800% of 5
#h1-builds-and-combat
coral cave
tranquil falcon
mfw literally going into styx with 600
stoic sparrow
tranquil falcon
i mean it's better than nothing
tranquil falcon
cursed slash
there are many hammers that are just
bad
with sword
it's not that they do nothing they literally like make some builds worse
tranquil falcon
what.
i did a run before
epic demeter attack was 75%
now i'm doing a run starting with demeter
and it's 74%
literally unplayable
slim lynx
L
tall laurel
i got the yoink power for malphon gloves and i love them
tulip spoke
i really like it too lol
dusky drum
ok so like, i was messing around with rama last night, not even trying to go fast, just fill out the fated list and i just got a sub 15
so i was like "hey what is i actually try" and i got like 11:00.16 or smth
like damn
keep in mind this is on hell mode without heat strats
and now i wanna see if i can break sub 10 :3
what are some good rama strats??
since ik fo2 and em2 are good
and im going for in game time so i dont need to take td
but idk the weapon specific strats
tranquil falcon
i forgot how painful crystal beam was without crystal clarity
obsidian tangle
I don't think I'm getting past Minotaur & Theseus with the unlocked spear that cripples your HP total; I just cannot dodge all that so often.
solid gyro
Good afternoon everyone, I'm new to the game and wanted to know the best build for the diamond weapon
tranquil falcon
I don't think I'm getting past Minotaur & Theseus with the unlocked spear that...
what level is it?
max aspect is bearable
where it's 50%
obsidian tangle
Even if I make it with full HP, I get torn apart. oh, okay, power it up a bit more; right. more HP
tranquil falcon
yeah
obsidian tangle
Brainfart on my part. Forgot the blood upgrading
tranquil falcon
it's one of the aspects that gets much better with upgrading
tranquil falcon
Good afternoon everyone, I'm new to the game and wanted to know the best build f...
diamond weapon?
solid gyro
diamond weapon?
Adamant Rail**
obsidian tangle
Hard to go wrong with it, really. Piercing is always a game changer.
tranquil falcon
have you unlocked aspects yet
obsidian tangle
Doom+Stackable doom boons on attack.
tranquil falcon
like how new are we talking
solid gyro
have you unlocked aspects yet
I didn't unlock them all
tranquil falcon
i meant like are you able to get aspects in the first place lol
i don't really know how to build base rail it's not really used that much as far as i can tell
eris rail is by far the best aspect
that damage increase is insane
it gets a lot better with more upgrading
goes from 15% to 75% at max
obsidian tangle
death laser
tranquil falcon
with eris what you want to do is build zeus attack
even just base rail
zeus attack is just really good on the rail
since it attacks so fast
the rest of the build is pretty variable
but zeus attack
obsidian tangle
if you luck into the duo, the Aphro/Dio boon that makes hangover stack higher is insane.
on attack*
When you unlock the final form of the rail, you have what I consider best weapon, but, I really love the damage/debuff-radiating mines launched with special.
tranquil falcon
eh
eris rail is widely considered one of if not the best aspect
mainly because speed
obsidian tangle
All about playstyle, I suppose.
But, yes. for speed and efficiency Eris is top tier.
opal lodge
speed damage efficiency is eris rail
hestia is the safest weapon
rama is a good mix of both
tranquil falcon
hestia's the safest?
i'd think it'd be one of the shields but i think i get that
opal lodge
hestia is insanely safe
shields, for all their defense, still have to be somewhat close to do damage optimally
tranquil falcon
just infinite block vengeful mood smh
opal lodge
lol
tranquil falcon
also why is glacial glare's pom scaling so good
level 4 rare glacial glare is 5.5 seconds
opal lodge
scales linearly
tranquil falcon
yeah
opal lodge
each pom is 1 second
tranquil falcon
i'm surprised it's linear
everything is covered by beams
rare auto reload
2 extra chaos casts
level 5 glacial glare
desert cypress
Lucy deflect laser needs a buff that turns it into a baseball bat
tranquil falcon
okay i thought i reached peak call uptime with zeus fists
lime jolt
lol that sounds fun
tranquil falcon
and zeus legendary
and support fire
turns out
infinite beams
just
instant greater call
glacial glare is nuts
lime jolt
bad news
opal lodge
yup
tranquil falcon
now if only i had arctic blast
lime jolt
My favorite legendary
lime jolt
Bad news + crystal beam or blade rifts is op
tranquil falcon
literally got 2 greater calls off
during PHASE 1
bad news beo trippy
i took athena call
so i can literally just build up max gage
and stand in hades phase
when laser
tranquil falcon
LMAO
lime jolt
Clouded judgment was in there
tranquil falcon
look in victory boasting
i recieved all 17k damage on hades
like as 1 single number
picture coming soon ™️
opal lodge
low tolerance lucifer 😍
lime jolt
I love it
opal lodge
its so fun
you get to do the dio beo thing where you just pick up duos
ive gotten curse of nausea, heart rend, and splitting headache on it too before
tranquil falcon
i kept doing so much continuous damage with beams
all 17k
registered as 1 number
lime jolt
I had like 4 duos in that run
slim lynx
is heart rend additive?
