Basically because curse of drowning is an aoe its a perfect thing to have at the end of a bullrush imo
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
echo veldt
gonna go with chiron aspect first, it just seems more fun to use than fully upgraded eris
turbid needle
Im still experimenting with the game tho so theres prob ways to do more
Well i alrezdy know i like curse of drowning
turbid needle
I just got a victory using it. Having curse of drowning up while you move in on hades when its safe is a dmg boost
still vortex
Ares dio duo is also choice with Chiron
still vortex
Two runs ago I had the worst Charon fight possible lol
turbid needle
Maybe i should do something else with beowulf
echo veldt
i haven't beaten charon yet 
turbid needle
I just wanna do something thats good to stack all 3 casts so its just a ton of dmg
still vortex
Beowulf run with Artemis cast, but had a chaos curse that made it so I couldn't pick up my casts. No other boons it was early Tartarus. Worst Charon ever lol
turbid needle
I prefer 3 casts over 3sec regen cast
still vortex
Beowulf is usually always better to go infernal over Stygian
stable sigil
Any recs for a hera run?
still vortex
I heard dio on special
turbid needle
A tartarus charon sounds tough
Asphodel charon was a challenge for sure he actually took a death defiance that time from me
manic willow
Ok I want to know what is the recommended aspect for all weapons, I’ve already done sword bow fists spear
So what’s good for gun and shield
honest wing
dude I literally had every single boon in the game that says blade rift other than the ares legendary
jovial fulcrum
man I haven't died to champs in forever
I guess a bad chaos boon does that though
spiral badge
Zag and zeus shield are 2 of the most 0-braincell fun aspects in this game
People love chaos too but I can’t get into bullrushing. Just keep attacking until the bad mans are dead
For gun it’s really simple. Zag rail is classic zag, cheap and effective. Particularly good with the shotgun hammers. Eris and Hestia are both monsters. Lucy is Meme Beam
fair cairn
yeah not worth it lol
spiral badge
Sometimes you need to stop and appreciate the classics. Nemesis is just....... such a beautiful weapon
fair cairn
Nemesis is super clean
honest wing
it is close, but crytal clarity kinda necessary with beam
sort of how you would take hunting blades with ares cast
it's just really important and hits more
still vortex
How does plus special damage affect ares curse?
honest wing
it doesn't
special damage only affects the physical damage done by your special
so extra stuff like hangover damage, ares doom curse, zeus lightning doesn't get affected
with stuff that affects the percentage damage of your special, like aphrodite poseidon demeter artemis, extra special damage, or attack damage, works welll with that
turbid needle
Curse of drowning with beowulf isnt good u were right
Its better to just keep it an instant dmg cast
devout trellis
Is Artemis cast good on Hera?
robust anchor
no bc there are better options
fair cairn
aphro or dio
aphro is in general considered better since curse of longing and heart rend are just too good
plus dio has higher down time due to the fog lingering preventing blood stone drop
robust anchor
kind of a bummer the archer lady doesn’t have a better cast
fair cairn
arty's kit is as strong as she is already
limber cloak
arty cast is usually pretty good for beginners
since you no longer need to aim your cast
with weapons like poseidon sword, that can be really good to use
still vortex
Exit wounds with Poseidon sword is good
jovial fulcrum
Arty cast can be fun
its not the best option tho
it can be kind of funny w/ Aphro cast on hera bow
er
Aphro attack
Cause the attack hits first, then you get a bunch of cast arrows, potentionally w/ heart rend
dense remnant
yeah, it works, but it's not that good overall
i wish true shot had a bit more crit chance
turbid needle
Im so conflicted on asking+looking for builds or just keep experimenting myself
dense remnant
asking will always give u ideas
limber cloak
you can do both, experiment sometimes by equipping something like ||mom pom|| and ask for builds
dense remnant
i don't think u can really spoil urself with builds, that depends on how much of a satisfaction u get off of discovering particular builds/interaction on ur own
im the guy who spent over 200 escape attempts without looking for builds, had tons of fun on my own
still, while i didn't really get new ideas asking around in this discord, people definitely put some things into perspective
i undervalued some things, overvalued others
i learned quite a bit
jovial fulcrum
same
I like mom pom a lot. Its fun taking it in to styx and getting like 5 poms for free
assuming you take all the paths for funsies ofc
dense remnant
ooh, mom pom reads quite a bit different if ur not looking at the word the right way
jovial fulcrum
😉
dense remnant
i still depend on acorn quite a bit
jovial fulcrum
I probably don't depend on it enough
I'm too greedy with pom and hourglass
taking in hourglass when you have tons of gold and just stacking up the well buffs in styx is fun
jovial fulcrum
nah
hopefully they add a Daedalus hammer trinket
That's the only trinket i can think of really wanting, tbh
honest wing
nah too OP
turbid needle
Oh damn i kinda assumed there was the entire box full but i still have most companions to get so its chill
tidal scaffold
Ended Friendship with Zeus, now Beowulf is my best friend~
honest wing
plus you can only get 2 hammers total not counting the anvil
jovial fulcrum
still need 2 companions
jovial fulcrum
I'm almost out of ambrosia though so its all good
i hear a lot about Zeus and Posiden lasers
turbid needle
Trippy shot maybe
tidal scaffold
Lol, nectar gives me more Max than Centaur heart:)
What should i go for with Beowulf
I have artemis Boon right in front of me rn
Omg faster attack is Bruuuuuh
tidal scaffold
Dammit, already took zeus...
tidal scaffold
What about hammer?
jovial fulcrum
charge shot
tidal scaffold
charge shot
Isnt one of the choices
jovial fulcrum
rip
turbid needle
Bad advice dont listen to him lol get the %500 bullrush
tidal scaffold
Is dread flight good?
turbid needle
Its easy to time it
cloud vault
Charged shot first
turbid needle
Charge shot is good too tho
cloud vault
And double smack is also good
turbid needle
I mean ive had charge shot seem good then later on i wish i didnt choose it
Like u can already throw ur shield
jovial fulcrum
I had that experience with Sudden Rush.
