h1-builds-and-combat

[fair tree]

i've seen people have 4 tokens

[real kernel]

Lucky Tooth or Chaos

[rare kindle]

Hope Chaos takes mercy on you and offers you their legendary

[fair tree]

ho boy

time to fight redacted again

[manic hull]

You got this!

[fallen lagoon]

i believe in you!

[fair tree]

#h1-victory-boasting

[fair tree]

what hidden aspect shoulld i go for

i have guan yu revealed but not unlocked

ive heard of a hella powerful build with the aspect of lucifer

[misty turret]

this run has been pain

i didn't get an attack/special boon until 3 rooms before theseus

[forest marsh]

Rama is my personal favourite hidden aspect

But go for whichever you think sounds the most fun

Some (like Guan Yu) will benefit greatly from being fully upgraded and feel terrible if they aren't

[gusty rapids]

i think the shield and bow hidden aspects are the best + most fun

i like them the most

they also dont really require that much titan blood to get going quickly

as opposed to something like guan yu lul

[manic hull]

Agreed. I usually lean more toward the bow, but I’ve been learning some tech for the shield and I’ve got to say, it’s super fun.

[hushed snow]

what's different about guan yu's special?

[misty turret]

spear disappears after you throw it instead of requiring you to get it

[manic hull]

It’s a higher damage projectile that you don’t recall. Also has a big hitbox.

[hushed snow]

does it do more damage?

[daring turtle]

it has a slight area of effect along its path too and does more damage

[hushed snow]

compared to the normal spear's special

[daring turtle]

and it doesn't return -

[hushed snow]

what do you mean by aoe along its path?

[daring turtle]

if it passes by an enemy it can still damage them

without hitting them directly

[hushed snow]

interesting

[daring turtle]

you also don't have to recall the spear, so you can throw it and use normal attacks right away

[fallen lagoon]

yea

[misty turret]

https://i.imgur.com/ZmMHe0V.png gaming

[brittle ember]

For the Hermes special speed increase, does it increase the rate of attack of blitz disk?

[keen mesa]

no, that's special

errr, wait

yes

sorry I read that wrong

it definitely increases the damage at which it travels

yeah, I've never noticed it deal damage faster, which is easy to see for things like lightning attacks or demeter stacks

[brittle ember]

Oh okay, so it sucks. Just goes where I send it faster, which may or may not even be a good thing

[manic hull]

It’s basically free money if you get a high rarity version, so at least that’s something I guess.

[magic glen]

So if I got dionysus aid, it does that damage per stack? So 31 x 5 every half a second?

[forest marsh]

Yes

[magic glen]

That's hot

[manic hull]

Yup, it’s really good for regular rooms and decent for bosses.

Also a great way to proc Second Wind and/or Billowing Strength because you don’t really need to save up all 4 stocks.

[forest marsh]

Yeah, you should really use Dio call in single charges

[manic hull]

It’s right up there with Zeus for the number 1 Smoldering Air candidate.

[magic glen]

Can you get 5 stacks in a single charge?

[manic hull]

Yup. More, actually. I think it’s 7?

[magic glen]

Oh nice

[thick raptor]

Man, I just cannot get Beowulf to work well for me, maybe because ares keeps overshooting with it?

[misty turret]

so close https://i.imgur.com/mwRlpVQ.png

[copper crest]

Yeah i feel you, do a quick charge and not the full charge, blade rift wont overshoot

[dry ember]

how on earth do you have affinity with Dad before everyone else. o.O

[proven osprey]

wow

Gotta respect your dad a bit more Fox

[regal garden]

its only

5 nectar

and the only requirement is 10 clears

so

no ambrosia or sidequest needed

he was the first bond i got

then cerberus

[echo radish]

Piercing ricochet or seeking on eris rail?

[dry ember]

piercing imo

[balmy portal]

ignoring shield users is golden

I don't think I've ever had seeking turn a miss into a hit ><

[short vapor]

Yeah but it looks cool

Sometimes i get hammers because it makes the weapon look cool

Quake cutter? Booty

Does it look cool?? Absolutely

Its actually not even that bad with aphro special

[merry ivy]

i'm trying to do a merciful end build with gilgamesh aspect right now, i have divine dash and attack doom, are these enough for the traditional merciful end build?

[proven osprey]

You need divine flourish

Prerequisites for ME is Curse of agony/Divine flourish or the other way around

Divine dash being mandatory to use it well ofc

[merry ivy]

ahh. it makes sense

thanks

[hushed snow]

for rama's attack, do you still have to time it with a flash? or just hold it for more damage

[echo radish]

Is peer pressure perpetual hangover on two enemies that stand next to one another

[daring turtle]

What's better? A chaos gate, or a double boon trial?

[keen mesa]

No because it only spreads every 4 seconds

Depends on the boons and if you want a chaos gate reward

[agile plover]

Is Zeus okay for zag fists?

[kindred rapids]

100%

[agile plover]

Word.

[pseudo stream]

anyone have any Chaos aspect advice? I can't get it on 32 heat. what kind of special do you go for?

[hushed snow]

for rama, if you plan on going the zeus special double strike build for special spamming, are the upgrades to the shared suffering necessary?

[daring turtle]

hammers that say "pierce foes" are supposed to bypass shields like greatshields right?

Wow, Smoldering Air + Poseidon's Aid + Rip Current is amazing
I get like 3-4 seconds of invincibility and massive damage every 5 seconds or less

[pseudo stream]

for Chaos shield, looks like Demeter+Artemis Duo + the charged shot is good

[short vapor]

Cerberus is the only bond I don’t have

Cant talk to dogs

Im sorry I’m a cat person

I’m about to try a lucifer run what is the best type of build for that

[pseudo stream]

I REALLY like Poseidon attack with the Zeus duo

but Zeus attack is also amazing on it

[short vapor]

Sea storm?

[pseudo stream]

knockback does lightning

Sea Storm, yeah

means the knockback does a bunch of damage while keeping things off you, and pushes things into specials

[short vapor]

Ooooo

I will try that

[pseudo stream]

if you can also get the Zeus legendary it's even more hilarious

[agile plover]

Fist does a ton of dps

[craggy rapids]

Is there a way to disable boons? Trying to do a boonless run is a bit tough because there is no way to avoid all of them.

[untold vortex]

selling them at pools of purging and avoiding them outright where possible

[craggy rapids]

Yeah, kind of tough to get to Meg without one. Would love to see a keepsake or mirror "upgrade" that disables them. Or at least the option to decline taking them when offered/purging pools outside of every boss room.

[tame bison]

If you have 3 boons at Meg, you just sell all of them right after

Or if you have 6 boons you sell 3, reroll once, sell 3 more

The issue is in Styx. Not at Meg

[craggy rapids]

Sure, but I believe Meg also might have a dialogue. Not a big deal, just something interesting.

