#h1-builds-and-combat

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turbid needle
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No percentage just the number 40

brazen nest
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i'd guess it changes the base damage

turbid needle
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Thats what I was thinking too seems like a dumb question but i had to ask

proven osprey
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base damage indeed

spiral badge
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Her name is Hestia and she works just fine 🙂

thorny cliff
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Too much APM.

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I like the concept but it's a lot of buttons, lol

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I'm just playing standard Exagryph.

devout bloom
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The build that got me a win against them was the gun's hestia mode

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I died in like 10 seconds to daddy dearest

drifting robin
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Spread fire on zag rail

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And arty on attack

thorny cliff
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What if you don't get Spread Fire?

drifting robin
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Then you’re screwed

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Also lucifer

thorny cliff
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Yeah, this weapon is trash.

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I don't like the other aspects.

drifting robin
thorny cliff
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Its damage seems to really fall off lategame unless you have Spread Fire or Splitting Bolt.

drifting robin
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Have you used eris?

thorny cliff
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I just said I don't like the other aspects.

drifting robin
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Well try it out a bit

thorny cliff
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Eris is busywork, Hestia is too much R3, and Lucifer requires more setup than I like.

drifting robin
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Busywork?

coral cave
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another doubter smh

thorny cliff
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I don't like the aspects that require me to upkeep a stat boost.

coral cave
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imagine not liking the rail lol couldnt be me

drifting robin
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Bruh the stat boost is like the easiest in the game to get

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And its universal

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So it applies to your dash, lightning, everything

coral cave
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saying eris rail is too much work lol

thorny cliff
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It's not too much work, just work I'd rather not do, and I'd like to think the Zagreus aspect could at least even be viable to complete runs at higher heat.

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But it seems impossible without Spread Fire or Splitting Bolt, which is a shame.

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I just run out of time.

turbid needle
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i just got greater recall with exit wounds

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lets see if this actually wrecks

drifting robin
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Ooh

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Sounds cool

mellow jetty
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I guess they have it that way bc rail is the only weapon that has an extra button

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but you'll reload a lot more than you'll summon so swapping those buttons works really well

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makes hestia WAY smoother

drifting robin
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Oh yeah change your reload button

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Idk how you use hestia if you don’t

thorny cliff
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Yeah, the Hades fight is quite the workout.

autumn viper
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gods im so frustrated with my most recent run

drifting robin
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Wut

autumn viper
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i had the perfect set up for a sea storm run - pos atk and dash, with jolted and rupture and the pos legendary - and i was on track to get my first ever sub-15

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then i got 4-sacked in styx :/

drifting robin
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Oof

autumn viper
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i havent been able to touch the game since lmao

mellow jetty
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On christmas day i flat out lost a run to time damage because i got 5-sacked on tight deadline 3 lol. that one has stuck with me

spiral badge
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For folks wondering why hestia rail is beloved

devout bloom
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Any tips on beating Hades himself?

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I thought I beat him and he refilled his health to the max

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Then I dashed with the ring of fire he does when he refills his health

flat garden
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first tip is to not do that

robust anchor
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just keep practicing. i also watched some videos of other players runs. can also check out a boss guide

flat garden
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second is probably build up your dps

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and keep practicing, yeah

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you'll get him eventually, it takes different amount of time for different people

robust anchor
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its a hassle to practice that fight because he’s literally at the end

dusky drum
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but yea just make sure you have a beefy build, roughly 150-200hp i think is good, and just know how to dodge

devout bloom
flat garden
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i recommend around 200+ hp for new players

devout bloom
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I have 200 hp

devout bloom
spiral badge
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Yeah 200-250 is a good benchmark

flat garden
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but going for high dps is almost as important as being beefed up on health

devout bloom
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I can consistently get to the minotaur

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and the guy

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Thesus?

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And I recently got my 3rd death defiance

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So should be easier

spiral badge
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Once you’re near the 200 mark you should be focusing pretty exclusively on more damage

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You’re closer than you think jia

devout bloom
spiral badge
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Does Styx give you much trouble? Or just the final boss?

devout bloom
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Enemies with hangover higher chance of crit

devout bloom
north plaza
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Can I get some tips for how to use Twin Fists? I'm struggling a bit with using them-

devout bloom
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I haven't gone far with weapons really

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The only weapons that took me to styx was hestia rail and chiron bow

spiral badge
robust anchor
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use dash attack more often

devout bloom
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yeah

spiral badge
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Try not to ever let a combo finish with fists

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Always interrupt an attack combo with a dash attack and restart it

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So the hits never end

robust anchor
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dio attack is not good

devout bloom
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Hangover is nice

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I like the wine guy and the love girl

robust anchor
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it does less damage than other boons

devout bloom
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Weak + hangover

spiral badge
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Dio can be hit and miss with fists

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Zeus is really the A+ choice for attack

devout bloom
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then just upgrade your basic attack with the hammer

spiral badge
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But Dio does a good job keeping PS up

robust anchor
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ares and zeus are the best dps

solid cairn
spiral badge
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And Dio/aphro are a particularly good combo for fists in a lot of ways

devout bloom
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It's not surprising that the god of war is good for dps

flat garden
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huge catch residentzag

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godtier

spiral badge
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Obv

robust anchor
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if you want to keep ps, just use ares or aph

still vortex
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Hunting blades not s ranked? I sleep

spiral badge
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My mans put scint feast and sea storm in b tier what is happening out here

mellow jetty
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what's he ranking them for, high heat runs? stubborn roots in A is weird to me

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but i guess it gets really really good with LC4

dusky drum
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i like that duo

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and is it possible actually to get that with hunting blades??

solid cairn
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no

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basically freezing vortex makes the cast slower and smaller

solid cairn
cunning urchin
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Stubborn Roots in A tier can't make more sense in any context. thanthink

still vortex
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^

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Why is lightning phalanx good?

spiral badge
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Because it combines athena cast with zeus cast’s bounce

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Great damage boost, but requires taking athena cast too

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Her cast isnt bad, just odd with the way it travels

stable sigil
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Mmmm just finished spicy run with beowulf, level 8 trippy flare, scintillating feast, bad news, and chaos for an extra bloodstone and cast damage

dusky drum
stable sigil
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Over 2000 damage on a cast/dash

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Felt so satisfying to take 4000 health off of theseus and asterius's health bars in one go (with meg's help)

still vortex
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@spiral badge you just described what it is, not why it's good

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Is it really good enough to be "A" ranked above say hunting blades?

spiral badge
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I don’t know that it’s great. Good CC damage, but I can’t imagine why you’d voluntarily hunt Athena cast down

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I certainly wouldn’t put it shoulder to shoulder with hunting blades lol, let alone better

limber cloak
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lightning phalanx + parting shot will get you insane cast damage

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especially since athena's cast backstabs from the front, for some weird reason

still vortex
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@limber cloak really? Hmm

slim lynx
slim lynx
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what are good builds for zag spear chain skewer?

brazen nest
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is there any boon more dps friendly than artemis atack/specials?

