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any recommendations on what boons and duos is good for the hestia aspect?

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Heartbreak/deadly strike is good on attack, tidal dash is good, and any good call and smoldering air is always good

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Good calls include Zeus' or Dionysus'

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or vice versa into Heart Rend is very powerful. Tidal Dash is best. Cast doesn't matter.

rigid rover Jul 8, 2021, 4:17 PM

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is there a way to make hangover very strong?

rich scaffold Jul 8, 2021, 4:18 PM

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rigid rover is there a way to make hangover very strong?

hangover on the shield's special is really good to me

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but idk im just a new player

slender ridge Jul 8, 2021, 4:21 PM

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can someone explain personal liability to me? like i don't really understand its description

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 4:24 PM

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rigid rover is there a way to make hangover very strong?

hangover is strongest on effects that activate very quickly

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if you take a bunch of damage at once, you get an immunity bubble for a second

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PL removes that

slender ridge Jul 8, 2021, 4:27 PM

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how much damage does it take to activate that shield? don't think i noticed it on my first save file

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 4:28 PM

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rigid rover is there a way to make hangover very strong?

Put as many poms as possible into it, hangover is always +1 damage per pom after level 2

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Also the duo boons, low tolerance and curse of nausea

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And global damage helps a ton

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 5:30 PM

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rama builds?

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Attack, and Hangover, Doom, or Lightning on Special.

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With all the usual t2 boons you would get for those.

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Hunter Dash is amazing. Tidal Dash and Divine Dash are also decent.

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If you have Deadly Strike, Passion Dash for Heart Rend is great, too.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 5:32 PM

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thanks!

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repulse shot or explosive shot (hammer)? (third option is sniper shot)

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 5:46 PM

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explosive shot will make the pullback really really slow on rama

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i like it that way, but it can kill runs for some people

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it deals big damage

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 5:47 PM

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well assuming it's good for the bosses, i can always resort to special against mobs.

raw junco Jul 8, 2021, 5:47 PM

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What's a good build for Aspect of Zeus? Zeus or Athena on special?

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 PM

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people like zeus special on zeus

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I'm not sure how well athena does on it

raw junco Jul 8, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Sorry, meant Arthemis

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Thanks for the response!

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 5:51 PM

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ancient mauve repulse shot or explosive shot (hammer)? (third option is sniper shot)

Explosive is fine. It's not optimal, but not every build is optimal, anyway.

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Does more for your DPS than the other two, anyway.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 5:52 PM

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man. this rama thing. holy mother.

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i love this attack.

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and i guess i agree with you @boreal prism.
shot setup is harder but result quite satisfying.

rich scaffold Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/grimace-cat-grimace-cat-cats-cat-fun-gif-17582724

Tenor

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 5:53 PM

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i wish rama was like that from the start hehe

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 5:54 PM

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man. this thing is insane

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feels like heris without need for charging and aoe.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:24 PM

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twin shot on rama.

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just got it.

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didn't imagine it was possible.

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 6:38 PM

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you got twin and explosive?

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i dunno if you can deal more damage than that on rama

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Triple Explosive Point-Blank.

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 6:39 PM

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oooo

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:43 PM

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well, while theoretically true, in practice it's a lot harder to land, i imagine.

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i was doing 1200 to hades each shot

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 6:43 PM

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yeah really nice build

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:45 PM

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sword's thirsting now. which one is the one to spend titan blood in?

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nemesis i assume?

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arthur is heavy and fun, but too slow

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Nemesis if you want to play base sword but much stronger, Poseidon if you want a Cast build with sword to supplement your damage.

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Poseidon Cast builds are mainly with lodging Casts.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:48 PM

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i never use casts to be honest.

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i mean never.

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farthest i go is using them to charge up heris/beowulf shots.

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Since non-lodging Casts are just better on Achilles.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 PM

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or get rid of charges for demeter bonuses on no charges

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but i know there's a +20% damage

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Well, it might be fun to try out Poseidon then, and go all in with a Phalanx Shot build, perhaps.

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There's also the fact that the two main combos for sword at a high level are: Special > Dash-Strike x2 and Cast > Dash-Strike x2.

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Nemesis does more of the former, and Poseidon does more of the latter at least early on in the run until you crank up your Cast damage so much, they just kill everything for you.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:52 PM

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nemesis it is then. i never liked casting.

boreal prism Jul 8, 2021, 6:52 PM

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aphrodite cast poseidon is so different from what buttons i usually press it's refreshing

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but nemesis is just crit good :)

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 6:54 PM

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i assume artemis is core on nemesis build?