Its good sometimes, but other times its makes it tricky
turbid needle
If charge shot somehow does more damage than a timed 500% bullrush I'm wrong but i doubt it
tidal scaffold
Should is sell zeus cast and hope for better?
tidal scaffold
Well i did just get Lightning rod and cheesed the Hydra
Turns out im not very good at JUST dodging tho
cloud vault
I think Sudden rush is really good too
nocturne raven
Just started using ||Benefits Package|| and I'm pretty sure Wringers with ||Forced Overtime|| are the most frustrating enemies in the entire game, good lord.
patent pewter
i nominate the chariots
honest wing
fair point
I see your chariots
and raise you voidstone (the shield stone thingies) during hades fight
coral cave
Can't relate because I never have em4 on
honest wing
it isn't EM4 specific
coral cave
Oh you're talking about the normal ones
honest wing
it's just sometimes when hades calls the wretches of the underworld, the shield stone things come, and make hades himself impervious
coral cave
Thought you were talking about the big one
Oh wait I'm thinking about the completely wrong thing lol
Nvm
cloud vault
Oh the crystals
nocturne raven
Honestly the real jerks of the ||Hades|| fight are the Strongbows. Almost had a completely damageless fight against him the other day if it weren't for a group of Strongbows just camping in a single spot firing off arrows like nobody's business.
nocturne raven
Yep, and the visual indicator is fine.. unless there are like 5 of them overlaid at once and not all of the enemies are in the same area
I swear, they need some sort of an arrow pointing in their direction or something.
jovial fulcrum
i did a few runs with benefits package and still haven't seen... poppers i think it was
honest wing
it's so annoying when in the hades fight it's just strongbows or those little butterflies taking all the acorn shields
jovial fulcrum
I've gotten teleportation flame wheels like 3 times though
honest wing
that must suck
jovial fulcrum
lmao its pure chaos when it happens
flat garden
why is it that i always get new pb's with zag aspects
i dont even like them
whats a good attack boon on zag bow
coral cave
arte
jovial fulcrum
when in doubt, arty it out
flat garden
not one that increases dmg?
i have been using a lot of arty boons to buff up the crits but i was putting aphro on my attack
proven osprey
Usually you go Arty to get even more crit and Passion Dash to get Heart Rend online
But Heartbreak strike just works too tbh
The thing is that Artemis will outscale with T2s and Heart Rend
But since you have natural crit it's less true than other weapons
jovial fulcrum
not one that increases dmg?
deadly strike does increase damage tho.
Just by a smaller percent
flat garden
i think its by far the smallest percentage increase which is what i was talking about
but yeah that makes sense
robust anchor
on average, it is on par with aph attack
willow haven
on average, it is on par with aph attack
wdym by average
robust anchor
average
willow haven
aphro has some of the highest numbers
jovial fulcrum
until you get mark, then you always crit
robust anchor
but on average, the dmg is as much, even slightly more than aph
willow haven
yeah, very inconsistent if you don't go for crit builds
willow haven
i see
cloud vault
Artemis works best with innate crit as well
And bow happens to have a strong base damage attack namely power shot or dash power shot
jovial fulcrum
Nemesis Arty is 👌
willow haven
yeah exactly
cloud vault
With marked target and clean kill to support your attack, it becomes quite powerful. It also pierces targets while the Marked status jumps between them.
willow haven
that's the biggest game changer imo
cloud vault
And passion dash or heart special can lead to heart Rend and even more support boons like sweet surrender
Or you can go the Athena route on the bow for deadly reversal shots
willow haven
yep, i was going AAA build with deadly reversal and heartrend on fists, it was pretty amazing
willow haven
fr
fair cairn
arty also comes with the extra tactical advantage of being able to burst something down
willow haven
jovial fulcrum
one day I'll get heart rend w/ the crit recall spear forge
and it will be underwhelming for sure
but it will still be cool to have done it at least once
flat garden
i had a lot of fun with zag bow and triple + explosive shot
hearty mulch
all rail weapons auto-reload when you fully unload the clip, let go of attack, then attack again
cloud vault
Delta chamber is for you
willow haven
yes 
flat garden
does typhoon's fury affect non-poseidon wallslams?
cloud vault
I think so, it's in the wiki. Some of the boons do for sure.
brazen nest
@spiral badge I need your help, seeing as your playstyle is similar to mine, I have 15 blood to unlock a new aspect, I'm thinking of one on the hidden one, the only I can't now is lucifer, which would you recommend?
cloud vault
Arthur and Rama are great
brazen nest
Arthur felt sloooooooow
Beo feels nice though, with a cast like poseidon or aphro
Rama feels nice too
mortal forum
how does lightning rod work with hermes's legendary?
patent pewter
the one that returns you the cast immediately after it drops? badly im guessing
mortal forum
ye ah well
cloud vault
It doesn't
mortal forum
not even 1 zap?
honest wing
hey hey hey guess who just did the charon fight while under the chaos curse of not being able to earn money
this clown 🤡
mortal forum
you still got the 20% card semiclown
mortal forum
ah got it, had the option for it previous run but ignroed it
flat garden
its not worth it
unless theres no other boon you want
you can get it adn then sell it for an easy 420
proven osprey
hey hey hey guess who just did the charon fight while under the chaos curse of n...
