h1-builds-and-combat

[brazen nest]

Rolling it is

[still vortex]

concentrated forces a attack combo approach, which isn't necessarily how I like to play fists

[brazen nest]

Oh god artemis had epic strike and rare cast

Both are sooooo tempting

Cast is safer but strike can be deadly

Where's aurash when I need him

[jovial fulcrum]

Epic Tidal Dash Lv3
Rare Greater Reflex

easy game

run like a mad man dot build

I just need the Zeus near miss damage thing lol

[spiral badge]

Lol Gabriel are you still on that fists run

Take Zeus or Demeter or Dio on attack and play around for a while to introduce yourself to fists in general

For talos you want a cast that sticks in enemies. Aphro cast is my personal favorite

Dont let this mob talk you into building for ME until you have a couple fist clears to back that up with lol

[raw latch]

Curious, has anyone built a mod/bot to brute force test all builds for max dps and highest probability potential?

[spiral badge]

ME is what always gets suggested for fists because it’s the S-tier damage build

But what they fail to mention is that ME is also one of the hi-rollinest builds there is, needing 3 core boons and a duo to work

Whereas zeus attack does 80% of the work for exactly one boon and is still great fun lol

Maybe 80% is generous, but ME fists is maximum theater overkill if you’re just trying to clear the game lol

Athena is also a fun fists attack suggestion because fists are like shield’s baby brother in having a nice wide dash attack hitbox that makes a very good reflector tool

In general you’ll want more curse builds for fist attack. There are exceptions but fists mostly like curse gods on attack. Special varies much more by aspect and is much more freestyle with what it wants and what you can toss in there

[spiral badge]

No idea on this. Good amount of variables involved in calculating that though, that I can say

[brazen nest]

Well

[raw latch]

My experience with fists (only 6 clears with them under my belt) is curse on attack and dash

[brazen nest]

I ended up with ares atk, aphro special, artemis cast, athena dash, artemis call, hunter's mark, hyper sprint, greater evasion and rolling and long knuckle

[spiral badge]

Most any dashes but artemis? And posiedon for fists

[brazen nest]

Got to theseus with full health and defiance

[spiral badge]

Artemis is more meh

But you actively don’t want posiedon

Ranged weapons love posiedon dash

Melee weapons generally want it to get lost

[raw latch]

Tru tru

I love aphrodite on attack and dio on dash with gilgamesh

Ares on special is great

[spiral badge]

Yo dawg I heard you liked doom

So I put some doom in your doom so you can doom while you’re doomin’

[raw latch]

As to the dps calculator, the first step would be to give Skelly an infinite health pool, then to run multiple 60 second attack sequences that run preset attack rotations to find out if strict attack is highest dps or if a diverse ability rotation is higher.

After you get those plugged in to the bot you'd need to develop a tool for pre selecting both the average number of boon combinations and another for max boon combinations (fairly easy calculation). Make an automated system to cycle through all possibilities in a battery, recording damage output and boon assignment to a ledger, then you can sift through the data and get a breakdown of full build dps and the dps increase each boon offers to the build.

The build probability breakdown would require some backdoor info I'm not aware is public, but it certainly isn't impossible to calculate.

Anyway, would be interesting to have such a breakdown objectively calculated.

[brazen nest]

Aurash did you like that build?

[spiral badge]

well you seem like a grasp of how you would construct it

[brazen nest]

It's super wonky but it's working

[spiral badge]

So thats not a bad one gabe

[jovial fulcrum]

just got my fastest clear yet. about 31 minutes lol.

[spiral badge]

Bit of a weirdchamp but none if it is bad

[brazen nest]

Either 1 of these 3:
1- I got super lucky in the combats
2- I'm getting good at this
3- the build carried me

[jovial fulcrum]

Not fast-fast but lol

[spiral badge]

No it’s a decent build

[brazen nest]

Also hyper dash with fist is GOOD

[spiral badge]

And you’re not bad at all, just judging on how far you’ve come and how quickly

[spiral badge]

Hyper dash? As in the boon “hyper sprint” or more dashes?

[spiral badge]

Wait never mind I see it now

[jovial fulcrum]

Wow, are you guys talking about a dash build lmao.
I just did a dash build in my last run

My damage was entirely Lvl 6 Epic Tidal Dash with Rare Reflexes

was great

[spiral badge]

Ok so lemme drop a lil something on ya that you would do well to remember. Hermes is secretly responsible for one of the most busted “duo boons” in this game, it’s just not a duo boon. That boon “hyper sprint”. Not only is it great for fists and damn good in general, it unlocks the hermes T2 “rush delivery”

Rush delivery is one of the best boons in the entire game

It takes that extra speed you get from sprinting, and any extra speed you have in general, and turns it into damage

Global damage

100% more at epic rarity

Keep your eye out for hermes. The hyper sprint/rush delivery wombo combo is one of the single biggest damage boosts you can find in a run, anywhere

doubly so with good rarities

You look like you have a great build going gabe. Godspeed

[flat garden]

what date do i put into the challenge form if i did it just now

i dont know what timezone the sheet is in

[proven osprey]

Yours tbh, we don't really care

There's been some weird shenanigans with that before

Could be wrong but I'll get scolded for you, dw

[cunning urchin]

Nah that's correct.

[still vortex]

does talos' magnetic pull count as a "curse"?

[cunning urchin]

No.

[still vortex]

what about rend?

what about your cast stuck in them, is that a curse?

[proven osprey]

Nah, curses only come from gods

[cunning urchin]

The ones listed here are status curses. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Status_Curses

Pinned in #h1-for-new-players if you need to find it later.

[still vortex]

thanks

but meh, I can't seem to get two curses easily with most of my builds and playstyles, I tend to prefer family favorite

[proven osprey]

you're right

[spiral badge]

Only gods can provide a curse

As far as PS is concerned

[proven osprey]

It can be a pain hence FF is preferred

[spiral badge]

Which is what I think you’re asking

[coral cave]

does poison count as a status curse

[proven osprey]

hangover?

[spiral badge]

Ooooo

[coral cave]

like if you deflect the satyr thing back at them

[still vortex]

i usually force the 5th or 6th god anyway, so it's pretty good

[spiral badge]

Now that’s a good question

No?

[proven osprey]

I mean

[spiral badge]

It’s a hazard?

[proven osprey]

Nyaanyaa just posted a link lol

[spiral badge]

With friend foe tags swapped maybe?

That’s what occurs to me

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. I don't think Poison counts, but I can't say I've verified it.