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my best times were all zag bow with deadly strike

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or talos with blade rift with multiple status curses for PS

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i'm honestly super into talos with blade dash

mellow jetty
mellow jetty
cunning urchin
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Not in high heat, either.

mellow jetty
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Ah i misread what you actually said, i thought you were saying its good lol

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If you're playing super high heat with lc4/stubborn defiance doesnt it get good?

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As a way to top yourself back up after encounters

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(Tight deadline permitting)

cunning urchin
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It doesn't work outside of battle.

limber cloak
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you could keep like a single numbskull or small enemy alive to restore some health

cunning urchin
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Yeah, but that just takes way too much time.

coral cave
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stubborn defiance just seems kinda not very good at all to me tbh

flat garden
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if youre taking LC4 it's pretty much one of the only ways to heal

jovial fulcrum
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SD seems very bad until you get to high heat

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in Very High heat it seems like its necessary

flat garden
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ive been so used to SD i have a hard time keeping DD's now

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it's always "oops, below 30%, better die- oh right i dont have SD on."

mellow jetty
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Yeah checked the vod and the rationale is pretty much what i expected

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Very very good boon for lc4 play

cunning urchin
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Yeah, 32+ is LC4 SD meta.

slim lynx
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something that really annoys me about sd on high heat is that sometimes i forget to turn on sd instead of dd and every time i realize that it's already too late

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somehow each time it happens i happen to have a good run going already

cunning urchin
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lol just don't turn off SD.

slim lynx
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ew

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no

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yucky

brazen nest
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Eris with rocket bomb or triple bomb?

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I'm leaning towards rocket

cunning urchin
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Rocket Bomb.

coral cave
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rocket is easily the best hammer for eris

slim lynx
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rocket bomb means you don't have to wait for the buff to be applied

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just fire at a wall or something

cunning urchin
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Or in your enemy's face point-blank.

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Or back, ideally.

wraith grotto
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Asked on a different server but looking for clarification: does "Black Metal" apply to all Blade Rifts including the Ares call?

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Not just the special-created one?

cunning urchin
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His Special applies Doom.

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Black Metal buffs all Blade Rifts, yes.

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So do Engulfing Vortex and Vicious Cycle.

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It's the Duo Boons—Hunting Blades and Freezing Vortex—that only affect your Cast.

wraith grotto
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Dionysius seems to hit through iframes for bosses

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Like, when Hades is impervious, he kept taking damage from Dionysius

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I only got to test that with Hades tbf.

limber cloak
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they dont take dmg, it just looks visually as they are

wraith grotto
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ah

slim lynx
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yeah it seems that any dot basically bypasses invulnerability

wraith grotto
limber cloak
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damage over time

slim lynx
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damage over time

wraith grotto
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ahhh

slim lynx
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i think i heard someone say they actually killed asterius in the miniboss encounter using hangover

wraith grotto
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!!!

limber cloak
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you cant lol

slim lynx
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though he still showed up later because like you're not even supposed to kill him outside of the actual boss fight

wraith grotto
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Doesn't he usually stop at something like 25-40% of his health? He would have to be doing an insane amount of damage lol

limber cloak
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yeah he stops at 30% iirc

slim lynx
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so if you somehow kill him with hangover or something don't expect him to be a no-show for the grand fight

limber cloak
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the game removes his health bar from your view after the boss fight, how would you know that you "killed" him?

wraith grotto
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yeah that

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hmmm.

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ooh, I think I figured out the shield movement glitch

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nevermind, started an attempt and it went away again

tawdry oyster
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I feel like the Theseus fight is a LOT harder when he's supported by Demeter, compared to any other god

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On top of the normal hindrances there's blizzards appearing fairly consistently

slim lynx
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demeter is absolutely horrible to deal with

wraith grotto
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The easiest god fight is aphrodite.

tawdry oyster
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sometimes you are forced to dodge the blizzard, Theseus and the AoE at the same time which idk how to deal with really

brazen nest
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Anyone knows how to clear the lyre quest?

patent pewter
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keep playing it I guess

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I'm still on it too, but can play a short song already

mellow jetty
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yeah it takes a while

slim lynx
patent pewter
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yea me waiting for that diceroll

mellow jetty
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zag has three stages of competence

patent pewter
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it's been 3 runs and Orphy kept quiet

brazen nest
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Also dusa quest I just have to buy all lounge upgrades?

limber cloak
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iirc its the 2 cleaning upgrades, then like 7 other upgrades

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then talk to dusa about em

lost cipher
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Can someone share a good Adamant Rail build? It's a pretty fun weapon to use but I keep seeing people deal insane amounts of damage with it and I really wanna try them, but I'm not sure how

wraith grotto
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There doesn't seem to be much love for Ares.

slim lynx
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maxed zag aspect + spread fire

lost cipher
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Ooh

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I think I've almost maxed it out already, idk I'll check again

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What about boons?

flat garden
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zeus on attack is easy game for clearing out rooms

lost cipher
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Ooh okay

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Thanks shadesmile

slim lynx
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what's the best weapon for an aphro-only build?

robust anchor
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maybe hestia or arthur

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or rama or even zag shield. you are definitely not short on options since aph does good damage

limber cloak
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arthur if you want to get a tank build with weak

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rama could also probably work

fierce hare
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i kinda like the zeus aspect on the shield is it good?

robust anchor
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maybe. its just so unique that i dont know how to judge it

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baj, a regular high heat player, loves it a lot and has a few high heat vids of it winning

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by virtue of just being a shield, it is definitely at least an average weapon if not better

slim lynx
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i could go with fists

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the weak goes well with the aggro playstyle of fists and how you're probably gonna be taking hits often

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and unhealthy fixation totally shines with it

half crater
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rama might also be decent

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all that weapon really needs is a good attack boon and aphro provides that, and the special can make use of unhealthy fixation

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fists might be better tho idk

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arthur could also be decent

brazen nest
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So, can zagreus romance only one person at a time?

mellow jetty
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you can max all your relationships out, dw

half crater
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^

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and progress them simultaneously yes

mellow jetty
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there's even a little bit of dialogue in the game that talks about it lol, it's really well handled

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but back on topic - arthur would be my go-to for an aphro only build

half crater
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only problem with it is that you can’t make effective use of unhealthy fixation

mellow jetty
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Lots of synergy there because it gets a lot out of her high% attack damage boon and occasionally tanks hits while swinging

