Besides AP and RI I assume lol
#h1-builds-and-combat
hearty elbow
empty veldt
LAVA HS!! AAAAAAAAAAAA LAVA HS
analog sail
3 seconds of lava deals 30 damage, have fun
olive badge
not to mention I play on keyboard so sometimes I fall on lava trying to reach the next map
and lose 20 health
never again
analog sail
You're just not mashing next room hard enough
hearty elbow
I live in perpetual fear of intentionally losing an SD I don't have
I've done it with DD before lol
empty veldt
i mean, satyr traps one shotting you is pretty salty too
like thats on you for making that mistake
but
still
salt
olive badge
or the tiny vermin dodging your summon
olive badge
idk about that one chief
analog sail
You haven't experienced salt until HS redacted pots kill your run by dealing 150 damage to you
empty veldt
oh i have
but i'm more careful there than in satyr so less salt
still salt
just less
hearty elbow
The salt only comes in when the lasers clip an urn next to you behind the pillar
analog sail
Nah fam I had Divine dash and that barely clipped the pot near me while I was running from a spin
empty veldt
tbf i did take HS on my 32 heat clear
olive badge
the laser hitbox is super weird
like
I stand behind the pillar
and there's an urn behind the pillar
the laser misses me
but pop the urn
and it got me like
to change the subject does anyone actually use lightning rod
or I am missing out
because I think it's actually garbage
crude salmon
You haven't experienced salt until HS redacted pots kill your run by dealing 150 damage to you
tbh I’ll take the 150 damage over literally losing my run cause the auto aim thinks hitting pots is more important than hitting redacted who is at like 5% hp
empty veldt
I dont do cast builds often, but when i do i dont use lightning rod
crude salmon
I can’t go back to Infernal Soul and not feel terrible, which means I can’t get Lightning Rod in the first place
empty veldt
I dont use regen cast on Hera or Poseidon
hearty elbow
Lightning Rod was buffed massively
olive badge
cuz last time I don't see anyone using it
empty veldt
i think more people are using regen cast now right?
hearty elbow
No, Stygian Soul is poop
olive badge
I know it was buffed but the fact that I can't precisely place my dropped cast
turbid needle
regen cast is okay
crude salmon
Regular cast is garbo
olive badge
like oh I have to place my cast here to deal lightning damage
but that zone is off limit now
crude salmon
I like being able to cast more than once per boss fight thank you
olive badge
I don't do cast build unless I use poseidon anyway
crude salmon
3 seconds is less than “after that enemy dies”
turbid needle
you can spend more than 3 seconds looking for a lost cast
olive badge
so yeah, I don't get that alot
crude salmon
After ages
turbid needle
a lost cast is a rage inducer bro
empty veldt
speaking of ice wine
turbid needle
dionysus makes cast OP AF
crude salmon
plus if you get bonus bloodstones, Stygian Soul regens them all at once, not one at a time
turbid needle
^
olive badge
no no don't correct it Doc, it's the correct spelling
hearty elbow
Is that new?
empty veldt
i would love some ice wine right now
runic osprey
I've been loving how great pom blossom is when you're trying to focus on just straight up damage
turbid needle
regen cast plus chaos bonus stone
turbid needle
2 permanent regen stones
olive badge
the only problem with regen stone is that I can't stack burst
like when I run up to melee range and dump 3 cast
so snow burst etc melts em
crude salmon
I had a Stygian Soul + Epic Artemis Cast + Artemis Poseidon Duo + Epic Hermes Cast CD + two Chaos bloodstone run it was some of the most fun I’ve had
turbid needle
^
olive badge
man the worst part about basic cast is when the stone doesn't pop out when the boss is in invul phase
crude salmon
Yeah Stygian limits you for regular enemy killing but I find it so much better for bosses, and that’s what matters imo
olive badge
looking at you, Hydra
turbid needle
ditto
runic osprey
I feel like stygian soul is the much better option when you're focused less on using your cast as a form of damage
and more just getting boiling blood up for enemies that need it
crude salmon
I think it’s better for damage, just not burst; since it doesnt require Aspect of Poseidon or that one Hermes upgrade to be used repeatedly
Infernal is good for nuking yellows I guess?
olive badge
though I still run ice wine with default cast
cuz 3 burst of ice wine and it's one hydra phase
it's so good
hearty elbow
Infernal is better for Lightning Rod, Ravenous Will, and burst
stoic thicket
I have run Stygian almost the entire time and lately swapped to Infernal because of Ravenous Will alone. Kept getting offered that boon and it had a tendency to do absolutely nothing.
crude salmon
Which one is Ravenous Will again
stoic thicket
Lightning Rod got buffed and now kinda does something. I'd still rather take other boons from the two but it's a fine passive damage increase.
10% DR and 10-30% increased damage when you have no cast stones, it's from Demeter.
olive badge
I take that for 4th shield always
cuz it's free 10% damage increase
and free mitigation
you can just load and never use them
it also count as having 0 casts
stoic thicket
It's a good boon, Demeter is good to begin with and it's a prereq for her legendary I think.
crude salmon
I will never touch 4th shield again, I got it to the surface for the prophecy and it was probably the least fun I’ve had playing this game
olive badge
if you use special build then it might be even more fun
stoic thicket
Beowulf with a special build is kinda nice. That think chonks heavily.
crude salmon
I had a special build
olive badge
also the empowering flight makes the flight speed much fastr
crude salmon
well not a great one, but I had the dash throw damage boost and some other stuff
olive badge
also seeing it bounce and kill T&A in less than 30s was really fun
round start
call Meg
charge up and throw
the chariot instantly went down
also I am mad this one isn't called :pogshade:
empty veldt
wait you can call meg against T&A?
crude salmon
There’s not many restrictions on ||companion calling||, even the redacted ones are removed later
you just can’t ||call meg against her sisters|| or other weird things like that
olive badge
you can call her against anything but last boss and her sisters
only companion that works against last boss is Skelly and Sisy
empty veldt
Oh kek i'm dumb T&A is Theseus and Asterius
untold vortex
@crude salmon please spoiler tag ||companions being able to be used against Hades||
empty veldt
I thought T&A is Tisiphone and Alecto
olive badge
oh LMFAO
untold vortex
ty ^_^
olive badge
honestly worst part about T&A is the beyblade
if you're asking me whether I am referring to Tisy and Alector or the other duo
crude salmon
Does ||Sigil of the Dead|| allow you to get boons that modify your call charge rate?
olive badge
the answer is "Yes"
crude salmon
Opinions on the Zoom Plume Lambent Plume? 
obtuse patio
Is Hoarding Slash applied before or after your attack boon's dmg multiplier?
empty veldt
after
crude salmon
welp
I was not typing the correct answer
I thought +x damage stuff was applied before +x% damage just as a general rule
empty veldt
Haelion said it was after
Or maybe he was talking about you geth the damage buffs meaningful towards the end of the run after everything else
i could be confused
crude salmon
it would be an outlier compared to other effects that increase damage by a flat amount, but it does say “bonus damage” so idk
it likely applies after, as now that I think about it; that would be mad op if it got % bonuses
What’s a good weapon/build for EM3? I need to complete that prophecy.
