can blade rifts crit
#h1-builds-and-combat
hollow wraith
hollow wraith
nice that's exactly the boon. I'll get it then
slim lynx
if you already have pressure points try to go for exit wounds or support fire if you can, it lets you get fully loaded which is +2 casts
you shouldn't prioritize getting fully loaded because it's simply so difficult to try to get but ideally speaking you should have it
mild raft
You can't get exit wounds with a cast that doesn't lodge
turbid needle
Hey guys. I've been struggling a bit with the claws. Could anyone give me some tips on which gods to go for with them?
mild raft
so you would need support fire and pressure points specifically
slim lynx
which is why i wouldn't prioritize it personally
mild raft
Hey guys. I've been struggling a bit with the claws. Could anyone give me some t...
do you mean gilga or the fists in general?
turbid needle
The fists in general. I'm trying to unlock Gilga actually haha
mild raft
Well fists really like having zeus on attack which helps a lot with room clearing
strange lark
Hey guys. I've been struggling a bit with the claws. Could anyone give me some t...
hold attack, dash strike, hold attack, dash strike
basically how you play fists
slim lynx
yeah i can't think of anything better for clearing out enemies then lightning strike
mild raft
And if you already have zeus you can try and grab his call and then put Aphrodite on special or dash and go for Smoldering Air
that duo is nuts with Zeus call
slim lynx
if you're using demeter, definitely get deadly flourish
strange lark
talos you should pull enemies in and immediately dash away
performing the special on talos is not ideal
also a good hammer to get on all aspects (except gilga) is long knuckle
slim lynx
you can't get long knuckle on gilga ๐
strange lark
yeah
turbid needle
Alright, those are all really nice tips. Thank you guys, I'll make sure to call good old perv uncle Zeus more
mild raft
makes Lernie free basically
slim lynx
breaching cross is likely by far the best hammer on fists
strange lark
and for dem you should get explosive upper, makes the dash special explode, and the explosions ramp up with the level of the aspect
max rank=5 explosions
mild raft
dash special*
slim lynx
if you can't get explosive upper though then kinetic launcher is a great alternative
slim lynx
demeter didn't seem like much to me at first and then i immediately got slapped in the face with how dummy strong deadly flourish is on it
strange lark
deadly flourish on dem is epic
turbid needle
Yeah I was thinking of trying that out. Artemis is best bae, so it's perfect
I'm a try all these things and try not to get my brain flooded haha thanks
slim lynx
deadly flourish also lets you get support fire which is super nice extra dps on fists
mild raft
Oh yea for sure
Support fire is really good on any fast attacking weapon like fists or gun
or zag sword
slim lynx
support fire on eris needs to be talked about more
strange lark
~~or zag sword~~
no
turbid needle
Oh ye I always love getting Support Fire
mild raft
Support Fire on Eris is slept on so hard
Cause the global bonus damage applies to them as well
mild raft
and no one really talks about it
strange lark
but the game hates me
slim lynx
everyone is always like "get lightning strike and tidal dash" which is great but you literally have two slots in your god pool to fill!! and deadly flourish on eris is great so why not also go for support fire
slim lynx
also interesting to know is that hangover is affected by eris
mild raft
Everything is
slim lynx
so drunken strike could totally work, i wanna try that out sometime
slim lynx
yeah i know it's global
mild raft
Everything that comes from Zagreus is affected by eris
slim lynx
mild raft
the only damage that isn't increased are traps and summons
vagrant maple
drunken strike is pretty good damage, it's just slower for room clear
he DOT makes clearing mid sized enemies a bit annoying
but it is still quite good
also if you use splash dash properly it is absurd damage. Often more than zeus attack
slim lynx
on a side note though this is what society would be like if summons were affected by damage modifiers:
strange lark
on a side note though this is what society would be like if summons were affecte...
but they kinda are
sweet surrender
makes them deal more damage to weak enemies
and i think targeting system also affects summons too
mild raft
Anything that causes enemies to take more damage affects any damage source
we were talking about this yesterday with Privileged Status and whether it affects enemies or Zag in terms of specific damage
patent raven
Just pulled Sweet Nectar, Exclusive Access and Second Wave at a Poseidon boon. I wanted Sea Storm.
No dice, either.
strange lark
what is your build?
patent raven
Achilles spear, Poseidon attack, Aphrodite special, Zeus aid. I already picked EA.
Iโm now at a Poseidon/Zeus trial. I will HOPEFULLY get Sea Storm here.
mild raft
You can't get duos in trials
jovial fulcrum
hmm, Triple Beam or Concentrated Beam?
Both seem great, leaning Triple because zooooz attack
patent raven
You can't get duos in trials
Dang it. Well, it makes sense now, anyway. I got Razor Shoals, though, which is working out great right now, of course.
lime jolt
You can't get duos in trials
^
patent raven
Plus, itโs Epic, because of the Exclusive Access.
jovial fulcrum
shoals is so good
mild raft
Purple rupture is pretty good
patent raven
Just got Sea Storm with Triple Flurry Jab. Weโre OK now.
strange lark
Mobbing is super easy, but bosses just bend me over
bro what do you mean by "bend me over"
jovial fulcrum
they screw me ||( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)||
strange lark
oh no
valid dagger
๐
unique shale
Took Beowulf aspect and Got Flood Flare + Sea Storm +Heaven's Vengeance + Jolted + Rupture + Tidal Dash + Zeus Aid
Dang Papa melted on EM4
Had Conch shell on hand but Zeus' appearance was unexpected. Damn those two are OP
mild raft
Your bull rush and attack proc it though
jovial fulcrum
status from Hades spear counts towards Priv Stat???
oh nevermind, I have frozen touch and just forgot about it
was like "i only have shoals tho"
austere hollow
How the F are you supposed to use cold embrace? It's difficult AF
mild raft
stand near the enemies
austere hollow
Came into TheSterius battle with full DD and couldn't complete it
I'm still quite a novice, only took it to complete the fates list thing
jovial fulcrum
Asterius miniboss is scary af when you're still learning the game
since its, like, pretty much just a normal boss
split relic
Ye
But it does help u basically know the figh
Fight*
Since asterius imo is the harder part of the fight
jovial fulcrum
in EM3 for sure.