dusky drum
heart rend just makes your crits 4.5 instead of 3 if they are weak
so like kinda ig :/
havent really thought about it
lime jolt
heartrend is additive I believe
Crits are the only thing that is multiplicative
Crits do x 3 damage so heart rend would make crits do 4.5
Plum fox is right
lime jolt
This was only one cast
tranquil falcon
does it double the scint feast?
opal lodge
good q
lime jolt
I think more lighning
tranquil falcon
also how u sending that stuff here
lime jolt
Video link
opal lodge
i have my 27 second dad fight on recording
i dont think i ever clipped my 26 second fight
😦
lime jolt
No you click copy link if you've already sent it on discord
tranquil falcon
i tried that before
embeds didn't work
wait waht
before when i tried embedded link it didn't work
guess it does work now
lime jolt
The number of lightning bolts I got were insane in that run
I don't have my mirage shot blade rift build clipped tho
That was insane
tranquil falcon
EPIC AUTO RELOAD
lime jolt
I had 8 beyblades on the ground
lime jolt
epic reload where?
tranquil falcon
here
lime jolt
wut
tranquil falcon
because i'd normally roll hermes 8 times and never get reload once
hearty elbow
Lol, you mean you guys don't get bloodstone boon Quick Recovery Greater Haste for every Hermes offering?
lime jolt
WhAt
tranquil falcon
dude i always get quick/auto reload when i'm not doing cast runs
literally i was doing the lucifer run you saw before
went into chaos
extra bloodstone + epic cast damage
rolled once
ANOTHER extra bloodstone and common cast damage
like
skgfdlhdflkgdflg
hearty elbow
Lol yeah it's pretty frustrating
tranquil falcon
i have the best luck at the worst moments
hearty elbow
Or the feels when Athena really wants you to have Holy Shield and Proud Bearing.
lime jolt
exactly
Does proud bearing show up in speedruns
noooo
It shows up when I'm trying to do a blade rift build
tranquil falcon
tfw proud bearing shows up when you have artemis call
also i just got epic double strike
zeus legendary maybe in styx 😳
i'm also set up for dio legendary
since i got dio call
dude i love exclusive access so much
hearty elbow
Lmao my issue with getting double strike to qualify for Splitting Bolt is... you've already gotten Double Strike. It's not even necessary anymore
lime jolt
lol yeah
tranquil falcon
true
dusky drum
heyyo, im curious what some good rama speedrun builds are :3
hearty elbow
It's definitely a first world problem issue lmao
dusky drum
since ive been going for aphro attack dio special arte dash
and ik the good hammers :3
hearty elbow
I'm not a speedrunner but afaik you typically go Deadly Strike
lime jolt
I remember when I was trying to do 32 lucifer and spent the whole run trying to get lucifer and figured out it didn't work with the attack
Im sad
dusky drum
ah, im not a crazy fan of deadly strike
dusky drum
like why have the damage be up to chance when i can just do 300 normally
but ill def try it
lime jolt
Hold up lemme get my calculator
hearty elbow
The crit rate is kind of increased by Suffering interactions
Since crit is calculated on hit, and Suffering lets you share the damage to each target hit
So you get 2 chances if you hit 2 enemies to have critical damage
At the end of the day your real crit rate isn't modified but the variance is a lot lower than it would typically be
lime jolt
I did the math and artemis is better
dusky drum
I did the math and artemis is better
oh?? whats the like hard math :3
hearty elbow
Yeah I suspected. You can also get Hunter Dash, and the crit scales off of Boiling Blood for bosses too
lime jolt
Im taking common boons here from aphrodite and artemis
Aphrodite is a 50% bonus so each attack will do 180 damage. I am going to do the damage over 10 normal full charged attacks
Over 10 attacks aphrodite will do 1800 damage
Artemis with 20 % damage bonus will do 144 damage
With her critting about 2 times every 10 shots that is about 2016 damage
hearty elbow
Deadly Strike is 15% though
lime jolt
(144*3) x 2 = 864 damage
hearty elbow
By why model out of 10, you could model out of non-integers or 15 to get the actual EV lol.
lime jolt
Idk
10 still works
Artemis will just keep getting better over the longer periods of attacks
So artemis > aphrodite
Arty is best girl
lime jolt
(144*3) x 2 = 864 damage
This is the math of 2 crit shots
robust anchor
go shackle
lime jolt
thats for high heat
This is speedrun
I feel extremely proud of the math that I just did
hearty elbow
Backstabs, Boiling Blood, and potential Hunter Dash all tip it pretty heavily into Artemis' favor
lime jolt
Hunters mark also makes artemis infintely better
tranquil falcon
hunter's mark doesn't need to proc p status to be good.....
you don't take p status with artemis builds
tranquil falcon
pstatus bad smh my head
desert cypress
pstatus good
desert cypress
Ruthless Reflex moment
tranquil falcon
gilgamesh 😎
desert cypress
hearty elbow
@lime jolt For the future, common Aphro and Artemis actually have exactly the same damage only consider the boons + base damage:
125 * 1.5 = 187.5
125 * 1.2 * .85 + 125 * (1 + 2 + 0.2) * .15 = 187.5
The analysis gets a little muddled considering the additional % damage bonuses you can easily get, and also how many effective power shots you need to do to clear a room. If it's 1 or 2, the variance may make it so you just don't crit for multiple rooms in a row, so it's still relevant to see how many hits to kill does non-crit do.
tl;dr It's still Artemis by a mile, but not a big of a mile as you suggested :3
desert cypress
Woah math
desert cypress
Pink good
tranquil falcon
i jest but looking at it now i think i like artemis's duos the best out of all the duos
only splitting headache is like eh
hunting blades makes the run
lime jolt
<@!811054495026380860> For the future, common Aphro and Artemis actually have ex...