lone lava
Plume is a fun way to make you go quick I think
Smashed my pb with zag fists and plume yesterday
empty veldt
Depends on your preference
key is not to be greedy with your attacks
cause beyblade asterius punishes ur positioning
empty veldt
what is your preference?
crude salmon
I’ll try Chiron bow then, makes positioning easy
empty veldt
bow's my main
crude salmon
what is your preference?
||Excalibur|| lol
empty veldt
Chiron i would say just be careful with your special animation cause it does take time
not too long but could be left exposed
i've done ||arthur em3|| i would say just dont be greedy with your swings. Assuming you're not taking Tight Deadline, you can take your time to line up your swings
crude salmon
👀
empty veldt
and sometimes, you can trade some hits if you're in your special area
but not too much
Assuming Hard Labor isnt too high
Also, the special makes Theseus a joke
crude salmon
hmm, are bosses affected by slows?
crude salmon
chill included?
empty veldt
yup
crude salmon
ah, didn’t know that
empty veldt
||hallowed ground is one of excalibur's best benefits||, coupled that with Aphrodite weak and its a significant damage mitigation
crude salmon
Yeah I’m slowly getting used to using ||hallowed ground|| properly; the first few runs I did with it I kept hurting myself cause the ||slowed projectiles|| threw off my positioning
empty veldt
My personal issue is
Oh this is good, but I like aphro on it better AHAHAHA
thats my problem tho
if you have athena dash, just dash into the slowed projectiles for easy deflect
but again, dont let it throw you off your positioning lol
crude salmon
My personal issue is
Oh this is good, but I like aphro on it better AHAHAHA
This lol
For the goddess of love; aphrodite gives some hefty damage ups
empty veldt
and with dash
oh this is good, but divine dash exists...
crude salmon
I think my favorite way I’ve killed redacted was with 6 dashes and a heroic dionysus dash
uhh, there was a sword or something there too but I don’t remember, only speed
Actually I think that was an ||Arthur|| run now that I think about it lol
gleaming current
Oh this is good, but athena's aid exists
ft. literally any other call 
Casts are probably the only T1 that don't have one-two bright favorites
unkempt zephyr
Curse of Drowning dont work with Sea storm its a BUG or all fine? becaus seem Sea storm dont break mechanic of Curse of Drowning and just adds must add ligthning procs for every wave,like for poseidon dash. But its dont work.
limber pine
why should Sea Storm work with Curse of Drowning? It doesn't push your enemies away
unkempt zephyr
Becaus its poseidon cast with Duo (Curse of Drowning)
limber pine
it changes your cast to not push away. Sea storm only works with boons that pushes your enemies away
unkempt zephyr
Then reasonable question. Why Razor Shoals work with Curse of Drowning ?
i just cant understand. becaus Razor Shoals for Boons with know back effect.Sea storm for boons with know back effect. And Razor Shoals work,but Sea storm dont.
limber pine
are you just using it against bosses?
kindred schooner
does calisthenics program (+ health for all foes) apply to bosses
or just normal encounters
unkempt zephyr
oh sorry. it was my poseidon dash . yup. Curse of Drowning dont have know- back effect. even little. And this is probably a trash duo. There is no interaction with any talents at all, and it is even impossible to increase the damage of the Poseidon cast with the help of Poseidon itself.(damage aganist boss,bebuff from Razor Shoals). But all of this work perfect in poseidon dash with almost same mechanics....
limber pine
wasn't CoD nerfed because it was broken?
unkempt zephyr
he plays only with himself (CoD). Any other cast benefits from their own god or duo. But this one is just lonely.
and i dont know why this...no interactions to this cast..only poms... and im so sad about this now. so good idea for Duo. But unfinished imo.
decreasind base damage and add just working interaction will be alot better.Even only from poseidon to Razor Shoals debuff. and animation feels too much. dont see any thing if used 3 cast.
limber pine
unkempt zephyr
#hades-feedback
@limber pine its closed to me. and i dont know what mean "Check pins here for permission to post feedback! "
limber pine
read the pinned messages
unkempt zephyr
What is pinned message?
limber pine
look for the pin icon or google
empty veldt
📌
reef galleon
Feedback is closed for everyone now
Amir said he'll open it back up in a couple of hours
unkempt zephyr
im in rigth chanel rigth now)
"This channel is not for discussion. Please discuss feedback in #h1-builds-and-combat." from pinned message.
reef galleon
Yakumomo just suggested posting your thoughts about Cod as feedback I guess.
forest iris
Question
cunning urchin
Answer.
forest iris
Epic Greater Haste, or Epic Greatest Reflex
cunning urchin
Reflex.
fair plinth
hnnnngh 5 more bloods till maxing out demeter fists
can't wait to blow stuff up with Metsu Shoryuken
final karma
Hey can anyone explain how the boon rush delivery works? I got an epic version, so 75% but does that mean if say, I have 50% extra move speed does that mean I deal 37.5% extra total damage?
rancid ember
i think so?
next moss
yes i think so too
final karma
I also noticed on a prior run that when i have higher speed and use a stab from stygian blade, it knocks the enemy back way farther. Is that intentional?
final karma
Eh whatever, I still have a lot of fun with the dash and move fast, combined with an epic extra dashes
fair plinth
does the athena trap damage reduction work on lava too?
fair plinth
aight, as pleb as that sounds, it makes heightened security easier then
sometimes ranged mobs float on lava patches and I gotta get close
final karma
does the poseidon boon typhoons fury (more dmg when slam into barriers) work with walls or the edge of the map?
crude salmon
This is what casts are for
does the poseidon boon typhoons fury (more dmg when slam into barriers) work with walls or the edge of the map?
It’s just any wall-slam damage afaik
green marsh
What aspects are worth upgrading for the exagryph??
crude salmon
All four are really good in their own ways
Eris and Hestia kind of need to be fully upgraded to be good though, ||Lucifer|| doesn’t really
Zagreus needs to be upgraded but it’s a Zag aspect so it’s cheap af
final karma
The legendary can be quite difficult to use imho because of how much it changes the feel.
green marsh
Ooh ok. How do I unlock the hidden aspects
final karma
check the pinned messages
crude salmon
there’s a pin in one of the channels
green marsh
I've completed multiple runs but they don't seem to be unlocking
Ok which channel do you know?
crude salmon
green marsh
Ty
solid cairn
thoughts on haelian's sword guide
fair plinth
hmm, does jury summons heat sort off offsets convenience fee? Since mobs drop a bit of gold on death
solid cairn
I mostly agree, except for the fact that I think artemis attack is better on arthur than aphro attack
fair plinth
40% additional mobs = 40% more mob gold-drop no?
untold vortex
I think they're both good, aphro does more consistant damage whereas artemis you're hoping for the high roll
solid cairn
aphro also gets weak
and stacking that on top of the damage aura
you will be taking very little damage
I realized how much better of a job they did with hammer synergy on guan yu than arthur
final karma
I really enjoy aphro on shield
true ravine
Morning, room. Wanted to get your take on a build I tried recently. Exagryph w/ rocket shot + cluster bomb, Tempest Flourish + Wave Pounding + Razor Shoals. Hit enemies with an initial Trippy Shot and then let loose.
