h1-builds-and-combat

[fair cairn]

I just ditched a rama 9 heat run because I didnt get any good speed boons from hermes

[opal lodge]

no hermes attack does not

unless you do the standing attack

which is just bad

doesnt shorten dash attacks

[fair cairn]

for rama go all in on special tbh

[opal lodge]

i dont think rama wants that much from hermes tbh aside from the usual hyper sprint/extra dashes

[echo radish]

So which hermes boons am I really looking for

[opal lodge]

hyper sprint extra dashes

[fair cairn]

• dash, movement speed

[opal lodge]

you could get special speed too if youre doing a special build

[fair cairn]

if you are on melee dodge is also good

[echo radish]

Also the Rama specific hammer any good?

[opal lodge]

but special builds generallly dont have great results on this patch

no

[echo radish]

The one the makes a blast

[opal lodge]

repulse shot is terrible

[fair cairn]

^

[echo radish]

Rip

[warped hound]

Only if you don't have anything usable

[fair cairn]

rama doesnt really benefit from hammers that much

[opal lodge]

???

[echo radish]

I mean RIPulse shot

[opal lodge]

rama is considered one of the more hammer reliant weapons by far

second to like

nemesis

[hollow helm]

Rama needs Twin and Triple extremely

[opal lodge]

the difference between triple/twin shot rama vs not is very stark

[fair cairn]

hm

I didnt get either

[hollow helm]

the special build is a meme that can work at low heat

[warped hound]

If I can't get twin/triple, I get pulse shot

[hollow helm]

but playing Rama at its peak requires abusing Shared Suffering

[opal lodge]

point blank/perfect are also fine

probably A-tier hammers

[echo radish]

Do you not charge to full for double triple shot?

[opal lodge]

triple/twin are S though

you do

those dont change the charge time

[echo radish]

Isn't twin shot the one that makes two arrows side by side?

[opal lodge]

if youre interested in rama watch some tailesque videos

[warped hound]

You don't get explosive shot on Rama, it's the only thing that lengthens charge time

double just cuts your range

[opal lodge]

the dudes a wizard on rama

[dry ember]

It is. If you are wondering about charge time, it's the same.

[echo radish]

Huh I guess I've reached the point where I'm gonna need videos and guides to get better

[opal lodge]

could always just try playing more rama

[fair cairn]

twin shot just reduces range

[dry ember]

Just that the range is shorter which makes it feels like it charges longer.

[opal lodge]

and pay attention to where youre getting stunned/taking damage

[echo radish]

How do you manage with the shortened range though, aren't you putting yourself more at risk of being staggered

[dry ember]

Yeah, you just... do it

Same with Triple Shot.

[warped hound]

Rama is very mediocre I'd say, it's not like Exa where it's mediocre on average run but on god run you just annihilate everything

[hollow helm]

a combination of dash strikes and awareness would do it

[warped hound]

It's not entirely godlike even with amazing RNG

[echo radish]

Well I need a bow for when the thirst hits my bows, and chiron feels too boring

[hollow helm]

not really, Triple Point-Blank Rama with Heart Rend will melt bosses

[warped hound]

Hera

[dry ember]

Rama is self sufficient which makes it great for high heat climbs

[hollow helm]

it's just an aspect that requires a lot of practice and awareness

[opal lodge]

hmm

[dry ember]

As for power rankings, to each their own. I find Rama on par with Zag Bow for power (DC aside)

[echo radish]

Btw do chaos attack buffs also buff dash strike?

[dry ember]

But hard to argue against the power of Rama on high heat

[hollow helm]

yup

[opal lodge]

rama is probably the best bow for high heat and is about side-by-side with hera for best bow for speed

i think the results prove that rama is very far from mediocre

[echo radish]

What cast do you go for on hera

[opal lodge]

crush shot is quite good

[dry ember]

I am partial to trippy shot

[echo radish]

Without flying kiss I assume?

[opal lodge]

blown kiss is fine

not a priority

[dry ember]

Speedrunners abandoned Trippy Hera

[warped hound]

Anything but Dio tbh

[opal lodge]

trippy is fun

[dry ember]

But I like it. Still very strong

[warped hound]

I'd avoid Artemis too if I can

it's good but very janky

[echo radish]

I've used trippy shot exclusively on cast weapons so I was thinking of what else I could use

[dry ember]

Now cbeam hera

XC

[fair cairn]

well do you really have much choice for Hera cast

[opal lodge]

yes

why wouldnt you

just force your cast

[warped hound]

Yes, everything but Dio, except Dio can also be good if you have spare time

[opal lodge]

dio cast is big dam

i personally dont like on hera but its hard to argue with results

[dry ember]

Phalanx Hera would be fun if Phalanx Shot isn't molasses slow.

[fair cairn]

or ares, if it actually lasts more than 1 second on Hera

[warped hound]

Outside of dislodge builds it's better than other options on bosses. In other rooms tho...

[opal lodge]

the terrible aoe and asphodel being a biome are the only reasons i dont use phalanx shot hera

crush shot is nice because your casts dont leave you for greener pastures in asphodel

[fair cairn]

yeah crush shot is nice

[dry ember]

Lmao

[opal lodge]

yeah i dont run trippy but theres good reason to

crush shot is a great balance

very solid base damage

decent aoe

[warped hound]

Yea, I use Don cast where I can

[opal lodge]

don cast?

[warped hound]

Poseidon

[fair cairn]

crush shot + curse of longing maybe

[opal lodge]

flood shot hera used to be meta

then they fixed crush shot

[echo radish]

Wdym fixed

[fair cairn]

yeah flood shot + all the knockback boons good either

[dry ember]

Crush shot used to be buggy. The cast explodes behind enemies and does no damage

[opal lodge]

^

so literally unusable

[dry ember]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

Just not reliable

[opal lodge]

but now that it's fixed theres not much of a reason to use flood over it

unless youre tryina have fun

which i suppose is a good enough reason

[warped hound]

If you have Aphro attack (which you should) you can use Don cast for rupture

since you can already use the additional damage on weakened with it

[opal lodge]

i am too tired to talk about priv stat today

[warped hound]

you get better AoE with roughly the same damage since rupture

[dry ember]

I haven't equip priv stat for soooo long

[opal lodge]

i just wish it would go back to 50

[dry ember]

Back in the day that was all I used

[opal lodge]

then theres a reason to think about it

same

because 40>25 right?

[dry ember]

Maf checkes out

[opal lodge]

LOL

[echo radish]

Is FF better?