Yeah I was just doing complete base stuff
lime jolt
I didnt take much into account
tranquil falcon
lightning rod is cool
hearty elbow
Yeah but at exact baseline they're actually balanced to be identical
lime jolt
So not a huge difference
hearty elbow
You did the math over 10 hits for a 15% crit chance, so you introduced unnecessary rounding :3
lime jolt
What was the .85 in there?
hearty elbow
85% chance to not crit
lime jolt
oh ok
I still dont exactly understand all the numbers in the artemis math but it looks right
hearty elbow
Your math was right, it was just rounded. If you did the sample out of 15 (divisible by 15%) you'd get the same numbers.
lime jolt
.85 + 125 * (1 + 2 + 0.2) * .15
I dont exactly understand this part
Let me see if I get the same thing over 15 attacks
hearty elbow
125 * 1.2 * .85
+
125 * (1 + 2 + 0.2) * .15 = 187.5
The top one represents 85% of the time, you will get 1.2 damage bonus
The bottom one means 15% of the time, you will get 3.2x damage
tranquil falcon
it's an average of an extra 7.2 damage per attack
right
oh i was using the other numbers
yeah
lime jolt
ok
That makes sense
i do think that my numbers are rounded but now I did over 15 attacks how much damage they would each do and aphrodite ends up being 2700
Artemis ends up being 2802
Correct me if im wrong
lime jolt
(120*1.5) x 15 = 2700 - Aphrodite
((120 x 1.2) x (15 x 0.85)) + (3 x (120 x 1.2)) x (15 x 0.15) = 2802 - Artemis
hearty elbow
Oh, I'm wrong, sorry. To eliminate rounding you'd need to do EV across 100 iterations, which would yield 15 discrete crits
lime jolt
Ok
desert cypress
. . . .
static karma
What casts are good for Hera bow? I finally maxed its blood and want to try it
hearty elbow
Crush
tranquil falcon
ah yes, hera cast
lime jolt
I mean aphro
lime jolt
Not hera
tranquil falcon
phalanx is good too
lime jolt
I swear I do that all the time
tranquil falcon
crush shot great
lime jolt
Dio also fun
hearty elbow
Dio is kind of painfully slow without Stygian Soul though
It's very very good if you get extra casts with Styg
lime jolt
yeah
imo its more fun on beo
But thats just me
Also you dont need to max hera
its not a blood heavy weapon
hearty elbow
You don't need to but it's really nice vs. bosses
static karma
Is Stygian or Infernal better for Hera?
lime jolt
For dio stygian
Everything else infernal
Also I did the average for 1 shot
Aphrodite - 180
Artemis - 187.2
this is over 100 shots
hearty elbow
Something is wrong with your math but I'm in the middle of something, can't look.
125 * 1.5 = 187.5 for Aphro.
tranquil falcon
i'm assuming they were using the calculations they did before
which is what i used as well
tranquil falcon
"Im taking common boons here from aphrodite and artemis
Aphrodite is a 50% bonus so each attack will do 180 damage. I am going to do the damage over 10 normal full charged attacks
Over 10 attacks aphrodite will do 1800 damage
Artemis with 20 % damage bonus will do 144 damage
With her critting about 2 times every 10 shots that is about 2016 damage"
those
lime jolt
Without dash strike
tranquil falcon
yeah
hearty elbow
Dash Power Shot is 125
lime jolt
"Im taking common boons here from aphrodite and artemis
Aphrodite is a 50% bonus...
Thats the math I did before
Its incorrect
hearty elbow
I see, okay
tranquil falcon
to say the 180 damage
lime jolt
Dash Power Shot is 125
Im not doing dash strike
tranquil falcon
and the 144 damage
lime jolt
Its main attack
My average shot math was
Aphro - ((120 * 1.5)x100)/100
Artemis- (((120*1.2)x85)+((3(120 x 1.2)) x 15))/100
cloud vault
That's all fine but Artemis can increase crit chance and crit damage with boons, meanwhile Aphrodite only has Sweet Surrender to boost damage naturally.
hearty elbow
Yeah we addressed that. I was just trying to figure out his combat math. Artemis is better by a lot
For Rama*
lime jolt
yeah arty best girl
lime jolt
Yeah we addressed that. I was just trying to figure out his combat math. Artem...
I just wrote down my math
For average over a 100
cloud vault
Whenever you see crit chance in a game chances are it's the premiere dps option
lime jolt
The aphro divided by 100 wasnt necessary but I just wanted to keep the writing consistent
hearty elbow
Whenever you see crit chance in a game chances are it's the premiere dps option
Depends. Because bonus damage in this game is all additive, and because crit is a 3x multiplier (most games I've played have it base 2x) the difference is pretty dramatic compared to other games I've played
Crit OP
lime jolt
Does my math look right tho?
Before your average proved that both base average damage is the same and the math looked right
Idk how mine was that different
hearty elbow
Not really sure why the best debuff is also attached to the best bonus damage modifier.