[rare kindle]

AFAIK she only has dialogue about not using the mirror

[craggy rapids]

I find that I consistently get the sack on the second corridor, and thankfully that held true here as well. Managed to get to Hades with no Boons Arthur. Lets see how it goes.

[ripe glade]

I had a sick hunting build just now... I had infinite hunting blades.. 5 casts,.. with Stygian soul.. and zues shield..

[opal lodge]

2 sack is a 54.4% chance i believe

dietrich

[ripe glade]

blitz was doing lightning with jolts..

[tame bison]

I tried 5 boonless runs and got screwed every time in Styx and then was just off it

[ripe glade]

I like blind builds.. don't be scared to skip a God or two... don't always rush into a bulid the game offers in Tar..

I found a new mechanic I wasn't aware of... when you start a run... you get an option of whatever keepsake or whatever offered in the first room.. .

if offered a god.. and the Attack is an Epic... then you can choose 'Give Up'.... then re-plan your run.. knowing your first option will an Epic on your Attack... it works for any weapon or keepsake.... so long as you know.. you will always get an Epic for your first option..

[craggy rapids]

Got him, but it was tough and it was close. Arthur hits hard but damn is it slow

[tame bison]

Mmm Rare strong drink or epic Dio Aid in Tartarus...I really like dio call tbh. But this is probably easy drink

Oh I’m Fists. That’s relevant since melee uses the Dio call a little better 😛

[tulip flax]

Does doom damage increase with a attack damage chaos buff?

[tame bison]

No. It’s not an attack.

Your base attack damage yes but not the doom proc

[tulip flax]

Great to know, thank you

[stone mango]

Is it possible to level up Hermes dash boon?

And does it’s rarity cap at epic?

[rare kindle]

No, you can't level up Hermes anything

You can get its rarity higher via eurydice's ambrosia

[lean knot]

Can rare crop hit Hermes boons? Don't think I've ever seen it.

[vocal sierra]

how do i play with the fists I swear its impossible to pass theseus with it

[tame bison]

Yea it can hit Hermes boons

[lean knot]

Try zeus attack on fists. Hold attack and dash frequently

[vocal sierra]

thx

[stone mango]

If you have multiple dashes, do you have full invincibility between dashes?

[lean knot]

No

[stone mango]

As in, between the first and second dash, are you vulnerable?

[tame bison]

You can try hit and run too. Works really well specifically against Theseus/Minotaur. Put like Dio strike and just dive in, apply 3-4 dots and dive back out

[stone mango]

Assuming you mash dash

[lean knot]

There is a brief moment between dashes where you can get hit

[vocal sierra]

its so much easier with shield

[stone mango]

Kono dio da

[stone mango]

Rly?

Damn

Maybe I’ve just been real lucky

I always assumed you’d be basically invincible if you had 5 dashes

[tame bison]

Given that it’s not hard to get 5 dashes, that would be a pretty giant loophole for content haha

[stone mango]

Does Hermes not have his own keepsake for boon?

He gives an evade right?

[tame bison]

Lambent plume is Hermes keepsake

[stone mango]

He gives a feather that just does evasion right?

[rare kindle]

You're guaranteed two hermes in a run anyway

[hollow prairie]

His lambent plume is also a pre-req to get rush delivery so you don't have to have hyper sprint or greater haste to have a chance for it.

[vocal sierra]

i think i have 5 runs in a row where i died at hades

[daring turtle]

It would be cool if one of Hermes' legendary boons was granting a random extra boon every X encounters (e.g. Hermes communicating back and forth with other gods and you)

It's weird that legendaries for the messenger god are simply casting buffs

[vocal sierra]

make that 6 runs where i died at hades

[rain mist]

rip

i got the game 2 days ago and i have 12.5 hours in steam

and thats with me forcing myself to stop saying "just one more run"

[vocal sierra]

i have 24.4

[rain mist]

its a legit addiction

i honestly didn't believe the hype but its really something you just have to experience

[hollow prairie]

I have 240 hours. 🙂 I 100% completed the game a few weeks ago and it's still fun to play through. You can always go faster or do fights better.

[mossy nimbus]

damn okay, I think Aspect of Chiron is my favorite Coronacht Variety

especially when you combine with say, Dionysus', Ares', or maybe Zeus's boons

[hollow prairie]

Chiron with Ares' on special and Dire Misfortune is pretty powerful for sure

[vocal sierra]

is chaos usually worth it?

[mossy nimbus]

Oh for sure

Chaos' Shield?

[vocal sierra]

his boons

going down

[mossy nimbus]

Depends on whether you're willing to pay a price

most of the time, super worth it

[hollow prairie]

It usually is worth it because it's actually a free room and can let you skip a possibly painful chamber. Any + damage buffs are really nice too

[vocal sierra]

its like a isaac deal with the devil imo

[mossy nimbus]

I'd never pick a Chaos Boon where my curse is getting my HP draining because I click Left-click tho

[hollow prairie]

Chaos chambers also sometimes gives you additional choices when leaving if you don't like the choices you were given before going in

[vocal sierra]

i most of the times take em

[mossy nimbus]

Chaos' boon where the blessing is having +40% Coin earnings is super worth tho

[tame bison]

Would never take coin over anything related to dealing damage

Or health

So basically never haha

[mossy nimbus]

not if I can use it to buy Poms

[tame bison]

Poms have diminishing returns. Don’t care after 2

[vocal sierra]

i love stygius

with nemesis

i wonder how i can unlock the last one

[mossy nimbus]

@tame bison let's agree to disagree, then

aaaa i never completed a run with Stygius
i'm bad with the sword

[vocal sierra]

i completed my first clear with it

in 25 mins

[mossy nimbus]

Uhhh I think my first clear is with Varatha

but then again my favorite arms in the Varatha

[vocal sierra]

i never cleared it with the bow

[mossy nimbus]

I managed to clear one but only with Chiron's
i could not understand how to use the standard bow

I wanna do a "Shotgun Strat" with the standard bow but I keep forgetting

[vocal sierra]

Divine strike 77% damage or heroic drunken strike 7 damage every 0.5 sec?

should i exchange?

[mighty ermine]

depends on the weapon/aspect

[vocal sierra]

stygian nemesis

[mighty ermine]

keep divine strike for sure then

[vocal sierra]

thanks

[mossy nimbus]

Is 15% bonus damage from the Butterfly not bad?

[vocal sierra]

i just beat the game

yaaay

in 18 minutes

18:18.35

is that good

[daring turtle]

that's really good

[vocal sierra]

its my 4th clear

yay

[coarse moss]

pierced butterfly? it's not bad but, usually there's other things i'd take over it. something like this, God1 > God2 > coinpurse/god3/hourglass > acorn/hourglass

[mossy nimbus]

Yeah no I like Patroclus' Keepsake

it's super good when I'm doing melee runs

[coarse moss]

trying to avoid damage for butterfly makes runs feel tedious

[humble thicket]

The problem is that you lose the bonus if you change the butterfly with another keepsake

[slim lynx]

does mirage shot still work if i switch out my cast for another one?

