better late than never
#h1-builds-and-combat
willow fossil
ornate prawn
i've been doing zag spear merciful end builds
my time tends to be around 15 minutes
lowest i've gotten it is 12 minutes
any advice? better zag spear builds?
mighty ermine
lightning strike flurry jab would probably be a good balance of consistent and fast for zag spear
slim lynx
if i have refreshing nectar and yarn do i get 4 uses or does the yarn just immediately expire on the first use?
willow fossil
noiceee
static karma
Arthur I have only one level in and it’s great
slim lynx
how does spread fire interact with hestia?
dry ember
it doesn't do anything for Hestia, it also doesn't hurt except taking up hammer slot
you can reload manually
slim lynx
it would be nice if it actually was a giant burst that does 260 base damage or something
dry ember
I wish haha
woven crater
Aspect of nemesis, dash strike focus, poseidon attack and artemis dash, choosing keepsake before asphodel after using artemis keepsake - is it probably best to just keep on building poseidon and take his keepsake here?
Also this dash strike knocks foes halfway across rooms. Still not sold on whether or not that's good in asphodel
dry ember
yeah pos on nemesis is a bit awkward, if you can, I would recommend selling/swap out for something else.
woven crater
Definitely taking an artemis swap if I ever see one offered
daring turtle
Good against most enemies except medusas and witches/spreaders, since if you knock them way over the lava, it just makes them safer
woven crater
Just happened to get an epic poseidon attack in Tartarus after getting dash strike bonus from Artemis, so I figured I'd lean into the dps until it stopped being good
Chaos has now also buffed my dash attack twice, and I've got double edge, so pretty much any dash attack will erase anything it touches
dry ember
yeah that's good even if Poseidon att is bit awkward
woven crater
The biggest reason for a swap is that it has the potential to turn on heart rend with a swap into artemis, I feel like
Heroic arty attack with heart rend... now THAT is what nemesis dreams of
woven crater
Lost to asterius because somehow I still don't know how to effectively fight him with a weapon that likes to get so up close
willow fossil
regular asterius?
uncut haven
is it better to grab weapon upgrade over boon?
woven crater
Em3 asterius
And that’s really situational
Depends on how you’re using your weapon and what upgrades what help, as well as what you could gain from the boon
You can see the heat I was using in #h1-victory-boasting, it’s the same as the last run I did
uncut haven
spear. and the other option is athena
woven crater
What other boons do you have?
uncut haven
umm (been drinking so thinking is hard) 2 posiden, 1 athena and crush shot, which im still sad its nerfed. they are all low level with the though process that getting 1 of each first for guaranteed upgrades. just testing theory
i can grab a screen shot too if you want!
woven crater
Screenshot definitely helps!
woven crater
Just put it in the victory boasting chat and I’ll respond here, then
uncut haven
got you
its there
again im just trying to get better, and analyze to i guess learn to min max stuff
willow fossil
is it better to grab weapon upgrade over boon?
it all depends
is the boon someone you need?
there are a lot of factors here
uncut haven
well again, I havnt walked though so I dont know what the boon is yet
im just chillin trying to debate which door to go through lol
also I hastily made a bad call to rush using my reroll lol rip
woven crater
Athena could give you a swap onto one of your primary boons, which could potentially be good, and she could also give aid which you don’t have yet
uncut haven
it got me holy shield so im not too upset
woven crater
And athena’s aid is pretty good
uncut haven
yeah fair, I mean are spear upgrades worth wile though?
woven crater
There’s a few boons that make deflect better, but they probably won’t help much since you’re only doing that when you get hit
Other than that, she can make you take less damage or restore a death defiance right now
And I think that’s all you can currently get from her pool
uncut haven
ah ok. yeah I think ill do that, as spear seem idk kind of weak to begin with
woven crater
Daedalus can be very good
uncut haven
wat that? not familiar with it
woven crater
The hammer
willow fossil
well again, I havnt walked though so I dont know what the boon is yet
yes but you usually have an idea of what to expect from a god
woven crater
You can get a longer range on your attack, replace your spin attack with a faster jab attack, make your attack do three adjacent hits at once, make your dash attack hit three times, make your spin attack charge faster or get bigger... a lot of helpful things
It can also make your special do more damage to armor, adds crit chance on recall, make it explode
And there are a few others
uncut haven
ye I somewhat remember
yo this game is so different from beta... lol
also athena game me epic call so im cool with that
woven crater
Oh I missed special charge, special chain, and sturdy spin attack
Yeah that’s pretty solid
uncut haven
I think I like god of war call best
woven crater
A lot of decisions in this game are knowing what’s available that you want to get
uncut haven
huh? what that
woven crater
I think that needs to be unlocked, still?
willow fossil
oh lmfao they added after i started playing, didnt know you had to unlock it mb
woven crater
Same here, but maybe you actually don’t and I’m misremembering for the same reason
uncut haven
also. i really want zeus but I already have a few in poseidon 😦
woven crater
At least Zeus is in your pool
mighty ermine
it is something you purchase from the house contractor
willow fossil
ah
woven crater
Alright I did think so
uncut haven
prob more efficient to stick with same dudes. get higher tier and duos yeah?
woven crater
You’re already eligible for the duo between the two, so which you take for that doesn’t really matter
mighty ermine
your pool is normally limited to four gods naturally anyways, so you don't get spread too thin most of the time anyway
uncut haven
is there not duos for all peeps??
willow fossil
yes
woven crater
Yeah, there are now
willow fossil
but not all duos will benefit your build
uncut haven
was going to be surprised if there wasnt... like wtf
ohhh
well I have water dude and athena
willow fossil
theres no "rule of thumb" in most roguelites
uncut haven
good or no
willow fossil
their duo is meh
uncut haven
i see
woven crater
I don’t recall if there was one for every pair in the blood price update, though I don’t believe there was and I think 1.0 added the last few
uncut haven
so... zeus athena?
willow fossil
I don’t recall if there was one for every pair in the blood price update, though...
pretty sure all gods had duos before 1.0 released
uncut haven
you might be right. i never got far
woven crater
Maybe blood price added the rest then and the only thing that changed were a few effects if any
willow fossil
kk
uncut haven
im just not confident in my decision making hahaa
woven crater
Certainly they didn’t all exist during the Nighty Night update when I started
willow fossil
theres no "rule of thumb" in most roguelites
you have to adapt to your current situation
uncut haven
yeah but im sure someone out there did the math haha
willow fossil
indeed
woven crater
Slay the Spire taught me that better than anything else, personally
willow fossil
facts
anyway takku, you can use the wiki in the meantime to aid you
there are boon list and the boon required and stuff
uncut haven
thanks!! just thought it would be fun to have feed back and chat!
