like if you are doing beowulf or hera +1 cast might allow you to burst down a target where you couldnt with 1 less
#h1-builds-and-combat
fair cairn
and yes if you have dio + zeus duo, +1 cast allow you to lock down a much bigger field
on top of being able to one shot somethings you other wise might not be able to
quick birch
Thanks to those who gave me help earlier. Cleared with lv 3 Zag bow and lots of luck as of a few ago.
echo radish
What hammers am I looking for with arthur
Got offered cursed slash and consecration
Also piercing wave but I doubt that ones worth it
turbid needle
You ever have a Hammer spawn that hates your current Dark Thirst Aspect?
I take Chiron, 3 Attack Hammers.
I take Zag, 3 Special Hammers.
tame bison
Hera bow, Dio cast, feast, and Zeus legend yay.
echo radish
Why is the dash strike sometimes a slice on arthur
unkempt pagoda
arthur has a special property that lets you dash between attacks in the attack combo
making it much more mobile than it seems
these don't count as proper Dash-Strikes, though, that is the jab
echo radish
Oooh I did not know about this, wow it feels much easier to play now
I was wondering how to make the third hit land in fo2 lmao
unkempt pagoda
you can also do the same with the special, if you dash immediately after pressing the special button
echo radish
do these things take dash strike bonuses?
unkempt pagoda
nope! they aren't proper Dash-Strikes™️
fair cairn
picked "can not collect cast for 11s" for cast damage
immediately encounters power couple
yeah that's an instant bail
modern lichen
arthur has a special property that lets you dash between attacks in the attack c...
I think it's the delay time between when you input the special and the impact of it, but yeah I do that all the time
tame bison
Power couple is what?
modern lichen
Arthur is the best hidden aspect bc of the aura alone
turbid needle
megagorgon
tame bison
Ahh
fair cairn
the big gorgon and the rock
turbid needle
Rama says hello
modern lichen
Middle management megagorgon 😬
echo radish
Not completely sold on arthur
tame bison
Did you need your cast? Lol
turbid needle
mm fo2 megagorgon
echo radish
I like fast swords
fair cairn
beowulf apro cast build you tell me 
modern lichen
mm fo2 megagorgon
To be honest, the stone crusher is worse
tame bison
Yeah crushed sucks on MM
modern lichen
Bc of the shockwave 😬😬
20 damage each hit, and you can get hit multiple times, and the aoe is the entire arena
rustic spade
Gotta ask, what's the best aspect for Stygius?
I've heard arthur, but I'm not entirely sure why
Like, the aura is nice
But considering how much one has to dodge and move around
turbid needle
nemesis/arthur r my two favorite aspects in the game
candid kernel
Apologies if this isn't the right channel to ask in, but what do I have to do to unlock the 4th aspect on each weapon? I tried following a guide I found online and I'm beginning to think I did something either incorrect or just haven't played long enough still
turbid needle
pins in #h1-story-discussion
candid kernel
pins in <#521035166471159828>
ty!
turbid needle
np
rustic spade
I got the game on the eve of the 23rd and I've got like, 60 hours in since lmfao
turbid needle
bustin out The List again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/794102908790505502/my-image_21__01.png
chiron really was like broccoli
fair cairn
all 4 rail aspects are at least B tier
turbid needle
I only use hestia
fair cairn
Hestia is easily S
turbid needle
also this is an enjoyment tier list
opal lodge
hestia is so enjoyable
turbid needle
not a meta one
opal lodge
grinding hestia is not enjoyable
fair cairn
for enjoyment I hate Hades and zag bow
fair cairn
zag bow is flavorless, Hades is cluncky AF on higher heat
opal lodge
zag bow is the most boring thing in the game for me
fair cairn
there is nothing that makes zag bow interesting
playstyle or build
you spam attack and that's it
turbid needle
I kinda like its simplicity
fair cairn
simple and uneffective
turbid needle
rama thwomps make me happy
fair cairn
at least zag sword has the melee rail or fist with more range feel where you can build fast attack or status effect around the speed
zag bow has... nothing
turbid needle
got da fresh 15% crit chance
fair cairn
and without faster attack speed or dual shot it's painfully uneffective
opal lodge
zag bow is so boring
it turns my favorite game into a point and click simulator
i hate it
turbid needle
I have not used it in a hot minute so maybe my memory is foggy
I haven't played hades since the 17th im surprised ive made it this far without getting the shakes or something
fair cairn
5 tries confirms I hate crush shot with beowulf
asphodel is particularly awful
back to trippy
cunning urchin
opal lodge
that is interesting
usually it falls off in ely and styx
but aphro is usually fine in asphodel
fair cairn
I have terrible RNG with a lot of jumping dudes
and some BP1 with teleportation
so like 75% of the shot miss
lost a DD to Lernie and have only 1 min left on the clock after the kill
opal lodge
yeah it happens
beo in general can have trouble with the jumping dudes
if you dont like aphro you should at least give poseidon a shot
the aoe is gigantic
fair cairn
yeah I had clears with him on beowulf and hera before
yeah not feeling beowulf today for whatever reason
dry ember
how is hestia aspect S?
Range, self-sufficient damage, easy to build. It's like Bow and Arthur have a baby.
And that baby is genetically gifted.
mighty swan
does it give anything but bonus dmg on reload?
i feel eris is just tons better
solid 75% dmg virtually all the time
dry ember
Eris is also top tier yeah
mighty swan
mfw i only use zag rails xD
cunning urchin
Well, Eris is also top tier. Eris wants boons, though. Hestia can go boonless.
mighty swan
hands down most fun is lucifer with super soaker
dry ember
does it give anything but bonus dmg on reload?