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 7:01 PM

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Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 7:52 PM

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cunning urchin Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Heart Rend.

hammers?

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Double edge

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 7:56 PM

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is double nova good?

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double nova, cruel thrust, hoarding slash.

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i assume cruel thrust isn't too useful since i'll be dash-attacking most of the time?

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 7:57 PM

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take nova

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:05 PM

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what are the good gods besides artemis and aphrodite for nemesis?

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ares? zeus?

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 8:06 PM

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ME

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:10 PM

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ancient mauve what are the good gods besides artemis and aphrodite for nemesis?

If you're running Heart Rend, you can splash Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air (and maybe Lightning Rod if you're running Infernal Soul), Lady Athena for Divine Dash, Poseidon for Tidal Dash, Lady Demeter for Ravenous Will... that sort of thing.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:11 PM

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i got artemis on attack and dash. aphrodite on specil. i assume cast is whatever. artemis call is always my favorite regardless of build.

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it's just way too satisfying to pass up on a greater artemis call.

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not when hades goes "darkness!" right after i use it though

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Well, use it immediately after he comes out of invisibility, then.

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Most reliable method to hit your Call.

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Not even necessarily immediately after.

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He needs to do er... 3 actions after using invis before he can use invis again.

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I think it was 3.

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM

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When you are on PB pace it seems to be 1 action

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM

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is there anything better than a two-god chamber?

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Best time is right after he whiffed a spin, because he's in recovery for a long time. You can dash right behind him and backstab with your full Artemis' Aid.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM

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there's absolutely no better sensation in this game than a two-god chamber with the two most important gods to my build

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM

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ancient mauve is there anything better than a two-god chamber?

You can't get duos with trials btw

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:18 PM

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hm. interesting. i didn't know that.

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makes sense since they get mad.

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:18 PM

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You can still get legendarys though

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:18 PM

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the dialogue would be weird

sonic mural Jul 8, 2021, 8:18 PM

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ancient mauve is there anything better than a two-god chamber?

Yah, not dying to a god trial

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Keep in mind that the two gods that are core to your build are not necessarily the most important anymore after you got what you wanted from them.

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The value from trials is usually so high that it's almost always the right choice imo unless you're speedrunning or in Elysium and really pressed for time.

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If the trial is not good, your run probably sucks already anyway, because that means you have two gods in your pool that you don't want. You should at least want boons from one of them.

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Unless your build is already done and you just want poms now.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:21 PM

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cunning urchin Keep in mind that the two gods that are core to your build are not necessarily t...

i only assume additional boons from the same gods will have synergy. though i know it's not always the case.

sonic mural Jul 8, 2021, 8:23 PM

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The only secondary boons i think are important are jolted, breaking wave, and impending doom

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Synergy shmynergy. You want to add more sources of damage to your build most of the time. That's the way you wanna look at it.

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That or get something that really amplifies the damage you deal.

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Like if you have crits, Hunter's Mark is amazing and Heart Rend is amazing.

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That also has synergy with crits.

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Tidal Dash doesn't have any inherent synergy with your crit build, but it adds a lot of damage.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:25 PM

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wow

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unhealthy fixation or smoldering air

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:26 PM

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What's your Call? Artemis' Aid?

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:26 PM

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unhealthy fixation sounds more useful for shield guys and the rest of his turf

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zeus call

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Smoldering Air.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:27 PM

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i know it's more dps for bosses, but i'd like to know how good the heart thing is. i never had it before.

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at least i don't recall so and being a legendary i'm sure i would

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shield guys are what give me the most trouble in this game

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:27 PM

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You should see a prophecy symbol on Unhealthy Fixation if you didn't get it before.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:27 PM

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the respawning weapon elysium guys overall

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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I've never found charmed to be that useful tbh, I don't know if that's the general consensus

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Smoldering Air Zeus' Aid would take care of Greatshields.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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hmm. can't block the lightning strikes?

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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charmed is good but I wouldnt take it over dps

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Right.

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Charm is amazing, but most people, to be perfectly honest, suck at using it. courte5DusaBond

lucid oar Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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True

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Aside from maybe perma-charming bosses.

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But in any regular encounters, I see people say Charm doesn't do much, then they charm enemies that have 5 HP or charm enemies that just did an attack and are still recovering from that or charm enemies and then kill them right off instead of focusing on others...

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:30 PM

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smoldering air it is.

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 8:31 PM

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gonna be honest, im leaving charmed enemies alive and they dont do anything most of the time

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Yeah, that used to happen to me a lot, but I get better at timing it.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:32 PM

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lol almost perma zeus call

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:32 PM

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And... I've stopped charming Strongbows. I have no idea how to time my Charm to make them do anything. courte5Ohno

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 8:33 PM

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they never do anything right lol

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I think their AI wants to get into a certain distance from enemies, but there are too many enemies, so they never figure out where to go to start an attack? Maybe? I don't know.