[dry ember]

More reliable, especially on high heat

So yes

[coarse moss]

FF works no matter what boon are given

[hollow helm]

it's so much more consistent

[opal lodge]

more reliable also on speedruns

there are only two reasons to run PS now

either you are running a build that quickly gets two primary status curses

or you just like the funny PS sounds

by primary status curses i mean statuses that are applied without needing additional boons

[dry ember]

I think that's because you need 2 status which means PS is enabled later and hence reduce its overall value.

[opal lodge]

like chill/weak/hangover/doom

indeed

[hollow helm]

does Beo Aphro even run PS now?

[opal lodge]

beo aphro 🤮

um

theres a case to be made

but iirc even bablo doesnt use PS for it

and bablo was the one who pioneered that build

[warped hound]

Beo works with anything but Zeus tbh

[dry ember]

Didn't Bablo do Beo Aphro?

Lol about to say

[proven osprey]

I thought aphro was good on beo

[opal lodge]

i dont think bablo uses PS at all though

it is

[warped hound]

It functions.

[opal lodge]

you cant argue with results

i just personally hate it

[proven osprey]

yet you still puke

yeah I see

[opal lodge]

especially now that flood flare is a thing

[warped hound]

You can go even further beyond and get Ares duo

for meme overdrive

[proven osprey]

He did it

it was a disaster

[opal lodge]

curse of drowning takes everything nice about flood flare and shoves it in the trash can

[warped hound]

I know

[opal lodge]

good for memes but memes only

[worldly blaze]

Ok so basically my Hunter's Mark now gives over 100% crit rate on its own
that's nice

[warped hound]

but it's funny. And does better damage if you somehow majke it work

[hollow helm]

is Blizzard Shot worth getting on Pos cast builds?

[dry ember]

Oh yeah

Oh wait

[warped hound]

No

It doesn't lodge

it just flies forward

[dry ember]

Though you meant Skipping Stone somehow

[opal lodge]

depends

blizz shot talos can be nice

[hollow helm]

I had like a 13 minute Poseidon Pos Cast run and couldnt replicate it with an early Mirage Shot on Tart

then again I flubbed that one extra hard

[dry ember]

There is a problem though

You have to pick Talos

[opal lodge]

😦

[dry ember]

[opal lodge]

one of my fav aspects getting done dirty by foxhope

[dry ember]

Yw

[coarse moss]

apologize to talos

[warped hound]

Thanos. Glove looks appropriate.

[dry ember]

I'm sorry talos' feelings were hurt.

[warped hound]

Either way, it's not horrible

but it's not Demeter either

[opal lodge]

thats not an apology 🔫

it was better before the dad keepsake and sea storm nerfs

those honestly hit talos harder than eris

[dry ember]

Speaking of Demeter, is it me or have we been overvaluing explosive upper?

I feel like it doesn't add to single target damage

Just AOE damage

[opal lodge]

what do you put over it though

breaching sure

[dry ember]

Long Knuckle

[opal lodge]

also the aoe is quite important on your strongest move

long knuckle gets an eh from me

its fine

[dry ember]

Or... Kinetic?

[opal lodge]

i like kinetic a lot

i put it like right under explosive/breaching

[dry ember]

Like I might take Kinetic over Explosive unironically

Might

[opal lodge]

i love kinetic

think it depends on usage

both give the same thing

aoe

[worldly blaze]

i think explosive vs kinetic depends on the flourish you got

[dry ember]

Always Deadly Flourish

[opal lodge]

^

or heartbreak

[dry ember]

Ew

[opal lodge]

it got me 45 i cant be mad

[dry ember]

True, but ew

[worldly blaze]

If you're going for a status flourish like heartbreak i feel like the AoE from explosive might be better for it

[opal lodge]

anything that lives after a dem special doesnt care about aoe LOL

[dry ember]

Someone remind me, is PS global damage or?

[opal lodge]

yeah

[echo radish]

Do dash strike bonuses apply for dash cutter

[opal lodge]

dash upper?

like on fists?

[echo radish]

Yes

[opal lodge]

then yes

[dry ember]

Yes

[worldly blaze]

really?

[dry ember]

Yes

[worldly blaze]

i thought only special applied to those

[dry ember]

Dash Upper is a Dash Strike

Go figure

[cunning urchin]

Most overrated Demeter hammer.

[hazy python]

Yo im new to Hades! I've been playing quite a bit and I've been having a thought about a potential build.

Would an Athena/Artemis build be good? This way you can attack everything and also get insane amounts of crits. That sounds kinda dope.

[worldly blaze]

which weapon?

[vale imp]

oh yeah for sure

[worldly blaze]

And which boons specifically are we talking about?

[vale imp]

their Duo boon is decent iirc

[worldly blaze]

Deflecting gives you 20% crit chance for 2 seconds

it's nice

but you need Divine Strike/Flourish which is kind of bruh

[turbid needle]

I mainly play sword but I'm having a hard time with escapes, do you know about any sword build I should try with ||Zagreus Aspect||?

I know most things works, but I would like to take a look at the 'meta', if that exists here.

[worldly blaze]

you don't need to spoiler tag stuff here btw

[cosmic hornet]

artemis attack, aphro special, heartrend, artemis/athena dash

dash attack spam

[cloud vault]

Does ANYTHING boost companion damage?

I saw Haelian or someone do 18000 damage with than so wondering

[vale imp]

when the text says "they take increased damage" that would increase companion damage i think

like privileged status doesn't actually boost your damage, it boosts the damage done on the enemies if that makes sense

[warped hound]

I've heard good things about the supersoaker build, it's time to give it a test

[tame bison]

Don’t do it. You have to use Lucifer

🤮

[warped hound]

I like Lucifer way more than other aspects tho.

[vale imp]

Same

Lucifer slaps especially with the Triple bomb build

[tame bison]

This the one where you toss out 3 bombs, lose 50 hp going thru that slow ass animation, loss 50 more trying to trigger the bomb?

But seriously what special do ppl use for that? I’d try it hah

[alpine solar]

I really love curse of drowning

Is it this bad ?