150 damage per shot is a lot, second highest in game
mighty swan
u get the feeling ur pool party graves :D
dry ember
That means stuff like Hunter Dash, Deadly Strike, Chaos boons, etc. scale well
mighty swan
isnt it per first shot?
mighty swan
xd
dry ember
it's bolt action rifle
mighty swan
maybe with doom
dry ember
maybe with doom
Doom Hunter Dash Hestia works as a tech against certain heat options, so sure.
dry ember
Bind reload to LB like a normal person :D
dry ember
Bruh
fair cairn
Why wouldn't you rebind reload lol
cunning urchin
You can cast or special anytime you reload with Exagryph, and throw another cast before you can attack again. So that's a lot of damage with Hestia because those reloads are not downtime.
cunning urchin
1 Special + 3 Casts or 4 Casts per 2 Attacks of Hestia.
dry ember
where did "hestia is S" come from, is there some ranking
It just floats around tbh
cunning urchin
It's fun until you get bored of click boom click boom click boom.
gusty rapids
good thing i never get bored of it
echo radish
whats the spear next to gilga in that pic
opal lodge
zag
echo radish
makes sense
vague dove
Eris bow with poseidon throw and artemis legendary or chaos to get more throw, then if possible poseidon legendary and artemis duo its op as hell, poseidon buff like The one to do more damage when enemis hit an obstacle and Its even more op
woven wagon
What is a good Achilles Spear cast build?
warped hound
What is a good Achilles Spear cast build?
Achilles spear cast build
Good
pick one
You can do the missile cruiser meme build, but don't expect it to be a fast clear
(Basically stack as many Dio/Don casts as possible with Stygian Soul)
coarse moss
Achilles with zeus cast and artemis attack. zeus cast you just cast a few times and whole room is dead. during boss when all your stones are lodged, that 150% boost with arty attack is no joke either
echo radish
i thought achilles was best spear for cast builds since you can put the buff on demeter and ares casts too
sonic juniper
It's the only spear with cast buffs
half anvil
Any good achilles spear builds?
blazing sluice
Any good achilles spear builds?
@half anvil aside from the cast builds mentioned above you can go dash strikes with the hammer that gives triple hit on dash strike. Put Artemis on the attack and buff it a lot.
half anvil
oh. thanks!
half anvil
Uhm, how does one do the achilles electric shot thing? Like how does it play out and what you should do?
coarse moss
is shield with aspect of chaos good ?
i dont like that one, the zeus aspect though, is amazing even at level 1 if you get zeus special boon
spark nest
whats zeus aspect again
coarse moss
Uhm, how does one do the achilles electric shot thing? Like how does it play out...
achilles spear : Post-Rush Bonus Damage
(+50% / +75% / +100% / +125% / +150%)
for next 4 Attacks / Casts.
so you do the raging rush, and you get huge damage for next 4 cast
coarse moss
whats zeus aspect again
aspect of zeus for shield
coarse moss
you throw your shield and it will apply thunder really fast with zeus special
echo radish
tbf i think all shields are insane
half anvil
thanks!
echo radish
being able to block all damage in game is kinda good, who'd have thought
spark nest
also do yall have a build for shield ?
echo radish
depends on which shield
spark nest
i cant get pass ||hades||
echo radish
i think they all play differently
half anvil
so for the cast, we use the aspect of Zeus right? and for the mirror, which one should I use? The increased cast number or regenerate?
echo radish
oh hades with shield, thing is you gotta learn to bullrush
you can block every single attack of his with the shield
so like literally just tpose and wait for him to finish attacking then release bullrush
also for cast builds there's beowulf
cloud vault
And while he's wailing on you, the spinning disc murders him
echo radish
yes
spark nest
Or goes ars
echo radish
it stays
cloud vault
It moves a little bit then stays until recalled or 8 seconds pass
echo radish
after a while it comes back to you but its so slow that you outrun it and keep it floating forever
spark nest
I see
coarse moss
so for the cast, we use the aspect of Zeus right? and for the mirror, which one ...
zeus cast is easy to hit and can clear rooms easy. get the zeus boon "static discharge" to add Jolted status.
use the +2 cast because enemies supposed to die instantly when you spam it, letting you pick up bloodstone asap
cloud vault
Thunder special and Jolted then sit there and block, Hades will melt.
echo radish
Same on chaos, dio special and hit it between his attacks to keep stacks at 5, block and watch him die
half anvil
Other than Zeus, what other gods are good to pick and why?
echo radish
On what?
coarse moss
Other than Zeus, what other gods are good to pick and why?
on Achilles aspect? you can do Hunting blades(ares artemis duo) or demeter beam, maybe Dio cast but thats annoying to land
half anvil
oh I mean, in combination with Zeus?
coarse moss
get arty on attack. the duo with zeus is nice, and when all your stone lodged in boss your attack is still strong
echo radish
At lv1 Zeus aspect, Zeus and dio seem like the only good ones
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite for Smoldering Air.
half anvil
thank you! that will help me clear my run with the spear finally!
echo radish
Once you upgrade he shield though anything works
Oh rip you were asking about spear not Zeus aspect
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash is always good.
mighty swan
unless u playing fists D:
echo radish
I like tidal dash on fists tbh
mighty swan
i always dislike posidon stuff, until i tried super soaker build with hidden rail
gg most fun build everr
echo radish
You can get an attack in before they're knocked back
cunning urchin
The question was for Achilles Aspect lol.
mighty swan
the spear is terrible
pleh
actually there is fun build, triple jap + long jap :D
and suddenly u have insta firing bow :D
coarse moss
1.5 sec
trail path
;-;
slim lynx
gods' pride or gods' legacy?
coarse moss
if you like/need duo, then legacy. if you dont care about duo, pride
blazing sluice
i always dislike posidon stuff, until i tried super soaker build with hidden rail
@mighty swan what's a supersoaker? I see it round these parts a lot. I'm sure it has poseidon cause it sounds like water but what else?
mighty swan
super soaker is basically a meme build which is super op
u use posidon attack on hidden rail
and stack as many zeus stuff
u must get sea storm also
if u google it , u will find it on youtube
sonic juniper
Super OP? Really?
blazing sluice
Haven't put bloods on lucy yet but won't that just push enemies away from you till it's too far away to hit especially since lucy has a high fire rate? It sounds annoying unless you're really just going for the memes.
mighty swan
u dont need bloods
lv 1 fine
ur main dmg dealing isnt the lazor
check the build and u will find out
coarse moss
lucifer is meant to keep dashign while shooting, so chasing enemy isnt a problem
mighty swan
lucifer without infinite battery is terrible if u ask me
i doubt there is good builds on it beside super soaker
echo radish
Just did meme beam with Achilles, guess I know what I'll be forcing next time the spear gets thirst
vagrant dagger
Do all cast instances hit simultaneously with Hera?
