h1-builds-and-combat

[spiral badge]

Dash attacking is just verifiably more optimal for playing well

[gusty rapids]

cruel thrust is one of the better sword hammers SOLELY for the fact that it doesnt ruin your build

[hidden fable]

I definitely know it's not good but I need to mix it up every so often

[gusty rapids]

but you shouldnt see it being used if the sword is being played properly unfortunately

[spiral badge]

Playing better*

Nemesis still slays with that hammer, dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[proven osprey]

Properly

[spiral badge]

properly*

[proven osprey]

that's mean to Retrash, god of Zagius

[abstract flower]

What are the optimal hammers on Nemesis?

[spiral badge]

Twin dash attack all day long

[gusty rapids]

double edge

[proven osprey]

double edge or riot

[gusty rapids]

by far

[spiral badge]

Whatever else for flavor

[gusty rapids]

after that, its piercing wave and breaching slash

but its like

dedge >>>>>>>>> wave / breaching >>>>> everything else

dedge is just so good that retrash seeded for a dedge start in his 57 nem runs i think

[serene zealot]

Piercing wave seems useful on any sword aspect, right?

[proven osprey]

it's more damage so you can take it

[gusty rapids]

piercing wave is fine but im pretty sure it doesnt scale with anything

its like always 30, no matter what attack boon you have

[spiral badge]

I can’t work out how piercing wave isn’t d-tier for the life of me 🙈

[gusty rapids]

which is like

whatever

[hidden fable]

It's probably worse on Arthur

[spiral badge]

It just seems so 1-dimensional. And it’s a bad dimension

[gusty rapids]

again it wont hurt your build so by default its one of the better sword hammers lmao

[spiral badge]

Lollllllll

[serene zealot]

Ah

That's what I figured

[gusty rapids]

sword just does not have many good hammer options lmao

[spiral badge]

Daily reminder that World Splitter exists

[gusty rapids]

CHOP

[spiral badge]

For when you want to play Bad Arthur

[sand cape]

Cursed slash is only amazing if you have any good defense option and or flurry slash

[spiral badge]

I love cursed slash irrationally I dont care how bad it is

[serene zealot]

I had to take that for the prophecy, it sucked

[sand cape]

I remember running cursed and flurry with athenas aid and legendary

[spiral badge]

nice

[serene zealot]

Cursed slash wasn't as bad

[sand cape]

By the time I took damage I had aid to just use it and wack my way to full health

But overall no hammer feels like it is that good

Nothing like getting triple bomb with rail or relentless with chiron at least

[gusty rapids]

double edge makes me pog every time

it is the only sword hammer

[spiral badge]

Is double edge affected by the double special glitch?

Or do the two proc together or close enough not to matter?

Like how you can accidentally cancel the double special by dashing again too soon

[gusty rapids]

wdym

how would dedge be affected by that

[sand cape]

Dashing to soon making double edge a single edge he means

[gusty rapids]

uhh im pretty sure thats only for special

if your dash strike hits an enemy, it will hit twice

with double edge

no cancelling that one im pretty sure

[serene zealot]

Why would you want too anyway?

It's not that slow to come out

[sand cape]

You don't, that's why it isn't important to know it won't happen

[serene zealot]

Ah, fair point

[sand cape]

Like how Arthur special gets cancel if you don't let it start properly

Talking of glitches I miss the beta when you could charge a chaos shield special and fire it while charging the next attack (basically fire your special while blocking )

[arctic leaf]

I s run Arthur twice and it is the sword that makes the most sense to me.

And cursed slash feels really good to me with it.

[sand cape]

Problem is some boons suck a lot with Arthur

Like hangover

[arctic leaf]

But some are amazing.

[sand cape]

But high damage % is amazing

Crits of 2000 with Artemis are no joke

[arctic leaf]

Arty attack and aphro special

With divine dash for exposed.

[sand cape]

I have to say Artemis boons are very versatile

[arctic leaf]

Agreed.

I also really like frost strike Arthur b

[sand cape]

And divine dash is single handed the best dash and probably the most taken boon ever

[arctic leaf]

Slow is a good thing with Arthur b

[sand cape]

And to think "mirage shot" used to be a regular Artemis boon

Basically no reason not to take Artemis

[arctic leaf]

I also really like that I can prime up my big swing and dash into it.

Hits half the screen for 2k

Each

Add cursed slash and I gain 10 health while wiping the board clean.

At least I assume it’s per hit.

[frigid barn]

Triple rocket rail is best rail
you can't change my mind

[drifting robin]

I like splash dash better

[frigid barn]

And yeah, pretty sure I've never passed on Divine Dash

Or replaced it

[sand cape]

Carpet bomb with rocket bomb and just shotgun the special

But nothing beats getting relentless and concentrated volley on chiron

[frigid barn]

For real

My best runs are always Coronacht/Chiron and those two are just OP as all get-out

[opal lodge]

cluster rocket is just better

[frigid barn]

Throw on an Artemis special and you're just slamming the whole way

[drifting robin]

The best bow aspect is probably rama or hera

Chiron is fun but not the best

[sand cape]

Hera is ok but I wish it worked more like the final shield aspect

Some casts seem to miss for no reason

[drifting robin]

I like hera better than beowulf

[sand cape]

Me too, with some casts more than others

But chiron is just way easier to make work

[frigid barn]

I had a pretty epic time with Beowulf + Sudden Rush + Power Rush + Broseidon attack

Absolutely ruined stuff

[gusty rapids]

i like beowulf a lot personally

[sand cape]

I like shield with the hammer that turns your bull rush into a shot

[gusty rapids]

but it only works really well with a few casts

which is unfort

[spiral badge]

I want to like beowulf

[sand cape]

It is thick bow before rama was a thing

[spiral badge]

But I don't feel like I'm ever playing it how it was meant to be played

[frigid barn]

Beowulf gets pretty technical because of how slow it makes you

[drifting robin]

Idk like beowulf bcs of the delay

[spiral badge]

I hate sacrificing mobility in games like this

[drifting robin]

Like after you bull rush there is like a small delay and then it fires the cast

[spiral badge]

Mobility is so powerful across the board in roguelikes

[gusty rapids]

how does beowulf sacrifice mobility

[frigid barn]

The charge is slower

[spiral badge]

You can't tell me it flows as smoothly to operate as fists or even zag shield, say

[gusty rapids]

i would absolutely say it does

[spiral badge]

There is a marked gap in input response between the two I contend

[gusty rapids]

i dont feel any sort of clunkiness or lag when using beowulf once i got some practice with it

[spiral badge]

Again though, I confess to not understanding beo, let alone mastering it

[gusty rapids]

it feels much smoother than zag shield to me, for example, but that is because i havent put in many runs with zag shield

beo just takes some practice, like most hidden aspects

[spiral badge]

Like rama makes sense to me as a slow aspect

[frigid barn]

For sure; none of the hiddens are "ezmode"

[spiral badge]

I can even wrap my head around GY somewhat

[opal lodge]

they just play differently

[spiral badge]

But beo and Arthur particularly elude me

[gusty rapids]

like beowulf you just need to adjust to making extremely small bull rushes

[opal lodge]

beo gameplay is smooth in a different way than zag shield gameplay

[gusty rapids]

as opposed to the other shields

[opal lodge]

zag shield gameplay has really low cd time on animations

[gusty rapids]

beo feels extremely smooth to me

tbh

[spiral badge]

That's what I like and prize

[opal lodge]

beo has tight windows between animations where you are pretty committed

[spiral badge]

Animations with low cd

For flexibility of motion

[opal lodge]

well

hmm

[spiral badge]

Probably why I like fists best

[opal lodge]

theres a lot of things on beo you can do to mitigate CD time

[drifting robin]

Charged shot +pierced butterfly

[gusty rapids]

the way i think of beowulf is less as a shield and more like

a straight up nuke

[opal lodge]

yee

[spiral badge]

Indeed, that's a good way of thinking lol

[gusty rapids]

you still do have a giant shield to hide behind when you need safety tho

which is neat

[arctic leaf]

Beo feels weird to me because I’m still not used to sitting still.