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yeah that's true though

jovial fulcrum
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I want that chibi dusa :pepehands:

slim lynx
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you only get bond forged after the bedchambers scene with dusa

jovial fulcrum
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😳

slim lynx
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by that i mean the bedchamber scene is actually what triggers bond forged

jovial fulcrum
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that's so weird

coral cave
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PepeLaugh

jovial fulcrum
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for Meg and Than its after the bond forged thing

coral cave
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El no sabe hehe_pepe

brazen nest
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Luci aspect is interesting

slim lynx
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are there certain hammers that you can't get with chain skewer?

hearty mulch
mellow jetty
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it's funny that you can't get it on achilles

slim lynx
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i wanna know what works for chain skewer because it's the last thing i need for the fated list of minor prophecies and i wanna make it special

mellow jetty
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i love the idea of throwing it out and having no idea where you're going to end up when you rush to it

slim lynx
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how the hell would you be able to get chain skewer to work on achilles

coral cave
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I got it through mods and it was wild

slim lynx
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i could probably use some sort of mod to make that happen

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codex menu?

willow haven
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yep

coral cave
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I threw it in a room full of enemies and just ended up at like the opposite end

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10/10 would recommend

willow haven
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lol

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imma give that a try

slim lynx
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i love the concept of guan yu chain skewer

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it's literally just rama chain shot at that point if you add charged skewer

proven osprey
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would be a waste of dps imo

willow haven
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what how

willow haven
proven osprey
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Because I suppose you'd lose the piercing part

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Less special overall too

willow haven
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you wouldn't really be playing for speed for that tho

serene zealot
fierce hare
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hera aspect with the festive fog cast is so fun

jovial fulcrum
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with fog you have to grab cooldown stones though, which cuts down your front loaded damage a lot

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I usually prefer instant drop casts on hera, so that I can get away with capacity from the mirror

serene zealot
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Yeah, Dio cast on Hera is fun

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Needs duo boons to really get going, but still enjoyable

ashen heart
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aphro cast as well

cunning urchin
ashen heart
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get demeter attack for easy privileged status

jovial fulcrum
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getting Priv to work in builds is a lot of fun

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might be my favorite mirror talent.

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Good pay off for an interesting condition

fierce hare
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so what usually would be a good build on hera bow im kinda new and im not yet 100% sure what to go for usually

cunning urchin
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Guan Yu Chain Skewer doesn't really make sense with the AOE it already has. thanthink

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@fierce hare Crush Shot or Flood Shot are the meta for speedruns and high heat.

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Crush Shot has better burst, Flood Shot has better AOE.

serene zealot
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Artemis and Zeus casts are good too, but they tend to bounce between enemies at times.

cunning urchin
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You'll want Mirage Shot either way.

serene zealot
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Honestly, as long as you avoid Demeter cast, you should be fine

cunning urchin
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I'd say True Shot is among the worst possible picks for Hera.

serene zealot
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I had a good run with it

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It's better on Stygian Soul though

jovial fulcrum
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Flood shot is my preference for Hera bow.
Easier to get Mirage Shot, plus you can high roll and pick up sea storm some times

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sea storm w/ jolted is so good.

cunning urchin
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True Shot Hera is not bad, there are just way better options.

serene zealot
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True

mellow jetty
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phalanx is good on hera too right

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like third best

serene zealot
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You'll still want to go for Artemis if you can, her legendary is great on Hera

cunning urchin
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Yeah, I'd put Phalanx Shot right after Crush Shot and Flood Shot.

serene zealot
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How's slicing shot work on Hera? It's the one cast I haven't tried yet on it

cunning urchin
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Marginally better than Crystal Beam.

serene zealot
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I assume it still moves like normal once laid down?

cunning urchin
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Correct.

serene zealot
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Darn, buffing that up could have been fun

cunning urchin
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It can be fun, it's just not a speedrun build really.

serene zealot
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ah

dense remnant
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ur supposed to short-cast Mirage Shot, right?

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cause I tried it using it like a regular cast (on Hera) and it was disastrous

fierce hare
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yo flood shot hera is so good actually i beat hades on my first try of this build

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ty for who recommended that early

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earlier*

ashen heart
stable sigil
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No one's even mentioned trippy shot hera

slim lynx
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every other cast build weapon > hera

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it's just so painfully hard to use

serene zealot
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Other way around for me.

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But I love the bow, so I'm probably biased.

slim lynx
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i really like all the other aspects though

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probably that you don't have to load casts into zag to deal good damage

serene zealot
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I mean, you have to load casts for beowulf too, it's not just Hera

slim lynx
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beowulf feels better to use

fierce hare
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for aspect of hestia what would be a good build to use?

serene zealot
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I disagree but understandable

limber cloak
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btw, for hera, the latest patch has enabled you to load your casts after you charge your shot (kinda like with beo)

limber cloak
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also turn on fiery presence in the mirror, and try to get battle rage from ares (your attack deals +200% dmg after killing an enemy)

lime jolt
fierce hare
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i wanan try a poseidon aspect with cast of artemis and the dislodge damage from artemis as well, is that okay?

limber cloak
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pengy wtf @lime jolt

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why the alt account

limber cloak
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try to aim for mirage shot (poseidon artemis duo) and artemis legendary

lime jolt
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I got kicked out

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And then it said to reset my password but never got the email

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So I was essentially locked out

limber cloak
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oh rip

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shouldve contacted discord support

lime jolt
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Yeah

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Well too late now

ashen heart
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I really wanna learn to theorycraft builds

devout trellis
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what are some good talos build?

serene zealot
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Not sure if it's the best, but Poseidon special on Talos is fun

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You drag an enemy in and then send them flying back

robust anchor
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merciful end

spiral badge
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Ooo I have a great answer for this that I ran into last night

devout trellis
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yeah, it's pretty much merciful end on every fist build.....

spiral badge
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Zeus attack, aphro special and cast, ares dash

devout trellis
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i run merciful end on gilgamesh too

spiral badge
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Got a couple dash upgrades and shredded hades

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30 second phase 2

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Fit in a Switch clip

hearty elbow
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How doth one clip a Switch

lime jolt
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Hold down the record button and it records the past 30 seconds

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The capture button i mean

hearty elbow
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Ah, that's what he meant. Nvm. I need some fancy tomfooleries to record whole runs though right?

lime jolt
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yeah

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I thought you played on pc?