From a balance perspective the bonus damage should probably be something like:
Poseidon > Athena > Demeter > Aphro > Artemis
lime jolt
I feel like athena is in a very balanced position
Poseidon attack does need a buff or something
its useless
hearty elbow
Or at least Poseidon > Athena = Demeter = Aphro > Artemis
robust anchor
love is the strongest
hearty elbow
No
opal lodge
?
it cant crit independently of the initial hit
but the cirt damage is transferred through SS
still vortex
🙂
keen vortex
One of my strongest builds is the Adamant Rail, with a ton of Artemis boons, and the Daedalus hammer upgrade to increase the explosive range and the damage to +300%
lime jolt
With special that works
But an even better build is artemis special with rocket + cluster
imo
fair locust
whats the ranking for damage boosts for each god?
i know athena, demeter and poseidon are vaguely near the top
but im not too sure
obviously artemis is probably highest if you stack some crit but ignoring that
worldly pier
whats the ranking for damage boosts for each god?
I think this should be usefull: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit#gid=258883519
worldly pier
And about rocket+cluster, Hazard is probably better overall if not playing Eris, since it's almost the same damage (a bit slower), with only one hammer
keen vortex
My setup almost fees broken, i was able to kill the furies in like five hits and take no damage
I have to wonder though, cuz I don’t know
Would the hammer upgrade for hazard bomb
AND the 3 rapid bombs stack?
lime jolt
Triple bomb is probably really good with hazard
keen vortex
Or would they cancel out
cunning urchin
Not *really* sure why the best debuff is also attached to the best bonus damage ...
Because Lady Aphrodite is the bestest! 💕
keen vortex
I’d imagine so, as long as i can stay out of the blast range
lime jolt
Hazard carried my hestia 40 through elysium so I have keep love for it
I didnt have any attack boons
Hazard bomb to the rescue
keen vortex
Also is it possible to Crit myself with hazard bomb?
lime jolt
I dont think so
lime jolt
Arty best girl
keen vortex
That was the closest i got.
lime jolt
ok
worldly pier
You can't get both Hazard ands triple. It would me meta otherwise
worldly pier
I can't say no to Astaos
lime jolt
Im so used to seeing cgulls perdable that my mind just read that as perdable
keen vortex
What other gods tend to be good for the rail
worldly pier
For which rail aspect ? They are all quite unique
lime jolt
Lmao wtf I red that as call
What is happening to my brain
I blame it on my computer glare
keen vortex
I use the aspect of zagreus, mostly cuz that’s all i could afford at the time
keen vortex
God, a Critical Deflective Lightning Bolt Run...
worldly pier
Zag rail is played either with:
- Zeus attack and poseidon dash like Eris (slow, but reliable)
- Spread fire hammer and Artemis attack (very RNG dependant, high damage with the right build)
- Merciful End (a bit RNG dependant, very high damage potential)
fair locust
Thanks for the link Lili
keen vortex
My setups probably make no sense from a high level player standpoint
But im new but with a solid understanding of most of the mechanics
worldly pier
I was talking in an optimal gameplay perspective indeed, but in reality anything can do the trick, specially with rail ^_^
lime jolt
lili is rail gang
keen vortex
Adamant Rail with Artemis’s critical special, Athena’s deflect dash, Dio’s Hangover regular attack, artemis’s cast and call, Daedalus hammer’s hazard bomb special and three shot burst regular attack
lime jolt
Dio hangover attack?
Questionable but okay on rail since you can get max stacks pretty easily
keen vortex
Or athena’s deflective regular attack
It’s funny to be shooting a guy, then he shoots me, but shoots himself instead
lime jolt
lol the athena dash is so good
But zeus is very good on attack
or as lili said if you can get spread fire artemis is very good
keen vortex
Thank you
frail schooner
kind finch
are you able to get hazard + lucifer, the wiki says you should but i havent gotten it at all
slim lynx
should i prioritize pomming glacial glare over crystal beam?
jovial fulcrum
I'd lean towards beam itself, especially if you have flurry cast and/or snow burst
lime jolt
Glacial glare imo
jovial fulcrum
if you dont have either Glare for sure
lime jolt
The fact that it lasts longer is good
jovial fulcrum
if you have Ravenous Will, glare upgrades get even better
ripe glade
Any tips on doing a 32 heat, any weapon or aspect.. or build... what would you recommend to get that statue?
spiral badge
Hestia shrugs off 32 heat like it's not even there
ripe glade
crit build on attack?..
spiral badge
EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 AP2 TD3
shackle it up
if you find the ricochet fire hammer it's a good day
try to find a decent cast and dash
otherwise shackle gets along great with hestia
spiral badge
if you cant stand FO2 you can take it away for FO1 and substitute CF2 and HL1 pretty easily
flood cast is great for hestia and longer ranged aspects imo
it's a great "get off me" at point blank
same story for dash. posiedon and athena are your best friends
ripe glade
I always take 1 cast though.. I perfer that over the 3..
spiral badge
if you find rocket bomb, rocket bomb shackle is great
ripe glade
ah ok..
spiral badge
I always take 1 cast though.. I perfer that over the 3..
nothing stopping you from going that way if that's what you like
i roll with 3 but that perk is truly preference
ripe glade
yeah.. I'm usually pretty good at hunting art's legendary.. can usually end up with 4 or more casts by end game
spiral badge
well bear in mind with AP2 all bets are off
ripe glade
thanks for those tips though..