E.g. if cast applies Privileged, will the remaining instances of cast loaded onto the same attack deal the extra damage?
cloud vault
Easy to test the instance thing, equip Hera and shoot Skelly.
Watch the damage numbers
dusky relic
When you're up against Asterius in the mini boss fight in Elysium, he still visually takes damage over time after he concedes
Is it possible to build up enough damage over time to get his health to 0 in the cutscene after he concedes?
stone harbor
He still has what, 2000 hp?
Maybe if you get a really insane doom stack but realistically no
little quiver
Hey can someone recommend a fun spear built for me? Im always struggling with the weapon unless i get the aoe special hammer
Got a few blood saved up but not too many since i only made it to heat 2 so far
tame bison
Privileged Status: aphro attack, doom special, get duo.
Poseidon special, rupture, breaking wave/typhoon, Poseidon legend
Get hammers that upgrade special
Artemis special+charged skewer also a thing
sonic mural
step 1) don't use zag spear
step 2) archilles + zeus cast + serrated edge/flurry jab + artemis attack
little quiver
Thanks ill try those
woven wagon
Any builds for Poseidon sowrd
turbid needle
exit wounds
woven wagon
Any particular cast
tame bison
Ones that lodge
gloomy zenith
what boons are good with guan yu
gloomy zenith
i like poseidon cast for poseidon sword
woven wagon
i didnt find it good enough for Hydra
gloomy zenith
zeus can be good but if you're going with exit wounds poseidon sword it can be awkward since the casts can not go into the target you want
woven wagon
But maybe its just me not having enough experience for the EM version
gloomy zenith
if you're not used to em hydra, use the weapons you're best with against it first
brazen lily
any fun builds/ideas for the bow?
gloomy zenith
which aspect?
brazen lily
any of them
turbid needle
1st and 4th Aspects love Artemis Attack, 2nd is a Special build, 3rd is Casts, ideally lodging Casts.
gloomy zenith
chiron with dio on special and ares or aphro on attack for the duo is good
so is chiron with aphro on attack and artemis on special for heartrend crits
wheat loom
gloomy zenith
anything hera is fun, i like hunting blades
chiron bow is probably my fave weapon in the game
brazen lily
i dont think ive ever done a decent run with the 3rd aspect, will artemis cast be good or is there any better ones?
gloomy zenith
artemis cast is eh for hera
brazen lily
hmm
brazen lily
ill give that a shot, thanks!
main osprey
(you'll probably want to ask in #h1-for-new-players , yes there are a ton of channels)
This channel is spoiler-allowed
dapper tapir
Ok, noted
drowsy stirrup
guys, any tips on grinding pierced butterfly ?
do you take rail/ bow and play super safe to rank it up ?
coarse moss
you just need to wear it right? getting the bonus isnt needed
drifting vale
Practicing dodging with ruthless reflex so you only have one dodge
drowsy stirrup
h0, pierced butterfly and what wep?
drifting vale
It doesn't really matter it's how you play that will have a greater impact
gloomy zenith
something ranged and non committal
you’re more likely to get hit using an up close weapon usually
true sphinx
Try Lambent Plume + Zag Gloves for Max Dodge hahah
drowsy stirrup
finally after a billion runs.. i have all hidden aspects..
true sphinx
True
gloomy zenith
also i think they mean tips for getting the achievement, right?
drifting vale
Basically @drowsy stirrup use whatever weapon you like youll get better over time
drowsy stirrup
ehh.. i am currently on the switch version i really should buy the steam version
true sphinx
No hit achievement?
drowsy stirrup
i just more of want to have some fun with the pierced butterfly
gloomy zenith
oh i see
true sphinx
Pierced seems to more frustrating than fun imo
gloomy zenith
on steam there’s an achievement for getting 30% damage on pierced butterfly, i thought you were referring to that
drowsy stirrup
yeah, i am still maxing my mirror and keepsakes
yeah i know, I do want to go for that achievement for sure
gloomy zenith
i’ve been trying to get that achievement only like one run and i’m already frustrated
drifting vale
Sword has a knockback that's really good
Achilles spear has a dash
Shield is a shield
Talos Fists has a pull to select what enemy you want
All the melees have ways to not get hit
drowsy stirrup
well the thing is.. it is easiest to get that achieve with a maxed pierced right
gloomy zenith
yeah, so you could just carry it throughout a run and not worry about not getting hit
also lmao talos is good for not getting hit? in my experience it’s just more risky
drifting vale
No i know
drowsy stirrup
yeah personally, i think I will try it next time my bow gets dark thirst
rustic spade
It's because the hitstun on that thing, with the multi-hit hammer upgrade
drowsy stirrup
with Chiron bow should be easy
rustic spade
Makes it really easy to clear rooms from afar
drifting vale
Alright best of luck
gloomy zenith
i’ve only tried once for the pierced butterfly achievement and on lucifer rail, i’ll probably be able to do it with chiron
also hoping for a specific hammer is pretty inconsistent
drifting vale
Chiron is pretty fun especially if you can get both volleys
drowsy stirrup
im doing a run to max out keepsakes, and I just got a tiny room with chaos inferno bomb mobs from Thanatos.. I took many damages
drifting vale
Unfornate it happens though
gloomy zenith
you mean all three volleys?