[gusty rapids]

i think once i got a hang of the dash strike -> bullrush -> repeat sequence with beo

and loading casts midrush

it got muuuuch smoother

[arctic leaf]

You gotta add some sustain onto your dash attack and then let it rip.

[gusty rapids]

i dont think you should be doing anything other than dash striking or bullrushing with beo

the special and standing attack are just bad

[arctic leaf]

And that’s where I falter

I struggle getting into rhythm with keeping my attack held.

[frigid barn]

I hear ya there. It's not your usual run. It'd be hell with Tight Deadline.

[opal lodge]

hmm

beowulf?

[arctic leaf]

Yeah.

[opal lodge]

beowulf doesnt have deadline issues until ultra high heat

try sticking to dash strikes and bull rushes like croven mentioned

the special can be good if you get charged flight and dread flight

[gusty rapids]

yeah beowulf is one of the fastest weapons in the game, its just that it takes practice to be able to play it fast

[sand cape]

Tight deadlines used to be extra tight

[arctic leaf]

And use casts that stick the stone into the enemy.

[sand cape]

Back in beta, left over time from previous areas didn't count

[opal lodge]

beowulf cant embed stones

[arctic leaf]

Don’t want to wait for those big casts to cooldown.

[sand cape]

Even clearing Elysium with 9 mins was a drag

[arctic leaf]

I understand it won’t embed the stones, but trippy flare and slicing shot have an AoE that has to run it’s course.

[gusty rapids]

yeah

slicing flare is just bad

trippy flare you need to use stygian with

[opal lodge]

tbh the only one i run stygian on is trippy

[gusty rapids]

and pray chaos blesses you

[opal lodge]

if i run slicing flare im still running infernal

the duration is quite short

[gusty rapids]

if i run slicing flare i simply dont run slicing flare

[opal lodge]

lol

true

[arctic leaf]

Does beo with tempest shot knock back triple the distance?

You could launch folks in asphodel.

Does it stack the knock back damages?

That would be fun too.

[sand cape]

All fun until a witch ends over lava

[gusty rapids]

no it only knocks back after the last cast has been exploded

[arctic leaf]

Kinda tough chasing down stones though.

[sand cape]

And refuse to move

[gusty rapids]

so you could load like 3 casts and it'll knock back once

[arctic leaf]

That sounds depressing.

[gusty rapids]

no its really useful

it lets all ur casts hit the enemy

[coarse moss]

if i run beo with dio cast i still prefer infernal tbh. in the span of 10 secs you could potentially cast 6 times. if you went with stygian, in the span of 10 secs you only cast 3 times.

[gusty rapids]

if they all knocked back, you wouldnt be able to hit enemies multiple times

i mean with stygian beo you kinda need extra casts from chaos

which is what really gets the build going

[coarse moss]

thats also great with infernal. i think stygian's only benefit is not running after stones, which is nice for weapons that dont spam cast very much

[opal lodge]

from a "just clear" context infernal dio may be fine

you just lose too much time in asphodel/elysium with it which is why speedrunners use stygian when they run dio

[coarse moss]

hmm i see

[vale imp]

I prefer stygian on Beo trippy because with 1 extra cast, i can be constantly casting

It's easy to get in a rhythm where while 1 cast is firing off, the other one will finish recharging

of course this requires getting an extra cast stone which sometimes just doesn't happen

[gusty rapids]

yeah dio beo is a bit of a highroll for that reason

[vale imp]

i can get all the parts sort of semi consistently now by asphodel

but still is a lil dependent on rng

[arctic leaf]

Haven’t played around enough with it yet. Still using the dark weapon. Two more upgrades needed to max.

[bronze marten]

How does dad keepsake interact with smoldering air? If capped at 25 percent do I not get to use it at all (still leveling up the keepsake)

[strange lark]

i think that it would be capped at one level

[half crater]

it doesn't work, apparently

smouldering air just doesn't do anything in that situation

sigil doesn't count as a prereq for it anyway, so the only way you can set that up is if you have another call, sell it, then switch keepsakes

[spiral badge]

Hot take smouldering air shouldn’t have a cap or it should at least be 50%

[half crater]

smouldering air is already really good

[spiral badge]

Would that really be out of line though

I’m not denying it’s already useful, but s-tiers for the s-tier god

I think the 50% would be a big functionality buff for idiots like me who dont check their call meter enough without being too out there

I just get delusions because the devs decide things like scint feast, hunting blades, heart rend and ME are on the board so I guess restraint is a relative term in this game lol

[vale imp]

i would actually say Smouldering air is S-tier

depending on the Call of course

[spiral badge]

Call dependent but with the right one def

[vale imp]

but having a call basically ever 3-4 secs is amazing

[spiral badge]

Some suffer more than others with it. aphros own probably the most ironically

[vale imp]

it's ok, i find Charm more useful than others though haha

[spiral badge]

Yeah being able to charm-stun hades is a nice get out of jail free card, I’ll concede that

[vale imp]

i like making Asterius and Theseus hit each other

[spiral badge]

lol

[bronze marten]

Pretty much every call benefits. I had so much fun with Poseidon call smoldering air and athena is basically a star in Mario kart that lasts the whole run

[viral star]

genuinely considering getting my darkness back so i can underlevel stygian soul and make ravenous will do DAMAGE

[vale imp]

Artemis and Athena call probably benefit the least

since they're both more focused on getting the Greater Call

[viral star]

Not so much for Athena, Athena smoldering air is great

Aphrodite for sure though

Sad you can't use it with dad anymore

[bronze marten]

Just get in the habit of using your cast

That 50 p boost to damage to bad guys with a shard in them is why

[viral star]

i run double forced overtime bro it's not so easy on higher heat

[bronze marten]

I found it to be the opposite if I forget to use casts Ill usually lose to em4

[cloud vault]

Smoldering Air and Billowing Strength is bonkers

[lime pivot]

What do you prefer Concentrated fire or
continuous fire for the first hammer?

For Chiron

[cloud vault]

Concentrated

Relentless volley is very good too but Concentrated is usually better

Artemis special in particular you want Conc

[lime pivot]

Okay thanks

[austere yarrow]

Yo, recently got my first escape and short thereafter my second. I only seem to be able to do it with dio+ares as main DMG. What are some other strong combos that you guys can recommend?