spiral badge
you arent making a build so much as you are making sure boons stay off of your attack and special with your rolls
and beating the game with supercharged hestia
damage scaling comes from chaos and from charon well boosts
also, standard hestia technique applies of course. don't waste your time on the other 11 bullets. Powershot, reload, powershot, reload, rinse/repeat
also tbh if you're already going to the trouble of AP2 hestia that kind of puts RI1 on the table for me automatically
which is another heat route to consider
ripe glade
yeah.. it's how I normally use hestia
spiral badge
because you don't care so much about not seeing boon rooms
because you don't want boons
ripe glade
ah ok
spiral badge
and you just pick up a key or two along the way to get yourself a clutch roll in case AP2 bones you
just something to play with
ripe glade
ah thanks man.. yeah.. never even thought that way
spiral badge
FO2 is a mother, but at 32 you still have some options to avoid it
slim lynx
chiron and eris are the most beginner-friendly picks for 32 heat i guess
spiral badge
chiron is super safe too
eris is less safe than hestia but eris is also a friggin chainsaw
slim lynx
eris can totally ignore dc2 with lightning strike from my understanding
slim lynx
lightning strike effectively hits twice so i'd guess dc2 just means nothing in the face of it
though i haven't really tested it myself
i could do that right now bt too lazy\
slim lynx
saviours beware
dc hearts literally mean nothing if you can effectively deal 2 hits in one attack
not to mention you attack at a very rapid rate
static karma
Any tips on doing a 32 heat, any weapon or aspect.. or build... what would you r...
I did 32 on hestia, but my pact was different: HL5, LC4 (use stubborn defiance to heal), CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, TD3. If you don't want to deal with forced overtime at all, the dodge timing for forced overtime 2 is very hard to learn, I'm still in the process of it
with HL5 over FO2 you don't have to change dodge timings just dodge better
I didn't find switching to stubborn to heal that bad but it does take some getting used to, that and no healing at all basically besides Stubborn
I did aphro on Hestia attack for weak but Artemis is more DPS technically, athena in Aphodel for dash is good
I don't personally like Approval Process, but it could work since the main boons you'd want is a good attack for Hestia and Divine Dash?
Approval Process definitely hurts your chances of getting them early and just isn't fun IMO
ripe glade
I did 32 on hestia, but my pact was different: HL5, LC4 (use stubborn defiance t...
I've been playing Forced Overtime 2 for sometime on low heats.. practicing.... I'm quite good at it now..
static karma
I've been playing Forced Overtime 2 for sometime on low heats.. practicing.... I...
Ah ok, I'm doing that too. FO2 will make your pacts a LOT easier then
ripe glade
Yeah
static karma
disregard my pact, my 32 was before I learned FO2
How long did it take to get good at it?
I"m still in the process
I only cleared twice on FO2 so far
I'm doing EM3, BP2, MM, and FO2 to practice
ripe glade
well.. with melee weapons.. a little tougher.. but it's now my standard.. guess I've down 100 attempts now I guess..
static karma
oh wow nice
ripe glade
it's just the reaction speed...
static karma
were the first few attempts rough?
and will I get to the point I can do erebus gates with FO2 okay
ripe glade
I ususally ranged and kept distance.. then got confident.. then use weak alot in my builds.. you will get hit a lot..
but as I said.. I was low heat.. so just standard enemies...
but reaaction speeds.. I guess you get used to it..
note.. I'm not a controller player.. I'm a mouse and keyboard player..
think controllers could be more difficult
static karma
i'm on controller, mouse and keyboard will hurt my hands, I'm starting to get more used to it, I feel like I will get better at it over time
i'm using the stronger enemies so that when I raise the heat it will be as close sa possible
but I may tone down benefits package
tranquil falcon
4 runs left until bounties finished !
spear 19 and 20
rail 20
and shield 20
shield is probably simplest since just beo trippy
for spear i might try hunting blades achilles for one of them
but idk what i would do for the other
rail probably just another eris run
ripe flume
If I'm running hera bow with aphrodite cast I should take fiery presence over shadow presence right?
because cast can't backstab?
dusky drum
i mean if you get parting shot then it backstabs
ripe flume
true but parting shot would require working in both athena and artemis
I was planning on artemis but is getting an athena boon worth it for that?
dusky drum
what athena boons work well with aphro cast?
something like attack probably
burnt breach
I had some 2k crits but most of my shots were maybe 150
dusky drum
dash is also good but if you want artemis take that as dash instead
ripe flume
ah gotcha thanks!
woven ivy
tried out guan yu aspect last night and got to hades first run with it lmao
the spin attack makes bone hydra a joke lmao
but that health
vivid notch
flashback to no mirror run
woven ivy
so should i just focus on artemis and athena boons or smth?
woven ivy
i asked here i think and some people said i should focus on the special
and after that run, i can see why
spin attack leaves me vulnerable for too long
woven ivy
And yeah, athena dash is pretty good
yea i was thinking bout that
lime jolt
Yes special
woven ivy
maybe i should get athena legendary or smth
woven ivy
should i get charged skewer and artemis special
or are there other specials that are better
vague hearth
Aight so what's your favourite boonless aspect and hammer combination?
