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#h1-builds-and-combat
cloud vault
Chiron can do it, Hera
Zag rail and Eris i guess
Drunken dash is pretty good tbh
slim lynx
if you want black out then use beo and build around trippy shot
stygian soul works best because you don't have to wait for the fog to subside to use your cast
wheat coral
What is the general consensus on the skulls during the final boss? Do you destroy them or just dodge the shockwave?
slim lynx
depends on how far away they are
kind finch
i usually dodge them or kill them when ||the boss is invisible||
arctic leaf
I usually opt for the dodge but will occasionally try to include them in AoE, chain attacks, or when I have a second or need to clear out a fox hole for the hades light show.
slim lynx
it's convenient that they destroy the pots though, i might spare them so they can do that
or i can just kill them immediately using hades' aid lol
drifting robin
What is the general consensus on the skulls during the final boss? Do you destro...
Dash through them
willow haven
What is the general consensus on the skulls during the final boss? Do you destro...
both works, speed runners don't focus on them because it's an easy dodge
drifting robin
Yeah when you dash you have a few invincibility frames
If you dash through them you wont take any damage
proven osprey
As the heat rises, you must destroy them
drifting robin
I wouldnt prioritize destroying them but if you have some free time then yeah definitely
slim lynx
what's with the aura the skulls have on em4? is it like the pullers on bp?
honest wing
is kinetic launcher good with dem fists arty special
sonic ember
so I ran gilgamesh with deadly strike. and for some reason, still didnt get heart rend
it doesn't exactly feel the best
sonic ember
my luck with heart rend sucks
sonic ember
is kinetic launcher good with dem fists arty special
kinetic launcher is the best hammer upgrade
proven osprey
Explosive upper is better on Demeter
sonic ember
eh, never liked explosive upper
i can pretty much one shot boss phases with kinetic launcher, there's no reason not to get it
proven osprey
takes a bit of practice, must be used with a dash upper to cancel the end lag
opal lodge
explosive upper is extremely good
proven osprey
and boom
slim lynx
explosive upper is definitely stronger but kinetic is more enjoyable to use because you can just unload your entire shot on a boss and their health disappears
opal lodge
it and breaching cross are the two s tier hammers for dem fists
slim lynx
breaching cross is an s tier hammer in general
opal lodge
i dont know if i put it in S for gilga
but its pretty good
and s tier on the other 3 for sure
slim lynx
some of the other armor-breaker hammers feel unnecessary when your damage output is already so high but breaching cross is the one case where it's always a top pick
tranquil falcon
infinite dionysus lucifer triple beam
my strat is to hold down attack and spin in a circle
also dio is refusing to give me bad influence
also also epic after party
NOOO
i got bad influence
but he's also offering low tolerance
i really want bad influence
but i ahve to take low tolerance
it was a 94% bad influence
104 hangover damage
with curse of nausea
bright fossil
i thought the slow would help enemies stay insinde the zone more
but i can see the delay is a big draw back yeah
so i guess not,
tranquil falcon
epic quick favour
smouldering air
poseidon call
rip current
billowing strength
this turned from a zeus cast build to splashy zoomy
the final hermes determined everything
if i got greater recall i would stick to casting
if i got quick favour i would spam call
also sea storm
that's worth mentioning too
i tried to go for mirage shot
but didn't get it
i also didn't get lightning rod
i could have
so guess i'm just splashy zoomy
also an epic breaking wave
rancid yoke
Guys, how to find legendary chaos boon?
proven osprey
The requirement is another chaos boon
half crater
nah it’s just very rare
half crater
way harder to get than any other boon
cloud vault
Make sure you have legacy talent to help
tranquil falcon
what does hoarding slash scale with
nothing?
i'm specifically asking about battle rage
and also the shacke
shackle
tranquil falcon
rip
rare kindle
the damage is added at the end, so stuff like crits can't apply to your hoarding slash damage
tranquil falcon
now the real question is if i sell battle rage now or wait to see if i get oceans bounty
cunning urchin
Why do you want to sell it?
tranquil falcon
because max gold funny run
also
it's just the regular attack right?
so like not the dash strike?
or does the dash strike also get the damage bonus
cunning urchin
Dash-Attacks and Dash-Specials get the damage bonus, yes.
tranquil falcon
oh
well double strike is gonna be broken with this then
wait are you talking about battle rage or hoarding slash
i'm asking about hoarding slash not battle rage
cunning urchin
Battle Rage.
cunning urchin
Hoarding Slash applies to Dash-Attacks.
tranquil falcon
not bounty
cunning urchin
I don't know how it interacts with Double Edge.
tranquil falcon
i'm assuming it'd work
since it's not doubled damage, it's specifically that it hits twice
nooooo
no side hustle
tranquil falcon
i mean any money is good
tranquil falcon
the main reason i'm doing the run is for the blood reflections prophecy
i needed an excuse to use firey presence, midas touch thingy, and fated authority
but that also means i'm using stubborn defiance
so i had to skip the rest of the styx chambers
because if i didn't then touch of styx dark would run out
and i don't think i would win if it did
misty yoke
if i charge up my shot with the bow does this still count as a dash strike ?
forest marsh
As long as it starts charging right after a dash, yes
misty yoke
yes i am pressing the button right after a dash
forest marsh
The "dash-strike" of the bow just makes the shot charge faster for slightly reduced damage
misty yoke
is it worth it to take this from chaos even though i am using chiron aspect ?
its epic
forest marsh
Depends on the other options and how you play. I use dash strikes with bow almost exclusively so I'd probably take it
forest marsh
misty yoke
tyvm!
plush fog
do most people use golden touch or deep pockets?
slim lynx
golden touch for runs where they intend to farm meta currencies or whatever
deep pockets otherwise
forest marsh
If you're doing a Hoarding Slash meme run, Golden Touch is fun
Ok, all aspects have now been represented in the Barrel Roll challenge! Hurray!