willow fossil
thats what the channel is for
uncut haven
also i still need to purchase slay the spire
willow fossil
great game
woven crater
I learned a lot of this game with the wiki open in voice chat with a friend who started alongside me, which was a really fun way to learn the game and think about builds
uncut haven
ive only learned through playing
woven crater
StS is one of the strongest roguelikes I’ve ever played. Not sure where I compare it against Hades, but it excels in its own design just as Hades excels at what it does
willow fossil
thats the main way to learn
uncut haven
i bombed when I was at pax though hahaha
willow fossil
they are very different games despite being the same genre thats for sure
mighty ermine
i believe SGG has cited StS as an inspiration for their own design of hades which is pretty cool
uncut haven
i think they did
woven crater
Oh that’s awesome, I’d be interested to see if more was said on that
willow fossil
same
mighty ermine
was probably in one of the noclip docs covering the game iirc
mighty ermine
it did not takku lol
woven crater
StS is definitely a bit older than Hades early access
woven crater
Though it’s late 2017 vs early 2018 for earliest Hades early access builds on epic, I believe
woven crater
No wait that’s late 2018/early 2018
uncut haven
missed the drop on sts then
i know I have a buddy who was all over it, but I never followed the game
mighty ermine
here's a good message from greg about them drawing inspiration from StS @woven crater @willow fossil #ask-supergiant message
woven crater
I also forgot about StS’s own early access timeline there
willow fossil
very interesting
uncut haven
ah @#%$(*&% ok 1 more reason to play sts
woven crater
Oh, the line was in the pact of punishment, alright!! That makes so much sense, I think I’ve thought about the similarities there before
It’s a nice intersection of the modular difficulty in their previous titles along with the push to keep rising by small increments of individual changes that together add a lot of challenge
mighty ermine
another one from Ed regarding making runs feel varied but still "buildable" to an extent! #ask-supergiant message
woven crater
No surprise that both also have my favorite rogue like difficulty systems there
Oh yeah
willow fossil
isnt really a skill based
woven crater
I’m an A20 player and it took hundreds of hours to get there, most runs are still losses
willow fossil
but knowledge
mighty ermine
there's definitely skill to be developed in StS with how to employ that knowledge in various scenarios though
woven crater
Yeah, I appreciate StS for being a game that gets really difficult and demanding of intellectual skill and knowledge, while not taking mechanical skill at all
uncut haven
dood. mega gorgon or whatever some how ended up way off in the corner of the lava so I couldnt deal with the stun and took so much damage...
woven crater
I find it easier to do high ascensions than high heat since I don’t make mechanical errors under pressure
uncut haven
you know what game surprised me that I kind of liked. book of demons. cute artwork. decent gameplay
mighty ermine
opposite for me just from playing much more hades compared to StS lol. i've only gotten to A20 with ironclad, and yet i have many aspects at 50+ in hades
willow fossil
there's definitely skill to be developed in StS with how to employ that knowledg...
well by skill i meant like no fast sense or reaction
stuff like that
mighty ermine
right
willow fossil
like isnt an action game
woven crater
There’s really just so much of experience factoring into runs
dry ember
Dude be flexing on A20 50+ heat I'm here playing with A4 32 lul
mighty ermine
lol
uncut haven
idk what a20 is
uncut haven
oh
willow fossil
like making the game harder
uncut haven
rip
woven crater
A20 heart kills are much more approachable for me than succeeding at 32 heat because I’ve got much more skill developed for one than the other
mighty ermine
ascension 20, basically endgame progression analogous to heat
uncut haven
im pre all this ascension gameplay lol
dry ember
StS is hard.
dry ember
Hades you can learn even kinda yolo through things
willow fossil
yep
dry ember
Ain't nothing in StS
mighty ermine
meanwhile A20 heart kill terrifies me more than finishing the rest of the aspects at 50+ heat
willow fossil
^
woven crater
StS is incredibly hard and making the correct decisions in StS just. Doesn’t exist
willow fossil
thats definitely not ez
woven crater
You just do things that seem like they’ll help you do the things you need to do immediately
mighty ermine
hades def allows for a lot of improv, being a real time action game
dry ember
I love roguelite because it's challenging though
willow fossil
all i know is talk to the hand is op
mighty ermine
outside of things like TD3 limiting you as you climb heat
stiff igloo
will chiron poseidon work
willow fossil
yes
dry ember
I mean if you think about it, a game that can be done in half an hour (Hades) or 2 hours maybe (StS) is very short
woven crater
And you can probably sail along in hades with more builds under par, although there’s absolutely a point where that stops being true... so actually it has that in common with StS
And yes, it works
mighty ermine
i got carried to A20 by demon form not gonna lie
dry ember
And yet the hours in accumulated in roguelites dwarf any other games.
uncut haven
yall saying roguelike. lowkey I prefer roguelite....
tame bison
I have A20 on everything in StS. Played way too much 😛
dry ember
yall saying roguelike. lowkey I prefer roguelite....
I call everything roguelite nowadays.
stiff igloo
the most pog champ thing is seeing someone do a fress file speed run
its litterly AS WEAK as you can be
woven crater
Demon form is definitely one of the stronger scaling cards in the game
uncut haven
doood. you see the fresh file no damage?
mighty ermine
well, those also gun for the strongest duo in the game
dry ember
the most pog champ thing is seeing someone do a fress file speed run
Huh that's the most resident sleeper part of speedrun for me.
mighty ermine
which balances out the inherent weakness
dry ember
To each their own ig
gray lintel
for the sword, dash nova + double nova + 30% increased special speed is funny
boing boing boing
uncut haven
hermes: dodge or faster attack?
mighty ermine
depends
gray lintel
it depends, do you use attacks and what's the rarity 
dry ember
for the sword, dash nova + double nova + 30% increased special speed is funny
I kept hearing about the legend of T-posing special sword wayyy back in EA
mighty ermine
hermes attack speed does not apply to dash-strikes, keep in mind
woven crater
That special would be hilarious with the old snap nova
dry ember
But idk what that is lol
uncut haven
oh good call. I mean I dont intend on keeping my attack boon
oh yeah id love 3x dash for sure
gray lintel
i had artemis special with call build on crit, and athena call
so I'd pop the call and then boing bambam boing bambam boing bambam
uncut haven
guess dodge it is
woven crater
Dodge is pretty generally good
uncut haven
yee
dry ember
Yeah it's a boon you settle for but don't feel bad.