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Oh wait thats schad

hearty elbow
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I do play on PC, but cross saves let me grind on the couch on the same profile now lol

lime jolt
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oh

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Yeah the reason I play on switch is I can do it pretty much anywhere

hearty elbow
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It'd be nice to record 40+ Rail or Bow runs to relax from 25 heat Stygius practice runs :3

spiral badge
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Yeah switch only saves a 30s clip by holding down the photo button

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Fortunately offloading media from switch is mega easy, which is nice

half crater
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ledger just casually relaxing at 40+, no biggie

hearty elbow
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I tried to do Hades and Stygius at 32 heat and got smacked down pretty hard lol.

spiral badge
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You’re not alone

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I’ve been grinding out 32s

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I did rail after sword. The difficulty difference made me want to throw something almost as much as clearing 32 with sword did

lime jolt
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Yeah eris is pretty much free at 32

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Or hestia

half crater
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swords are hard, but if you can do 40+ casually on anything you’ll get there

spiral badge
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I did hestia and hestia didn’t even notice 32 was there lol. Sad hours

hearty elbow
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TIdal Dash helps me a lot. Minimizes the amount of Swording strictly necessary for a run completion

lime jolt
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Same with eris; it didnt feel like 32

hearty elbow
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Building up the skill set now but silently dreading the Stygius component of my 2224x40

cunning urchin
coral cave
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30 seconds speedrun incoming POGGERS

brazen nest
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Guys, for extreme measures theseus poisedon prophecy, do I need to find him in styx, or just find him anytime after beating?

hearty elbow
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Any time

brazen nest
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Thanks

devout trellis
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huh, talos with mirage shot and poseidon speical is surprisingly good

brazen nest
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Finally I'm done with boons prophecies and can just focus on what works best for me

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I.e artemis and aphro

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With a hint of ares and poseidon

devout trellis
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try ares with athena

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poseidon with zeus

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or if you like cast build like me

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try ares with artemis, or poseidon with artemis

serene zealot
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Or just let rng decide who you get and build from there

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I've had some fun builds that way

brazen nest
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Probably this ^

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Depends on the weapons though

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Should I use God's pride or legacy?

dusky drum
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i find a higher chance for my run changing boons to be really good :3

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but you do you, epic boons are also just really stronk

brazen nest
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Legacy is duo/legendary

dusky drum
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ah i use legacy then

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duo/legendary is fun

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yea i mean both are good i just like legacy more

brazen nest
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Hmmm should I go arthur or nemesis

dusky drum
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ummm what god were you thinking

brazen nest
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I dunno

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Any

lime jolt
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It completely depends on what build you were going to do

dusky drum
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i prefer nemesis tbh

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arthur is too slow and i dont get the point of the holy ground thing

lime jolt
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I was talking about gods pride/legacy

dusky drum
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(me over here who wanted aspect of susano'o)

brazen nest
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Nemesis kinda needs artemis

dusky drum
lime jolt
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Arthur can get some big crits

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Like 2k crits

dusky drum
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but like, slow

lime jolt
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Nemesis is really hammer dependent

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You need double edge for nemesis to really work

brazen nest
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Oh

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I'm not focusing on any build now

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Just go for runs and have fun

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Probably going fast

lime jolt
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Nemesis can get really fast with good hammers

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Its the go to sword speedrun

brazen nest
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Arthur is safe bet

lime jolt
#

yes

slim lynx
#

double edge residentzag

lime jolt
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Just put artemis on attack and boom

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Chunky damage

honest wing
#

since nemesis has in built crit chance, isn't it better to go for something with a higher percentage

slim lynx
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140% damage + 2x crits, what's not to like

brazen nest
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You just got to get used to how arthur combo works

lime jolt
#

Its like having a 50 % crit chance with arty

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Pretty good

brazen nest
#

More chance to crit = more dmg

lime jolt
brazen nest
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About god's legacy/pride, I was thinking of going pride cause I've used legacy too much for the prophecies

slim lynx
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deadly strike on nem is 45% crits

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which is amazing if you get heart rend on special

brazen nest
#

Nemesis/zag bow with heart rend is just enemies melting

cunning urchin
brazen nest
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I actually prefer zag bow

lime jolt
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I mean its great if you prioritize prophecies but I just kind of payed the game and they happened

slim lynx
#

legacy is ideal if you're going for duos/legendaries

lime jolt
slim lynx
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otherwise pride is a no-brainer

lime jolt
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eg Merciful end

brazen nest
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Alrite, I'll switch to pride

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Though it's not maxed yet

dusky drum
cunning urchin
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Yes, but God's Legacy is niche in speedruns.

lime jolt
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Also make sure you have dark foresight on

brazen nest
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Zag bow is like super nemesis

lime jolt
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My runs became so much better after I did that

brazen nest
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Foresight is on

lime jolt
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ok

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good

brazen nest
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I remembered now I lost my 12 streak

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Cause of a dire satyr

cunning urchin
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Just take RI4 for 8 free Heat.

brazen nest
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Oh, I need to try GY artemis later

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I was putting the best girl on hold

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Cause you know prophecies

lime jolt
dusky drum
lime jolt
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Guaranteed

brazen nest
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Ri?

lime jolt
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routine inspection

brazen nest
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Ah the one that takes skills away?

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Oof

cunning urchin
lime jolt
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It helps with not having to worry about mirror talents- so easy heat

brazen nest
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Hey @slim lynx I didn't like the shield that much

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It felt clunky

dusky drum
cunning urchin
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It simplifies the game, so it makes it easier.

lime jolt
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Well you havent used it correctly then @brazen nest

dusky drum
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i like zeus shield tho

lime jolt
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Beowulf is just so much fun to use

dusky drum
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i got zeus legendary partway through tart one time with it so :3

cunning urchin
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Aegis is incredibly safe.

slim lynx
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didn't ask

brazen nest
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Zag shield is super good

dusky drum
brazen nest
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I want tips for a beo run later, if possible

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Get full zag build go aphro ares, ares special and aphro atk with their duo

lime jolt
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What casts did you use?

brazen nest
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Watch enemies melt

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I used poseidon

lime jolt
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Ok and did you get mirage shot?

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Bcs otherwise its useless

brazen nest
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No

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Oh

lime jolt
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try dio cast with stygian

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And get more casts from chaos

brazen nest
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Which cast would be better?

lime jolt
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Depends

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Dio is luck dependent from chaos

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Pos is a good overall pick

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Crush shot is also a decent pick

brazen nest
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Hmmmm ok, I'll keep it in mind for it then

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Like whenever I get 30 blood

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Gilga fists will go first

honest wing
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I want to do dio attack and aphro dash and low tolerance build, which aspect should i go

lime jolt
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As long as you play the game blood shouldnt be a problem

brazen nest
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Fists? With talon? @honest wing

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Also lucifer rail = fun with triple bomb

honest wing
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will probably put ares on the special

lime jolt
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Oh yeah lucy is great for dio attack and aphro dash

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Amazing low tolerance build

desert cypress
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I love lucy

lime jolt
#

same

honest wing
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I want to do fists

lime jolt
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Lucy is probably better

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but fists it doesnt really matter

desert cypress
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Juicy Lucy

lime jolt
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lucy goosy

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goosy lucy

desert cypress
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Yes yes

brazen nest
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Talon fists @honest wing

honest wing
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yea going with that only

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it's working good

brazen nest
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I need to upgrade my luci all the way

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And also test the exclusive hammers

hearty elbow
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They aren't... great.

