do yall like chaos or zeus shield more??
#h1-builds-and-combat
dusky drum
dusky drum
lol pre nerf chaos was busted
sour temple
the animation is kinda slow which makes the whole weapon slow
dusky drum
since like, i play whats fun and good
sour temple
but is one of the funnest aspects
sour temple
not you're using mouse
dusky drum
oh yea i play on switch :/
and even when i played EA on computer i still used controller
lime jolt
Switch gang
static karma
What builds work with spear for hades aspect? like what duos if any, or just builds in general
dusky drum
they asked for hades aspect and you gave everything but hades :/
i like to go with heart rend tbh
lime jolt
Exploding launcher is v good
dusky drum
or a big enough damage is nice for main attack
magic rivet
Whoops I didn't see the hades part
sour temple
First off Spin hammers obviously
lime jolt
You really don’t need them
magic rivet
Yeah I'd go with Heart Rend
lime jolt
Just exploding launcher/serrated point
magic rivet
Best hammer is probably serrated point
lime jolt
Serrated is v good
magic rivet
Maybe exploding launcher if you're worried about getting hit
dusky drum
Serrated is v good
is it?? i dont like the reduced dash range
feels really restricting
magic rivet
It's triple dash strike damage
magic rivet
And three times the chances to crit
lime jolt
It’s dangerous but good
magic rivet
The goal is to kill the enemies faster than they kill you
sour temple
the shorter dash makes it easier to Dash-Strike and hit the target more times
slate salmon
Honestly im with you with the baby dash :/
dusky drum
Honestly im with you with the baby dash :/
:3
slate salmon
I like my panic button effective
magic rivet
You can always get extra dashes from Hermes
sour temple
You can't always get extra dashes from Hermes
dusky drum
You can always get extra dashes from Hermes
boon dependence kinda poopy
like yea i like ares chiron but thats besides the point
magic rivet
We're already talking about specific hammers and that's more rng reliant
sour temple
Unrelated but it takes 430 ms between when you cast you spear and when you can retrieve it. 400 ms on a maxed out Zag spear
You can almost immediately shoot it out again after that
dusky drum
those 30ms feel nice tho ngl
sour temple
One of the big reasons why spear special feels so week
magic rivet
30ms more for enemies to kill you
wispy fossil
Hey guys I have a potentially very interesting question
I have slothful soul which gives me -52% move speed and afterward I gain +65 health
And now I can get slothful lunge which is another -52% move speed and I gain +88% dashstrike damage
So will I be able to move if I take this?
dusky drum
yea you have negative speed lol
wispy fossil
It really would
magic rivet
Weird
flat garden
rush delivery bonus on life support
magic rivet
Rush delivery reduces the damage you deal
wispy fossil
I mean I'm VERY slow but I can move
flat garden
just dash everywhere lol
wispy fossil
lol gonna have to
magic rivet
Imagine if you had reduced dash range on top of that
magic rivet
I guess bull rush could still get you places
cloud vault
Hazard bomb Lucifer? That's new
dense ginkgo
I meant hazard bomb hestia
or zag
gusty rapids
well partly that yeah
proven osprey
The aspect requires much more practice than most, that is all
gusty rapids
also the attack combo is sadge
guan yu is a very interesting aspect
one that I am very content letting other people figure out the interesting bits, however
like astaos here
proven osprey
The fun thing is that you don't use they attack sure, yet it has more combos and possibilities than other spears
gusty rapids
yeah sometimes I wonder if it’s worth throwing in more attack combos a la Arthur style
since you can dash buffer them
wraith token
Guan Yu is my favourite spear, but I've had more success with the Achilles dash
i get massively done in by damage
weak sequoia
What calls are preferred like is there anything specific weapon wise?
stoic sparrow
Guan Yu is simply the git guddest weapon
And is absurdly fun if you find the charge faster hammer
proven osprey
Zeus, Dionysus and Poseidon are good for damage. You want to use them as lesser calls in order to optimize the damage. Artemis is also fine but you mostly want the greater call. Aphrodite is good too : it does not rely on rarity or poms to be efficient. A lesser call will charm an enemy which can deal some good damage or save you from a dangerous situation. The greater call is a boss killer. Athena is a good defensive one, usually better as a lesser call too. @weak sequoia
stoic sparrow
Also if you can get that hammer and any boon that makes your attack look fancier, suddenly Elysium theme becomes You Spin Me Round and Zagreus turns into Pete Burns
Dionysus or Aphrodite prefered
manic willow
Hah
weak sequoia
um u was doing a run with chiron boy dont have anything on my special and have drunken dash and aphro for attack
and i got this
damn it cant send image
but i got aphro special
a legendary and a duo low tolerance and unhealthy fixation
glad void
best thing abt nemesis builds is that theyre so unga bunga u dont even notice forced overtime
weak sequoia
do i take legendaries over duos?
glad void
take the one who has little scroll icon next to it 🧠
weak sequoia
no prophecy icon 😔
glad void
legendaries purge for more i think
weak sequoia
legendaries purge for more i think
lol i want a keeper not a selling one lol
confused between legend and duo now
i can get dio on special so i can have 3 more stacks or get charm on my attack
manic willow
I just got gun hammer special which lets u rapid fire 3x
I bet that’s good with the bigger radius more damage hammer
glad void
unhealthy fixation is fun since hyades fight sometimes he just stops mid attack to be charmed half a second
weak sequoia
I just got gun hammer special which lets u rapid fire 3x
I bet that’s good with...