Just say you did it for the flex
patent pewter
whats a fun ||chaos|| shield build
mortal forum
dont need to spoiler hide here btw
patent pewter
fair enuf teehee
brazen nest
Which aspect?
patent pewter
fine ill do beo
drifting robin
But zeus on special for chaos
honest wing
Just say you did it for the flex
I lost two death defiances and almost my last one, and then immidiately died in the next room
turbid needle
should i take electric shot ?
cloud vault
Why not?
turbid needle
This is Hades, you'll die a lot
everytime i die ill go through same path ?
cloud vault
Not exactly but not too different
cloud vault
There's different chambers and enemy compositions, there's 2 or 3 different minibosses per biome
Keys unlock weapons and mirror talents
Think of dying as advancing the house story and getting some upgrades for your future runs.
cloud vault
I think you're right, people who like hades tend to be in for the long haul
proven osprey
I lost two death defiances and almost my last one, and then immidiately died in ...
Ultimate flex then. Proud of you.
flat garden
yep
unfortunate that i didnt get an epic greater evasion
or a heroic one. couldnt get demeter to spawn
cloud vault
You can go over 100
But 100 is where the benefit stops, of course
Plume Fist with greater dodge, ruthless Reflex and Hermes call dodge
drifting robin
So you are literally immune with 100 percent?
proven osprey
yeah
proven osprey
unfortunate that i didnt get an epic greater evasion
Could have gone for Second Wind, Malphon is good at building up calls
flat garden
oh i didnt even think about ruthless reflex
flat garden
Could have gone for Second Wind, Malphon is good at building up calls
poseidon didnt spawn either unfortunately
hearty elbow
Dio's is ideal in that case
proven osprey
Yeah but if you wanna dodge, you grab any call, good enough
hearty elbow
You know, when you have to optimize your damage when you're completely invulnerable :3
proven osprey
Embrace stubborn defiance
willow haven
Embrace stubborn defiance
thank you LMFAO
i actually had no idea
i needed stubborn defiance for that
this never would've been completed if you hadn't said that
willow haven
i grinded 4 hours today to finish the hermes and duos quests while tracking this
i was 
to not check shops in elysium
proven osprey
Kiss of styx replenishes DD while Touch of styx grants you +10% life restoration upon death
proven osprey
yeah the same happened to me tbh
willow haven
proven osprey
I was missing that one and I was like 'hmmm'
willow haven
we really need more tool tips
proven osprey
Went the Onion bro way for 30 minutes
willow haven
lol
proven osprey
willow haven
🧅
brazen nest
Beo feels worse as the floors go up, where you have to dodge more
Don't know if the 15 blood was worth it
Might give up to try another one
jovial fulcrum
Privileged Status is global damage right
real crest
I just tried a cast run with infernal soul hermes run and it was OP
brazen nest
Question, I spent some blood, immediately I started a run
If I give up, will I go back to before spending it?
echo veldt
does getting deathless defiance add an extra death defiance after you've already bought back one death defiance from the shop?
coral cave
If I give up, will I go back to before spending it?
If you didn't leave the courtyard after spending the blood then yes
proven osprey
It takes some practice
echo veldt
i guess people would know about it if you could get 4 death defiances this way
echo veldt
do the shop death defiances count as regular ones tho?
brazen nest
I don't remember how it happened
echo veldt
was hoping it'd just stick one ontop of the bought one
fervent elbow
Athena DD heals 50% hp
proven osprey
You'll get one if you're missing one
echo veldt
well i have 3, but one is a shop replenished one
brazen nest
I'm going arthur I guess or rama
echo veldt
sounds like i won't get another then
proven osprey
you won't indeed
jovial fulcrum
the only ways to get more than 3 are Lucky Tooth and Chaos legendary
coral cave
Yes
brazen nest
Huh, interesting
echo veldt
i'm kinda glad, getting blinding flash with athena dash/cast with 5dashes seems good
stuff gonna be exposed all the time
jovial fulcrum
Exposed op :👌
brazen nest
Let's go Uber tank with arthur
stable sigil
Any recs for a hera run?
proven osprey
Eternal Rose start, get Crush shot. Backstab your enemies at poink blank range. Snow burst is super good, it's aoe damage and will kill the exalted souls in Elysium so you can keep your casts for other enemies. You can get Deadly strike for more damage
delicate tusk
Any recs for a hera run?
Artemis Cast is my personal preference
jovial fulcrum
yes
stable sigil
Oh very spicy
jovial fulcrum
Posiden is the 'best' cast for Hera, but it doesnt really matter what you use on low heat
proven osprey
You totally can, some players like tidal dash to get it (since you'll meet the prereq with deadly strike). I do not like tidal since it will most likely get your enemies out of the snow burst range. Also, mirage shot is not necessary at all, it's overkill except en bosses
Crush Shot is the best cast, not flood shot
jovial fulcrum
Posiden has dat Aoe though
stable sigil
Crush shot has the thicc damage
jovial fulcrum
Flood shot does a lot too and has that phat aoe
idk, preference i guess
iirc, the speedrun shoot for posiden cast.
Maybe that's the beo speedrun though, not the hera speedrun
hard to remember, it was a while ago i watched those
stable sigil
I thought beo used trippy flare
proven osprey
Beo used to go Aphro/Beo
jovial fulcrum
Depends on which bloodstones you use for Beo
proven osprey
But you go for poseidon now
For the mirage shot basically
But Aphrodite and Dio still work really well
stable sigil
Same
spiral badge
Rama is probably the best-balanced weapon in the game
In that it has 2 extremely viable buttons
That have a synergy between them that makes 2+2=5
Feels a little slow at first but amazingly sturdy and capable weapon
jovial fulcrum
It's hard for me to get over the draw time on rama
spiral badge
The trick with rama is that there are several hammers that mitigate the draw time
And the need to land perfect shots constantly
jovial fulcrum
It was the GDQ run I watched, btw.