woven crater
Rogue lite decision making: “Well, it depends.”
mighty ermine
or go for specifically on memey zag fist plume builds
woven crater
I still haven’t done one of those dodge fist runs but I should sometime
gray lintel
quick lazy maths: at 300 health with 3 death defiances at 50% each that's 750 health. 16% dodge increases that to 882 health. that's like... 130 extra health or about two centaur hearts. 
mighty ermine
it's pretty silly; not sustainable at high heat but fun
woven crater
I’d either try it in my h24 attempts or just drop down to my next highest bounty to experience it
uncut haven
omg i love that I can kind of sit, do other things, and think about my choices
gray lintel
but yeah I got the dash nova and double nova from a yolo smith purchase in the 4th area and was like
dry ember
Oh I have a 50 heat save file at Hades (EM4) I tried for 2 hours and couldn't beat this single fight.
gray lintel
"yeah i was an attack build but I'm a special build now I guess lmao"
dry ember
Tail if you want to give it a shot
uncut haven
like even before I joined discord I would go watch snl youtube videos between my choices hahah
woven crater
I couldn’t beat em4 at 10 heat, y’all terrify me
dry ember
I mean I didn't even get to phase 2 lol
mighty ermine
Tail if you want to give it a shot
lol is it a terrible build or what
uncut haven
oh wait. this is actually new. the jewels or whatever. should I be going for them? i actually dont know
woven crater
Gems are a permanent resource that buy things from the house contractor
Quite a few of the things you can get at first with them are quite useful
dry ember
lol is it a terrible build or what
Nah it's decent. Level 3 Heroic Lightning Strike with Rare Heartbreak Strike. Just that HP is very limited.
woven crater
They don’t help you during the run, but they make later runs better in various ways
Exclamation mark is totally better though if you value NPC interactions
willow fossil
dad just sent me home
dry ember
Dem fist btw
woven crater
Completely coincidental
uncut haven
okay good. would have been very sad
woven crater
Yeah no it’s just a name I chose that I liked the sound of
dry ember
okay good. would have been very sad
Why Lux is cute. I like her, and Artemis, and Dusa, and Meg
mighty ermine
Nah it's decent. Level 3 Heroic Lightning Strike with Rare Heartbreak Strike. Ju...
fox how'd you get two strikes
uncut haven
Why Lux is cute. I like her, and Artemis, and Dusa, and Meg
oh wait. is lux in Hades? sorry i play league of legends and absolutely despise people who play her.
willow fossil
hes built different
woven crater
Very strong attack
slim lynx
different builds different boons
woven crater
Does a lot of things
mighty ermine
zeus offered a trade and fox said actually i keep both now
willow fossil
he gulped one of the strikes c:
willow fossil
lux is lucifer in idk language
woven crater
Instant no-effort privileged status
uncut haven
also im sad im close too hydra and just wasted my first death defiance 😦
willow fossil
it happens
woven crater
Oh if you make that connection yeah I’m a Lucifer main by some specific definitions
uncut haven
wait actually?
uncut haven
someone wiki that s#^t
woven crater
Probably because Lucifer means light-bringer and Lux means light
uncut haven
im honestly curious now
woven crater
It’d be Latin, yeah
uncut haven
ohhhh
dry ember
fox how'd you get two strikes
Flourish bruh
uncut haven
yeah that checks out
mighty ermine
i know i just have to give you a hard time
dry ember
Lul
willow fossil
Flourish bruh
nah you just gulped one of the strikes
woven crater
My alt username is LuckyLux, which also fits
I can just call out my luck and it happens as I say it will, somehow
willow fossil
coming soon in an update?!
woven crater
No effort run
mighty ermine
please no more merciful end buffs
woven crater
That’s just press x to win
uncut haven
oh lux is literally the measurement of light
woven crater
Wasn’t divine dash a valid merciful end prereq at one point in early access?
slim lynx
Imagine Curse of Agony *and* Divine Strike in one
on rail + flurry fire + swift strike 😩 👌
dry ember
please no more merciful end buffs
What's that? +50 damage and Divine Dash now available?
dry ember
what fox really wants though is old spread fire
You know me too well
slim lynx
was old spread fire literally a burst of a few shots
dry ember
More armor, essentially
Old old sf is even more bursted I heard, but never had the chance to use.
mighty ermine
it was extremely broken
woven crater
Divine dash not being a valid prereq for deflect-based duos is a bit unfortunate
dry ember
It used to be
woven crater
But the three-boon win button for fists was ridiculous, so it’s fair
woven crater
on rail + flurry fire + swift strike 😩 👌
Read: How to vaporize the underworld
slim lynx
malphon + curse of agony + divine flourish + divine dash + merciful end + epic greatest reflex
mighty ermine
basically it was a spread of five projectiles at once in front, instead of one
you can already start to imagine why it would be broken
woven crater
Did they all get hestia buffed
mighty ermine
i don't think so but zag rail's extra ammo is all you needed
limber cloak
what are yall talking about
dry ember
what are yall talking about
SPREADFIRE BRO
willow fossil
https://youtu.be/Wg7SlvO4WSA
by routed you mean seeded?
limber cloak
SPREADFIRE BRO
what that
dry ember
No I mean routed.
woven crater
Ah, wow
I should’ve used more rail in the nighty night update
willow fossil
what does routed means
limber cloak
im guessing it used to be a hammer?
dry ember
It still is
limber cloak
Huh, which one
dry ember
Huh, which one
Spreadfire
mighty ermine
lol
woven crater
Oh wait I DO remember using the cone of death!
limber cloak
Yeah i hate the shotgun one now lol
uncut haven
ummmmmmmm. bro what
uncut haven
i beat hydra then randomly dashed into the lave and hit tab menu. couldnt get out and died???
willow fossil
F
uncut haven
like im just tilted af
mighty ermine
lol
slim lynx
deadly strike making it so any of the five projectiles in the blast can crit
this is why we simp for the huntress
uncut haven
borderline wanna uninstall.... jk leggo again
limber cloak
i beat hydra then randomly dashed into the lave and hit tab menu. couldnt get ou...