oo
manic willow
So much damage :))
It’s great to hide in second phase dad and justnpelt him with special while he’s still
glad void
ive never used low tolerance but its prob neat vs bosses if u manage to get 8 stacks on them
weak sequoia
i took the duo and first time for somereason just lost 2 DDs to furies
THE FURIES 😭
glad void
yh its def way better vs not bosses, and tbh prob better vs bosses too unless u got some insane poison synergies
just got heart rend on my unga bunga nemesis build with aphro special artemis attack 😎
stoic sparrow
If it makes you feel better Furies can be deadly on EM and high heats
Really deadly
glad void
furies are harder than lernie tbh unless u have on the trap damage thing
stoic sparrow
EM Lernie can be cheesed at least
wraith token
EM Theseus enrages me because it's Theseus
stoic sparrow
EM triple Furies is annoying
glad void
em theseus is hilarious
stoic sparrow
EM Theseus is funny
glad void
tbh i find asterius gets a way bigger buff from em
stoic sparrow
He looks like a dumbass
glad void
his spin to win is so annoying
stoic sparrow
Beyblade Asterius hits hard
wraith token
He looks like the one kid who wears all his designer clothes to school
weak sequoia
He looks like a dumbass
yea
glad void
i love how achilles also hates him
stoic sparrow
Asterius doesn't have his buttcheeks right
glad void
and dio
weak sequoia
i literally turned down EM so i dont have to fight theseus on his chariot he just runs over me and like everytime i lose 2 dds in that fight
stoic sparrow
Because they were left on the chair
glad void
i basically always have divine dash by that point cuz i want to not think and just click special dash attack repeatedly
so his chariot is p free
glad void
poseidon dash is great its just that i never lack dps really
and i way prefer more protection, on shield builds ill take poseidon over divine dash even prob
glad void
poseidon dash is still second choice with artemis dash for me its just that athena dash just lets me not have to think at all with nemesis
stoic sparrow
Athena dash is free win ye
glad void
when i have poseidon dash tho its pog vs hades if its a decent level cuz u just dash around hades when he swings and do quite a bit of dmg
viral star
is the hermes legendary any worth it with infernal soul?
flat garden
what cast do you have
flat garden
i only take the legendary if im building around the cast generally
for infernal that is
viral star
while stygian soul hermes boons are good i havent seen too many ppl talk about stuff like greater recall
i really think it's better to take dashes/hyper delivery
flat garden
yeah it's kinda weak compared to its stygian counterpart
glad void
worth it to sell if u dont have the achievement tho
glad void
yh im so used to having 3 dashes so i always dodge to early vs hades when i have two
flat garden
love it when i get greater recall when i have lightning rod
cloud vault
Cursed combo
opal lodge
you usually still get at least one lighting bolt
its kind of the true fool's combo still but fun either way
free dmg
or free 400 gold
depending on which way you look at it
cloud vault
Oh it does hit once?
opal lodge
is the hermes legendary any worth it with infernal soul?
greater recall can be kind of useful for achilles or poseidon sword
right now its kind of useful for poseidon sword phalanx shot builds in speedruns
viral star
i see i see!
opal lodge
since phalanx shot has a tendency to really run away from you
opal lodge
Oh it does hit once?
yee it usually gets one off while its on the ground before flying back to you
viral star
makes sense for zeus cast to run away too
opal lodge
its a bit weird but it can be useful on beowulf as well as a quality of life thing
however, you can only get it by taking the lambent plume
since flurry cast and quick reload are both unavailable on beowulf
that's most of the major use cases for greater recall that i can think of
it's ok-ish as a settle boon on hera but as you guessed hyper delivery is just better
cloud vault
Hera would benefit from an aspect power that worked with Styg
viral star
my stygian soul run was really good and actually benefitted from auto reload and bad news
but i dont think there were any infnernal soul boons that would've helped in the same way
opal lodge
yee thats fair
flurry cast is probably the most direct dps increase
but can be very unwieldy at epic+ rarities
epic/heroic flurry cast you kind of just give up hope of holding onto any of your cast stones
viral star
WHIEITGITUG true!!
also i was thinking about it and Man eris has so much untapped potential it feels
it's the achilles global damage flavor but nobody realizes its potential because zeus go fast
i once had a really fun run with poseidon call + smoldering air, my call did a solid 1080 dmg
opal lodge
hadesprofessor has done some interesting stuff with it on 50 heat
namely flurry cast scint feast
viral star
ooooooo that sounds so cool
viral star
Flurry cast is available on hera?
honest wing
idts
why couldn't they put flurry cast on hera/beo
also for stygian, flurry cast should still be a thing, since at least it makes your cast go faster, so even tho you don't have multiple casts the general speed of your casts is more
empty kelp
might be a stupid question but once you pick up curse of nausea, you can sell the ares boon right? it's not needed to function, is it?
hearty mulch
might be a stupid question but once you pick up curse of nausea, you can sell th...