Without EM3, idk. I usually try to get rid of Theseus first in that case
static ibex
what are some good Aspects for running Ares? Need to complete all my duos and Ares is my last as I generally avoid him
turbid needle
Whaaat? Why avoid ares!!?? He so good!!
I would go for Beowulf tho ngl I tried doom on beo special and it pretty good
jovial fulcrum
what are some good Aspects for running Ares? Need to complete all my duos and Ar...
pretty much anything, if you go for a Merciful End build.
What's your favorite aspect
jovial fulcrum
probably
turbid needle
Whoa epic
unique shale
Flood Flare doesnt proc Sea Storm <:pepehands:818856719198584832>
Tidal Dash does though
strange lark
Flood Flare doesnt proc Sea Storm <:pepehands:818856719198584832>
wait it doesnt?
weird
im pretty sure you can get sea storm with flood flare
unique shale
Aye. Will try to get the screenshot later.
turbid needle
Oh ok
honest wing
mfw when shield attack procs sea storm but flood shot doesnt
static ibex
guess i could chiron ares attack + whatever on special
unique shale
Yea but the sea storm doesn't proc only for the Shield right? I'm sure it did for Tidal Dash though
strange lark
Yea but the sea storm doesn't proc only for the Shield right? I'm sure it did fo...
anything that knocks enemies away... but not flood flare
so shield attacks
honest wing
guess i could chiron ares attack + whatever on special
nah dude best build is fists with ares attack athena special and athena dash, try to get their duo boon merciful end, and dash attack
any fist aspect works
strange lark
and maybe sword special
honest wing
chaos shield with ares special also works
honest wing
and maybe sword special
yea that also does it, sword thrust too I think
unique shale
anything that knocks enemies away... but not flood flare
Ahh right understood
turbid needle
seastorm procs on poseidon core boons
mystic barn
Anyone got good builds that have lighting strike and divine dash, im new to the game /:
strange lark
Anyone got good builds that have lighting strike and divine dash, im new to the ...
what weapon do you want the build to be on?
valid dagger
Anyone got good builds that have lighting strike and divine dash, im new to the ...
Eris and Achilles aspect can make good use out of Zeus attack, the Dash can go on anything and be good tbh, I would say try not to force it/rely on it:
-For Eris hammers you'd ideally want Rocket Bomb and Cluster, Triple and Targetting System are okay just not as good as the first 2 mentionned, aim for Static Discharge from Zeus, and you've got a decent build going, other things to make your build stronger would be an Aphro core boon (ideally special), Zeus Call and aim for Smoldering Air, possibly Double Strike and Billowing aswell from Zeus, Artemis or any % increase boon should also work well on the special, Artemis and Aphro are best.
-For Achilles aim for Flurry Jab, the second hammer wont really matter much since Flurry Jab does a lot of the heavy lifting, same boon suggestions, except on Achilles, the boon on your Special doesnt do much (not a damage source) so Artemis is worse than Aphro here, since she activates Lightning Rod (Artemis + Zeus) which is not good unless you're intentionally building around which we're not doing here, the Zeus Aphro Duo with a Zeus call (ideal) would do much better
mystic barn
wow
strange lark
Eris and Achilles aspect can make good use out of Zeus attack, the Dash can go o...
they're new so dont confuse him with aspects
mystic barn
thats a alot
valid dagger
oh lol
mystic barn
the weopan i want is the first sword i tried out the bow but i dont really like it even tho it does damage
should i wait till i unlock all the weopans or somthing?
strange lark
should i wait till i unlock all the weopans or somthing?
yes
mystic barn
like is the first sword a bad weopan to build on
mystic barn
ok?
strange lark
i dont really want to spoil the game for you
strange lark
oh
mystic barn
nono
strange lark
so no spoilers?
mystic barn
i mean like dont spoil
strange lark
ok
mystic barn
yeah
im just saying thx for saying that before u said anything
that would have spoiled
turbid needle
go to new players channel if you dont want to be spoiled
people here talk about spoilers a lot
valid dagger
Well yea, Zeus attack is alright on first sword but not really that good, on Bow is really bad, Zeus attack works best on fast hitting weapons, so on Sword its mediocre, your hits are not too fast not too slow, flurry can make them faster but its an average hammer overall. On bow your hits are slow and rely on powershots somewhat so a % increase attack would do better
mystic barn
which boon should i get from posiedon
i just died and met him
im guessing i should get the epic one since its the only epic one there but im not sure
boreal prism
yeah go for it
mystic barn
ok
cunning urchin
Hey guys. I've been struggling a bit with the claws. Could anyone give me some t...
See if that helps. #h1-builds-and-combat message
boreal prism
i remember a chat about how rarity increases affect duo chances
does "exclusive access" increase duo chances too?
strange lark
i think it turns all boons into epic boons and nothing else
if you want to increase duo chances then take all the string that you can and put on the yellow mirror upgrade (the second to last one)
olive mural
I just finished up a run with Exclusive Access and I can attest that Duo rate is unaffected, since that's dependent on multi-god boons.
proven osprey
if you want to increase duo chances then take all the string that you can and pu...
And Yarn/Refreshing Nectar/God's keepsake
silver summit
Favor from chaos doesn't increase Duo chance either
it only increases leg and epic according to wiki
proven osprey
and chaos rarity
strange lark
And Yarn/Refreshing Nectar/God's keepsake
when i said string i meant yarn
proven osprey
It also works on duos
strange lark
idk why i called it string tho
silver summit
It also works on duos
i'd add it to wiki but i'm not 100% sure so i won't take risks lul
olive mural
I decided to try to make a crit build for the bow for this run and I got more than I asked for.
