#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 882

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 AM

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#1 hammer you're looking for is Charged Skewer.

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Quick Spin is a good alternative.

boreal prism Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 AM

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based on the design of the weapon, you might think that centaur hearts are bad to take, because they're worth a lot less. that's not true

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Hang on, let me copy-paste some text I wrote yesterday lol.

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I'd suggest you start with the Eternal Rose and pick up Epic/Rare Heartbreak Flourish > Epic Heartbreak Strike > common Heartbreak Flourish. Not in that order but with that priority. From your first boon. If you start with Flourish, any % trike will be good. If you start with Strike, you'll want Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish. Both are great. Any other % Flourish can also work if you're not getting them, but ideally you want one of those two. Hunter Dash, Divine Dash, and Tidal Dash are best. Cast you want any Cast that lodges for Boiling Blood. Base Cast is perfectly fine, too. Call I'd take anything but Ares' Aid tbh. The only boons I want from Lord Ares on Guan Yu are Urge to Kill and Battle Rage. And just anything that's not a core boon lol.

boreal prism Mar 30, 2021, 2:54 AM

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the other thing is: heal on hit is a VERY powerful ability. there's only 1 thing in the whole game that gives you heal on hit, and it takes away all your health to compensate. don't underestimate it

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 AM

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There are two: Guan Yu and Cursed Slash.

boreal prism Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 AM

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oh, i confused cursed slash with draining cutter, my bad

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i thought they were both heal on kill

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Draining Cutter heals on kill, yeah.

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Your go-to combos are Dash-Strike x2, Cast > Dash-Strike x2, and Special > Dash-Strike x2. You start with Cast on single enemies and with Special when you can hit a group. Just be careful with your Special up close because the startup is a bit slow and can leave you open. Cast is much faster.

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If you get Charged Skewer, you can quick-release it way faster, but it will have reduced range, or you can hold it for more range and more base damage. You can do the whole game just running away from everything and throwing your Charged Skewer. It's really powerful, too, so it's not even slow.

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One-shots a whole lot of enemies.

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You can often phase the Furies with just three Charged Skewers.

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If you get Quick Spin or alternatively Massive Spin or Winged Serpent, you can just stay back and throw your spin from a safe distance with some specials and casts mixed in.

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With Quick Spin and Divine Strike, you can just stay inside your spin and Deflect near everything and immediately charge your next spin. It's really effective. Even if you get hit sometimes, you'll be healing all the time.

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You usually want to charge your spin from a Dash-Strike by just holding down Attack after a Dash-Strike, because your normal Attack is just slower than a Dash-Strike. Then you can release your spin either by letting go of Attack or by pressing Dash.

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If you let go of Attack, you will stay in place and throw your spin forward. That's what you want to do most of the time.

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If you press Dash, you will Dash forward (you'll get i-frames on that dash) and throw your spin forward with greater range, but it's a lot more risky because it moves you towards your enemies. With Divine Strike, this is what you want to do primarily, however, because the spin will cover you with deflects. If you use the Dash to throw your spin, let go of Attack, and immediately hold Attack again after the Dash, you can charge your next spin right away without having to do an Attack or Dash-Strike first. So you can just chain Dash-Spins as much as you like. Again, very effective and safe with Divine Strike.

barren eagle Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/Y8CH6Sd

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turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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dam

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no cast

barren eagle Mar 30, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Honestly the attack and the call was the carrier of the build

opal vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:21 AM

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I won with lvl 1 guan yu on my 1st try. Zero heat. I was just trying to get the prophecy. lol

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 3:22 AM

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It's really fun.

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I've been maining Guan Yu and Malphon since they came out.

opal vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Are there any "joke" keepsakes to kill hades with besides the egg?

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I thought there was one other one...

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 3:23 AM

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He'll comment on the Sigil and the Pom Blossom if you take them. I think that's about it.

opal vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:24 AM

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hm, ok

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 3:25 AM

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The people frequenting in #h1-story-discussion might know something else.

weak sequoia Mar 30, 2021, 3:26 AM

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any fun builds with literally any weapon? i want to try something new

opal vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:27 AM

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weak sequoia any fun builds with literally any weapon? i want to try something new

Have you done cast builds?

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Guan Yu Tempest Strike spin build is fun.

orchid pike Mar 30, 2021, 3:29 AM

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ppl recommend crit for chiron but i'm having much more success with zoos

weak sequoia Mar 30, 2021, 3:34 AM

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opal vortex Have you done cast builds?

not much other than my own (im a nub 😦 )
beo with ares cast

boreal prism Mar 30, 2021, 3:37 AM

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try rama's bow and explosive shot, the bow will be really slow to pull back

weak sequoia Mar 30, 2021, 3:38 AM

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is it good for high heat? 14

boreal prism Mar 30, 2021, 3:39 AM

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I dunno if it's good

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but it's fun

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it deals BIG DAMIGE

weak sequoia Mar 30, 2021, 3:41 AM

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i like big numbers

orchid pike Mar 30, 2021, 3:41 AM

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is 14 high doe

weak sequoia Mar 30, 2021, 3:41 AM

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idk man im just a nub do what i want go with random stuff and got till 14 and now struggling 😔

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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why's there no reroll

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i bought the mirror upgrade that gives you the reroll things

slim lynx Mar 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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you have to upgrade it for more reroll uses

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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its max

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4 stones

slim lynx Mar 30, 2021, 3:49 AM

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also persuasion is better

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you use it for boons, poms, wells and purging pools

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 3:50 AM

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is persuasion the green one

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ok yeah it is

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 3:50 AM

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Yes

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 3:50 AM

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it's rly good

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 3:51 AM

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Persuasion is better even on mirrorless funnily enough because keys recover rerolls

magic rivet Mar 30, 2021, 3:52 AM

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And no dark foresight means you're more likely to see keys

slim lynx Mar 30, 2021, 4:07 AM

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volfredthink

orchid pike Mar 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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why do speedrunas like poseidon dash

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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damage

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its the highest damaging dash in the game, and scales very well with poms

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not to mention poseidon has great tier 2's that fit with his dash

orchid pike Mar 30, 2021, 4:38 AM

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k

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 4:51 AM

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besides that, it also gives some safety with the knockback. pretty great

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idk whether Athena or Posiden dash is better, but they're both pretty far above the rest i think

limber cloak Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 AM

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athena is best defense, Poseidon is best offense

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Aphro dash is middling, it gives defense from weak and offense from its dmg

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 4:54 AM

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Personally, I find myself with Aphrodite dash more often than any other. I like playing with Priv Stat, and it gives me another status without having to dig for T2 boons

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Posiden Dash with Shoals, Sea Storm and Jolted is the dream there though

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 AM

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I understand I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I do all my runs with God Mode. It allows me to experience more of the story without worrying too much about how effective my build is.

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I don't play games because I necessarily have anything to prove to people. I ply games for the experience of the story and the gameplay loop; difficulty isn't really something that enhances the experience for me

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 4:59 AM

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I've never seen anyone get flak in this server for using god mode. It's a feature in the game for a reason.