yeah, you can sell the ares boon
i know this because I had a Heart Rend Achilles run and I had to sell the Aphro boon because of UC
Though honestly I wouldn't exactly recommend it. With some exceptions, Duo Boons function with its components in mind
(said exceptions being Exclusive Access and Sweet Nectar, stuff like that)
empty kelp
ah, it was a chiron bow run and I wanted the attack open for aphrodite attack
which is better for priv. status and lets me grab low tolerance
hearty mulch
yeah, that's a good idea
aphro attack chiron is quite possibly the best move you can do for it
tranquil falcon
bruh
i just 1 shot
the green crystal
on barge of death MM
level 5 heroic trippy shot
mirage shot
bad news
epic chaos cast
all by asphodel miniboss
exclusive access is INSANE
honest wing
yo exclusive access would make chaos actually amazing
also hermes
with exclusive would be amazing, imagine getting like epic hyper delivery and greater haste
also lightning rod and curse of drowning and sweet embrace are trashy duos
hearty mulch
lightning rod is alright if you're also going scint feast
since that way you can still continue the lightning damage
limber cloak
why are you going scint feast on infernal soul, is my question
honest wing
yes
hearty mulch
I mean
It worked for me when I did Eris 32 heat, so
🤷
it's a nice source of supplementary damage when you need to get away from bosses
honest wing
I should really do a 32 heat run
limber cloak
yeah but youre not gonna get two cast duos if trippy shot is not your main dmg source
tranquil falcon
lightning rod works
it's fun
i expected it to be worse with greater recall
but somehow works
the area where it can zappy is very big
also speaking of exclusive access
epic auto reload is fun
hearty mulch
when the Ambrosia Delight decides to upgrade auto reload
flat garden
thats what happened to me on my dem cast run
by the time i put down my final laser, another laser reloaded
hearty mulch
it's beautiful
flat garden
it was.
hearty mulch
if i got a run like that with achilles
i probably wouldn't be so angry at spear
keyword: probably.
flat garden
i despise the spear so i concur with your statement
hearty mulch
you can only suffer so many defeats with a weapon before you start wondering if it isn't you, but the weapon you have in your hands that isn't working out
because in theory, Spear is a great weapon. It's just that my playstyle does not like half-steps like it.
I either go long range or up close and personal. Never both.
flat garden
you got me
flat garden
im not bad at aiming but i much prefer getting so close to the shades that zag can smell their ghostly sweat and then launch them away with a poseidon attack
coral cave
If I'm running like zag bow I'll do twin flurry
flat garden
explosive on rama 
flat garden
i know its just too slow for me
coral cave
I get it tbh
hearty mulch
melee bow is like Arthur in a way
you get great damage
but it is pretty slow
only difference is you don't get to go on a crusade
coral cave
You're a Hindu deity instead
flat garden
i dont think arthur went on a crusade personally lol
hearty mulch
The Crusades started in 1096 and went on to 1271
coral cave
He went on a quest
hearty mulch
though the oldest King Arthur legend was in the 500s
so yeah, he didn't go on a Crusade himself
static karma
to avoid satyr darts in styx do I need to dodge right when they do their tell (which is quick)? the actual darts seem too fast to dodge
tranquil falcon
holy hell this run is going fast
static karma
(FO2 btw)
tranquil falcon
ik its not fast for like actual speedruns
my fastest time before this was like 14 minutes with eris at 10 heat while doing bounties
right now it's 9 minutes going into styx at 20 heat
like literally doing 3k damage PER CAST
if only i had sudden rush
hearty mulch
right now it's 9 minutes going into styx at 20 heat
if you get good sack rng, you're probably going to get an 11-12 minute run going into Hades
so this may actually be a PB
coral cave
That's pretty good time
hearty mulch
tidal dash is literally the best dash boon for speedrunning
bar none
it's so good that Gilga relies on it entirely for damage
tranquil falcon
wait wait
zeus boon
roll for legendary or take double strike
i have high voltage
so legendary is possible
hearty mulch
hmmm
honest wing
what do you have zeus on currently
coral cave
Double strike
hearty mulch
^
tranquil falcon
alright then
hearty mulch
go for double strike, yeah
honest wing
double strike is honestly most of the time better than the legendary lol
hearty mulch
Zeus Legendary is just for the flex
hearty mulch
Good luck!
tranquil falcon
12 minutes
phase 3
holy hell
i just shreded while he was healing
6.4k for both casts
with epic auto reload
coral cave
Good job
tranquil falcon
12:18
hearty mulch
no doubt in my mind
hearty mulch
EZ MONIIIIII
tranquil falcon
holy crap that was fast
tranquil falcon
that would definitely be like sub 10 if i didn't take actual heat
honest wing
what does PB mean
coral cave
Personal best
honest wing
ah nice
dusky drum
ok so
i did a gy run
got charged skewer at the start
got a epic/rare(i forget) arte special
but my opinion remains the same that the weapon is bad :3
i also almost lost the run since asterius chunked out 1/3 of my health every hit
honest wing
dude guan yu charged skewer is so goood
dusky drum
pffttt no
i have better things to spend blood on
like getting my zag aspects to max >:3
i only have like zag rail and hidden aspects left for upgrading
honest wing
bruh
that's literally why you're not feeling it with gy
it is one of the few aspects that works best maxed out
dusky drum
i mean even then 50% reduction sucks
stoic sparrow
I still cannot get used to Achilles spear
fair hazel
Guys do the arbitrary ranks do any to help in leveling up or is it just a position?