I forget it who it was, but the definitely went for posiden cast on purpose.
I can't remember if it was Hera or Beo, since they used both
cloud vault
I love Phalanx Hera
spiral badge
Twin shot for instance makes your attack much, muuuuch more consistent. Though power shots are still recommended. Good Bow form will help Rama a bunch
cloud vault
It can lead into parting shot and lightning Phalanx, both are insanely good
proven osprey
It was Beo Appa
cloud vault
Phalanx actually backstabs when you shoot an enemy in the front, if you have parting
spiral badge
Beo would be my second pick of the hiddens. I know you felt it clunky Gabe, and I’m right there with you, but enough people in here who Know What the Hell talk it up that there has to be something in there. You may like Arthur, but I found it too slowly paced, too defensive for me. Rama is my fave hidden by a mile. Power supreme
stable sigil
The trick with beowulf is to dash attack, and then use the button press from the dash attack to charge your rush
spiral badge
I’ve had successful runs with beo, but it’s been doing some odd things like taking charged special and using that for a good bit of damage that I know probably isnt optimal play lol
It’s a very strong aspect with everything its kit has going on. It just feels slower to use
I put a point in beo’s column that it’s the only one of the 3 shields with the Capt. America style throw that feels chunky enough. I actually enjoy using it as a damage source, where zag and chaos it’s just a scratch/lots of scratches
stable sigil
Those were what i was talking about
honest wing
with trippy flare you got ice wine and scintillating feat
brazen nest
I see, Aurash. Rama will be the next one then, I did arthur, it's fun, of course my build has a lot to do with the fun part
Super big aura zone that slows enemies with super uber blade rift and zeus + ares vengeance
It's super slow, but it's a fun kind of slow
honest wing
what do you got blade rift and zeus on
brazen nest
I had all the blade rift boosts, even the legendary
stable sigil
Just finished the hera run. Very much reccomend artemis/zeus hera, 9/10 artemis boons help it out a lot
honest wing
I dont even
honest wing
why would you want lightning rod
willow haven
until tunnels
honest wing
isn't lightning rod counter productive
stable sigil
You shoot em. The stones pop out after 5 seconds. As you go to pick them up, they do some tasty extra damage
stable sigil
Espec with double strike/zeus legendary
honest wing
I see
stable sigil
And i had four casts, so i could leave one out while i used the rest to attack
honest wing
it's like a take it if you get it but no need to like build for it
brazen nest
Let's go for yet another zag bow run
I'll try to get the last artemis duo
Then I'll retire the bow until I can get rama
honest wing
rama is epic
worldly forum
Last Stand (Athena's DD boon) doesn't add a death defy if you haven't lost one, right?
stable sigil
Nope
honest wing
no
stable sigil
Just replenishes
worldly forum
Thought so, thank
stable sigil
Chaos defiance does, though
worldly forum
Oh does it? That's good to know
cloud vault
Athena can add death defiance if you're running stubborn
stable sigil
You can have 5 slots max, 3 from mirror, one from chaos, one from skelly. The skelly charge only replenishes a flat amount of health instead of a percentage
You can replenish slots with athena, kiss of styx from charon well, and deluxe kiss of styx from patroclus. Those replenish 50% of health
honest wing
why is it that
proven osprey
Deluxe kiss restores more
Kiss is different from Touch
cloud vault
Oh yeah I get names confused
honest wing
with eurydice and patty they named the buffs to fancy stuff which you already get in game like the cyclops jerky kiss of styx, ambrosia and nectar, but with sissy it's just h e a l i n g
also if you have stubborn and take the DDs from patty what happens
cloud vault
Your stubborn is upgraded for the next 15 encounters
stable sigil
To restore 80%? I think? Instead of 30%
proven osprey
+50%
cloud vault
Something like that, it's really good
drifting robin
Yeah patty kind of carries at high heat(atleast for me)
brazen nest
I was thinking that you had to escape to clear the hidden weapon aspects
Just got to get to hades
Arthur was fun, beo wasn't so much
jovial fulcrum
Patty got nothing on that bouldy buff
robust anchor
he gives a boon
spiral badge
Bouldy is your best bro
jovial fulcrum
random, small boon when you give him nectar
spiral badge
His keepsake is great until you’re way up there in heat
abstract raven
Mmm love that bonus to ambiguity
spiral badge
Healing, damage and money
Companion*
Shackle is the keepsake. Great too but for shackle reasons
brazen nest
I have skelly as a companion
Totally forgot to use him last run
Almost died
Also vengeful mood was disappointing
Nyx doesn't want to help me with sysiphus quest
Nor achilles quest
And orpheus is dumb and so am I cause I forgot go play the dumb harp before going on the run
jovial fulcrum
shackle seems tough to make use of
robust anchor
she didnt help me until i gave her juice
jovial fulcrum
Also vengeful mood was disappointing
its kinda tricky. I had it earlier and it was decent w/ Ares vengeance and athena vengeance.