[alpine solar]

I think the aphro debuff (The one that make you deal more damage to weakened enemy) And maybe the one that make you inflict greater damage on dd

[tame bison]

FO2 Hades is unpleasant. Not even EM4 version lol. Not cut out for higher heat

[echo radish]

I'm on a losing streak trying to get used to fo2

[stone harbor]

It deals pretty good damage, you just have no range

[echo radish]

It was horrible at first but I'm getting used to it slowly, getting a few wins now

[stone harbor]

Idk if it is bad, I don't see how it would be

[alpine solar]

I won on FO3 i think (Is it the max one ?) with eris, but it was kind of a clunky run

[stone harbor]

Fo2 is max

[echo radish]

Elysium and up is where you really feel the fo2

Fo2 is max

[alpine solar]

Usually I use it with the fist

Oh ok

[stone harbor]

I have done one fo2 run so far, I had 8 hp on my last DD, I had no right to win that

[alpine solar]

So FO2

[stone harbor]

I did not dodge close to enough, I won purely because I had like 300 hp

[echo radish]

Lol I just try to reach dad with 3 dd to bully him

[alpine solar]

It's my minimum to be confident on EM4

[stone harbor]

I just fo it with chiron lol

[echo radish]

I haven't tried chiron in fo2 yet

I find the playstyle pretty boring

[stone harbor]

I meant em4, not fo2

[echo radish]

Oh lol

I've yet to try em4

I thought of turning down fo for it but I really don't want to go back to playing without fo

[stone harbor]

Should have replied

[echo radish]

I'm finally getting a hang of it

How much heat is em4?

[alpine solar]

10

[echo radish]

Ah so I can 16 heat with fo and em alone

That's pretty cool

[alpine solar]

I went to 10 with EM, and now i strugle at 14 or so

I should try to turn it of

[stone harbor]

That's prohably the hardest way to get 16 heat lol

[tame bison]

EM4 2FO is probably the hardest way to hit 16 Heat lol

[echo radish]

I'm getting all my weapons to 6 with fo2

[alpine solar]

Yeah

That spear would be fast as hell

[true sphinx]

I need a build for the Shield, I struggle with dealing enough dmg ..

[echo radish]

It prolly is but I really really don't want to turn off fo

[alpine solar]

Zeus special

[echo radish]

What aspect baki

[hazy python]

For rail gun and boxing gloves.

I was thinking boons for Athena would be attack to deflect and deflect while dodging. And for Artemis just any boon that allows a chance to crit. This is because DPS is so high you have a high chance to crit in general.

[alpine solar]

Then hide behind your shield

[stone harbor]

That being said I would encourage you to do em4, do it with no other modifiers if necessary, it is the most fun fight in the game by far IMO

[true sphinx]

I’m using Chaos rn, only one I have really

[echo radish]

What level is your chaos shield

[true sphinx]

Level 2 I think, it throws 3 shields

[dusk linden]

i find chaos not great after the change compared to beowulf

[true sphinx]

Yeah the special deals no dmg💀

[echo radish]

Manageable I guess, try Zeus special or dio special

[dusk linden]

or ares

[echo radish]

Oh yea doom is pretty good on special too

Then you can get aphro attack if you're going for ares special

[dusk linden]

btw companion fidi vs battie?

[true sphinx]

I find myself almost not using the special and only using the bull rush because of how little dmg it deals

[echo radish]

That's why you go for boon damage on the special

[stone harbor]

Who gives you fidi? Battie is meg, right?

[echo radish]

Cause the base damage on it is low

[alpine solar]

I use meg

[dusk linden]

damage is pretty lackluster until you get a good boon and max level on the aspect

[alpine solar]

Or achilles

[dusk linden]

yeah

fidi is dusa

[echo radish]

Ares, Zeus and dio are the boon damage gods

[alpine solar]

Never tried dusa one

[dusk linden]

im trying for shady but its taking forever

[stone harbor]

I prefer meg, it is the best combination of easy aimong, damage and aoe

[echo radish]

All other gods give percentage damage boost which is not ideal cause your base damage is small so multiplying it doesn't do much

[stone harbor]

Dusa might be good for very high heat, but for low heat it does not do much imo

[alpine solar]

Zeus is nice on shield

Like really nice

[echo radish]

Yea Zeus on chaos shield and Zeus shield shield is nuts

[alpine solar]

Yup

[echo radish]

Zeus shield btw is stupid good at even lv1

[alpine solar]

I also like zeus shield demeter, but it's because of status proc

[turbid needle]

zeus zeus shield zeus shield shield

[echo radish]

I tried meme beam today, I don't think I can play demeter any other way now

[stone harbor]

Meme beam?

[echo radish]

Demeter cast

[stone harbor]

Yeah, but is it anything I don't know or just amassing as many casts as possible and getting a duo with artemis?

[echo radish]

It's just that

I used only three casts but it's funny seeing the artic blast keep popping ever few seconds

[alpine solar]

Duo with aphrodite is hella fun

I did a stupid run yesterday

With boons that make it longer and stygian souks

[true sphinx]

My favourite weapon is the Chiron bow, I love it but it’s sadly only level 2 );

[alpine solar]

8 lasers on the field

With eris

[stone harbor]

Is there any advantage over artemis with artemis aiming itself?

[echo radish]

Man I can never manage to get dio/arty duo dio/aphro duo and aphro/arty duo together

It's always one missing

[alpine solar]

The amount of VFX was stupid

[alpine solar]

No

It's worse

But It's fun

[alpine solar]

did you try taking chaos boon for better boons, and reroll for boons ?

[true sphinx]

What should I pair with Arthur sword, Artemis and then who?

[worldly blaze]

Ok so basically if you want Athena and Artemis in the same build the stuff you should go for is Divine Dash and maybe Phalanx Shot from Athena and Deadly Strike/Flourish along with more crit stacking from Artemis (so pretty much Pressure Points, Hunter's Mark and Clean Kill)

[echo radish]

Yep I had double chaos boon for better boons

[alpine solar]

Aphrodite

[echo radish]

I basically got only epic rarity boons that run

The only duo I was missing with dio/arty

[alpine solar]

But arthurs works nearly by itself

[true sphinx]

Aphro on the special then?

[echo radish]

Heart rend pretty nuts so sure

I wish arty/Athena duo would work with divine dash

Meaningful Athena on attack or special is hard to pull off

[hazy python]

Is phalanx shot that orb that goes on your cast? Or is that another boon?

[worldly blaze]

Athena cast

[alpine solar]

athena on special is ok

[turbid needle]

I got the aspect of ||guan yu|| time to grind more titan blood

[alpine solar]

Do you keep a duo if you sell one of the required boons ?

[rancid crag]

guan yu steals a fixed hp or based on its dmg?