Who's going to be the lucky barrel roller to get the 32 
milestone?
worn crypt
Thinkin' bout that faster 31
forest marsh
Wouldn't be hard, I got 5-sacked
Luckily I had full DDs and 365 health to soak up the TD damage
slim lynx
it's 3:42 am and i really wanna get that sweet 32 heat
screw it, i'll just take a nap and hope nobody does it within like uhh
12 hours
sonic ember
does stygian soul ruin the chances of getting rush delivery?
forest marsh
No
forest marsh
It has a prerequisite of needing a movement speed increase effect before it will show up
sonic ember
i had both speed up and greater haste
sonic ember
yes.
forest marsh
If you want the best chance of getting it I'd try doing some Plume runs (if you aren't already)
worn crypt
Whoops. Didn't take a proper victory screenshot
sonic ember
does the plume help?
forest marsh
Yes, because it gives bonus move speed so you don't have to take a Hermes boon prior to being eligible for Rush Delivery
That means you have 2-3 chances per run to get it instead of 1-2
sonic ember
just got it after losing my previous run lmao
misty yoke
sooo, for styx. what are the chances after the 1st room to get the sack ? do they chances of getting it increase with each door ?
cloud vault
I'm happy how this is turning out 😁
sonic ember
sooo, for styx. what are the chances after the 1st room to get the sack ? do the...
as far as I can tell.. 0
cloud vault
Community challenge is so gewd
It's 0 for 1st, about 50% for 2nd
I forget the details but it's 5 or less % for 5 sack.
misty yoke
also, i cant really tell any differences between elite doors and normal ones.
the encounters are not easier or harder
misty yoke
as long as i dont get these spitting dudes i am ok with it
sonic ember
they're usually faster
misty yoke
i see. whats the "safer" way, elite doors or normal ones ?
forest marsh
Yeah, it's "best practice" to take the elite tunnels in Styx
sonic ember
honestly? elite doors
misty yoke
i see. tyvm!
sonic ember
i hate normal doors with a passion lmao
forest marsh
Single wave of enemies and smaller more manageable rooms means less time spent in the encounter and less chance to take damage
The regular tunnel end rooms are usually huge, enemies are very spread out, plus 3 waves
misty yoke
interesting. what is the chance to face the vermin boss ?
forest marsh
Unsure, but it's not very common
sonic ember
pretty rare yeah
misty yoke
with bow i am just sticking on the other side shooting him
forest marsh
Plus if you take the elite tunnels first, there's a good chance you'll only have to fight a single miniboss since 2 sacks are quite common
sonic ember
2 sack is getting a sack on your second tunnel
misty yoke
oh. sorry. understood
forest marsh
Sorry, my bad for using short hand
proven osprey
Unsure, but it's not very common
Oh really
warped stag
I didnt know you could find a satyr sack on an elite door
I thought they are guaranteed to have a miniboss instead
obsidian kite
nah that's why if there's an elite door I want to take, always take it 2nd, b/c there's a chance you might skip the boss
uhh there's a Price of Midas in this Charon's well and I can buy 0 obols for 30 health
austere tiger
Yeah, so go for rewards rather than anything else. I think personally that mini-bosses with no extra enemies from heat are easier than normal rooms
forest marsh
Sounds like you have a Chaos curse SomethingSharp
sonic ember
I didnt know you could find a satyr sack on an elite door
ya can find it anywhere
proven osprey
@faint flax Lmao that 33 build is siiiick
the special exchange, chaos, ME, skewer
wow
only missing hyper delivery
obsidian kite
Sounds like you have a Chaos curse SomethingSharp
oh woops you're right I forgot about it lol
jovial fulcrum
Unsure, but it's not very common
i got it 3 runs in a row 😔
brazen nest
Achilles with poseidon cast?
proven lintel
flat garden
ty. that was a very lucky run.
proven osprey
tbh
FO2 EM3 FO2 malphon is tough
the dodge is good but the rest of your build is kinda clunky
flat garden
it really was.
i was just focused on getting as much dodge chances as possible and didnt think twice about the boon synergy
plush fog
any tips on how to get the call against olympian in greater trial achievement?
I figured it would happen naturally, but I have like 120 hours and I still haven't done it
proven osprey
I just waited with Quick favor, my aspect was bad at building call and the enemies died too fast. You can also go for boiling point (poseidon) and tank some damage
faint flax
misty yoke
question about chiron bow build. should i only focus on special or also on normal attack ?
plush fog
I do both
misty yoke
so for example, special is already very high and attack pretty low
plush fog
focus more on special, but the attack is nice as well imo
misty yoke
are you trying to keep them both at the same level ?
proven osprey
Not really
proven osprey
Eternal rose heartbreak strike then deadly flourish or drunken flourish
misty yoke
i had a dio, ares build
proven osprey
if drunken flourish, all the poms in dio special
proven osprey
Would be low tolerance yes
plush fog
thats my personal favorite
also if you can add ares for the ares/dio duo bbon its very good
you need curse of vengence from Ares tho
misty yoke
curse of nausea ?