For me, the only one I've tried so far is the hades aspect beyblade
static karma
For Rama I assume artemis is good for attack right?
jolly niche
The only weapon I’ve done boonless is aspect of zagreus
With which I’ve preferred perfect shot and double shot
Combine it with boiling blood and backstab it’s a helluva lot of damage
Assuming you’re using Sisyphus’ keepsake
pure vigil
Hey guys I'm trying to unlock the legendary spear. Do I need to put five titan bloods into the spear or can it be any weapon as long as it isn't zags ?
misty turret
Aight so what's your favourite boonless aspect and hammer combination?
arthur w/ greater consecration and breaching slash probably
although hoarding slash is pretty neat boonless
pliant anvil
Hey guys I'm trying to unlock the legendary spear. Do I need to put five titan b...
IIRC, it's to unlock 5 separate aspects that are not zag aspects
pure vigil
Right but I'm guessing they have to be on the same weapon to unlock the legendary for it right? Like I can't invest in the shield and get achilles to talk about the spear correct?
flat garden
5 blood into non-zag spear aspects
pure vigil
Thank you
flat garden
though that's for the other ones, i forgot the exact prereqs for the spear
since that's the first one you have to get to get the others
pliant anvil
though that's for the other ones, i forgot the exact prereqs for the spear
Spear is 5 non zag aspects
flat garden
oh nvm
pliant anvil
then every other weapon requires 5 blood invested into non zag aspects iirc
flat garden
Spear is 5 non zag aspects
yeah that's right
non zag aspects on any weapons, then beat hades once
pure vigil
I thought you didn't have to beat hades just make it to him
pliant anvil
I don't think you even need to reach hades once
robust anchor
its pinned in #h1-story-discussion
flat garden
yeah you should read that instead lol
pure vigil
I'm reading that but it doesn't really clearfy my original question and electronic re confused me about it. Do the non zag aspects need to bee on the spear to start unlocking legendary or can it be any weapons as long as it's not zag aspects to get achilias to talk about the spear. That's all I need clearfield ie. I don't enjoy the spear much lol
flat garden
my bad
it should be "unlock 5 aspects (that are not zag aspects) of any weapon, fight dad once regardless of outcome"
pure vigil
Your good lol I just want to make sure I get it that's all I'm really sorry guys
pure vigil
Okay cool so I don't even have to invest in spear at all than
flat garden
spear is also my least fav weapon haha
pure vigil
I suck with the bow but it might be because I'm in switch. The spear just seems weak lol
fringe nova
woven ivy
fated persuasion
vague hearth
And you can't avoid all boons
You will always be forced to get a boon in the miniboss rooms
Which means that you can get the mandatory boon purge for some free heat
I think I might try and do EM4 boonless
Because I'm an idiot who enjoys pain
But also because EM4 is the single most fun fight for me in the game
I might run bow for it
still vortex
I have a super hard hammer question for eris
With Zeus attack, so I go with flurry fire or ricochet fire?
flat garden
that's a tough one
i'd go for flurry fire because i like extra ammo
and it's better on bosses i think, compared to ricochet
jovial fulcrum
i assume it ricochet's shoot out arcs too, yeah?
jovial fulcrum
ricochet shotgun sounds funny, but yeah i think you just want the ammo buff from flurry
still vortex
No I have spread fire to pick from
jovial fulcrum
o
still vortex
My first hammer was triple bomb 😈
flat garden
ahh ic
jovial fulcrum
i probably would have taken spread there, tbh
flat garden
i thought you already had spread fire
yeah if i had the choice i'd've went for spread as well
still vortex
I have Zeus attack aphro special Poseidon cast with Artemis dash and Demeter special and got aphro/Zeus duo and Poseidon duo so far
Wait you like spread fire better than flurry?
jovial fulcrum
does a butt ton of damage.
flat garden
damage is damage
jovial fulcrum
omg Spread w/ arty dash????
still vortex
k you guys like it close and personal?
jovial fulcrum
now that's a lotta damage
flat garden
well yeah i main shield
still vortex
Uh, I meant Athena dash
jovial fulcrum
distance is w/e, spread just hits super hard
still vortex
Whoops
jovial fulcrum
oh lol
still vortex
So I should spread instead of flurry?
flat garden
vroom
jovial fulcrum
take what you want
flat garden
i'd go for either tbh, it really depends on your playstyle
still vortex
Uh, I dunno my play style at this point
jovial fulcrum
I was just saying what I would've taken, but if you're not confident with using that hammer then dont use it
still vortex
I think I'm more flurry but you're saying spread is still good with Zeus attack?
This isn't hestia
jovial fulcrum
Zeus attack might be a situation where flurry is better, but generally spread is just super good
Yeah, you said its eris
with is essentially +75% on all shots
still vortex
If I had a damage multiplier boon
Oh and I have double chaos strike now 🙂
It's nasty
jovial fulcrum
yeesh
still vortex
Zeus aspect fan or Zeus special fan?
still vortex
If you don't mind me asking, what's the rest of your build?