Room clears are pretty vicious, but boss fights aren't as fast as I'd like.
limber pine
depending on 2 hammers for a build is pretty rough unless you reroll for rooms, better to invest Zeus Attack and maybe try for Sea Storm
crude salmon
I mostly agree, except for the fact that I think artemis attack is better on arthur than aphro attack
@solid cairn hitting a third hit Crit with ||Excalibur|| is one of the best feelings in the game
crude salmon
I just do it anyway; especially cause I’m talking in multiple channels so I don’t want to not spoiler something in the wrong channel
Just being safe
solid cairn
oh
cunning urchin
sometimes ranged mobs float on lava patches and I gotta get close
You'll want to get far away, actually. They'll come back on land then.
unkempt pagoda
just eat the damage 
fair plinth
@cunning urchin mind answering my other question O wise and beneficent one?
does jury summons heat sort off offsets convenience fee? Since mobs drop a bit of gold on death and 40% additional mobs = 40% more mob gold-drop no?
only issue is can I clear them fast enough to run it with tight deadline...
proven osprey
Guys I'm cursed
fair plinth
sacrifice a goat to remove curse
proven osprey
I'm trying to go Chiron demeter build. Never get to pick that sweet artic blast
cunning urchin
In my experience, not even close.
Although.
Well, I don't do Convenience Fee.
I only do CF2 or no CF. So maybe it does with CF1.
fair plinth
I mean, obviously it's not gonna be 1 for 1 since you have other income that aren't affected, room rewards/troves/urns etc
cunning urchin
Ew Side Hustle.
fair plinth
but mob clear gold is probably a good 20% of your income I estimate?
cunning urchin
No idea.
fair plinth
well i'll test it out once I get demeter fists maxed out
would be fun going into a flame wheel room and seeing a sea of flame wheels
true glen
ok so
hexagryph + hazard bomb + artemis special damage + or whatever
plus chaos boon plus mirror for increased damage on hit
it is mad amounts of damage
without undamaged proc 1440 damage on a crit
easiest theasterius clear of my life, might actually beat the run on this save for the first time
onyx folio
yeah its disgusting
proven osprey
I just unlocked Stygius 4th aspect, but god it is slow. Are you supposed to use the basic combo ?
onyx folio
i had the same setup doing 2500 crit due to crit damage boons and chaos
worn citrus
What's a good build to aim for with hidden spear aspect?
fair plinth
reading the wiki for exagryph, Seeking Fire upgrade says "incompatitable with Ricochet Fire"
...what is ricochet fire?
worn citrus
Another upgrade, I believe
fair plinth
old removed upgrade?
lyric bloom
There is a ricochet upgrade I got it a few runs ago I swear
Might have been renamed or something
onyx folio
level 5 heroic deadly flourish gives 137% damage crits + 40% special chaos boon + 22% rare clean kill + 40% privilege + 50% boiling blood = dead final boss B)
dont think i picked up urge to kill that run sadly
foggy wagon
I think the Riccochet upgrade makes shots bounce to one other target
Also, theory
The numbers on Hammer upgrades are green
Money is on Hephaestus being a god at some point giving extra benefits to hamers
onyx folio
...f
hearty elbow
thoughts on haelian's sword guide
@solid cairn I intend to watch it later today, though I typically always approach Haelian videos with a grain of salt. He's an incredible player, but he preaches what he practices, which isn't necessarily the "best" practice (if best would be to go by what people have found the most success at at the highest heats. It's not a terrible metric but it's one of the few we have).
E.g. I took issue with him spreading Twin Shot as the best option for Rama in Blood Price. If you've used it, it was soooooo sllllooowww. It was basically effectively shorter range than Explosive Shot, with virtually no AoE as a result.
limber pine
I took twin shot and explosive shot with rama, it was pretty wonky
hearty elbow
Explosive + Triple worked okay, but wow Explosive + Twin was pretty much a literal point blank explosion
unkempt pagoda
the real play is anvil-ing into explosive + twin + point-blank
hearty elbow
Anvil is risky business on Rama lol. Someone still needs to confirm if they've seen Charged Volley in 1.0, I'm about 15 runs in and I have not seen it yet, which bodes well, but in Blood Price there were 3 trap anvils, Sniper, Repulse, and Charged Volley
next moss
i've only anviled once
once i successfully threw my run i understood what it does
there's VERY few situations where you don't have a % of throwing by anviling
hearty elbow
It saved a run I had yesterday, trying to remember the aspect and hammers.
stoic thicket
Charged Volley at least doesn't brick the build completely.
hearty elbow
Lol, in Blood Price the best Rama builds were special based
unkempt pagoda
i won a run yesterday with a thunder rama build lol
foggy wagon
True mastery is anviling every time and winning anyways
limber pine
can you even get charged volley on Rama?
hearty elbow
Oh, right, it was Hades aspect, I had random garbage hammers and Anvil'd into Serrated Point and something that mattered less.
Oh, nvm, it didn't save me that run, I am garbage and forgot that I do not have the capacity to do FO2 EM4 yet
void fjord
hearty elbow
You can still??? Super bummer
limber pine
ah, weird. I need it for the prophecy but it has never appeared
hearty elbow
I guess my hammers have run hot on Switch lol
Oh right, I forgot I could check the prophecy list
Lemme charge for 2 seconds real fast an unleash my 3 15 damage bolts of FURY
hearty elbow
Rama is, yes, but there a million good hammers so it's kind of moot
worn citrus
Yeah, I was playing with Guan Yu
hearty elbow
Oof, yeah GY is pretty heavily reliant
worn citrus
And before getting quick spin it felt very weak
I've heard Lucifer is, too
Only one I haven't gotten tho
hearty elbow
Lucifer's issue is that it isn't Eris, and can't shoot down projectiles
worn citrus
I like Hestia tho
hearty elbow
So it's worse offensively and defensively
worn citrus
Big Number good
foggy wagon
Beowulf is fine with bad hammers, but only feels good with extra dash speed
worn citrus
I agree on Beowolf
foggy wagon
Agreed for stuff like Guan Yu though
worn citrus
I'm on the fence about Arthur, But I think I just haven't gotten used to its slower attack speed
foggy wagon
You can't heal without hammers lol
hearty elbow
At high heat you really want Greater Consecration but it's not really necessary until then
foggy wagon
I wish there was a Daedelus keepsake
hearty elbow
I'd say it's perfectly functional without hammers
foggy wagon
Just give me more damn hammers sooner
worn citrus
I wish we got to meet Daedalus tho
hearty elbow
I wish there was a Daedelus keepsake
@foggy wagon We've had this discussion a lot here over time. SGG doesn't want hammers in Tartarus to be like.. .standard, but at high heat who cares anyway, you can just kill yourself 20 times to get what you want. It would be nice for there to be a keepsake to allow people to play "suboptimally" to decrease the grind.