hearty elbow
They are indeed arbitrary
dusky drum
i think zag has a line about how arbitrary it is
faint sluice
I still cannot get used to Achilles spear
ive never actually used it, I just always choose hades spear cuz i dont like the concept of achilles or anything at all about guan yu
faint sluice
whaaat
I just like to prioritize high max hp in my runs
which is why i like arthur so much
partially why at least
faint sluice
nah
lucy and arthur are the two best hidden aspects, Im still figuring out how i feel about gilgamesh, but its ight so far
same with rama
its pretty good but im more used to hera
stoic sparrow
because they have bad taste
stoic sparrow
GIT GUD
stoic sparrow
yes you can
faint sluice
i know but like
stoic sparrow
goddman it I haven't said git gud unironically in ages
faint sluice
its an enormous chunk of max health
stoic sparrow
look wha you made me do
lime jolt
Just git gud at the game
faint sluice
meh
but did guan yu have a cool laser sword only he could use that sings when you special
no
he had a dumb stick that made him physically less hearty
oh man i completely glossed over beowulf
I love that one
faint sluice
yeah
but your stick doesnt sing
and why's it called the frost fair blade if it dont freeze nu'n
also guanyu is just charged attack spam from afar, arthur gets right into the action cuz he aint no poosi
dusky drum
and why's it called the frost fair blade if it dont freeze nu'n
it came out with demeter in EA so that might be why
hearty mulch
"Why hello, little godling, I-"
honest wing
is it bad that I had the option to take chaos legendary and rolled it
for another cast
dusky drum
lol, depends on the build pyro
coarse moss
and why's it called the frost fair blade if it dont freeze nu'n
I guess you're not really asking this, but it's a cool story I gotta share.
It is also sometimes referred to as the Frost Fair Blade (冷豔鋸), from the idea that during a battle in the snow, the blade continuously had blood on it; the blood froze and made a layer of frost on the blade.
faint sluice
oooo
hearty elbow
That's some spicy lore
dusky drum
but its completely invalidated by laser sword
its not even a lazer, its just glowy
dusky drum
I guess you're not really asking this, but it's a cool story I gotta share.
``It...
:o thats why the spear dripps blood if you idle
proven osprey
Yeah it's pretty cool
hearty mulch
Wait srsly???
lime jolt
guan yu cool
hearty mulch
Guan Yu Cool
proven osprey
how do you play it though
dusky drum
mostly using special and dash attack, sending out spins now or then for cc and healing
and its so gross
lime jolt
😦
dusky drum
i try to
proven osprey
The dps rotation feel so nice, you can even fit mini spins into it
dusky drum
i did a run last night and it felt eh(it was a charged skewer run)
lime jolt
Thats exactly why I like guan yu so much
dusky drum
kinda boring that i only pressed one button tho
lime jolt
The dps rotation feels so smooth
proven osprey
You're not supposed to special only with charged skewer
lime jolt
^^^
dusky drum
You're not supposed to special only with charged skewer
that was my only source of damage tho, and i had to spin every so often for heals
it has like no dps compared to other weapons
proven osprey
that's wrong
proven osprey
but yeah if you do not like it, there's no point in forcing it
The aspect requires practice compared to most
to shine
tranquil falcon
crap
do i take extra cast
or do i take chaos legendary
2 casts
running achilles crystal clarity
the extra cast curse is 300% trap
the legendary is hidden chambers
tranquil falcon
cast time
fervent elbow
300% trap is free
faint sluice
yeah that trap damage heat thing really kills ya in aspho
but then I end up barely making it through extreme measures hydra and then die by accidentally dashing into an arrow in elysium
fervent elbow
HS is nothing until you do a small misplacing
tranquil falcon
glacial glare
mirage shot
arctic blast
😳
5 greater ca;;s
calls*
30 second em4
i had the doomstone miniboss summoned
so that literally gave me instant greater calls
not even bad news
lime jolt
HS is nothing until you do a small misplacing
HS always gets me at the hades fight
Before that it's not terrible
vernal gale
idk if this is basic, but im having trouble finding kinetic launcher for the fists. is it just RNG?
vernal gale
its not tied down to a specific aspect is it? i been using aspect of zagreus for the past 5 runs and it hasnt shown up lol
lime jolt
no its not
sour temple
Yeah HS can be hard but you can bypass it most of the time
It would be free heat if there were not 30 damage traps in the Hades fight which can easily get you
Yeah it is kinda tough in Asphodel but most of the times you can get out without a hitch
serene zealot
Is any heat free or at least good to ease one into using higher levels of heat?
sour temple
probably no
gusty rapids
what do you mean by ease into higher levels, like certain heats you should get used to?
the "freest" heat you can probably take is low levels of TD depending on how fast you go naturally
sour temple
unless you're a Hades ninja and can be 100 % certain that you will never ever run into a pot in the Hades fight
somber drum
Is any heat free or at least good to ease one into using higher levels of heat?