[rare kindle]

Yeah, it should, it basically modifies all casts

With the exception of curse of drowning

[stray apex]

What boons is best for beowulf

[fair cairn]

Crush shot then trippy

I personally have some qol issues with crush shot but speedrunners swear by it

[feral sail]

I think Demeter boons are the most fun to stack

Aid + winter harvest + arctic blast BANGS

[tall radish]

whats the best cast with hera bow?

[mental lotus]

Hello

What are the best aspects?

[tall radish]

Best aspects for?

[mental lotus]

In general

[tall radish]

It's personal preference I would say

But my favs are

Zeus, hera , lucifer

[mental lotus]

What

Those are gods

[tall radish]

yea they are weapon aspects also

[mental lotus]

I'm talking about the permanent ones

That you upgrade with titan blood

[tall radish]

yeah im talking about those only

[feral sail]

yeah, those are aspects of zeus, hera, and lucifer

[mental lotus]

Oh my bad

Didnt realize some weapons had different ones

[feral sail]

my personal favorites are chiron, eris, and talos

[tall radish]

eris is prolly the best aspect, but im a hipster so i try not to use it

[gusty rapids]

in general its just hard to say

[mental lotus]

I guess I just upgrade the one for the weapon I use most?

[feral sail]

ha! i like the visual of chaotically standing under your own rocket fire and powering up

[gusty rapids]

eris is considered to be the best aspect for speedrunning, but perhaps not high heat

[feral sail]

with enough playthroughs you'll have plenty of blood to unlock them all

[mental lotus]

I only have the 3 starter ones

[gusty rapids]

so like its difficult to say about in general

[mental lotus]

No way

[tall radish]

huh i thought eris was best overall

[feral sail]

you'll want to anyways to get through the prophecies

[mental lotus]

I wanna beat it soon and move on to another game

[tall radish]

oh no you will be stuck with hades forever

[mental lotus]

I almost beat him

[feral sail]

depending on what your definition of "beat" is that'll be a really long time

[mental lotus]

I just need a good build and aspect

[feral sail]

killing hades is like... 20% of the way through all the game's content maybe

[tall radish]

any shield or bow aspect is good

[gusty rapids]

probably less tbh qwandra lmao

[mental lotus]

Ohh should I just upgrade Achilles on the sword? Attack speed seems good

I main sword

[tall radish]

its personal preference

[mental lotus]

But like is it good

[feral sail]

it's honestly personal preference

[mental lotus]

I dont wanna waste my bloods

[tall radish]

no weapon is actually bad per se

[mental lotus]

Raging rush seems decent too

[feral sail]

shield is easiest to cheese the final hades fight with imo

[untold vortex]

upon investing the blood give it a little play in the courtyard, if you don't like the feel quit and reload the save ^_^

[tall radish]

although shiel an bow have edge over others tbh

[mental lotus]

@untold vortex good tip

I hate shield

I dont wanna block

I wanna mash lol

And dodge slash

[tall radish]

fists are amazing for mashing

[mental lotus]

Idk I found them so weak

Took ages to beat bosses anf enemies

And I had attack boons

[tall radish]

which ones

zeus attackboon best with fists

[mental lotus]

I had the chill one

But idk I didnt like them

I like sword and spear

Is raging rush good?

Apparrently Chirron Bow is broken

[rain juniper]

charon is hella hard

[magic glen]

It's good if you get the right stuff

You gotta get the dash strikes and special spam going

[mental lotus]

@rain juniper as in hard to play?

[magic glen]

It's a little lackluster at low rank because only 4 projectiles, but it's pretty cool

[mental lotus]

It costs 5 to max no?

[magic glen]

Uhhh.. Yah I think

[mental lotus]

I have enough

I like broken stuff

[magic glen]

I mean, it's good but like, it's not broken good unless you're getting the dream build. It's def strong

[fair cairn]

15 to max at rank 5

Chiron is also not broken

[mental lotus]

Oof

Rip

[magic glen]

But most things are broken good if you're getting dream build

[fair cairn]

Chiron requires rank 4 or 5 to be truly effective

Hera works better at lower ranks

[magic glen]

Is it 15 for max really? Price increases?

Yah. Hera is really good

[fair cairn]

15/16 blood to max out

This applies to every non zag aspect

[magic glen]

Oh. It goes 12345 dont it?

[tall radish]

Titan blood farming is annoying tbh

[mental lotus]

Otherwise how do you get the hidden aspects??

[tall radish]

Have to grind on lower heats alot to get aspects

[fair cairn]

2nd and hidden aspect cost 15 to max, 3rd is 16

[magic glen]

Go to #h1-story-discussion and look at pins. There is a good pdf

Tells you how to get aspects

[fair cairn]

Not it's 3 blood per rank for most

[magic glen]

Ahh ok

[untold vortex]

it's 3 blood per rank for the hiden aspects specifically

[fair cairn]

All zag aspects cost 5 total which is a good deal

[magic glen]

Yah, esp since you gotta max em anyways

[untold vortex]

2nd aspects go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
3rd aspects go 2, 2, 3, 4, 5

[magic glen]

And hidden is? 33333

[fair cairn]

Yes

[magic glen]

So much blood

[fair cairn]

3rd aspect cost 1 more to max out

Eh

[magic glen]

I mean I guess it's not bad

[fair cairn]

By heat 10 or so you probably already got all aspects you want

[magic glen]

Get like what 6 blood per heat. Styx vendor and the broker each run

[fair cairn]

Like if you max out 1 non zag per weapon, it's only 90-96

[mental lotus]

Apparently Zagreus Spear is the best aspect to max first

[fair cairn]

That is only 7 heat

[magic glen]

Yah because you gotta unlock the hidden first before you can unlock others

Yah, you right. It felt like a lot more

[fair cairn]

You don't need to max out everything

[magic glen]

I'm on heat 3

[fair cairn]

Heat below like 10 are not fundamentally different

[magic glen]

And didn't clear with most weapons

Yah

[mental lotus]

No but I'm trying to figure out which one to max first

[magic glen]

I can see why

[brave reef]

what do you guys recommend for the Hera aspect with the bloodstones? 3 total or reloading?