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Use it if you like. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. dusa

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 AM

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That's a relief. A lot of people I know have the "git-gud mentality" and so I've learned to show some humility

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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I started on god mode too, it’s a part of the game and pretty well done imo

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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The Supergiant Games community is very wholesome.

coral cave Mar 30, 2021, 5:04 AM

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some people arent the nicest tho

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but an overwhelming majority are very welcoming

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Yeah, some people don't take Lady Aphrodite first in a trial. They're the worst. zfiestAngry

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I didn't know what God Mode was for a little while squirtyay

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Wow, you gonna call me out like that?

coral cave Mar 30, 2021, 5:06 AM

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cunning urchin Yeah, some people don't take Lady Aphrodite first in a trial. They're the worst....

im one of those people

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:D

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:06 AM

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~~I like only take Aphro first if it's against Athena tbh~~

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~~not trying to die here~~

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 5:07 AM

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Deus Ex Machina best boon tbh

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:07 AM

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zfiestAngry

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:08 AM

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A Zoooz trial legit almost killed me today lol, it had speedster great shields on fo2

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Damn near Speeder anything on FO2 is a death-sentence.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:10 AM

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i have not yet seen the mythical Speeder FO2 Chariots yet, but I fear the day when i do

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:11 AM

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They're bad. They're real bad.

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~~almost as bad as Shifter Flamewheels~~

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:11 AM

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shifter is teleport right? I feel like I get that combo every other run

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 AM

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I once got Shifter Puller Flamewheels.

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I've never been "nothing personnel, kid" so hard in my life.

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They teleport so Zag was inside the event horizon.

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 AM

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lol

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 AM

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haven't turned on BP2 just yet, not high enough on heat yet

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still just doing +1 heat on all weapons for bounties

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Honestly, I think normal Flame Wheels are a lot worse than any Elite Flame Wheels.

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 AM

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Because they're roughly as dangerous as normal but not eating Elite spawns that could make other enemies worse?

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:15 AM

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First of all, Elite Flame Wheels have a much wider hurtbox. Trying to kill normal Flame Wheels with melee without taking massive damage in that chamber is very lol.

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And second, there are way more normal Flame Wheels because their difficulty rating is very low.

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Elite Flame Wheels are some of the fastest chambers you can get in Elysium.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:16 AM

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been trying to get better at baiting flame wheels in to walls and stuff

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for when I use melee stuff

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:18 AM

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I think it's only once you add JS that Elite Flame Wheels truly become a threat.

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Or DC2, maybe.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:20 AM

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I tend to use DC1 a lot, so they can be sorta tricky if I'm not on Rail or Beo or Chiron

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Pretty sure I've died more to normal Flame Wheels than anything else in my recent speedruns lol.

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Well, and the Furies.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Man I tried playing empowered shot on Exagryph but it totally sucked for me, any tips?

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Start with Eternal Rose.

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:22 AM

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But mainly because my playstyle at 32 is either I can kill them asap without having to worry about my HP or I'll want to reset anyway.

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Schpoonman is right.

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Are you firing the entire magazine after the Empowered Shot or immediately reloading?

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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what's Eternal Rose

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Glad you've finally come to see the light. dusa

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Im immediately reloading

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Well, once they've learned how to use Hestia more they should move on to the Adamant Arrowhead. squirtheh

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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it makes it so the next boon you get is Aphro

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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The Eternal Rose is Lady Aphrodite's keepsake.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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or hermes, because hermes can outrun the other gods

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Oh aight

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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but not hermes in tart

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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so basically I wanna go straight damage from the beginning

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Love getting two Hermes in Asphodel before my Keepsake'd Olympian so I only see them in Chamber 22.

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Make sure you take Fiery Presence in your mirror.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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My mirror is almost full

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Fiery Presence on Hestia is immensely helpful

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:24 AM

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turbid needle Love getting two Hermes in Asphodel before my Keepsake'd Olympian so I only see ...

🙃

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It feels like that has been happening more often lately

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:25 AM

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I need to get "fated authority" was it called?

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idk how many of those I have left

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I think I have 4 now

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Speedrun strat is Tidal Dash start in Tartarus because you don't really need an Attack boon in Tartarus, Your Empowered Shot will one-shot everything, pretty much, and anything it doesn't, your Tidal Dash will finish off.

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Then you switch keepsakes and grab an Attack boon in Asphodel.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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Yup sounds cool to me

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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I like aphro attack or Artemis attack for Hestia

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Depends on how much you value damage mitigation

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:26 AM

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The only problem is I used all my blood to level up Beowulf

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Oh, so your Hestia is what level now?

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Level 1 Hestia is pretty sad

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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i think lv 3

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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better than lvl 2 or 1

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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100 base damage.

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Eh, should be good enough.

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But start with an Attack boon, then.

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 AM

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If you’re on controller it’s good to rebind reload to a shoulder button

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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nope, keyboard

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Heartbreak Strike is great for Weak and unlocking Smoldering Air, potentially.

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You'll also want a % boon on your Special.

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Special is lower priority than attack though

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Idk im not really good at aiming with special

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I don't know about that.

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Well, practice makes perfect. dusa

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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heart rend hestia? rainbow

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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If you don’t pick up anything for special that’s totally fine on low heat

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Oh im not doing high heat yet

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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jovial fulcrum heart rend hestia? <a:rainbow:624176268828737536>

I’ve unironically done that I think and it’s gone well

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

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my biggest heat was 8...you can guess why SkellySticker

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I mean, if you don't take anything except Tidal Dash, that's perfectly fine on low heat. I don't think that's a good bar to set.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:30 AM

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i just dunno how you'd reliably apply weak.
It'd. like, only be for boss fights it seems like

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cause you'd just one shot everything else w/o heart rend anyhow

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:30 AM

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You can press Reload + Special at the same time when you reload. That way you can shoot your Special while you're not using your Attack anyway.

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Even if you miss half of your Specials, getting some extra damage is very nice.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:31 AM

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well my Attack is left click and my special is Right click so I guess it will work

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:31 AM

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And Rail has amazing Special hammers.

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:33 AM

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jovial fulcrum i just dunno how you'd reliably apply weak. It'd. like, only be for boss fights ...

Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or Deadly Strike + Passion Dash are good ways to use Heart Rend.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:34 AM

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Passion dash? what about tidal

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Nyaa specified Tidal for speedrunning, could also take Heartbreak Flourish.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:35 AM

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Took me 54 runs to escape 10 times, so you can guess my performance at this game only_pain

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Deadly strike and heartbreak flourish is good for Hestia imo

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Everybody starts from scratch.

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Especially if you want to heart rend

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I started on god mode and now have a heat PB of 40

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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I mostly play on 32 Heat now and when I first started Lernard wrecked me every time I got to him.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Whats up with the hammer that gives 5 missiles on Specila, is it a good choice? Used to spam it around XD

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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One of the rail's best hammers, no question.

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Cluster rockets is a great combo

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Cluster bomb + rocket bomb

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It’s what I did for my 32 mirrorless Hestia clear

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:40 AM

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I just gotta practice it a little, at this point it's a bit chaotical for me

turbid needle Mar 30, 2021, 5:40 AM

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That's the spirit.

tidal scaffold Mar 30, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Plus it looks so fun to use

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I guess I will start using exagryph more and split it in two types of runs, the ones with cluster and the one with sharpshooter

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Learning to aim a little better, sync my special during reload

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Not planning on making exagryph my main tho, I will keep going fists or shield most of my runs

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I guess I will leave dark thirst guide me

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:47 AM

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static karma Deadly strike and heartbreak flourish is good for Hestia imo

It's good but not for Heart Rend. Heart Rend won't be doing much for most of the run with just that combo.

slim lynx Mar 30, 2021, 5:47 AM

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what exactly do you want for smouldering air hestia though?

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athena's aid?

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:48 AM

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Hmm?

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Zeus' Aid.

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Maybe Dionysus' Aid.

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Ideally one of those for DPS.

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But any Call that isn't Ares' Aid or Artemis' Aid is great with Smoldering Air.