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I've probably charmed more Strongbows than anyone else, and I still can't figure it out. 9 out of 10 times, they just run around or stand around and do nothing at all. courte5Ohno

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Buuut, one other thing I find that helps a lot with getting value out of your charms is to put poms on your Call for better duration. That way, you won't have to worry about timing your Charms at all.

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I only really pom rare or epic Aphrodite's Aid, though.

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Common I only really use for Greater Call.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:36 PM

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shadow slash / breaching slash. third is flurry which i know is xêt

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Breaching is the only one out of those that works on Dash-Strikes and isn't Flurry.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:36 PM

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so dash-strikes can't backstab?

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i'm on pc, i can dash strike "backwards"

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i mean, dash west, striking east, for example

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but well you can also dash-strike foward into an enemy's back side too

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and talking about strikes, my double nova special seems way stronger than my attack.

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oh it's a hard coded limitation. just saw on wiki

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is pressure points good?
alternative is lightning rod which i never really saw the point
and artemis cast which is my favorite (coolest, no idea if it's the best)

atomic bolt Jul 8, 2021, 8:48 PM

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i'm not a speciallist but i usually take epic pressure points only

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i think lightning rod is ok too

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 8:49 PM

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pp good

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:51 PM

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yeah pressure point was epic. i took it.

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:52 PM

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ancient mauve so dash-strikes can't backstab?

Dash-Strikes can backstab. The hammer upgrade Shadow Slash just doesn't apply to Dash-Strikes.

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 8:53 PM

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ancient mauve is pressure points good? alternative is lightning rod which i never really saw t...

Lightning Rod is good, yes.

atomic bolt Jul 8, 2021, 8:53 PM

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ancient mauve yeah pressure point was epic. i took it.

noice

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 8:54 PM

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can't wait for my next "round" of runs. extreme measures at 3 will be baseline

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theseus's maniacal laughter always makes me smile

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holy mother

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dialogues are so good

dense lion Jul 8, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Heck yeah

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10/10

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 9:00 PM

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this game does too many things too well.
deserves all the praise.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 9:25 PM

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rama: point-blank shot, tripe shot, chain shot.

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chain shot looks really good thinking elysium

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i know it's a waste on bosses

turbid needle Jul 8, 2021, 9:25 PM

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triple is the best

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 9:26 PM

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alright. let's see if i can get a triple explosion lol

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not sure how good i can put this to overall, but the hydra will suffer.

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man. this rama thins is absolutely insane lol

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 10:48 PM

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is any other bow ever better than rama in any situation?

cunning urchin Jul 8, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Hera is the best bow for speedruns.

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 10:49 PM

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why the difference?

proven osprey Jul 8, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Hera's better because of the snowball potential : poms in cast, mirage shot, Demeter boons etc

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Rama is really good at dealing with stuff with a poor build

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On the other hand it does not have this super scaling stuff

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 10:52 PM

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understood.

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point-black shot vs perfect shot?

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triple-shot rama so far

proven osprey Jul 8, 2021, 10:52 PM

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As you grind heat Rama will outclass Hera by far

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Point blank very nice with triple

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 10:53 PM

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i don't think i've ever managed to land a triple-hit

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don't see myself doing it to be honest. too beyond my skill.

proven osprey Jul 8, 2021, 10:53 PM

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It's hard to get used too, but you don't have to do it every time. You can just get benefit from the triple aoe

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It's well worth it on bosses though

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It requires openings knowledge

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If you're not used to it, twin shot and perfect shot is an awesome combo

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 10:58 PM

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lol

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landed one on the bull

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1920

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worth it already

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yeah. definitely possible, but gotta hug foe

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now imagine landing a triple explosive perfect power shot

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dude

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honestly

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isn't rama a little too overpowered?

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 11:24 PM

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No gilgamesh is

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 11:26 PM

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you kid

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i was told gilgamesh is xêt

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Yeah gilgamesh is extremely xêt

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 11:29 PM

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it's cool. like arthur sword. i liked the coolness factor.
gilgamesh made me feel like a pouncing tiger, but it didn't work out as well as i expected.

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but i assume you kid.

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Yeah I was joking

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Gilgamesh is the worst aspect in the game imo

ancient mauve Jul 8, 2021, 11:37 PM

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are there community guides on established builds for every weapon/aspect?

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checked pinned out but couldn't find any

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what goes best with zag exagryph, zeus attack?