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There are a couple of exceptions. Kind of.

brazen nest
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Hmmmm

lime jolt
opal lodge
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flash fire p good

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other ones kinda trash

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triple beam good

brazen nest
#

What's the main strategy with luci?

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The bomb is a trap?

slim lynx
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are cursed slash or exposed multiplicative?

desert cypress
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I don't think so

slim lynx
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exposed is additive

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i sleep

desert cypress
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Cursed slash is based on individual hits

slim lynx
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i don't care if it means i deal 150% backstab damage smh

desert cypress
#

Spy from TF2 in Hades

tranquil falcon
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yoooo

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1% bouldy gold

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i'm getting 101 gold from rooms now

desert cypress
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Poggers

tranquil falcon
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literally perfect run

desert cypress
#

Blessed run

hearty mulch
#

Bouldy blesses all

jovial fulcrum
#

what does the ambiguity bonus from bouldy do

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I've gotten it a bunch of times

hearty elbow
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It does everything

opal lodge
#

what do you think it foes?

tranquil falcon
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exclusive access is hot

hearty elbow
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If only it let you get epic Heart of Stone

desert cypress
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Heroic Heart of Stone

tranquil falcon
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also why is "a friendly wager" only 5 blood

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i feel like it should be much higher

dusky drum
tranquil falcon
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wait is it like

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twice in 1 run?

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or in two consecutive runs

hearty mulch
#

rare crop heart of stone

hearty elbow
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Two consecutive attempts

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They do not have to be in consecutive runs

tranquil falcon
#

oh okay

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that's much easier

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i thought it was two attempts in the same run lmaoooo

hearty elbow
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I was not aware that could happen but then again I virtually never fight him

tranquil falcon
#

i didn't know it could happen either

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i was just assuming that it could given the prophecy

muted canopy
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I beat 11 heat on Coronacht with Ares attack, Aphrodite special, and Curse of Longing

still vortex
#

what is the build on eris that is the fastests on the speed runs?

proven osprey
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Lightning strike, Tidal dash, Deadly or Heartbreak flourish, rocket and cluster bombs

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And more Zeus : jolted, billowing strength and the call are really good (if you're not going for dad keepsake)

hearty elbow
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Dio's Aid will be fastest by a lot though

worldly pier
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Dio aid kinda suck for eris speedrun imo

hearty elbow
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That's interesting. I'll defer to you :3. I guess the immediate damage from Zeus is more useful?

worldly pier
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Yeah, everything is dead before dio can do full damage

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It's still decent, but you really want either zeus or dad call

proven osprey
#

Thumb up from Lili shadesmile

fair locust
#

What use does dad keepsake have?

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Seems super niche

hearty elbow
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Big damage steroid for 2 seconds

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2/5 seconds

lime jolt
#

Yeah 100% more damage

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And that is why fo2 is not a problem with eris

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Everything is dead before they move

worldly pier
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and Hades fight manipulation, since using his keepsake make him repeat the previous attack, so it can prevent darkness. very usefull for speedruns optimisation

hearty elbow
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That is... very specific

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I didn't know it did that lol

proven osprey
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I used it a bit

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Very useful

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You can reset on dad sweep so you tank it twice and die

fair locust
#

Damage boost you say? Dang

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Actually sounds handy now

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Only 5 seconds of extra damage tho

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Only really useful it bossfights for a player like myself

proven osprey
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You don't really want to use the full call

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And it has an excellent synergy with Proud Bearing and the Aether Net

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So you can use it for room clear as soon as you enter them

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Even these few seconds are huge

worldly pier
#

yep, calls should be used asap usually

abstract raven
#

Would you say Aphro/Artemis calls are the only ones strictly better in Greater form?

worldly pier
#

I don't use them so It's hard to tell, but Aphro is certainly not very good before it can actually deal damage

lime jolt
#

Arty call does like no damage

hearty elbow
#

The opinions will vary if you're going for speed vs. completion. Aphro lesser calls are extremely good in boss fights, or against Chariots

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Well timed you can get Asterius to solo Theseus

lime jolt
#

Yes heroes aphro call is hilarious

abstract raven
#

Okay but what about Dio

lime jolt
#

Watching asterius beyblade on theseus is funny

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Good dps

jovial fulcrum
#

Arty lesser call is pretty bad.

abstract raven
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Lesser Dio feels so useless usually

hearty elbow
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Aphro call also stops every Dad attack, including big lasers, and forces him back to a neutral stance, so he needs to windup another attack

fair locust
#

Hades' Aid only deals damage on full call though, no?

jovial fulcrum
#

Aphro lesser can at least charm though

lime jolt
hearty elbow
jovial fulcrum
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charm is invaluable against bosses

fair locust
#

As in boosts damage sorry

jovial fulcrum
#

Lesser Dio is a DPS machine, yeah.

abstract raven
#

Even when it's not epic?

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Cause uhhh

jovial fulcrum
#

yes

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Dio Call + Smoldering Air kill hades by itself.

hearty elbow
#

Common Level 1 Dio's Aid is 600 damage minimum to one target minimum

jovial fulcrum
#

its a ton of damage

abstract raven
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Mmm guess I've been sleeping on that

hearty elbow
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People talk about the short range but idk why it's like the same range as a spear dash attack lmao

jovial fulcrum
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the only time range has been an issue with dio call for me is when it targets the wrong enemy

hearty elbow
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"wrong enemy" = Enemies that are still alive

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Not for long

lime jolt
#

Just dash to the right one

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For me it feels like it does it around me

hearty elbow
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It's probably also the most dramatic improvement for level 1 pom in the game

jovial fulcrum
#

yeah.
It's just annoying when it wastes a pulse or two on a numbskull in the dad fight

abstract raven
hearty elbow
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Iirc Dio's Aid is +6/4/3/2? Maybe 6/4/2/2

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Common is base 15 damage

jovial fulcrum
#

I've never felt the need to put more than two poms in it, tbh, so I can't remember what the third pom does

hearty elbow
#

I thought they nerfed most of the cast scaling from poms. They used to be like 50% lmao

jovial fulcrum
#

Trippy gets like 60 or 80 damage from the first pom, i think? It's a lot.
Though my memory is based on rare/epic versions

hearty elbow
#

If you're wondering about the math it's

15 base * 2 ticks/sec * 4 seconds * 5 stacks = 600 from level 1 common

brazen nest
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Man, chaos gives me the worst choices

jovial fulcrum
#

I once had Curse of Naus, Smoldering Air, Low Tolerance w/ Dio Call

brazen nest
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98%+ dash strike dmg (I'm using arthur) or 17%+ better boons

jovial fulcrum
#

it was the nuttiest nut to ever nut

brazen nest
#

Or 80+% backstab dmg

abstract raven
#

What region

brazen nest
#

Me? Tartarus

jovial fulcrum
#

probably dash strike on sword

brazen nest
#

First room

hearty elbow
#

100% dash strike damage legit on Arthur

brazen nest
#

Arthur dash strike isn't that good, except it counts for me combo dashs

abstract raven
#

Yes dash strike immediately useful

brazen nest
#

Then it's ridiculously broken

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Mid combo*

hearty elbow
#

It's like the best part of the weapon the higher heat you go :3

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But yeah it's not as fun as Strike 3 combo

brazen nest
#

Man, and earlier I had to choose between epic artemis dash and rare deadly strike