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Ares' Aid is just bad no matter what unless you specifically do a Bladerift build.

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 5:49 AM

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i mean you dont necessarily need heart rend to do anything for most of the run on hestia

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:49 AM

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And if you take Artemis' Aid, you'll want it for the burst damage at max gauge and not take Smoldering Air.

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 5:49 AM

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with regards to deadly strike heartbreak flourish

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Indeed.

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Which is why I said it's good, but you don't really take it for Heart Rend.

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 5:50 AM

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heart rend is always a bit of an accessory on hestia's build anyways

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its nice but not super necessary

hearty elbow Mar 30, 2021, 5:58 AM

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That's more or less how it be for most aspects lol. Some like Nemesis or Chiron can pretty heavily abuse it though.

static karma Mar 30, 2021, 6:11 AM

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I run God’s Pride over Legacy for Hestia since it doesn’t really need duos, just a good attack boon

magic rivet Mar 30, 2021, 6:30 AM

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I run God's Pride a lot more than God's Legacy now because getting 1-2 duos is easier than getting an epic rush delivery

slim lynx Mar 30, 2021, 6:35 AM

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if your build depends on only one duo you can probably do with pride instead of legacy

limber cloak Mar 30, 2021, 7:50 AM

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hera depends on only one duo really

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mirage

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and it still runs legacy

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its just context dependent

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hera likes other duos too, but it only really wants one

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 8:32 AM

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Hera does not need mirage shot to work

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It's nice for bosses but it's overkill for regular encounters

hollow wraith Mar 30, 2021, 11:32 AM

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Gonna be pretty hard to beat my 10th run because it just skips hades fight

strange lark Mar 30, 2021, 11:33 AM

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wait nvm spoilers are allowed

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:44 AM

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@hollow wraith you might want to use em3 if you want to push heat, since that is required at higher heats

hollow wraith Mar 30, 2021, 12:29 PM

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Is the number the number of bosses affected because hades and theseus still seem the same

strange lark Mar 30, 2021, 12:29 PM

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hollow wraith Is the number the number of bosses affected because hades and theseus still seem...

?

hollow wraith Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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em2 for example I only think affected hydra and furies

strange lark Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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yes

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because em2

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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Yea

strange lark Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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2

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what does 2 mean

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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EM3 affects Heroes of Elysium

hollow wraith Mar 30, 2021, 12:30 PM

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okay cool

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I thought every level affected every boss but with more powerful attacks that's why I was confused

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Each one adds on to the previous one

cloud vault Mar 30, 2021, 12:52 PM

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1 is Furies, 2 is Lernie, 3 is heroes, 4 is Dad

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4 is far and away the most dangerous

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/793169920908984331/826452161696235610/unknown.png?width=824&height=683

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i got excited -_-

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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lol

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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best build ever!

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Sell it

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big moni

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 1:47 PM

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yea

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 1:51 PM

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solid sable https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/793169920908984331/826452161696235610/u...

also why is only one boon showing up

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Its a scripted run

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After you get fishing rod or something like that

solid sable Mar 30, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Oh

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I died

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Nooo dont sell it

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more fishies

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 2:03 PM

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too late

unique shale Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Sell that when your run is about to end/when you're sure you'll die within next three rooms ||for an achievement||

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 3:37 PM

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So I've come up on an opportunity to use the Anvil to reset one of my Daedalus abilities.
I have Chiron's Bow with twin shot and chain shot with doom inflicting attacks.
Is it worth sacrificing one of those for two new ones?

surreal wasp Mar 30, 2021, 3:37 PM

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it's random

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so idk

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twin shot is pretty strong

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what's on your special?

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Crit

surreal wasp Mar 30, 2021, 3:38 PM

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you have a chance of rolling a special upgrade

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Shrugging_Guy

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idk i never take anvils

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bc they have a chance of ruining everything

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like for example

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if u get explosive shot

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it might ruin ur run

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 3:39 PM

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I think this is a decent setup because twin shot and chain shot means that it ricochets six times instead of three

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But the one that allows for rapid fire attacks is also good for either of them

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Alternatively, I could add another Artemis boon and an Aphrodite boon. That's probably the safer play

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:04 PM

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I just tried a Hestia run for the first time, and pretty sure I did something really wrong... Was a 30 min run on 1 heat. Just felt like I had no damage at all, only doing like 245 damage per empowered shot. Any tips/tricks to beef the damage up? Was using heart strike with a level 3 hestia

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common pepehands

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Is that just bad rng?

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I got a eurydice but the ambrosia didn't land on heart strike

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I do yeah, but read that starting with a poseidon dash might be better so did that

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For future runs if I don't start with flower, would it be better to skip heart strikes til a better one pops up? Or how does that work?

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Alrighty

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 4:07 PM

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I kept the build as is and added the god boons. Cleared for the 2nd time.

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Well I can always start the 2nd region with flower too though

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Well I can try a run with it and see if it's better doing that, thank you for your help 😄

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:10 PM

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For speedruns, splash dash start is meta

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Otherwise deadly/heartbreak strike

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Well I'm not really trying to speedrun, just started the game a couple days ago and trying to just farm up bloods and stuff. Just want a rail build that doesn't feel terribly to play/require a god seed lol

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:11 PM

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What level is your hestia?

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:11 PM

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3 so far

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Is that 100 damage?

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Yep

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Ok

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Are you reloading after every shot?

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:12 PM

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As best I can yeah, I mean that was my first run ever with it and I still managed to beat dad pretty easily, just took 5ever

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Only 235 damage per reload

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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235 isn’t terrible

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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oh Sadge

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Try using deadly strike

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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artemis attack?

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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It’ll net you more dps

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Yes

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Try and get hunters mark as well

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Make use of your Special aswell

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If you're not already

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:14 PM

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I was trying to weave it in, since i had the boon that gives 30% more damage and slow

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er hammer upgrade

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I'll give deadly strike start a try

valid dagger Mar 30, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Targetting system yea

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Hazard Bomb is really nice if it shows up

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Aphrodite has better pom/rarity scaling, but artemis scales better with more % bonus boons like boiling blood, chaos etc.

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Well that last run my heart strike was only a common level 4, not sure what to do about the rarity though

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Yeah rarity does not matter with deadly strike

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Ok cool, should be less rng heavy then hopefully

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Poms aren’t that great either

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

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I actually felt like my build would've been insane if my attack boon was higher than 94% lol

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So I should start with artemis? Or start poseidon and switch to art for 2nd region? Like what's the usual generic strat there

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:18 PM

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For normal runs just start Artemis

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:18 PM

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kk, appreciate all the help 😄

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Np squirtyay

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Hestia is one of my favorite aspects

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I've heard people raving over it, so figured I'd try it out, that run just felt exceptionally underwhelming Sadge

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Yeah I thought it sucked at first as well

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

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What kind of numbers should I be hitting? I just bumped hestia up to level 4 for this run

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:21 PM

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With crits and boiling blood and stuff, 1000+

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Heh... yeah I was no where near that lol. This run will probably be a lot better though

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Yeah

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Make sure you pick up hunters mark

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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if you're going artemis, make sure to prioritize getting hunters mark after the attack btw

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yeah lol

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really helps you crit more consistently

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picking up pressure points afterwards and putting poms into it is helpful too

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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should I be poming into mark?

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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And piercing/ricochet

gusty rapids Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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you can toss one pom into mark if its a low rarity

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but i wouldnt do more than that

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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alrighty

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and don't waste poms on deadly strike?