drowsy stirrup
it was the darkness up for inferno bombs.. I am taking darkness up always
gloomy zenith
i’m assuming you meant 2 specials on an enemy marked with the attack
you can get 3 off
drifting vale
Relentless and consecutive
drifting vale
You can only get 2 hammer upgrades in a run (not counting styx shop)
gloomy zenith
i thought you meant something else
only problem with chiron is that it’s doo doo if it’s not maxed
drowsy stirrup
yeah i have chiron maxed
rustic spade
Folks I'm going to go for a pierced butterfly run with stygius right now
I'll let you know how well it goes
drifting vale
Best of luck
opal lodge
sounds painful
coarse moss
imo chiron leans more to single target damage and not room clearing. if you use something like zeus-cast achilles and 1shot everything before they even move, much easier to avoid being hit
gloomy zenith
if you’re not on level 4 or 5 with chiron you’d probably just be better off spamming power shots
drifting vale
I disagree
true sphinx
Just use the rail with rocket launcher and cluster
opal lodge
chirons attack is a pretty significant part of its damage
especially if you dont have it fully upgraded
true sphinx
That thing slapped so hard I was amazed
opal lodge
the special is important but usually doesnt get online until you get boons/hammers
gloomy zenith
my point is if you only have like 5 arrows with level 2 chiron, you’re better off just using zag to point blank enemies with the standard 9 arrow special
drowsy stirrup
yeah i will have to agree. un maxed chiron bow is just painful
gloomy zenith
yeah
drowsy stirrup
my next max will probably be Hera bow
drifting vale
Even that is inconsistent and against the reason a lot of people use the bow (distance)
drowsy stirrup
that seems so much fun
drifting vale
Hera big damage
gloomy zenith
it’s just not efficient to use chiron at low levels. you’ll be dealing half as much as a zag special
opal lodge
you can still force it to work with relentless but youd be better off using a different bow lol
gloomy zenith
it’s ultimately up to how you like to play though
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/794260211241451571/unknown.png I got top 5 in unseeded any heat speedrun category for real time
gloomy zenith
nice
stone harbor
yeah i will have to agree. un maxed chiron bow is just painful
If you go something like curse of nausea eith unmaxed chiron it is fine, but low tolerance is slightly more damage anyway and you really want a lot of arrows for that. Anything other than dio wants arrows even more
opal lodge
congrats cin
gloomy zenith
post it in #h1-victory-boasting @solid cairn
drifting vale
The only aspect thats painful I'd say is guan yu
drowsy stirrup
i think what i'll do is play the game normally on my switch until i get it maxed and ready for speedrunning, and then get the steam version and start speedrunning
drifting vale
Unranked i mean
gloomy zenith
i forgot they added save transfers
opal lodge
theres also just a maxed out save on src
rustic spade
What's the minimum % for the achievement?
drowsy stirrup
yeah i know about the maxed saves, but honeslty.. I still have parts of the story to do, so i would prefer that on my own save
opal lodge
so minimum 9 chambers cleared without damage before styx
although youd probably want to just no hit all 15 before styx
because no hitting styx chambers sounds tough
drowsy stirrup
how does doom work with dem fists
opal lodge
and no hitting dad also sounds tough
drowsy stirrup
is it just bad? it only applies ones?
opal lodge
you want to go around and hit everything once
then once you get ME youre rolling
theres almost no point to running doom attack if you arent going for merciful end
gloomy zenith
^yes
drowsy stirrup
i mean special though
gloomy zenith
for speedrun or just for fun?
opal lodge
only applies once
i guess if you do the giga cutter its more times with djre
but most things should die to the giga cutter
even without doom
gloomy zenith
with dire misfortune it could be okay i guess. demeter special is best with big damage multipliers like aphro tho
opal lodge
arty is the classic
drowsy stirrup
ah yeah.. i messed that up
ah well.. this is h0
so how does the dem fist special work ?
it applies 5 additional specials ?
drowsy stirrup
0 heat
gloomy zenith
ah
it adds extra hits to your special every 12 attacks you land
you’ll get a message saying “cutter charged”
drowsy stirrup
sorry, i heard the hX where X is the heat used in the speedrunning discord. My bad
main osprey
it's not a term used here, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong ^.^
it's certainly faster to say, which fits for speedrunners :P
rustic spade
Just got out of tartarus with 16% on butterfly, started a bit ago
opal lodge
nice
rustic spade
26%, just got to elysium
main osprey
nice!
rustic spade
30% done
Not even all the way through elysium
It's not difficult, even with a heavy melee build on Stygius
Just kiting, just spamming cast, and going hard
my strat for getting good is to just put hard labor on max
it's far worse to get hit
so you try to get hit less
just don't get hit 4head
nocturne pivot
Truuuuu
true sphinx
Did you lose the run?
rare kindle
You still got the achievement 🙂
rustic spade
Oh, I've had the achievement lmfao
I was doing it to show that it's not difficult to do it first try, even without using Varatha
stone harbor
turn out that getting the 30% butterfly damage achievment with a lvl2 butterfly while drunk is hard lol
why do you have to get a full tunnel in styx to get the bonus btw? that's such bs
like getting it+ in tartarus is harder than a room in styx
rustic spade
it's because each room isn't called an encounter
stone harbor
that doesn't make it not nonsense lol
keen mesa
Not true all the time though Hellsinki
main osprey
I thought it was just the final room that counted?
keen mesa
for Pom Blossom, every chamber in the tunnel IS an encounter
Pom Blossom says "every 4 encounters" and every chamber counts towards it
However, for things like Plume, only the final room counts
main osprey
the in-between rooms shouldn't affect it at all, same for butterfly, right?
turbid needle
Nah, Blossom levels super fast.
keen mesa
Blossom if you clear every tunnel will gain you 8 levels across random boons
that's crazy
turbid needle
I know that Plume and Butterfly are specifically balanced so that Styx doesn't autobreak the game.
keen mesa
that's 8 free poms
turbid needle
Random Poms.
keen mesa
because of diminishing returns on upgrades, by that time, you kind of want it to be random poms
if it was always the same boon getting upgraded, each level would be less and less effective
stone harbor
more numbers>less numbers
turbid needle
If for whatever reason you've skipped Poms through the run I can see it helping.
stone harbor
case closed
opal lodge
ok
turbid needle
Especially if you've got low-leveled Casts/Doom/Hangover/Lightning.
opal lodge
you could also take a keepsake that actually does things, like sigil or hourglass
turbid needle
That being said one of the defensive keepsakes is almost always better.
opal lodge
but i guess if youre just going for clears its not bad?
keen mesa
I almost always run pom blossom, but if not, usually sigil of the dead if I don't have a good call already
turbid needle
Sigil on Artemis/Zeus runs. 
opal lodge
pom blossom is just one of those things i see consistently overrated here and nowhere else and you have to wonder why
keen mesa
I use it and I'm clearing heat levels 10-19 depending on the weapon
working my way up
perhaps when I get into the 20s and 30s, I'll drop it if it's not effective for me
drowsy stirrup
quick question.. what level does hera need to be to actually be useful?