I find EM1-2, TD1, and MM make the game a little different but not too much harder
FO is good if you just want to make yourself better at the game.
gusty rapids
oh MM is also relatively free yeah
if you want to get into higher heat, good things to practice are EM, BP, and FO
FO in particular
serene zealot
FO is Forced Overtime, right?
gusty rapids
yes
lost swan
how do u even go abt doin single god runs cuz the game seems to really want u to diversify
somber drum
@lost swan I haven't tried one of those but you probably need to rely on the mirror talent Fated Authority to get rid of the rooms you don't want.
lost swan
AHHHH that makes much more sense lmao
I totally forgot abt it
I only ever use fated persuasion
somber drum
I guess get a bunch of money and abuse the well of chiron to make up for those missing boons
somber drum
@pearl hare I don't know if you're supposed to, it's cursed for a reason. Maybe wail on the skulls Hades drops as much as possible to get your health back?
pearl hare
I understand it's not the best thing to rely on but I had trouble going through the bull and the prick so I'm trying to see if I can at least get the first win with that, thanks for the advice.
somber drum
I once gambled on the anvil and got it going into Tartarus, but I couldn't heal myself as fast as the rats could splatter me with poison. I think that was the last time I ever tried cursed slash or the anvil.
Not Tartarus, styx.
pearl hare
I had pretty good results in styx last time I went there with that.
static karma
Extreme measures and forced overtime are good to practice now if you want to get better
Work up to EM3 but EM3 can be nasty
EM1 and EM2 not so bad at low heat
serene zealot
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind
keen mesa
FO 20% is okay, pretty standard to keep it on, especially when you're trying to "speed" run because enemies will come at you faster, means you have to chase them less
but 40% gets ridiculous
I always keep EM3 on, and because I play in Hell Mode, I have some on that I can't turn off (25% less healing, 20% more damage, 20% more enemies, and 15% more enemy health)
so I'm just used to those
that's normal gameplay to me
it starts getting hard when you need to get into the 20-25 heat, because then you need to start turning on additional things like weighing between EM4 or FO2
Some other things that are relatively very easy for Heat include TD1 (clearing the game in 36 minutes should be very, very easy), and UC1 (sell a boon, but this is easier if you take lots of boons and have fated persuasion in case you get 3 you don't want to give up)
pulsar jewel
Hey you guys know how the game tries to maintain a ratio between run progress rewards (boons and stuff, the gold laurel rooms) and meta progress rewards (darkness etc. blue laurel rewards) by keeping track of the rooms you've chosen in the run. Have two questions about that if anyone knows the answer.
-
If you get a choice between a blue laurel room and a shop and you go to the shop, how does the game mark your choice? (Ie. does it increase the run progress or meta progress trackers or both or neither?)
-
What are NPC rooms considered as?
serene zealot
Not sure on 1, but for 2, they should be gold laurel rooms.
clear saffron
does anyone know if hermes can offer you his call-related boons if you're using sigil of the dead ?? i've had a few tries but doesnt look like it
gusty rapids
he can
tranquil falcon
how is beowulf affected by HL?
static karma
I think it’s additive? Don’t quote me on that
So with one HL you would take +30% if I’m right
+20 from HL and +10 from Beo
If I’m right it’s like half a hard labor basically
slim lynx
has anyone actually looked into whether beo is additive or multiplicative
you'd think the top beo players would know the answer by now
@vagrant maple wouldn't you?
vagrant maple
additive
vagrant maple
spear throw does 105 on HL5 beo, and 100 on HL5 other weps
on em4
so +5%
instead of 10%
hearty mulch
Percentages are almost never multiplicative
slim lynx
did you just figure that out trying to do 52 heat or something
half crater
i’m genuinely impressed you remember the exact damage for spear throws
slim lynx
a bit off-putting how beo's damage increase is global
vagrant maple
dead
slim lynx
actually not really. it's tiny
half crater
i just see the dead lol
vagrant maple
yeah you can mostly just forget about the beo damage increase
half crater
i genuinely don’t notice the damage increase
maybe because beo is default for me idk
vagrant maple
it's really not noticable
GY halves your hp, beo takes away 1/20 effectively (on high heat)
so instead of 100 hp you start with 95
just not a big deal
hearty mulch
And with certain boons, like Aphro Different League or Athena Bronze Skin, you can outright negate that vulnerability.
...But those are more valuable to sell for UC anyways.
vagrant maple
yeah those aren't high priority boons
half crater
athena sure does like giving me bronze skin tho
turbid needle
Sisyphus or Aphro/Artemis Trial? I've got Aspect of Zeus with Deadly Flourish, Slicing Shot, and Passion Dash.
I'm leaning Trial, maybe spend some cash to see if I can't get Empty Inside.
flat garden
are you gunning for a fast run
flat garden
sisyphus would be better if you want to go fast
but if youre underbooned i'd go for the trial
turbid needle
It is only 15 Heat.
6 of that is kind of imposter Heat, it's Tight Deadline.
Yeah, I'm going Trial.
flat garden
imposter heat
coral cave
The heat is sus!!!!! 😳
turbid needle
Ah.
If you get Smouldering Air, then sell your Call, then take Hades' Aid, you are locked out of your Call.
daring mango
dusky drum
what level of fo did you have on??
honest wing
do people use ruthless reflex with arthur and/or hestia
sterile nebula
I flip-flop on it with hestia, depends on my mood
Some days, I find it real nice to dash through a projectile then absolutely noscope someone. Other days I just feel like I need that extra bit of iframes and/or distance
cloud vault
Ruthless is good on high damage and or evasion builds
But 2 dashes is safer
If you go lambent zagfist with RR you will have 100% evasion just from that eventually, but it helps to pick up Evasion or Second Wind
cosmic citrus
guys, what weapon deadly reversal is best for? that’s the last duo for the prophecy
robust anchor
fists athena atk art spec
cosmic citrus
fists athena atk art spec
indeed this should be sweet
fringe summit
Any tips for a good Spear build?