plush fog
yeah I believe that's what it is called
misty yoke
interesting, but with curse of vengeance then, i see
plush fog
yeah. When I figured that out I thought it would be difficult to get curse of vengence, but I can get it almost every run with some luck
misty yoke
i find the hera bow also strong but running around for the casts makes me nervous sometimes
proven osprey
why do you want curse of vengeance?
misty yoke
oh that is ares normal attack right ?
proven osprey
yes
misty yoke
hm, should work too i guess
proven osprey
inconsistent imo
stable sigil
I'm looking to do a stygius run. Any recs for builds?
proven osprey
Zag aspect I assume?
stable sigil
Any aspect
jovial fulcrum
Arty/Aphro w/ Nemesis is fun, lots of big numbers all around
stable sigil
Hmmmm love me some Big Numbers
proven osprey
yeah, get double edge and you're set. Also, hunter dash
jovial fulcrum
Aphro Flourish into Arty Attack. Pick up Heart Rend if you're lucky
proven osprey
Start with arty tho
jovial fulcrum
ye
stable sigil
Artemis/Aphrodite is so fun for like 90% of weapons
I don't think ive tried it with sword tho
proven osprey
yeah crit is the only thing scaling so
jovial fulcrum
I did it with base level Nem the other day
proven osprey
level 3 would be nice
jovial fulcrum
still worked out. 30% crit on the attack was good
Nem bases + Arty attack
I was getting 2100 backstabs on Hades by the end of it
stable sigil
Spicy
lucid moth
what build should i use for chiron?
plush fog
what build should i use for chiron?
scroll up a bit
plush fog
np! lmk if you have other questions!
plush fog
idk. I haven't used it yet
lucid moth
oh ok lol
plush fog
the hammer that makes bull rush turn in to a shot appears to be very good from what I have seen
proven osprey
You want the meta build for speedruns?
lucid moth
sure
proven osprey
Flood flare, Deadly strike, aim for mirage shot. Charged shot best hammer
lucid moth
why charged shot it takes too long to get a charged shot right
proven osprey
nah it's amazing damage and it scales with arty too
lucid moth
oh ok
proven osprey
80 base will crit + the cast explosion, just goes boom
You'll aim to get your enemies stacked then dash strike, bullrush repeat
lucid moth
also stygian or infernal soul?
proven osprey
Infernal
lucid moth
makes sense
proven osprey
Poseidon is great aoe and damage
lucid moth
and how should i attack?
proven osprey
you'll dash strike, mostly to get the bullrush going
lucid moth
k
i have a small question, if i have athena attack on shield, will the block mechanic also deflect?
proven osprey
Well the block is not an attack afaik
lucid moth
ok
proven osprey
but bullrush yeah sure
lucid moth
now that you tell me that, a cool aspect could be aspect of athena where the block mechanic can deflect
and as you upgrade it, the deflected shots do more damage
it would only be good for beginners tho
cuz ur not gonna really use the block mechanic later on in the game
proven osprey
Idk if it counts as blocking
But you won't get hit while it lasts
which is super strong
lucid moth
k
lucid moth
does night spindle only work if you have 4 or less companion uses?
lucid moth
oh cuz i just bought it but it did nothing :(((
and i hadnt used a single companion that run
prob just a small glitch its ok
craggy rapids
It's kind of a shame we didn't get more re-balance changes in the last patch. Poseidon still worst God.
plush fog
tidal dash tho
austere tiger
I think if they just nerfed or changed Sea Storm duo with Zeus then they could do a lot more
craggy rapids
I hate how he has like 3 boons that only amount to getting darkness and gems. Like...how wants gems? I'm drowning in the things.
craggy rapids
Sure, but once you've maxed all that suddenly those abilities become completely worthless. Makes a build with him even harder than it would be otherwise
plush fog
okay yeah fair enough maybe he isn't as good late game, but for non-late game, the majority of players imo, he is good
forest marsh
If you're a completionist you need over 360k Darkness before you run out of things to spend it on, so it can be nice to have boosts to the rate they are gained
jovial fulcrum
Posiden's non loot abilities seem good tbh
His dash and cast have performed pretty well for me.
The slam damage one too.
oh, and shoals
forest marsh
I enjoy Poseidon dash and cast in the right contexts
jovial fulcrum
He's got some nice Duos too. Mirage Shot is great, Seas Storm seems good.
Exclusive Access if you get it early enough.
forest marsh
Yeah. Sweet Nectar can also be nice
misty yoke
battie cant be used against the furries according to wiki ? i believe i used battie against them.
forest marsh
Shouldn't be able to use it
flat garden
you can't. i've tried multiple times by accident.
you should be able to. i think it would be hilarious.
jovial fulcrum
The game has decided I shall have no AOE cast this run
At shop before hydra. I've seen posiden once and he didnt give me flood shot lol
on the bright side, Epic arty cast now
w/ Hera bow
So delete one specific enemy at a time lol
10 arty casts on screen kills Thesus pretty well.
5 stones plus Mirage
forest marsh
half crater
trippy shot hera good yeah
go straight for scint feast; ice wine isn't worth it on hera
willow haven
alrighty
willow haven
damn poseidon aspect should like reset the cooldown for rechargable cast
or would that be too much 
flat garden
would make auto reload worthless
flat garden
what did you think i meant lol
willow haven
that only makes rechargable cast on poseidon aspect worthless no?
flat garden
oh, nevermind
willow haven
i was talking about stygian soul
flat garden
does poseidon special with stygian soul at least grant exit wounds damage
willow haven
i guess it does yeah
willow haven
would be pretty neat if special reset styg soul
mild aurora
Just unlocked the railgun, is it any good?
jovial fulcrum
Second Wave vs Typhoon's Fury vs Sea Storm
@.@
Took Second Wave as a fated choice.