10s bloodstone drop time seems pooor
and how does this interact with Stygian soul? does the 10s matter?
coarse moss
stygian soul is pretty much unaffected. also if you use dio cast the drop time dont matter
i just dont see the appeal of hera. beowulf does the same thing but drops bloodstone ASAP and do more damage
ionic wigeon
howdy. done about 40 escape attempts reaching chamber 35 but i got frustrated failing on meg over and over again. watched some youtube tactics but still, the sisters beat me or hurt me so bad i dont progress much further. kindly asking for suggestions on builds and stuff
keen mesa
what weapons are you using?
drowsy stirrup
@ionic wigeon what do you mean ? meg is way eariler than chamber 35 no?
coarse moss
howdy. done about 40 escape attempts reaching chamber 35 but i got frustrated fa...
try shield. you can take your time and block everything, every boss. maybe put doom on your special. it's very safe to apply doom from afar
ionic wigeon
try shield. you can take your time and block everything, every boss. maybe put d...
thanks.. doom comes from aphrodite?
static ibex
A lot of it is taking time up to upgrade your mirror too
coarse moss
thanks.. doom comes from aphrodite?
from ares
ionic wigeon
ah i got her .. keepsake?
static ibex
Upgrade all your death defiances and starting health
Prioritize darkness choices, etc
ionic wigeon
i just discovered that the mirror has a choice for each item if its "family" or else 🤦
ionic wigeon
Upgrade all your death defiances and starting health
got the tooth keepsake from the trainer too
but even with three "continues" i use most of them up for megs 😦
i think my pattern recognition is too slow or sth 🙂
static ibex
Staying too close? Dash in, get a few hits, then dash retreat
coarse moss
just hold your shield up and watch her run around. you'll see her pattern
static ibex
You don't want to park in front of her or else she'll beat you up badly
coarse moss
once you sit still and just watch, you see this boss really takes her time to start attacking 😄
opal lodge
she gains 1 move per charge
sonic mural
maybe do a run without attacking at all
Just to learn patterns
Theres only 4 attacks i think
ionic wigeon
ah i didnt use the double dash recently
ok so shield, ares boons, double dash.
think i'm also impatient playing too aggressive and the game might teach me better.
sonic mural
you should be able to play aggressively with a decent build thh
turbid needle
Give nectar!
ionic wigeon
ah to her of course.. sorry
turbid needle
I just did a whole revenge damage build and absolutely annihilated mr final boss by just letting him hit me aha
half anvil
Also, you folks have any recommended bow builds?
coarse moss
try to get every god's keepsake. controlling your boon options is massive
pseudo stream
wow I was so wrong about Hera, if you get decent stuff it's crazy fast - that was my easiest 32 heat left. 5 casts, exit wounds, artemis/aphrodite cast, athena legendary...
ionic wigeon
I just did a whole revenge damage build and absolutely annihilated mr final boss...
how does that work?
turbid needle
I got revenge damage from zeus, ares and demeter, plus jolted for zeus. Got that daedalus upgrade on varatha that charging up your spin attack makes you pulse 40 damage and just held that whilst mr final boss just took tons of damage from my revenge damage boons
ionic wigeon
thanks for the help, will give it another run.
cloud vault
The pulse is fun if you pick up tempest attack . Fun, not super good or anything.
Does annihilate those small Styx rooms tho lol
dusky relic
has 63 heat / 64 heat ever been completed before?
dusky relic
lol which ones are left out
nvm I can just check with the 60 heat vid
ah it's routine inspection. That makes sense
dry ember
The last tier of Routine Inspection is a major roadblock
dusky relic
Could imagine with losing defiances
and also greater reflex
I'm surprised that greater reflex is used over ruthless reflex, but I guess some things just can't be outran by ruthless
unless you get something nice from hermes
dry ember
Just dashes are very important.
turbid needle
Wait for Hades to attack first.
He hits way harder than almost anything else in the game and until you've learned all of his tells eating a spin after being afflicted with Boiling Blood can eat a life outright.
Can't defeat the last boss anymore, he always gets me on the second phase. I only defeated him once and now I'm stuck at heat 1
could you share any advice?
heading right now with a dodge build + zagreus sword aspect
keen mesa
try zeus or dio with zag sword
static ibex
Lol cold fusion shreds bosses
pseudo stream
what are fun and useful Talos gods? I just did ME too many times to want to do it again haha
neat edge
Is it normal to get Aphrodite's attack boon almost every game? I feel like the weakening is the best ability especially with her other boons that make it more potent damage-wise. Should I be doing something different?
proven osprey
You could try things
But Aphrodite is amazing indeed
Weak, best damage, awesome call, great duos
proven osprey
tame bison
She has the highest base %dmg on her skills and they also proc 30% dmg reduction. It’s....absurdly good
Not really sure why they put both highest dmg output and a huge damage debuff on the same God
Literally no sacrifice involved in picking her
No downside
And frankly, makes no sense from a balance perspective. Shrug
Lol would’ve beat last boss with Guan Yu zero DD left except Meg missed...lost with 1 hit remaining to win
coarse moss
maybe best to call meg when theres minions running around. bang for your buck
tame bison
I just used her right as he dashed sadly. Used his spear thrust move
echo radish
the thing about weak is there is no additive bonus to inflicting it multiple times
other than fixation ofc
keen mesa
So?
echo radish
Not really sure why they put both highest dmg output and a huge damage debuff on...
.
so its awkward to have aphro when you're on twin fist attack or something like that
proven osprey
Not really sure why they put both highest dmg output and a huge damage debuff on...
Not really. She can get outdamaged by other gods with the right combos. Also, weak effect is only effective if you get hit right, it's not a curse that would help not getting hit like chill. It's fair really
echo radish
like im not gonna pretend aphro isnt lowkey the best god out there that i want to see practically in every run but also she doesnt feel broken per se
proven osprey
For pure damage Artemis with T2 boons is better
echo radish
just have both Pog
echo radish
depends on weapon id go for dio attack on fast weapons
aphro arty and dio are the crit fishing trio
echo radish
dio and aphro duo synergizes with arty and dio duo
keen mesa
this is only level 4 and only epic and already 226% damage...
granted special damage % is always higher than attack
echo radish
whenever i play dem fists i force aphro dio and arty
aphro on dash is good
yea the one that applies weak, since weak goes on for like 8-10 sec if you get empty inside, and you just wanna apply weak once to activate heart rend and low tolerance
oh yea poseidon is really good, if i get offered poseidon i go for aphro cast and pos dash
since his duo with dio is just chef's kiss
im not a fan of demeter dash
its awkward
maybe its because kbm
Sure I was commenting on the direction though
Since I dash sideways and diagonally a lot
half anvil
Any good bow builds that you guys can recommend for easy clearing?