limber cloak
For achilles spear, you can go with any cast build
The best casts with it are ones that dont lodge
So things like ares cast, dem cast etc
fringe summit
Ah, i still need to get used to using Q. Spamming Q makes my hand hurt quickly 😛
limber cloak
Just special when entering a room, then cast
remap q lol
You dont need the attack as often with Achilles cast build
Just swap special to left mouse click
fringe summit
Ah thanks!
flat garden
what works best for me is special on RMB and cast on LShift
you can try that, or any remapping really
as long as it's comfy to you
honest wing
I remapped call to LShift on like the first day lol
fair locust
does the scroll wheel have anything going on on m&k?
id just put attack on rmb, special on lmb and cast/call on scroll wheel up/scroll wheel down
keep my hands on movement at all times
fringe summit
No, scroll wheel is not used
fair locust
better yet if you have thumb buttons you should have absolutely no issue remapping to that
but i know not everyone does
coral temple
I use scroll wheel click for Dash if it helps
coral temple
I don't think so
flat garden
i have my index finger on LMB and middle finger on RMB
scroll wheel is too much of a hassle
honest wing
I don't think so
YOOO I JUST REMAPPED RELOAD TO SCROLL UP
hestia just got a lot more convenient
fair locust
yeah the scroll wheel is hella underrated
people never think to map stuff to the up and down
honest wing
might just leave the keyboard for movement and put literally everything else on the mouse
hearty mulch
I have a mouse with three buttons. LMB and RMB are normal, but the third button is used for Special
It also has a number pad on the side, which I use for Summons and beginning recordings
honest wing
what weapon would you take for a call build
call builds sound fun ngl
there are more boons than you'd realise centered around calls
glad void
the hera bow is fun and adds some micromanagement and stuff with it which is engaging
id assume with poseidon or aphro call its really fun
cloud vault
Poseidon with rip current and wave Pounding
Use eris
Zeus call with all the Zeus boons
Artemis call with clean kill and mark
flat garden
there are more boons than you'd realise centered around calls
well yeah its a core boon
honest wing
I personally think zeus call is best
cloud vault
I think Poseidon does a lot of damage fast while making you invul
Zeus has easy smoldering access tho
mild raft
Zeus also lets you attack while it’s active
cloud vault
Proud bearing from Athena is nice to always have a starter call
mild raft
Zeus also has Billowing Strength and whatever that one boon is that charged your call faster
honest wing
yea
cloud vault
Ares lets you apply all the call boosting stuff to your special and dash
honest wing
Ares lets you apply all the call boosting stuff to your special and dash
*cast and dash
cloud vault
And hunting blades
Right, yes
Gilgares
Set the Wound up on your target and enter the beyblade
mild raft
I like the idea of charm-locking enemies with Aphro call shenanigans
honest wing
you would go with eris right
since it's the only thing that can really affect call damage
mild raft
Yea
honest wing
in weapons
tiny olive
ruthless reflex is so nice
hearty elbow
What is?
lime jolt
What?
coral cave
Think he asked what is the worst weapon in the game
hearty elbow
Ye
cloud vault
how so
Wound increases damage
From all sources, even summon
And can be upgraded with hammer
lime jolt
zag spear imo
Its a lot of fun with chain skewer imo
But otherwise it sucks(without flurry jab)
slate granite
how do i get the hidden weapon aspects
hearty mulch
how do i get the hidden weapon aspects
after unlocking all weapons, talk to Achilles. He'll give the waking phrase for the Spear.
slate granite
after unlocking all weapons, talk to Achilles. He'll give the waking phrase for ...
like very aspect and all
slate granite
<#521035166471159828> pinned message
thx
hearty mulch
check the pinned comment there, yeah
half lily
is there a definitive ranking of the best/worst minibosses? like, is there one that is classically hated
weak sequoia
ive been using only the chaos shield and chiron bow for my runs and i wanted to try out new weapons
and wanted to try out spear with guan yu
what boons/daedlus shud i be looking for?
coral cave
is there a definitive ranking of the best/worst minibosses? like, is there one t...
The tartarus sneak and butterfly ball aren't terribly popular from what I've seen
spiral badge
Thinking on it..... those are really the only 2 aren’t they
Everything else is at least tolerable
The sneak is the teleporting Tartarus miniboss
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He sneaky
forest marsh
The tartarus sneak and butterfly ball aren't terribly popular from what I've see...
Dire soulcatcher is the preferred Elysium miniboss for high heat and speed runners, so I think context matters too
hearty mulch
Sneak is absolutely awful
kind finch
does than companion auto aim?
coral cave
Barge isn't my favorite either
hearty mulch
Barge MM is better
spiral badge
Barge you can at least 1-phase if you pass the DPS check
coral cave
Dire soulcatcher is the preferred Elysium miniboss for high heat and speed runne...