After Zeus shield plus Zeus special?
flat garden
i mean i just build around it with whatever
as long as it buffs my shield i'll take it
still vortex
But I mean, what would you want?
flat garden
maybe poseidon on attack and dash to try to get seastorm
and lightning rod
honestly it's pretty versatile because i pretty much only rely on constant damage output from the special
here's one build i did though
i really wanted sea storm but i had a hard time getting it so i just switched to dio on attack
plus it got me the PS curses i needed
still vortex
Lvl 8 Zeus special wew
flat garden
all additional damage is good in my books
still vortex
Who in your opinion is best dio weapon?
robust anchor
maybe achi spear or hera bow with cast or chiron with special
half crater
beo with cast also good
i’d say those are the main ones that like dio for their primary damage source, on others it’s usually secondary
still vortex
Who best dio drunken not cast weapon
robust anchor
dio attack feels real bad on like everything
still vortex
Best dio attack or special build
robust anchor
slow single target damage sounds not great
flat garden
ehhh
half crater
Best dio attack or special build
chiron for sure
flat garden
maybe on fists but even then it's still bad
robust anchor
dio probably has lowest dps with dio attack
still vortex
What's the best Chiron special I your opinion
flat garden
yeah it does
flat garden
What's the best Chiron special I your opinion
zeus :^)
robust anchor
art
half crater
aphro attack, dio special on chiron works great, going for low tolerance
robust anchor
still vortex
No wai it's Zeus
half crater
artemis and dionysus on chiron special are both meta
robust anchor
it doesn’t work like you think
flat garden
i did my first 32 heat on bow with zeus so it's good :^)
robust anchor
zoos has an internal cooldown
robust anchor
still vortex
How many zeus strikes does Chiron special give?
half crater
about 2
robust anchor
maybe 3
flat garden
3 with relentless
half crater
it’s possible to get 3 but it’s usually 2
robust anchor
feelszeusman
half crater
maybe you can get 4 with relentless and the exact right angle?
still vortex
Relentless is the hammer?
robust anchor
yes
still vortex
Hmm
flat garden
maybe you can get 4 with relentless and the exact right angle?
right timing*
it's still very bad
it's only fun if you have splitting bolt lol
still vortex
Zeus Eris , dio chiron, ares /Athena shield, hunting blades Achilles, and exit wounds Poseidon are my favorites
Not sure I have a fist favorite
flat garden
i'm mostly the same apart from pos/zeus shield, meme beam achilles
my fist fav is probably demeter with ME
still vortex
Dem achilles?
flat garden
her on cast
still vortex
Oh, with art?
flat garden
yeah
real crest
Which me
still vortex
I can't stand Demeter cast without art duo
still vortex
What's Demeter with me?
flat garden
merciful end
real crest
Ah
still vortex
You mean Demeter fists?
flat garden
yeah
still vortex
You don't like talos?
still vortex
I use the Demeter special to thin air all the time. I hate that
flat garden
i'll get closer to them on my own terms thanks
still vortex
Yo-yo with Poseidon special is real on talos fists
Don't get the pos/Zeus shield combo
Explain @flat garden
flat garden
sea storm
still vortex
Why does that work?
flat garden
poseidon on attack is only a means to an end
i get tidal dash for the actual sea storm
and if i could, i'll switch out the attack for something else
still vortex
Oh you like dashing to strike special?
flat garden
bit more complicated than that but sure
still vortex
How is it more complex?
muted canopy
Aspect of Rama with triple shot is something
flat garden
How is it more complex?
eh i wouldnt call it complex
i just cant describe my playstyle in a sentence
honest wing
I can
hit button big number on screen kill dad
or hit button fast a lot of small numbers kill dad
flat garden
hug dad
daring mango
just a quick question to be sure family favorite and privilege status are global damage right?
like it affects hangovers, lightnings, etc.
flat garden
yes
gusty rapids
yes
rich geyser
Which duos are significant enough to build a run around? So far I have:
- Zeus/Poseidon
- Artemis/Aphrodite
- Dionysus/Zeus
- Dionysus/Demeter
- Athena/Ares
Any others?
flat garden
arty dem
woven ivy
artemis ares imo
woven ivy
you can pair it with artemis poseidon too iirc
i forgot which duo but the one that sends out a second cast
rich geyser
What even is Artemis Poseidon
Ohhh
Mirage shot
Yeah that one’s nice. Not nice enough to build around, but nice to have.
woven ivy
hmmmm
if i were to do it probably chiron or ||guan yu||
i usually dont do builds around duo boons tbh
i just get which ones would compliment the weapon i am using best imo
flat garden
achilles is nice
rich geyser
What’s an ambiguity bonus?
flat garden
its a nerf to your stats
coral cave
Doesn't do anything
flat garden
it means bouldy is disappointed in you
coral cave
It's ✨ ambiguous ✨
flat garden
because you didnt believe in the heart of the cards bouldy enough
honest wing
What sort of aspect would you build hunting blades around?
achilles is considered best, poseidon is pretty good too
rich geyser
Just tried out Demeter/Poseidon for the first time
It shredded hades
admittedly it had the Poseidon/Zeus one too, so it’s hard to tell whether that boosted it
manic willow
What should I use for one blood Rama
rich geyser
One blood?
coral cave
anything you would use for normal rama tbh
heart rend, zeus special etc
low tolerance would work too
ME could also work
deep parcel
beowulf bonus damage works for casts?
spiral badge
What should I use for one blood Rama
Zeus special is honestly probably the best build for one blood Rama lol
turbid needle
does gilgamesh normal attack count as a dash attack for breaching cross?