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I am tempted to get the rarity boon though

jovial fulcrum
#

both good

abstract raven
#

In Tartarus that's an excellent thing yes

jovial fulcrum
#

Personally, I like to leave my dash open for Divine or Tidal

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but hunter dash v good

abstract raven
#

It depends on how willing you are to rely on dash strike

serene zealot
#

Or if you need that dash to give a second curse for easy PS

brazen nest
#

For Artur i don't use it very much, I do the strike dash strike 2 dash strike 3 thing a lot

hearty elbow
#

I very much would pick Deadly Strike there because why else are you playing Arthur if not for big dummie thicc crits

brazen nest
#

I don't know how it works with this

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I wonder if dash strike damage boosts this combo

hearty elbow
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Carrying the strike combo with dashes does not count as Dash-Striking for damage calc purposes

brazen nest
#

Ok then

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Some day I'll have to destroy a run by taking cursed slash

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This day may not be it

hearty elbow
#

Anvil gang

brazen nest
#

Probably getting shadow slash

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Double nova ain't that good

muted canopy
#

I have to say, I like Raging Rush but Punishing Sweep is fun especially with Quick Spin

robust anchor
#

i believe nem sword heat record has cursed slash

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whether it was good is debatable bouldy

lime jolt
#

Kinda nutty

brazen nest
#

I'm using arthur it would mitigate the health, but nah

lime jolt
#

Cursed on arthur prob sucks

robust anchor
#

i agree

brazen nest
#

Epic hunter dash, epic support fire, rare clean kill

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Oh my

muted canopy
#

Punishing Sweep combined with Quick Spin and Tempest Strike is incredibly useful for hordes of enemies coming at you at once

brazen nest
#

Epic support fire it will be

tranquil falcon
#

which grouping of 4 gods has the most duo synergy?

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my immediate thought would be zeus, poseidon, artemis, demeter

dusky drum
#

that really depends on what weapon and how you play

tranquil falcon
#

but crystal clarity just doesnt exist

tranquil falcon
#

my question could be worded better

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something like "which grouping of 4 gods duo boons work the best together"

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ignoring everything else

dusky drum
#

arte, aphro, athena, ares tbh

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they all have really good synergy

#

but then again its all opinionated

tranquil falcon
#

what's aphro athena duo?

#

cofgot

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i forgot*

dusky drum
#

parting shot if im not mistaken, lets your cast backstab and you deal 35% more backstab damage

opal lodge
#

nah

#

your casts deal 35% more backstab dmg

#

nothing else deals bonus 35% it only affects cast

tranquil falcon
#

really?

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i thought it was everything

dusky drum
#

oh, i mean it is worded weirdly

#

wait

#

no

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons

Hades Wiki
Duo Boons

Duo Boons are a type of Boon which combines the powers of two different gods for a unique effect. Duo Boons can only be obtained with the correct prerequisite boons and, like normal boons, are lost when Zagreus dies and returns to the House of Hades.
There are currently 28 Duo Boons in Hades, shared between 8 different gods: Aphrodite, Ares, Art...

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that says that your cast gets any backstab bonuses and you get +% to backstab damage

#

like as an overall buff

proven osprey
#

Your cast is now able to backstab and you get a backstab bonus

dusky drum
#

yea

tranquil falcon
#

honestly i think zeus poseidon arty demeter work better together as duos

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since they all actually synergyze with each other

#

while with arty aphro ares athena

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athena aphro is cast backstab, but arty ares can't get backstabs

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and then arty duos are for crit but ares duos are focused on doom

#

i know deadly reversal heart rend is powerful

#

i know ME is powerful

#

i know hunting blades is powerful

#

but i'm not looking for jank god combos with powerful individual elements

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i'm looking for a combo of 4 where everything affects everythinfg else and synergises

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regardless of if it's good or not

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with zeus poseidon arty demeter

#

mirage shot blizzard lightning roddirectly buff the cast

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sea storm and cold fusion indirectly buff it

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the only reason i'm not sure about it is because crystal clarity literally just cant work

#

i dont think demeter is worth considering, because all of her duos except for cold fusion are for different casts(embrace and clarity are mutually exclusive)

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so you can only physically get 2/3 of the demeter duos, since cold fusion and the cast duo of choice

tough ridge
#

Hey guys im about to use guan yu. Itll be my 4th run, how should build?

brazen nest
#

Yay, got my best yet, 16:49

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Talos with heart rend and killing freeze

opal lodge
#

this has been tested and that is not how parting shot works

#

the wiki is frequently wrong

proven osprey
opal lodge
#

the bonus backstab only applies to your casts

proven osprey
#

The dps rotation is special > double dash strike. Try to fit casts in between too to optimize your dmg output

brazen nest
#

GY achilles heel (see the pun?) Is poison

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Also since it has super long range you can play it rather safe

lost swan
#

dunno why ppl sleep on demeter cuz honestly going w/ demeter boons has literally never failed me. every time i try to actually strategize w/ the gods i pick and the boon builds i get i just. fail horribly. demeter tho? she got my back

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trust ur gramma

robust anchor
#

chill is neat but she has some really poopy boons to offer

#

like her cast or call or ravenous will or nourished soul

dusky drum
#

ravenous will is alright tbh

#

like pair it with lightning rods and its cool

#

and extra damage is always nice

#

nourished is kinda niche tho

#

and cast is garbage

ripe flume
#

so I've been trying to get into using beo shield and I know that you want to load your casts while charging rush, but what's the best way to do that on controller? it seems really awkward with the default controls

robust anchor
#

rebind the controls to feel more comfortable

dusky drum
#

whenever i play with a cast weapon i always like to load at least 1-2 before i instigate anything

ripe flume
#

true but it's faster to immediately start charging and load during right?

dusky drum
#

and yea make the controls comfy to you, thats always important

dusky drum
ripe flume
#

gotcha I'll mess with binds later today

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ty

spiral badge
#

I put cast onto r2 a long time ago and never looked back. Helps a ton

ripe flume
#

oh good idea @spiral badge I'll try that

unkempt geyser
# opal lodge the wiki is frequently wrong

anyone is free to adjust the information, no one can fix things they aren't aware are incorrect. if you see something that's mistaken, please edit it or let someone know so it can be corrected

fringe jacinth
#

any tips for stygius? its the last one i need for the master of arms achievement

hearty mulch
fringe jacinth
#

nemesis ig, i havent played much with the sword so idrk

hearty mulch
#

Zag is the best for speedrunning... Apparently... But I wouldn't recommend it.