[still vortex]

chill and weak are easy to make last a long time, maybe i'll do that sometime

[spiral badge]

I say all gods but arty are PS gods

[still vortex]

too bad dyos cast doesn't apply hangover

[spiral badge]

Some are just naturals and some take a little love

[coral cave]

marked does count as a status curse

im pretty sure

[proven osprey]

yeah

[spiral badge]

It counts

[proven osprey]

It's just inconsistent

[still vortex]

yeah but it's gone as soon as a crit hit them

[spiral badge]

But it may as well not

So all except arty, whose curse is s-tier for everything, except activating PS

[proven osprey]

@flat garden Congrats on the heat PB tho! Nice time too, you can go for TD3 now

[jovial fulcrum]

ffff
Mark vs Heart Rend

[proven osprey]

always heart rend

[spiral badge]

Oooooof

One of the only exceptions in the game to the always take marked target rule

[brazen nest]

I was looking for rush delivery

But it did not appear

I heard somewhere about how busted it is

Hermes is low key the best god

[spiral badge]

Thems the breaks

I remember your mirror is all the way unlocked at least?

[brazen nest]

Unlocked yeah, fully upgraded not even close

[jovial fulcrum]

yeah i took rend. just too good lol

getting like 600 damage crits on the hydra

[abstract flower]

Is a Merciless End build good on Twin Fists?

[brazen nest]

One skill I have that has translated really good into hades was my sekiro grind

I learned a lot how to learn patterns and react

[jovial fulcrum]

Heart Flourish w/ Nemesis and Arty Strike is pulling beeg numbers. love it

[spiral badge]

When you can afford it, drop 1 point into the bottom mirror perk that lets you roll boons

[brazen nest]

Specially with bosses now. Hades phase too for me has been easier than phase 1. I hate mobs with bosses

[spiral badge]

Just one for now

Then get the contractor upgrade

That lets you turn keys you find into rolls along the way

[brazen nest]

I'm hoarding for it, but I'm not getting much darkness right now, cause I'm cleaning the weapons first run

[spiral badge]

That will buy you the bootleg sawn-off version of that upgrade tree

And it will bandaid you while you save up for the real thing

[spiral badge]

I get you, just as a priority

One single point with that combo is worth around 3 rolls per run

[brazen nest]

Alrite, rerolling boons is such a must early on

[spiral badge]

With keys you pick up

It’s a good bandaid

[spiral badge]

You want to be able to

It’s not an all the time thing

But the right roll at the right time can make or even break a run

Even just one can turn a tide

And getting the upgrade lets you get more through the run

Making that one investment effectively worth 3 or so

[brazen nest]

That artemis that didn't give me strike with nemesi

What a pitch

[half crater]

you don’t actually need to buy a point of persuasion to get it from keys; so long as you have the contractor upgrade and the last mirror talent is unlocked and set to green you’ll get them

[spiral badge]

Ohhhhhh hell

He’s right!!

Scratch that, his plan!

As long as you can get keys fed to you on a run, you have so much more than what you have now

So, so much more

[half crater]

that’s what i’m doing atm on my hell mode save until i grind more darkness

[spiral badge]

Rolling boons isn’t for all the time. But the right one in the right place will absolutely make your run. I would focus that contractor perk down

[jovial fulcrum]

Man, really missing that Mark lmao.
I've got everything but it now.

[flat garden]

ty but i'll skip td3 for now 😅 i'm usually not too quick on elysium

[abstract flower]

Are ares boons better on multi-hit attacks/flourishes or single-hit attacks/flourishes?

Because I want to try a merciful end build with twin fists and don't know which to put in attack and which to put in flourish.

[livid lava]

I would put it on attack

and stacking boon

[abstract flower]

ok

[jovial fulcrum]

1200 crits

[spiral badge]

@abstract flower the reason people say ares attack for twin fists ME is because you’re using the dash to proc doom. It’s kind of a corner case. Outside of ME doom usually goes best on slow or fire and forget weapons

I don’t feel like it’s stacking boon is reeeeally worth it. It’s arguable, but I come down on the side of it’s focusing on the lesser side of ares kit

You will see much much more damage I think putting doom on a slow or fire and forget move, getting impending doom, and letting it and PS do the damage dealing for you

[jovial fulcrum]

2106 crit

[spiral badge]

See chaos shield builds for reference. Painting a whole room with ~200 curse damage that you can apply completely safely and stand back if you get tired of bashing skulls in with the attack button. That’s ares in a nutshell

[daring turtle]

I wonder if it's possible to get a 9999 crit or higher, to one-up Thanatos

[spiral badge]

As if we don’t make him insecure enough

[abstract flower]

What is another good Duo boon to go with Merciful End? Currently I have my cast and call boonless.

[willow haven]

arty athena

[flat garden]

^ great option if you wanna put arty on your cast

[tranquil falcon]

longbows

have destroyed every single no hit run i've tried

just let me get the 30% butterfly

please

[flat garden]

do it in tartarus

get as many encounter rooms there as possible

[jovial fulcrum]

That was a fun one. As expected, Nemesis + Arty is good

Just Weak Flourish and chop chop chop

[honest wing]

is that same combo better on nemesis than arthur?

[tranquil falcon]

yes i did

i'm at 26%

i think i only got like a single room in the entirety of elysium

[jovial fulcrum]

i dont have arthur so i dunno

[livid lava]

In Elyisum I hate that I often get random hits from projectiles shot off screen

Especially if I am using some visually cluttering boons

[ripe glade]

Anyone got any ideas for a run?... tired of exhausting my own builds...

[flat garden]

lucifer but special only

[ripe glade]

what gods?

what special would u recommend?

[flat garden]

arty worked very well for me

[ripe glade]

got a hammer on first room that gives me tripple on the special.. so... what god you recommend for it?

[flat garden]

oh man you're lucky

triple + deadly flourish melts through bosses

if you can get the special speed increase from hermes you're basically set

[ripe glade]

k.. going with your suggestion.. it's my highest heat so far on this weapon.. 26..

got all my weapons so far at heat 25

[flat garden]

i'd also get urge to kill and support fire

hunter's mark and pressure points are great as well

[ripe glade]

support fire gives me the legendary option.. I don't take the 3 casts no more.. I perfer just the 1 cast

[flat garden]

if you're having a hard time with just the special you can just void the special-only run. i only went up to 17 heat with that strat

#h1-victory-boasting message

[fallen mirage]

I'm a big fan of Achilles Spear w/ Stygian Soul and Crystal Beam

[flat garden]

if you want to put something on attack, i recommend aphro so you can get heart rend.

that's if you want to stop using only the special (which is slow as hell)

[ripe glade]

I love it Museus.. had about 8 beams with 4 spawning... it's just a maze of beams.. epic cast build.. ran it many times.. getting 6 or more casts.. is amazing. I aim for Art's Legendary.. I always hit it.. 😄

but only if I get a Epic cast at the very beginning..