I'm just talking like normally encountering the butterfly ball
Not my favourite thing to fight
spiral badge
Though I suppose that goes for the butterflies too
Yeah I take Asterius all day every day
Hell with those butterflies
half lily
i've just been trying to avoid miniboss fights if i have another option
forest marsh
I would put Tiny Vermin as my least favourite, I think
weak sequoia
ive been using only the chaos shield and chiron bow for my runs and i wanted to ...
um
spiral badge
Tiny vermin is rotten just because of how hard he is to keep track of on the screen
coral cave
Oh yeah forgot styx minibosses were a thing
hearty mulch
tiny vermin is awful
coral cave
Tiny vermin and big satyr are detestable
hearty mulch
big satyr is not as bad as tiny vermin
coral cave
Big rat is also not the best
hearty mulch
by a landslide
spiral badge
Big satyr can eat a big bag of swear filter trippers
half lily
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hearty mulch
at least big satyr you can use a Summon to strip away the armor
tiny vermin would likely dig away before you got that thing
half lily
does anyone have a answer to dracio's question?, sorry for derailing the convo, dracio
forest marsh
Guan Yu is fun with Charged Skewer and Aphro or Artemis on special. I also recommend maxing the aspect out before trying it
weak sequoia
what would be max level?
forest marsh
Level 5, same as all aspects. Should cost you a total of 15 or 16 Titan Blood if memory serves
It reduces the health penalty
weak sequoia
15 each upgrade is 3 and im at lvl 3 rn
what if i chose to go with spinnn build whose boon would be better?
forest marsh
Hard to go wrong with Artemis or Aphro still
Then you're looking for Quick Spin and Massive Spin hammers, of course
wispy fossil
How do positive outlook hypersprint and ravenous will stack together for damage reduction?
forest marsh
Dio would be a bad choice for Guan Yu
lime jolt
yes it would be a terrible choice to take dio
charged skewer makes the special one of the best specials in the game(even without it it's still pretty awesome)
tribal cedar
👀 when you get a build so chunky it murks Theseus before his greater call finishes. xD
(That's what I'm calling his phase transition attack)
shy carbon
Does the Hestia Adamant Rail not work with Delta chamber since hestia requires a manual reload?
Nevermind I remembered I could give up to reset, so I tried it and see you can still reload despite infinite ammo
dusky drum
yea just like why bother having infinite ammo since you always reload
i think its piercing and exploding are the hestia hammers you wanna get but im not too keen on it
gleaming belfry
Anybody know a good sword build where you don’t use casts
As I don’t have enough Titan blood to get that aspect
dusky drum
like just zag sword or nemesis??
gleaming belfry
I’m not sure if I have unlocked nememsis
gleaming belfry
I have unlocked the first one and it’s +2
dusky drum
for zag sword you can build it with just about anything
i personally like high damage like arte/aphro/athena on special and or zeus since thats also good on special
and attack can be just about whatever you want
lime jolt
zag sword is good with merciful end
dusky drum
its super easy to prock ps so i recommend putting high damage on special(makes sure it can get a curse like zeus/athena but aphro already gives you one same with dem)
and more so faster things on attack like dio/zeus/dem
ares also works on attack
dusky drum
zag sword is good with merciful end
anything works with ME ngl
static karma
What are good builds for Zeus shield? Just maxed it
dusky drum
zeus
and im not kidding
ummm athena is decent, i heard dem and dio are also decent
ME is very good
lime jolt
Put zeus on special
dusky drum
and its super easy to prock ps so id try for that
its not going to be a big base weapon like arthur, its going to be more ps and status based
strange lark
What are good builds for Zeus shield? Just maxed it
you should try ares special and athena attack and try to get merciful end
you can also switch the two boons
but it is really good
static karma
I'll try both zeus special and ME build, thanks for giving some ideas!
static karma
so far zeus on special is fun
ember mica
Is spread fire on Eris rail good if I have Demeter attack with cold burst on 10 stacks?
ember mica
Also, is it just me, or does Cold Embrace for Demeter cast really suck?
lime jolt
A) Don't do demeter attack on eris
B) cold embrace does kinda suck
lime jolt
Also, is it just me, or does Cold Embrace for Demeter cast really suck?
Dont take spread fire on eris
tribal cedar
best hammer depends on the build you're going for
somber drum
If you get (or probably more accurately are stuck with) Cold Embrace then you will want to keep seeking out Demeter boons because she has a lot that unlock when you have it and make it better.
frosty shard
I like Flurry Shot on the bow, as it saves me from having to charge things up, and with the proper build, you do a lot of damage with the thing anyway.
sour temple
There are purging wells for Cold Embrace
CE is probably the worst boon - the one that hurts your build the most
shy carbon
I feel like CE would be better if it "pierced" Zagreus
I get the idea is it is a tether between him and the cast, but it'd be much simpler to use if it could go through you. But alas
Crystal clarity for the win though
somber drum
My bad, I thought CE was the cast itself. I actually like the boon that makes it target Zagreus.
abstract flower
For Zeus shield, should I go Ares attack, Athena special? Or Athena attack and Ares special?
spiral badge
so far zeus on special is fun
For these runs in particular just keep adding more zeus. Zeus/Zeus is a busted combo
Flip of the coin Tesla
Do you want more damage or more safety on your destructo disk
Cause your regular attack’s getting the other one
Zeus shield’s attack and special are truly equal in terms of their utility and how you use them. You really have less an attack/special as much as you have Attack 1 and Attack 2
So lots of times it can be down to preference exactly where things go
Particularly for ME because you can’t lose no matter which way you build it on Zeus
If I had a gun to my head I would pick athena attack, just because using your attack as a deflector may be more natural than using your destructo disk if you’re newer to zeus shield
abstract flower
I only used Zeus shield once
And had Ares attack and Athena shield. Felt like it was supposed to be the other way around.