With Demeter knuckles and a Posiden flourish its like a pinball machine up here in styx
flat garden
AP1 bamboozled two instances of explosive upper from me 🙄
neon bramble
Sea storm is great
limber cloak
In general, duos are better than most leggos
neon bramble
Splitting bolt laughs at that statement...
As does Unhealthy Fixation
gusty rapids
v i c i o u s
c y c l e
neon bramble
Actually, every legendary is pretty solid with the right weapon/build
leaden bay
Second Wave seems awesome on super soaker builds.
neon bramble
Second wave w/tempest strike and long knuckle is hilarious
leaden bay
Does it interact with Wave Pounding?
neon bramble
Also funny on Rama with tempest flourish
neon bramble
Does it interact with Wave Pounding?
Yes
limber cloak
Ares leggo is meh without hunting blades anyway
Splitting bolt is decent
Though i still hate charm
neon bramble
Ares leggo is meh without hunting blades anyway
Blade dash says otherwise
As does ares call
limber cloak
What would ares leggo even do with blade dash, it lasts like half a second, you'll only get like 4 hits before it decays
its decent with ares call i guess
neon bramble
What would ares leggo even do with blade dash, it lasts like half a second, you'...
Engulfing vortex
With extra dashes
Trust me
limber cloak
But then again, unless you're doing a call build, its just a supplement, rather than a thing that changes your entire build
limber cloak
Engulfing vortex
Thats like +0.2 more seconds lol
neon bramble
Gilgamesh + blade dash is funny
limber cloak
Oh yeah, that is fun
neon bramble
Everyone thinks Athena legendary is meh, but combine it with broken spear tip, and you're laughing
flat garden
aphro and dem gave their first duo conversation with me, and AP1 blocks me from getting it
eh, it's not like cold embrace is even good
...i still took it after rerolling
limber cloak
why are you doing meme beam with ap1 lmao
dense remnant
what's a leggo?
limber cloak
legendary
dense remnant
makes sense
leaden bay
Mispelled Lego.
devout trellis
What are some good combo with Poseidon aspect Zeus cast build?
For additional damage in late game
Since Zeus cast falls off in later level
proven osprey
Jolted/exit wounds/deadly strike
cloud vault
Splitting bolt
royal pier
i got my first ||two hidden aspects! i didn't know anything about them prior so when i got the dialogue for the guan yu varatha aspect and the arthur stygius aspect i was very surprised||
it was fun to work on positioning with guan yu and the arthur sword is super powerful
slim lynx
hidden shield is super fun and imo the most powerful shield aspect by far
vale imp
limber cloak
@royal pier that's great! I'd recommend that you don't use guan yu until you have it maxed out. Arthur is powerful though, yeah
royal pier
guan yu was a little hard in some areas, but the runs i cleared with it felt satisfying
limber cloak
It's also usually advisable to use the special often on guan yu, since the base attack is too slow
limber cloak
If you get charged skewer (the hammer) id recommend you to just spam special all the time, while spinning in between waves to regain a bit of health
royal pier
i'm not sure how to trigger getting the other weapons' hidden aspects
limber cloak
There's a guide pinned in #h1-story-discussion if you wanna know
royal pier
i think i heard that enough ||convos with asterius trigger the malphon ones||
limber cloak
Though, in general, it happens by just talking to other characters and spending titans blood on all your weapon aspects
limber cloak
i think i heard that enough ||convos with asterius trigger the malphon ones||
Yep, you also need to ||invest 5 titans blood in any of the non zag aspects of the fists to trigger it||
royal pier
ah okay, ||in my early game i tried out a lot of different weapons so most already have five titan blood overall, it seems it'll just be a matter of having them equipped before talking to the specific person||
thank you for the info!
limber cloak
👍
devout trellis
Hmmm, Zeus cast really falls off when fighting hades
Can’t get good boons, ended up ticking him
devout trellis
sonic ember
..and proceed to die to em4 hades phase 1
flat garden
you'll get em next time
slim lynx
why would you do em4 at 32 heat
devout trellis
Was it?
sonic ember
..sorta
stiff igloo
is there a good dionysus build that dosent invovle his cast or chiron?
i can't realy think of any
half crater
you can also put it on rail’s attack (not as good as zeus, but okay) or rama’s special (generally you’ll still want a good attack boon tho)
slim lynx
i'd like to see someone make an effective build out of drunken flourish on rama
slim lynx
except for when you exclusively use it
half crater
oh fair lol
sounds kinda fun
i’d barrel-roll someone with that but i’m at the top rn
quick someone beat me so i can beat them
honest wing
what's barrel roll
robust anchor
pinned
cunning urchin
Our new challenge. Check pins. 
sonic ember
yeaaah
maybe ill do 32 heat another time
i keep getting insanely unlucky with hermes
robust anchor
:(
cunning urchin
Or perhaps you're betting too much on luck.
Maybe try some other pacts or rethink your build.