[spiral badge]

Broad question there

Which weapons are we working with here?

[austere yarrow]

I need first clear on everything except fists, so every weapon except fists? If the question is too broad, is there any website where one easily can find the info?

[spiral badge]

No no it’s fine

It’s just important to build appropriate boons around weapons and vise versa

Off the bat I can tell you Zeus is s-tier for rail attack, Artemis for bow attack, lots and lots of choices for sword spear and shield

Aphrodite is great almost anywhere you find her

Athena is the utility god for sure. If you ever see Athena dash it’s an insta pick for you until further notice

Faster hitting weapons in general like curse based gods like Zeus, Dio, Demeter and aphro in a sense

The exception is ares, which is a curse god who should go on slow hitting attacks or spray and pray attacks

Slower hitting larger damage weapons like gods with % buffs, like Aphrodite Artemis Athena and Demeter

[cunning urchin]

A new <@&737365219982049411> will be posted in just a moment with a very special collaboration.

[spiral badge]

For attack. Special is a slightly different bag. Though Aphrodite cheats and leads virtually every % damage class she’s in

[sinful niche]

[austere yarrow]

Tyvm for the help! @spiral badge

[compact fable]

@cunning urchin I need to get into this game 🤓 so excited! 🥳

[mighty ermine]

2021 Challenge
Do a barrel roll!

For this Hades challenge, I've decided to introduce a more... cumulative element into the mix. All weapon aspects and mirror configurations are welcome, but now your run must "barrel-roll" (read: to one-up or surpass) the last submitted run prior to your own! All players, new and experienced, are encouraged to participate! If you'd like tips on how to approach raising the heat, or going faster than your peers, feel free to ask around #h1-builds-and-combat, or perhaps even #h1-high-heat-strategies if this challenge starts to get truly heated.

Conditions:
(1) To barrel-roll, submit a run that is one Heat higher than the previous submission OR a run with a faster clear time that's on the same Heat as the previous submission.
(2) The very first run submission must be at 0 Heat.
(3) God Mode is not allowed for this particular challenge.
(4) You may submit multiple runs, but you cannot barrel-roll your own runs.
(5) You may submit runs that were completed up to 24h before the previous submission was submitted.
(6) Runs before February 1, 2020 are not eligible.

You can submit your runs here. A victory screen or video is required for submission. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

If you wish to be notified of new challenges, type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge in #bot-commands

Challenge poster: https://i.imgur.com/rKxm1ze.png

[proven osprey]

AAAAAAAAAAAH

PAIN

[gusty rapids]

of course its tail posting the barrel roll challenge

of COURSE

[mighty ermine]

FOR THE RECORD it wasn't me who thought of the idea okay

[turbid needle]

someone start off with a max heat run

[gusty rapids]

tail's gonna start with his 60 heat

[proven osprey]

high heat is astaos heat+1 getting real

[gusty rapids]

and then we are all sad

[cunning urchin]

Ohhhh. First submission's gotta be 0 Heat!

[turbid needle]

ah

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine can you add that.

[mighty ermine]

sure lmao

[turbid needle]

and we can only increase by 1 each time?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[turbid needle]

cool

[rocky kettle]

Im scarred

Scared*

[turbid needle]

why not be both

[summer cliff]

faster as igt or rt?

[rocky kettle]

Scared now, scarred later

[proven osprey]

So beginners go now

[cunning urchin]

In-game time.

[proven osprey]

N O W

[turbid needle]

i can’t now :(

[proven osprey]

G O N O W

[turbid needle]

by the time i can it’s already gonna be at max heat

[cunning urchin]

What's a gonow?

[rocky kettle]

Thats what im afraid of too

[cunning urchin]

Don't worry, even Tailesque hasn't done max heat yet.

[turbid needle]

i haven’t actually cleared 4 heat yet lol

[summer cliff]

now's your chance to get past 4

[turbid needle]

yeah

[rocky kettle]

Maybe I'll skip this one, since I cant get past heat 15 lol

[proven osprey]

kinda want to do a 0 heat 80 minutes run

[summer cliff]

if you haven't gotten past a certain heat now's the time since there isn't any submissions yet

[turbid needle]

yeah i mean i definitely can do 4 heat

i just haven’t had the chance to

[proven osprey]

[turbid needle]

like a gnome but worse

[calm saddle]

DO A BARREL ROLL

[cunning urchin]

For this Hades challenge, I've decided . . .
Your words.

[summer cliff]

anyone working on it rn, I'm likely going to do a slow arthur if not

[proven osprey]

you know what I'm doing it

[calm saddle]

ofc it was tail too

LOL

[mighty ermine]

listen i have to be the quest giver here ok

don't make me change it to we

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine do a barrel roll!

Works every time.

[fervent mural]

Interesting challenge but a month is a long time so very likely we will reach 40+ heat.

[proven osprey]

just clear it faster

[fervent mural]

Ohh faster is possible too

Didn't saw that

[proven osprey]

yup

oh the heat goes up anyway

the speed challenge is not gonna last long

[cunning urchin]

There is no end date for submissions.

[fervent mural]

Well it's probably the whole february

[cunning urchin]

You could still submit a run next year if you want.

[fervent mural]

This challenge will be really hype on the last day

[cunning urchin]

If you can make it.

[fervent mural]

i think he just forgot to writ down when it will end

[proven osprey]

whispers

Nyaanyaa is actually the one who made the challenge

[fervent mural]

Well nvm

XD

[cunning urchin]

lol

m responsible for the creative side of the challenges, RidiculousHat for all the technical aspects. We collaborated with Tailesque for this one.

[dense remnant]

how do u make hestia work? reloading takes so much time

even with the shotgun hammer upgrade

[serene zealot]

Do other things while you reload, you could fire your special first or dash out of harm.

[cunning urchin]

If you're already running when you press Reload, you can keep running. If you're standing still, you can't run during the Reload. BUT in either case, you can do a Special or Cast or Dash at the same time you reload.

Most Hestia mains remap their reload button to most commonly LB/L1 if they play on pad.

[dense remnant]

am i supposed to reload after every single shot?

[cunning urchin]

Yes, for the most part.

Somewhat like a sniper rifle, you can just snipe enemies very safely from afar.

[serene zealot]

Yeah, remaping reload to LB was useful, I find it easier for any rail actually.

[dense remnant]

yeah, i've done that as well

[serene zealot]

I remember it's there more then the right stick

[cunning urchin]

Sometimes like when fighting Numbskulls for example, you might just want to hold down Attack instead.

Because they die so fast anyway.

[proven osprey]

except if you really hate them to the point of overkilling

which is fine

[serene zealot]

No one blames you there

[dense remnant]

fiery presence is a must, right?

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it's a must, but it definitely works.

[gusty rapids]

i always take fiery with hestia

its not a must but i find it better than shadow

but yeah reload after every shot unless ur against like numbskulls or flame wheels

[dense remnant]

i always use shadow (on everything else), but i figured this is worth the exception

[serene zealot]

I'd still go shadow presence, since it applies all the time and not just the first hit

But both work

[cunning urchin]

I like Shadow Presence because it makes boss fights even easier, and Hestia is already probably the best aspect for bosses.