[flat garden]

that build with crystal clarity is one of the best cast builds

[ripe glade]

yeah it is.. and hunting blades.. I love hitting that too

been working on cast builds alot recently... you can make something of Zues casts too.. if you focus and heavy pom it up...

[jovial fulcrum]

Half the time I forget about my casts

I like to use the cast version of the bow for that reason

[ripe glade]

it's why I use Stgian Soul more now... cause I don't have to worry about running around collecting them

if a cast build develops during my run.. then I'll focus on it..

[flat garden]

i use stygian soul for casts that lodge

wait

the purple one i mean

the yellow one i use for the casts that don't lodge

[ripe glade]

Chaos will give ya extra's as well as Art's legendary.. I can usually pick his up in Elysium if I focus on the cast

Pro tip - the first room is always the same.. if you start a run.. and gives u a choice of an epic.. being it a cast, attack or special... give up on that run.. and replan.. you can choose any weapon or aspect... and you will be giving an Epic everytime..

Epic Cast... sometimes I go Demeter.. start the run with that epic cast..

Once you are in a seed and you give up.. you are always given the same seed.. for example... first room.. you get a hammer and a chaos gate... give up that run.. higher the heat.. knowing you gonna get those options when you start the run

[tranquil falcon]

okay longbows crushed me again

28%

going into heroes fight

i swear i'm gonna get sniped by satyrs every single path in styx

please

just one room

[willow haven]

bow took me too long to get used to

[tranquil falcon]

i'm gonna scream if i dont get this this run was too good

do i seriously need to do a third attempt

fourth*

[willow haven]

what weapon are you using

[tranquil falcon]

guan yu

pierced butterfly

high confidence

same as a few days ago

[willow haven]

[tranquil falcon]

going for the 30%

[flat garden]

if i dont get the 30% by lernie i just restart hahahah

when i did it for the achievement, anyway

[tranquil falcon]

i'm at 28%

in styx

i just need one single chamber

i went into elysium with 24%

[willow haven]

it's such a resident sleeper build

[tranquil falcon]

longbows killed me

hard

didn't get the divine dash

[willow haven]

it might be just me

but auto aim doesnt seem to work on them

[tranquil falcon]

didn't get the athena at all

[flat garden]

go into a boss room

do you have MM?

[willow haven]

it works on their ghost thingies

[tranquil falcon]

YES

i did it

i did it

[flat garden]

🥳

[tranquil falcon]

30%

ironically

[willow haven]

[tranquil falcon]

i was scared of the satyrs

but i got it on the satyr miniboss

[tranquil falcon]

i originally did it with 14 heat bc i was still trying to get all weapons to max bounties

but now i'm just doing runs for the achievment

so i just have 1 heat in tight deadline

and that's it

the 14 heat was with no EM at all

because em1 is hard nohit

and with 100% hard labour

and 50% lasting consequences

i originally also did benefits package

but then realized that was stupid and i hate forced overtime benefits

so i switched it for underworld customs

[flat garden]

oh wow

[tranquil falcon]

and yeah i had MM on

i mean now i don't

[flat garden]

MM styx no-hit :kekw:

i wouldnt be able to do it

[tranquil falcon]

doomstone and satyr

😳

[flat garden]

i'd always get hit by either the laser or the satyr

yeah

[tranquil falcon]

yep

[flat garden]

i just beg for the king rat or the giant bother whenever im in styx

[willow haven]

mfw smol rat

[tranquil falcon]

giant bother is ez

[flat garden]

the satyr on fo2 was so fast

his attacks were zooming

[tranquil falcon]

speed

that sounds horrible lol

[robust anchor]

fo2 is a HECKER

[tranquil falcon]

alright, first time doing big dad

wish me luck

[flat garden]

em4?

[tranquil falcon]

yep

[flat garden]

good luck

you'll need it

[tranquil falcon]

yeppppp

it's not even with my best aspect

i'm not even trying to like go for the win ig

it's for the e x p e r i e n c e

i just maxed hera hidden aspect

and that was the final hidden

so i'm taking it

and i needed 15 heat for bounty

my default is 2 tight deadline, em3, and MM

normally i would take benefits there

but that makes me take something else

so i just said screw it and ditched benefits for em4

rama's good with artemis right?

does rama damage scale with crits or no

[rare kindle]

Yes, it scales with crits

it won't scale with status curses tho

[tranquil falcon]

akr

alr*

damn it feels weird having above 100 health now

[flat garden]

i cant survive past elysium with less than 200 health

[faint flax]

new barrel roll target

[flat garden]

congrats on the 12 mins

i cant fathom going faster than 15

[forest marsh]

I believe in you electronic, and Bouldy does too

[keen valve]

Believe in yourself, bc Bouldy believes in you!!

[misty yoke]

i am running a hera bow. i can chose between piercing volley, charged volley or point black shot. idk what fits best here

i like the damage to armor though

[still vortex]

Does blizzard shot work with curse of drowning?

[flat garden]

nope

[jovial fulcrum]

dying to a twitchy finger :pepehands:

I had hades at like 1/5 in the final phase and I accidentally hit the joystick and stepped out of cover during laser beam attack

[coarse moss]

the attack is nutty. the special buffs it by 60%. get twin shot/triple shot hammer

[devout trellis]

Any recommendations of the boons for Chiron?

[dry ember]

artemis and erm

more artemis?

[flat garden]

i usually go arty special and aphro attack

and aim for heartrend

[dry ember]

maybe heartrend

or deadly reversal if you are feeling frisky

[limber cloak]

dio also works decent with chiron

dash around the entire chamber once you enter it, cover every enemy you see with your special Shared Suffering, then attack a single enemy and watch the entire room disappear

[slim lynx]

is deadly reversal global like pressure points which causes all damage to enemies to crit?

[devout trellis]

What is deadly reversal again?

[slim lynx]

gives 20% crit chance when you deflect an attack

this doesn't mean hitting an enemy with an attack that can deflect, it means deflecting a projectile or something

[unkempt pagoda]

it is global, yes

[dense remnant]

I was going for a deadly reversal build last night

got every other Duo, except for deadly reversal xD

[limber cloak]

oof

[dense remnant]

still an extremely easy clear, because I was on low heat and Divine Flourish is exceptional

didn't even get hit by Hades

[slim lynx]

got heart rend + deadly reversal here on the other hand 😩 👌

[dense remnant]

with which aspect?

[slim lynx]

demeter

[dense remnant]

interesting, I was trying it on Chiron

[slim lynx]

i even got deadly flourish and kinetic launcher lmao

[limber cloak]

kinetic launcher on dem fists slaps so hard

[slim lynx]

and if you get that backstab power shot 😩

[kind finch]

what is the best aspect fo boonless

[willow haven]

depends on you

[dense remnant]

what's the max rank for boonless keepsake? the %?