Hangover Normal + Hangover stacks increase Crit Chance
Crit Special
Weak Cast + Weak enemies take +150% crit damage
What would I add to that
That's starting Elysium, so there's plaenty of room to grow
strange lark
proven osprey
when i said string i meant yarn
Oh yeah I understood that as "All the strings you could pull is the mirror upgrade" 
strange lark
lmao
olive mural
Clean Kill
Got it
cunning urchin
it only increases leg and epic according to wiki
Legendary and Duo Boons are both legendary tier. They're in the same pool. All items and boons that give +% chance for Rare or better also increase legendary/duo chance by +10%.
opal lodge
chaos rarity increases all types
proven osprey
Bright you cleared 50 heat Nem
cunning urchin
Exclusive Access doesn't affect duo/legendary chance.
real orchid
man i did not realize how much the mirror effect that increases chances of boon/hammer rooms helped until i took it off to get more darkness
i'm in styx rn with like five boons ๐ฐ
probably gonna die on final boss cause i do zero damage lmao
strange lark
what boons do you have?
real orchid
artemis attack poseidon special dio cast and then some random hermes stuff and sweet nectar/reduced damage below 40% hp boon
wish i had enough darkness to afford those reroll tokens lmao i got some garbage options even when cast,dash and call were all open
i was able to scrape together a dash and a call in styx and barely beat him lol
at least i got decent darkness from it
opal lodge
yeah dark foresight is strong
frosty void
If anyone knows do the Lightning Bolts from Lightning Rod and Scintillating Feast benefit from +% Cast damage increases?
real orchid
currently getting the god run if i dont get sub 20 now it's all over
chiron || em1 td2 bp1 || run with epic artemis special, poseidon dash, daed hammer (+% and piercing to armor) and zeus call already in tartarus
valid dagger
do it
somber drum
What's a good keepsake to put on in Asphodel and really tip the odds in your favor? Maybe Distant Memory?
real orchid
if you dont have a specific boon youre going for i think the best is usually hourglass?
cunning urchin
If anyone knows do the Lightning Bolts from Lightning Rod and Scintillating Feas...
They don't.
Cast damage bonus only affects your base cast or core boon.
strange lark
If anyone knows do the Lightning Bolts from Lightning Rod and Scintillating Feas...
all duos cannot be pommed and are not effected by other boons, but they can apply status effects and are effected by eris and sweet surrender
real orchid
eurydice hit my flourish and set it to heroic ๐ฉ it's all over now boys
cunning urchin
What's a good keepsake to put on in Asphodel and really tip the odds in your fav...
What's your build and aspect? What Heat?
strange lark
dps mod?
somber drum
What's your build and aspect? What Heat?
That was for @real orchid who has all the boons they need in Tartarus
strange lark
oh
frosty void
Thanks Mewmew and ่ขๅฟๅฎ
cunning urchin
@real orchid what do you have on Attack?
real orchid
oh lol yeah i put on aphrodite keepsake for asphodel so i could get her attack and go for duo boon
^
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's the best play.
real orchid
in elysium i'll probably do cthonic purse then either hourglass or tooth for styx depending on how good i'm feeling
got her attack, rare sadly but still good
ugh thanatos room
cunning urchin
Rare Heartbreak Strike is very good.
And Thanatos encounters are great. Free Centaur Heart.
turbid needle
I checked it out, thank you Nyaanyaa
cunning urchin
lol no free Centaur Heart after all.
real orchid
turns out poseidon dash makes it kinda hard to aim ๐ค
the dash damage vs attack damage paradox
should i take a hermes room or shop
on the one hand, special speed
on the other hand, potential boon + pom
turbid needle
How much money do you have
real orchid
292
turbid needle
Hmmmm meh, Hermes
cunning urchin
Mid-shop or boss shop? Do you have a boon from him yet?
cunning urchin
Mid-shop.
turbid needle
What I usually do is if I have 300 I go for Shop for the potential of 2 boons
Or Heart
turbid needle
That was possible before, right?
turbid needle
i usually shop at 275 for boon+pom/heart
Yeh I guess I'm just weird and only go for 300 haha
cunning urchin
Ideally, you see Lady Aphrodite, Lord Zeus, or Lady Artemis in the shop for Heart Rend or Smoldering Air.
somber drum
I see grab bag boon and a normal boon together pretty often
real orchid
lately i've been trying out the other one though
turbid needle
Artemis 
real orchid
although if i didnt have the epic one i probably wouldnt have heroic arty special rn
cunning urchin
I prefer God's Legacy for Chiron, but they're both pretty good.
turbid needle
Pog. I see Artemis I swoon
real orchid
epic hunters mark, epic hide breaker, normal cast
yall think i should reroll or wait until i have a cast first
cause until i do that will take up one of the three almost every time
also the fact people can win in 8 mins im already at 7 in asphodel blows my mind
cunning urchin
Reroll.
cunning urchin
Doesn't matter. Reroll again.
real orchid
can't ๐
cunning urchin
What are the options?
real orchid
hunter instinct, pressure points, hunters mark all common
cunning urchin
Hunter's Mark.
real orchid
rip epic hunters mark okay sounds good
real orchid
30 second lernie pog
cunning urchin
But unlike Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash, Hunter's Mark only has a 50% chance of being added as a priority slot.
real orchid
ooh that's interesting
is 6:20 asphodel good
with td2
hades just said i crossed through asphodel quite rapidly LOL
cunning urchin
Define good. It's way faster than necessary to be on a good pace for TD2. That's a chill TD3 pace.
"Chill" as in you could take it easy from there and easily make it.
real orchid
oh sweet that's nice
do you think i should take second wind or swift strike from hermes? or i could reroll i guess but im trying to save my last one for another artemis/aphro boon
cunning urchin
What's the other offer?
real orchid
flurry cast
cunning urchin
What rarity is Second Wind?
real orchid
seeing as i still dont have a cast and probably wont be using one much later i feel like it's pretty useless
theyre all common
cunning urchin
Hmmm. I would reroll for either Hyper Sprint or Greatest Reflex. But if you want to keep your rerolls, you can grab Second Wind. That's decent on Chiron.
real orchid
okay, as much as i would like to reroll here i really want the duo boon later so i guess i'll take second win
hmm is zeus boon worth buying in shop
i guess that could fill my cast but i also dont really want it
i guess i could get billowing strength or smth
i'll go for it ig
oh nice i actually got it
cunning urchin
Oh. Yeah, you should go for it because you have a shot at Smoldering Air.
split relic
What do I need to make demeter fists good?
proven osprey
You're lucky, I'm a demeter expert
I'd advise to follow these lines : #h1-builds-and-combat message
split relic
So run ME?
proven osprey
Well it's an option but you have a lot of builds
I'd say ME is the less fun on fists
split relic
I just want something that works
proven osprey
(it's extremely effective)
cunning urchin
ME is optimal when everything goes right.