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 4:23 PM

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One or two with low rarity

wise sonnet Mar 30, 2021, 4:24 PM

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well just started with an epic deadly, off to a way better start lol

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804 damage, big pog

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thank you guys a ton lol

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Does Blood Frenzy stack? I wonder about throwing on lucky tooth and seeing if I can get 110% damage if I burn through my death defiances

opal lodge Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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no

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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wow, it doesn't? oof

olive mural Mar 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Dang

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Well, I'll at least get to take advantage of cluster bombs + rocket special for 5 tracking rockets per rail fire

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 5:27 PM

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that's a the dream combo yeah

surreal wasp Mar 30, 2021, 6:07 PM

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hestia is pretty blood dependent i feel

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the lvl1 and 2 are lame

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but lvl5 boom

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 7:24 PM

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does anyone actually use Aspect of Poseidon on Stygius?

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I love the design but it just seems like a direct nerf.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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+50% cast damage is pretty substantial

regal valley Mar 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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it's good for cast-focused builds in general

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if you're using blade rift or the ice beam it benefits from a huge damage boost

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since it never gets lodged anyway

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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also removes your casts immediately with special

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But achilles is better for non lodging casts

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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you can also go the other way and use a lodge cast with exit wounds

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do some of that beeg damage

regal valley Mar 30, 2021, 7:29 PM

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it's like
boiling blood is a great bonus
but it's not make-or-break
you can get away with not using it usually

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like curse of drowning with ares and poseidon is even more busted with an additional 50% damage

keen sage Mar 30, 2021, 10:09 PM

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how exactly does Swift Flourish interact with the Zeus shield aspect? Does the shield fly faster, or hit more frequently, or what?

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Wuts a good combo with artemis for coronacht?

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Just had one with seeking crit cast and it marking enemies for crits

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But idk wut else to do

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Rn I just got the base bow

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Doom is great for Coronacht because you can Special to doom everyone in a 90 degree arc.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:26 PM

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split relic Rn I just got the base bow

Artemis attack, passion dash and Heart Rend is the classic and will go really fast

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Heartbreak Strike + Hunter Dash is very nice, too.

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any crit boon that unlocks Heart Rend.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Yeah I actually prefer that version

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Too lazy to apply weak with my dash

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even if it's optimal

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:41 PM

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For bosses?

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Cause I reeber I could do all bosses besides hades 2nd phase with my cast only

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:43 PM

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You want to go for a cast build?

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:45 PM

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The only bow for Cast builds is Hera, and True Shot is not great for that.

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 10:46 PM

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you want to use crush shot for hera

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:47 PM

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But if you just want to do it anyway, get True Shot + Tidal Dash and look for Mirage Shot.

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And also lots of Chaos Gates for +1 ammo or more Cast damage.

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And check every Well for both, too.

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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?

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Oh, you said you only have base bow.

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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proven osprey even if it's optimal

it might be better if you have double edge tbh

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Well, in that case yeah, Cast is just very far from optimal.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Double edge with Zag bow is pretty rare Appa

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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proven osprey You want to go for a cast build?

Srry no I was wondering if I wanted to take on bosses should I just take the repeater bow boon for auto and some crit boons?

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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er wait this is bow, not nemesis

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shhhh

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Maybr

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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oh, flurry shot

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Twin Shot and Triple Shot are best.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:50 PM

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It's indeed a very powerful hammer

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Ok

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But like would I have time to use triple shot in theseus

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And hades cause I could barely get a shot off

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:50 PM

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It's timing

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Triple works with every bow

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I like it even with Chiron

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Oki

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Wait every bow?

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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It requires practice though, you have to shotgun so it's not easy to use

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Heh?

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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But it's decent aoe anyway

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Thers more bows?

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

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woops

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Be careful around here, you may want to #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:52 PM

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It's fine

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Idrc about spoilers

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And I've already unlocked the titan blood infusion thing

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?

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Ahhhh

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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So yeah, it's called aspects and every weapons has 4 of them

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One is hidden

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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So should I focus on unlocking the ones not hidden?

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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As you wish tbh

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Ok

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Just grab a weapon you like and see if it's cool

split relic Mar 30, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Ok

olive pivot Mar 30, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Just wanna know

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What's the max upgrade for aspect of... uh, the sword aspect that deals crits after special

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:00 PM

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All if them max out at 5 levels

olive pivot Mar 30, 2021, 11:00 PM

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What's the percentage is what I meant

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Oh

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:00 PM

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30%

olive pivot Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Oh

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it's just not worth it then

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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it is

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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it is

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Crit chance is damage

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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30%

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And yes it is

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Dealing a critical every ~3 hits is

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Just

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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And with Artemis

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Insane

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Good lord

silver summit Mar 30, 2021, 11:01 PM

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1/2 chance

olive pivot Mar 30, 2021, 11:02 PM

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wait crits are x3 not x2 I'm foolish

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yeah that's worth my mistake

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:04 PM

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+200% indeed, or 350% with heart rend

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Nemesis sucks. dusa

serene geyser Mar 30, 2021, 11:09 PM

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I really like it.

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Just dash-Special and then wail away

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 11:12 PM

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I could like it if high heat Nemesis wasn't such a pain.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:13 PM

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What aspect would you pick for 50 though?

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Nemesis seems like the """"easiest"""

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among the swords

cunning urchin Mar 30, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Poseidon.

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:14 PM

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EM4 then

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 11:25 PM

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not taking the unga bunga bat to heat 50 cowboy

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:25 PM

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I think poseidon probably

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nemesis is too unga bunga

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:27 PM

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but then how do you even build

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do you just reset for a cast

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 11:27 PM

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lime jolt nemesis is too unga bunga

i meant Arthur

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hit 3 op

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:28 PM

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proven osprey do you just reset for a cast

Ap1

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:29 PM

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JS3 CP2 sigh

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:29 PM

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yeah

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pain

jovial fulcrum Mar 30, 2021, 11:41 PM

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just deal lots of damage, ez

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:41 PM

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I'm not aware of poseidon's damage potential on high heat

lime jolt Mar 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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With lightning phalanx and some poms it shreds

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But that’s kinda hard to do at 50 dusa

proven osprey Mar 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

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yeah

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Crush Shot and Snow Burst have good AOE.

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

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hm

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I'd like to try a PS build then

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like with beo

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I mean in a similar way to beo

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Since it's the same boons

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 12:51 AM

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how am i getting hit by 80+ dmg hits from hades without any dmg increasing mods?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 12:55 AM

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His skull casts apply Boiling Blood to you.

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You'll take double damage while the cast is lodged into you.

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 12:58 AM

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i see

opal vortex Mar 31, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Do you get the bonuses from Ravenous will when you load all your casts into Hera, but you have not shot it yet?

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 1:00 AM

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yes

opal vortex Mar 31, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Nice

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 1:02 AM

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yeah its really nice

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Just found that out today as well dusa

slim lynx Mar 31, 2021, 2:03 AM

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what do you mean hera/beo deal more damage with ravenous will if i load all my casts 😳

solid sable Mar 31, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Any Apect of Poseidon sword builds?

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:11 AM

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slim lynx what do you mean hera/beo deal more damage with ravenous will if i load all my c...

Yeah

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Mind blowing

magic rivet Mar 31, 2021, 2:26 AM

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solid sable Any Apect of Poseidon sword builds?