But it's still good for bosses with Fiery Presence.

[dense remnant]

it is? because u can play it slow? poke and run?

[gusty rapids]

in my experience u just have an incredible amount of range so u can play extremely safely

even with like TD3

[cunning urchin]

Because it's extremely mobile, yeah. Your damage comes from super quick shots with amazing range.

[gusty rapids]

its just a very safe weapon all around

that still hits like a truck

[cunning urchin]

You don't really have to stand still or get close to any enemy.

[dense remnant]

what are good hammer upgrades for hestia? u guys seem to be almost exclusively talking non-shotgun here

[gusty rapids]

ricochet fire and piercing fire in that order

im a big fan of hazard bomb but that may be personal preference

[cunning urchin]

I'll take Piercing Fire over Ricochet Fire lol.

[gusty rapids]

id take ricochet over piercing myself

[cunning urchin]

But yeah they're both good, Explosive Fire is nice, too.

[gusty rapids]

but i can see that

they're both really good

explosive is good if u cant get the other 2 yeah

targeting system also nice

[cunning urchin]

Piercing Fire deletes armor and Greatshields because your shots become unblockable.

[gusty rapids]

yeah thts super useful

[serene zealot]

What about seeking fire or explosive fire?

[dense remnant]

when i see big numbers i always think "crit time", but since ur playing so slowly (in my head) what are good Attack boons?

[cunning urchin]

Explosive Fire is nice.

[gusty rapids]

seeking doesnt affect hestia's empowered shot other than giving it a 10% damage bonus i think

its like

fine

if everything else sucks

artemis is the best attack

[serene zealot]

So take it if the rest of the options are bad but that's it

[gusty rapids]

scales really well with hunters mark, and battle rage if you can get it

also pp good

[cunning urchin]

I've been told you get minimal homing on your Empowered Shot if you take Seeking Fire, but I can't say I've really noticed it myself.

[gusty rapids]

i havent seen it either

seeking is a very whatever hammer

there are no actually bad hammers for hestia tho which is nice

[cunning urchin]

+10% on Hestia's Power Shot is +15 damage anyway, so it least it does something if your other hammer options are bad.

[gusty rapids]

just ones that dont do anything

yeah exactly

it does something

[cunning urchin]

Spread Fire does practically nothing most of the time, and the same goes for Delta Chamber.

[serene zealot]

Which makes it better then nothing but not the ideal pick

[gusty rapids]

i always have a weird place in my heart for delta chamber on hestia bc like 20 of my high heat runs with AP2 forced me into it

so i have a dumb amount of runs with that on hestia LOL

[opal lodge]

how does this work then

if i get a sub 7 9 heat will a 10 heat run override it

[gusty rapids]

i think so

[opal lodge]

dang

[gusty rapids]

owned

[proven osprey]

it's better that way

Separate leaderboards would have been like the high heat sheet we already have or speedrunning in general

[mighty ermine]

lol it's centered mostly around the heat rising over time, and the faster time component is kind of extra for folks who might struggle with heat or want to surpass the previous run in a different way

lil more variety

[opal lodge]

fair fair

what happens if two different runs surpass the best posted one

[mighty ermine]

i guess they could both be valid and the faster one, if submitted after the slower one, would be the current top one then

depends on how timely players are with submitting their victory screens

[cunning urchin]

Also if somebody beats you to e.g. a 4 Heat submission, BUT your 4 Heat submission is faster, well, you win.

[opal lodge]

i can get us started with a 6 heat 8:44 zag fists

[mighty ermine]

mr bright may i direct you to rule number ONE

(1) The very first run submission must be at 0 Heat.

[proven osprey]

git gud

[opal lodge]

well

[proven osprey]

oh that one

ok

[opal lodge]

this may be the hardest step

i have not completed a 0 heat run since last month

for sea storm rama

with 10 gods

[mighty ermine]

lmao

[opal lodge]

are you strimmin this week then btw

[mighty ermine]

yeah i think so

[opal lodge]

pog

[mighty ermine]

i know i said that for last week and i promise i'm not trying to sound like i've flaked on it

[opal lodge]

i believe you

🤡

[mighty ermine]

got more than 8gb ram, upgrading my comp a little

LOL

[cunning urchin]

Tailesque probably doing a 0 Heat run as we speak and holding off just to post it immediately after the first person posts their run all happy they were first.

[mighty ermine]

i would never

[proven osprey]

I was trying to make a 80 min one

[cunning urchin]

20+ of your victims in #h1-high-heat-strategies say otherwise.

[proven osprey]

and I got 3 Aphrodite boons with fated authority

it's just sad

[mighty ermine]

astaos out here setting the lowest possible bar

[cunning urchin]

He's a good sport.

(Also he's actually trying hard. This is him trying hard.)

[proven osprey]

But there's noway I submit without disciple of Aphrodite right

And by the time I reset someone would have submitted something

[proven osprey]

That was too good to be true

[cunning urchin]

I guess that would mean you got barrel-rolled.

[proven osprey]

Yeah

Which is pretty rough for the first run

[cunning urchin]

Barrel-rolled at 0 Heat.

[proven osprey]

What a gamer right

[summer cliff]

has anyone submitted yet?

[cunning urchin]

Nope~!

[proven osprey]

Here they come

[cunning urchin]

That's what I've come to expect of you.

[proven osprey]

Hey

It hurts

[cunning urchin]

Hmm?

m just motivating contestants.

Looks like @summer cliff has barrel-rolled their 0 Heat competition with the first submission. 🦊

Good job!

[summer cliff]

the time is 18:07.39 igt you can definitely beat that if you try, even if you're new

[proven osprey]

80 min dream over

[summer cliff]

dang sorry

[cunning urchin]

You can do 80 min at 1 Heat lol.

Or can you?

[proven osprey]

it's ok, I'll do a higher heat 80 min to be safe

[proven osprey]

I can do 8:31 at 9 heat

[cunning urchin]

Well.

There is an 8 in that.

But no 0.

Failed.

[proven osprey]

9 harder than 0

[summer cliff]

increment of 1 heat

[tacit thicket]

whats everyone go to build for the Guan Yu aspect of Varatha? i always do well in the beginning but super struggle near the end and havent been able to get out of Elysium with it yet.

[proven osprey]

There are a lot of options. I like the classic charged skewer build : Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish into heard rend.

[split echo]

Is beowulf aspect just bad

Or am I missing some key components

I find it very stiff

And the casts often miss the target, especially the moving ones

Because they are casted where you stop

Not where you hit the enemy

[terse mist]

is god mode allowed for this challenge?