But it also probably has the most variance out of all of those builds.
proven osprey
It's just the names of the boons
you'll know them
Divine for Athena, Deadly for Artemis, Heartbreak for Aphrodite etc.
That's indeed a lot of text but you also have a lot of infos
and guides are really rare
cunning urchin
I don't like "do this one build" guides. There are a variety of builds that can be very effective.
proven osprey
Yeah same
When someone asks about Guan Yu I don't know where to start
and then someone just says "Charged skewer deadly flourish"
And I fade away
proven osprey
I mean it's cool and it has the most explosive potential
But curse of longing is pretty cool
I got a 13min IGT at 40 heat with it lol
cunning urchin
I keep telling people Heartbreak Flourish is better if you really want to recommend a one boon build.
But brain see crit, brain happy, I guess.
Or something.
proven osprey
Hmm
cunning urchin
Philistines.
proven osprey
It has weak and clears tartarus way better than Deadly Flourish yeah
cunning urchin
And still deals better later on with Spreaders etc. where Deadly Flourish typically requires 1-2 hits when Heartbreak Flourish would just reliably one-shot them.
proven osprey
Yeah definitely
I love to go for the highest crit possible too
So I go pressure points hunter's mark with like a super buffed heartbreak flourish
static karma
I wish there was a good detailed hades spear guide, I like using it a lot and want to learn it well
proven osprey
I wish I could show you
But every time I play it I lean to the Guan Yu style with exploding launcher
cunning urchin
If you don't have Exploding Launcher, Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is a good rotation.
valid dagger
I like Serrated point with it, ive only played it on lower heat so idk how bad the dash reduction would be on higher heats
cunning urchin
Serrated Point and Exploding Launcher are best, yeah.
Although, Charged Skewer + Exploding Launcher is probably better, but you'd need to actually luck into that.
proven osprey
Yeah that combo + punishing sweep is absurd damage
But it's not easy to keep it up
proven osprey
Not anymore
cunning urchin
But really though, @static karma, you know the builds and the general idea, the rest is just practice.
valid dagger
Alright then good to know
cunning urchin
Like always. 
I just play it as Zag Spear with the occasional sweep whenever the opportunity arises, and with practice and experience, you'll get better at exploiting opportunities to use your sweep.
proven osprey
Yeah Bacchus you don't need advice anymore
I think you're good enough at the game
you just need to practice every aspect and your game knowledge will do the rest
it can take some time
lime jolt
^^^
cunning urchin
I think you're good enough at the game
Don't listen to @proven osprey. He just wants you to remain at your current skill level, "good enough", so you don't become better than him.
@proven osprey bad 
.
proven osprey
Lol
I mean good enough to clear 40
Just believe in yourself
that kind of spirit
cunning urchin
If he was good enough to clear 40, he'd have done so by now.
He just needs practice to get there.
Doesn't mean he's there yet, but that's fine.
olive mural
Are there any particular builds that Achilles' Spear excels at?
cunning urchin
That, or a Heroic Greatest Reflex + 400 max HP. That would also do it.
serene geyser
I wish there was a good detailed hades spear guide, I like using it a lot and wa...
stab enemy with pointy end good
olive mural
Right now I'm just using its cast buff and a few other things to beef up some blade rifts
proven osprey
That, or a Heroic Greatest Reflex + 400 max HP. That would also do it.
Yeah, you can be good enough to clear a certain heat if you highroll 
olive mural
I don't really know much about building for your cast, so I'm a little out of my depth here
cunning urchin
Are there any particular builds that Achilles' Spear excels at?
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Flurry Jab.
Also works with Deadly Strike.
You either start Thunder Signet for Lightning Strike or Conch Shell for Tidal Dash.
Electric Shot start can also be good, but you'd still want to end up with either of those builds, ultimately.
That's the speedrun meta and what it excels at.
But that also means resetting for Flurry Jab.
static karma
If he was good enough to clear 40, he'd have done so by now. <:dusa:522248771409...
I did clear 40 with Hestia
I'm trying other weapons now though
cunning urchin
Right. m saying good enough for 40 with Hades.
static karma
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying
I just need to tighten up the execution. I made it to the Heroes
so it's not like I always die early lol
sweet hornet
how do hestia builds work in general?
turbid needle
Take Aphrodite or Artemis on Attack.
sweet hornet
or how to maximize the reload mechanic, basically
serene geyser
You can reload at any time, so just press R whenever you have a moment
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash, Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Attack, any % on Special (ideally not Tempest Flourish, but it's better than no Flourish or the non-% Flourishes).
opal lodge
reloading with dash is good
proven osprey
^
opal vortex
the number of times I have gotten to 28% on the FING BUTTERFLY
Most difficult achievement BY FAR for me so far
split relic
Fr
opal vortex
Honestly I get hit ONCE in several rooms
It's impossible for me...even though I am not doing poorly. So annoying
slim lynx
aspect of hestia is great for that
guan yu also works well with charged skewer from what i've heard
lime jolt
^
opal vortex
sigh I don't have either of those leveled up and no spare blood to speakm of
hit for 5 dmg WOOHOO
opal vortex
So what are you suppose to do with hestia exactly besides reload a lot?
cunning urchin
You can press Special, Cast, or Dash at the same time you press Reload.
slim lynx
tidal dash is great for hestia
opal vortex
I don't typically dash-strike with ranged weapons. I know it's good, but I just don't like the constant chaotic rhythm
cunning urchin
A lot of times when you reload, you want to press either Special or Dash at the same time.
slim lynx
if there's a rhythm you can get into it
cunning urchin
You can even press Reload while aiming your Special and keep aiming.