[half crater]

hestia

[kind finch]

with the 6 ammo daedalus?

[dense remnant]

does hunter's dash affect boonless keepsake?

[flat garden]

75

[dense remnant]

really? that seems so low

[flat garden]

considering the game is built around boons i get why they made it that way

[limber cloak]

its 100%

not 75

[dense remnant]

thought so, still seems a bit low

[limber cloak]

hestia with spreadfire is decent as ohok said, arthur is also pretty good

[dense remnant]

do chaos boons and Hunter's Dash affect the boonless keepsake?

[flat garden]

really? i swear it was 75, guess i just never use it that often

[willow haven]

it is 75 at 2nd rank

[half crater]

you don’t need spread fire, just use shackle and snipe

[willow haven]

reload

[half crater]

gets kinda slow late game, but so does boonless everything

[flat garden]

i think i made the connection because the last time i saw the tooltip i was at 2nd rank, and after i maxed it i never ever used it again lmao

[undone sparrow]

how do I guan yu?

[fading gull]

big spoilers but ||invest 5 blood in non zag-aspects of weapons, and then its just rng dialogue from archilles||

its also pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[dense remnant]

for guan yu, specifically, you need to unlock 5 different aspects, not simply invest 5 blood in non-zagreus aspects

[sonic ember]

i think just invest some blood into aspects

i think I unlocked lucifer before hestia at one point

i could be wrong or misremembering

[untold vortex]

it's unlock 5 non zag aspects for Guan Yu

[dense remnant]

yes, they were asking about guan yu

[untold vortex]

all other hidden aspects are invest 5 blood into the specific weapon

Griss' pronous are she/her btw @dense remnant

[limber cloak]

inb4 they were asking about to play guan yu, not how to unlock it

[sonic ember]

i was about to say

like.. bigger spins, bigger wins

[proven osprey]

I thought about that too

[limber cloak]

lol

[proven osprey]

Just in case then :
Best hammers : Charged skewer (by far), Quick spin, Massive spin, Serrated Point (good damage, risky). Breaching skewer is good with charged skewer, otherwise there are better choices.

Classic charged skewer build : Heartbreak strike, Deadly Flourish to get Heart Rend. The other way around is fine too even though a bit less powerful.

Spin builds : Divine strike, Deadly strike, Frost strike, Heartbreak strike are good.

When not on a spin build, spin between waves spawn and vs slow melee foes or where terrain allows you to (i.e pits).

Optimal dps rotation : Special > Dash strike > Dash strike

[sonic ember]

btw, how do you use exaclibur? everytime I use it I feel like im missing a lot of things

[proven osprey]

You can also cast in this rotation, just be sure to have a dash to cancel the lag

Or even a special

[limber cloak]

excalibur as in the sword right?

you should usually be specialling+dash strike+dash striking with the sword

there are plenty of good sword builds, but my personal fav is nemesis with aphro+arty+heart rend

aphro on special/dash, then arty on attack

and hope to get heart rend

[visual jungle]

getting verry lucky with this run so far !! https://i.imgur.com/Y9Xs6pf.png

[fading gull]

oh really?

didnt know that oops

my bad

[sonic ember]

the hidden aspect for stygius ye

[limber cloak]

oh for arthur

basically the same build yeah

get huge arty crits

try to get shadow slash as the hammer (+200% backstab damage)

you'll get easy 2000+ crits on enemies, especially bosses

[sonic ember]

Hmm.. thats fair

last time i had a hard time getting heart rend

ended up losing the run

[flat garden]

got ME and hunting blades back-to-back feelsgoodman

got killed by lernie feelsbadman

is ME the top tier choice to build around with dem fists

[coarse moss]

yeh...but why do that when you can ME with ruthless reflex + maim

[limber cloak]

if youre speedy running yeah

[undone sparrow]

how do I play with the excalibur in general?
cuz for the hidden aspects, guan-yu and arthur are the ones I'm the least confortable with

[robust anchor]

fight in your sparkles

[slim lynx]

you can dash mid-combo

[robust anchor]

just mash the attack button and dash around

[slim lynx]

for example while winding up a slash you can dash behind the enemy to backstab them

[limber cloak]

also, you can dash while youre attack and specialling with arthur

and it doesnt cancel

practice it on skelly

[undone sparrow]

thanks

and GY

[robust anchor]

press special and dashdash and it does sparkles where you land

[undone sparrow]

any good tips?

[limber cloak]

you should also be dash striking mostly with arthur unless youre dealing with a group of enemies

[limber cloak]

check above

[limber cloak]

..

this message

specialling is what you mostly should be doing with guan yu, especially if you get charged skewer

[undone sparrow]

this is more build focused, I need some general tips to figure it out from there

[brazen nest]

Morning, beat hades with that wonky fists build

[undone sparrow]

the slow one?

]

or the memed?

[robust anchor]

watch some videos

[brazen nest]

Now I need to beat him with the spear and the gun

I really want that 10 blood

[robust anchor]

and copy what they do

[slim lynx]

spamming special is in general a good strat if you can get charged skewer since not only does being far away mean you basically can't be hit by most enemies but it also deals with crowds of enemies coming at you surprisingly well

[sonic ember]

You can dash during your normal attacks with excalibur.
Guan Yu just requires patience and spin-to-wins

[undone sparrow]

ah

[sonic ember]

without daedelus upgrades guan yu just sucks

[undone sparrow]

it won't be a hyper agressive thing, right?

[slim lynx]

quick spin is also great for guan yu because it's more safe but also less powerful than charged skewer

[sonic ember]

yeah

[proven osprey]

As I said

[willow haven]

it's super slow

[sonic ember]

quick spin and massive spin are great

[willow haven]

imo

[proven osprey]

Special double dash strike

GY is not slow at all

[sonic ember]

excalibur is aggressive with the right build

[slim lynx]

massive spin is better than flying serpent

[sonic ember]

your special slows mobs

[undone sparrow]

I find GY to be a awkward cursed slash

[slim lynx]

just get deadly strike 😎 👌

[sonic ember]

it kinda is

[undone sparrow]

but that's why I want tips

[proven osprey]

Don't spin too much except vs melee foes or when spawning

special double dash strike, line up foes with your special

[undone sparrow]

so, special spam?

[sonic ember]

excalibur special spam with the huge aura
Xuan yu just hold attack

[willow haven]

i honestly don't even know what to do when i don't get charged shot

[proven osprey]

if you wanna go fast, ME

But the aspect takes practice

[undone sparrow]

ME is just dumb
regardless of aspect

[willow haven]

that's literally every weapon

[sonic ember]

if zeus' attack works on guan yu, that probably helps

[willow haven]

yeah lmao

[undone sparrow]

hermes quivers every time anyone gets it

[proven osprey]

I mean speedruns

[willow haven]

the attack sequence takes a year to finish

?