Or your strategies for encounters that give you trouble.
willow haven
any fun zeus aspect builds or is it just limited to zeus 
slim lynx
apparently arty works
though considering zeus does 30 per hit at max i guess i can see how that would work
willow haven
half crater
yeah arty good according to Baj, our resident zeus shield expert
half crater
i haven’t actually done the build myself
willow haven
it's a pepega aspect
half crater
i’d assume aphro on attack for heart rend tho
half crater
oh merciful end is also really good on it
cunning urchin
Baj has quit Hades (or at the very least taken a break). But if you search from Baj#1317 you'll find a whole lot of good info on Zeus Aspect. You can also find his runs on the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
willow haven
it's good on everything 
half crater
ares special, athena attack+dash
heady radish
Baj also had a very good any heat time with a heart rend zeus shield
The weapon is very adaptable
willow haven
aye thanks
willow haven
yeah
heady radish
i’m too small brain for it
Same
willow haven
that's the only weapon i haven't touched
brazen nest
Guys, achilles spear with which cast?
cunning urchin
I think it's very easy to do well with but very difficult to optimize.
heady radish
Electric shot is the meta but honestly Achilles kinda makes anything go
willow haven
phlanx shot is 
damage too
brazen nest
Eletric is zeus right?
heady radish
The only cast i wouldn't play with it is true shot
willow haven
heady radish
Eletric is zeus right?
Yes
half crater
i don’t think there’s any cast that can’t work with achilles
willow haven
i only go for that for meme beams
brazen nest
Why no true shot?
half crater
true shot’s prolly the worst, but it’d prolly be okay
willow haven
single target
heady radish
True shot no AoE
heady radish
Flood shot fine
brazen nest
Only cast I haven't used yet
brazen nest
Mirage being?
heady radish
Arti pos duo
half crater
arty/pos duo
cunning urchin
Electric Shot is speedrun meta. High heat meta is very varied. Some people just do Electric Shot. I really really like Heart Rend with Crush Shot and Deadly Strike.
There's a lot of Crystal Beam and Hunting Blades, too.
brazen nest
Crystal beam is lame city
half crater
it’s good if you get all the boons
willow haven
half crater
otherwise ye it’s lame city
coral cave
Crystal meme
half crater
^
cunning urchin
It's effective is what matters.
brazen nest
Although I'm getting a bit better with talos
Had a super cool run with talos and blade dash
coral cave
Meme beem trash
daring turtle
Its base damage is just so low
cunning urchin
lol
half crater
i don’t hate meme beams, i just don’t trust them to work with AP1 + other heat stuff
cunning urchin
Crystal Beam is very good.
willow haven
yes
coral cave
False
coral cave
U no
willow haven
brazen nest
I've found blade dash with talos being gob
cunning urchin
Blade Dash is very good on Malphon in general.
brazen nest
Also rail gun with demeter atk/special and super chill
cunning urchin
Crystal Beam is good even before you get t2 boons or Crystal Clarity, although only @covert grove seems to be able to hit anything with it.
brazen nest
I killed theseus before arterius only with dot
coral cave
I didn't even know haelian was in the server lol
willow haven
i'm pretty fine with crystal beams
half crater
if only one person can hit anything with it is it really good?
willow haven
just need to find good positions
heady radish
Crystal beam is good because its incredibly safe
willow haven
i mean it's on you if you can't make it work
coral cave
Took cold embrace once because I didn't know what it did
coral cave
Gave up after like a minute
cunning urchin
if only one person can hit anything with it is it really good?
heady radish
A lot of peoples first clears (mine included) is with meme beam. Its a good build until high heat or trying to go fast
cunning urchin
I love Cold Embrace. It's way better than Crystal Clarity in every way.
cunning urchin
It's still very good at high heat.
willow haven
do you use it with fists?
heady radish
Nyaanyaa has a thing where she doesn't ever flame aphro boons
half crater
like i don’t even care how good it is, streamers should use cold embrace more ‘cause it’s fun to watch
brazen nest
Cold embrace is super chill?
coral cave
I want haelian to do 40 heat Achilles spear with cold embrace
heady radish
No its the one where it tracks zag instead of enemies
brazen nest
Crystal beam is good because its incredibly safe
Lame city
cunning urchin
Cold Embrace does more bonus damage than Crystal Clarity, so there.
half crater
I want haelian to do 40 heat Achilles spear with cold embrace
ngl i kinda wanna do achilles 40 with cold embrace now
coral cave
Do it
willow haven
let's goo
coral cave
Claim the clout
heady radish
Its better on poseidon if you go that route
brazen nest
I like crystal beam
half crater
Its better on poseidon if you go that route
how
left wyvern
How does crystal beam even exist with the timer pact on
coral cave
I will never take Crystal beam even if you put a gun to my head
heady radish
Because you are in their face anyways with sword
coral cave
I would tell you to pull the trigger
brazen nest
But blade rift or true shot is faster
heady radish
How does crystal beam even exist with the timer pact on
Exactly where meme beam starts to fall apart
half crater
Because you are in their face anyways with sword
lmao imagine using the sword part of poseidon
heady radish
Its good until time matters
cunning urchin
Very sure there've been some respectable speedruns with Crystal Beam.
half crater
i like poseidon because i pretend it isn’t a sword and is just a magic wand that makes my casts better
cunning urchin
You can still use your Attack anyway, you know.
brazen nest
I see crystal beam is really polemic
heady radish
Hey I said it was good. There are just better options
willow haven
nani
heady radish
It is called meme beam for a reason
brazen nest
I'd say demeter in general is noob friendly
Chill is probably the easiest curse to use
half crater
that’s the one thing we can all agree on; meme beams is a good meme
brazen nest
Make you super safe
brazen nest
Does good damage
left wyvern
Ravenous will and rare crop are super cool but yeah overall demeter boons are meh most of the time
cunning urchin
Does good damage
No.