turbid needle
ok thanks
spiral badge
Actually I take back what I said. More I think about it a good Bad Rama build is basically a good Zag Shield build C+P’d to a ranged platform. Aphro attack, Ares special, Priv Stat, EZ life
You could also roll Dio special and pick up a curse from ares to roll deeeep in Drunken damage. Particularly suited to Rama’s special
honest wing
aphro attack
dio special
curse of vengeance
all the duos
other than curse of longing, it's fine if you get it but other wuse it's meh
spiral badge
How thick are your biceps
fair locust
was there special dialogue
limber cloak
nah
flat garden
how did you celebrate this gigantic W
hearty elbow
Back in House of Hades: Thanatos Heart Emoji
limber cloak
how did you celebrate this gigantic W
by getting a time pb lol
flat garden
nice.
limber cloak
clear screen in #h1-victory-boasting
flat garden
proud bearing and billow wow
did you get proud bearing in elysium or was it really late lol
flat garden
def
abstract flower
I lost a zag bow run
abstract flower
Deadly Strike, Thunder Flourish, Flood Shot, Passion Dash, Dionysus's Aid.
How's this for core boons for Zag bow? Heart Rend, Smoldering Air, Sea Storm, Mirage Shot, Low Tolerance
Or should I replace Flood Shot with Trippy Shot?
abstract flower
This is for duo boons
Or for Zag bow, should I be using God's Pride instead of God's Legacy?
hearty elbow
Yeah, probably, especially if you're running Heartbreak Strike. Epic Heartbreak Strike is siiicck
Honestly I would put Zag bow's core boons as
Heartbreak Strike
Divine/Hunter Dash
/done
slim lynx
arty attack + twin/triple shot is way better smh
but there's no saying they can't co-exist, just get heartbreak flourish + empty inside + heart rend and you're good to go
hunter dash is probably the best dash for bow in general
hearty elbow
I don't really see the point in pressing special ever on Zag bow, unless you're going shotgun Charged Volley
spiral badge
Special zag bow is for if ares turns up and then you maybe press it every great once in a while
But the best boons for zag bow are hammers
Things like twin, triple, explosive, flurry, the chaining one are major force multipliers, particularly for zag bow
Point blank, perfect shot, list goes on
still vortex
@void brook we can talk about heat and extreme measures here
EM4: Hades hits harder, has 3 phases, a few different attacks, summons minibosses instead of normal mobs and has a phase where cerebus bombs you. Phase 3 has a killer sound track
it's, imo, considerably harder
slim lynx
a hell of a lot harder
void brook
EM4: Hades hits harder, has 3 phases, a few different attacks, summons minibosse...
yeah thats a bit of a spoiler
but ok thats insane
willow haven
em3 heroes > em4 hades
abstract flower
EM3 FO1 is fine for the most part
wicked flame
Out of curiosity, why does Flurry Jab make Zag Spear good? Last I checked the weapon only got special damage/speed bonus from its natural bonus
hearty elbow
Because the hammer by itself is that good
Just the raw DPS and stunlock potential of Flurry Jab by itself lol
wicked flame
... in that case, why not use any other aspect?
hearty elbow
You do. Achilles is way better
But Flurry Jab is so good and Zag spear is so bad that it's also ideal on Zag spear
wicked flame
Balanced
🤔 More seriously, I'm looking into speedrunning, speed running categories, and trying to figure out which aspects to learn
hearty elbow
There's a discord for that specifically. A lot of people on this server should be able to help too though, but not me :3
wicked flame
👍🏻 Much thanks!
opal lodge
t0ph4t, the short of it is that zag spear sucks
the spear as a weapon is quite bad comparatively
flurry jab fixes many of its problems with one hammer
pulsar jewel
Hey quick question about god pools. When are gods added to the pool? Can you influence the god pools with fated authority?
opal lodge
the spear special is a diversion and should be ignored outside of achilles/explosive launcher builds
opal lodge
Hey quick question about god pools. When are gods added to the pool? Can you inf...
gods are added until you hit 4
after 4 you have to force additional gods with keepsakes
pulsar jewel
But are they added when i pick a god or when i see a god as a reward in the room?
opal lodge
there are rare corner cases where you can get 5 gods naturally without forcing
they are added when you pick up a boon from them
so if you fail an erebus gate, for example, that god will not be added
pulsar jewel
Okay so fated authority can influence the god pools?
opal lodge
i suppose
not any differently than without though
since you can only roll gods within your 4 god pool once you have your 4 god pool
pulsar jewel
Okay so it can't be used to influence it then?
And gods aren't added to the pool when you pick them, the game just starts with 4?
pulsar jewel
Can I as the player used fated authority to affect what gods get into my pool
serene zealot
Before the four are set, yes
opal lodge
each time you see a god its a 1/8 chance to be any god
pulsar jewel
And the gods get put into the pool when i pick a boon from them?
opal lodge
until you reach 4
pulsar jewel
Alright awesome
So just to make this clear, even if i see a god at the reward screen, they're not necessarily yet in my god pool
pulsar jewel
Nice, thanks!
sour temple
Does damage for striking foes from behind work with lighting strike?
pulsar jewel
Does damage for striking foes from behind work with lighting strike?
Not hard confirm but I don't remember seeing the backstab text happening on the lightning effects.
opal lodge
no
sour temple
thanks
opal lodge
lightning, doom, and hangover cannot backstab