[proven osprey]

You don't attack with GY

almost never

[sonic ember]

i personally think excalibur and gy are the least fun weps

cuz of the versitility

[willow haven]

i guess i could agree a bit there

[sonic ember]

too gimmicky

[willow haven]

mainly because they're slow

[robust anchor]

big knife go BONK

[proven osprey]

GY is a deep aspect, yet unexplored. There a tons of possibilties

[willow haven]

arthur requires too much crit investment

[robust anchor]

i love the sparkles honestly

[willow haven]

haha

[robust anchor]

the slowdown is so great

[willow haven]

brrr

[sonic ember]

i have problems processinv too many particles

lol

[proven osprey]

GY can get sub 8 min imo

by no means it's slow

[willow haven]

yet there isn't any speedrun

with sub 8

[undone sparrow]

anything CAN get <8
the question is WILL

[proven osprey]

there is

[robust anchor]

i think people see a slow hitting weapon and think its slow

[willow haven]

oh?

[proven osprey]

pre 1.37 from JDN

[robust anchor]

slow is more about low dps

[willow haven]

i must've missed it on the leaderboards

ah

[proven osprey]

The current WR is 8:31 but the run is far from perfect

[willow haven]

i see

[slim lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/806576330971283516/Hades_119.png

[willow haven]

it's a c tier weapon for me anyway

[slim lynx]

this was a pretty powerful arthur run i did

[robust anchor]

what bouldy did you get

[proven osprey]

It's decent

I'd say it's the best spear for high heat

[cloud vault]

Anything that simply trades life for damage is going to be pretty powerful in the right hands.

[slim lynx]

does favor also increase the chances of chaos offering defiance?

[willow haven]

i don't think

[cloud vault]

Legacy does

Favor is the worst talent on the tree btw

Because it means you're not using foresight

[slim lynx]

imo favor is great, especially if the % is high and if you get it early on

it means you're gonna be getting better boons later and it also increases the chance of getting duos and legendaries which is always welcome

oh you mean god's favor

[cloud vault]

Yes the rare boost thing

Epic boost is pretty good

[slim lynx]

rare chaos favor but it's only ~20%

🥲

[cloud vault]

Oh the chaos boon?

That one is really good from my experience with it.

[spiral badge]

I suspect the chaos boons fall under “more than what they say on the label” or are at least poorly interpreted

That or better part of rare or better makes me suspicious

[spiral badge]

Cause I’m with him. I’ve taken that because I had to before and the results were suspiciously good

[slim lynx]

according to the wiki favor simply increases the chance of getting duos/legendaries by 10%

[proven osprey]

More duo chances for sure

[slim lynx]

which is very nice

[limber cloak]

in the actual code, it doesnt give you more epic chance

someone in the speedrun discord broke it down

[spiral badge]

Well I stand corrected

[limber cloak]

it only gives you x % rare chance, and flat 10% duo legendary chance, no matter what the actual x% is

[spiral badge]

Ah, thank you

[slim lynx]

i'd still take it, the less "common" boons the better

[full snow]

Is there a commonly accepted best companion? I've been running Mort since he's got what I think is the highest damage output, right?

[robust anchor]

meg is very popular

i personally use achilles

[slim lynx]

mort is powerful but very slow

antos is really good, i use it for 32 heat

[full snow]

If I use hers with only one enemy, will they both apply to the same target? I know the Achilles one will, I also use that one sometimes if I'm worried about getting close enough for Mort.

[robust anchor]

if you enjoy the mouse just stick with that tho

[willow haven]

i fr can't align meg against heroes

[slim lynx]

bouldy is good for farming runs

[robust anchor]

for heroes the trick is

IMMEDIATELY tap up button

on dpad

[willow haven]

yes

it only hits theseus

[robust anchor]

and smash summon

[slim lynx]

if you're gonna try to use antos on meg/alecto make sure the minions are dead

[willow haven]

oh

press w then meg?

[robust anchor]

like instantly

yes

[willow haven]

aight i'll give it a try ty

[robust anchor]

youre welcome

[tacit canopy]

for heroes I've heard you gotta spam forward during the conversation

[robust anchor]

i learned it from haelian

[willow haven]

i was moving towards them lol

[robust anchor]

dont move just face up

[willow haven]

aye

[proven osprey]

Just one input upwards is enough

[robust anchor]

yes goodluck

[proven osprey]

This meg is really easy

[full snow]

I'mma be real, most runs I end with at least 2 charges on my companion because I forget to use it until after theseus and asterius. XD It's just for Hades.

[slim lynx]

oh yeah, if you just skip through the dialogue as fast as possible they're still in their animation when the fight starts

[robust anchor]

i use it on mini boss too

it makes sneak so much easier

[slim lynx]

gives a great head start to deal some damage

[full snow]

I should use it I just don't feel the need until at least Lernie, and depending on which weapon, maybe not even then. I should be using it on those two tho, they're tough on most weapons for me still...

I'm approaching a Heat 15 on achilles spear rn and I'm so close to that second statue...

[slim lynx]

just jump to heat 16

what's one more heat level

[proven osprey]

https://youtu.be/G-Iovk-sbe8

Always useful

[full snow]

I've not jumped heats yet at all, might as well just stick it out. I still need the titan blood for sure.

[kind finch]

do you lose titan blood from jumping heat?

[robust anchor]

no

if you still havent gotten blood from say heat 10, and you jump to 30, youll get bounties for 10

lets say you do 30 again, youll get bounty for heat 11. and so on

[slim lynx]

you get bounties until you reach heat 20

[full snow]

pikachu face

[slim lynx]

at that point you no longer receive bounties and it just says "Bounty limit reached! Thank you for suffering."

[full snow]

Does that mean there's a finite amount of titan blood you can get?

[robust anchor]

from bounties, yes

[random hull]

You can always buy more, though

[robust anchor]

charon offers blood and the broker

[full snow]

Forgot about Charon, but alright, that makes sense.

[spiral badge]

If you farm halfway effectively don’t worry about titan blood at all

I worried too but I ran out of upgrades loooong before I ran out of ways to get blood

Especially with a little ambrosia trading

[random hull]

The blood from bounties alone isn’t quite enough to max out all weapons, so you have to use alternative means one way or the other.

[spiral badge]

Trade 1/4 ambrosia for blood over your whole career and you won’t go wrong

As a rule of thumb

That’s a decent boost

Fated list is big too

[full snow]

I haven't done any dedicated farming yet, really. I focused on completing the fated list and crossing off steam achievements while I got all the main plot stuff and couple stuff done.