coral cave
The damage is terrible lol
cunning urchin
She has the lowest Special %, and her Attack % isn't all that great, either.
half crater
i kinda like that glacial glare is separate
brazen nest
Oh
half crater
it means i can pom it stupid amounts for no reason
and get a billion second duration or whatever
coral cave
I only take demeter for nourished soul and rare crop
cunning urchin
If you want high damage and an excellent curse for survivability, you take Lady Aphrodite's boons.
coral cave
True
cunning urchin
Highest % damage and Weak.
coral cave
Also she has massive honkers
brazen nest
My favorites for going fast are ares and artemis
heady radish
Aphro good
coral cave
I mean she isn't wrong
left wyvern
Had rare crop affect the all damage crit chance boon once
half crater
true
coral cave
Aphro is a very versatile goddess
heady radish
Aphro is still only 3rd best God in the game
willow haven
Also she has massive honkers
left wyvern
Pommed it and got to like 20% crits on everything
coral cave
Best girl still artemis tho
heady radish
Ye arti is insane
half crater
arty good
heady radish
Aphro good
cloud vault
Hermes biggest % ofc
heady radish
Arti and zeus are insane
coral cave
I will not tolerate artemis slander here
cloud vault
With Rush delivery
brazen nest
Which are best gods?
coral cave
Artemis
heady radish
Arti and zeus
half crater
best god is bouldy ofc tho
brazen nest
Rush delivery is
left wyvern
Hermes is cool when he bothers to exist
coral cave
Hermes is cool when he gives you epic attack/special speed
heady radish
Hermes is either really cool or really lame. There is no in between
brazen nest
I haven't used zeus effectively yet
willow haven
LMFAO
coral cave
Or when he gives you movement speed and rush delivery
cunning urchin
Heretics.
coral cave
I like that
willow haven
actual heretics
brazen nest
I'm bad at zeus
left wyvern
The only time I find zeus usefull is combined with hunters mark
coral cave
Arty is good for chunky weapons
heady radish
Zeus is good for any weapons. He is incredibly versatile and has insane T2s and duos
coral cave
Arthur zeus
brazen nest
Deadly strike is good
willow haven
arthur
half crater
arthur zeus amazing
cloud vault
Zeus is the God of Gods
heady radish
Yall
coral cave
Arthur is doodoo
heady radish
Nah slap aphro on dash
half crater
or that
heady radish
Why are you wasting an arti slot on aphro
robust anchor
lol
left wyvern
Dionysus went down on my list the more I played
brazen nest
Oh, I remember now, the build where I had talos and blade dash I also had rush delivery
left wyvern
Hes still cool
cloud vault
Dio is insane
coral cave
Dio is bottom tier for attack boons imo
left wyvern
But his moveset boons are stupid hard to find a use for
coral cave
His support boons hittin tho
robust anchor
aph dash over athena?
half crater
both good
cunning urchin
My favorite Excalibur build is Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Crush Shot, Passion Dash, and Aphrodite's Aid.
heady radish
Divine dash stinky
willow haven
dio rama was 
brazen nest
Athena dash is noob friendly
coral cave
My favorite Excalibur build is Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Crush Sho...
That is pretty good
willow haven
athena is noob friendly
cloud vault
I love epic Aph boons, makes UC so easy
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is also high heat friendly. Just simply one of the best boons in the game.
half crater
everyone is a noob if the heat is high enough
cunning urchin
Athena's Aid is overrated.
coral cave
When you get that epic broken resolve 😩
heady radish
Divine dash is good for like.....32-45 heat. After that it gets very stinky very fast
And only if you care about clearing
half crater
it’s not that it’s stinky, it’s just that its hard to get
cunning urchin
It's still really good at 50. You'll just need damage from elsewhere or TD2.
half crater
^
coral cave
I've never gone higher than 32 heat lol
left wyvern
If you go that high heat isnt everything stinky
robust anchor
no
brazen nest
I'm barely at 2
half crater
I've never gone higher than 32 heat lol
now’s your chance. barrel-roll me
heady radish
Arti is never stinky
coral cave
No thank you
robust anchor
some things are very not stinky
willow haven
chat is being very edgy today
half crater
if you can do 32 you can do 35
cloud vault
If you can do 32 you can do 36 easy
half crater
^
cunning urchin
@half crater wants somebody to barrel-roll him so that he can barrel-roll them back. Itchy to do more barrel rolls lol.
coral cave
If you can do 32 you can do 63 easy
jolly folio
Is maxing sword arthur worth it?
cloud vault
Yes
half crater
yus that’s exactly my plan
coral cave
Eh
cunning urchin
Yes. Maxing any aspect is worth it but only if you actually play the aspect.
willow haven
slow weapon but it's up to you
jolly folio
Okay got it
coral cave
Why max Arthur when you can max zag spear instead
cunning urchin
If you play the aspect a lot, there's no reason to not make it as strong as you can.
half crater
why max zag spear when you can pretend it doesn’t exist
coral cave
Zag spear so good tho
half crater
cunning urchin
I would like to join in on making fun of Zag Spear, but my best time is with that aspect, so I lost the right to do that. 
brazen nest
Spear is my worst weapon
coral cave
It's so good I touched it once and gave up in elysium because it took me 7 leap years to kill one enemy
willow haven
I would like to join in on making fun of Zag Spear, but my best time is with tha...