Because your Special has a cooldown itself, you can only do a Special like every second reload that you do if you keep cycling Attack > Reload.
Best hammers in my experience are Triple Bomb, Ricochet Fire, and Rocket Bomb. But you don't really want to combine Rocket Bomb with Triple Bomb.
Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb is very strong, though.
And Hazard Bomb is also very strong.
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, that one is also really good.
opal vortex
It just seems way more difficult to play
slim lynx
easier to play than eris that's for sure
cunning urchin
But it doesn't benefit as much as other rails do with Lightning Strike.
opal vortex
I'd rather do lucifer or eris
lime jolt
Best hammers in my experience are Triple Bomb, Ricochet Fire, and Rocket Bomb. B...
Whereโs piercing in there
cunning urchin
m saying it doesn't benefit as much from Targeting System because you don't have Lightning Strike.
And you don't build Call as fast.
lime jolt
Both of my 50โs have piercing
cunning urchin
Piercing Fire is more for high heat.
slim lynx
is targeting system a global damage boost?
lime jolt
I want it recognized
cunning urchin
It is. Targeting System also buffs summons.
cunning urchin
Both of my 50โs have piercing<:dusa:522248771409543188>
No. Hestia high heat runs don't get any recognition.
lime jolt
cunning urchin
for achilles with flurry jab do i just keep holding attack and going ham?
Hold Attack and mash Dash.
lime jolt
Just dash strike
slim lynx
more like delta chamber zag with hitstun
cunning urchin
Commoners that have been eaten by sacred crocodiles shouldn't contradict me.
๐ธ๐ฝ
opal vortex
is it just me or does playing on <5 heat seem like a disadvantage
the 1-2 Erberus gates you get in Tartarus are a pure win
cunning urchin
I skip Erebus unless m doing very high heat and it's a Centaur Heart or a god I really want.
Not because of difficulty, it's just slower.
opal vortex
yeah well not everyone cares about speed
stiff sapphire
Not everyone cares for speed, but if you choose to progress through the punishment heat levels, I feel like the 9- or 7-minute timer is a very common pick.
I personally rarely take Erebus, because it's not very necessary and I am not at the 10+ heat range yet for midrun erebussing
opal lodge
idk
erebus just isnt that necessary most of the time
even if you can no hit the chambers
i only take them on 45+ heat
or when speedrunning and the reward is really good
cunning urchin
If clearing is a given for me at that Heat, the only metrics that matter really are clear time or I guess fun. Whether Erebus is more fun is subjective, and for clear speed, it's slower most of the time.
As far as just being able to clear, 5 Heat or less makes no difference for me.
I suppose there's quite possibly some skill level and Heat level where you can do Infernal Gates in Tartarus reliably but they also help you win more reliably than if you did less than 5 Heat?
Doesn't seem like a universal experience, though.
But if it's true for you and not true for me, we can both be right.
zinc quest
I just did a run with Zeus and Charged Shot on Shield. I call it a rain gun build
opal lodge
if youre looking for reliable clears either way erebus gates dont seem like the way to go lol
erebus doesnt become a reliable solution until like 45+ heat when resources become scarce
opal vortex
OMFG I FINALLY GOT THE BUTTERFLY ACHIEVEMENT ON THE 2ND TO LAST TUNNEL IN STYX
lime jolt
Tbh I take erebus sometimes in just normal meme runs that I do if a god I want shows up on the gate
opal vortex
using malphon... aspect of zag
lime jolt
Flurry jab is absolutely necessary
But you want to force artemis instead of Zeus in asphodel
@slim lynx
slim lynx
do i still go for lightning strike?
opal vortex
what r u talking about
lime jolt
do i still go for lightning strike?
If it shows up early and has good rarity, yes
Otherwise just take zeus cast
But you want to start splash dash
For first boon
lime jolt
what r u talking about
Continuing our convo from somewhere else
slim lynx
i could just go for a cast build
since that's also something achilles is really good at
opal lodge
if youre not resetting cast builds are the most reliable
if youre willing to reset for a hammer tidal dash start on flurry jab is nutty
also breaking wave >>>>> any other poseidon t2 if youre trying to go fast spammy
cunning urchin
If you want WR, reset for Epic Dash and Attack and Flurry Jab in Tartarus.
slim lynx
tidal dash is hard to handle because it causes enemies to constantly be moving around and i can't consistently land hits
wr
lime jolt
Use your raging rush to your advantage
slim lynx
using raging rush with flurry jab seems super janky outside of mobility
lime jolt
You can zoom around
opal lodge
WR just requires splash dash start and earlyish flurry jab
not sure if you need anything else tbh other than room luck
lime jolt
Raging rush is 150% dmg
opal lodge
more attempts means more chances to get good rooms
lime jolt
Why would you not want that
Use your raging rush to chase after enemies if youโve knocked them back too far
Watch anankeโs Achilles
S M O O T H
cunning urchin
Just watch any of the top Achilles runs on the board, anyway. Optimizing your room clears should save you a lot more time than your builds.
Yeah, Ananke is one of the best Achilles players for sure.
lime jolt
Iโll have to check them out
opal lodge
185in is a top RTA runner in general
been creeping up steadily on RTA boards for a few months now
has an achilles run on the anyheat boards that is both sub 7 igt and sub 14 RTA
jovial fulcrum
Even though Achilles is my most played spear, i still find the bull rush movement to be somewhat awkward
lime jolt
opal lodge
only lili's run also meets both of those
real orchid
When doing ME runs with demeter do you just avoid any boon that isnt ares/athena until you get ME if possible so you dont get other duos offered?
opal lodge
well you dont want core boons
just dont take any boons that open duos
however
you want to fill your pool asap after gettingg athena
to increase your chances of seeing either
lime jolt
Am I the only person that likes triple jab > extending on achilles? I really like the extra aoe and more hunters mark procs
opal vortex
Quick question... Can Hera get Charged Volley hammer?
real orchid
Hmm i guess that makes sense
lime jolt
Iโve heard quite a lot of people say that extending is the only one that does something
lime jolt
Quick question... Can Hera get Charged Volley hammer?