dry ember
Do you have Hera Bow?
glossy fossil
what pairs well with aspect of rama?
dry ember
Hunter Dash Deadly Strike
Triple/Twin Shot + Perfect/Point Blank Shot
Literally whatever can go on your special
half anvil
I do have Hera, haven't unlocked Rama yet
dry ember
Try Hera + Trippy Shot (Dionysus cast) + Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast + Cold Fusion
You don't need all of the above Duos
But they are nice to find.
nova shale
How does curse of longing interact with merciful end?
void niche
Do the effects of the lambient plume like when you gain more dodge chance, stick when you take it off
unkempt pagoda
nope, the plume has to stay on to get those benefits
rare yacht
Is there any reason to not take deadly reflexes
wet belfry
ruthless reflex?
wet belfry
If you can reliably not get hit with one dodge then no reason not to
wet belfry
unless you want to do something like meme with gilgamesh fists and poseidon dash
rare yacht
Dashing into projectiles w.o it is guaranteed to hit you right
wet belfry
But if you have enemy attack patterns down well enough that you reliably don't get hit then you're fine
I don't use Ruthless so not sure if dashing into projectiles with it works, but yeah, if you don't have reflection and you dash into a projectile you get hit with the double dash
proven osprey
I mean absolutely no offense but I don't think anyone can do that lol
wet belfry
Yeah, it's more of an ideal situation than anything else
proven osprey
Like
wet belfry
I certainly don't do well with only one dash
proven osprey
Not getting hit with only one dash
is ofc harder because your dash is either offensive or defensive
with two dashes you can kill and stay safe
rare yacht
I play with the pierced butterfly a lot fwiw
opal lodge
not having an extra dash to escape after dash striking is huge
that is the reason why 2 dashes is good
not just because you can spam dashes to be safe
proven osprey
How fun is repeating what I'm sayin dear Bright
opal lodge
honestly pretty nice
but i think thats a common misconception
that like 2 dashes is good because you just dash spam
dashes = offense
proven osprey
yeah
vital bay
was Demeter
proven osprey
but let's be real against EM4 you're happy to have 2 dashes lmao
opal lodge
increases speed of casting
proven osprey
Have you cleared the game yet?
vital bay
Demeter cast is either bugged in my run or something then
proven osprey
Oh I see
vital bay
nvm
I am troll
I have rending claws
no it still does more damage than usual to non maimed
rare yacht
is the purple or green backstab talent better than the other
wet belfry
If you can get an alpha strike large enough to kill enemies in one hit (hestia rail is what comes to mind for me) green is better because of the initial hit bonus. Backstab damage can be more consistent and affect damage more than once--but you have to actually land the backstabs. I keep it on purple, generally
rare yacht
good points
im ashamed to say that brimstones and louts are like, priority targets #1 for me as theyre one of the most dangerous enemies if youre trying to nohit a room for than's keepsake
opal lodge
purple is generally better unless you have something that high rolls first strike damage OR if your aspect can one shot enemies with the green talent
rare yacht
at least in tartarus
opal lodge
most shield have damage breakpoints around there for tartarus enemies
rare yacht
i also JUST encountered wringers recently on my latest save
topaz vault
Is it possible with a shield to hug a corner and not get hit by most bosses?
rare yacht
as long as said attack isnt an aoe circle i think youll be fine?
topaz vault
If they can't get behind you though?
rare yacht
yeah i think
opal lodge
well
you have to react to his spin directions
otherwise he can spin his way around your shield
drowsy urchin
Uhh is it intended for Hades to be able to use two beam attacks in quick succession?
I've already submitted an 
because of the beam animation during immunity hmmm
has this happened to anyone else? https://youtu.be/M9HKTw_JcZE
dry ember
yeah it happens often. but to me it's not huge deal, just look a bit wacky
glossy gyro
anyone know how long it takes for exagryph to reload? like how many seconds it takes
echo radish
How does curse of longing interact with merciful end?
It doesn't interact, they're anti synergy
cunning urchin
anyone know how long it takes for exagryph to reload? like how many seconds it t...
You have enough time to do Reload + Special (press both at the same time) > Cast or Reload + Cast > Cast before you can Attack again.
echo radish
I don't see any change in the damage I'm doing with boiling blood for some reason
The weapon was hestia rail btw
chilly sapphire
Is smoldering air good? I used it with Athena’s call and it was great, but what about it with the Dionysus call?
gusty rapids
smoldering air is great with most calls imo
unkempt pagoda
SA is one of the best duos lol
gusty rapids
works p well with Dionysus call
unkempt pagoda
especially with dio's call, since you don't get much return out of a full dio call anyways
gusty rapids
^
the calls it won’t work well with are like
Artemis and aphro
since you really want a full call with both
unkempt pagoda
imo aphro's one of the best
gusty rapids
idk I think the 2500 damage u get from the full call is just too much to toss away
unkempt pagoda
no damage, sure, but a guaranteed stun every five seconds is pretty amazing
half anvil
any good fist builds that can easily run things over?
frail cave
Trying out lucifer w/ Artemis special and dio cast. Tons of fun launching two bombs at once. Heroic battle rage scored early on plus hunters mark too
chilly sapphire
||The worst part of this game is when em4 hades summons 3 doomstones in a row||
teal talon
i have a fun build, is this where i would describe it?
kindred trout
Sure
teal talon
so i have stygian soul, auto reload, fully loaded, heroic trippy shot, scintillating feast, and high tolerance
opal lodge
idk I think the 2500 damage u get from the full call is just too much to toss aw...
aphro with smoldering will singlehandedly win you T&A EM3
hell aphro alone will do that
proper glade
Wow ||fighting Hades with the gauntlets is HARD.||
dry ember
just dont get hit bro
proven osprey
||spoilers are allowed here don't worry||
proper glade
just dont get hit bro
This has Hypnos vibes.
sullen valley
Specific question: For the final boss, Dio Dash (Damage buildup) or Pos Dash (Instant damage)?
No upgrades to either
tame bison
If that’s going to make or break your ability to win that fight, you are doing it wrong
rare kindle
But athena and poseidon dash are so good
I've won a few times with other dashes, but I've won the most with athena dash
sullen valley
If that’s going to make or break your ability to win that fight, you are doing i...