I can see it being meh if you only have like Demter's vengeance boon and/or Aphro's.
if you can snag it with Zeus's vengeance boon its really nice, cause that one does a ton of damage compared to the others
spiral badge
shackle seems tough to make use of
Shackle comes into its own once heat starts to ratchet up. It laughs in the face of AP2, and lots of RI. Very helpful for when the going starts to get really tough and you need to start thinking about things other than boons to see you through a run
Also it’s hilarious before that for meme runs
Trick with Shackle is you need to take as much Chaos as you can, because you’ll need to scale for the late game. Shackle itself on any reasonable weapon will pretty much carry you through the first two floors, but because its damage buff is static you need to find ways to keep scaling your damage later into a run, which effectively means Chaos and more Chaos
Shackle Hestia laughs in the face of 32 heat, for instance. Same with Rama and Zeus Shield
Any weapon that has particularly powerful hammers like bow will see lots of benefits from shackle too
Shackle is all about scaling yourself with everything that’s not a boon, and it actually works damn well lol
jovial fulcrum
I don't see the synergy between shackle and chaos boons. OR am I just misunderstanding and there is none
spiral badge
So the trick is
Shackle buffs any slot that doesn’t have a boon, which means any number it encounters and modifies will start from its most base damage
Chaos, on the other hand, is one of the few ways to buff those same base stats over a run
jovial fulcrum
oh wow, huh
spiral badge
Someone put it well in this channel earlier
Other gods boons give zagreus new abilities
jovial fulcrum
I thought shackle was just global damage as long as you have 0 boons
spiral badge
But Hermes and particularly Chaos modify Zagreus himself
Important distinction
Nope nope, read carefully
Shackle only monitors and cares about damage-dealing slots
Which are basically attack, special and cast
So Chaos will not affect shackle negatively on your attack, as long as the boon slot itself remains unfilled
jovial fulcrum
Yeah thats way better than I thought it was, I just didnt understand how it works
spiral badge
Yeah, that’s shackle
Silly strong
Niche, but siiiiillly strong
And it makes mincemeat out of the beginning stages of “high heat” because it Gives No Effs about not having boons
rare kindle
Less boons in high heat because of underworld customs and approval process anyway
you don't want to take a stinky low damage% boon when you have shackle
spiral badge
precisely
Shackle is a strong meme when you are showered with all the boons in the world
But when heat takes those boons away, it’s just strong
Shackle lets you touch pacts that are ordinarily really dire to take, like RI and AP
cloud vault
Another way to scale shackle can be hunter dash
It adds to your attack without conflicting with shackle
spiral badge
Excellent point ^^^
Shackle is amazing but it’s scaling is few and far between. So you need every tool you can get to help yourself along for floor 3+
digital canyon
Poseidons Aid with Smoldering Air with Zag shield was just so strong
Basically invincible
onyx flume
But with aspect of ||arthur|| and artemis attack is insane
it one taps almost everything before elysiem
digital canyon
What does ||arthur|| do?
spiral badge
Arthur has Big Ganondorf Energy
sonic ember
big gorilla vibes
robust anchor
big knife go BONK
digital canyon
More HP. Aura reduces damage and slows things
Are there any negatives to the aspect?
digital canyon
Gotcha
Il try it once i get it. Been waiting forever for ||guan yu|| to pop
Ive done everything and completed 20ish runs. Nothing.
echo veldt
does achilles aspect get no crit benefit from vicious skewer?
tidal scaffold
Havent used it yet sry
proven osprey
You can recover your spear with Achilles, just press attack and not special
Hence you can benefit from Vicious skewer
tidal scaffold
Oof would hate to alternate like that, is it really worth it?
proven osprey
(which is not worth it at all)
proven osprey
It's a bad hammer
tidal scaffold
I liked Ares cast, but maybe it can be better
proven osprey
You can try Poseidon, Aphrodite with infernal, Dio with stygian
People like Poseidon for the aoe and mirage shot
tidal scaffold
Yeah, but i still wanna use Beowulf for now
tidal scaffold
You said stygian
proven osprey
Stygian cast is the green one
tidal scaffold
Oh maybe i read it worng
proven osprey
Stygius is the sword
tidal scaffold
Yup i got them wrong XD
Well rift covers some nice AoE as well
But dionysus seems a good idea
proven osprey
It's not really good
Just try poseidon and you'll see what an aoe is
while also phasing bosses in three shots
But it's not the worst either
tidal scaffold
Yeah i did find it hard to aim it correctly
proven osprey
yeah
tidal scaffold
But i heard poseidon has bad dmg
proven osprey
that's not true
proven osprey
it's less than Crush Shot but it's a top cast anyway
tidal scaffold
Its funny how Crush shot has such a small range, but beowulf breaks it just like that :D
tidal scaffold
Yeah, i also used hera a couple of times but i find it hard to aim after dashing, maybe i will try more at some point
Ok so...Attack-Doom
Special-hangover (or artemis idk)
Cast-Poseidon
Dash-Athena
And a dash or 2 bonus
Tartarus and Asphodel with chaos egg, acorn on elysium and tooth on styx
tame bison
Is this for Beowulf? Dio special doesn’t do anything for you. You’d want Artemis to open up Mirage Shot duo with Poseidon
Unsure why chaos egg if you’re intending on getting specific god boons?
tidal scaffold
Yeah i wrote there Cast-poseidon
I dont go for specific ones, there is a chance i could get a hammer
tidal scaffold
What should i choose then? Im open to suggestions
Hmm maybe hammer early on is not that important...
fair locust
you usually get it by early asphodel
i like to use coin purse mixed with the 15% investment mirror perk
and in runs where i dont care about money i just use god keepsakes
rarity always helps
tidal scaffold
Maybe i would go for poseidon then, could get cast from the start
tidal scaffold
My runs tend to be slow recently, wouldnt mind a change of pace
fair locust
probably my most used now
tidal scaffold
Whats it do?
fair locust
have you completed 10 runs?
tidal scaffold
No :)
tame bison
You always get 1 hammer in Tartarus or it’s offered early asphodel. And then 1 in Elysium
It’s not random.