[mental lotus]

So I can at least beat the game once lol

[magic glen]

3 total, try to get things to make it dislodge and stuff

[fair cairn]

If you can clear heat 0 no problem, you can easily do up to heat 10 or so with any aspect

Even without max rank

[magic glen]

Imo

[mental lotus]

They say zagreus spear is the best one to max first to beat the game for first time

[fair cairn]

For hera always use 3 cast

No there is only personal preference

[magic glen]

There is no real best to beat it with, but maxing zag spear first is optimal

[fair cairn]

All weapons in their base form are good enough for first clear

[magic glen]

And getting 5 unique non zag aspects

[mental lotus]

I cant decide between spear and sword

Apparently sword with attack speed and lifesteal is silly

[magic glen]

Stunt, so. Ignoring "best" weapon

The optimal path for unlocking hidden aspects is 5 unique aspects(non zag) and max zag spear

And then just need to get to boss with any weapon

[mental lotus]

Jesus

[magic glen]

All the hidden aspects are locked until you unlock the spear hidden one first

[mental lotus]

So thats like 80 bloods

[magic glen]

No

Like 10

[mental lotus]

Oh unlocking

[magic glen]

Yah

[mental lotus]

I thought maxing lol

[magic glen]

God no

[mental lotus]

Wait you need max spear? Or any zag aspect

[magic glen]

https://xd.adobe.com/view/b90bd0e4-4ae8-400b-709d-3305de01e6b3-cf3a/?fullscreen

Look at that

Will help you

[mental lotus]

Doesn't seem to work on mobile

Tuened off my pc

[magic glen]

#h1-story-discussion check pins, think second post

I'm wrong about needing to max zag spear. Just unlock 5 aspects that are not zag ones

So it's 5 bloods basically

[mental lotus]

Ty

I will max a zag one first though

To help me get my first escape

[tame bison]

Zag fist/sword/shield/bow are the best ones imo

[magic glen]

The gun looks so cool though

Pew pew

Gun go brrrrrt

[mental lotus]

@tame bison lol every one but the spear

Oh and gun

[magic glen]

The spear hidden is so weird

[mental lotus]

Apparently zag spear is really good though

[magic glen]

You gotta have it max to use it

It's got a huge downside

[tame bison]

More specifically would be Fist 1, shield 2, sword 3, bow if you like Bow

Zag spear is terrible

[mental lotus]

Rip

I guess I go sword then

[tame bison]

25% special dmg is less than a chaos boon and about equal to putting 1 Pom on your special Boon.

So you spend 5 blood for 1 Pom buff.

Yay...

[mental lotus]

Oof

Attack speed is always good though

[tame bison]

Zag spear is only special stuff, I believe? The wording is...tricky.

I believe it’s special speed, special range, and special damage

[mental lotus]

No I mean for sword

[magic glen]

So like. At rank one, it's -70% max health and healing

[tame bison]

Yeah it’s usable. Most high end sword builds just use dash strike

[magic glen]

Oh yeah. Sword good, just need to get used to the aura

[mental lotus]

Yeah I use dash strike a lot too...

[tame bison]

But you can do some fun stuff with Lambent Plume, zag sword, and Hermes %dmg based on movement speee

[mental lotus]

Interesting

[tame bison]

Dash strike not affected by zag sword atk speed

[mental lotus]

Rip

[tame bison]

Like Nemesis aspect, you special, cast, dash 2x, repeat.

You don’t attack

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mental lotus]

Well attack speed is useful with lifesteal, attack boons and zeus/poison i guess

Oh and the 200% thrust damage

[tame bison]

Yeah you can do like zag sword flurry strike and then Zeus/Dio boon is pretty funny

At the least zag sword gives you a different build path than the other aspects

The Zag spear aspect lets you do...the exact same thing as the other aspects

Only worse

[mental lotus]

Should I be using keepsakes to try and get specific boons?

[magic glen]

Only if they help your weapon and stuff

Or you looking to complete fates

[tame bison]

I mean that is how you make a build

[magic glen]

Yar

[tame bison]

God1///god 2 start is pretty standard for trinkets

Keepsakes, whatever

[magic glen]

I just yolo still

[mental lotus]

Wait how do you equip more than 1 keepsake?

[icy glade]

you can change after the boss fight

[magic glen]

I never know what I wanna do, but that demeter boon where if all foes are chilled, they take decay damage, it's so insane

[tame bison]

Unlock it from the architect thing

[magic glen]

Man, it makes boss fights so much easier

Just a constant DoT

[tame bison]

Yeah killing freeze. It’s great in bosses

If you’re ever real tired of Theseus, get killing freeze and rupture haha

[magic glen]

Lol

I hate him so much. Like, he's not hard, but takes forever to kill

Him and legit poison in Styx just suck so much

I'm not good with the poison mechanic and finding fountain or I guess not getting poisoned

[tame bison]

I’m bad with it too. The rats are actually worse than Satyrs bc they poison all over melee chars

[magic glen]

Yah. As range I hate satyrs. As melee, the big rats

[mental lotus]

So true

[magic glen]

I dint even do the skull rooms anymore unless it's something I really need

[mental lotus]

The enemy I hate the most though is the damn butterfly thing

[magic glen]

You can pop the butterflies

[mental lotus]

Oh nice

[magic glen]

Uhh..

I guess butt is a bad word

Def not retyping that out

[rain juniper]

is there a build (not counting aspects) for bow that makes it have like a rapid fire playstyle or smth

[dry ember]

Flurry Twin Shot

[mighty ermine]

flurry shot is a hammer upgrade which makes bow act that way

[rain juniper]

ah

[dry ember]

Yup, try the Flurry Shot and Twin Shot combo. It's fun.

[rain juniper]

aight ty ima try it

i love gauntlets but i'm tryna complete the game with all weapons starting with gauntlets, and now bow

[slim lynx]

does impending doom and dire misfortune synergize well?

[dry ember]

Yup

Though Merciful End kinda yeet that synergy out of the window.

But yes, still.

[turbid needle]

any fun builds

[rain juniper]

how do ppl play bow against theseus and minotaur

[dry ember]

Dash Strike to shave your Powe Shot timing

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle Guan Yu Tempest Strike spin build.

[proven osprey]

You've become the very thing you swore to destroy

[cunning urchin]

They asked for fun builds. It is a fun build.

[verbal prism]

What is a good demeter fists build?

[olive spruce]

zeus attack, artemis special

dio attack is good too

[vital wing]

what is the best rail build?

[olive spruce]

eris cluster rocket bombs

with aphrodite or artemis on the special

[vital wing]

@olive spruce i honestly have no idea what that is lol

[olive spruce]

the cluster bomb and rocket bomb hammers

[short vapor]

Holy moly

I never even thought of that

[olive spruce]

absolutely incredible damage

easy 32 heat final boss fight for me

[tall radish]

omg i love hera aspect with crush shot

[tall radish]

i assume something that either procs alot like hangover, zeus, crit on the special

since the description says special hits multiple times

with demeter i guess its possible to put two status effects

[open matrix]

Just spent a lot of blood for Excalibur, is it even worth it ;

%

?

I thought excalibur is needed to slain Skelly

._.