Yes
real orchid
Since attack/special/dash are all reserved for ares/athena
opal vortex
ok, thanks
opal lodge
extending also doesnt really do anything
i take triple over extending and i think ananke does too
like
idk
you have to hit them with tidal dash anyway
when are you getting extending jab range?
if you are, youre doing it wrong
lime jolt
Yeah triple aoe is great
slim lynx
kinda sad that i didn't think to record that nem run a few hours ago
i can't submit it to the src leaderboards ๐
opal lodge
thats a beautiful build there spammy
opal vortex
ice wine + scintillating feast on Hera = good?
opal lodge
fwiw gods pride is usually preferred for nem
for the juicy chaos boons and extra dashes from hermes
slim lynx
i tend to say pride is good if you're going for one duo and then proceed to still use legacy when solely going for heart rend
opal lodge
lol
lime jolt
ice wine + scintillating feast on Hera = good?
Ice wine bad on hera
slim lynx
so there should be around a 36% chance of me getting offered a duo/legendary?
huh. not that bad actually
opal lodge
not quite how the math shakes out
to be offered any duo/leg across 3 slots the math is (1-0.12)^3
slim lynx
and there's still other boons with priority
lime jolt
Ice wine is amazing on everything except beo and hera
opal lodge
thats the probability you wont be offered one
slim lynx
ice wine just applies chill
which if you're using beo or hera doesn't mean a lot because the enemy is already dead
opal lodge
so the probability that you will is 31% spammy
lime jolt
Adds a delay
opal lodge
or 32 sorry
lime jolt
On hera and beo
opal lodge
rounding upwards
slim lynx
31% is still nice
opal vortex
Is there a valid strategy to just using pom flower and god's pride and see what you get?
lime jolt
I have runs where I keep mom pom on the entire run
opal lodge
its been experimented with and works pretty well on poseidon sword imo
lime jolt
Theyโre fun
lime jolt
I normally put it on in asphodel
opal lodge
dad call is the speedrun take into elysium if you have no other needs
slim lynx
hades' aid is great because it also acts as a prereq for call charge boons
opal lodge
its also just a lot of damage
lime jolt
Also RD stonks
opal lodge
+100% global damage burst is gigantic
slim lynx
as short as it is the burst of dps is absurd
opal lodge
ye
lime jolt
Swipy keyboard on my phone
opal vortex
Can you do blizzard shot with Hera?
shrewd tangle
I JUST BEET MY FIRST FULL RUN WITH MY BUILD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
main osprey
I JUST BEET MY FIRST FULL RUN WITH MY BUILD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
You can share it in #h1-victory-boasting :3
balmy star
boons to go for w guan yu?
slim lynx
charged skewer + heartbreak flourish
balmy star
i think i heard it's a special focused weapon somewhere?
cunning urchin
opal lodge
all parts of the kit are important
tepid roost
Any recommendations for eris rail build?
balmy star
Any recommendations for eris rail build?
arte special zeus attack
aim for rocket and cluster bomb hammers
and the rest is up to you
sweet hornet
balmy star
rocket first, then cluster
cunning urchin
I start Eternal Rose and usually pick Epic Heartbreak Flourish > Epic Heartbreak Strike > rare/common Heartbreak Flourish > rare Heartbreak Strike > reroll if none of those.
For Guan Yu.
For your first boon.
opal lodge
tidal dash is a big part of your damage for eris
dont take athena unless you really need the safety
slim lynx
oh and also get support fire while you're at it for eris
sweet hornet
anime missiles pew pew
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash > any % for Special (but ideally not Tempest) is the go-to build for Poseidon.
balmy star
would you run shadow or fiery presence w guan yu?
cunning urchin
would you run shadow or fiery presence w guan yu?
Fiery.
balmy star
figured, thought id ask to double check
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul on Guan Yu because Casts can be important for your damage rotation.
honest wing
what all stuff does one take fiery with? hestai, guan yu, cast builds?
slim lynx
pressure points probably better
you're probably getting more out of +17 damage per hit than a few crits
cunning urchin
You're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer).
So picking up a good Cast like Phalanx Shot can be nice.
balmy star
duly noted
opal lodge
you're probably getting more out of +17 damage per hit than a few crits
its not about the pp procs
balmy star
ight boys and girl, here goes
opal lodge
pp + marked is super strong and tends to be higher priority than support fire
generally order of boon priority once you have special is hunters mark > pp > fire
balmy star
fyi charged skewer right out the gate lets go
honest wing
less goo
jovial fulcrum
is hunter dash good for GY, or do you just really want Divine Dash above any other?
balmy star
tfw biffed a real good run by dying to charon
cunning urchin
Yeah, Hunter Dash is pretty good.
balmy star
made the mistake of running high confidence
with guan yu
forgetting about health debuff
honest wing
lmao
balmy star
big brain
honest wing
25 helth
balmy star
yessir
cunning urchin
I take Hunter Dash a lot on Guan Yu.
balmy star
uhhh
got the choice of a poseidon or ares room
i only have HB flourish atm
what do
cunning urchin
Hmm. I'd probably go for Tidal Dash.
balmy star
ty for helping this indecisive libra out
hm rare tempest strike epic cast or rare hydraulic might (nah)
actually lemme reroll i got 5 lol
cunning urchin
Roll for tidal Dash.
cunning urchin
I'd just roll again. But you can take an Epic Poseidon's Aid, sure.