[proven osprey]

It's a really strong aspect : try Poseidon/Aphrodite/Dionysus casts @split echo

[split echo]

I tried with Dio cast

[proven osprey]

stygian cast is a good option too

with dio

[split echo]

It almost never hits the target

Because I don’t just dash into enemy right? I need to wait for the right moment

[proven osprey]

you want to dash in them

[split echo]

And that means I often charge into them at full distance

So I often charge beyond where they are

[proven osprey]

open up with a dash strike, then bullrush at melee

try to get your enemies close to each other

[mighty ermine]

that's a very good question. for this 2021 challenge, god mode isn't allowed, so we can keep everything consistent across runs that get faster times or higher heat. this is intended to get to a point where it's very difficult, and god mode would skew some results

[terse mist]

makes sense. you can go ahead and delete my submission then, since i used god mode

[mighty ermine]

sorry we didn't make that clear in the initial post

i'll add that

[proven osprey]

@terse mist we can coach you to become a god gamer tho

[terse mist]

lol

[quaint rivet]

Man the sword hammer that gives you health back on attacks is really fun. Encourages a rush-in play style

[terse mist]

i started a new file recently with the intention of not using god mode at all. was surprised to find that i was doing way better in my first attempts on it than i was compared to my first file

[proven osprey]

well you learned, definitely

[coarse moss]

dont charge too long, release as soon as the marker reach an enemy

[terse mist]

yeah! it was a nice feeling for sure

made it to hades in 6 attempts i think compared to about 40 my first time playing

[cunning urchin]

You did it once, you can do it again!

[terse mist]

:D

ill still try and participate in the challenge for sure

[brazen nest]

hello friends, new to hades, but just beat the big bad, lol, now i want to farm titan blood for the aspects, which ones should i prioritize? i've seen good things about chiron bow, chaos shield, hades spear, arthur sword

[plush fog]

guan yu can be fun, but only at max level

[spiral badge]

Which weapon do you connect with most so far?

All weapons have great aspects and cheap aspects and cheap great aspects. It’s a matter of prioritizing what speaks to you

[willow fossil]

Yeah find the one you have the most fun

Focus on that

[spiral badge]

You’ll get them all eventually. Rather than spread them out I recommend you start off with buying yourself at least 1 maxed out aspect of some kind to be your Old Reliable for learning the game at a deeper level and for starting to ratchet up heat for more rewards. Preferably a Zagreus aspect of some kind for your first purchase, they are the cheapest to max out at 5 blood

[willow fossil]

Zags bow and fists are tasty

Fav weapons

So basic yet so good

[plush fog]

Chiron bow is the truly nasty bow tho

[spiral badge]

Zag shield is a great intro weapon too

Very basic move set, easy to pick up and play

Zag rail is very forgiving for 5 blood too

[willow fossil]

I dislike chiron bow, because it makes the game seem so easy

[daring turtle]

Rama is such a powerhouse, it's my favorite weapon, followed by GY

[spiral badge]

Honestly all the zag aspects except Spear are value MVPs

If you really love spear save up for Achilles first lol

And maaaaybe nemesis first for sword. Maybe.

[cunning urchin]

I would like to agree with that, but my best clear time ended up being with Zag Spear, so I can't.

[spiral badge]

Lol

Let that be a good example that even among weapons that are all good and effective, one of them has to be the worst somewhere. There really aren’t bad weapons in this game

Unless cursed slash Arthur counts 😂

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur with Cursed Slash is really good.

[spiral badge]

No way

How

I see that swing rate and cringe

[daring turtle]

I used it once - I found it pretty good. Despite its slower swing rate, with the damage resist from its special, plus other damage resist boons, you easily heal back all damage done to you

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that ^.

[spiral badge]

Well I’ll be. All kinds of builds have a place I guess. I’ll have to try that if I can sometime

[brazen nest]

Well, bow and shield are my preferred, hit and run and all

I beat hades with lvl1 chiron and a chill/turret build

I have chiron lvl1 and hades spear lvl1

I have 4 blood to spare now, iirc

I'm thinking of going shield

[terse mist]

heck yeah

chaos shield is really fun

[spiral badge]

Both shield and bow have really, really strong zag aspects

I would start with one of those 👍🏻

Shield is probably the more consistent performer, but zag bow can get nuts with hammers

Consistent isn’t even the right word. Pump 4 blood into one of the other of those and don’t look back. You won’t regret it

[proven osprey]

Zag aspects can be a lot of fun too and the blood cost is low

[drifting robin]

The fists

And bow

[spiral badge]

rimshot

Oh, I thought that was a punch connecting joke

For fists zag aspect is a great, if plain starter and a peanut butter-jelly pairing with Hermès keepsake

[drifting robin]

I dont love chiron as much as other people bcs you get stuck in the special animation for quite a bi

*bit

[spiral badge]

There’s also talos which is among the one blood wonders of the game and my personal favorite weapon

[drifting robin]

But it is so much fun

[terse mist]

:D

[spiral badge]

Grapple hook brotherhood strong

[drifting robin]

DEMM FISTS ALL THE WAY

[spiral badge]

Dem fists are very nice too

[terse mist]

i do enjoy a good dem fist

[spiral badge]

Definitely the optimal fist choice

[terse mist]

optimal shmoptimal

[spiral badge]

Yeah I’m with you

[terse mist]

i prefer to yoink my enemies all across the chamber

[drifting robin]

Merc end + dem fists is one of the most fun builds Ive ever had

[spiral badge]

Hell with that. I want to rip and tear with my grapple hook

[terse mist]

talos fists + posideon special is really really fun

yoyo build

[drifting robin]

I like those chonky special shots

[spiral badge]

Back and forth and baaaaaa-oops he’s dead

[terse mist]

exactly

[spiral badge]

If there’s a more visceral joy in the game than talos fists and aphro cast I’ve yet to find it

[terse mist]

huh, ive never been a big fan of aphro cast

[spiral badge]

Maaaaaybe some of the nuttier zag bow or Rama runs I’ve had

[terse mist]

i suppose it would work well after yoinking an enemy close to you

[spiral badge]

Absolutely

[drifting robin]

Zag fists are so much fun as well

[spiral badge]

What better place to put a shotgun than right under their chin

[drifting robin]

With hermes keepsake it makes the game so much more fast paced

Bcs your nervously sweating the whole time

[terse mist]

dodge build + vengeful mood is always nice

[drifting robin]

Rn Im at 27 % dodge entering styx

[terse mist]

nice nice

[drifting robin]

I also got the aphro legendary by accident so thats cool

[spiral badge]

Eternally cosplaying doomguy in my head rampaging through hell with talos fists and aphro cast

[drifting robin]

I just watched the minotaur bash theseus head off

Also got her call

[terse mist]

how could you

[drifting robin]

So this is turning into a charm based run lmao

[terse mist]

youve violated their scared brotherly bonds

[spiral badge]

Theseus is going to be taking sulking lessons from Patroclus for months

[obsidian kite]

Woooo second EM4 clear, this time I had Guan Yu with Ares/Aphrodite duo, lv6 Ares attack, Dire Misfortune for stacking doom, and Hades call b/c once again I got to Styx without having a call

[spiral badge]

You monster

[obsidian kite]

Hades absolutely melted

I didn't even die

[terse mist]

lv6 ares attack 👀

[spiral badge]

Very important, that part ^^^^^

[terse mist]

did you pom anything else?

[obsidian kite]

Lv 4 aphrodite special

[spiral badge]

Niiiice

[obsidian kite]

lv 2 positive outlook (barely even needed it) and lv 3 sweet surrender

[drifting robin]

Also got the poseidon/aphro duo

[spiral badge]

I don’t even care about ares aphro duo damage. It keeps PS on for entire boss fights and that’s ok with me

[obsidian kite]

oh I also got +25 fountain boost

[terse mist]

do you guys normally sink your poms into one or two boons or try to spread them out?