[turbid needle]

Well it will definitly increase your health and your special...I think

[untold vortex]

have you left the courtyard yet @open matrix ?

[open matrix]

no

wiíth that sword?

i havent

[untold vortex]

quit and reload the save then ^_^

you need to do the thing with ||maxed out zag sword||

quiting and reloading is so you get the invested blood back (hence the question before)

[open matrix]

man i hope it wasnt saved xd

yep.. i still have excalibur

._.

damn

[turbid needle]

do you still have your blood ?N

[open matrix]

nope

[untold vortex]

you must have either started the run or went back into the house

[open matrix]

i went back to the house

😄

[untold vortex]

yeah that'd do it

[open matrix]

goddamn 😄

is there even some good build on exca ?

[untold vortex]

artemis or aphrodite on attack works quite well

artemis for big swings of crit

[turbid needle]

I go ares with all my weapons

[untold vortex]

aphro for straight good raw damage

[short vapor]

This run sucks 😦

[untold vortex]

aphrodite on attack + zeus call also opens up smoldering air

[turbid needle]

Ares and Dyonisos is cool too

[untold vortex]

they are, just not the best for Arthur builds

[untold vortex]

oof what happened?

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike on Excalibur for damage. Heartbreak Strike for damage and ridiculous eHP.

[short vapor]

Got the wrong hammers :/

[hidden hornet]

Damn aspect of chiron is so fun, too bad it doesn't synergize with a lot of gods specials

[tall radish]

it does right, with hangover and doom

[hidden hornet]

Yeah I just mean Zeus in particular

[tall radish]

i think special should synergize with zeus in theory

[hidden hornet]

Damn does that thing actually do nothing

[untold vortex]

yeah, when it was first introduced it was monstrous with zeus special

[hidden hornet]

Made sense

[untold vortex]

it's kinda the reason for the 0.2 second single target internal being added to zeus special

[hidden hornet]

Yeah poseidon special is pretty memey with chiron but I assume it's not actually good

[open matrix]

lmao excalibur is kinda fun

[hidden hornet]

Kinda want to try different weapons but the only thing I enjoy is chiron right now

[cunning urchin]

Heart Rend and Low Tolerance are both very strong on Chiron.

[short vapor]

Very unfun rail run

I think I’m gonna stick with lucifer and zag aspect

[cunning urchin]

Frost Flourish doesn't have the DPS those two have, but the easy application of Chill makes especially boss fights very safe.

[hidden hornet]

I kinda wish the nuke for 10 chills did more damage

[proven osprey]

yeah

Not pommable

rip

[cunning urchin]

She gets more damage from Killing Freeze than from Arctic Blast.

Killing Freeze is really really good.

[hidden hornet]

Like you'd rather keep 10 stacks than do that

The Arctic blast is nice with the chill on crystal beam though but it does so little damage since it's flat

[proven osprey]

even the rarity does not do much

[cunning urchin]

With Chiron you'll apply 8 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 0 stacks of Chill with Arctic Blast, and then 8 again with the next one. That's +0 damage on the first, and +80 damage on the four Volleys after that (or +100%). On average that's +64 damage or +80%. But since a lot of enemies will die well before a fifth Volley, it's a lot less than that. +50% if they die from two Volleys or +66.6% if they die from three.

Getting no extra damage on the first Volley kinda sucks, but Relentless Volley would solve that.

[hidden hornet]

Omg I was doing an erebus and coughed so I got hit

[proven osprey]

r e s e t

[hidden hornet]

Basically

[cunning urchin]

Coughing kills.

This is proof.

[proven osprey]

I have a seed with an Aphro Erebus

with demonic numbskulls

it's good movement practice

[cunning urchin]

Numbskulls are easy to avoid if they don't spawn offscreen with Speeder.

Or like right when your dash is on CD.

[proven osprey]

It's speed + chariots

• doomstones

and savior

[cunning urchin]

With Relentless Volley, Arctic Blast just becomes straightup +80 damage or +67% essentially on every Special (but it doesn't scale with Concentrated Volley).

[proven osprey]

It's dedication

Damage calculation on a trash boon

[cunning urchin]

2 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 0 stacks of Chill. It actually procs twice on every fifth Relentless Volley. So it's on average +96 or +80% damage on tanky enemies.

[hidden hornet]

Demeter just has a lot of bad boons for no reason

[cunning urchin]

Which is just bosses and minibosses.

[open matrix]

lmao excalibur is so op actually

[turbid needle]

uhhh guys

i got legend catch as my first boon even though i had thunder signet

is that a glitch or something

[hidden hornet]

Nope it's bass rage time

[turbid needle]

huh?

[cunning urchin]

That would mean it's actually pretty good on Chiron. Especially when you factor in that damage is AOE. Hitting just two enemies with that Arctic Blast every time would double the damage it adds. Hitting three would triple it. Etc.

[short vapor]

I think its a c+

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle that's a scripted event.

The next boon you see will be from Lord Zeus.

[turbid needle]

oh why does it happen

[hearty condor]

@open matrix it really is. i haven't figured out the timing on the attack combo yet tho and it gets me killed

[hidden hornet]

Did you unlock the fishing rod recently hurricane

[cunning urchin]

Because you can fish now, and Poseidon wants to help you out with that.

[open matrix]

@hearty condor Yeah right 😁

[hearty condor]

just got the waking phrase for aspect of lucifer! hell yes

[cunning urchin]

9x Attack + 1x Dash-Attack is 160 damage on Malphon, so Arctic Blast would add +50% damage. Common Lv.1 Frost Strike with that would add 64 + 80 = 144 damage. Common Lv.1 Lightning Strike would add 100 damage. That's not too bad, either.

[proven osprey]

Isn't lightning strike more aoe tho

since it's aoe from the first hit

And that artic blast is a t2 boon

Yeah I mean

w/e

[nimble plank]

how do i use chaos aspect on shield?

all the shields just miss the target

do i need some specific boons?

[cunning urchin]

But you also get the Slow effect and potentially Killing Freeze, which does a ton of damage.

[proven osprey]

Yeah that's true

I love Killing Freeze too be it's like a legendary

I never get it

[cunning urchin]

She kinda has too many t1 boons tbh.

One of which you don't want ever on high heat, and one of which you don't want 95% of the time.

10 t1 boons. I think other gods have at most 9.

[rain juniper]

in mid of a run usin bow. twin shot with flurry shot? or twin shot and piercing volley

[slim lynx]

sea storm or smouldering air? i have dio's aid

[cunning urchin]

Smoldering Air.

[proven osprey]

And don't forget to spam your call

[slim lynx]

billowing strength or storm lightning? i already have second wind, smouldering air and dio's call

[proven osprey]

Billowing

[cunning urchin]

Billowing Strength for sure, yeah.