lmao something similar happened to me yesterday
was gonna fish
but then i accidentally stood in lava while fishing
cloud vault
Ah yes, the stand in lava to fish thing
limber cloak
and the game didnt block me from fishing, as it should have
cloud vault
Happened to me too once
uncut haven
dude i have high faith in next run
limber cloak
ruined an amazing merciful end run
i had like 150 health and was down to ~9 after it
uncut haven
just no crush cast. its garbo
limber cloak
barely survived asphodel and lost a dd to hydra
cloud vault
It just made me angry tho, still won
slim lynx
spread fire is actually stupidly powerful lmao
limber cloak
yeah same
limber cloak
just no crush cast. its garbo
i agree tbh, the first time i tried hera someone advised me to take crush cast and i had so much pain
mighty ermine
speaking of early access changes
crush shot used to be shatter shot and was also broken
similarly to spread fire
uncut haven
dude. you dont know. OG aphro cast was god tier
woven crater
You may actually be able to pull that run file out if you really want to save it
uncut haven
you run that with max cast charge and ezpz
woven crater
You’d need to redo hydra though
dry ember
what does routed means
Seeded means RNG manipulation for first landing room. Routed means RNG manipulation for beyond that, usually an entire run.
limber cloak
speaking of saves
dry ember
Yeehaw partner
uncut haven
yeeeehawww
limber cloak
is there any way i can make the save system in the game better? I usually have unexpected power cuts every now and then, and it hurts to lose an entire run because of it
mighty ermine
🤠
limber cloak
or is it just built into the game and i cant do anything about it
mighty ermine
yeah i see your yeehaws
woven crater
The game creates temp saves at the start of every room, and doesn’t save over them until you enter the next one
dry ember
is there any way i can make the save system in the game better? I usually have u...
You can recover your save. Check #h1-tech-fixes and #h1-tech-support
limber cloak
oh
woven crater
So if your game crashes, you can still replace your current save with the temp one
limber cloak
ill check that out
dry ember
Yes, even mid run power cut scenario can be recovered.
woven crater
Game crashed in Styx once and that’s when I learned
mighty ermine
i have no idea what this reaction is and i dont know how to cancle it hahahah
you can click on the reaction again to undo it lol
uncut haven
you can click on the reaction again to undo it lol
wait. someone else joined me so me removing it doesnt do anything. im literally belly laughing at this
uncut haven
but its just funny
woven crater
Yeah adding my own reaction was hilarious
uncut haven
low wanna share/stream my next run tho?
no I mean I dont know all the emotes
and clicked one my mistake
willow fossil
can anyone explain what routed means?
woven crater
A bit less convenient since there’s nothing for that natively in here (impossible to moderate voice chats/streaming)
uncut haven
oh right
woven crater
I just remembered that cluster bomb got slightly buffed too
I think it used to be sequential
And now it’s all 5 simultaneously
Which is less commitment, especially for rocket bombs
Unless I’m just misremembering
uncut haven
sword is buffed. i can rock this
fk it i know this is for hades and stuff, but whats yall favorite candy?
woven crater
Warheads
woven crater
I just really like sour candy still
dry ember
can anyone explain what routed means?
I already pinged you I thought?
dry ember
@willow fossil anyway, here
Seeded means RNG manipulation for first landing room. Routed means RNG manipulation for beyond that, usually an entire run.
woven crater
As far as actual builds go, is there any cast for aspect of Hera that competes with trippy shot?
uncut haven
boo crush shot. idk again just miss old shotgun
woven crater
I figured the embed on those just made them worse than the maxed Hera 5 second drop, unless cast regen is more viable regardless
mighty ermine
crush shot is usually considered the best for hera, alongside phalanx with parting shot
woven crater
I’ll have to properly try that then
uncut haven
i just ran crush shot and it was bad tho... like
woven crater
Often hard to find a good build that isn’t Aphrodite, Artemis, or some combination thereof isn’t it
uncut haven
wait. crush shot is Aphrodite
oh
nvm
imma go master chaos over aphro
leggo
check vicorty
i need input
both solid
dry ember
What
woven crater
Very very dependent on what else you’re doing
Also Imgur links and such should still work in here
gray lintel
Aphrodite: crazy high base damage and weak is more useful than you think
Ares: DOOOOOOM(also I feel like blade rifts got buffed at some point)
Artemis: crits are nice
Athena: deflect is like the strongest defensive ability
Demeter: beam memes and chill is nice
Dionysus: nice meta buffs and hangover deeps
Hermes: yeahokaybestgod
Poseidon: really good outside bosses, weird with bosses, meta king
Zeus: LIGHTNING BOLT
uncut haven
ok, still learing the ways of this discord sorry
woven crater
Bonus damage against undamaged foes just isn’t as good as a nearly as high attack bonus if attack is your primary damage source
Health is nice, meanwhile
uncut haven
well next time ill hit that. but in the mean time mind checking victory boasting and commenting here?
instant damage or slightly avarage damage
dry ember
Weapon?
uncut haven
sword
mighty ermine
It's just preferable not to spam victory boasting with those images too much
uncut haven
i think avarage damage is better
mighty ermine
Since the channel does state victory screens only
dry ember
Excruciating Strike
woven crater
Epic [insert drawback] strike is just quite good if attack is what you’re using
willow fossil
takku try uploading the pictures to imgur, then posting the link here
dry ember
Easy pick tbh
woven crater
Undamaged foes is only a slightly higher number, and it turns off against anything that takes more than one hit - totally useless against bosses
uncut haven
well. thats what i was introduced to. so im trying not to spam, but SOMEONE (haha just messing) told me to post there
woven crater
Yeah I just forgot how you can still use Imgur links in here
willow fossil
^
uncut haven
ye. well wasnt sure imgur was an option. so I know to d that thing now. so thank you!
uncut haven
yay. glad everyone is really solid. i mean im not looking to spam but im just looking for help with decisions which idk, its more desire to minmax if that makes sense.
dry ember
It was joke lol
uncut haven
but throwing imgur here is fine yes?
dry ember
You are fine so far
uncut haven
i know
dry ember
Yeah it's fine. As long as you don't ask for every single options that comes up.
woven crater
Discussions about decisions like these are the best way to learn a game’s decision making progress, and I always learn new things from them too
uncut haven
wait. hmmm ok this thing which you guys see the photo says noting about being blind with the next boon options. wat?