Pft, it's not, dw.
So Poseidon Dash ig?
rare kindle
Depends, do you have privileged status already?
Poseidon dash does a lot of damage, but you need another boon for a status effect
While Dio is a status effect
sullen valley
I'm pretty sure I got like, 3 Poseidon Boons this entire run
The dash is the only boon that can deal damage, lmao
rare kindle
Those questions also don't matter if you're running family favorite
sullen valley
Hm...I mean I can trigger Priv Stat with my Doom Special and Jolted Attack/Cast.
I guess I'll just keep the Pos dash then?
tame bison
Like if you have zero other boons related to either God, it literally doesn’t matter
If you have Rupture for example, it’s clearly Poseidon dash
If you have Privileged status, it’s clearly DIO
sullen valley
Tru
Plus Boon swaps upgrade the rarity so Epic Dash should be p good
tame bison
From the perspective of “would I rather have 50 damage on Poseidon dash or 45 damage from Dio (made up numbers)” I think the choice is irrelevant
Yeah all else being equal, Epic > Rare I would assume
sullen valley
Mhm. Hrmph.
tame bison
Dysphere made good point about family favorite. If it’s a new god then it’s a nice 5% buff
sullen valley
Yeeaaaaaahhhhso Dio Boon then?
nova shale
I feel like cold embrace should be buffed, right now it's kinda bad
Either make the beam continue past your position, or have it summon the beam at the cursor location so you set it up easier
rare kindle
Yeah, idk how you're supposed to get cold embrace to work
Artemis-Demeter duo is way superior
Maybe have the beams be piercing so it can go past obstacles?
sullen valley
I feel like Cold Embrace should auto-lock onto the last enemy who you have damaged or who has damaged you
Maybe less beam damage (at LEAST 50%)
nova shale
It also triggers blocks on the shield for some reason?
nova shale
Maybe it could make the cast summon a small crystal that circles around you and auto-attacks the nearest enemy in short range
trail path
is ||aspect of chiron still good||
tranquil violet
Agreed. Cold Embrace is easily the worst Duo.
I can basically never find a case where I want it.
cunning urchin
Chiron is very good.
trail path
ok just making sure unless it was nerfed
cunning urchin
There was a nerf that dropped it from top tier to just below top tier.
echo radish
aphrodite attack, artemis special
I thought chaos special base damage wasn't that good
nova shale
I ran demeter special with aspect of chaos recently
Really good if you get frost decay because the shield shotgun can easily coat all the enemies, and it's still a decent point-blank blast
opal lodge
I thought chaos special base damage wasn't that good
if you shotgun, a % special does some really good damage
though i usually prefer zeus
in my experience im usually happy with almost any special though
or theres ways to scale your damage with almost any special
i think you can be a bit lazier/safer with zeus/ares/dio
cinder wave
So, I thought that Beowulf with Heart Rend via Aphrodite attack, Artemis cast would be good. I was wrong.
turbid needle
Yeah, 10% isn't a huge crit chance.
cinder wave
I was surprised by how awful it was.
I guess the selling point of Artemis cast is mainly the seeking.
topaz vault
Wow I just took down Hades without taking a single hit. Cheesed it 100%. Chaos shield and the duo boon that turns your cast jewels into mobile lightening rods which blast anything around it for as long as they are out. I just shot them out and then bull rushed near them and blocked and Hades beat away at my shield without doing any damage while getting fried. So easy.
echo radish
Rip dades
cinder wave
You can do something similar with Aspect of Zeus and good positioning.
rare kindle
Of course the one time I defeat Charon in tartarus it's with arthur
I used the damage reduction/projection slow aura to help me
rare kindle
I've beat him before, but in elysium, when my build was better defined
sonic mural
you fight charon by stealing his money
dry ember
How to fight the secret boss ||(Charon): In every middle shop of an biome, there is a chance a sack of money can spawn next to him. Interact with it, that's it. The sack is not guaranteed and can only be found in the shop in the middle of each biome.||
trail path
k
i keep forgetting theres a filter
anyways
yeah ive seen that
what're the rewards? @dry ember
dry ember
what're the rewards? <@!162305901892599809>
You get a ||discount card, everything in the shop is 20% (I think) cheaper, available for current run only||
trail path
oof
gusty rapids
reward is clout
nova shale
Secret boss is harder than the final boss, even discounting the fact that you fight them in the middle of the game and not the end of the game
I can semi-consistently beat the final boss without using a DD, but the secret boss easily takes all my DDs every time
balmy portal
secret boss just doesn't have very good tells
rare kindle
I get that you dodge his ranged attack by using his pillars but I don’t know how you dodge them once he gets rid of the pillars
rare kindle
The purple balls
opal lodge
yeah just empty dash those ones
forget about dash striking when he summons the balls TM
sonic mural
what do i run with gilgamesh fists?
also is aspect of hades just a downgrade to archilles
tulip blaze
Hades is...different from Achilles
you actually use the spin, but only to apply the debuff, Serrated Point is real good
you also don't have nearly as much mobility as Achilles by nature of the normal special
sonic mural
so you still run artemis attack w/ it?
gusty rapids
yeah arty attack is good w hades spear
opal lodge
arty attack hunter dash is siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
tame bison
Somehow running Rama Heat 20 with +75% cast damage, Demeter cast, glacial glare, arctic blast, Demeter special... bc I’ve been offered nothing else lol
sonic mural
does it still have the same flurry jab/serrated point buildpath as archilles?
fallen mirage
Never really use special with Hades Spear. If you want HR, you'll probably want Aphro Dash instead
I think it's better to just do Hunter's Dash instead though
pseudo stream
how does chaos defiance work with stubborn defiance?
sonic mural
im pretty sure it wont be offered
sonic mural
I think it's better to just do Hunter's Dash instead though
thx
pseudo stream
I have it being offered now haha
and I can't tell if I should take it or not
seems probably bad?