spiral badge
Athena disk can be done just fine
But you need to have a good handle on your disk’s dynamics and be decent about winging it around exactly where you want it to be
So I’d probably stick ares on the disk at first because he’s the much more brainless half of the ME equation
That’s probably the more conventional way to build it
Frankly though if you’re new to zeus shield I can’t recommend Zeus/Zeus highly enough as an introductory build
Zeus’d up Zeus shield is one of the few builds approaching ME territory for total total damage output in the game
And it’s one of the easiest builds in the game to get going. You literally just put zeus on zeus shield special and build up his tech tree. That’s it, that’s the build. Everything after is gravy
abstract flower
What boons are not-so-good and should be avoided?
turbid needle
Poseidon
vague hearth
Poseidon if you're a COWARD
abstract flower
~~Poseidon~~
Tidal Dash and Flood shot are good though.
vague hearth
Poseidon also has the most cheesable call
turbid needle
I need to get Rip Current and Smouldering Air.
dusky drum
tbh demeter stuff also isnt the greatest
vague hearth
It depends
Demeter provides some of the best boons for privileged status
And her cast, if built into with stygian soul can have monstrous damage output
Also her cast with glacial glare is currently the only justification for arctic blast I have found
abstract flower
I always tend to avoid Aprhodite's cast unless I'm running Hera.
serene zealot
Isn't Aphrodite cast on Beowolf decent?
turbid needle
I want to use Crush Shot more frequently with Aspect of Poseidon, but it just not working at all if any part of it hits a barrier has made me run True Shot a lot more, recently.
spiral badge
Aphro cast is the peanut butter to Talos’ jelly
And decent if unsafe with Achilles too
turbid needle
The issue is the hitbox catching on terrain.
spiral badge
The benefit* is the hitbox catching on the terrain
Aphro cast is broken in styx lol
turbid needle
Yeah, love getting chunked by rats I should have blasted into oblivion.
spiral badge
move an inch to the left and the damage ticks them but the stone never sticks
So you instead chunk them into oblivion with an auto-shotgun ft. MC bottomless magazine
turbid needle
That happens less frequently.
spiral badge
I run aphro cast a lot and run into it semi-regularly in styx
To the point where I consider it a shadow buff
That’s mostly because I play lots of talos though
burnt breach
i love aphro cast on hera, completely nullifies its only downside
spiral badge
I find the sweet spot for the damage proccing but the cast not sticking to be about 1/2 to 1/3 the total width of her blast
spiral badge
As in, if around 1/3 of your blast zone is impacted by the wall, you have a good chance of getting the damage to fire, while the cast bounces off the wall right back into your lap
turbid needle
I've noticed that Crush Shot simply fails to deal damage at all if part of the hitbox catches on terrain.
spiral badge
Giving you an endless mag as long as you stand right there
dusky drum
I've noticed that Crush Shot simply fails to deal damage at all if part of the h...
ive felt that too yea
turbid needle
That's gotten me killed enough that I don't run Crush Shot much anymore.
dusky drum
there are times where they are close enough to a wall where it hits the wall but not the target
spiral badge
I've noticed that Crush Shot simply fails to deal damage at all if part of the h...
This is a bug, I’m with you, but it is one that can be consistently used and abused with a little practice
turbid needle
No, it's not.
spiral badge
That’s lots of talos play talking for me though again, so I’ve had a lot of experience with spacing aphro cast
turbid needle
I'm aware that Crush Shot has wonky detection and sometimes will not stick, in which case it can be rapid-fired.
But that's a separate occurence from what I'm recounting right now.
spiral badge
I gotcha
turbid needle
If you can figure out how to force the instant drop, yeah, that's some genius tech.
spiral badge
I can’t “force” it with 100% regularity, but I’ve observed there are definitely some angles of attack that seem to trigger the behavior much more frequently than others
To the point where I don’t mind it much because I just kind of space in that general direction
turbid needle
If you've got the hardware to allow recording, I've love a tutorial. I really do like Crush Shot and it's just a bit of a bummer that I've been having trouble with it.
serene zealot
That looks so fun
dusky drum
you got a lucky ass rare crop like geez
serene zealot
Sea storm Chiron looks powerful, I’ll need to try it
keen mesa
It's not that powerful, I'm getting annihilated by Hades
but that's just because I suck and can't dodge
serene zealot
Mood
turbid needle
first time running aspect of lucifer and got hammer in tartarus , triple bomb or concentrated beam (trying to save for cluster bomb)
serene zealot
Concentrated beam is?
dusky drum
i heard triple is really good on luci
turbid needle
ramps up 100% faster
dusky drum
i think concentrated is higher damage ramp
yeaaa
my brain is massive when it comes to hades
ummm
serene zealot
Ah
dusky drum
depends on what youre going for
turbid needle
im trying to get lucky and get cluster bomb
serene zealot
Both seem good, depends on which move you use more I suppose.
dusky drum
are you playing hellfire focused or just damge
turbid needle
pure dps
serene zealot
Then probably CB
dusky drum
does triple make cluster impossible to get??
turbid needle
yeah
dusky drum
ah
turbid needle
unless you trade
dusky drum
yea id take concentrated
turbid needle
so it gets faster dps
serene zealot
I could have sworn I had both one run
dusky drum
yea id take concentrated beam :/
turbid needle
it replaces the other
dusky drum
higher damage, and tbh if you can get endless with it