Crush Shot & Snow Burst

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:27 AM

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I like phalanx shot

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And playing some pinball

solid sable Mar 31, 2021, 2:32 AM

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achilles isnt giving me the guan yu aspect for sword

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smh

magic rivet Mar 31, 2021, 2:32 AM

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That's Nyx

solid sable Mar 31, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Or her either

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did like 8 suicide runs

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still havent got the dialogue

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Also have maxed out pos aspect

slim lynx Mar 31, 2021, 2:34 AM

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electric shot is fun

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for pos sword

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there's a bunch of stuff you wanna get for a cast build so i can't be bothered to go over it

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if you're willing to insist though then sure

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 AM

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solid sable achilles isnt giving me the guan yu aspect for sword

thats cause GY is for the spear

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mozeHueh

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Does giving up on hades fight let u be able to practice him?

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Like when u low

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Cause I wanna practice him with different weapkns

boreal prism Mar 31, 2021, 3:30 AM

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what do you mean?

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if you click "give up" you go back to start, i think

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Oh wait ye

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Nvm

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 3:45 AM

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If you take no damage, you can quit and re enter the hades fight

vagrant maple Mar 31, 2021, 5:22 AM

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it is possible to make a savestate if you are willing to mess with the game files

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you can just copy the temp save file from just before the fight

true island Mar 31, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Does Artemis' dash attack work with Exagryph? In the sense that you can dash while firing with Exagryph. Does that count as a dash attack? For aspect of Zag and Luci in particylar

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Yes.

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But generally speaking you don't want to Dash-Strike with Lucifer.

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It's best with Hestia.

hoary slate Mar 31, 2021, 7:02 AM

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You don't get Hunter Dash with Lucifer

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Yes you do.

true island Mar 31, 2021, 7:04 AM

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I had a Zag build with extra ammo hammer. Was wondering if dashing around while lighting everything up would benefit too

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:04 AM

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Yeah, you get extra damage from that.

true island Mar 31, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Huh. Should have taken it then. I finished the run with no dash

tidal scaffold Mar 31, 2021, 7:15 AM

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lol I read that and for a moment I thought you did something that made you have 0 dashes

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and I was like th

finite iris Mar 31, 2021, 7:28 AM

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You increase your Attackspeed when dashing while firing with the rail, you miss some shots here and there if you dash in weird angles though. Not sure if Lucifer can miss those shots while dashing too.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:10 AM

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for charon, you need to know his attack pattern mainly @fluid marten

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he has a clear telegraph for each of his attacks

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you need to learn that timing

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and how to dodge it

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also, dont fight charon in tart pretty much ever

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:10 AM

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O

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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your build will be weak and you wont have as much health, while charon will have the same hp that he would in elysium, for example

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Got it, so later charon is better

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Is it usually worth fighting him or nah?

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Maybe for like a hammer?

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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the best weapons to fight him with are probably ranged ones with high dmg potential, like hestia or chiron

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no

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its fun on a casual run

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Goooot it

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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It's not worth if if you play on a timer.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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but if youre pushing heat or trying to go fast, its not really worth

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Although, with TD2 it's fine tbh.

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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👍👍 i will spend my effort learning more relevant fights then

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I think at this point, I'd have the time for him on TD3, too.

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Depending on Heat.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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if you do want to learn something, id recommend just to keep pushing heat

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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ALSO i know you guys are probably infinitely far beyond this, but alecto is the hardest basic fury, right?

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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yes

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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But the fight is also just very difficult lol.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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i hate alecto and i have like 400 hrs into the game

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Ok i feel vindicated

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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lol

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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tis comes close

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I think Alecto is the easiest.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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but alecto is just

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Meg is the hardest.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:12 AM

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terrible

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meg hardest? nah

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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no way

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Tis is free for me

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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alecto's hardest at high heat for me

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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alecto takes a dd always from me on speedruns

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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I guess she gets harder as you get hogher heat then

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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i still find tis to be the easiest fury at high heat

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meg and alecto are both problematic

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Alecto just does nothing for much of the fight. What are you even getting hit by. dusa

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Tis < meg <<<<< power gap <<<<< alecto but i haven't even tried my first heat run

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Her spammy sword blades and bullet hell attack thingy T_T

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I'm bad at dodging

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Also her arena has the most annoying trap layout

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:15 AM

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The traps are always in the same locations lol.

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She also steps into them a lot.

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Her bladerifts are not even moving fast, she always looks in the direction she throws them, and it's very telegraphed when she's about to throw them.

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Yeah but all that is still harder than meg who is super basic, and tis who is just lol

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What do they get on higher heat that makes their difficulty ratings mixed up)

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More attacks?

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Or is it just the damage scaling suddenly makes one particular attack REALLY bad?

valid dagger Mar 31, 2021, 8:17 AM

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There is another Fury assisting

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Mmmm got it

valid dagger Mar 31, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Could be 2 assisting

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bouldy

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Bladerifts aside, Meg has stronger versions of anything Alecto does.

valid prism Mar 31, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Other sisters assisting + increased move and atk speed, that how meg & alecto can be problematic

fluid marten Mar 31, 2021, 8:19 AM

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👍

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Aight yo! Good night 🙂 i've got lots to look forward to it seems!

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:20 AM

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EM1 also gives them a little bit more HP.

chrome girder Mar 31, 2021, 8:42 AM

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What’s a fun build you guys recommend

fierce bronze Mar 31, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Merciful end

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Ares athena duo

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Hunting blades (ares artemis) is stupid fun too

patent raven Mar 31, 2021, 9:14 AM

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chrome girder What’s a fun build you guys recommend

Sea Storm + Flurry Jab for spear.

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(Zeus/Posideon duo)

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Heavy on the push buffs.

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 9:53 AM

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or you can just do zeus attack on flurry jab spear lol

stable compass Mar 31, 2021, 10:01 AM

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what's a fun build for guan yu?

limber cloak Mar 31, 2021, 10:53 AM

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athena attack, then you just get good spin hammers

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and keep spinning all day

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and stand in your spin circle

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thats fun, if you want a good guan yu build: artemis special with aphro attack, and you go for heartrend and try to get special hammers like charged skewer and breaching skewer

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 11:13 AM

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valid prism Other sisters assisting + increased move and atk speed, that how meg & alecto ca...

I don’t know why, but Alecto is the easiest for me

valid prism Mar 31, 2021, 11:14 AM

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I think it depends a lot because of the aspects

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 11:16 AM

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Meg just sucks

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And Tisiphone is meh

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I don’t like her small chambers

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:16 AM

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i dont like alecto, mainly because of the spinny blades

valid prism Mar 31, 2021, 11:16 AM

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Tisiphone is the easiest for me but sometimes I still can dash on the wrong place

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:16 AM

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i hate getting hit by those

valid prism Mar 31, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Meg's projectiles are the most annoying compared to Alecto's ones

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:17 AM

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meg is fine

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i can easily dodge those

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by walking around

valid prism Mar 31, 2021, 11:18 AM

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Alecto glyphs are fine once you have the timing, while Meg's ones can be surprising

spiral badge Mar 31, 2021, 11:18 AM

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Megs projectiles can be easily circumvented with the tried and true Gungeon technique of..... backing away while she’s shooting

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:18 AM

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yeah

spiral badge Mar 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

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Alecto is just a meanie pants 😣

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

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how do you get second wind from hermes. I've done so many runs and haven't seen it once

spiral badge Mar 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

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F-tier fury

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

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hollow wraith how do you get second wind from hermes. I've done so many runs and haven't seen ...

pretty sure you have to get any call

spiral badge Mar 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

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Meg bae Tis besto friendo

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:20 AM

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because i think its the one that gives you extra move speed and dodge chance after you call

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:20 AM

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spiral badge Meg bae Tis besto friendo

alecto is goddess of trash

coral cave Mar 31, 2021, 11:23 AM

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Alecto slander 😴

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 11:45 AM

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strange lark pretty sure you have to get any call

you right I get it 2 minutes after you say that lol

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Is dionysus hangover actually good? I love festive fog but hangover damage seems so low, even if it stacks it's only doing like 50 damage a second

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 11:47 AM

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hollow wraith Is dionysus hangover actually good? I love festive fog but hangover damage seems...

pom it

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#h1-victory-boasting message

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my epic hangover build

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 11:49 AM

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Damn noice

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Damn hades em4 is crazy. I was doing so much damage but when there's two minibosses I just got blasted

silver summit Mar 31, 2021, 12:47 PM

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What'What's the best cast for poseidon ft exit wounds

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Artemis cast maybe?