[spiral badge]

Depends

[obsidian kite]

I generally spread them out

[drifting robin]

Whenever the pom isnt doing much, I focus on another boon

[spiral badge]

Outside of the exceptions I try to invest a max of 3 usually

Unless I get bad rng and just focus one down by accident

[terse mist]

that makes sense

[spiral badge]

But with Dio damage and PP, can’t stop won’t stop

[terse mist]

ok yeah hard agree on dio damage

hangover stacks so well

[spiral badge]

Yeah. Those two are the exceptions to the Pom rule. Maybe one or 2 others I’m forgetting

[arctic leaf]

Normally I’ll catch one or two early poms to stack them. Usually avoid poms after furies

And I’ll go again in Styx if I have nothing else to spend on

[spiral badge]

If you’re confident in the heart of the cards moms keepsake is worth a hell of a lot if you carry it a full run

[obsidian kite]

I'll take pom blossom if I get lucky with boons early on

even if I don't keep it the full run

[spiral badge]

I usually slap her on and leave her there for my cruising difficulty runs

[obsidian kite]

usually I want spearpoint or acorn or something for Elysium and Styx

[spiral badge]

One less thing to think about

The only counter to that is moms blossom is best in Styx

But I get your reservation

[terse mist]

yeah that makes sense to me too

[spiral badge]

It can be dangerous

[arctic leaf]

Yeah. Mom blossom in Styx is nice.

[obsidian kite]

well this is only my second EM4 clear

so once I get more confident fighting EM Hades I'll probably switch off

[terse mist]

mom blossom is nice when i feel like tossing myself to the wind and crusing wherever rng takes me

[spiral badge]

100%ing Styx with mom blossom is probably worth elysium and asphodel combined lol

[arctic leaf]

At the same time, you got loads of boons and no good way to direct the Pom

[spiral badge]

Yeah exactly

[arctic leaf]

I kind of love spear point with Arthur

[spiral badge]

Spear point is good, don’t let anyone hate on it

Especially in Styx

A worthy counterpart to acorn I say

[arctic leaf]

I do think it doesn’t get the proper love.

[obsidian kite]

really useful vs Theseus + Asterius

they can do a ton of fast damage

maybe less needed vs Hades b/c his big hits are slower so you usually don't get hit more than once at a time

[spiral badge]

It also gives you a bootleg autoblock on hades lasers lol

[arctic leaf]

Lasers, mobs, urns, exploding skulls

Those are the things that take my acorn hits.

And I usually take more than 5

[abstract flower]

What is a good aspect to learn how to use the stygian blade effectively?

[willow fossil]

Nemesis honestly

[turbid needle]

dash attack dash attack special repeat works excellently with nemesis

[robust anchor]

yes i am also a big fan of nemesis

i think poseidon is also an excellent choice honestly

[abstract flower]

I assume you get Artemis's attack and dash boons?

[flat garden]

cast builds on poseidon is really nice. i am definitely not biased

[arctic leaf]

I like Arthur but it doesn’t play the same.

[robust anchor]

if you go art attack, you wanna aim for heart rend

[obsidian kite]

yeah Arthur is my favorite but it plays so differently

[robust anchor]

aph attack is also common for nemesis and you can choose between art dash or athe dash

[cunning urchin]

Mini sword guide:

Sword Combos/Technique
This section is meant to be an intro to Sword mechanics. There is far too much to go into in a single section of a guide. Hopefully soon there will be a full guide on how to use the Sword effectively, but this will give you a solid starting point.

There are 3 main attacks that we will be using on the Sword: Special, Cast, and Dash-strike. These can be tied together in various combinations depending on which enemy you are facing.

• Special -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- This is the OG sword combo. It is fast, mobile, and will deal 80/110 damage in a very short amount of time.
• Cast -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- This is the new and improved sword combo. It still does 80/110 damage, but it does it even faster.
• Cast -> Dash-strike -> Special -> Dash-strike -- This combo will very quickly tear down a Thug.
• Special -> Cast -> Dash-strike (-> Dash-strike) -- I use this combo a lot on many weapons. It adds almost no extra time to your normal combo, but it gives you an extra 50 damage.
• Special -> Immediate Dash -- Hitting the dash button immediately after specialling will cause you to dash and then special where you finish dashing. It can be incredibly useful for clearing out enemies that would otherwise interrupt your special animation, such as numbskulls or witches.

At all times, make sure you are keeping track of where you’re going next. At the end of your combos, your dash is going to be on cooldown. Few things are as annoying as realizing you’re on the wrong side of the room and your single dash is on cooldown.
Credits to Museus.

[obsidian kite]

nothing like 4 digit damage numbers

[robust anchor]

wow

[cunning urchin]

You should check out the latest pin for the new Hades Challenge, by the way, if you haven't yet.

Get on it early while the others aren't looking yet.

[brazen nest]

So, I'll go for shield then. I didn't get the hang of melee weapons yet

Best keepsake? Thanatos?

[cunning urchin]

Base shield?

[brazen nest]

I don't know if chaos or Zag yet

[plush fog]

where are the submissions posted for the challenge?

[brazen nest]

I did almost beat hades with base shield tho and crap build cause I just picked boons randomly

[robust anchor]

use keepsakes to force the gods you want

for zag shield i usually did ares special and aph attack

[brazen nest]

And didn't use the mirror correctly

Nor the keepsakes

[cunning urchin]

There's a link for the submission form in the spreadsheet. You can link a screenshot from your post in #h1-victory-boasting or any image hosting site, or you can link a video from YouTube or wherever if you have one (can also link both).

[brazen nest]

I loved demeter cast

[cunning urchin]

Spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

[brazen nest]

but pain status is OOMPH

I'll try some more and get back to you, I'll finish leveling butterfly keepsake

[cunning urchin]

Submission form is here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLWhDFQkDDiTK6ZaQt2yMLoCY5irsftNWLuq4xVR-U4auIAQ/viewform

@brazen nest I like the Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike a lot on Zag Shield. You can switch to Thunder Signet in Asphodel for Zeus' Aid and try to get their Duo Boon after that. It's really really strong.

When you're not sure or want to be open for anything, Chthonic Coin Purse is always a very good start.