pseudo stream
says an extra death defiance D:
sonic mural
take it see what happens
fallen mirage
Chaos Defiance is an extra slot not a refil
It will probably be added as the "innermost" DD
opal lodge
special can be good IF you get explosive launcher
fallen mirage
So you'll burn SD before your Chaos DD
gusty rapids
chaos is an extra defiance similar to how Athena gives extra defiances, except you don’t need to lose one for chaos’s to work
afaik it’s always been the innermost defiance, aka the one used last
I’ve gotten it a few times with stubborn
very useful
sonic mural
so its kinda like tooth then
gusty rapids
yeah it’s similar
pseudo stream
ugh that would be amazing, then, whoops!
innermost makes it amazing, I got +71% attack instead 😢
tame bison
Ooo nemesis sword, flurry slash, Artemis strike, and 133% attack dmg from 2 chaos boons lol
Oh and epic strong drink
This is gonna be interesting
sonic mural
Too bad no double edge
tame bison
double edge and flurry slash kinda a Nonbo.
frail schooner
just how rare is chaos defiance
turbid needle
flurry slash is annoying for dash attack builds
pretty damn rare, u also need to have gotten a chaos boon previously on that run
frail schooner
i had chaos favor, god's legacy, and the chaos egg (so +71%) and rerolled twice
and didnt get it
have never seen it in almost 200 runs
turbid needle
ive only seen it like twice
frail schooner
about to enter a third chaos gate with those three AND nectar
if i dont get it now..
rare kindle
I've seen it a few times but only managed to get the boon successfully once
(I had like no health the other times)
rare kindle
How do you avoid the shockwave in middle management Medusa head and falling stone face?
frail schooner
Dash through it (not dash-strike)
opal lodge
yeah sort of keep your eye mostly on where the skull crusher will be while you autopilot the dusa
then you can double dash out, double dash in on the crusher slam
bronze marten
If I go in with zeus keepsake at the start and then leave it on when I start asphodel, will I be guaranteed another Zeus boon in asphodel?
opal lodge
no
warped hound
Can I iframe my own hazard bomb?
I'm either doing it wrong or it can't be resisted or iframed in any way
Unless with invincible call or smthn
cunning urchin
You can i-frame it with empty dash, yeah.
warped hound
I've been doing it wrong then, since I know it can't be resisted by DR or acorn and alike
opal lodge
yes
warped hound
Amazing
icy root
does anyone know what that icon is in the dark foresight perk
the perk you can equip in the mirror of night
aa it'd be easier if i could send an image
opal lodge
yeah i believe it's the room laurels
warped hound
@icy root It's the orb that shows room rewards
echo radish
Man poseidon dash with arthur is a terrible idea
warped hound
To put it simply, it lowers the chance for progression rewards, thus improving the chance for rewards for a particular run
turbid needle
Poseidon dash on melee weapon lol
opal lodge
poseidon dash on dem fists is sort of the current speed meta
echo radish
It works with other melee weapons pretty well
opal lodge
poseidon dash on talos is also just straight up good
since you can yoink them toward you and then dash strike
echo radish
Arthur dash strike doesn't hit before poseidon knockback unlike other weapons
warped hound
Yeah, KB dash on Arthur makes the game harder
It's like a hidden pact of punishment option or smthn
As if enemies bonking you with 1 frame attacks in the middle of your combo interrupting it wasn't enough
now you can't start your combo in the first place
river rampart
for the chiron bow is it better to normal > special*2 or alternate between normal and special attacks
i mainly run Ares normal with Artemis special(probably standard tbh)
fair cairn
TIL the chaos +1 death defiance adds another, not a replenishment
crimson mango
oh what
cloud vault
Man poseidon dash with arthur is a terrible idea
Honestly it's a really good high heat Arthur strat IMO, consecrate dash is way better than the slow swings
fair cairn
destroyed EM3 hilariously with hestia lmao
echo radish
i find it really hard to win with hestia
the mobs die ez but the bosses just tpose me
especially once dad starts summoning 4-5 skulls at once
warped hound
Is it even possible to get Blown Kiss in this game version? Don't think I ever seen it in almost 100h
crimson mango
uh, what is with guan yu cutting all of your hp related stats by 70%
could someone explain what guan yu aspects offers
untold vortex
it's effectively a glass cannon with a spin attack that can heal through LC4
river rampart
It's interesting all though
crimson mango
and the last aspect is too risky for me to use
I never use the spin attack much
in fact, I always trade it for an attack speed buff whenever I get the chance to
river rampart
This game kinda is a bit harder when running healing aspect/hammer
Due to you not being able to tank as much hits as normally
Risk vs reward basic stuff
crimson mango
Should have just made it -70 base
proven osprey
Guan Yu is the best spear aspect
The HP loss is not a problem until high heat
High damage special which also pierces, great attack and the spin is a formidable dps and healing tool
You should start with the Eternal Rose, Aphrodite should keep you alive
A lot of builds are possible, ask if you need help
misty cedar
Statistically speaking, which deals more damage: Priviledged status or Family favorite?
proven osprey
FF is a lot more reliable
And usually, Artemis is your way to go to deal damage. Hence you won't benefit from her curse (marked foes is not reliable either) to proc PS
So basically running PS prevents you from going Arty
But I guess that at low heat you can force whatever gods you want (Aphrodite, Demeter would be good for PS)
misty cedar
FF it is then
proven osprey
FF is always active, depending on the aspect PS might be hard to use
yeah in general
But for specific builds PS is totally fine
but in general, can't go wrong with FF
misty cedar
Thank you
proven osprey
sonic juniper
Tempest strike, Sea storm
crimson mango
Should I invest in God's Pride or God's Legacy
proven osprey
I would say God's legacy is better overall since most boons don't need rarity to be good
However it depends on the heat you're playing at and some builds don't care about duos at all
I would go God's Legacy first so you can test a lot of fun combos
river rampart
hmm decided to try out my lvl1 guan yu
go quick spin and massive spin with almost full athena boons LOL
i started with 15 hp though
90 HP going into temple of styx is kinda....uhhh
im not good enough at this game to make that work
true sphinx
P status is the best tho uhhh
river rampart
went into hades with 105HP 3 Death defiance and actually did it(2 deaths)
with that note...uh whats generally the build for guan yu?
proven osprey
The spin build you mentionned can clear any run
Usually you'll build around first hammer
hallow pivot
proven osprey
with that note...uh whats generally the build for guan yu?
Eternal rose strat, pick strike or flourish (the better one)
Then the other should be Artemis
river rampart
hmm i see
proven osprey
Artemis for their duo