dry ember
Like the shrouded punishment?
willow fossil
lol
uncut haven
*making noise and pretending to use jedi mind tricks to assume your roommate didnt wake up
yup thats a thing
holy poop. epic ares dash!
gray lintel
beyblaaaade
uncut haven
rip it
wait.
that has 2 meanings
whelp tilted lost all my death defiance to alecto....
limber cloak
whats a build i should do with chiron
ive already done arty on special
i was thinking maybe zeus on special? not sure how that would work out
or dio special too
woven crater
Demeter on special with chill explosions?
willow fossil
dad sent me home again
uncut haven
aight. im done with this game. freaking idk cant control into lava for some reason
do I continue with poe or do a run of dead cells?
limber cloak
Demeter on special with chill explosions?
ooh ill try that, thanks
coarse moss
whats a build i should do with chiron
Dire misfortune on special
coarse moss
how do y'all build around lucifer
triple bomb hammer, artemis on special. attack isnt super important but i guess chill or hangover works
flat garden
not relying on attack for dps sounds super weird to me
and i don't know how to utilise the special properly
coarse moss
try spam special on skelly see they explode without you touching them. really need that triple bomb hammer though
woven crater
I use Zeus attack on Lucifer sometimes, I’ve also used Demeter attack with chill explosions and the super soaker Poseidon attack with sea storm
slim lynx
they automatically detonate if there's more than 3
woven crater
But Zeus is the easiest to make good by far
slim lynx
if they detonate close to each other is causes basically a chain reaction
proven osprey
Divine dash good because your attack does not destroy projectiles
woven crater
Zeus special also works well since the bolt makes it automatically detonate if it’s near an enemy
half crater
super soaker or you’re a coward
woven crater
Super soaker best build
proven osprey
Pink boyo good too
cloud vault
ive already done arty on special
Aphro attack and Dio or Ares special is very effective too if you're bored of Artemis
limber cloak
gotha
coarse moss
not relying on attack for dps sounds super weird to me
special explode for 100 damage, and it pulses20, so usually 120 damage. not many weapon chunk that much per attack... and with triple bomb you're dealing this at crazy rate, hitting entire room
flat garden
interesting
thanks for all the suggestions
i'm too used to my main build which relies on fast paced close quarters combat (poseidon sword + crush shot + exit wounds) so long range stuff kinda weirds me out when i play them
vale imp
Oh that build is dope, I tried it out randomly a couple of days ago and it slayed
especially with the Demeter boon that Chills when you cast
Snow Burst is what i mean
viral star
you know, one thing that antos has over battie is that at high heat you can slap your emergency kill alecto button
also calling your dads for help
willow fossil
Screw alecto
copper crest
gl
oak raptor
what build to do 
copper crest
how does one build Talos?
spam special? or cast build? im really not sure about this aspect
oak raptor
if you want a funny build, poseidon special is great
bc its just
pull push pull push pull push
oak raptor
copper crest
everything is a jojo reference
flat garden
i like ares cast with talos
shoot rifts, dash away from enemy, pull them towards you into the rifts
arctic leaf
I’ve had success with a heavy cutter build and a quick attack dot build. Both can work. Focus on one and just go from there. Just started my heat two run with talos and picked up Demeter attack straight away. So I’ll be putting folks in deep freeze.
sinful stratus
running beowulf right now with passion flare and empowered flight, any suggestion on a build path from there
arctic leaf
Heart rend crit build?
Maybe with a touch of charm?
Am I correct that hades can be charmed but for a reduced amount of time? So it’s more like an interrupt against him?
sinful stratus
Am I correct that hades can be charmed but for a reduced amount of time? So it’...
yep that's what i know
i think he does a lil chuckle too when he gets charmed lol
but will try that out, thanks!
arctic leaf
I play without sound. Wouldn’t know. Hope it works for you! Good luck?
jagged flicker
Today I finally escaped from Hades and wanted to know if at a higher level it becomes necessary to enter the run with a build in mind or if you can still beat Hades with any combination of boons/weapon.
half crater
one you start piling on heat the difficulty of the game does increase dramatically, and it’s generally advised that you start looking into builds to some degree (depending on how much heat you plan to use)
mental blaze
i mean people do boonless runs so yeah you can do it with any combination
you dont need to have a build in mind but it does help to think about what would go best with your weapon when you see it
like "ok i have aspect of poseidon so im gonna try and find artemis so i can get exit wounds"
proven osprey
and then at super high heat having a build is only but a sweet dream
half crater
that said, you can absolutely make anything work up to 32 (and even beyond) it’s just that some things are a lot more difficult than others
mental blaze
you dont have to be like level 9000 I Know Exactly What Boons I Want At All Times
and even if you do you're still at the mercy of rng so don't worry too much abt it
half crater
^
jagged flicker
thanks, my game knowledge and mechanics are lacking but this was very helpful
arctic leaf
I’m just now learning enough to start checking the codex. 5 escapes in.
And things change through the process too.
half crater
I feel like my game knowledge is garbage
you keep playing GY smh
arctic leaf
Running talos and grabbed Demeter attack outside my window. Thought I’d like to give cold fusion a shot. Put Zeus on special then got a chaos gate that increased special damage and a hammer that increased special damage.
proven osprey
you keep playing GY smh
Near death state is stimulating
arctic leaf
So now, I’m thinking it’s time to lean into that cutter.
half crater
eventually you will have enough game knowledge to know the optimal weapon:
zag sword
you’re not wrong tho
slim lynx
are talos yo-yo builds actually strong
slim lynx
it's definitely not very good against armored enemies
arctic leaf
It can be good for mobs using terrain damage, but I always struggle when it’s boss time and you can’t gain that damage anymore.
I had a really nice sea storm eris build with jolted and rupture. Destroyed every room in seconds. Then got to Hades and it was barely scratching him.
proven osprey
Strange
Eris is strong against Hades too
it's just that it's a melee weapon, mb you were scared or something and played from afar
vale imp
isn't eris the gun
arctic leaf
Yeah but you gotta be close for the buff.
I assume that’s what he means.
Also assumed it’s a him. Silly me.
proven osprey
I mean that Eris deals the most damage at close range since the dash is key, especially with tidal/sea storm
arctic leaf
I’m sure that part of my lose was user error. It wasn’t my cleanest fight. I’m not as good with the rail. Haven’t had a ton of practice.
proven osprey
Also assumed it’s a him. Silly me.
it's fine, good guess too 
arctic leaf
Dash was irrelevant.