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 11:41 PM

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ancient mauve are there community guides on established builds for every weapon/aspect?

People on this server have made guides for weapons but I'm not gonna try and find them

strange lark Jul 8, 2021, 11:41 PM

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ancient mauve what goes best with zag exagryph, zeus attack?

Yeah zeus attack works well with it but I think that artemis attack with spread fire has more dps

worn meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Which builds even use Stygian Soul?

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Non-lodging casts, so demeter, ares and Dionysus

worn meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:47 AM

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Wouldnt three beams be better?

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 12:48 AM

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You can high-roll for extra casts from chaos

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2 every 3 seconds is better than 4

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But you might not get lucky

worn meadow Jul 9, 2021, 12:48 AM

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Yeah i didnt factor Chaos

sonic mural Jul 9, 2021, 2:10 AM

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its better for regular non-cast builds too

tough plinth Jul 9, 2021, 2:16 AM

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ancient mauve what goes best with zag exagryph, zeus attack?

demeter ice explosion and the rapid fire hammer go pretty well with the ammo capacity

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if you get the hermes attack speed boon on top of those then you've got a pretty decent gun build, so long as you apply more status effects with your other attacks

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 2:54 AM

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sonic mural its better for regular non-cast builds too

Infernal is often better because it gives you early DPS. Even base Casts can supplement your damage nicely.

sonic mural Jul 9, 2021, 3:05 AM

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oh ok i thought it was better for Ravenous Will and better chances at good hermes boons

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Depends on aspect. Like swords really like Infernal Soul. Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is faster than Special > Dash-Strike x2.

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And that's often enough to kill things, too.

proven osprey Jul 9, 2021, 6:53 AM

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ancient mauve isn't rama a little too overpowered?

Yeah it has a lot of tools in its kit compared to some aspects

slender ridge Jul 9, 2021, 10:12 AM

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are there any weapon aspects that are bad and should be avoided?

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also how do i get the hidden aspects?

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 10:13 AM

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All of the aspects are perfectly viable.

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Hidden aspect requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.

slender ridge Jul 9, 2021, 10:14 AM

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thank you!

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Some will be better or worse, but they're all unique in a way.

tiny veldt Jul 9, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Is the discount card permanent

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 11:36 AM

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tiny veldt Is the discount card permanent

No, it lasts for the remainder of the escape attempt

tiny veldt Jul 9, 2021, 11:37 AM

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Oh

mossy finch Jul 9, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Its also important to note that certain aspects like guan yu and hestia require a lot of titan blood to start being useful

tiny veldt Jul 9, 2021, 12:08 PM

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What’s hestia again?

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Rail with empowered Shots. 2 or 3 upgrades should be enough to start using it though.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 1:10 PM

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is hestia used like a "sniper" (one shot + reload)?

plucky harbor Jul 9, 2021, 1:13 PM

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ancient mauve is hestia used like a "sniper" (one shot + reload)?

no, but you can only get empowered shot whenever you reload

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 1:25 PM

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ancient mauve is hestia used like a "sniper" (one shot + reload)?

That's how it's best played, by shooting one shot then reloading.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 1:28 PM

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And Special every second reload.

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As in, press reload + Special at the same time.

foggy prawn Jul 9, 2021, 1:50 PM

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do you guys rebind the reload button on controller?

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Yes.

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LB/L1.

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 1:53 PM

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LT for me

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LB is cast on Hera/Beowulf

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 1:58 PM

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I use it for Cast on Hera and Beowulf, too.

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It's kind of the same function.

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 2:43 PM

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i am going into thesius austerius boss with a hidden fists tidal dash build and got a posiedon boon at charon with the option for razor shoals or wave pounding which should i pick?

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Rarity of each?

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Actually, just take the one with the highest rarity, they are both good options

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 2:47 PM

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razor shoals common and wave pounding epic

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Wave pounding then

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 2:49 PM

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k thx

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Both of those boons are okay at common, but quite good at epic, unlike some boons where rarity doesn't really matter, like Zeus' aid or impending doom

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Zeus' Aid rarity definitely makes a difference.

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Like very big difference. Common vs Epic is a 70 base damage difference.

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I don't like taking common Zeus' Aid.

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 2:56 PM

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It's all relative though, because at level 1, epic static discharge is 1.8-2× better than common, but epic Zeus' aid is only 1.2× better than common

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Relative damage doesn't matter. Actual damage does.

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Epic PP is 2x better than common, but the rarity doesn't matter much at all.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 2:59 PM

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What are the numbers on Zeus Aid again? I feel like i'm misremembering them right now.