[warped hound]

1 HP ticks

[echo radish]

Which weapon Athena special is okay

[alpine solar]

1 hp/hit

[rancid crag]

meh

[echo radish]

Like shield Athena attack is cool but I haven't seen anywhere I'd like Athena special

[rancid crag]

i have lvl 1 guan yu and if i chose high confidence i literally have 15 hp lol

[alpine solar]

But since you don't have any HP 1hp/tick is like half a life pool

[warped hound]

Coronacht

Just deflect the entire arena worth of projectiles

[echo radish]

Oh true

[warped hound]

Only useful in like two encounters in the game

[alpine solar]

Zeus shield

And well

the damage is fine

[echo radish]

Well im not going to Athena special on Zeus shield lol

[alpine solar]

I use it sometime with nemesis

To get the duo

[echo radish]

I'm trying to get the arty Athena duo, not much point there

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/e6AGBFg.jpg

[echo radish]

Yea nemesis is the only weapon I've gotten it on so far

[rancid crag]

for me great duo with nemesis is artemis aphrodite

[keen mesa]

I don't think I've ever used exploding launcher before, but it is AWESOME

[alpine solar]

But usually the deflects come from divine dash

[tame bison]

Oh lord why are using aspect of Zag spear lol

[rancid crag]

kek

[alpine solar]

I prefer the ||guan yu|| special

[rancid crag]

its spoiler free chat dont worry btw

but ok

[bleak laurel]

with guan yu

what should I go for

in terms of keepsakes

each round

and which boons?

new to the game but beat it 11x

[rancid crag]

i havent played guan yu but i guess collar is good? since you lose a lot of hp

[warped hound]

@bleak laurel Just don't get Don attack or any tick attacks and you'll be fine

[proven osprey]

Doom attack is good on GY

[tame bison]

Pierced Butterfly high confidence Guan Yu is fun

[rancid crag]

lol

[tame bison]

Seriously fun 🙂

[echo radish]

Hey if you're gonna high confidence might as well butterfly it

[keen mesa]

I don't like guan yu, the health loss is yucky ;-P

[echo radish]

You die to one hit anyway

[rancid crag]

yep

[echo radish]

[keen mesa]

I normally do Punishing Sweep

[echo radish]

Yea hades spear is love

[keen mesa]

but I like chain skewer so I took Zag Spear for it

[tame bison]

The problem with punishing sweep is you have to use Spin

[keen mesa]

yeah

[echo radish]

Just don't touch the special button

Spin is fine on hades

[proven osprey]

@bleak laurel The classic is to aim for Heart Rend. Heartbreak flourish/strike with Deadly Flourish/strike. You either go for a special build (Charged skewer hammer) or Spin (massive/quick spin). Hammers basically shape your build (but at low heat, it should not matter). You have other options : Merciful end with doom on attack, Zeus attack and get some damage with jolted, Demeter attack (excellent for spinning)

[echo radish]

I changed my entire view about spears when I learnt that I can dash spin

[keen mesa]

I'm just chucking explosive spears...

this is fantastic

[alpine solar]

what

[keen mesa]

aspect of zag with exploding launcher is just guan yu without the health loss

[echo radish]

If you dash before releasing spin, you can move

So basically cover the entire screen with your punishing sweep

And charge safely out of range

[warped hound]

That's how all melee weapons work

[alpine solar]

How

[warped hound]

Some attacks (and Arthur) are just slow enough for you to notice.

[alpine solar]

It seems amazing

[proven osprey]

Except Guan Yu has a better attack, can spin for a lot of dmg and heal and has exploding launcher included (even better since it pierces)

GY requires a bit of practice for sure

[alpine solar]

When i try to dash special with nemesis the special is just cancelled

[proven osprey]

But it's probably the best spear aspect

[alpine solar]

always a bit stressed when i do guan yu

Achilles is really fun

[echo radish]

Nemesis is a sword though?

[alpine solar]

Yep

[echo radish]

I was talking about spear spin

The long press attack

[alpine solar]

Yeah but someone said you could do it on any weapon

But I understood what you said

It's a nice trick

I should try

[tame bison]

Guan Yu special also has much higher base damage. 25% base dmg from aspect of Zagreus spear is worse than a Chaos Boon (by a lot) and about equal to a Pom on your special

So you traded your entire aspect for 1 Pom Blossom essentially

[alpine solar]

The health loss is kinda meh

[echo radish]

I mean you can't dash a bull rush so I guess it was just a hyperbole or something idk

[proven osprey]

The health loss is ofc a downside

but you have the ability to heal

[alpine solar]

I try to go to at least 150

health

With guan yu

Because daddy hits hard

[vale imp]

just don't let daddy hit you

ez

[proven osprey]

I had 77hp vs dad for my 40 heat mirrorless GY

[alpine solar]

easier said than done

[vale imp]

I sweat so hard during the Hades fight with GY

[alpine solar]

Me too

[vale imp]

tbh

[proven osprey]

Acorn has a lot of value on GY

[vale imp]

very true

[alpine solar]

Ok so

[novel dome]

Whats a good boon for Arthur?

[vale imp]

I can never get the dash right during Hades' spin

any high % attack boons

[alpine solar]

at which point of your life you're like "I'm going to do a 40 heat MIRORLESS run"

[vale imp]

Aphro, Athena, and Artemis are all good

[alpine solar]

How are you doing this

[echo radish]

I mean ig if you're going for 40 heat there's only so many ways you can go for 40 heat

[proven osprey]

I have no idea

[alpine solar]

But it must be so damn hard

[echo radish]

That's what she said

[alpine solar]

XD

[echo radish]

[proven osprey]

Yeah it's difficult

[alpine solar]

Like i have trouble fighting EM4

[proven osprey]

EM4 is a super hard fight

[alpine solar]

I don't imagine how can you manage to beat it mirorless

[proven osprey]

hm

I don't think it has be done yet

[alpine solar]

Oh

[proven osprey]

I was considering it but the fight requires practice

[alpine solar]

Ok I legit thought you were a demi god a second ago

[proven osprey]

lmao

Sorry to disappoint

[turbid needle]

guan yu steals a fixed hp or based on its dmg?
@rancid crag fixed hp

-75% is too much tho

[true sphinx]

Anyone done a boonless run?

[keen mesa]

1 hP per hit

[turbid needle]

oh u mean

oh okay

yeah it's like 1 per tick

[alpine solar]

Yeah i saw some on the #h1-victory-boasting

[turbid needle]

but i need to max out the ||guan yu||

-75% is a lot of hp and healing gone

[alpine solar]

Max it before usage, that's what I do for hidden aspects

I think that it's neraly unplayble if not maxed

[alpine solar]

At least not boonless , but without olympians gifts

[sonic mural]

ya im p. sure people do it on 45 heat normally

[proven osprey]

Boonless with shackle yeah

[alpine solar]

Like chaos ok

[proven osprey]

has been done

[alpine solar]

But anything else no

[proven osprey]

quite "easy" with Hestia tho

[alpine solar]

Is hestia that good ?