I've got around 30 diamonds and 16 ambrosia right now, and 9 bloods. I still have several aspects to max out though.

[spark nest]

yo bois what does the cutter charged do for fist

its the second aspect but idk what it does

[sonic ember]

aspect of demeter?

It basically adds more hits to your special and does more damage.

[spark nest]

ah

[full snow]

I think demeter is the third one.

[spark nest]

oh

[full snow]

Isn't it ?

[proven osprey]

It adds up to 5 hits to your special

[obsidian kite]

yeah Talos is 2

Demeter is 3

[proven osprey]

Second is Talos yeah

[full snow]

Magnetic Cutter pulls people in

[spark nest]

so like special = 5 hits ?

how does it pull people in tho

[obsidian kite]

they're different aspects

[full snow]

Like they'll get closer to you so you can hit them again

[obsidian kite]

Talos pulls them in and debuffs them

[proven osprey]

Magnetic pulls up foes and grants you a 50% damage bonus on attack/cast against them for 6s

[obsidian kite]

Demeter is the one that adds hits to your special after you land 12 hits

[spiral badge]

Talos is great to play around with for 1 blood

[spark nest]

does it apply to my normal attack

or when the cutter charges

[full snow]

No talos makes the special pull, not normal attack

[slim lynx]

don't underestimate demeter, those fists hit hard

[spiral badge]

Dem is meh when un-upgraded but not actively bad like some others

[spiral badge]

Extremely at max

[proven osprey]

Talos = Pull / Demeter = more hits from special when charged

[sonic ember]

..wat
demeter one shots boss phases

[slim lynx]

explosive cutter is perfect for demeter but kinetic launcher is way better if used well

[sonic ember]

kinetic launcher is mmm

lovely

[spiral badge]

Kinetic launcher is secretly busted

That endlag

[proven osprey]

Explosive upper is way better than Kinetic

[spiral badge]

Remember Folks, Frames Matter

[spiral badge]

If I ever have to decide between the two my brain just melts down

[proven osprey]

Nice aoe, no lag while dash uppering

[spiral badge]

Thank god I play talos

[full snow]

I can't remember any of the hammer upgrade names but I think I like explosive cutter...

[spiral badge]

So it’s not typically a choice

[proven osprey]

yeah

[spiral badge]

Kinetic launcher makes special into your combo breaker instead of dash 👀

[slim lynx]

kinetic launcher also has a power shot with makes it mroe pwoerful than it needs to be

[proven osprey]

Having to charge Kinetic is tough

[slim lynx]

it's like the duration of bow dash-strike

[spiral badge]

But there’s no damage variance, yea? Just range?

[slim lynx]

you don't have to pause for long anyways

[spiral badge]

I just smack the button at fists-range and it goes off for me

[tranquil falcon]

big dad time

wish me luck

[spiral badge]

Thank god I like talos better than dem or my life would be much harder

[proven osprey]

KL is 50 base damage while Explosive upper is 100% of your special > 80 base

but

you can powershot

[spiral badge]

Ohhhhh hell it takes both hits into account?

[slim lynx]

explosive upper also works with gilga which is nice, the explosion applies maim

[spiral badge]

Or is dash special 80 base damage?

[proven osprey]

The thing is explosive is aoe and quite ez to backstab, leading to amazing quasi instant damage

[spiral badge]

Explosive upper is busted for curses in general 🤤

[tranquil falcon]

damn phase one big dad gone

rama crits are nice

[proven osprey]

Dash upper is 40 base

[spiral badge]

But it takes the special value as its measurement doesn’t it 👀

Which is 2 hits

[proven osprey]

It's one hit only

[tranquil falcon]

DAMN

[spiral badge]

How do we arrive at 80 base damage

[proven osprey]

two hit is the classic special

[tranquil falcon]

almost one shot him during the healing

[spiral badge]

Help me there

[tranquil falcon]

rama is nice

[proven osprey]

explosive upper is +100% damage

[spiral badge]

40 over 100?

[tranquil falcon]

triple shot point blank crits

[spiral badge]

Ok I follow you now

I see

[tranquil falcon]

time for phase 3

🙂

[spiral badge]

That math checks out

[proven osprey]

I think it's correct to assume KL has more potential damage

but it's not realistic compared to explosive upper

[spiral badge]

Didn’t know you could powershot the hadouken though, thank you

[slim lynx]

yeah i only noticed it after beating up theseus

[spiral badge]

I do really love hadouken because of how much the endlag helps your combo game in general

[tranquil falcon]

YESSSS

[spiral badge]

But I see now how it gets outclassed for raw damage

[tranquil falcon]

big dad gone

[spiral badge]

I mean, I play talos and I’m with ya, explosive upper is the jackpot hammer for me lol

[proven osprey]

Well you'll never get KL on Talos anyway lol

[spiral badge]

Which is why I can happily ignore that problem for most of my existence 😇

[proven osprey]

yup

Kinetic is fun tho

[spiral badge]

I love how it gives you a combo reset option that doesn’t expend your dash

[proven osprey]

it's beautiful with tempest flourish, the color is really nice imo

[brazen nest]

Aurash, tips for gun and spear? That run with talos went a ok, I lost only a single defiance, pretty nice

[limber cloak]

if you want a broken build with the rail, go eris

and then basically anything from there honestly

zeus attack is decent for room clears

dio attack can also work

cluster bomb and rocket bomb are insane hammers

[spiral badge]

He has almost nothing unlocked I’m pretty sure lol

[limber cloak]

hestia with arty is insane too

[limber cloak]

oh rip

[spiral badge]

It’s cool though

Keep going. Pretend you’re building Eris. Gabe listen

[proven osprey]

Zag spear : Flurry jab, Lightning strike, more zeus

[spiral badge]

Everything he says applies

[proven osprey]

If you don't get flurry jab you either reset or keep going with the same build, it will be just less damage but will work

don't bother using special unless explosive launcher

[spiral badge]

I cheesed spear with doom special when I was a greenhorn 🙈

[full snow]

Using Flurry Jab rn, one of my fav hammer upgrades

With zeus attack it just feels busted

[spiral badge]

Flurry jab is atlas

Holding the basic/zag spear world on his shoulders

Make no mistake

[full snow]

I'm using it with achilles spear actually

XD

[spiral badge]

Well there you go

[limber cloak]

for eris, you should usually be specialling as you entire a room, then dive into the special's zone to get the buff

then attack as normal

[spiral badge]

build for zeus attack on rail generally

[brazen nest]

I can get eris

[spiral badge]

it's the only weapon with such a unipolar attack boon meta, if you will

[brazen nest]

For rail

[spiral badge]

how much blood do we have here

hang on

Eris is the jet fighter

[brazen nest]

I unlocked hades spear but it's subpar at lvl1

[spiral badge]

Zag rail is the a-10 warthog

how much do we have to spend?