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Since it doesn't bounce

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And you can get exit wounds easily

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 2:09 PM

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aw no way I didn't think em4 would have 3 phases. I messed up and was on last life but thought it was worth it because he was low hp but his last phase is just nasty

silver summit Mar 31, 2021, 2:14 PM

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loll

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:15 PM

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yeah just em4 by itself is extremely hard

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When he does his triple attack, I suggest dashing to the side no matter what in case he throws his spear

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 2:17 PM

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zzzzz

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how many escape attemps does it usually take before someone completes their first run through?

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:18 PM

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took me 37

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Took me 25

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Yeah at least em gives loads of heat so I don't need many other options on

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 2:19 PM

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how tf am i at 51 and not even close?....................

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:19 PM

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watch some guides

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 2:19 PM

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been there done that

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:19 PM

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I was struggling a lot and as soon as I watched one, I cleared in the next two attempts

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if you want you could send me a VOD and I could give some tipes @turbid needle

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 2:52 PM

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got a lvl 6 Heroic Doom special right now. Maybe I might make it this time

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 2:53 PM

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you got it!

hollow wraith Mar 31, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Is it a boss or regular room you're struggling with

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 3:15 PM

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limber cloak thats fun, if you want a good guan yu build: artemis special with aphro attack, ...

Other way around for Heart Rend is more effective.

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Since the go-to combo is Special > Dash-Strike x2.

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Both work tbh

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Artemis special is just a bit more fun

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 3:28 PM

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They work, but there's not as much point in looking for Heart Rend if you have Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike. It's not gonna do half as much.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:03 PM

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What's the best cast for hera bow?

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Rn I'm trying a poseidon cast build with boss dmg

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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artemis

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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And artemis attack

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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no

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aphro attack

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poseidon special just to get mirage shot

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Y aphro

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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aphro attack to get heart rend

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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extra crit damage to weak enemies

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:04 PM

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I using artemis for crit dmg

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Oooh

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Heck well I got no aphro stuff

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:05 PM

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just use her keepsake

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:05 PM

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I did

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I'll try that next run ig

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:05 PM

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bruh

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:05 PM

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I used her keepsake trying to get her cast

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And poseidon for the extra boss dmg

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Should I be using auto bow with cast or nah?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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you shouldnt aim to get a boon for every situation

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auto bow?

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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The one that fires rapidly

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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rapid shot?

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oh

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Ye

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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sure

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its fine

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Cause ur only gonna be casting a lot

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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you just want most of the damage coming from casts

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Ok

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:08 PM

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split relic What's the best cast for hera bow?

Crush Shot and Flood Shot are the meta in high heat and speedruns.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Which is crus

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Crush*?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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aphro

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Oki

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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she is good too

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i just like artemis more

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Ye aphro cast seems kinda bad

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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nah

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it is great with hera

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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At least when I tried it

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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how did you use it

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Plus I like the aoe of flood shot for cerberus rooms

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:10 PM

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strange lark how did you use it

Idek. I had 4 stones and was shooting it at enemies

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 4:10 PM

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thats called every cast in the game

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:10 PM

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That is tru

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I had just that

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And aphro attack

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Didn't get far cause I died

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:17 PM

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The way you wanna build Crush Shot on Hera is Eternal Rose in Tartarus for Crush Shot, get all the poms on it, and in Asphodel you look for Snow Burst and Ravenous Will.

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Then you always either pom Snow Burst or Crush Shot.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Ok

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How would I be building artemis cast or flood shot?

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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or the cast right?

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you cant pom rav

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Oh oops. That's what I meant to write lol.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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lol

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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@opal lodge thanks. dusa

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:18 PM

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arty cast or flood shot you force mirage shot

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:19 PM

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From there, Blown Kiss, Killing Freeze, and Winter Harvest are all great. And Tidal Dash is ideal if you can also get that.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Oki

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Razer shoals or the boss one good too?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:19 PM

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True Shot tbh is kinda bad on Hera because it doesn't have AOE, and the seeking does nothing for you because you aim it with your bow anyway.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Ok

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:19 PM

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yeah true shot is kind of whatever

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phalanx shot or crush shot are the best imo

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:20 PM

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So u wanna look for like big aoe for hera

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:20 PM

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You want at least some AOE and big damage. Crush Shot and Phalanx Shot have both.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Ok

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Flood Shot has a bit less damage but better AOE.

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And it opens up Tidal Dash right away.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:21 PM

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What's so good about title ash

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:21 PM

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And then your aim is pretty much to just one-shot everything, and pick your ammo back up right away.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Tidal dadh

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:21 PM

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damage

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aoe

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Ok

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

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highest base dmg dash

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by a long shot too

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Great pom scaling, too.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:22 PM

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So take demeter boons with poseidon or nah?

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 4:23 PM

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snow burst is always good on hera

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 4:23 PM

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Ok

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:24 PM

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I don't know if Blizzard Shot is better or worse than Flood Shot on Hera since Blizzard Shot doesn't drop immediately, as it doesn't lodge. So your Casts do more damage, but you also can't use them as often.

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Don't have enough experience with Flood Shot on it to gauge that.

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 4:25 PM

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cunning urchin The way you wanna build Crush Shot on Hera is Eternal Rose in Tartarus for Crush...

can you pom rav will?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:25 PM

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You also want to take as many Chaos Gates as possible on Hera for +1 ammo and extra Cast damage.

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 4:26 PM

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lime jolt can you pom rav will?

Don't know what you mean. I wrote Snow Burst or Crush Shot.

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dusa

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 4:26 PM

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bouldy

wise sonnet Mar 31, 2021, 5:05 PM

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If you pick up the chaos boon that gives damage to your attack, does that also apply to your dash attack? Or does it only apply to non-dash attacks?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:05 PM

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all damage from attack

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so yes

wise sonnet Mar 31, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Perfect, thank you 🙂

gray edge Mar 31, 2021, 5:37 PM

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im running aspect of nemesis and i was wondering what is good build if i want to make the most out of poseidons boons?

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got his attack special and cast to choose from

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:37 PM

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special?

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maybe

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if you want to keep enemies away from you

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other than that poseidon doesnt have any good boons if you are making a different build

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Cast. Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is a good combo on Nemesis. And Flood Shot has good AOE.

gray edge Mar 31, 2021, 5:38 PM

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aight ill try that one!
ty!

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would i try to go more into poseidon or rather look for other boons?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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artemis

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free mirage shot

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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You'd want to look for Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.

gray edge Mar 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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ive heard a few times that poseidon is supposedly super stronk so i wanna explore that

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Both are good.

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Poseidon is good on Dash specifically.