foggy wagon
Future DLC? 👀
worn citrus
Don't think Supergiant are big on DLC tho
foggy wagon
Also hammers in Tartarus are pretty much standard
I have had two runs out of 50 where I haven't gotten a hammer in Tartarus
And it always pops up immediately in Asphodel anyways
proven osprey
I want to try Zeus Aspect, any suggestion on boons ?
hearty elbow
Zeus special is effective and low maintenance
proven osprey
Yeah I guess so
foggy wagon
Yeah you only need to really unlock it because the base damage is so low
Doesn't need a lot of blood
Slap some Dio, Demeter or Ares on it, anything that stacks
Athena can be fun too
hearty elbow
Athena + Curse of Agony is not damage optimal but you do get a spinny ring of invincibility
foggy wagon
Yeah but the special really wanders
It's kinda inconsistent
You have to micromanage it
Sometimes it decides to stick to one specific enemy like a magnet
Sometimes it sits in the corner of the room somewhere
forever
foggy wagon
Nope lol, think of it more like an instant spear spin
You bull rush in, hit special, either hang out inside of it for stunlock safety or go wail on something else while it slowly eats an enemy or two
barren bridge
hey guys I'm really bad with the bow, any tips? which aspect is the best?
foggy wagon
I personally prefer the Zeus aspect's gameplay over Chaos, I do believe it's less "competitive" or whatever though
@barren bridge IMHO Zag aspect is best if you haven't unlocked Rama
foggy wagon
People seem to like Chiron but I think it's meh personally
Beo is just a better Chiron
hazy slate
how so?
proven osprey
Yeah I don't care about being competitive, only got one run on shield so far
unkempt pagoda
use dash strikes all the time
twin shot is almost always great, chain + triple is great crowd control, explosive is big damage
hearty elbow
I personally prefer the Zeus aspect's gameplay over Chaos, I do believe it's less "competitive" or whatever though
@foggy wagon Zeus was already "potentially" better than Chaos in Blood Price. It may just be straight up better now.
unkempt pagoda
sniper, point-blank, and perfect are secondary hammers
random light
Big Number good
@worn citruspreach it
foggy wagon
how tf do you make the sniper upgrade good
unkempt pagoda
don't take it
foggy wagon
The region for it seems so small
unkempt pagoda
exactly, it's not good
hearty elbow
hey guys I'm really bad with the bow, any tips? which aspect is the best?
@barren bridge No clear best aspect. The world is your bow-ster
foggy wagon
Okay cool that's what I thought
I took it and was like "Wow, I gave up explosive shot for this?"
onyx parcel
Chaos so boring i regret spending blood on chaos
stiff flume
has anyone made a list with good builds? i'm looking for new things to play but im terrible at coming up with stuff. looking for the internet you just get random posts or the most basic starter builds
unkempt pagoda
practically free double damage? yes please
fair plinth
I consider it S+ where S stands for Shadow Realm
onyx parcel
Beowulf?
foggy wagon
Beo is definitely the most interesting shield aspect but also harder to use
And trickier
You have to be good at facing into attacks to deflect them, or get that fast charge hammer upgrade
It's fun though
I think Beo is the most fun, on par with Zeus
Chaos and Zag are boring
onyx parcel
What’s the combo with beo
unkempt pagoda
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hearty elbow
twin shot is S+?
@fair plinth Yes
onyx parcel
Just bull rush?
random light
Beowulf seems like it would be super fun for a cast build, kinda like Hera
unkempt pagoda
if you can dodge with a melee weapon, you can dodge with twin shot
hearty elbow
Flurry also becomes S+ if you have Twin, but It's probably A by itself
unkempt pagoda
know when to dash and you have free double damage
foggy wagon
Beo is pretty much exclusively a cast build weapon as far as I can tell
I've heard about special build but it seems kinda lame
onyx parcel
Oh god I hate cast build
onyx parcel
Gg bad investment 3 blood gone
foggy wagon
Cleared with Zeus but it didn't feel great
Oh I love cast build
It's so much frigging fun
Poseidon and Beo are some of my favorite aspects
hazy slate
I used Aphrodite cast with beo and I got Demeter on attack for priveleged status
random light
My dream for a cast run is Poseidon Sword, get Artemis legendary, Poseidon/Artemis Mirage Shot, and Poseidon/Demeter Duo Cast
foggy wagon
Ooh, haven't tried aphrodite cast... Hmmmmmm
random light
if I could do it with Stygian Soul and the Hermes upgrade where you get a 0 sec CD on cast I swear
actually the best cast run ever
unkempt pagoda
not true shot + exit wounds? sad
random light
I usually go True Shot + Exit Wounds
unkempt pagoda
jk, blizzard shot is one of the best casts in the game
unkempt pagoda
not sure, i don't think so
foggy wagon
I wish there was a keepsake that would let me summon a specific boon once per run
unkempt pagoda
it's better if it doesn't anyways
foggy wagon
I would take exit wounds one every non-beo cast build
foggy wagon
that... looks like a bug?
unkempt zephyr
shine means more rare chance.But red... idk
unkempt pagoda
looks like lighting
foggy wagon
^
unkempt pagoda
do you want a full list of changes
unkempt pagoda
it's pretty hard
limber pine
yeah it's bad
red hound
alright
guess I'm staying at em2
I can barely scrape past em3 with fo2
literal run ender
unkempt zephyr
to not spoil i can say || EM 4 Hades suprise you alote ||
slender scarab
is there a good strategy for the 4th Biome?
limber pine
it's never the first room
unkempt pagoda
learn the timings for satyrs, memorize cure fountain locations
limber pine
so take a hard room as your first room if you want so you can heal later
unkempt pagoda
the sack is randomly within 2-5 tunnels
random light
The fastest I’ve ever gotten it is the second room
Is it straight up coded to not allow you to get out in the first shot?