[proven osprey]

It's excellent

[tame bison]

Yea

[proven osprey]

Best rail at high heat

[true sphinx]

My 1st clear was with Hestia

[alpine solar]

how do you build it

[tame bison]

%dmg attack, shoot, reload, shoot

Special in between

[proven osprey]

Deadly strike, you're full build gg

[tame bison]

Yeah basically

Heartrend ideal

Get deadly strike, crit for 1000 in Tartarus, profits

[alpine solar]

Oh

[proven osprey]

Hunter's mark works well with it

[alpine solar]

I see

[proven osprey]

you just change targets

Very good for Elysium champions

[alpine solar]

And you take the hammer that make the bullet bounce ?

[proven osprey]

Yeah it should be the best hammer

[tame bison]

Piercing also works

[proven osprey]

Piercing fire very good too

Hazard bomb is amazing too

[static ibex]

i've got 36 titan blood and I'm not sure what to upgrade

[proven osprey]

really helps for crowded rooms/shields

[tame bison]

If you have choice between Epic Reflex or epic Dodge...

[keen mesa]

everything lol

[novel dome]

it takes around 300 hearts to max out every thing

[sonic mural]

whatever weapon you like best

[tame bison]

Lol people with decision paralysis in video games

[keen mesa]

I'm surprised you got to 36 titan blood -without- upgrading stuff...

[static ibex]

i now right

[tame bison]

🙄

[static ibex]

I have upgraded weapons

[alpine solar]

Idk, max your favorite

[static ibex]

need to pick a sword to upgrade

not a fan of the sword

[sonic mural]

i have like 80 but i only focus one weapon at a time

[static ibex]

tried Arthur but it was pretty slow

[keen mesa]

it costs 15-16 blood to max out the 2nd, 3rd, and hidden aspects

5 for first (1 each upgrade), 15 for 2nd, 16 for 3rd, and 15 for hidden (3 each upgrade)

[novel dome]

51 per weapon

[coarse moss]

so what have you been using @static ibex

[static ibex]

Chiron/Achilles/Chaos/Talos/Eris

everything else is left at default

[novel dome]

Chiron is pretty nice

[alpine solar]

try to max zagreus

On sword

Usefull for story

[coarse moss]

which one you find easiest to use?

[novel dome]

I like using it with Dionysius special combo

[static ibex]

yeah I think I have Zagreus fully upgraded since I had to to unlock Arthur

Nemesis sounds intriguing, bonus crit chance is useful

[alpine solar]

Nemesis is fun

[sonic mural]

nemesis is very dash attack oriented

[alpine solar]

That double dash attack hammer is nice

and then spin around the enemies

And boom

no more enemies

It deals a ton of damage

Like easilly 500 /tick if you have enough crit

[coarse moss]

cant go wrong with nemesis

[static ibex]

i used to dislike Artemis then I by chance tried crit on Chiron, and the damage it outputs is quite deceptive yet strong

[alpine solar]

artemis is always nice

you don't see the effetcs

then boom

3k damage

[static ibex]

always thought of it as lesser since it didn't apply a status effect

[alpine solar]

Use FF

[sonic mural]

yah heartrend is by far the strongest option on chiron

[coarse moss]

priviledged status really limits your options

[sonic mural]

plus the fact that each dionysus volley has 6 stacks max, which is less than the chiron volley

[alpine solar]

usually aphro is the way on special because it deals a ton of damage

[coarse moss]

you can volley like 2-3 times on a target, before the homing wears off. the first volley applies max hangover, then the rest isnt really doing much damage but the base

[sonic mural]

no im pretty sure aphro on attack, artemis on special, heartrend

since artemis will do that +450% damage just for a crit

[alpine solar]

Well yeah

But you need a lot of crit

Because like +450 % is nice, but if it's only on 2/12

Or 8

I would rather take +170% on everything

[sonic mural]

aphro is not +170 on average

[alpine solar]

Well if you put some poms into it

[true sphinx]

Oh well I beat Hades with the shield

[undone sparrow]

hey uh....
does the sigil of the dead work with smoldering air?

[alpine solar]

idk

[keen mesa]

what's somldering air?

25% cap but charges super fast?

if so, yes, it does

[undone sparrow]

neat

[keen mesa]

but you'll never get the full 5 seconds though

because it can't be 100%

[alpine solar]

I only use aphro special on epic

So, well, yeah it's more

[coarse moss]

if we look at the common rarity boons, deadly flourish(40% dmg, 20% crit), and heartbreak flourish(80%)
apply it to charon's special, base damage 10
the damage increase:
heartbreak = 10 + 80% = 18
deadly = 10 + 40% =14 (no crit)
crit = 14 x (3x 0.2) = 22
per arrow.
sorry i dunno if i got math right hehe

[alpine solar]

Tho heartbreak on epic is like... 160 at least

[static ibex]

sweet, have artemis on attack and just got aphrodite special, let's see if I can find that duo

[sonic mural]

yah the math sounds about right just did it too

no need for artemis on attack then

you can just go priveledged status

[stone harbor]

what's the most free way to get 16 heat assuming I go EM4? I'm playing Chiron. Right now I'm thinking EM4, BP1, MM, DC1, TD1

[sonic mural]

how used are you to fo2 and td3

[stone harbor]

not at all

and I don't really want to touch FE2 and EM4 combined unless I really wanted to go 50 heat or something

[sonic mural]

td3 + em4

is the most "free" if you can win under 20 minutes

which honestly isnt too bad if you pause at every decision

[keen mesa]

HL1, LC1, JS1, CP1...

[proven osprey]

That's an awful combo

[stone harbor]

I never played td3 and I can't reliably get below 20 minutes

[static ibex]

CF is pretty easy to handle

[alpine solar]

yep

[keen mesa]

I've never played the game without HL, LC, JS, and CP, because I started on Hell Mode

I don't even know what this "Auto Defense" is

[sonic mural]

damage control is free if ur weapon is fast hitting

[stone harbor]

since it's chiron, I could go for DC2 and either TD2 or CF1

and cut out MM

[sonic mural]

yah any of those options is fine

[stone harbor]

or go all of them and cut out BP instead

[keen mesa]

MM is like the easiest 2 points ever though

[sonic mural]

so are the rest of the options tho

[stone harbor]

don't even needCf if I go TD2

[sonic mural]

BP, MM, UC are 3 free heats for 2 each

[keen mesa]

yeah but MM is -- I think -- the only 2 point option you can entirely avoid, if you want

You don't have to take those rooms, normally

I don't know why you wouldn't, but

[stone harbor]

I would cut BP before cutting MM tbh

[keen mesa]

aside from teleporting butterfly ball

they're all super easy

[fair cairn]

^

MM is basically free heat

[stone harbor]

I have chiron teleporting is nop big deal

[fair cairn]