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But not really on Nemesis because Nemesis relies on Dash-Strikes, and Tidal Dash will keep pushing enemies out of your Dash-Strike range.

gray edge Mar 31, 2021, 5:40 PM

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i see

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:41 PM

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tidal dash is not good with melee weapons

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most of the time

gray edge Mar 31, 2021, 5:41 PM

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generally speaking
what would that combo be, that makes poseidon such a damage powerhouse?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:41 PM

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99% of poseidon builds use sea storm

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so yeah

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Um.. Sea Storm isn't really a big factor at all for Tidal Dash.

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Tidal Dash, Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave are the big ones.

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:42 PM

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nah just poseidon in general

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 5:42 PM

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bwave is nuts in general

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 5:42 PM

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razor shoals, sea storm, jolted is something that i always try to get for poseidon builds

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Poseidon meta builds are primarily Flood Shot or Tidal Dash, and neither cares that much for Sea Storm. Not that you wouldn't take it if you see it.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 5:45 PM

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sea storm is good dmg

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just basically means youre taking a dead boon on the way

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and poseidon can give you much better than a dead boon

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 5:46 PM

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breaking wave + tidal dash is nutty

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It takes like 2 seconds to clear a styx tunnel

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 6:10 PM

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strange lark razor shoals, sea storm, jolted is something that i always try to get for poseid...

getting the high roll with that is so much fun lol

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I once got it with Cold Fusion.

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 6:19 PM

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is there a list with recommended boons/general strategy for every aspect?

strange lark Mar 31, 2021, 6:19 PM

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no

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 6:19 PM

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bummer

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someone could have made it already

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game is both popular and old

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 6:21 PM

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game is old?

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its been a year

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I don't think thats old lol

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 6:21 PM

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you can kinda just do w/e you want and succeed, especially at low heat

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Ok I'm going to write one right now

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Just my general thoughts on the best builds for every aspect

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 6:23 PM

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kay looking forward to it!

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Its gonna take some time

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 6:23 PM

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have it on my desk by this afternoon, kiddo

boreal prism Mar 31, 2021, 6:24 PM

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with slow attacks you should apply status effects that don't stack. with fast attacks you should apply status effects that do stack.

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 6:28 PM

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i just play with sisyphus keepsake

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dont need to worry about builds that way

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 6:35 PM

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orchid pike someone could have made it already

lol I don't think you appreciate how much work that is for even just one aspect.

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Haelian has some basic guides for all the weapons and some other things. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku

YouTube

Guides

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 6:39 PM

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the main difference is usually "does it have many fast multihits" or "does it do big single dmg hits"

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and then these 2 categories have similar builds

boreal prism Mar 31, 2021, 6:53 PM

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there are essentially 2 weapons

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gun and bow

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 6:54 PM

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yes

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 6:54 PM

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...

boreal prism Mar 31, 2021, 6:56 PM

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and then you have bow-on-a-stick, gun-on-a-stick, bow-on-a-plate, and unloaded gun

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I thought about a guide and stuff

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But it's a lot of work

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 6:58 PM

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...

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Everybody knows I'm a Poseidon master anyway

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Lotsa Poseidon Grand Masters out there, apparently.

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 6:59 PM

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surfing uncle is pretty chill, idk.
I could see him having lots of buddies

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Oh really?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Well, if you're master, there must be lotsa grand masters.

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 7:00 PM

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That's true

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 7:00 PM

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whats ur poseidon elo

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 7:00 PM

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About 40 points of heat

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:21 PM

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okay here they come

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I put a lot of time into these, so please don't judge to hard shadegrief

fervent elbow Mar 31, 2021, 7:22 PM

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We will judge you dusa

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Okay no one message rn so they all come in order

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:22 PM

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i'll try not two

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too

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to

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toooo

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:23 PM

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My thoughts on the best/optimal builds for every aspect
I'm just going put how to build Merciful End right here since it's going to show up a lot-
Start Vial in Tartarus and hope for a natural Athena. Take her special/dash- whichever one shows up first. Keep in mind that the special is one of the pre-requisites for Merciful End, but dash is required for the build to actually get going. Once you get Merciful End + Divine dash, look for impending doom. Once you have these boons, it doesn't really matter what boons you get. Just take whatever you have fun with or acorn/tooth if you are scared of dying. Now onto the aspects

I'm also going to outline ZAP as an alternative to Merciful End on some weapons and the fact that it is one of the best builds on others. ZAP stands for:
Zeus attack
Artemis special
Poseidon Dash
An alternative to ZAP would be something like Blade dash, divine strike, divine flourish, deadly reversal(I have been told by a lot of people that this works a lot better than ZAP, so you can do whichever one you prefer). Smoldering air is also one of the top tier duo boons and syrnergizes extremely well with all of these builds.

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Stygius
Aspect of Zagreus- Use Merciful End(I told you it's going to show up a lot) or go get Double Edge and Deadly strike + Heartbreak flourish into Heartrend
Aspect of Nemesis - Same two builds as Aspect of Zagreus, but Nemesis just does them better.
Aspect of Poseidon - Start phalanx shot and try and pick up Lightning Phalanx or go Zeus cast for big AOE room clears. For both of these try and get Exit Wounds. Mirage shot is also a really good boon for these
Aspect of Arthur - The optimal build here is Deadly/Heartbreak strike. If you go Deadly strike, try and pick up Heartrend

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Varatha
Aspect of Zagreus - A fun way to build this aspect is to pick up Exploding Launcher + Charged Skewer. Put Deadly Flourish on the special, and you're good to go. The go to build for Zag spear is picking up flurry jab and going either Lightning Strike or Deadly strike. If you go Lightning Strike, try and look for Splitting bolt
Aspect of Achilles - Any non lodging cast on this weapon is fun such as Crystal Beam, Slicing Shot etc. The top tier build is exactly like the Zag spear flurry jab build, except Achilles does it better since you get a 150% attack bonus with your special!!!
Aspect of Hades- Pick up either Exploding Launcher or Serrated point. For exploding launcher you want Deadly Flourish and for Serrated point you want Deadly Strike. Heartrend is good for both of these. You could also go the ME route which is more commonly used it speedrunning
Aspect of Guan Yu- Charged skewer makes this weapon a beast. Pick up Deadly Flourish and you've got yourself a run. Heartrend is always good

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Aegis
Aspect of Zagreus - +15 attack damage is really good for cirt builds. Pick up deadly strike and either get Pulverizing blow or Charged shot. Heartrend is always good
Aspect of Chaos- There are 3 good builds you can go here. Either doom/hangover/Lightning special. All of them work. For Doom, you don't really need anything. For hangover go Low Tolerance and/or Curse of Nausea. For Lightining, look for Jolted or Double Strike
Aspect of Zeus - Zeus squared. Put zeus on the special and just look for more zeus. It'll work out, trust me
Aspect of Beowulf- Flood flare/Dio beo. Flood flare has easy access to mirage shot and is much more consistent. Trippy flare requires chaos cast stones, mirage shot, and hopefully the hermes legendary. It's less consistent but it has much more destructive potential. You want to run Infernal with Flood flare and Stygian with Trippy

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Coronacht
Aspect of Zagreus - Pick up Deadly strike and get either Twin shot/Triple shot. Flurry synergies's really well with these. Heartrend is good here as well
Aspect of Hera - Crush shot. Try and pick up mirage and snow burst
Aspect of Chiron- Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak strike is easy Heartrend. Try and pick up either Concentrated or Relentless Volley. Drunken Flourish with Low Tolerance and Curse of Nausea isn't bad either
Aspect of Rama- Build this exactly like zag bow, but since you can't get flurry, pick up either twin/triple + perfect/point blank. Put Zeus or Dionysus on the special for some extra damage from your special