Like you legit can’t find the sack after one set of tunnels
limber pine
yea
hearty elbow
Someone else can confirm but I think someone said from the source it looks like it's a 50/50 check at each room selected to see if it's the Sack (starting at the 2nd room)
unkempt pagoda
i heard someone say that the sack starts showing up after a minimum amount of rooms, and the first tunnel can never reach the minimum number of rooms
hearty elbow
Which should result in 50% 2-sack, 25% 3-sack, 12.5% 4-sack, 12.5% 5-sack? In my experience 5 sack is very rare so idk
stiff flume
do boons carry on into different regions if i dont switch them? like i i start the run with zeus boon and then go into the second region, do i meet zeus first again as well?
or is it a one time thing
hearty elbow
one time thing
stiff flume
tyty
hearty elbow
Also iirc if you do not consume the charge into another biome it goes away
half crater
one time thing
hearty elbow
But I haven't tried that since I started playing I don't remember
half crater
that'd actually be hard to do lol
hearty elbow
Surprisingly easy in Asphodel
unkempt pagoda
asphodel is so short lol
imo elysium should've given one of its chambers to aspho
half crater
actually now i think about it i might have done that by accident in asphodel before...
i dunno i kinda like the pacing of the shorter zone before elysium
unkempt pagoda
rn it feels like aspho is too short and elysium stays its welcome too long
i can hop into a chaos gate in the first chamber, pick up a 4 encounter curse, and still have the curse on me by the time i get to hydra
(which i've done before)
hearty elbow
Yeah that scenario is pretty common lol
Chaos, Eurydice, and mid shop is usually enough to do it
unkempt pagoda
add in a fountain for good measure
turbid needle
There have been suggestions to move one Chamber from Elysium to Asphodel.
half crater
that seems like it would just make the game easier lol
unkempt pagoda
it really needs it imo
ig less so now that td is easier
but i found it was a real problem during pre-1.0 td
turbid needle
It would make the game easier, but the difficulty spike from Elysium from Asphodel is bad enough that I would really appreciate the extra chamber.
half crater
that spike is by intent
turbid needle
Alternately, increase the length of Asphodel by one chamber, which I would prefer from a TD standpoint.
half crater
tho i can understand not liking it i guess
turbid needle
The spike is, but it's really severe right now.
unkempt pagoda
with the td changes, elysium is okay in length now, but aspho still feels very short
stone river
Is it just me or is it easier to beat hades when you’re not even trying? Like I’m just trying to complete tasks on the fates list and I’m beating it without tryharding until hades LOL
hazy slate
You have less stress and are more relaxed when you aren’t tryharding
stone river
Yea but like I’m going absolutely stupid builds lol and it’s funny to me I just get the final boss and I’m like “huh wonder if I should try hard” then beat him lmao
I just remember beating him the first time was so much more hellish
turbid needle
one of the things I appreciate about hades is you can still outplay a bad build
well, on low heat at least
stone river
^
I had one death defy and beat him with the bow (I’m absolutely garbage and hate the bow) spammed q until he died had random Zeus boons and Artemis I think
drifting vale
calm oyster
what exact do the hermes buffs mean
like swift flourish
when it says "faster" does that mean the casting time is less? or the cooldown in between specials?
stiff flume
good question for the casts 🤔 casting time is my guess
onyx parcel
I don’t really like Beowulf
It’s a pretty slow weapon
I have to wait for the stones to drop
And by that time I take a lot of damage
drifting vale
Animation is sped up so you swing faster or shoot faster
onyx parcel
when it says "faster" does that mean the casting time is less? or the cooldown in between specials?
@calm oyster animation I think
drifting vale
Just said that but okay
calm oyster
ah. figured i better not take it for eris rail since i want time to run into the circle
took dodge chance i think
onyx parcel
Hey dunno if I should put this here or in the tech channel but, if you combine the ice wine duo boon with the scintillating feast duo, your festive fog visual disappears but still activates the lighting bolts from the Feast duo
@lucid shore #hades-feedback
lucid shore
Word thanks
hollow minnow
Anyone else find "grinding" (for lack of a better term because that one has a negative rep I think) for Diamonds super hard?!!? I just had 1k coins in Elysium and then I died!!!! I want to get Vanquisher's Keep and all those updates but getting even a SINGLE diamond is so hard, much less 3 or 4!!! I definitely don't remember it being this hard in Early Access 😮 😮 😮
dark quail
What are good boons for aspect of arthur?
hollow minnow
I haven't tried that Aspect yet so I wouldn't know. 😦 sorry....
solid cairn
uhhh
hazy slate
I like Artemis aspect on attack and getting the hammer that boosts backstab damage
solid cairn
artemis or aphro attack
it's a pretty simple build
I intend to watch it later today, though I typically always approach Haelian videos with a grain of salt. He's an incredible player, but he preaches what he practices, which isn't necessarily the "best" practice (if best would be to go by what people have found the most success at at the highest heats. It's not a terrible metric but it's one of the few we have).
yeah I do know people similar to that in other communities, people take their advice way too literally
drifting vale
Athena attack is also really good on arthus
final karma
Does the bows ||aspect of chiron|| special arrows each count for artemis' shoot an arrow on special?
solid cairn
support fire?
final karma
Yeah
solid cairn
yes
hearty elbow
The caveat to that post is that at the level of player that Haelian is making the videos for, any direction is good direction and he's pretty good about reinforcing that people should try stuff.
final karma
Great, I figured so because how each arrow has it's own chance to crit or not
hearty elbow
I thought Support Fire had the same ICD as Lightning
solid cairn
cooldown?
final karma
ICD?
empty veldt
Internal Cooldown
solid cairn
internal cooldown
proven osprey
well I think there is a cooldown
solid cairn
if there is a cooldown it can't be more than like a couple frames
empty veldt
Yes they both have internal cooldowns, not every arrow on ||aspect of chiron|| will trigger zeus/support fire since its too fast
proven osprey
well when I tried it Chiron was not maxed out so
proven osprey
well if you fire 12 arrows in .5 second yeah
empty veldt
Cause zeus icd is fine with gun even when gun shoots fast
solid cairn
I guess that's why you don't really see it on rail since it fires consistently faster but not as high burst speed
hearty elbow
I always aim for Support Fire on Rail
solid cairn
well of course
empty veldt
i do as well
hearty elbow
Mostly because of the buff to Lightning Rod lol
final karma
ok that ||mini boss battle of witches in asphodel|| SUCKS FOR BOW
empty veldt
Laughs in divine dash
solid cairn
or athena call
solid cairn
true.
hearty elbow
ok that ||mini boss battle of witches in asphodel|| SUCKS FOR BOW
@final karma If you use special right after attacking it should destroy all the projectiles (the indestrubticle projectiles are very easy to dodge)
solid cairn
another annoying miniboss in general is the teleporting one
you like barely have time to hit it
velvet basalt
i hate that guy so much
hearty elbow
Megagorgon or the Soul Catcher?
velvet basalt
always the first to break my Pierced Butterfly streak
solid cairn
i dont remember the name
hearty elbow
Oh, Wretched Sneak I think
velvet basalt
Yeah that's the guy
hearty elbow
The boss has so little health but yeah it can def be annoying
Goes by in an instant when you learn the pattern though
stoic thicket
The Sneak has lately lost a lot of it's initial terror for me. It's still hectic but totally manageable.
Dodge like hell, when he tries to backstab go all out.
hearty elbow
He's got a clean rhythm though, you can definitely dodge diagonally towards him on reaction (as to not get hit by the balls) when you get used to it
stoic thicket
I usually try not to get hit and get my revenge in when he holds still for a moment.