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, for some reason I read 5 after the first reroll lol. Yeah, Epic Poseidon's Aid is great.
balmy star
oo aphro poseidon duo room
cunning urchin
If you don't pick Lady Aphrodite first, I won't help you anymore. But of course you wouldn't do that, right?
balmy star
i will never ever ever pick anyone else over aphro simply bc of her trial
cunning urchin
Good.
jovial fulcrum
you'd rather deal with Zooz trial than Aphro trial? 
balmy star
options are rare cast epic dash or broken resolve (nah)
balmy star
you'd rather deal with Zooz trial than Aphro trial? <:electrode:4688033250481274...
yes
jovial fulcrum
brave
balmy star
smrt
jovial fulcrum
dash seems fine
cunning urchin
Broken Resolve is good. I'd probably take Cast.
balmy star
reroll to try for attack or epic dash?
jovial fulcrum
which one is resolve again? more powerful weak?
cunning urchin
Yes. It also unlocks Unhealthy Fixation.
cunning urchin
Cast will do good Cast damage for single-target rorations and give you better odds of getting Attack and Dash for any future boons.
balmy star
what does fixation do again?
cunning urchin
Her Cast is really really good.
jovial fulcrum
15% chance to knock bosses out of attack animations w/e Aphro boons lol
15% chance to charm
balmy star
ah
jovial fulcrum
when you apply weak
balmy star
thats normally good but when you do so much damage w a special is that really worth it though
jovial fulcrum
Charm interrupts boss attacks, is the biggest thing imo
balmy star
oh shi
i
damn making me feel like i got the game yesterday
alright ill take rare cast
yo... off topic but that "Kh! Keep... go.." from meg after i killed her hit DIFFERENTTTTTTTTTT
jovial fulcrum
meg
cunning urchin
Killing girlfriend. Terrible.
balmy star
it's my job 
god she's so hot
frick yo that really hit different im still affected by it rn
sheesh
honest wing
if my girlfriend were to respawn in my house every time, I'd have no problem killing her too
jovial fulcrum
brutal
balmy star
yeaaaa boiiiiii
felt so good to see my special 1-2 shot everything
ty for the help guys and nya
really appreciate it
cunning urchin
Did you win? Congratulations!
boreal prism
So um... how come no one told me that vengeful mood sniper shot rama bow is a bad build
boreal prism
The only revenge boon i had was curse of vengeance
honest wing
vengeful mood and ccurse of longing with curse of vengeance and wave of despair would be some good passive damage
cunning urchin
Not on Rama tbh.
boreal prism
Rama is not a good weapon for aoe centered on zag
This build would've been great on fists i think
honest wing
Understandable.
opal lodge
vengeful mood isnt really a build tbh
its a duo you stumble into when yo udont know what duo youre looking for
solid sable
proven osprey
hollow wraith
what's a good 16 heat/em4 build for spear. I tried blade rift and crystal beam but I can never find all the boons to get the build working
fair cairn
GY if you can handle it
hollow wraith
Damn haven't unlocked gy yet. Just did all the pre-reqs but achilles wasn't there
fair cairn
do you have decent/all mirror options?
hunting blades is the best but yes it will take good RNG to get it going
hollow wraith
Got pretty much all. Just levelling the re-roll boon one
hollow wraith
That's problem, I tried hunting blades last 4 runs and only got it once, I got the legendary blade rift consec damage boon but not at same time as hunting blades so hard to consistently land it
fair cairn
if you are good at avoiding damage GY is a very powerful aspect at mid-high heat
hollow wraith
I'm not good at dodging damage lol I usually rely on having 200-250 hp but even then I'm getting destroyed by em4 hades
fair cairn
I would say spear is not exactly the best starting weapon choice for EM4
hollow wraith
I see, it's pretty much only weapon I've used for 70 hours
cunning urchin
Beowulf is best for EM4.
fair cairn
^
but they need to unlock it so it's currently not available
rail, bow aspects are also good starting point, Demeter fist is also something I personally like
cunning urchin
But it's definitely doable with Varatha, especially if you're doing FO0.
hollow wraith
I tried all weapons once, most of them seemed terrible besides fist but I know aspects would change that
fair cairn
then I suggest you get most of the aspects unlocked and decently leveled up before attempting EM4
cunning urchin
Either just keep practicing if you want to do it now or put it off until a bit later when you've upgraded and unlocked more aspects. EM4 is a very difficult fight.
fair cairn
EM4 is kinda the starting point in endgame combat that certain things are more viable than others
hollow wraith
Think I'm just gonna practise it, with right build and better dodging I can probably do it
cunning urchin
In competitive Hades, we don't really take EM4 until 50+ Heat. Anything below that is easier without EM4.
hollow wraith
Oh lol I was told to just do em4 because I'll need to learn it anyway
fair cairn
EM4 is something you do when you really want to
not a necessity when doing, say, 32 heat
cunning urchin
EM2 is all you need if you want to push for 32; and if you want to push 40+, learning EM3 is a very good idea.
EM4 FO2 is really only 50+ for Beowulf and 55+ish for everything else.
EM4 FO0 isn't too bad, but it's harder and slower than other options.
hollow wraith
Ah right. I guess I could em3 and level other things. I'm only on 13 heat, but I just want to prove I can do it at least once
fair cairn
just that some aspects are easier
cunning urchin
Keep at it, then. Try again with Malphon if that was your best attempt.
jovial fulcrum
Speeder FO2 Numbskulls in an Erebus room
proven osprey
It's scary yeah
balmy star
alright boyos
the time has come for my 69th run
give your ideas for the best meme build(s) i should do
proven osprey
Aphrodite boons only
balmy star
das it?
cunning urchin
I know for a fact that Lady Aphrodite would approve. ๐
She was very happy when she got her win streak to 69.
cunning urchin
Chiron is her favorite aspect.
balmy star
is it now?
cunning urchin
Yes.
balmy star
unlocking it just for her then
cunning urchin
Yay~! ๐
balmy star
will be posting the victory screen when im done
ty for the suggestions for my very special 69th run 
strange lark
ty for the suggestions for my very special 69th run <:shadesmile:520447982727069...
nice
cunning urchin
@balmy star if you haven't done the Hades Monthly Challenge for February yet, you can still submit your run when it's done. #h1-builds-and-combat message
jovial fulcrum
Heartbreak Strike start on Chiron is amazing.