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Nemesis

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Excellent start.

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Now, Nemesis is an aspect which emphasizes attack. As such, I'd recommend only really using Casts as support for Boiling Blood and such

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Also, learn to dash. Dash a lot. It's probably the most important thing to learn for any melee weapon.

fringe jacinth
#

any recs for daedalus hammer upgrades?

hearty mulch
#

Since you don't play with the sword often, I can say this: Don't go Cursed Slash.

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That upgrade basically only works well with either experience or Flurry Slash.

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You also shouldn't go for Hoarding Slash. It isn't worth it.

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And World Splitter. Don't go for that one.

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Aside from those, Stygius actually has some well-balanced hammers that'll work well on a lot of different playstyles.

fringe jacinth
#

i ended up going w flurry slash

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ty for the tips

hearty mulch
#

Flurry Slash is good

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Np

still vortex
#

Draining Cutter is also wonky, it feels like it doesn't work when it should

hearty mulch
#

That's for Fists

#

But yeah, Draining Cutter is jank

coral cave
#

Also wouldn't really recommend dash nova

robust anchor
#

zag sword is not the best sword for speedruns

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zag sword is just nemesis without crit

hearty mulch
#

Zag Sword is literally the number one speedrun for swords on speedrun.com

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...I wish I was joking, but here we are.

fringe jacinth
#

im not rly into speedrunning or minmaxing tbh

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i just got into hades bc i thought nyx was pretty

robust anchor
#

Mini sword guide:

Sword Combos/Technique
This section is meant to be an intro to Sword mechanics. There is far too much to go into in a single section of a guide. Hopefully soon there will be a full guide on how to use the Sword effectively, but this will give you a solid starting point.

There are 3 main attacks that we will be using on the Sword: Special, Cast, and Dash-strike. These can be tied together in various combinations depending on which enemy you are facing.

  • Special -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- This is the OG sword combo. It is fast, mobile, and will deal 80/110 damage in a very short amount of time.
  • Cast -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- This is the new and improved sword combo. It still does 80/110 damage, but it does it even faster.
  • Cast -> Dash-strike -> Special -> Dash-strike -- This combo will very quickly tear down a Thug.
  • Special -> Cast -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- I use this combo a lot on many weapons. It adds almost no extra time to your normal combo, but it gives you an extra 50 damage.
  • Special -> Immediate Dash -- Hitting the dash button immediately after specialling will cause you to dash and then special where you finish dashing. It can be incredibly useful for clearing out enemies that would otherwise interrupt your special animation, such as numbskulls or witches.

At all times, make sure you are keeping track of where you’re going next. At the end of your combos, your dash is going to be on cooldown. Few things are as annoying as realizing you’re on the wrong side of the room and your single dash is on cooldown.
Credits to Museus.

coral cave
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpnOOhSftGc

YouTube
sleet gaming
YOU MAY BE USING THE SWORD WRONG... | Intermediate Guide | Hades v1.37

The swords are probably the most difficult weapon set to use, especially as you increase the heat from the Pact of Punishment. The reason is probably because the optimal way to use the sword -- DASH STRIKES -- is not intuitive. Dash-striking not only increases your damage potential but offers huge defensive benefits as well. In this video, I wa...

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gusty rapids
#

zag sword stinky

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send tweet

robust anchor
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pls be kind to zag sword

gusty rapids
#

no

hearty mulch
#

i agree

zag sword stinky

plucky pivot
#

arthur sword or BUST

hearty mulch
#

hades mod where the arthur theme song constantly plays when you use the aspect of arthur

lost harness
#

i think is the most op thing in the game

#

you just heal

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all the damage

hearty mulch
#

Doesn't matter when most enemies absolutely shred you because you dared to have the audacity to go into melee range

lost harness
#

iddudo mate

#

poison is kinda bs

#

but most things were ok

hearty mulch
#

Also the heal isn't even all that much per slash

#

Guan Yu gets more Heals because it is not only a ranged attack, but it lasts longer overall and gets more ticks per second

lost harness
#

what is that

hearty mulch
#

Spear Hidden Aspect

lost harness
#

oh

hearty mulch
#

Talk to Achilles and after a while he'll tell you about a dream he had

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Then interact with the spear to reveal the Aspect of Guan Yu

lost harness
#

do i have to give him juice ?

hearty mulch
#

Nah

#

After revealing the Aspect of Guan Yu, talking to certain characters or gods with certain weapons will allow you to unlock their Hidden Aspect as well

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But I won't say any more than that.

cunning urchin
# brazen nest What's the main strategy with luci?

I don't really play the aspect, but you could watch some Lucifer runs on the high heat leaderboard. I know they def use the Special. Apparently Triple Bomb is really strong, and Divine Flourish is very safe. Most common Attack pick is Lightning Strike.

hearty mulch
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Can confirm.

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I actively use Luci a lot, and Triple Bomb basically makes the weapon.

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It functions as a sort of burst damage-focused weapon

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Like a Hestia that uses Special rather than Attack

opal lodge
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zeus attack is good

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arty special for damage

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athena special for safety

hearty mulch
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You know

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I've always wondered something...

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What's the ranking of the Lucy-unique Daedalus hammers?

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I know the Eternal Chamber upgrade is arguably the best one, but what about the others?

half crater
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i’m no the best lucy player but imo the ranking is pretty straightforward there

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eternal chamber > flash fire > triple beam > greater inferno > concentrated beam

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triple beam might be better than flash fire if you have a good handle lucy, but the others i’m pretty confident about

hearty mulch
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Yeah, concentrated beam is garbo

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I never tried Flash Fire or Greater Inferno though. I suppose trying out the former won't hurt

half crater
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flash fire is really nice

gusty rapids
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is eternal chamber the best?? ive heard meh things about it

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flash fire and triple beam are both pretty good

half crater
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greater inferno doesn’t do that much in my experience, since it only effects the waves and not the explosion

half crater
gusty rapids
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losing ramping = bad

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ive used it a few times and the damage dropoff is very sadge

half crater
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having to deal with the startup animation less often = double good

lime jolt
half crater
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with zeus attack the ramp doesn’t do that much

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idk i could be wrong tho

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i’d be willing to accept flash fire as the best hammer ig

hearty mulch
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Yeah, zeus attack means the ramp up doesn't matter

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Besides, Lucy's main focus isn't attack anyways. It's the Hellfire.

gusty rapids
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well the ramp still does significant damage

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like ive looked at the white and yellow numbers