[slim lynx]

but i already have thunder strike, flurry shot and ricochet

i'm using rail

[proven osprey]

It's ok you are now melee rail

Which is what Eris is anyway

[cunning urchin]

Billowing Strength is a global damage buff that you'll have up pretty much 99% of the time if you have Smoldering Air.

[slim lynx]

i'm not even using eris lol\

i'm using maxed zag because i wanna get lucifer and i might as well use it since it's my strongest rail aspect

[cunning urchin]

Well, you now have budget Eris with Billowing Strength lol.

But more ammo.

[slim lynx]

and also 30 shots per clip

[fair cairn]

and also dont need to wait for specials to land

[slim lynx]

and also i already got the awakening-phrase

and also exclusive access

[proven osprey]

Pog

[slim lynx]

you know what else would be pog?

clouded judgement

because zeus is also here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/796008873089171486/Hades_28.png

which one now

[cunning urchin]

Is this after Elysium?

[slim lynx]

yeah

[cunning urchin]

Evergreen Acorn is really good for Hades.

But you can keep Broken Spearpoint if poison is a problem.

Helps a lot with that.

[slim lynx]

that reminds me i should probably focus on maxing out some of the more useful keepsakes

would help to have a 3-star acorn

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[swift patio]

Yeah. It's 5

If you max it

[cunning urchin]

I think just maxing out all the keepsakes helps a lot and is just fun tbh. You get to try a lot of different things.

[slim lynx]

yeah i'll just go with the acorn since poison isn't too much of an issue to me

[proven osprey]

Except distant memory

[slim lynx]

i can't see distant memory being very good if you're using rail since the enemy can just walk up to you

surprised the explosion hammer doesn't cause enemies to be stunlocked

i now have a gatling gun-dio's aid spam build

thanks hermes

the vermin died so goddamn fast lmao

[short vapor]

Does minotaur rush actually do anything on a charge shot beowulf shield

[slim lynx]

sub 25 minutes 😳

[proven osprey]

[rain juniper]

any tips for hugging dad with bow

like how exactly do you do it

[proven osprey]

But you hate bow

[rain juniper]

im forcing myself to use it

[daring turtle]

Rama destroys him
Just get Twin Shot and Perfect Shot (or point blank or the long range one)

Add in a powerful attack boon, and maybe a chaos boon, hunter dash too if you can get it.

After applying shared suffering, your every shot will deal more than 2000 damage with perfect shots. If you also have pressure points, I can't imagine how much damage a crit would do

[tepid cosmos]

no hay nadie español T.T

[proven osprey]

un poquito

[tepid cosmos]

ojo

[misty turret]

https://i.imgur.com/J6qUeSa.jpg finally

[icy glade]

congrats

[rain juniper]

gz

[turbid needle]

any good builds or tips for the Stygian Blade(no hidden aspect)

[tame bison]

Practice dash striking for the majority of your attacks. You don’t actually want to attack strangely

Aside from if you get cursed slash/flurry slash etc ofc

You could do Artemis dash+aphro attack with their duo and some random status on special like Doom. You could try full revenge and get the Ares/Zeus Duo plus every revenge boon possible

You could just try for hunting blades

And do a cast build

[rain juniper]

is it me or the theseus and minotaur fight is harder than hades

[graceful cloak]

not really just take one at a time

[dire heron]

At least for me, yes lol. Managed to almost kill ||Hades|| on my first try but constantly get killed by theseus and bull of minos

[rain juniper]

same

except for the first try part

[dire heron]

Yeah I managed to get a cumulative 7 death defiances out of that run with Kiss of Styx premium, Chaos, and Athena

[vocal sierra]

Hell nah

I can destroy them every run but sometimes hades kills me

[misty turret]

between aspect of hestia and aspect of lucifer which one should i max first

[proven osprey]

Hestia really needs to be upgraded

50 -> 150 base damage on empowered shot

[misty turret]

welp im gonna try out lucifer

[tame bison]

Hestia is amazing

You think it needs more damage?

[proven osprey]

No, I mean that the aspect benefits a lot from titan blood investment while Lucy, not so much

[tame bison]

Ahh

[frail schooner]

Lucifer doesn’t need upgrades much yeah

[kindred whale]

greater consecration or shadow slash on arthur

[limber galleon]

Is Delta chamber recommended for Rail ?

[turbid needle]

what casts are good for cast builds?

[slim lynx]

is it worth maxing out battie? i only have a few ambrosia but more than enough to max it out already

[proven osprey]

it's a really good companion yeah

[proven osprey]

it's ok but nothing amazing

[dire heron]

Yeah, most likely why it cannot be used on Furies or ||Hades|| for balance reasons

[proven osprey]

depends on the aspect, but usually Zeus/Poseidon

[turbid needle]

i have poseidon aspect

[proven osprey]

You can't use it on Furies for obvious reasons, but you will be able to use it on Hades later on

[proven osprey]

Electric shot is your way to go then

[turbid needle]

even for bosses?

nvm actually

ty for the help

[proven osprey]

Yeah, try to aim for exit wounds

[dire heron]

Huh, didn't know you could use it on ||Hades|| later on. According to wikis at least it just say you can't

[proven osprey]

Well it's wrong

[turbid needle]

ill probably go with zeus cast, zeus legendary, exit wounds, and lightning rod

[regal garden]

any tips for leveling keepsakes that arent like

[proven osprey]

If you encounter Poseidon, don't forget about mirage shot

[regal garden]

too combat based or helpful with builds

because like so many of my keepsakes are unleveled

[proven osprey]

What keepsake do you think about?

[regal garden]

the top row

mostly if you want a broad thing

outside of the lucky tooth

i dont think the bottom row will be as hard to level

but just not really sure how to incorporate many on the top row into a build and use them to level them up to 3 for the achievement

[errant narwhal]

the wiki does say you can use it against the final boss eventually though

[regal garden]

isnt that by

hearts

ive already got hades to max hearts

[proven osprey]

There's no good answer imo. The keepsakes you mentioned will make you lose control of your build. I guess you coul pick your main god in tartarus and then change to level it up. Then low heat runs, clearing all satyr tunnels

[regal garden]

yeah

would like

i could level cerberus one by using it in styx right

that gives max health so wouldnt really damage a build

[proven osprey]

yeah

It will take you a while I guess

[regal garden]

i might stick with

[proven osprey]

but it's ok

[regal garden]

the acorn next few runs in elysium and styx

to get it to 3

helped me alot against theseus and asterius last run so might as well get it to 3 cause its good

[proven osprey]

Yeah it's really god for the last 2 biomes

[regal garden]

yeah

the hermes one is one you use for the whole run right

like you start with it and dont give it up cause you lose your boosts otherwise

same with thanatos

?

[kindred whale]

best mirror of night for arthur attack build?