I had all of that on my attack.
And with rupture and jolted I kept PS bonus.
proven osprey
wait is that the legendary tempest strike
arctic leaf
I don’t think I had that one.
proven osprey
Then how did you get the rupture without dash or attack? Special?
arctic leaf
Put Poseidon on my attack.
proven osprey
oh
arctic leaf
Adds knock back to the bullets.
proven osprey
Yeah it's fun but a really low damage one, especially against bosses where you need sea storm + wave pounding
arctic leaf
I did keep my distance but towards the end, ended up out of range a lot.
Agreed. I know Poseidon can be good but I’m not good with it yet.
I also barely brought the build together before the fight. Pretty sure I got jolted in Styx.
proven osprey
tbh tempest strike is quite hated lol
arctic leaf
Now you tell me!
slim lynx
tempest strike on only good on rail
arctic leaf
It was on rail.
slim lynx
maybe bow?
arctic leaf
Apparently I’m just not very good.
proven osprey
tempest strike is a meme for super soaker
it's like
never the best option
arguably the worst
arctic leaf
Well then I don’t feel so bad
sturdy dagger
What keepsake should I start with if I'm doing a Guan Yu run?
proven osprey
yeah you don't have to feel bad, it's really low damage
slim lynx
depends on what build you're going for
arctic leaf
Got hades down to his last phase, but couldn’t seal the deal.
proven osprey
What keepsake should I start with if I'm doing a Guan Yu run?
You'll be fine with Aphrodite, Artemis or Athena
slim lynx
spearpoint or acorn are good options (((obviously)))
athena is great if you're building around quick skin
arctic leaf
I have been using harpy feather for the heals, but hating myself for doing it.
sturdy dagger
You'll be fine with Aphrodite, Artemis or Athena
if the frost fair blade reflects then Athena may be a really good option
mental blaze
(not to sound like an sjw but triple parentheses can mean Bad Stuff)
proven osprey
there
mental blaze
oh yeah divine strike guan yu is amazing
proven osprey
Build around the first hammer you get. If it’s not a good one, Zeus is a great way to deal damage (attack, call + jolted).
Best hammer : Charged skewer (by far), Quick spin, Massive spin, Serrated Point (good damage, risky).
Breaching skewer becomes a really good hammer when paired with charged skewer.
Classic charged skewer build : Heartbreak strike, Deadly Flourish to get Heart Rend. The other way around is fine too even though a bit less powerful.
Spin builds : Divine strike, Deadly strike, Frost strike, Heartbreak strike are good.
Divine strike and Deadly strike can lead to Deadly Reversal which is good. Divine strike is safer, you can play around your spin to stay safe while dealing damage.
Frost strike is a strong option since it’s safe, even more with Killing Freeze.
Optimal dps rotation : Special > Dash strike > Dash strike. Cast is important in tartarus and later on for boiling blood (especially against elites)
some guiding lines for GY
sturdy dagger
spearpoint or acorn are good options (((obviously)))
I always take Acorn on Hades since with the heat most of my weapons are at he's the only one who can kill me these days
slim lynx
i like how even if you're not doing a cast build at all using cast can still be important because of boiling/abyssal blood
seriously it's so good, you pop a bloodstone and then they immediately take 50% more damage
proven osprey
Yeah
It fits in the dps rotation even
just have to cancel it with a dash or whatever
because cast animation is slow
slim lynx
wait so you can cancel the cast animation but the cast still goes through with it?
arctic leaf
Apparently? Not at a point where I’m even considering those things.
proven osprey
can be annoying
sturdy dagger
got a divine strike in the first chamber!
arctic leaf
Nice
proven osprey
got a divine strike in the first chamber!
divine dash is also a good starting boon btw
arctic leaf
Sooo. Lightning is cast damage right?
And the only ways to increase it are poms and chaos? But it has to be “cast” damage right?
Is there a good rule of thumb for which is which?
proven osprey
wdym lightning is cast damage?
arctic leaf
I have frost strike.
coarse moss
"cast" is when you throw bloodstone
arctic leaf
Okay. Hear me out.
And forget frost strike.
I have thunder flourish with talos.
When I attack there are two numbers
White number is physical damage from the cutter
Yellow number is from the lightning
proven osprey
Yup
half crater
lightning is not cast damage unless you’re specifically talking about Electric Shot (Zeus’ cast)
slim lynx
"Cast damage" only comes from casts
proven osprey
You'll get damage by pomming it, increasing rarity or chaos boon basically
half crater
things that increase cast damage will not increase damage from lightning strike/thunder flourish/zeus’ aid etc.
proven osprey
also benefits from boiling blood
arctic leaf
Increase my “special” damage would increase the damage from lightning?
slim lynx
if you hit an enemy with anything but your cast it doesn't classify as cast damage in any way whatsoever
half crater
Increase my “special” damage would increase the damage from lightning?
it will not
that would increase your base special damage
slim lynx
special damage is not the same thing as lightning damage
this also goes for other sorts of damage, such as hangover or rupture
crits are technically an exception though i guess
arctic leaf
Okay, but wouldn’t increasing “cast” damage impact the bolt on my special and the jolted effect?
half crater
lightning is basically impossible to increase the damage of outside of certain T2 zeus boons (like double strike) and universal damage buffs (like the eris buff)
proven osprey
nah cast is cast
slim lynx
Okay, but wouldn’t increasing “cast” damage impact the bolt on my special and th...
no, it only impacts damage dealt by the cast itself
arctic leaf
Hmmmm. Okay. Good to know.
slim lynx
this also means that if you have sea storm and hit an enemy with flood shot, only the flood shot will deal more damage and not the thunder bolt
arctic leaf
Well dang.
coarse moss
when you test weapons on skelly, the moves you can do are split into 3 usually. Attack, Special, and Cast
spice iris
Does anyone have speedrunningtips for fists of talos
arctic leaf
Yeah. I understand that. You also forgot dash special
spice iris
My best time is 18 min so far >_< i suck
coarse moss
so thunder flourish has nothing to do with 'cast damage"
spice iris
I just do special snd then attack dash
arctic leaf
Yeah. I understand now. I knew the lightning damage didn’t count as the special. But thought there was another way to increase it.
half crater
Does anyone have speedrunningtips for fists of talos
you can cancel the special animation early with a dash and still get the buff
that’s it that’s the extent of my talos pro strats
spice iris
LOOL ty ty
half crater
also if you don’t know about dashing to bypass the attack sequence cooldown that’s also a thing
arctic leaf
Basically hit dash after everything.
slim lynx
i think you can't really bypass the attack sequence cooldown
i know what you mean though
spice iris
I always like attack dash
slim lynx
just dash-strike every 3 hits or so
spice iris
I play on the switch and I feel like Im srsly just mashing the dash button LOOL
arctic leaf
I attack, swing four times, and dash attack, sing four times.
slim lynx
you don't really need divine dash if you already have divine strike on fists
arctic leaf
Eventually, but I think it’s a transition. Divine dash is easier to learn to manipulate that divine strike. Of course having a rapid fire attack helps tremendously.