lol it was the same for me
brazen nest
Maybe achilles will change that
coral cave
10/10 would recommend
half crater
lol i gotta admit i like it better than gilga
cloud vault
Achilles is very good
willow haven
i didn't actually unlock spear until like 40 runs or so
then i gave it a try and got my first pb
coral cave
Achilles spear goated
cunning urchin
Flurry Jab Zag Spear is S+ tier.
brazen nest
I want to finish with spear cause I want that 10 blood
cloud vault
All the spears are good. What's Zag aspect 😏
half crater
nah actually i do like zag spear with flurry jab
brazen nest
To boost either nemesis or chiron to max
cunning urchin
No Flurry Jab Zag Spear is bottom tier.
rare cargo
you guys know what i should focus on when using gilgamesh?
coral cave
Zag spear with massive spin 😩
cloud vault
Merciful End
cloud vault
I mean I'm sure there's a really strong heart Rend gilga for the skilled player
cunning urchin
I like Heart Rend on Gilgamesh.
half crater
problem is that gil’s dash strike is bad
rare cargo
ah
half crater
which is annoying for heart rend
rare cargo
hit and run style?
coral cave
I haven't touched gilga since I got dem fists lol
half crater
but it probably can work idk
rare cargo
for gilgamesh i mean
half crater
I haven't touched gilga since I got dem fists lol
wise
cloud vault
Merciful End gilga is literally dash strike things repeatedly
rare cargo
thats simple enough
coral cave
I literally only use dem fists
rare cargo
ty
coral cave
Other fists trash
half crater
dem fists good
coral cave
Talos main? L
willow haven
whoa
sudden zinc
hello, nice to meet ya 🙂
rare cargo
any other additional boons after merciful end?
coral cave
Dire misfortune
coral cave
Also the athena one that makes foes exposed
cloud vault
What's the point of dire misfortune in a build that only ever hits once before activating me
half crater
^
cunning urchin
Hadesprofessor uses Doom on Gilgamesh's Special and pretty much only uses the Special.
half crater
Hadesprofessor uses Doom on Gilgamesh's Special and pretty much only uses the Sp...
...what
rare cargo
huh make sense
half crater
i can’t fathom how that would work
rare cargo
thanks again
half crater
gotta watch some of these runs
half crater
they beat TD3 like that i assume?
cunning urchin
Well, he does use some Attacks. https://youtu.be/1jaxHKzBAVg
cloud vault
Do not try this at home*
half crater
goes off to research
cunning urchin
With TD3, yeah.
Retrash uses Blade Dash for damage and something like Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish on Special.
coral cave
Drunken dash
cunning urchin
If you want to take a look. https://youtu.be/_cco4oKLcp0
cunning urchin
Is drunken dash better damage wise tho
No, Blade Dash should have the highest damage. On Gilgamesh, you'd also cap stacks after 2 dashes, so you'd lose out on damage.
Otherwise maybe with poms, Drunken Dash would end up doing more eventually.
Since Hangover just scales so well with poms.
Every +1 damage on Hangover is +8 damage per stack over 4 seconds.
cloud vault
And bad influence is a thing
Meanwhile dash only has cycle for damage, besides the duration boost boon
cunning urchin
But Vicious Cycle is OD.
That's actually a top tier boon.
Hmm. Vicious Cycle adds 42 base damage to Blade Dash.
heady radish
Vicious cycle good
cunning urchin
I guess it's nowhere near as strong for Blade Dash as it is for Slicing Shot, but that's still a lot.
heady radish
Ye but I can use my cast for something that doesn't disable boiling blood. Blade dash's advantage is that its getting you a lot out of a slot you dont normally get something out of
cunning urchin
And on Malphon, where Tidal Dash is very tricky to use.
Unless the way you use Tidal Dash is to never do anything but Dash.
devout trellis
have to say, eris with merciful end deals insane amount of single target damage to boss
got a crit on doom doing almost 4k damage
heady radish
Eris good
devout trellis
it's nice
heady radish
Eris makes literally anything work
honest wing
doom attack athena special and dash?
do you just do it like close range attack and dash?
honest wing
nice nice nice
devout trellis
never thought doom can reach almost 4k
although, it very clunky in early game
doom on eris doesn't deal with hordes well
sonic ember
lmao tiny vermin again
tiny vermin + 4 sack
;_l
i chose hazard bomb with eris
i didnt think about this
cloud vault
Eris does have the strongest haz bomb
chrome thistle
Only upgrade I'm missing for Malphon is Kinetic Cutter. The wiki says it's incompatible with Gilgamesh and Talos aspects, so I'm only using Zagreus and Demeter, but it never shows up
Does the wiki have it backwards and it's only for Gilgamesh and Talos, or am I just unlucky?
cunning urchin
Kinetic Launcher. Wiki is correct.
It's also incompatible with Rush Kick, Flying Cutter, Explosive Upper, and Quake Cutter.
obsidian kite
Beo with charged shot + Ice Wine was pretty fun
I got to EM4 final stage before I remember that I had a shield and could block attacks lol
chrome thistle
It's also incompatible with Rush Kick, Flying Cutter, Explosive Upper, and Quake...
Hm, I forgot about that, maybe I messed up with the first upgrade. Thanks
neon bramble
never thought doom can reach almost 4k
Try dire memefortune with Lucifer aspect and eternal chamber
Doom attack, impending doom, dire misfortune, eternal chamber
Bonus points if you get curse of longing
And if you can snag pressure points, even better
neon bramble
It's also incompatible with Rush Kick, Flying Cutter, Explosive Upper, and Quake...