[spiral badge]

So Gabriel

I will say that you have 2 great picks in zag shield and butterfly keepsake

But perhaps not together

Butterfly would be an excellent choice for a zag bow build, for instance, given what appears to be your skill level

You’ll get hit too often with shield, you want to focus on things that will directly affect your power like boons and poms

Chaos is a great shield, but is literally 3x more expensive than zag shield

And given what you’ve said so far I promise you’ll whoop some ass for 5 blood with zag shield

Fwiw

[brazen nest]

Alrite, I'll try that then and duo zeus aphrodite

[spiral badge]

Mmmmm a tasty route indeed

Make sure if you do you find a good spammable call like dio or zeus

[obsidian kite]

I might also suggest trying Zeus shield, I found that to be really good even with only the first level

[spiral badge]

To really make the duo sing

Zeus shield is also my favorite shield

[gusty rapids]

yeah zeus shield is very titan blood efficient

[spiral badge]

Like, by a lot

[obsidian kite]

yeah I got my first clear with it

[spiral badge]

But again, 15 blood vs 5

For max

[gusty rapids]

both merciful end and zeus on special work extremely well

[obsidian kite]

you don't even need to level Zeus shield

[gusty rapids]

regardless of level

[spiral badge]

Fair

I just think zag shield is a steal for the blood

[gusty rapids]

yeah lv 1 zeus shield, just slap zeus on the special and go to town

[obsidian kite]

or Ares

[spiral badge]

Thats why I like it for a rec

And yeah zeus special on zeus shield is the fun MVP of this game

Right up there with talos

Even at 1 blood, admittedly

[obsidian kite]

Zeus shield is super safe for beginners

[brazen nest]

I might exchange a ambrosia for a blood.just to get 5zag shield

[obsidian kite]

since you can just always block

[spiral badge]

Indeed

[obsidian kite]

you're not gonna need ambrosia for a while

[spiral badge]

Yeah thats a good investment

I say do it

5 blood for zag shield buys you an ak-47

A cannon on the cheap

[brazen nest]

Hhahahahahha

[obsidian kite]

you should pretty much always exchange ambrosia for blood until you start actually having uses for ambrosia

[brazen nest]

Nice

[spiral badge]

I would temper that by saying change 1 in 3 or 4 as a rule of thumb

Over your whole course of the game

[obsidian kite]

he's not gonna need ambrosia for quite a while if he's just starting out

[spiral badge]

Still a helpful return

Helpful to be able to max out companions the second you get them

Behooves you to have some spare ambrosia on hand

Meg and bouldy, for instance

Others much less so, admittedly

[brazen nest]

I'm not even able to talk with bouldy yet

[spiral badge]

Fret not

Keep gifting Sisyphus

Always gift sisyphus

Love your boulder bro

[terse mist]

bouldy’s trust is hard-earned. keep at it and someday you will prove yourself to him

[spiral badge]

❤️❤️❤️

[obsidian kite]

this is a super scuffed Chiron build lol

I have 5 different gods in my slots

but it's Chiron so it kinda doesn't matter

[terse mist]

i have a q about chiron special

if you put posideon on it

[brazen nest]

Actually I just have 4 blood

[terse mist]

would it be one big knockback or a ton of little knockbacks

[brazen nest]

So either 4zag or 1 zeus

[spiral badge]

Your choice Gabriel

If you have an ambrosia to spare for trade, this is a good enough occasion

[obsidian kite]

don't overthink it

[spiral badge]

Or just get 4

[obsidian kite]

when you're starting out the best thing to do is just play more

[spiral badge]

4 will treat you much better than 1 (but spend your next one on zeus for the lols)

I feel

[obsidian kite]

increasing your skill is going to have more of an impact than trying to optimize weapons/builds

you'll get them eventually anyway

[spiral badge]

Indeed

Preach

[brazen nest]

Ok, cool. A question though

Bull charge is affected by the boost?

[spiral badge]

No

But you will notice a big big upgrade to your smacking around effictiveness

So go unga bunga and smash fools in the face

[brazen nest]

Recapping, aphro + zeus duo and a zeus special?

[obsidian kite]

you probably aren't going to get the duo

[spiral badge]

Ummmmmmmm

I would say ares before zeus

If you like aphro

[brazen nest]

Oh, btw, I can only turn up the heat after escaping with said weapon?

[spiral badge]

Ares+aphro keeps PS on permanently

Which is big for base damage increase weapons like zag shield

No??

[brazen nest]

Ps?

[spiral badge]

After you unlock heat I think it is just available

Priveledged Status

Very important mirror perk

2 curses one

[obsidian kite]

you have to escape once with any weapon to unlock heat

[spiral badge]

I think he has, which means you should have heat pacts available for weapons you haven’t cleared with I believe??

[obsidian kite]

yes you do

[brazen nest]

Yeah, I just didn't understand properly some msg the game gave me

[spiral badge]

so have you played a SuperGiant game before

[brazen nest]

Cause I could probably beat meg with most heat settings

To Farm blood

Nope

[obsidian kite]

you can't do that

[brazen nest]

First super giant game

[spiral badge]

Heat is the latest iteration of Their Thing in difficulty systems

[obsidian kite]

you have to full clear a level before you can get more blood

[spiral badge]

Where postgame difficulty is a matter of tacking on multiple stacking difficulty modifiers

[obsidian kite]

you get darkness on repeat clears

[brazen nest]

Even with heat?

[spiral badge]

It’s been Their Thing since Bastion

[obsidian kite]

yeah you can't just beat Meg over and over with higher heat

[spiral badge]

And Heat is the latest edition

[obsidian kite]

you have to full clear a heat level before you can get another blood from Meg

[brazen nest]

Right, that's what I was in doubt

[spiral badge]

Correct

Heat levels must be fully cleared before rewards reset

Game counts each cleared floor as a separate reward event, and there is no passing Go

[brazen nest]

Also, hammer upgrade for shield?

[spiral badge]

Ooooh, you on zag?

[brazen nest]

Y

[spiral badge]

What options are available to you?

[brazen nest]

Yes*

Charged shot, breaching rush and dread flight

[spiral badge]

Return explosion is good

Oof

I dislike shield charge hammers tbh

But know don’t take dread flight with zag shield

Whatever you do

Not a good idea

[obsidian kite]

charged shot turns you into a bow that can block

which is really nice

[spiral badge]

Yeah, charged shot is the one I was thinking then

Take that and play around

Of the charge shield hammers its the best

Have fun

[brazen nest]

I think I'll pass on that one for now to get the prophecy done

[spiral badge]

Not a terrible idea

[brazen nest]

I tried it earlier, pretty fun

[spiral badge]

Those are valuable

[obsidian kite]

yeah the best way to learn what works is to just try stuff

[spiral badge]

Runs are cheap

What was the prophecy one?

Hope it wasn’t dread flight for you

Be a lot more cautious with your special if it was, you will be much more vulnerable while it’s out of your hands

[brazen nest]

breaching rush

I want curse of longing? With ares and aphrodite?

I got a epic curse of pain on first ares

[spiral badge]

Very nice. Attack?

You usually want those two flip flopped, ares special aphro attack

But epic will serve you well enough. Just make sure to apply both constantly to keep PS up

[brazen nest]

It was ares special

[spiral badge]

Ah perfect

A note, regular/zag shield special is less an attack button and more a utility button to apply curse from long range

For which you’ve picked the perfect god, ares

[plush fog]

what is the easiest way to create an image link for the challenge?

[proven osprey]

imgur imo

or post in #h1-victory-boasting and get the discord link

[plush fog]

ty

[desert cypress]

Is the challenge on?