If you want to train yourself to mash attack to deflect, then fists and sword are probably the best ones to train with though.
honest wing
I'm doing a doom attack athena special build and everything is dying so fast idk if merciful end is even working properly
proven osprey
not god's legacy no legendary
serene zealot
Wow, impressive
slim lynx
shady 😩 👌
serene zealot
Surprised you didn't use your call at the end though, could have knocked a second or two off lol
oak raptor
sadly ||dad|| didnt go as well and i didnt get my sub 20 min run on rail i was going for
im so used to using than at the start to knock them down to half its just habit
serene zealot
ah
serene zealot
Relatable
proven osprey
||spoilers are allowed here folks||
oak raptor
habit
proven osprey
||it's ok dw||
slim lynx
explosive special spam build on zag
serene zealot
I did one with demeter attack on hades with blade rifts plus a lot more upgrades for it the other day, that was fun
I'd mark a boss with the spin while they were stunned or inbetween attacks, then dash attack and cheese a ton of health.
oak raptor
explosive special spam build on zag
this sounds fun. gave me a reason to max the zag aspect too
mellow geyser
Poseidon Cast or Demeter Cast for bow with aspect of Hera?
mental blaze
why tf would you use demeter cast on aspect of hera
mellow geyser
I never used demeter cast
serene zealot
Demeter cast on Hera is to be avoided at all costs
fervent falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676639642988052502/803639837256319016/Had...
an exagryph run that actually does damage
serene zealot
Or Poseidon cast and demeter duo
fervent falcon
positively sugoii
slim lynx
Demeter cast on Hera is to be avoided at all costs
brb gonna make a demeter hera cast build
serene zealot
If you actually beat Hades with it, I want to see what you used
mellow geyser
rip I didn't get a Poseidon cast
oak raptor
this run is alredy scuffed
run saved, got the crutch athena dash
alright hammer time
if i dont getexplosive special
its a suicide
mellow geyser
Is Triple Shot good? (hammer upgrade for the bow)
oak raptor
its good if you shotgun a target with it
like, land all 3 by being right in their face
gusty rapids
triple shot is very good yeah
probably my favorite hammer for hidden bow, and second only to twin as my favorite hammer for other bows
mellow geyser
If you only hit the target with an arrow do you do the same amount of damage?
gusty rapids
each of the 3 arrows does the same amount of damage as your normal shot would
gusty rapids
does not reduce any arrow’s damage
serene zealot
Yeah, triple shot is good
proven osprey
each arrow deals 100% of its damage
mellow geyser
Dionysus cast + Hera bow = ?
serene zealot
Great burst damage
If you're using infernal, it does take a while to drop the cast, so keep that in mind
slim lynx
.
mellow geyser
Yea I won like 2/3 times with ice win combo
serene zealot
Yeah, dio cast has great upgrades
mellow geyser
I am overusing it Dionysus cast
slim lynx
and then you get ice wine
don't forget about zeus
mellow geyser
I never seem to get any Athena boons
fervent falcon
dion cast has strong burst but if i'm ever going for burst i take athena cast with hera or hidden aspect for bow
tame bison
I never seem to get any spear builds that don’t suck. Besides GY
mellow geyser
Spear is very fun tho
fervent falcon
achilles is really strong @tame bison with just about any build
mellow geyser
Fated authority or fated persuasion?
serene zealot
Whichever you find more useful, I personally use persuasion
gusty rapids
i think persuasion is generally better
coarse moss
persuasion
fervent falcon
i prefer authority
who needs a different set of boons when you can just have even more boons
or less boons, it's your choice
best part about fated authority
woven crater
Persuasion is better for narrower builds
gusty rapids
once you start making builds it just becomes so much more useful to be able to roll for specific boons
especially since you can force gods in your pool with keepsakes anyways
woven crater
It also helps more than authority when fishing for a duo or legendary
serene zealot
Wish you could reroll hammers though
woven crater
Agreed, but at the same time that’d be so incredibly powerful
serene zealot
True
woven crater
That’s what anvil exists for, honestly
mental blaze
maybe it costs multiple persuasion d20s even the first time?
daring mango
Im too scared to take anvil honestly lol
woven crater
Not that anvil is commonly useful
daring mango
like some random hammers could really messed up my build
woven crater
Once I used anvil to save me from cursed slash that I no longer wanted
coarse moss
wear god keepsake, get eurydice's bottom food, and fated persuasion = duo!
turbid needle
I was going to upgrade my weapons because I just started to be able too and I upgraded nothing but the first rail aspect because the other aspects looked terrible. was that smart?
serene zealot
I'm tempted to do runs just to grab enough anvils to fill out the codex for it, I almost never want it otherwise.
serene zealot
I was going to upgrade my weapons because I just started to be able too and I up...
If you enjoy the rail, it can be, yeah
woven crater
The second rail is significantly better than the first once you’re able to consistently make use of it
daring mango
imo anything goes I managed fine with common weapons with low heat
serene zealot
Zag rail isn't bad tbh
turbid needle
If you enjoy the rail, it can be, yeah
yeah the rail is powerful but late game it isn't very good and the opposite is said for the bow.
daring mango
though what I did was max all the zag aspects first which is not really the ideal way to do things
turbid needle
gtg
serene zealot
True, but at least you've got some upgrades while you get more titan blood
gusty rapids
hestia and eris are extremely good aspects
i find them to be much better than zag rail
neon berry
I would reccomend the second upgrade for rail gun
serene zealot
I can't use eris or hestia for the life of me, but yes, they're good
neon berry
you could also wait and grind until you get the secret upgrade for the rail its really good
serene zealot
Chiron and Hera on the bow are great, Achilles spear is good, and Zeus shield is different but fun. The rest I haven't tried enough to talk about.
daring mango
chaos I think is best for shield
for sword my favorite is the second aspect the critical chance one
serene zealot
Doesn't that one need upgrades to get really good?
gusty rapids
chaos shield needs a high level to shine yea
serene zealot
for sword my favorite is the second aspect the critical chance one
Nemesis I think
gusty rapids
similar to chiron in that respect
sinful stratus
i actually preferred lucifer over the other three when i unlocked i but when i saw hestia's potential i basically discarded lucifer
am yet to use eris regularly too
daring mango
Im usually not that good when it comes to percentage runs unless its a cast run
takes me longer to beat hades when I try to do big hits run but maybe Im just building wrong
serene zealot
i actually preferred lucifer over the other three when i unlocked i but when i s...