[misty turret]

im liking aspect of lucifer

its nice

[olive spruce]

yup

[kindred whale]

is ruthless reflex good?

[proven osprey]

@regal garden yeah for both, range weapon for thanatos

[misty turret]

i use ruthless reflex a lot

[kindred whale]

on arthur?

[misty turret]

i use it with everything but yeah

[proven osprey]

Having 2 dashes is much more valuable

[regal garden]

wdym range weapon for thanatis

[proven osprey]

You should use one

[regal garden]

is that a strategy

ok

[proven osprey]

Because not getting hit is easier at long range

[regal garden]

oh yeah cause

undamaged

[olive spruce]

I only use it on hidden fists aspect

because I like having 2 dashes more

[kindred whale]

k ty

[olive thistle]

do you guys have any favorite dionysus builds?

[kindred whale]

and for arhur keepsake do you think hermes is the best?

[olive spruce]

poison fists and poison rail are both good

[proven osprey]

No, Arthur is not a fast weapon

[kindred whale]

exactly

[proven osprey]

It can be if you invest a bit of time

[kindred whale]

you get mov speed

[olive spruce]

swift strike on arthur is great

[kindred whale]

or does thanatos butterfly

[olive thistle]

thanks! so im guessing aspect of eris for rail is good?

[olive spruce]

but the lambent plume doesn't give you that

[tame hedge]

What's the easiest way to farm blood?

[olive spruce]

extremely good

[proven osprey]

winning

[olive spruce]

since the damage bonus applies to hangover stuff

[olive thistle]

ok thanks haha

[proven osprey]

and checking the deal of the day between each run

[kindred whale]

whats swift strike

[olive spruce]

it's a hermes boon

[tame hedge]

Is there any use for diamonds after the contractor upgrades for chamber rewards/erebus gates?

[muted herald]

whats considered a good time for a run?

[tame hedge]

Beyond trades.

[muted herald]

and contractor gives diamond cost house of hades upgrades

[tame hedge]

Ugh.

[regal garden]

um

buying music stand songs

contracts

[tame hedge]

All stuff I haven't gotten then. Thank ya. 💛

[kindred whale]

does nobody use arthur I go to victory boasting and dont see any arthurs

[icy glade]

depends on heat, but ballpark ave should be 15-20 mins, lower for speedrunning strats

[muted herald]

how do you get that fast

[regal garden]

(as in like contracts you need to complete a favour for some characters )

[muted herald]

fastest ive gotten is sub 22

[turbid needle]

don't take that long making decisions on gates

[icy glade]

a lot of practice and dying

[turbid needle]

don't take that long making decisions on gates

[olive spruce]

Arthur is my favourite sword aspect

[muted herald]

arthur and nemesis are the only sword aspects i like using

[kindred whale]

what keepsake do you use on it

[muted herald]

butterfly

get some crit and it slaps

[icy glade]

once you've gotten a grasp of the game, it'll be easier to recognize patterns and know what to do on reflex

[olive spruce]

aphrodite > athena > pom

[kindred whale]

so aphrodite

[olive spruce]

artemis is good too but I haven't gotten it to work for me

[turbid needle]

what is the best cast weapon? poiseidon, hera, achilles, or beowulf?

[olive spruce]

achilles

for most damage

[kindred whale]

for aphrodite I go with attack special or dash?

[olive spruce]

aphro attack

[turbid needle]

attack

special sometimes

usually attack

[muted herald]

aphro attack has the biggest multiplier?

[turbid needle]

yeah

[olive spruce]

and weakens enemies

[muted herald]

out of all the gods, at least

[turbid needle]

her dash is kinda weak

[icy glade]

preference, since each needs a diff gimmick to work. achilles is most popular cause its just bull rush to cast. personally, beowulf is mad fun and can wipe rooms in seconds

[muted herald]

im scared of using beowulf

[kindred whale]

@olive spruce how does your mirror look like

[olive spruce]

I find beowulf hard to use, but fun when things come together

[muted herald]

beowulf and the gan yu

[turbid needle]

beowulf sometimes feels delayed for me, and sometimes the range seems small

[icy glade]

it does take a while, i watch @opal lodge for reference, pretty good at beowulf-ing

[olive spruce]

red except for dark regeneration, dark foresight, and fated persuasion

[kindred whale]

ty

[muted herald]

idk i just really like chaos aspect too much

just cover the entire room with shields

[olive spruce]

I love chaos aspect

[icy glade]

that's all good, chaos is fun. i think thats the first shield i maxed

[muted herald]

i maxed zag aspect first

had a lot of fun with it and poseidon knockbacks

[icy glade]

[olive spruce]

I don't think I've ever cleared with zag shield

[kindred whale]

do you ever prock privilage

a lot?

with arthur

or is it his pure strength

[olive spruce]

I try to go for athena dash + blinding flash

I'm a very lazy player so it works pretty well for me

if you were to go artemis on attack I think family favorite would be better than privileged status

[turbid needle]

i never found choas aspect great, despite what people say

[kindred whale]

il try both

[olive spruce]

did you try a merciful end build

[muted herald]

i just finished a run, got the legendary zeus boon with chaos aspect

[turbid needle]

I think so, is that athena attack ares special?

[muted herald]

just lightning bolt everything

[olive spruce]

yup, some of the most fun I've had playing hades

[turbid needle]

maybe I need to watch a video

[olive spruce]

also needs impending doom for enough damage

curse of longing is great too, aphro attack and ares special

[muted herald]

i think i have a massive hard-on for any projectile build with zeus+artemis

and any ares cast builds

[olive spruce]

hunting blades achilles is amazing when it comes together

[muted herald]

bouncing spear with zeus special

and yeah hunting blades

especially with the legendary boon

i had the vacuum blade rift with the legendary just now, didnt feel as strong

though def still really good

[olive spruce]

I think a good hunting blades build has all those tier 2 rift boons as well

but one time I didn't manage to get them and instead got the artemis legendary

which was also amazing

[muted herald]

the +2 cast?

[coarse moss]

aspect of zeus is like hunting blades but its free xD

[muted herald]

yeah that's a banger

real slow tho

[misty turret]

heck there's still like 4 duos i haven't got yet

that 15 ambrosia reward is very incentivizing

[coarse moss]

zeus shield is slow if you throw it from long range, but if you treat it like a melee throw and recall it as soon as its about to pass the enemy, it does insane dps

[misty turret]

ares/poseidon, athena/zeus, dionysus/zeus, ares/demeter

[honest wing]

ares poseidon was one of my first ones

[misty turret]

so ig ill try for those

oh i dont have curse of drowning because i never take flood shot

makes sense

[muted herald]

aph ares was the first one i ever tried

was kinda nice

[honest wing]

ares athena is so good tho

[muted herald]

idk how i feel about demeter poseidon

ive never felt like it hits stuff consistently

[misty turret]

and my first two boons were flood shot and blade dash

game is being nice i guess

[olive spruce]

yup, that one

[misty turret]

welp i got it pretty quick

[olive spruce]

it does so much damage!