It's usually the fastest of the minibosses in Tartarus.
solid cairn
I have to say even though I don't enjoy beowulf or hera bow much, poseidon is pretty fun
hearty elbow
Remember to lodge a cast in him ASAP for boiling blood. No statuses stick to him but the bloodstone will
icy parrot
Yes hello Guan Yu sucks and I'm salty about it still time to go die again because it's the only thing left in my prophecy list
Send help
solid cairn
I have yet to use achilles spear with casts though
stoic thicket
Is GY maxed?
solid cairn
Yes hello Guan Yu sucks and I'm salty about it still time to go die again because it's the only thing left in my prophecy list
this angers me
stoic thicket
If not you're probably gonna have a bad time.
Otherwise build around the special, if you get offered the Charged Skewer hammer absolutely take that one.
hearty elbow
Actually, at 0 heat, I recommend going Divine Strike + Quick or Massive Spin
Pretty much nothing bad can happen to you inside the ring
stoic thicket
I vaguely remember some patches ago the disc not deflecting.
hearty elbow
Yeah lol
stoic thicket
That they actively changed that.
hearty elbow
Good times
icy parrot
I don't agree with the concept of a weapon only being good if you get a random hammer but I guess I did forget that the disc could deflect
stoic thicket
Is it still that way? Ran GY exactly once since 1.0 hit and don't know if the deflect does anything anymore.
solid cairn
when guan yu first came out the penalty was actually worse
hearty elbow
The special is by itself good enough for most runs. It just gets way better with Charged Skewer
At 32- I typically start with Divine Strike no matter what and play it by ear for what hammer I get
glass rapids
Quick spin makes GY so good
solid cairn
yes
icy parrot
I just don't understand the design philosophy of this weapon. Every other aspect I'm like "Ah, yeah, I can see the strong points and applications of these mechanics"
solid cairn
serrated point is great too
icy parrot
But with GY nothing seems better or even equal to any other aspect
solid cairn
wut
stoic thicket
GY has a built-in heal and a built-in Explosive Launcher.
hearty elbow
GY has some of the most obnoxious range and effective safety mechanics in the game
glass rapids
A built in free healing at all times...
stoic thicket
It is the ONLY weapon that has a built in heal, full stop.
hearty elbow
I'd argue the Deflect ring is better overall than the healing but yeah
icy parrot
Bah, healing for one point a tick with a requirement to stop and hold? I'll die to a butterfly ball before that matters. If it would tick FASTER I'd understand but the spin ticks are slow too
hearty elbow
Yeah, the heal is pretty garbage imo
But GY is very good at not getting hit in the first place
glass rapids
Heal is good with any spin upgrade
solid cairn
it is the "just dont get hit" weapon
icy parrot
The special doesn't have the range of Zag aspect, and doesn't double hit either so the damage is at best equivalent. I just don't see why anyone would take this over Zag aspect for a don't get hit run
hearty elbow
And in exchange you get the best projectile in the game and an invincibility ring on demand
solid cairn
what
glass rapids
It's a base exploding launcher lol
solid cairn
does zag have a ring that destroys projectiles you can just throw out
stoic thicket
You are aware that the special is a lot wider than it looks, and it hits everything along the path, right?
hearty elbow
I was talking about GY lol
stoic thicket
And you don't have to call it back?
glass rapids
Calling the special back is why I hate base spear special
icy parrot
Any spear aspect hits everything in its path
hearty elbow
Yeah it's Exploding Launcher with 5 less base damage but pierces, and is much wider
solid cairn
and you usually take exploding launcher on zag anyway
what if they just move out of the way
icy parrot
On an attack that staggers?
solid cairn
armor
stoic thicket
All I'm saying is that that thing is way better than you think. WAY better. There's a good reason it still has a massive health penalty.
icy parrot
Then you know they're moving out of the way and can plan accordingly
stoic thicket
Bit of an acquired taste, sure. But GY is exceedingly powerful.
solid cairn
it is great. One of my favorite aspects
stoic thicket
I personally prefer Hades aspect when it comes to the spear but I totally get why GY is good at what it does.
solid cairn
zag spear is incredibly boring
stoic thicket
In particular since the reflect appears to work again.
icy parrot
Well I don't get it. Maybe ai just need to see the numbers for it so I can see what actuallly I can do with it aside flailing
foggy wagon
Zag anything is often boring lol
The aspects are meant to mix stuff up
My favorite zag is definitely the fists
solid cairn
I have like never used hades aspect
foggy wagon
Because being able to negate like 50+% damage is so much fun
stoic thicket
Check some streamer VoDs for GY runs, Sonny.
foggy wagon
Actually yeah, I've only ever used base spear and GY
The other two aspects didn't really call to me
hearty elbow
It's such a bummer when Zag spear just misses. I think they made it wider in 1.0
foggy wagon
I mean Poseidon is the cast build weapon, along with Beo
solid cairn
hera bow
stoic thicket
Achilles has a boatload more damage than Poseidon, just not passive.
solid cairn
I also like it way more than both og those
foggy wagon
I... Never really got the benefit of the Hera bow
Like, Poseidon and Beo have huge damage buffs
hearty elbow
The benefit is that it is still a bad Zag bow as a base
foggy wagon
And Poseidon can retrieve casts anyways
hearty elbow
A bad Zag bow is wayyyy better than a bad Zag sword
solid cairn
hera does it all at once
hearty elbow
Eh, base shield kinda lame
icy parrot
Check some streamer VoDs for GY runs, Sonny.
@stoic thicket
A'ight I'll take a look
hazy slate
The base damage that you get from upgrading base shield is nice
hearty elbow
For base weapons, I think it's probably something like Fist, Rail, Bow, Sword, Spear, Shield
Not including the Zag aspects, literally just the weapons themselves
Because Zag shield is great
foggy wagon
Base shield's special sucks but shield itself is just one full yeet
IDK if it's like good for speedrunning and stuff, it just is so easy to clear with shield and it feels great no matter how you build it
stoic thicket
Zag shield maxed out chunks like hell.
novel pulsar
What's a good build for rail?
foggy wagon
I'll have to try zag shield
hearty elbow
Lightning Strike gang
hazy slate
Zeus attack noon
stoic thicket
That base damage increase is glorious.
foggy wagon
@novel pulsar just zeus
hazy slate
Boon
foggy wagon
No there are actually a lot of ways to build rail but
everyone uses zeus
because it is the one that makes rail not feel like garbo
novel pulsar
Do you guys find yourselves relying on special when using lucifer aspect?
hearty elbow
It's both the safest and the highest ceiling for Eris and Lucifer
Hestia and Zag can use normal crit build stuff with Artemis/Aphro (Zag needs Spread Shot though)
stoic thicket
With the rail there's generally no harm in just throwing out the special a couple times while reloading.
icy parrot
And support fire means MORE DAKKA
stoic thicket
Lucifer's special detonation does some nice damage in a large area, if you can slap any % boon on that it's gonna do just fine being thrown into the fray. You don't need to build around it.