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Malphon
Aspect of Zagreus - Either ZAP or ME
Aspect of Talos - Either ZAP or ME. People have used crush shot on talos since you get a +50% cast bonus with your special, and enemies get pulled towards you
Aspect of Demeter - ZAP or ME
Aspect of Gilgamesh - ZAP doesn't work great here but ME still does. Another fun build to do is a dash only run with Zeus/Poseidon/Ares dashes with Ruthless Reflex

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Exagryph
Aspect of Zagreus - Spread Fire + Deadly Strike works really well here since Zag rail gives you +12 ammo. Pick up extra hermes dashes and you're zooming. ZAP also works great
Aspect of Eris- Just read the world record holder's guide for it: https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/
Aspect of Hestia Deadly Strike is great because of the big base damage. Splash dash is also a great start here and forcing deadly strike in elysium Good hammers are Ricochet Fire, Hazard bomb, Piercing Fire, and Explosive Fire. You want to be reloading after every shot with this weapon. Get into the swing of things
Aspect of Lucifer - ZAP works really well here. A fun build to try here is Supersoaker in which you start poseidon attack and pick up Seastorm. Triple bomb is probably the best hammer for Lucifer

Hades Speedrunning

Lili

Eris Rail Guide

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phew

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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pretty nice

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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@opal lodge yeah, I think after that, you don't get to judge anyone anyway. heyred

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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not too bad

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i was making fun of pengys spelling lol

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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I did not pay attention to much spelling lol

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Not two bad.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:25 PM

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hera probably wants snow burst too

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fwiw

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:25 PM

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iM soRrY

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 7:25 PM

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good work kiddo, you did the commissioner proud

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:25 PM

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there you go bright I fixed it

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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why deadly flourish zag rail

fervent elbow Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Not bad for a summary guide

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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dont you want deadly strike?

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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oh yeah

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I can't in good conscience support any guide that spreads ZAP propaganda for Malphon.

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:26 PM

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My mind was going wonky at the end

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:27 PM

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zap good

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but blade dash better

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ZAP sucks. dusa

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:27 PM

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GUYS STOP JUDGING

fervent elbow Mar 31, 2021, 7:27 PM

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I would add triple bomb for Lucy, but maybe that's my addiction to it

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:27 PM

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meanies

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:28 PM

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fervent elbow I would add triple bomb for Lucy, but maybe that's my addiction to it

changed it

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:28 PM

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i like triple anything on luci

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:28 PM

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So on a scale of 1-10 how is it

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:29 PM

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strong 8

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deserves a nice yellow flannel review

fervent elbow Mar 31, 2021, 7:30 PM

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10/10 would recommend

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 7:31 PM

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KomodoHype/PogChamp

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:31 PM

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0/10 for ZAP propaganda and not recommending Heartbreak Flourish on Guan Yu.

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:31 PM

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bouldy

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I only grade in pass or fail.

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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rocket bomb lucy when popCat
Devs are suppressing our freedom

wraith spruce Mar 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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ZAP?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Heartbreak Flourish > Deadly Flourish Guan Yu.

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That's not bias.

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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I explained ZAP at the top

fervent elbow Mar 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Not having much hammer choices on Lucy allow for better chance to have triple bomb

boreal prism Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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what about uhhh... crush shot on posiedon aspect...

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is that as good as it seems in my head

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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what makes zap great

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Also ME is speedrun meta on Guan Yu.

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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turbid needle what makes zap great

Nothing. dusa

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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crush shot is fine on poseidon

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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dusa

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:33 PM

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turbid needle what makes zap great

I just put it as an alternative to ME so people wouldn’t think the guide was boring dusa

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:34 PM

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uh okay

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:34 PM

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zap was better when you had a reliable flat damage scaler in the form of dad call

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now that you dont you kind of really need rush delivery

lime jolt Mar 31, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I couldn’t think of any other basic fists build

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:34 PM

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1.0 dad call was just super busted for zap

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divine strike always good pengy

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I mean zeus+aphro stuff

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drunken strike stuff

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all works out rly well for me

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:35 PM

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blade dash is quite strong

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:35 PM

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you have deadly reversal but I cant vouch for how good that 1 isd

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:35 PM

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for fists

jovial fulcrum Mar 31, 2021, 7:36 PM

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ZAP overrated, DAD activated eyes1

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:39 PM

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the DR build is quite good

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:40 PM

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ZAP has a few issues: (1) Tidal Dash can often push enemies out of Dash-Upper range, (2) you'll find it much harder to dash behind enemies for backstab Dash-Uppers, and (3) Deadly Flourish will often take more hits to kill anything in your run on average than Heartbreak Flourish unless you have Rush Delivery or something.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:41 PM

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yeah i cant recommend it in good conscience without 1.0 dad call or rush delivery

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 7:42 PM

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is tidal dash taken just for the dmg or are there cool duo boons to be gained

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Just for the damage.

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ZAP also doesn't get Sea Storm anymore.

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 7:43 PM

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imagine using tidal dash when the SUPERIOR BLADE DASH exists

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:43 PM

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It has like no internal synergy. It's just a mish-mash of high damage options that requires 3 gods.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:43 PM

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true

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yeah blade dash is better now imo

orchid pike Mar 31, 2021, 7:43 PM

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gotchu

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 7:43 PM

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but also zap is just stinky

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zero damage

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ok not zap anymore but like

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zax

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whatever

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z + a + roll the dice for what dash to take

proven osprey Mar 31, 2021, 7:44 PM

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zab

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Lightning Strike + Heartbreak Flourish + Zeus' Aid, now there's a build.

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 7:44 PM

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part of it is literally just bc fists suck

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:44 PM

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You'll have Smoldering Air more often than not.

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:46 PM

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opal lodge yeah blade dash is better now imo

I've never seen Blade Dash add very much when I used the DPS meter tbh.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:46 PM

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really? interesting

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it scales quite well with poms

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:46 PM

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It was always like 6% of my damage at best, maybe.

opal lodge Mar 31, 2021, 7:46 PM

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and engulfing is usually worth investing for

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Best dash imo is Hunter Dash.

gusty rapids Mar 31, 2021, 7:47 PM

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the best dash is divine dash because ME is the only build on fists that does damage squirtheh

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Easy Support Fire, and so much of your damage comes from Dash-Strikes and Dash-Uppers.

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Divine Dash is great, too, because Blinding Flash and Proud Bearing.

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And Deflects can speed up Elysium. Don't gotta hunt down every single Spreader.

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@lime jolt tbh I don't use Crush Shot on Talos because of the Cast damage bonus, I use Crush Shot because the Dash-Upper sucks on Talos, and I need to get my damage from somewhere. Crush Shot just works on anything. dusa

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Which aspect should I unlock rn

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I got 2 titan blood

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And I already got hera and the crit one for sword

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And magnetic fists

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I use the Special mainly for the pull. Debuff only really for bosses.

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Idk whichever sounds fun to you.

turbid needle Mar 31, 2021, 7:59 PM

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yeah ur gonna get them all anyway

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Should I just buy the 1 titan blood one?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 7:59 PM

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I'd put everything into Zag Fists and use them to get more bounties to max out Demeter Aspect, personally.

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Then finish bounties with Malphon.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 8:00 PM

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k

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Should have a lot of Titan Blood for whatever else you want to max by then.

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But that's me.

split relic Mar 31, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Wait does adding heat always reset the boss rewards?

cunning urchin Mar 31, 2021, 8:01 PM

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