Winning is incompatible with flying cutter
Unless you use Talos
Even then
cunning urchin
I like Flying Cutter. It's very nice now. Way faster than it used to be.
neon bramble
I do like it with Talos, but that's about the only aspect I'll take it with
neon bramble
It's interesting on Demeter, but it spreads out the gig cutter hits in a weird way which can be both beneficial and detrimental
cunning urchin
It takes some getting used to for sure. Can't say I've mastered it. You still have access to regular Dash-Upper, though.
neon bramble
I like it on Talos because you can group multiple enemies from a safe distance and then annihilate them with ease
cunning urchin
I like 420 base damage Flying Cutters on Demeter Aspect.
neon bramble
I still say quake cutter would have been better if it basically converted your uppercut into dash nova, like a ground pound. Easily my least favourite fist hammer
cunning urchin
I've yet to find a use for it.
odd flare
Is Talos any good for fists?
cunning urchin
Yes, Talos is great and a lot of fun.
neon bramble
Talos can be excellent if used correctly
odd flare
Great thanks!
neon bramble
Can really suck if you don't get a good cast
odd flare
Yeah most likely
neon bramble
I highly recommend Blizzard shot/tempest flourish/splash dash
Rake enemies back and forth across the cast
Takes practice
Gets nasty if you can also get mirage shot
It also sorta works with slicing shot, but you really need to go all in with black metal/engulfing vortex for it to work
And it's stupidly powerful with Zeus flourish/cast and flying cutter
spiral badge
For a different rec, talos and aphro cast are also a PB+J combo. Reel an enemy in and unload your Aphro shotgun into them at point blank
Also similarly to Manthro’s rec, Ares blade casts can be very effective if you get good at dragging enemies back and forth across them as they travel using your meathook
odd flare
Then you can't get Splash dash with aphro strat
spiral badge
Honestly I feel like Fists and splash dash isn’t exactly the best combo to begin with in general
But different strokes
odd flare
Yeah I guess so
spiral badge
Splash dash is A+ for everything except melee weapons in my mind
Where it hinders more than helps by knocking foes out of range every time you dash
I feel
odd flare
Yeah makes sense
spiral badge
On another question what do people feel overall about Dio dash? It’s in a confusing place for me that’s hard to judge. I feel like if I get any kind of Dio damage in a build his dash is sort of the last thing I want because of Drunk Stack Overwriting??
Or am I missing something there?
hasty oracle
Hey folks! Which boons/builds are good and fun with the Gilgamesh aspect?
spiral badge
Hey folks! Which boons/builds are good and fun with the Gilgamesh aspect?
Gilga usually builds for ME (because of its inbuilt dashes) or % boons with its elevated base damage
cunning urchin
I highly recommend Blizzard shot/tempest flourish/splash dash
Take Deadly Flourish for Mirage Shot and better damage, also so your Special doesn't knock enemies out of your Blizzard Shot AOE.
spiral badge
^^^^
Poseidon is a real two way street with melee weapons. I usually stay somewhat clear of him when I play fists, unless I’m doing Talos Yo-Yos for the lols
Though I do enjoy his cast particularly for its large AOE
gusty rapids
talos yoyos are pretty gamer
gusty rapids
it means talos yoyos are pretty gamer
spiral badge
Sometimes you just gotta dunk on the undead to remind them who’s boss
gusty rapids
whats there not to get, nyaanyaa
worn crypt
YEEEAAAAAAAAHHH
worn crypt
I wanna get a mirrorless/boonless on there but it's gonna be impossible pretty soon
Or harder than I wanna spend the time doing xd
cunning urchin
I did that at 32. It's not much higher than that yet.
worn crypt
Ya I finally finished one at 35, 7 second's faster than Aurash's run on the barrel roll board... and by then NephiOH had submitted a different faster one 😢
dusky drum
yall ever just get a build of legendary chiron with ares special, dire misfortune, and impending doom
with the relentless volley hammer
and like aphro attack so i can prock privileged status
like geez i was breaking about 1500 damage loops
also i finally appreciate rail
but only eris
and man chiron works with like literally any god tbh
leaden bay
Lucifer seemed like a really fun rail. >_>
dusky drum
i mean its eh in my opinion, the special feels like worse packets from transistor
i thought that the rail was worst weapon then i started going fast with eris so :/
ok like honestly how can you make demeter cast good??
my last few duos are related to her cast but i jjust hate using it
heady radish
Screw you @opal lodge I played an amazing EM4 fight and you barrel rolled me
drifting robin
ok like honestly how can you make demeter cast good??
Achilles spear
Its more of a meme cast but still fun with dem/arty duo
spiral badge
Dem cast is in a weird spot
spiral badge
Where if you build specifically for it it can go great
drifting robin
With achilles or poseidon
spiral badge
But it’s rather trash to just shoehorn into a build usually
drifting robin
But it’s rather trash to just shoehorn into a build usually
^^^
spiral badge
Probably the least “adaptable” cast by a good margin
But again, if you focus a build around it it can do silly things indeed
heady radish
@lucid ferry there is a bug on the sheet. Its showing me as highest heat even tho bright was faster than me
At the same heat
cunning urchin
Screw you <@461369378315960330> I played an amazing EM4 fight and you barrel rol...
lucid ferry
Fixed
turbid needle
does hermes dodge go away after switching to a different keepsake?
plush fog
yes
plush fog
same with pierced butterfly
turbid needle
bruh