BP2 on certain enemies are way more annoying

[sonic mural]

yah but at no other modifiers

you hardly notice it

once you start adding in hl, fo, etc then you start noticing it

[keen mesa]

I had BP2 where the enemies kept regerenating damage control on themselves

with like 4 stacks of it

by the time I got all the stacks off they'd have it on again

[turbid needle]

bp2 just sounds silly

so I have avoided it like the plague

[stone harbor]

I think I like EM4, Bp1, MM, Dc1, Td1 the most

[keen mesa]

"Savior (blue shield) - The enemy will periodically give other nearly enemies 1 shielded health, up to a max of 5."

that's the one

god that's rough

need to separate them

[stone harbor]

I also hate the one that gives movement speed combined with FO

[sonic mural]

oh god the fists are the worse

[fair cairn]

yeah EM4 BP1 MM DC1 and TD1/2 are good baseline

although I'm not confident enough to do EM3 and 4

[turbid needle]

savior speeder numskulls

[stone harbor]

I know I can do it with either dio/aphro or dio/ares

[keen mesa]

EM3 is fine if you get used to it

just avoid the whirlwidn

also poseidin rupture will kill both of them easily

[fair cairn]

EM3 usually will take at least 1DD to beat atm for me

[keen mesa]

theseus will drive around in circles killing himself

[fair cairn]

EM4 I havent actually used

[stone harbor]

I would recommend it, it's the most fun fight in the game imo

just don't picka ynthing else with it at first and do some op build and you should be fine

[fair cairn]

yeah might pick that when I want to farm some darkness

still need about 10K to max out

[rancid crag]

em4 is cool, kinda crazy at times

but yeah you must be certain with ur build to beat it

[novel dome]

Good boon for Guan Yu?

(I'm doing hidden aspects prophecies, thats the last one)

[proven osprey]

Guan Yu

[wise trout]

hello i'm new here

[proven osprey]

hello new here

[true sphinx]

Hello

[wise trout]

on the second phase of Hades there is a giant laser attack, i keep taking damage and using all my revives there

how do i dodge it?

[pseudo stream]

Hide

[proven osprey]

Hiding behind rocks is the best option

[pseudo stream]

Pillars everywhere, get behind one

[stone harbor]

either hiode behind the pillars or stand righht on top ofg him

[pseudo stream]

Not exactly pillars. Rocks is good

Right on top doesn’t seem to work well for me haha

[proven osprey]

pillars made of rocks

[wise trout]

is there something that shows when he's gonna do that attack?

[proven osprey]

yes

[novel dome]

We get used to stay right on top after we can beat him easily, but at first is pretty scary xD

[wise trout]

ok thanks

[pseudo stream]

His spear spins

[novel dome]

he stops chasing you and start spinning his spear I think

[true sphinx]

Or hold shield block I think? Does that block it?

[stone harbor]

fml I never get aphro/dio

[novel dome]

You'll get used to it and start notice

[pseudo stream]

I mean I generally beat him quite easily except on EM4, I guess I should watch a speed run video cuz that sounds useful as heck

[novel dome]

Yup

[proven osprey]

Hades grabs his spear, goes majorette with it. Then you'll see 4 gigaros. The frame after, the lasers come

[pseudo stream]

Shield will work, though the hiding habit may be better

[novel dome]

Shield even blocks those beams damage from skulls

It's OP

[wise trout]

should i get hammer or ares with a shield?

i know that they are both pretty good

[slim lynx]

family favorite or privileged status?

[proven osprey]

I assume you play Zag shield?

[wise trout]

yes

[proven osprey]

Then you should go for heartbreak strike and bonk your enemies to death

[wise trout]

what's that

[proven osprey]

Aphrodite's attack boon

[slim lynx]

do i go for family favorite or privileged status?

[wise trout]

ok

[proven osprey]

@slim lynx FF is preferred in general

[stone harbor]

so I'm beginning of elysium, do I take hermes attack speed, dodge or side hustle? I have no rolls left

[novel dome]

Can someone name a good starting boon for Guan Yu?

[proven osprey]

Max, I just quoted myself to give you some advice lol

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[novel dome]

XD, didnt notice that, thanks bro

[proven osprey]

you're welcome

[stone harbor]

should you companion during phase 2 or 3 of the em4 fight?

I'm using meg if that matters

[proven osprey]

To me phase 1 is the most dangerous

but it's because I fight him at high heat in general

Summon is good to finish the fight too

[turbid needle]

I find phase 1 scarier even without em4

[proven osprey]

that's prolly true

[stone harbor]

I used it during phase 3

definitely should have done it during 1 though, ||if only to get rid of one of the minibosses||

[static ibex]

does Hunter Dash work with Dash-Special with fists?

says Dash-Strike, is that only Dash + Attack?

[true sphinx]

I think so yeah

Dash-Upper is for the special

[turbid needle]

Dash attack bonus applies also to dash upper for claw only.

[stone harbor]

sweet nectar does not apply to pom blossom, right?

[true sphinx]

Does Lambent Plume Dodge and movement speed go away if I swap it?

[static ibex]

yes it does, sadly

[true sphinx]

Ok thanks good thing I didnt swap it

[keen mesa]

No one has ever been more glad to see Patroclus than me, right now.

https://imgur.com/2AYSwSE.jpg

[coarse moss]

jerky is obvious choice here

[stone harbor]

Do it

Haelian did a no getting hit run, you can too

[true sphinx]

Lambent Plume was spicy

With Zag aspect on the gloves

[warped hound]

Didn't get to try out supersoaker since I just swapped for frost strike to cosplay mr Freeze

Still kinda underwhelming without exploiting dash spam with autoaim, but oh well.

[real kernel]

I got Cursed Slash on the Aspect of ||Arthur|| in the first room last run, and I never felt particularly challenged until the final boss.

I'd sort of been hoping for Cursed Slash: I took Lasting Consequences specifically because it was irrelevant if you could get that upgrade

I really think it should be nerfed. It is just too powerful relative to other upgrades and weapons.

I mean, compare it with the Aspect of ||Guan Yu||.

[frail schooner]

no

spear 4 is much much better than sword 4 when you go to heat 40+

[warped hound]

Cursed slash is mediocre. Some people hate it, some like it on faster swords.

[real kernel]

If you say so. Maybe it just works better on low Heat

[frail schooner]

it works better with Forced Overtime off.

[real kernel]

That was a Heat 4 run

[warped hound]

But yes, on higher heat there are better hammers.

[frail schooner]

but.... 54 heat zag sword did get forced to used cursed slash

[real kernel]

I mean, Heat over 20 is basically outside the expectations of the game

Er, Heat 32 I guess

Heat 32 is the highest amount of Heat that comes with a specific reward

[warped hound]

Zag aspect isn't very good

(still better than Arthur)

[true sphinx]

Can you get hoarding slash on ||arthur|| ?