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 3:00 PM

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50,55,60 for common,rare,epic

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Ah, right. and first Pom was like 10 or 20?

lucid oar Jul 9, 2021, 3:00 PM

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First pom is 20

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Then 14

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Zeus' Aid hits 7 times.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Well defintely rather Pom than ambrosia it on Eurydice shadesmile , which i think is the primary Question of is Rarity good.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:04 PM

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70 base damage is the difference between actually killing off enemies or not. If you're not hitting damage breakpoints reliably, common is a lot worse than 83% as good as epic.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Depends on overall hitrate.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Yes, if you don't hit all 7 bolts it's not 70, but you get my point.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:06 PM

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I do know your Point.

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Though if i think about a Call i'm generally hitting and killing many enemies, which convolutes the whole thing.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Well, the more enemies you hit with your lightning bolts, the greater the difference in actual damage.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:10 PM

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You know what, i think we don't have an actual case/question here just in general how much does Rarity matter on that boon. Idk what to actually argue.

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Better Rarity is good.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:16 PM

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I can tell you from using Smoldering Air + Zeus' Aid in probably a third of my runs or something, common feels quite sad compared to rare or epic. It often just leaves enemies alive with pixel health when epic would have finished them off easily. And the difference grows larger the more you add boons like Billowing Strength, Double Strike, etc.

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I'll still take it depending on what else is offered.

hoary slate Jul 9, 2021, 3:18 PM

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The more you use it, the Rarity will matter more, obviously.

cunning urchin Jul 9, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Indeed.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:07 PM

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does 'hoarding slash' "stack" with nemesis and artemis crit bonuses?

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i mean. can "money" "crit"?

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got this hammer choice: "hoarding slash", "breaching slash", "cruel thrust"

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:08 PM

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nah it cant

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gte breaching

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:08 PM

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breaching all day

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:08 PM

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too bad. breaching it is.

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:09 PM

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and does hoarding slash even offer crit bonus

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isnt it just attack buff

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i might be wrong

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i dont play it much

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:11 PM

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damage bonus from money

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my question was if the bonus was multiplied on crits. answer is no from what i understood.

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:12 PM

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none of the bonuses are multiplied in this game i think

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they are all added

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:14 PM

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yeah its just added at the end

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so its just +whatever money you have

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:27 PM

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is world splitter good?

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or super nova better?

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Aspect?

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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i'd take super nova

strange lark Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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yeah same

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world splitter isnt good

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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yeah

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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World Splitter is fine.

raw blade Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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its liek heavy knuckle on fists

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:30 PM

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It's just not Double-Edge.

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Super Nova's certainly better.

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But WS builds are perfectly fine if you're not speedrunning or grinding high Heat.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:33 PM

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turbid needle Aspect?

nemesis

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Yeah, World Splitter is perfectly fine.

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Super Nova's range is very nice, though.

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I really like it, I think it's fun.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:34 PM

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that increased base damage from world splitter applies to dash-strikes and is also multiplied on crits right?

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:35 PM

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You can also get weird with it and alternate the chop and Nova.

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No.

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Just for your standing Attack.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:36 PM

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but it's multiplied on crits at least i assume?

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Of course.

ancient mauve Jul 9, 2021, 6:36 PM

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well super nova does sound overall better (i special more often than i no-dash-attack)

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Your base damage on standing Attack becomes 90, boons use that as your new base for calculation.

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Yeah, that's the way to play Stygius, unfortunately.

rigid rover Jul 9, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Can someone explain why merciful end is considered so strong. Never played it before but deflect skills causing doom doesn’t sound that strong to me on paper? I don’t really understand

boreal prism Jul 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Athena dash

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Doom has quite high base damage, and is mostly balanced by the timer.

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Using Divine Dash as a detonator means you can fire off lots of Dooms very quickly.

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Add Impending Doom onto this and damage gets very silly very quickly.

rigid rover Jul 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Doom doesn’t stack tho does it?

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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No, you place and detonate it rapidly.

edgy mauve Jul 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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its not about stakcing its about dealing beeg number very rapidly

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and u can do it quite fast with merciful end and even more with impending because negate the debuff of the longer cooldown on doom

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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In one Dash-Strike with the right set-up you'll lay and detonate a Doom for what could be upwards of 500 damage.

edgy mauve Jul 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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u can get upwards to 800

rigid rover Jul 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Wait how do you get your doom to do more damage?

edgy mauve Jul 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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poms + impending

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Poms, Impending Doom, Family Favorite or Privileged Status.

rigid rover Jul 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Ok I see and merficul end let’s you get more dooms off

turbid needle Jul 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Yes.