[proven osprey]

yeah check pins

[desert cypress]

Rad

[proven osprey]

you must beat 1 heat or 15:52

I mean

same heat 15:52 or +1 heat

[desert cypress]

Hm, sounds easy enough. For now

[proven osprey]

yeah

[desert cypress]

I can do 2 heat no problem

[proven osprey]

quite the flex

do it

[rare kindle]

so 2 heat or faster than 15:52

[desert cypress]

Alright, just gotta fold my laundry first

[rare kindle]

sounds doable enough

[proven osprey]

faster on same heat yes

[desert cypress]

Responsibilities

[brazen nest]

Just to clarify, for duo boons now I gotta get lucky with ares/aphro boon pool right?

[rare kindle]

wdym?

[proven osprey]

there are prerequisites then it's luck

[brazen nest]

Also athena dash with this build is ridiculous

[spiral badge]

^^^

Yeah that too

Athena dash is good to the point of considered being boring/a crutch

[brazen nest]

I have aphro atk with ares special now, early into Elysium

[spiral badge]

But don’t shy away from it, it’s that good

[desert cypress]

It’s a shame I can’t just do TD3 for a two-fer

[proven osprey]

you meet the prereq

good luck

[spiral badge]

Sounds like you’re doing great 👍🏻

[brazen nest]

I beat thanatos achievement with this

It's sooooo busted. Lol enemies melt away

[spiral badge]

Than is an A+ keepsake if you can keep it proccing

[brazen nest]

Oh, last thing before I forget, which keepsake before going into Elysium?

[spiral badge]

Which have you used up so far?

[brazen nest]

Aphro and ares

[spiral badge]

Maybe coin purse if you love your build already?

[proven osprey]

Acorn/tooth are good if you feel like you can die

[spiral badge]

Those too

[brazen nest]

I can probably get hit a lot by theseus and hades

[proven osprey]

Acorn is a lot of hp

[spiral badge]

Also re-upping for broken spear point if you have it

[brazen nest]

I thought about going purse cause maybe I can get another blood

[spiral badge]

Yeah that’s a good idea

[brazen nest]

In styx shop

[spiral badge]

Handicap yourself early on if you can to always be saving for Styx blood

It’s valuable

[desert cypress]

I think I have a total of 34 victories now, which is absurd considering I got this game in december

[cosmic willow]

are there any weapons that'd synergize well with a damage-over-time build

[spiral badge]

Worth even taking the green money mirror perk and not spending a dime till Styx early on

[brazen nest]

I started last Thursday

I'm doing that aurash

[spiral badge]

If you can stand it

[rare kindle]

Dio is dot so any weapons that are good with hangover

[spiral badge]

👍🏻👍🏻

[rare kindle]

like rail and fists

[cosmic willow]

how good is demeter's DoT stuff

[spiral badge]

Demeter doesn’t do DoT particularly

[brazen nest]

I liked it with tier 2 boon

[spiral badge]

She does Chill, which is Slow

Very effective slow

[brazen nest]

Chill explosion

A lot of dmg

[rare kindle]

one of her t2's is dot, but I think the dot only works if everyone has it

[spiral badge]

Yeah dem has some amazing support boons

Like chill explosion on cast

[brazen nest]

Her cast is nice too

[cosmic willow]

one of her boons makes your chill effects deal a DoT

[brazen nest]

Turrets ahoy

[spiral badge]

And ravenous will and rare crop and +healing

That one is honestly among the least lustrous of her boon effects lol

It sounds good but is rare to proc

That said dem is full of interesting, powerful support boons

[desert cypress]

I’m excited for when the heat gets high

[spiral badge]

Where can we check on current heat level?

For the challenge

[forest marsh]

I'm not sure how they're handling updates, but the ones that have been processed are listed in the "2021 - Do A Barrel Roll" tab of the spreadsheet linked in the pinned post

[desert cypress]

What if somebody finishes the current level’s run before you?

Is your run just void?

[forest marsh]

That sounds like a question for @cunning urchin or @mighty ermine

[naive tusk]

That'd be unfair in my opinion but for details on how it's handled you should ask @cunning urchin or @mighty ermine as they are the ones in charge of it.

Oh, Wiiiiiiight! Posted at the same time

I guess the double ping will serve as double attention hehe~

[cunning urchin]

That is actually the idea! If somebody beat you to it, you got barrel-rolled! Your run can still go on the board, though.

[gusty rapids]

basically: get good

[cunning urchin]

And who knows, you might have a better time than they had, then you beat their run.

That's our life at high heat where @mighty ermine always does that to us when we set some new record in something.

[forest marsh]

Tail's gonna come in here wondering why notifications are flying off the wall

[willow haven]

[cunning urchin]

Probably because he challenged everyone to do a barrel roll!

[forest marsh]

Maybe you can answer this, Nyaa, are the runs added automatically to the board or do they all have to be manually placed after submittal?

[rare kindle]

Tailesque is going to show up everyone by doing a 62 heat run

[arctic leaf]

The hades equivalent of taking your ball and going home.

Or flipping the monopoly board

Man I hate monopoly.

[willow fossil]

Lmfao

[thorny plume]

What are some good boons for Gilgamesh?

I’ve tried a few but haven’t really vibed with much of them

[willow haven]

have you tried zeus?

[thorny plume]

Yeah, but something feels off about it

[willow fossil]

It's the weapon

I dont like it much because of that

I'd say aphro, since aphro counters the buff on enemies

[thorny plume]

It feels too slow to get good use out of Zeus, I’m gonna try Poseidon and see what happened

[willow haven]

yea it's pretty slow

poseidon with fists is kinda counterproductive

because with fists you need to stay close to the enemies

you could try any privileged status build

[terse mist]

counterpoint: talos fists with posideon special

[willow haven]

i legit have no idea how to use that weapon lmao

[willow fossil]

Well you pull people to you

Thats how

[thorny plume]

Oh you know, that could be really interesting

Especially with the Zeus duo boon

Hmmm

[terse mist]

for sure

[nocturne pivot]

Ping pong the opponent

[terse mist]

utility wise i havent played with it enough to get a hang of it

but boy is it fun

i call it the yo-yo build

[terse mist]

base fists but special grabs the enemy and pulls them to you, and they take more attack/special/cast damage for a bit after you do so

its uh. my favorite aspect

if you didnt already guess

[thorny plume]

Oh yeah, same

[terse mist]

ayee

[thorny plume]

Close second is aspect of Poseidon

Cause of exit wounds lol

[terse mist]

ive been waiting for the day when i can get exit wounds on posideon sword

it never seems to spawn when i go for that build

[thorny plume]

It’s a blast

[terse mist]

yeah it sounds super fun

[thorny plume]

Exit wounds seems to be pretty rare

[terse mist]

would be especially good with artemis legendary

and maybe hermes legendary too

[desert cypress]

Alright, it’s go time

I’m ready to uphold the challenge

[terse mist]

gl!!

are you doing a 3 heat?

[willow haven]

yeah i know what it does i'm just with it

[thorny plume]

I’m wondering if I should respec my talents

[terse mist]

understandable

[desert cypress]

Is there a place where I can see the current heat level?

[terse mist]

it definitely took me a while to get used to

[terse mist]

yeah on the sheet

rn its at 2

[desert cypress]

Alright

[willow fossil]

Do you need to

[willow haven]

demeter is my favorite fist tbf

[willow fossil]

Is a yes or no question

You lose nothing but a key

[terse mist]

i have a meme for just this occasion