I remember I got it once and just melted the final boss

[misty turret]

and then demeter shows up so i can get demeter/ares

game is too kind

er wait idk if that will work or not hmm

[turbid needle]

zeus aspect is at least interesting to play, very different

it's great with zeus special

[open matrix]

Any good build for fists? I'd say aphrodite's weak but.. im not sure

[olive spruce]

zeus or dio attack

or you could try for merciful end

[turbid needle]

@olive spruce does that still hold for gilgamesh?

[olive spruce]

no IMO, for gilgamesh I go aphro attack

again artemis might be better, but I haven't gotten it to work for me

[kindred whale]

@olive spruce for hammer of arthur should I go consecration or breaching slash

[turbid needle]

I did a aphro gilgamesh run, wasn't very fun

[olive spruce]

both are good, I'd go breaching slash

[turbid needle]

does collar > tooth?

[kindred whale]

ty

[turbid needle]

neither @turbid needle

collar = tooth?

[misty turret]

every single one of the duos im missing involves a cast

ofc

[turbid needle]

yeah, but both bad

[olive spruce]

what's wrong with tooth?

[turbid needle]

just build up your death defiances and health with the mirror and use other keepsakes

[misty turret]

tooth is ok but i'd only ever equip it in styx if i was afraid i'd die on hades

[regal garden]

tooths nice as a

i use it alot in styx

just as insurance

[turbid needle]

tooth is okay I guess if you get to the end without all your death defiances

[misty turret]

and collar is just not that useful when other keepsakes exist

[regal garden]

never needed it too much now

[misty turret]

collar good early on if you dont have mirror hp

[turbid needle]

yeah collar is okay when you're learning and can't clear the game yet

but coin bag is arguably better

[twilit spoke]

anyone know a good aspect of poseidon build?

[misty turret]

the artemis boon that does damage when you dislodge a bloodstone works well with it

exit wounds i think

[olive spruce]

a cast that lodges in enemies

e.g. crush shot

or lightning phalanx

[twilit spoke]

thanks

would the poseidon AOE cast work?

[olive spruce]

yeah

[proven osprey]

Electric shot, jolted, exit wounds

[twilit spoke]

ty for the help

[olive spruce]

with the flood shot duo boons it gives you more damage

so that's nice too

[kindred whale]

greater consecration or hoarding slash

[olive spruce]

greater consecration

[kindred whale]

ty

because hoarding slasyh

is kinda risky

[olive spruce]

hoarding slash isn't that good, since apparently it only adds damage at the end on top of everything else

[kindred whale]

I also got piercing wave

[turbid needle]

i like to spend my coin

[kindred whale]

but I think its the worst

[olive spruce]

instead of base damage like one would expect

[misty turret]

greater consecration is the one that makes the hallowed ground bigger right

[kindred whale]

or is piercing wave good?

[misty turret]

that one i usually always take

[kindred whale]

yes

ty

[olive spruce]

piercing wave is okay imo

but not amazing

[turbid needle]

i like the double special hit for sword

makes me feel like thor

[olive spruce]

double edge is good too

i only learned the other day that i could reliably dash strike by pressing both buttons at the same time

[turbid needle]

i actually like cursed slash, just have to remember to use it on the boss battles

[olive spruce]

and i've been playing since september

[olive spruce]

my first ever clear was with cursed slash

i think it's pretty good on arthur too, because of the extra health

cursed slash + life affirmation + heartbreak strike seems like a good build to me

[turbid needle]

double nova and super nova is pretty boss... love that with Athena special or aphro

demeter works too, especially if you have killing freeze

I'll still learning to use dash attack more often

[stone harbor]

Arthur does not have enough attack speed to really make use of cursed slash

[wispy fossil]

Does vicious skewer only increase critical chance by 50% for 1 hit upon recovery?

[hushed snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_v-stIIe8A&t=697s&ab_channel=Haelian

in this build, how is he able to continually place casts past the normal limit of 3?

[misty turret]

mfw

i turned on EM4 in my 12 heat bow run by accident

[turbid needle]

@hushed snow stygian soul vs infernal soul

[verbal prism]

He is using stygian soul from the mirror and then he got 2 extra casts + the standard 1

[turbid needle]

it has a cool down so he can place another before the first is done shooting

bad news is a great boon for that build

[kindred whale]

I just got a 450 hp run

[turbid needle]

i want crystals, with fricken lazers on their heads

[verbal prism]

Anyone one have any ideas for a good lucifer rail build?

[misty turret]

i had some good fun with zeus attack when i used it

[gray lintel]

the most fun build I ever had was Demeter Cast and Attack, Athena special, and like 4 regenerating casts.

This technically isn't specifically for that weapon but I've found it works well due to being able to set stuff up like a tower defense and thematically meshing :p

You just play your own tower defense game where you set up a dozen beam turrets, protect yourself by playing keep away, and just watch everything melt in a glorious laser light show.

[misty turret]

ohhh themes

game didnt tell me i had unlocked these

[gray lintel]

The SECOND most fun build I had was Hazard Bomb hidden aspect.

it's. uh. difficult.

[kindred whale]

between fist and shield what 4th aspect should I get next

[gray lintel]

fist

100% fist

[terse mist]

seconding fist

[kindred whale]

ty

talos or demeter

for fist

[misty turret]

i prefer demeter

[gray lintel]

spoilered in case: ||It has two extra dashes just innate(for 3-4 dashes in total), you can hold the dash to autodash to save your poor fingers, it's special does like way stupid amounts of damage when fully leveled at the risk of... well... risk... and it's attacks chunk people. My fastest clear weapon by far. it is so fun||

Neither. Zagreus.

[misty turret]

maim funne

mfw maim hades and then eat a 60 damage spin

[gray lintel]

demeter is weird tbh, it is fun but kind of bursty. You also apparently need to trigger it with a dash-upper every time for 5 hits of 40 damage each. but that's still only 200 damage total :S

[misty turret]

it makes all uppers hit bonus times afaik

[gray lintel]

it works on the regular special too yes, but without the dash it's only 30 damage per hit not 40 :p

which is admittedly not a huge difference but eh.

[misty turret]

ok this time i will try for dio/zeus

[gray lintel]

tbh I like Talos because the GET OVER HERE special is fun and the bonus damage is nice for flexing between attack and cast builds

[terse mist]

i bet you can guess what my favorite is lol

altho demeter fist is fun as well

[rare kindle]

Talos looks fun for blizzard shot and curse of drowning builds

[turbid needle]

what's the best yoyo build for talos?

is it poisidon special?

[gray lintel]

i don't know how the pull and poisidon special works to be quite honest