[warped hound]

Yes

[real kernel]

Yes, and it is mighty.

[true sphinx]

[real kernel]

Hoarding Slash is great for me, because I always save all my Obols until the Temple of Styx to get the big-ticket Artifact

[true sphinx]

I wanna try it now

[real kernel]

I personally love the Aspect of ||Arthur||, since it fits my preferred playstyle of weaving in and out of combat.

[true sphinx]

My favourite is the aspect of Chiron on the bow

[real kernel]

I want to go in, deliver extremely high amounts of damage, then disengage to avoid getting flanked.

[sonic mural]

why cursed slash on arthur

isnt that contradictory?

[real kernel]

Cursed Slash is arguably better on other Aspect of Zagreus, since that comes with bonus attack speed. On the other hand, Aspect of ||Arthur|| is just really really good

It delivers such stupidly high damage that a single combo can nail Exalted. I'm sure that gets much worse on high Heat, but still

[sonic mural]

arthur has such a slow attack speed why would you go cursed slash on it tho?

and arthur's whole aspect is high health, high damage reduction

[real kernel]

I guess I have a knack for avoiding hits even with that attack speed

[stone harbor]

Prohably because you can better afford having less hp?

[real kernel]

That might be part of it.

[coarse moss]

piercing wave does does 30 damage, hoarding slash does the same at 600 gold

[real kernel]

Arthur delivers high enough damage that few things can even land a hit before their Armor is shattered.

[sonic mural]

no i mean the slow attack speed means you dont heal very much at all

[real kernel]

It is +2 health per enemy harmed by an Attack

Consider the area of effect on Arthur's slashes

[frail schooner]

hoarding slash is also worse on arthur

[real kernel]

I heal way more than +2 with each attack

[frail schooner]

than on other swords

[sonic mural]

a combo takes like 5 seconds though

[real kernel]

You have to be good at positioning to weave around attacks, yeah

[frail schooner]

it just adds fixed damage that can't be buffed in any way so it's more effective on a faster sword

[real kernel]

I'm not saying Aspect of Arthur (I'm giving up on spoiler-tags now) is overpowered

[sonic mural]

and then ur kinda screwed for hades

or bosses

[woven glacier]

Urge to kill or battle rage

[frail schooner]

yes arthur is very good without FO or DC

[frail schooner]

what asapect and what build

[woven glacier]

Talos

[real kernel]

Hades is a difficult fight, but I usually avoid dying until then due to Cursed Slash. And the Evergreen Acorn can be helpful.

Does anyone else find the first phase of Hades massively harder than the second?

[sonic mural]

once you get up in heat tho cursed slash becomes way worse on arthur

[frail schooner]

for talos you probably want urge to kill

[sonic mural]

since you cant tank hits any more

[frail schooner]

since it attacks pretty fast

[woven glacier]

Ight I think it's better for bosses anyway

[real kernel]

In the second phase, I can focus on dodging Hades. In the first phase, I have to dodge Hades and whatever enemies he can summon.

Which, in the latest run, was three Elite Strongbows

[sonic mural]

ig cursed slash kinda "works" on arthur low heat since everything does but at high heat id imagine it would screw you over

[real kernel]

I have no illusions about my skill level right now: I still feel proud that I never die before Elysium

I'm not entirely past worrying about the Heroes, though

And definitely not past worrying about Hades.

[vagrant dagger]

Do Aether Net and Proud Bearing (start encounters with X% God Gauge) stack?

[woven glacier]

Got talos long knuckle or rolling knuckle

[sonic mural]

Since u pull everyone in already id say rolling

[woven glacier]

Ok good cuz I all ready took that

Lol

Let's got just to 2 DF BACK

[novel dome]

Does Deadly Strike stacks with Zagreus Bow aspect?

Like 15 + 15 ?

[sonic mural]

yah all crit is additive

[woven glacier]

What combo should I be spamming with shield

[main osprey]

for shield: bull rush --> special -> dash cancel -> bull rush

[tawny mica]

wait there's a set pattern to use?

[main osprey]

for Zag & Chaos aspect

that's my personal combo, at least

[tawny mica]

for me it depends on the boon and hammer i use

like if i have posidon for example or wide area upgrades it becomes HULK TIME

because HULK SMASH!

[woven glacier]

Am I the only one who don't think he's that good

[main osprey]

poseidon?

[tawny mica]

who the Hulk or the shield?

[woven glacier]

Poseidon

[tawny mica]

or him?

i thought the same first but he's actually REALLY useful

[balmy portal]

poseidon is like so many things. Conditional on what you're doing.

[turbid needle]

I only really like him on cast and dash

[woven glacier]

Yeah and most time want thana on dash

[balmy portal]

he's a ton of fun on special with shotgun rockets

the knockback sends things screaming away

[woven glacier]

Will I be able to have more than one keepsake on at once

[balmy portal]

no

[woven glacier]

Pain

[main osprey]

but you can swap them out

[woven glacier]

Ik

[tawny mica]

well with posiedon his speciality is knock back really

and combining knockback in ways to deal out more damage quickly in a short amount of time if i'm not mistaken?

personally he really shines if you can get rupture imo

[tame bison]

How do ppl build and use Talos? This seems...odd.

[sonic mural]

i think hybrid cast-attack

[woven glacier]

I just got done with a talos run so much fun

I had arti and afro

[turbid needle]

harness the element of yoink

[woven glacier]

It's a dash attack special thing for mr

E

Me

[tame bison]

Man I yoinked earlier. Now tired.

Do I want this epic aphro dash on Talos...

Probably not bc of aphro special

If I get that anyways

[woven glacier]

Zag shield dashing wallop explosive return or Minotaur rush

[turbid needle]

dashing wallop and explosive return are both great

nice pfp btw

[woven glacier]

Thanks like yours to lol

[tame bison]

So why is Talos not just a worse version of Demeter?

[turbid needle]

u got the power of yoink

[tame bison]

can I interrupt enemy attacks with the pull?

[turbid needle]

I believe so

[opal lodge]

depends on armor

[tame bison]

If Unarmored then I can?