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and the base attack still does quite a lot

half crater
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it’s noticeable for sure

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like i said; i’m not a lucy expert

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could easily be wrong

gusty rapids
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reloading isnt that big of a deal tht id take eternal over any other decent hammer

half crater
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fair

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gotta admit flash fire vs. eternal would be a hard choice

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i might pick flash fire

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if triple bomb’s there then screw both of them tho lol

lime jolt
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I had it on a low tolerance run (my fav lucy build) so I really kinda needed the white damage

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eternal chamber is a defense buff

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At least in the sense that now you never have to let off the trigger and can exclusively focus on moving around

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Ramping is hard to lose though

mellow jetty
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Is concentrated beam bad? Can't you just slap a high base damage mod on it and go to town

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With arty/aphro/demeter

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If I was building Lucy for 32, which I would never do, I would love eternal chamber to help with concentrating on FO2, for instance

mellow jetty
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Obvs its not the meta build with zeus attack

spiral badge
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Being able to stop spinning that plate would be a godsend if I still had a good Zeus attack build

mellow jetty
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But more than one way to skin an onion

fierce hare
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for demeter what builds should i be focusing on? zeus attack and artemis special?

limber cloak
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You can go merciful end demeter

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With ares attack, athena special and dash

spiral badge
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As Paper said your other great option is ME

fierce hare
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what hammers should i be looking for for this?

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the charge one?

spiral badge
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which is kind of easy to justify on dem tbh, considering ares is just a fundamentally good choice for an attack boon

fierce hare
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charge special*

spiral badge
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Charge one is lovely with dem

coral cave
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explosive upper is great

spiral badge
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Just remember it does full damage even with no charge

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So use your special much more actively in combat with it. It has greatly reduced endlag next to the regular special

limber cloak
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Kinetic launcher demeter is so fun

spiral badge
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IMO

limber cloak
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For fists in general, breaching cross, colossus knuckle, explosive upper etc are good

spiral badge
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Yeah colossus too

fierce hare
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wait whats kinetic launcher? i dont think ive seen that yet

spiral badge
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Life steal can be a good gimmick on high heat with dem but not soooo great for regular play

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Concentrated knuckle is a trap, avoid

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The other great generalist hammer is long knuckle

spiral badge
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Slightly lower overall damage (-10) but packaged into one shot instead of 2

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And much quicker endlag

fierce hare
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OH cool

spiral badge
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muuuuuch

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Turns your uppercut into a viable tool in regular combat

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Reduced endlag is an s-tier stat

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fierce hare
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You should basically only ever dash special under regular circumstances

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Fists are weird. Only weapon where the special has a separate dash category

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Regular special has its place as a follow up, finisher 2nd hit to dash special

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But dash special’s endlag makes it tons more useful in general play

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Special exception to that is dem fists though

fierce hare
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the thing that made my experience worse was that i took the quake cutter hammer and that just made it even worse cuz it it made me wait for the whole animation

spiral badge
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The only rule there is to make sure you never waste your dem charge on the dash special. You will cut your damage in half

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Yeah quake cutter is kind of a trap unless you have a really specific build

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Explosive upper is light years more useful by comparison

dusky drum
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like ive had some good builds with it

spiral badge
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Actually true lol

dusky drum
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hitting 1k ez

rare kindle
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breaching is good too for getting through armor

spiral badge
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Explosive upper busted

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Forgot to take that into account

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Explosive upper completely negates that sentence puggle. If you find it feel free to ignore

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It fully compensates the damage diff between the two

dusky drum
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like explosive with kinetic/charge/draining is my ideal setup

cunning urchin
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Breaching Cross > Explosive Upper.

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Breaching cross is the best fist hammer pound for pound. It really is a conversation for 2nd

dusky drum
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I’ve had such cursed luck with them I’ve just mentally blocked them from existence 🙈

dusky drum
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ive gotten some good anvils tho, i forget the run but i think it was a spear

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and i got serrated edge and i got the 2 spin ones to replace it

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so it was epic

cunning urchin
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You should take it when it can save your run.

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You shouldn't take it when it can bust your run.

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Unless you just wanna do it for fun, which is fair.

rare kindle
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what if you're only offered one hammer throughout the run?

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Like what happened with me on a recent hades spear run

spiral badge
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Had that happen. Still didn’t risk.

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I’m convinced the anvil has sentience, and is evil

rare kindle
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All hammers in tartarus were in shops, didn't get any in asphodel, got one in elysium, and then anvil offered in styx

dusky drum
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Like Nya said I’ll only take it if I somehow got 2 trash hammer rolls and it can’t hurt me any worse than I already am lol

kindred sandal
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@spiral badge I'm curious how you figure dash-special does less damage than special using Demeter fists.

spiral badge
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Lower base damage

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Dem fists doesn’t care which version it procs on, iirc

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It’s just going to do 5 hits of something

kindred sandal
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Really? Last I checked dash special has 10 higher base damage, but hits 1 time less.

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cunning urchin
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Dash-Upper does more damage with Gigacutter.

spiral badge
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Two events, but the game counts it as one special

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Yeah the exception is explosive

cunning urchin
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No.

spiral badge
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Or am I wrong nya?

cunning urchin
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7x30 = 210
6x40 = 240

spiral badge
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I always understood that dem just takes the base damage of the input and does it’s thing

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Ah, I stand corrected

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Thank you!

cunning urchin
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Dash-Upper is also affected by Dash-Strike boons.

kindred sandal
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Yeah, I just tested it to confirm: when using gigacutter, dash special totals at 240 and special totals at 210, without backstab or other modifiers.

cunning urchin
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Namely, Hunter Dash and Lunge.

spiral badge
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So then really always just dash upper then 😅

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That makes life simple

cunning urchin
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Flying Cutter gets double base damage when fully charged. It's pretty good.

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Doesn't work with Dash-Special.

kindred sandal
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I honestly can't live without the huge, low-lag damage of the dash-gigacutter.

spiral badge
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I don’t ever regular special in the first place if I can help it so that’s great news to me

kindred sandal
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It's explosive upper or nothing.

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This is somewhat off-topic but I've been struggling with shielded enemies when using Hera bow and Athena cast. Does anyone else seem to be unable to get casts to actually deal damage?

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For reference, it still happens even when attacking from behind. The casts all get blocked, but the arrow itself still hits.

cunning urchin
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Don't power-shoot because that pierces, and then your Cast will spawn in front of your enemies if you backstab with your Attack.

kindred sandal
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So I can power-shoot from in front, but not behind?

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I'll have to test that out. But thanks for the tip!

cunning urchin
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Well, it won't pierce the shield from the front.

kindred sandal
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Doesn't bow attack have innate pierce...?

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Or am I mistaken?

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I'll take a look.

turbid needle
dusky drum
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lmao