What's the trick to using hestia? I can't seem to use it well
daring mango
Im guessing is to build your attack percentage really high and reload a lot
sinful stratus
tons of reload
daring mango
so artemis or aphrodite attack boon
sinful stratus
i treat it like how you would use a sniper, reload every shot
serene zealot
Sounds tedious but kk
daring mango
maybe I should try hestia with pierced butterfly
sinful stratus
ik that's why i always couple it with artemis to maximize dmg
serene zealot
I'll give it a go next time the rail has dark thirst
sinful stratus
good luck! 
coarse moss
always reload, yes. but if you just wait for that its slow. hestia speedrunner used poseidon keepsake for tidal dash. during reloading you can hit tidal dash twice and use special so no downtime
daring mango
ohhhh so thats how
usually I dont bother reloading when Im in Elysium since there are just too many enemies lol
serene zealot
Could also get PS with your dash then, that'd help the damage
Any good casts with it?
daring mango
does aspect of hades work with curse damage?
like does it increase the damage dealt by doom and such
sterile nebula
I got a win with hestia + lvl 2 sisyphus trinket
coarse moss
Any good casts with it?
not sure about cast but here, very inspiring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mGM2VP70n4
serene zealot
does aspect of hades work with curse damage?
Don't think so? The wiki says just attack and special, which is the same as the ingame text so idk
sterile nebula
if you're okay with not getting the auxiliary effects from the +% boons, you can just lock in a +50%/+75%/+100% bonus to attack and focus on getting passive boons
daring mango
oh rip
serene zealot
not sure about cast but here, very inspiring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mG...
Wow, that does give me a good idea of what to do. Thanks!
coarse moss
😊 👌
neon berry
so I was just playing the laser build and loved it is there anything similar
daring mango
what kind of laser build? what was your attack boon
neon berry
it was demiter tracker and stack
daring mango
or was it a special focused one?
ohhHHHHHH the demeter
sorry I was thinking ||lucifer aspect of rail||
have you unlocked the hidden aspects yet?
daring mango
oh ok well I think in terms of how it plays out the laser build is the only one
yea
daring mango
goodluck on your journey
serene zealot
well time to grind with my least favorite wepon
which weapon?
woven crater
About to erase em3 with 7 bloodstone aspect of Poseidon flood shot and exit wounds
woven crater
Chaos boon, Artemis legendary, +1 for a few rooms from the well
serene zealot
Nice
strong hinge
huh, I didn't know artemis' legendary did that. dope!
neon berry
which weapon?
rail gun
neon berry
but I think I will have a lot of fun with the secret aspect for the rail
spiral badge
Zeus on rail attack is usually the go-to facerolling build
If you were looking for a boon suggestion to ease things
neon berry
Thanks
final pewter
saw someone mention demeter lasre.. Demeter laser + tracking is just OP AF. If you can also get the applying chill and literally any other debuff to apply with your attacks it's just an auto win vs hades
*other debuff as in if you have the 2 debuf = more damage
split echo
What’s the most powerful cast for Poseidon aspect?
I tried Artemis’ cast and it went well. I was lucky to get the +60% cast speed boon
Also two cast buff from Chaos
cloud vault
Electric Shot is pretty nice
split echo
Electric Shot is pretty nice
Is it great for boss too, or is it just a good AOE?
cloud vault
It's okay for bosses when you stack up Zeus boons but the main draw is how well it removes rooms.
split echo
I can see how it’s good when there are multiple enemies
cloud vault
It also goes well with Artemis in your build for Lightning Rod maybe Exit Wounds for bosses
Otherwise Phalanx Shot, Crush Shot are always good. Flood Shot is strong when you stack up on Poseidon boons.
serene zealot
Ok, first time with the demeter aspect on fists, hammer is offering either Colossus Knuckle or Rush Kick. Which would y'all take?
proven osprey
Not rush kick
dry ember
Neither tbh what's the third option?
proven osprey
^
serene zealot
Explosive Upper
dry ember
Yeah lol
serene zealot
I never remember to use dash upper so eh
dry ember
Time to learn
serene zealot
alright, sure
serene zealot
And now I get Dio/Athena duo from the shop, dang
stiff wigeon
Random question. Would people here be interested in comical videos about character builds?
dry ember
Yeah dude, meme vids on broken roguelite builds are usually quite popular, but it needs some heavy editing
dry ember
It would distract me from
From what?
strong hinge
f r o m
stiff wigeon
Cool. I have been planning it out and writing some possible jokes. Would likely be short videos, explaining character builds an unorthodox way. May also take requests and include other games like Diablo.
Dead Cells would be another good one, but I haven't played in a while. Been all-in on Hades, lately.
dry ember
It would distract me from
From what???
stiff wigeon
From the nothingness after the word "from"
unkempt scroll
Somebody talking about a car called chiron, and my mind goes "target-seeking bow?" 🙄
rare kindle
Chiron was a centaur first
unkempt scroll
I don't study centaurs
proven osprey
From what???
I lost inspiration
dry ember
Wdym you lost inspiration
proven osprey
to end the sentence
dry ember
It takes less to type the thing which you left out than to type "I lost inspiration"
proven osprey
wat
dry ember
From what, Astaos? From what?
dry ember
No don't bail him out. The bot needs to answer.
proven osprey
From what, Astaos? From what?
Well I don't know I had a bunch of idea like "my misery as a reset gamer" or something like that
dry ember
:(
proven osprey
So I posted the message because too lazy to delete it
dry ember
That sounds oddly sad ngl
proven osprey
Yeah sure!
What I've done this looks like #h1-high-heat-strategies
GY best aspect
Heart rend