[brazen nest]

Blood? 1 and 2 ambrosia, but fist and sword have heat 1 fully available

Bow has heat 2 rewards, so I can delay a bit either rail or spear for now

[spiral badge]

if you can scrounge together 5 blood you can double your rail mag with zag aspect

[proven osprey]

which is good for spread fire

[spiral badge]

it's not a jet fighter, but put zeus on it and it will massacre all the same

[spiral badge]

If you hit spread fire on Zag rail it's a blessed day for you, child

[proven osprey]

well

Just get hammer luck

[spiral badge]

It's ear to ear fun the first time you find it

[limber cloak]

or just seed the run

[proven osprey]

Last week I had like 7 tartarus charged skewer in a row

it was just blessed

[limber cloak]

jeez

that is insane

lol

[proven osprey]

The seventh one was the current GY any heat WR

then hammer luck disappeared

[woven crater]

That's incredible

[proven osprey]

Yeah I was just amazed

never happened before and prolly won't

[brazen nest]

Zag rail with spread

And zeus

Hmmmmmm

[spiral badge]

technically if you get spread you dont want zeus

but thats a gamble

[proven osprey]

yeah lmao

[spiral badge]

and zeus wont treat you bad at all

theres just better things

[proven osprey]

Tactical artemis switch

[woven crater]

It's also not bad to start looking for swaps once you get spread

[spiral badge]

dont play yourself not putting zeus on rail attack

[brazen nest]

Artemis strike lol

So busted

[proven osprey]

it's a gamble y

or I guess you could sell lightning strike

[woven crater]

Since lightning strike serves well enough, I'd just keep an eye out for offers as I take other boons

[proven osprey]

spread fire base damage should be enough for asphodel

but the best scenario is hammer room 1

[woven crater]

And a trial room for example becomes potentially higher value

Hammer first room and then figure out what to do with the keepsake boon

[dense remnant]

merciful end immediately removes the doom curse, when it activates it, right?

for example with chiron bow aspect or demeter gloves

[spiral badge]

yup

[dense remnant]

it would just go off once?

[spiral badge]

merciful end is nothing but a shortcut in the “doom applied -> doom procs” cycle

Gamebreaking, simple

[dense remnant]

other than using gloves i don't see how it's as great as ppl seem to think

[spiral badge]

Ehhhhh

Ever heard of a hi roll build?

ME is the ultimate hiroll

Only accompanied in power by a select few builds in this game

[brazen nest]

The next thing I want to try is rush delivery with zag shield

Lol

Or nemesis

[spiral badge]

But requiring 3 core boons and a duo to execute properly

Which means its incomplete until its online

[dense remnant]

@spiral badge nope, what's it consist of?

[spiral badge]

At which point the hades fight is an anime fight where you teleport through Father 20 times and he falls to pieces

Ares attack, athena special, athena dash

Athena special needs to be there to get the duo, but can be disposed of after.

Attack applies doom, dash procs. Rinse repeat

Finding even a single extra dash is now a humongous power boost

[spiral badge]

This made my heart flutter a little ❤️

[dense remnant]

i imagine impending doom is necessary and dire misfortune isn't used

[drifting robin]

You dont need impending

It is already really good

[dense remnant]

still, u can get double dmg off of it

[drifting robin]

Its not necessary but very good

Ive gotten unlucky and have never gotten it in my ME runs and they still turned out fine

[dense remnant]

since the build is so simple what else can u get? considering ur potentially losing out on DPS if u do anything but proc doom

[limber cloak]

the build doesnt really need anything else tbh

[spiral badge]

yeah im gonna come back on that and say while you dont strictly need impending, theres no reason not to make it priority #1 beyond getting ME online

[limber cloak]

ME also works with basically every weapon

[dense remnant]

does it? isn't the attack animation really important

[limber cloak]

it is amazing with demeter fists

[spiral badge]

it is literally another however much damage boost on top of it

[dense remnant]

the speed of it

[full snow]

Does anyone know if vicious skewer counts the achilles rush as "recovery"?

[limber cloak]

attack speed and extra dashes is all you need really

[dense remnant]

does maim increase doom dmg?

[spiral badge]

ME's power settings go from "Powerful" to "Where Did Hades Go?"

yes it does 😄

[limber cloak]

"Where Did Hades Go?"

this

i got an insane ME build once with epic impending doom and heroic attack

and it was just

chef's kiss

[dense remnant]

imma have to try it, i thought it was gonna be broken beyond belief, cause I initially thought it doesn't remove the doom curse

[spiral badge]

ME top 3 duo boons in the game

[dense remnant]

when i realized it does i sort of didn't bother trying it out

[spiral badge]

period, hands down, no questions

[limber cloak]

my top duo boons honestly are ME, Heart rend and hunting blades probably

[spiral badge]

the only discussion up there is about which is most specifically gamebreaking and in what way at what time

[dense remnant]

so a godrun, even though it doesn't need it, would also include sweet surrender and exposed

[spiral badge]

ME fists highroll top 3 most powerful builds in the game too, by the same logic

[dense remnant]

i imagine

[spiral badge]

honestly

once ME is online

nothing, nothing is worth more than more dashes

[limber cloak]

what does sweet surrender do again?

i forgot

[spiral badge]

which is why gilga is such a popular ME platform

[dense remnant]

increases dmg against weak enemies

it's a global modifier, so i assume it works with doom

and u can have weak on ur cast

[limber cloak]

how would you be applying weak

[spiral badge]

you're thinking is right sickness

but in reality

[limber cloak]

pretty sure cast doesnt apply weak

also it would take longer to cast

[spiral badge]

why are you spending that time not dashing and applying ME again?