rotund hedge
Do you guys have any thresholds of performance for the pierced butterfly?
like maybe you have a bad day and are getting sloppy and get to elysium with only 12%. Do you swap it out?
plucky surge
Hm I just unlocked luci Rail. Is it just focus zues for it or are there other boons that work well with it? It seemed like demeter on attack seemed like it could be solid
icy parrot
I'll say, Lucifer special + triple bomb aspect + Zeus is hilarious. The things basically blow themselves up at the slightest touch
foggy wagon
I... Honestly just don't take pierced butterfly at this point.
rotund hedge
It's called having a bad day
foggy wagon
It's not really worth it IMHO
rotund hedge
Not because you regularly get beat up
robust anchor
i just wanna use the god keepsakes to get the right build
foggy wagon
I'd rather have chaos boons or extra damage reduction or god keepsakes
foggy wagon
I mean do what you do but I only ever noticed my DPS going up after not using butterfly b/c I always got my build right
b/c god keepsakes
plucky surge
I like using a god keepsake to start a run then swapping to the pom blossom.
foggy wagon
also that one
hearty elbow
Also keep in mind that it's additive, so unless you're getting that number to chunky levels, it's not really worth the extra damage or defense you could be getting from god keepsakes or Acorn
foggy wagon
I personally like bracer a lot
hearty elbow
Myrmidon Bracer is very funny on Excalibur
foggy wagon
I like being able to get super up-close and personal with stuff like fists and just facetank. It's not optimal but it's fun.
rotund hedge
You're right
asphodel is a real pita because you just randomly stand on lava for a second and boom
done
foggy wagon
exactly yeah
That's why I gave up with butterfly
I don't take a lot of damage, but I do take damage in almost every chamber
thorn jolt
lava is only a problem with heightened security tho
it's like 1-3 ticks before you know you should skedaddle
foggy wagon
1 tick from lava, 6 damage from an errant hit, 4 from a butterfly ball
thorn jolt
how are there butterfly balls in asphodel
foggy wagon
no i mean just in general
hearty elbow
Erebus possibly?
foggy wagon
I hate asphodel the most with butterfly
and just hate asphodel
in general
but I just don't like pierced butterfly
rotund hedge
The discussion was more about than's keepsake being worth or not
fiery ginkgo
the witch room in asphodel is my least favorite room in the whole game
thorn jolt
ah you mean the butterfly keepsake
rotund hedge
oh god that one
rotund hedge
you either get deflecting hands and its ez
foggy wagon
I'll take a room full of butterfly balls or flamewheels over the witches
rotund hedge
or you just die lol
thorn jolt
errant damage is a problem, but hardly something you can't control
most weapons have long range safe moves to abuse tbh
foggy wagon
I'll even take the assassin room in Tartarus over the witch room
fiery ginkgo
certain builds it just feels impossible when they're all hanging out on the lava and you don't have a good ranged damage option
foggy wagon
Oh I agree @thorn jolt it's just not how I enjoy playing
It kinda ruins the fun for me when I have to play super safe and be paranoid about taking damage
thorn jolt
I feel like I like the unpredictability and the nature of the game forcing you to adapt
foggy wagon
And I feel like my damage output is way lower when I'm playing safe like that
thorn jolt
you can't just build only for the boss, you gotta mix in some room clear, some sustain, etc. etc.
foggy wagon
As opposed to going ham with something that is less safe, but which is okay to not be safe with because I have more DR in my build
fiery ginkgo
yeah i like how my strat becomes apparent based on what i've found by like early / mid asphodel
rotund hedge
could someone remind me what the pom blossom is?
fiery ginkgo
and even still i can find something that totally switches up my style
rotund hedge
I have all the keepsakes except one
rotund hedge
oh F
foggy wagon
damn spoilers
hearty elbow
A lot of this should be spoilered
foggy wagon
this server is so weird
fiery ginkgo
i figured just explaining what it mechanically does is not spoilery
but if it is i can spoiler it
hearty elbow
Shrug, I don't personally care but yeah the rules are the rules.
||Also from the perspective of people playing from open beta, it wasn't always clear if you would ever meet Mom or whatever, so even the keepsake's existence is a spoiler||
foggy wagon
I started playing at 1.0, how new is ||Persephone?||
fiery ginkgo
1.0 new
foggy wagon
o h
limber pine
like, EA ending was just ||you died||
fiery ginkgo
yeah, you probably get the best experience
rotund hedge
You ||Slipped on a banana peel. Is there no escape?||
fiery ginkgo
lol i remember that
hearty elbow
Lol, coming from my 350 hour PC save, people are all of a sudden acknowledging that I've ||beat Dad and escaped||.
Thanks.
fiery ginkgo
the olympians saying ||seems like you keep getting stuck right near the surface|| is pretty neat and ominous
hearty elbow
I still don't know how the story ends. And I'm pretty grateful the spoiler police here have let me keep that a surprise
fiery ginkgo
psh, as if this game could ever really end
hearty elbow
I got partially spoiled from watching Haelian last week, I think I ended up watching the run right after the ||ending ending||
foggy wagon
Well there's also an ||ending ending ending|| isn't there?
I've got to ||the ending ending but not the ending ending ending||
hearty elbow
Is there no ||ending?||
foggy wagon
I think that's just kicking ||hades'|| ass
fiery ginkgo
what do you consider an ||ending||?
hearty elbow
Lol we're going to get mod police up in this piece real fast. Quick, someone ask what's viable at 11 heat.
fiery ginkgo
poseidon is an odd god mechanically
fossil moat
curious bit of tech discovered during a run. If using Arthur aspect, the Holy Consecration will depress trap plates, making them unable to activate
hearty elbow
Nice. Nothing to see here.
@fossil moat rule of thumb, only stuff after 1.0 needs to be spoiler tagged.
fossil moat
oh cool
hearty elbow
Yeah, Excalibur special stops all traps from activating, and severely slows down trap projectiles too
I don't know what happens if you break a Dad urn under the aura though
foggy wagon
I'm really hoping to try a Poseidon shield god build sometime soon here with the extra body/wall knock damage
hearty elbow
It's kinda hard to test, since an Urn would have to form over the aura
foggy wagon
I feel like that would slay with, say, Beo
hearty elbow
It's easy if you have Greater Consecration though, since the hitbox is way smaller than the aura
bold salmon
Man i got the shotgun for rail and that range is super short
kind cloud
Man i got the shotgun for rail and that range is super short
@bold salmon
Spread fire?
Try for merciful end.
fossil moat
you can demolish enemies with crit shotgun
maybe build defensive with athena dash tho
hearty elbow
Yeah you're basically Malphon at that point lol
fiery ginkgo
what hammer upgrade did you think would be underwhelming but turned out to be nuts?
hearty elbow
Explosive Shot on Rama
fiery ginkgo
explosive shot is insane
fossil moat
shadow slash Arthur
hearty elbow
It was... noticably worse in Blood Price, but still great.