Almost everything Chiron wants to do starts there
balmy star
wow the pool of purging's gonna get rich tonight
balmy star
<@!221066052635721728> if you haven't done the Hades Monthly Challenge for Febru...
i think im alright, ty for lmk though!
i mistakenly took a chaos boon
F
balmy star
omg wait is it really
cunning urchin
It is!
balmy star
SO CUTE
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is the bestest. ๐
She streams Hades, by the way. https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry
balmy star
UNHEALTHY FIXATION LETS GO
4 IN A ROW
omg
i cant purge a zeus boon
bc no more rerolls
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
strange lark
rip
cunning urchin
m sure she'll be happy either way. Just do your best, and it'll all be fine! ๐
turbid needle
I came to look through the past chat for shield tips but ended up following a goddess. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
strange lark
I came to look through the past chat for shield tips but ended up following a go...
do you still want shield tips?
cunning urchin
Good good.
jovial fulcrum
i just had a trap crit an enemy w/ mark on them for 10k lmao
strange lark
i just had a trap crit an enemy w/ mark on them for 10k lmao
yeah they do that
cunning urchin
I came to look through the past chat for shield tips but ended up following a go...
As high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite, I approve wholeheartedly. ๐
strange lark
you are the what
valid dagger
lol
cunning urchin
m the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite.
proven osprey
yeah yeah
balmy star
update: did all 6 chambers trying to find a purge pool, ended up getting a nasty epic hyper sprint
i've failed you, lady aphrodite
strange lark
chaos shield works best with ares, zeus, and dio, the hammers you should get are charged shot(?) and sudden rush i dont like putting special hammers on chaos shield because most of them improve the damage of the shield ,which we are not trying to do, or they add more bounces, thats a problem because if the shield continues bouncing around then you wont be able to attack or bull rush until it comes back to you.
turbid needle
Yeah I have that issue with the spear when bouncing around.
strange lark
bruh what
turbid needle
Can I have my melee back please?
strange lark
spear
valid prism
? Spear is supposed to come back is you press attack
turbid needle
The hits seven targets hammer
strange lark
you mean shield right???
turbid needle
Sometimes it'll just be binging around the map pinball style.
turbid needle
you mean shield right???
No I meant the effect you cautioned about relating to shields was something I had suffered with the spear.
turbid needle
The hits seven targets hammer
Chain skewer I think
valid prism
There's a hammer which makes the spear special hit 7 enemies before stopping
strange lark
oh
turbid needle
Yeah.
strange lark
i think i picked that up once in my 300 runs
turbid needle
I liked it else than having to wait for the spear to pinball around.
balmy star
but an absolute boss melter for sure
valid prism
If you play some aspects like Achilles or GY, there's no way you meet that hammer
strange lark
yeah
turbid needle
I had maxed zag aspect like a baby.
strange lark
played zag spear once and hades spear 5 times
cunning urchin
and it's done
Make sure you dedicate it to somebody. ๐
Or you will face Her wrath. 
balmy star
Make sure you dedicate it to somebody. ๐
i did! #h1-victory-boasting
turbid needle
chaos shield works best with ares, zeus, and dio, the hammers you should get are...
Here's hoping I'm blessed by Daedalus
strange lark
daedalus is not a god so probably not
turbid needle
He can bless me by littering more.
magic rivet
You're making his life harder by pillaging the realm so he probably wants to curse you
turbid needle
A hammer and charged shot. This could happen ๐ ๐ก๏ธ
jovial fulcrum
whenever I try to use a sword besides Nem, the game tells me to sit down and try again lol
just can't get a build going
turbid needle
Ive gotten used to excalibur <3. It's a new favorite for me.
balmy star
need to practice w arthur more, remember using it once and liking it for the huge burst dps on attack
jovial fulcrum
its just kind of sluggish for me
strange lark
thats the point
proven osprey
It's a fun aspect
turbid needle
I've gotten a 2300 damage arthur sweep before
proven osprey
attack > attack > dash > attack > dash > attack
turbid needle
yah
I put poseidon attack on it and just baseball batted them against the wall.
nice
I think demeter is the best, you can build and maintain stacks easily and the reduced speed allows you to get more hits in before enemy can attack
jovial fulcrum
Arthur dilemna; do i baseball bat enemies or do i baseball bat their bullets
strange lark
both
turbid needle
gungeon casey moment
strange lark
i havent played gungeon in a while
turbid needle
it's too hard for me
turbid needle
Arthur dilemna; do i baseball bat enemies or do i baseball bat their bullets
What is Divine Dash?
strange lark
athena dash
jovial fulcrum
a tool for the weak
turbid needle
the best dash for survivability
strange lark
a tool for the weak
you are a tool for the weak
jovial fulcrum
strange lark
game tries to kill you dead
thats the point
turbid needle
STS is good, I'm not amazing, I made it to like A8, A6, A8, A2 respectively
jovial fulcrum
I haven't played many roguelikes/lites that are as aggressive in trying to make you dead as STS
turbid needle
I've played a lot or roguelites and I reckon hades is the best
balmy star
lmk why 5:22am me thought STS stood for swords and sandals
where is the A
for and
youngspiegel moment
turbid needle
we're talking slay the spire right
strange lark
lmk why 5:22am me thought STS stood for swords and sandals
bruh what the T stand for then???
jovial fulcrum
ye
turbid needle
A is ascension
balmy star
bruh what the T stand for then???
And
turbid needle
it's like heat
jovial fulcrum
A10 Defect is my highest, sub A5 with the rest lol
turbid needle
it's fun but I reckon it gets old fast
balmy star
i wanted to ask if y'all ever played diablo 3 before but that's off topic
and we don't touch off topic channel
or at least I don't
balmy star
can confidently say if I never played diablo 3 I wouldn't be here rn
also wouldn't be gud at hades kek
strange lark
ok
balmy star
๐ just making conversation ๐
turbid needle
I played a good deal of d2-d3. Fan of the top down isometric style
valid prism
Everyone has their past lives on Videogaming before being good at Hades I see
balmy star
can't wait for 4, that's all imma say to keep from going off topic hehe