[limber cloak]

you could just finish enemies off by that time

exactly^^

[dense remnant]

cast definitely applies weak

[limber cloak]

eitherway

its a time waste lol

[spiral badge]

^^^

i get there are cooldowns

you are on the right track of thinking

[dense remnant]

i mean as a round opener u cast, cancel with dash>attack>dash, etc.

with the boon for longer weak duration u won't need to cast again any time soon

[spiral badge]

if aphro cast is your pick you have made a good one for a close range ME build

feel free to explore that

[limber cloak]

it would work if your cast had a longer range

e.g with blown kiss

[spiral badge]

just know ME is unipolar as a build

the thing that will benefit you most is things that benefit ME

everything else is accessory

[drifting robin]

Also for a good ME build you might want to have ME before entering Elysium

[dense remnant]

seems easy enough to get

depending on heat

[drifting robin]

First you need to get ME

Then athena dash

[sonic ember]

i just died using excalibur
and it was going so well :(

[drifting robin]

So it takes a lot to get but it is very good

[spiral badge]

If you want to define a Hiroll build, ME's picture is what will be there when you look it up

[dense remnant]

speaking of excalibur - how do ppl get sub 10 with that weapon? in general sub-10 seems insane, my best time is like 15

[spiral badge]

for better and for worse

[drifting robin]

Practice

and practice

and luck

and more practice

[limber cloak]

room spawn manipulation is very powerful

[woven crater]

Very big numbers make its clears quite quick

[limber cloak]

in all speedruns

[drifting robin]

^^

Hammers, fountain rooms, shops, and being good at the game

[dense remnant]

what i meant is i've used excalibur a few times and my best time, being on the bow, my bow had much higher dps, im not sure how u even get similar (much better in fact) results with excalibur

[sonic ember]

of all the rooms to die in, it was the second room of styx

[drifting robin]

You might not want to use arthur to get a good time

[limber cloak]

crits and heart rend

[drifting robin]

Eris, demeter are considered S tier speedrun weapons

[dense remnant]

why demeter?

cause of heart rend on special?

[drifting robin]

Merciful end

[dense remnant]

oh

[drifting robin]

yeah

Its good

[sonic ember]

oh yeah @dense remnant i got the build right. three shotted pretty much every boss

wanted to see hades but died to satyrs

[drifting robin]

rip

[dense remnant]

nice

[drifting robin]

My suggestion is watch a lot of speedruns. That helped me a lot

[dense remnant]

and unlucky

oh, im still at low heat, but I got curious

[sonic ember]

i was relying on it being a two sack but

[drifting robin]

Also it takes a lot of time.

[brazen nest]

Does speedrun tech translate to casual? It's not the case in every game

[dense remnant]

i'll definitely give ME a try

[limber cloak]

watching haelian's overexplained videos is very helpful

[drifting robin]

Like if you get unlucky in tartarus you ahve to resut

*reset

[limber cloak]

watching that man in general is very helpful

[drifting robin]

Watch lili's eris speedrun

[limber cloak]

it doesnt. it recommend you to just clear the game/get comfortable with every weapon, then start speedrunning

[drifting robin]

And for pact conditions you normally want extreme measures 2 and forced overtime 2

[drifting robin]

Yeah thats a very good idea

[limber cloak]

keep in mind while watching that speedrun, that lili is a french cyborg

he's not a human

[drifting robin]

haha

[dense remnant]

i wanna get good at high heat first, then speedrun, but i imagine improving clear times basically means ur playing better

[limber cloak]

(im not joking)

[limber cloak]

id actually recommend doing the opposite really

[dense remnant]

I can see that as well

[limber cloak]

high heat without getting good clear times will teach you more to be slow and careful (which you should be, too)

but still, most speedruns are just being very aggressive and close up

[drifting robin]

If you are not comfortable with Forced overtime 2 then do forced overtime 1

[dense remnant]

get really fast first by speed running, cause high heat sort of forces u to be fast

[drifting robin]

not really

[limber cloak]

read lili's eris guide too, that literally outlines the entire build and play style of eris for speedrunning

[drifting robin]

yeah that is very helpful

[dense remnant]

is FO2 viable for every weapon?

[limber cloak]

if youre good enough at the game yeah

[fervent elbow]

Yes

[drifting robin]

Depends on how good you are at the game

[dense remnant]

I wouldn't call myself good, but I can get there

[drifting robin]

If you are runnign eris it should not be that hard because of how quickly you delete people

They are dead before they even spawn

(eris gang)

[dense remnant]

i love the bow, but i'll definitely try high heat with every weapon a bunch

[limber cloak]

by the way, those specific pact settings are used because

a: FO2 makes enemies spawn faster
b: em2 makes it so that the lernie heads are grouped together, making them easier to kill with aoe stuff

[limber cloak]

this

[brazen nest]

Extreme measures 1 is the easiest heat

[drifting robin]

Yup

[drifting robin]

TD

[dense remnant]

i thought it was TD

[brazen nest]

TD?

[drifting robin]

Yeah it is

[limber cloak]

tight deadline

[dense remnant]

tight deadline

[drifting robin]

Tight deadline

[spiral badge]

It is, but em1 isn’t far behind

[brazen nest]

Oh, the time clear?

[limber cloak]

though some people take like 40 mins to clear

and thats fine, they play at their own pace

[full snow]

Yeah.... I'm slow. XD I never take TD

[drifting robin]

Em is sorta hard when you start but easy heat when you move to higher heat

[brazen nest]

I'm used to taking 45 minutes to clear

Specially with hades and theseus

[drifting robin]

Huh

I just kinda wham them and they die

[dense remnant]

most of my runs are sub-20, but im still stuck at that range, haven't gotten below 15

[full snow]

I've done it for the achievement and I probably could take it more often, but I'm just chicken. 😂

[brazen nest]

But I want to go through the heat conditions to get the prophecy

[drifting robin]

That is good that most of your runs are sub 20

[full snow]

I'm consistently around 24-27ish. Gun and bow take me notably longer.

[limber cloak]

yeah if youre comfortably getting sub 20, sub 15 would be easy enough once you get into speedrunning

atleast it was for me

[brazen nest]

My best time was with zag shield now heat and it was 35 minutes

I'm super slow

[drifting robin]

For higher heat you need to put on atleast td2

[drifting robin]

oof

[dense remnant]

bow is my fastest @full snow

xD

[limber cloak]

td3 gang babyy

[proven osprey]

High heat forces you to clear efficiently

otherwise you just die

[brazen nest]

I run from theseus untill minotaur is dead

[drifting robin]

Well how do you kill the minotaur if you are runnning

[full snow]

What is the timer for TD1?

[drifting robin]

9 min

[brazen nest]

Hit and run

Jab, run like hell, jab, repeat

[drifting robin]

When he is pausing whale on him

[dense remnant]

i've never had a clear that took over 33mins, but at the same time i wiped a lot, cause i play aggressively

even when i was first learning the game

[drifting robin]

same

My first clear was 24 min

[dense remnant]

my first clear was at the 40th attempt lmao

[limber cloak]

td1 is 9 mins per biome (so 9 mins for tartarus, 9 mins for asphodel etc)

[brazen nest]

My first was under 20 attempts

[limber cloak]

so 36 mins in total

[drifting robin]

wow

Oops

[limber cloak]

replied to the wrong message lol

[dense remnant]

my first clear was 26mins, my 2nd was 22 and i didn't beat it for a while, until i learned the game better

[drifting robin]

Mine was at around my 35th attempt