tidal scaffold
I know i observed
fair locust
||its a keepsake from persephone, available later on. upgrades a random boon by 1 level every 6/5/4 encounters||
tidal scaffold
Guess i didnt think about it that much
fair locust
also works in all styx chambers :)))
super handy
but yeah you only get it much later
fair locust
considering there are almost 70 rooms
its a little more than that
but yeah
favourite keepsake by far
fair locust
whats that? defiance?
tidal scaffold
Yea
fair locust
i used it till my first run but i got more confident after that
faint sluice
guys quick, what cast pairs well with hera bow
tidal scaffold
Heh lol i did too, the difference is i died anyways
fair locust
plus i tend to just pick a random aspect for whatever weapon gives me extra darkness and go make a build
tidal scaffold
guys quick, what cast pairs well with hera bow
Usually used poseidon if i wanted enemies to go away from me
fair locust
so pom blossom is good since i dont use the gods unless i really have something specific in mind
faint sluice
Usually used poseidon if i wanted enemies to go away from me
hmmm worth a go
fair locust
is hera the loading one?
tidal scaffold
And I guess mirage shot with it since its such a good combo
tidal scaffold
is hera the loading one?
Yeah, but the load is basically faster than on wulf
fair locust
i dont know for best, but funniest would be festive fog for the instant high area damage lol
tame bison
Hera bow: Poseidon/aphro/Athena are my favorites
tidal scaffold
You could also go for Artemis if you want safe dmg
tame bison
You can do festive fog, but you want to run Stygian soul and find bonus casts from Chaos so it’s more finicky by a lot
tidal scaffold
Anyways, im sleepy good bye guys
fair locust
haven't actually used hera bow yet, very new to cast builds
used poseidon and beowulf to get me into it
tame bison
You can actually load casts while charging up your shots. It’s a little tricky but it’s the fastest probably. Or load whole running around etc.
fair locust
with the shield you can do it at the very end of the bash lol its hilarious
tame bison
Hera is more button pressing than most imo
fair locust
mfw magnetic cutter and maim
made the mistake of making builds with poseidon on those two
serene zealot
guys quick, what cast pairs well with hera bow
Late, but:
Aphrodite cast works quite well, you don’t need to worry about the short range.
Poseidon cast is good too, but keep in mind the knockback.
Athena cast is good, no worries about it being slow.
Dionysus cast is great burst damage, but it doesn’t drop the cast stone right away if you’re using Infernal Soul.
Artemis cast and Zeus cast are useful, but can bounce to other targets, which may make picking the stones back up harder.
I haven’t tried Ares cast yet, so not sure how it works, but avoid Demeter cast if possible. It’s very weird, since it drops the laser on the enemy you hit, firing in the direction you shot.
serene zealot
made the mistake of making builds with poseidon on those two
Aw, come on, Poseidon special on Talos is funny at least. Can be good for wall slams tbh.
cosmic lily
Anyone else get disapointed when you found out that divine strike on the sheild doesnt make you reflect when gaurding with the sheild?
tranquil falcon
my greatest achievment in this game is beating charon in tartarus with no DDs lost
wraith grotto
my greatest achievment in this game is beating charon in tartarus with no DDs lo...
Charon is a boss?!
wraith grotto
What the fuuuuuuggggggggg
tranquil falcon
permanant meaning only in that run*
wraith grotto
oh lol
tranquil falcon
he is INCREDIBLY hard
tranquil falcon
there should be a money bag that shows up sometimes
and it says "Borrow 300 gold"
and when you interact it sends you into the fight
wraith grotto
Oh, I've never taken the loan out of fear of what it would do lol.
wraith grotto
I will have to do that next time I see it. Do you know if the run time gets frozen in that fight like with Thanatos/Survival sections?
wraith grotto
Ah then maybe not worth it.
20% reduced costs is really big though. hmmm
I see players with green mirror upgrades. How do I go from purple to green?
rare kindle
You need to talk with nyx first
I’m not sure how exactly you get the requirements but I think it involves doing a certain number of runs and unlocking full mirror
tranquil falcon
what tf
i have
i'm
this game
i hate
i've rolled poseidon 7 times
with unshakable mettle, mirage shot, AND sea storm all available
and none have gotten offered
i have the duo boon mirror on
AND i did it with his keepsake
plain prairie
unepic
rare kindle
You didn’t do it in a trial, did you?
rare kindle
Can’t get duos in trials
rare kindle
This sort of thing is why I take pride and hope I luck into duos anyway
plain prairie
meh imo rarity bonus isn’t as impactful as certain duos
tranquil falcon
i mean a lot of my builds are completely focused around duos
or at least mostly
specifically the cast builds
vagrant maple
just a heads up, the way duo chances work is that more duos does not mean higher chance of getting them -- it rolls to see if you get a duo, then if you do it rolls to see what duo it is
so more duos available is not always good
tranquil falcon
oh alright
vagrant maple
when I run beo for example (see nickname lmao) I try not to get prereqs for many other than mirage
but yeah 7 rolls no duos is rough
god's pride vs legacy is very weapon dependent. Most want pride imo
tranquil falcon
aaand i got greater recall instantly saved run
easy
but yeah very weapon dependent
also you know how i said i rolled poseidon all those times with no duo
i got 3 artemis boons, rolled all of them, and no mirage shot
or even like lightning rod
honestly i'm considering just equipping poseidon keepsake for styx
because this game hates me
nahhh
i wanna get first em4 win on sword
AND OF COURSE
OF COURSE THE 3 BOONS I'VE BEEN CHASING
ALL GET OFFERED AT ONCE
NO WAIT
WHY DID I TAKE MIRAGE SHOT
I"M STUPID
THERES A POSEIDON DOOR
i'm so dumb
i should have taken lightning rod or exit
rare kindle
I don’t think you get to see the doors until after you’ve chosen
tranquil falcon
you know what it doesnt matter this beats big dad
tranquil falcon
I don’t think you get to see the doors until after you’ve chosen
styx
rare kindle
oh
rocky island
get him!