Cursed Slash on Excalibur, assuming HL0
fossil moat
ooooh, kinetic launcher on demeter
fiery ginkgo
what does kinetic launcher do again?
hearty elbow
On every other aspect, nothing. On Demeter, it's 5 projectiles
fossil moat
it makes special into a projectile
kind cloud
Explosive Shot on Rama
@hearty elbow
interesting. i'll need to attempt this. does it also work on dash-attack?
hearty elbow
Yeah
kind cloud
32 heat bow run here i come?!?!?!
/lol, probably not
hearty elbow
Remember to not go for power shots lmao. Charge only as long as is safe
My Rama 49 used Explosive
fossil moat
can you rapid shot with rama?
hearty elbow
No (Flurry Shot)
kind cloud
On every other aspect, nothing. On Demeter, it's 5 projectiles
@hearty elbow
Interesting. Here's another one i haven't attempted. M0@R builds! M0@R runs!
hearty elbow
It's the one I tried first and I fell in love. To be fair, Exploding Upper is definitely better but it's not nearly as sweet
bold salmon
I cant tell if the fist just suck or if i just dont get how to use them
had the same issue when they first released.
I just died on first boss with 3 heat...
bold salmon
Talos
foggy wagon
Oh is that the magnetic cutter one? Never cared for it
Zag aspect is so much better on that weapon IMHO
robust anchor
try ares attack and athena special and dash and go for ath ares duo
this build works for any fist besides hidden.
bold salmon
I guess that would work. Main issue is not getting hit due to how small the range is
dim dragon
i dont know if that's the correct channel for this question, but does maxing out a bond with a character give any bonuses beside kawai icon on a keepsake?
fossil moat
@hearty elbow less damage under dad traps for arthur special
hearty elbow
Interesting
hexed dust
I swear the poseidon's call and his call boon is pretty OP 
worn citrus
2 dashes or +50% damage and dodge on near miss?
hexed dust
you just slam it into people
robust anchor
bash your face into em
hexed dust
because he has this one boon that increases its duration by 1.6 sec it basically last forever while doing 500 dmg per hits
and you are impervious for the entire duration
hexed dust
yee basically it can kill both theseus and bull if they are next to each other and near wall cuz you just keep touching them nonstop
it's so good 
foggy wagon
Oh that explains why I don't care about them lol
hearty elbow
Yeah, Lightning and Support Fire is soooo good with calls
foggy wagon
I usually use high-burst builds
hexed dust
yee but still the uptime is pretty high with the extra call boon 
prisma turret
What am I looking to use for the boxing gloves. I can't seem to figure them out.
idle violet
Just found a weird interaction between an Aphrodite boon and the third boss. Since spoilers seem to be allowed here I'll just post it?
stray frigate
ask already
random light
What am I looking to use for the boxing gloves. I can't seem to figure them out.
@prisma turret I assume you mean Malphon, since that's the only real punchy weapon.
I recommend Demeter Fists with Zeus attack, Artemis Special
stray frigate
or dio attack
idle violet
I charmed Asterius using Aphrodite's "chance to charm when weak triggers" boon, and Asterius charged Theseus and spammed Thunder Strike (the aoe attack)
stray frigate
with arti Q and duo
prisma turret
I was using aspect of Talos but I'll try that. Talos doesn't affect bosses so its kind of useless
random light
Demeter is very fun, but it takes a little blood to get going
from level 3 onwards it's a monster
cunning urchin
The debuff from Talos works on bosses.
idle violet
It seemed weird but amusing? Probably unintended. Just wanted to mention it
prisma turret
Yea but not the magnet effect
random light
I charmed Asterius using Aphrodite's "chance to charm when weak triggers" boon, and Asterius charged Theseus and spammed Thunder Strike (the aoe attack)
@idle violet I've had that happen too, where Asterius attacks Theseus while charmed, it's pretty funny
idle violet
@random light I couldn't tell if he was actually doing any damage though? I think thunder strike is programmed to trigger whenever Theseus blocks Asterius's charge, even when they're supposedly enemies
Doesn't matter too much, is just funny
tidal edge
bruh I got so ridiculously lucky on my second time using beowulf
heroic aphro cast with mirage shot and 6 bloodstones
each phase of redacted died in like 3 hits lol
queen latch
nice
tidal edge
no regrets sinking all my remaining blood into this weapon 
fossil moat
My gods, the stunlock that you are in for ||Gilgamesh|| attack is insane. I can defo see the ||risk reward combat that people were talking about||
hearty elbow
At the moment it feels like just risk
fierce thicket
yea, maim is not worth
daring cargo
I gotta figure what to invest my bloods in next. I’ve got the combo gloves and the tracking special bow. I think someone said hades spear is probably good next?
hearty elbow
Do you have one of each weapon?
It's not nearly as necessary as it once was but it's nice to be able to hop between Dark Thirst weapons for bounties
hearty elbow
Yeah, maxed out.
daring cargo
But I do not have one of each maxed. I have one gloves and one bow.
I’m going to do the blast damage rail I think when I get to that, maybe hades spear, chaos shield, and not sure which sword. Oh wait I have max sword. Zags sword. For the prophecy
hearty elbow
If you unlocked Nemesis it's already better than Zag sword level 5 lol
hearty elbow
Yeah
daring cargo
Unless I could have done ANY sword which I’ll be sad about.
uneven gale
So I feel like most of the awakened forms arent as good as the regulars?
hearty elbow
You mean hidden?
uneven gale
Ye
worn citrus
Arthur does big number
uneven gale
Like i think guan yu is good at max level and Arthur and Lucifer are good
worn citrus
I hear it's pretty reliant on getting the right hammer tho
uneven gale
And fists
worn citrus
Guan Yu also hammer reliant
hearty elbow
Excalibur, Guan Yu, Beowulf, Rama are all fantastic. Fist4 and Lucifer are... less fantastic
hollow minnow
I charmed Asterius using Aphrodite's "chance to charm when weak triggers" boon, and Asterius charged Theseus and spammed Thunder Strike (the aoe attack)
@idle violet you can do that?!!?!? I thought that didn't work against Bosses! Whoa!
worn citrus
I still prefer zeus though, I think
uneven gale
I dont like shield
hearty elbow
That's your right :3
uneven gale
Shield I died with 80% god mode. :(
worn citrus
Shield's block let's you get away with a lot of stuff tho
daring cargo
What’s the strat on Beowulf. I used longer shot and just went for nukes
Err
Trippy shot
hearty elbow
You can build special with Charged Flight, or hybrid
Cast builds are fairly self explanatory
idle violet
@hollow minnow some bosses only stand still for a bit while charmed, and it doesn't last very long. But it seems to work on Asterius
hollow minnow
Demeter is very fun, but it takes a little blood to get going
@random light I got HOOKED on that Aspect since someone mentioned it here a few weeks before the final version of Hades released. Wish I remembered their name so I could thank them...That Aspect is AWESOME!!!
daring cargo
Is that the combo fist?