[summer storm]

whats the best strat for meg/any of the furies

and im not talking about like builds and stuff

because i can blow through the hydra with EASE compared to how much meg beats me up

[turbid needle]

hit and run

[summer storm]

fair

i think my biggest flaw with meg is how fast she transitions betweens patterns

dash, missiles, and then repeat all in such a blur

[turbid needle]

how far are u into mirror upgrades

[tame bison]

U can punch the missiles which is fun lol

Or strike whatever

[summer storm]

i have all of the basic upgrades (the ones you dont have to use cthonic keys on) maxed except for death defiance

death defiance i have on 2

[turbid needle]

do you have the second dash

[summer storm]

yeah

[turbid needle]

ic

cause that's huge for meg

[summer storm]

true

[turbid needle]

Athena helps a lot too

[summer storm]

oh yeah definitely

i found ease in runs where i got the deflected dash from athena

because that basically makes your dash invulnerable

[turbid needle]

kinda

dash already has generous iframes, Athena dash makes you invulnerable for the full thing even if you dash attack

bc dash attacking ends your invincibility

[summer storm]

yeah

i usually get caught off guard from meg's dash

because she mixes it in with the missiles and the close-combat spin (idk how to name that move of hers)

im decently new to the game anyways. farthest ive gotten is just past the bull in elysium and i havent completed any escapes completely yet

ill probably look up more strats online, thanks for the help tho

[turbid needle]

np

fighting furies will be second nature eventually

[summer storm]

yeah

i have titans blood on all the weapons except gauntlet and spear, and i still have yet to unlock the last weapon

its just that the furies knock my health down so easily and basically dooms my run

[tame bison]

Try to imagine you can only hit them from the back.

Especially Meg/tis.

It helps

Bc then you never in front of them for their dash

Just pretend that they’re literally immune to frontal damage

[summer storm]

yeah ig that helps

i usually base my builds around backstab damage anyways since i played bastion and transistor so much, so i should probably take that strat to heart lmfao

[woven glacier]

I got the sisters down kinda fast

[true sphinx]

What spear should I use? I can’t beat Hades with the spear, I’ve done it with every other weapon so I’m trying to get the reward for doing it with all of them

[tame bison]

Achilles is pretty straightforward. Toss spear, get it back, use a bunch of Casts, repeat

Doom on special and like Zeus cast works

Wondering about Rare Artemis Dash vs Epic Pressure Points for nemesis sword here. Currently only have epic Doom strike

It’s probably supposed to be dash

[warped hound]

Tried out Achilles Scintillating Feast build

Such a massive meme. Shreds Hades nontheless.

[sonic mural]

zeus cast for regular rooms, artemis attack with serrated edge or flurry jab for bosses

[woven glacier]

Take back what I said earlier shield slaps

[pseudo stream]

Achilles Scintillating Feast was one of the most hilariously one sided runs I've ever done, though it was 0 heat to finish the bounties after I'd done 20 with every weapon... I ended up with 7 casts and epic flurry cast and it was just obscene

"visual diarrhea" is a relevant complaint in this game, but that was dialed up to 11 and it did so much damage that it didn't matter

[true sphinx]

I disliked shield until I got the charged shot hammer for it making it ranged, felt soo good

[pseudo stream]

oh I always loved shield, the dash attack is great :p

[iron dew]

What boons should i aim for with demeter fists?

[humble lintel]

if I die with lucky tooth and decide to change to a new keepsake is that a good decision?

since I already used it for its purpose

[past raven]

Yes

There’s no point in keeping it

[humble lintel]

thanks!

[true sphinx]

@iron dew demeter fists?

[iron dew]

Aspect of Demeter

[sonic mural]

zeus attack, artemis special

or ares attack, athena dash, ME

[pseudo stream]

note that for ME you've gotta take athena special, and ideally before dash so you can qualify for ME more easily

but Demeter fists can pretty much play anything in my experience, Zeus special and anything (other than Call) of Dionysis probably aren't worth it though

[modern lichen]

@iron dew Aspect of Demeter is compatible with dionysus boons because of the stacking

Also Ares boons work well with it but you need dire misfortune?? or whichever boon stacks the doom effect

[tame bison]

How does explosive fire work with Hestia?

Does it do stupid dmg in a small aoe?

[iron dew]

Chaos boons that increase attack increase dash strike too?

[tame bison]

Yes

[modern lichen]

They pretty much increase base stats

But no special abilities

Also if ur lucky it grants death defiance which is cool

[woven glacier]

If I have full DF and get deathless stand will I get a DF

[sonic mural]

no

[woven glacier]

Thank you

[modern lichen]

Nope

Some athena boons just replenish

[mild raft]

If I already have 4 gods' boons and I put on a keepsake of a god I don't have already, will they still spawn a boon next chance?

[turbid needle]

yeah

[mild raft]

Cool

[woven glacier]

Nice

[novel dome]

I'm using Zeus attack boon on Rail, wondering which other god would combo nice with it

Any suggestion?

[tame bison]

More Zeus

[keen mesa]

WHATEVER, I didn't even want the stupid 50 bonus health, I'll take the onion

how did I fail that 😭

I even have divine dash... sigh

[woven glacier]

Holy the rail gun is bad

[tame bison]

Nope

[soft citrus]

everyone has a different playstyle and mine is ranged weapons are hard because i hate standing still more than anything in the world

my dash is abused

[modern lichen]

zeus attack boon is already great for the rail

Use electric shot with it

It's essentially another ranged attack you can use

[tame bison]

Yeah you just want as much Zeus as possible bc his legendary and all the T2 boon are busted once you have Zeus strike.

And some random special is fine. %dmg or whatever

[modern lichen]

Rail special doesn't matter very much

[tame bison]

Yeah not if you aren’t building around it

[novel dome]

Got it, thx guys

[crimson mango]

I started loving Railgun after the no reload and auto track boon

[magic glen]

Ok so. If im using bow and Chiron aspect. If my special has doom, is that 4 doom procs or how does that work?

[dim herald]

I kinda wish instead of Deadalus we had Hephaestus boons

[sonic mural]

Just one

Without stacking boon

[dim herald]

I love what the hammer buffs do to weapons but it's just so hard to build around it

It'd be nice if there were more control

[crimson mango]

Are Eternal Spear aspects good

[proven osprey]

Yes

But the weapon is not easy

[nova shale]

Is it just me, or is excalibur+aphrodite aspect really good?

It's basically the tankiest build you can run, and it dishes out insane damage

[true sphinx]

Yeah it’s amazing with Artemis duo boon

[balmy portal]

I rather like athena attacks too, though

they're slow but cover so much ground you just reflect everything

[crimson mango]

Hm, I thought Eternal Spear was pretty easy to use because of its range and boons

[tame bison]

I’ve been having fun lately playing Revenge Arthur. If you can get Zeus/aphro/ares/Athena revenges and the duo it’s super funny

[proven osprey]

I think I'm biased by high heat

[crimson mango]

I dont really use spin attack per se so the aspects are kinda useless for me