rare kindle
wow, that late
tranquil falcon
this beats em4 unless i just like lose my mouse or something
now the question is if i take exit wounds or lightning rod
ehhhh it's poseidon i take exit wounds
tranquil falcon
EPIC QUICK RELOAD IN STYX
this run was very dead before that
ez game now
i swear
whenever i take acorn i get doomstone+butterfly ball
whenever i take tooth i get boulder thingy
i never win
stable sigil
Any recs for a poseidon run?
stable sigil
I meant aspect but i realized i wanted to do a zag sword run instead lol
I'm going for thunder strike/flurry attack
flat garden
go with lambent plume to rack up movement speed lulw
i tried that and died on hades because i wasnt used to the zoom
rapid storm
who do i talk to for secret aspect of stygius
vagrant maple
skelly I think? Not 100% sure
rapid storm
Also when upgrading stygius aspect zag u get +3% right?
vagrant maple
wait do you mean the secret aspect
rapid storm
no the first aspect for sword u get +3% right?
patent pewter
yes 3%
rapid storm
ok so i need 2 more titan blood
vagrant maple
do you have guan yu?
rapid storm
ye
vagrant maple
then just make sure you've spent at least 5 blood in sword aspects, and talk to nyx every run
rapid storm
ik
I just finished a run and i was using zag exagryph and hades was like 4 or 5 specials away from getting killed
devout trellis
What are some good duo boon on nemesis
turbid needle
Heart Rend might just be the single strongest boon for Nemesis.
That being said, it requires you to stay in melee range for optimal DPS, so looking into defensive boons is also a good idea.
limber cloak
merciful end nemesis also works
turbid needle
I wanna believe, but I think if you've got that seed you're just better off utilizing it with Zag Malphon.
I've had the dream combo of Hyper Sprint and Rush Delivery exactly once on a 32 Heat Hell Mode clear and it's so obviously busted to me I'm just a little shocked it made it to 1.0.
Even the dozen or so clears in which I've failed to recreate that combo makes me convinced it's broken and should be patched out.
I'm pretty sure I remember a number of Haelian's attempts where he's looked for that exact combo. You get Epic Rush Delivery, you've almost got a permanent Hades' Aid.
limber cloak
rush delivery is pretty busted yeah. they should probably make hyper sprint's movement speed increase with rarity, so that common HS isnt as good
but then again, game's already released now. boon balance changes are pretty unlikely
cunning urchin
"Broken" is intended sometimes. You're supposed to have those godly runs where everything goes perfect, sometimes.
formal fjord
Returning player here, played last summer mostly so before 1.0. Is there like a guide or so that goes over good builds or is everything still viable?
willow haven
yeah everything is still viable, may not be fun or optimal but viable
formal fjord
Alright, what are some stuff that is fun and/or optimal then?
Iirc i maxed out mirror and had all aspects unlocked unless they added more
willow haven
for speedrunning eris rail with zeus attack and artemis special with poseidon dash
for fun builds include hera/beo with dio cast or aphro cast
ME fists
super soaker lucifer if you want a challenging fun run
formal fjord
My go to used to be hera/beo with dio+zeus/demeter cast
willow haven
full crit zag bow or nemesis
i see, you can try zeus hera with rechargable cast
was bonkers
formal fjord
Thanks :)
willow haven
npnp
turbid needle
Gonna try to get mirage + blizzard shot with beowulf
Again i might be wrong and it will suck but i gotta try it
honest wing
sorry to bring you this news, but you can't blizzard shot with beowulf
turbid needle
Goood to know cause i havent got demeter yet
Ill just try for mirage shot
Speak of the devil i just got demeter with epic rare crop and have exactly 3 boons :3
honest wing
yoo seeking fire or explosive fire with hestia
I think seeking is better
because more damage and auto targetting
but explosive could be like big boom shots area clear
pls tell
willow haven
but explosive could be like big boom shots area clear
yeah this
honest wing
I died
willow haven
the shot effects all
honest wing
in tartarus
willow haven
lol
honest wing
I was doing almost 1k crits in tartarus with fiery presence
but like
chaos messed me over
dammit chaos I trusted you
willow haven
need to keep your distance
devout trellis
What are some good builds on talos?
sonic ember
Probably mirage shot or sea storm build
both seem like they could be really good
there's a really weird hammer upgrade for Malphon that I cant wrap my head around
flying kick
does it just look different???
flat garden
flying kick is like dash nova but somehow worse for me
willow haven
What are some good builds on talos?
like the build maestro aurash said, talos with heavy knuckle and build it just like nemesis
limber cloak
more reasons not to take em3 unless youre doing 20+ heat lol
jovial fulcrum
I walked in with 3 DDs and full hp lmao. Asterius just had my number though
willow haven
aspect of zeus was pretty nutty
sonic ember
you mostly have to be patient cuz they have more HP.. i think
jovial fulcrum
granted it was only like 180 max hp but
sonic ember
aspect of zeus was pretty nutty
preach
limber cloak
i love zeus aspect
willow haven
i used to just throw it out and run around before but it was trash
limber cloak
especially with something like heartrend or zeus special
willow haven
now i just keep it near me
sonic ember
i just use lightning flourish with zeus shield
willow haven
it was very good with the explosion on return thingy
yeah
i kept recalling it after 2-3 ticks and it was pretty awesome
sonic ember
whats the name of that hammer that does damage when you catch a shield?
sonic ember
yesss
if we do that with chaos shield
does it only explode once or?
once for each shield?
willow haven
yeah just once
sonic ember
damnn
willow haven
yep, would've been pretty nutty if it worked like that
honest wing
I took the anvil on arthur aspect swor
it gave me cursed slash
fml
I didn't even get heart rend o
and I thought I could get deadly reversal with just divine das
at least I'm still dropping 2k crits
does changin your aspect change the seed
does spending titan's blood change the see
zag aspect with arte attack and spread fire is a thing right
honest wing
it's fine I had spread fire as my first hammer so I went back real quick change the weapon and stayed on the same seed
what do I pair it with
splash dash?
heartbreak flourish?
guysguysguysguysguys
is explosive fire good with spread fire
or should I take triple bomb
or hazard bomb
pls
someone
help
I'm genuinely confused af rn
jovial fulcrum
til Marked Target counts as a status for Privileged
honest wing
it us
willow haven
yeah
willow haven
is explosive fire good with spread fire
nah
willow haven
now you know
honest wing
I didn't even use the special a lot of since I didn't get heart rend
so it doesn't matter
willow haven
easy
willow haven
f
flat garden
whats the easiest build to do talentless
ive been trying a lot of stuff and none of them work beyond asphodel
willow haven
probably merciful end
flat garden
i did lmao
willow haven
flat garden
i just kept getting hit
i didnt get divine dash which i think would make it a lot better
flat garden
with what aspect?
limber cloak
wouldnt a ranged weapon be good for mirrorless?
since you have no dds and 50 starting health
slim lynx
with what aspect?
demeter 
cloud vault
Hestia and Arthur are good for mirrorless IMO
Oh and Zeus
At worst, throw shield and block
willow haven
whip as a weapon when
jovial fulcrum
some one will have to mod it in
drifting robin
wouldnt a ranged weapon be good for mirrorless?
Hestia
twin shell
Hey I can't find a clear answer anywhere, does anyone know how to get these aspect on the heart seeking bow?
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask
cunning urchin
Aphrodite Valentine's Request
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Conditions:
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Keepsake: Your favorite
Pacts: Your favorite
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pale kayak
coral cave
That's nice
pastel jolt
gleaming current
but where is the obligatory "heartbreak strike or perish" condition?
ripe flume
Pog
slim lynx
❗
patent pewter
reason of death: dehydration
digital lion
coral cave
Can I dedicate them to myself
cunning urchin
Good luck! 
cunning urchin
Can I dedicate them to myself
Follow your heart. 
lucid ferry
Dedicate your run to artemis
patent pewter
vouch
drifting robin
Epic
slim lynx
i'm gonna do an aphro only run and then dedicate it to someone i don't like
cunning urchin
coral cave
Now you've pissed off nyaa
rustic linden
i fight for my friends
coral cave
Good job
cunning urchin
Hey I can't find a clear answer anywhere, does anyone know how to get these aspe...
Requirements for the hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion.
drifting jungle
Oh noooo
slim lynx
now i'm wondering how athena is one of aphro's "foes" but as soon as i get the prerequisites for parting kiss they both cram it down my throat until i finally take it
cunning urchin
Rude.
slim lynx
literally
every time no matter what i do parting shot is not the only duo boon that i am ALWAYS offered but it almost never even fits into my build
jovial fulcrum
I'm somewhat confused, do you pick the keepsake/pacts/weapons or does the person you're dedicating it to do that
willow haven
I'm somewhat confused, do you pick the keepsake/pacts/weapons or does the person...
you pick them
jovial fulcrum
i c
cunning urchin
You can pick anything you like. If you want to, you can let them pick those for you.
jovial fulcrum
I wonder how many people are going to do Artemis Boon Only runs for @coral cave
willow haven
huh
coral cave
A solid zero I'd say
willow haven
same
faint sluice
Killing theseus at the same time he throws the spear
whoah, now that i get a good look at the spear it looks pretty cool
also heres a question: does anybody actually use the really garbage casts like athena and ares? those two might just be the worst casts in the game imo
slim lynx
that's a spicy hot take if i've seen one ever
jovial fulcrum
Athena isn't bad, there's just better
slim lynx
lightning phalanx is great
jovial fulcrum
if you get the Athena/Zeus duo then pahalanx is
slim lynx
hunting blades is amazing
slim lynx
and just phalanx shot is already quite good
jovial fulcrum
Phalanx shot is a nice cast to slot in when you're not focusing on casts i find
w/ Lightning Phalanx it becomes a good cast to build around
especially w/ cool down bloodstones
woven crater
Hunting blades is one of the strongest high-roll builds in the game, suffering from everything that a high roll does in that regard, but I wouldn’t say it’s garbage on its own either
coral cave
That guy always has some takes that are just a dumpster fire lol
slim lynx
hunting blades on its own is already very powerful
jovial fulcrum
Hunting Blades w/ vicious cycle is 
slim lynx
i've never gotten dem/ares + hunting blades, seems like a very nice synergy
jovial fulcrum
if you can somehow sauce in mirage shot
faint sluice
w/ Lightning Phalanx it becomes a good cast to build around
lightning phalanx is a duo right?
faint sluice
ah
coral cave
I thought the emote is used to represent like boring or bad stuff
slim lynx
doe vicious cycle apply to mirage shot?
jovial fulcrum
it makes the phalanx shot bounce around
faint sluice
no thats like a nut face
jovial fulcrum
i think so?
faint sluice
its a face of like bliss I like to imagine