But, killing freeze is excellent vs bosses and rooms with dwindling enemies. Everything has to be chilled for killing freeze to take effect
#h1-builds-and-combat
neon bramble
icy parrot
Which is why chaos shield seems like a good option, it bounces absolutely everywhere
neon bramble
That's a better way of putting it, yes @dry ember
turbid heart
wouldn't Zues rare or better attack boon be a higher damage increase then Doom on fists or rail cause its a base damage increase instead of a %?
turbid heart
ahhh
dry ember
and I do believe it is outdamaged by Lightning Strike fists
neon bramble
Zeus attack is actually quite weak. It's strength is crowd control
But on fists, it is good
turbid heart
gets better with double strike
dry ember
well I got to Hades on 42 heat with no additional attack bonus except for one epic lightning strike
double strike does not affect lightning strike sadly
neon bramble
Hey, I love Zeus builds
turbid heart
really? that sucks
dry ember
yeah
neon bramble
They are strong when you go full Zeus
dry ember
Splitting Bolt does though
turbid heart
it affects special boon right?
neon bramble
Splitting bolt on lightning strike is insane
dry ember
Imagine 15 base fists damage + 15 lightning strike + a whooping 40 for Splitting bolt
neon bramble
Melts everything
icy parrot
Faster hitting weapons with zeus are so fun. Chiron Aspect with Zeus on special is incredible too
dry ember
except getting Splitting Bolt you need storm lightning
which is a erm underwhelming boon
Faster hitting weapons with zeus are so fun. Chiron Aspect with Zeus on special is incredible too
it's good but not as good as you might think. Lightning Flourish has an internal cooldown
turbid heart
i am using Zues special boon on Rama aspect and with double strike its pretty bomb since i hate how slow Rama's charge up is
neon bramble
5 per 1s max
dry ember
don't get me wrong
turbid heart
i understand they wanted to make a heavy hitting bow aspect but that charge is horrendous.
dry ember
take that and explosive shot
turbid heart
exposive never came up
unkempt pagoda
the current charge is actually faster than what it was a few patches ago 
turbid heart
I would rather just use Hera and blow up stuff. Just taking rama to surface for proph
icy parrot
What else is good on Chiron? Dyonisus seems like the obvious pick. Do I get one hangover stack per arrow or is that also some sort of internal cooldown?
turbid heart
sad they didn't just give Fists a final aspect before final release but gonna be hard to beat Demeter aspect
neon bramble
One per arrow
dry ember
Tempest Flourish can be fun
icy parrot
Sun Wukong aspect let's go man
unkempt pagoda
i did a really good arctic blast build on chiron a while ago
combined with concentrated volley
dry ember
that too yeah
icy parrot
Is Chill also one stack per arrow? Now that's also fun
So one special will always proc the blast
neon bramble
Yes
unkempt pagoda
ye
dry ember
yeah that stacks properly
icy parrot
Okay that's preeetty nice
dry ember
serrated point artic blast hunter dash hades spear is also really good
it melts everything
icy parrot
I really wanan try hades spear, haven't unlocked it yet though. Quick question
unkempt pagoda
so sad that arctic blast can't be pommed
icy parrot
When you do the spin attack by dashing, does that count as a dash attack? Because I JUST found out like yesterday that charging a bow shot and letting it go with a dash makes it count as a dash attack and that was an actual game changer
So if it's the same with the spear I'm definitely gonna start rethinking some possibilities
unkempt pagoda
nope, just a neat tech
icy parrot
Awwwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
unkempt pagoda
since you're
attack -> dash
unkempt pagoda
instead of dash -> attack
dry ember
I ran a decent amount of hunter dash hades spear and I did not see a large damage difference
icy parrot
Sure wish we could test boons on Skelly
dry ember
although I also did not intentionally look for it
turbid heart
why doesn't art dash boon give crit chance? why doesn't Demeter cast inflict chill? odd things
icy parrot
That's a good question, like every other artemis boon gives critical EXCEPT hunter's dash which is just a flat damage increase
Like mind you it's a HUGE increase
But still
stoic thicket
Because it's the only dash that improves your dash-attack. All the other dashes have some flat damage associated with it.
turbid heart
just kinda drops out of theme
stoic thicket
Also Demeter cast doesn't chill on it's own, but when you pick up Glacial Glare it does.
turbid heart
but its a trash cast and u would need to pick up a second boon to make it do what her others skills do
unkempt pagoda
i like hunter dash, it's unique and helps out a certain type of build
icy parrot
I dunno man, if you can focus it it does some pretty choice damage
I made a demeter cast build for giggles and it melted the final boss
turbid heart
they can just move out of the way, outside of tart enemies move too much
stoic thicket
Crystal Beam without support boons is complete garbage. Crystal Beam with the support boons is straight murder.
icy parrot
Guess I must've just gotten lucky then
But what a lucky stroke it was
I didn't get the one that made them actually move fast so I just sorta made sure to aim them carefully on drop
unkempt pagoda
"is garbage but can be murder" can describe a lot of things in this game tbh
stoic thicket
True that, although I still think that Crystal Beam is one of the more extreme cases on the "zero to hero" scale.
unkempt pagoda
fair
unkempt pagoda
the secret tech is that blitz disc can be returned really fast, so use explosive return
icy parrot
That's not specific of it though, is it? You can use that with any shield
unkempt pagoda
any other shield requires you to sit through the throwing
you can spam special on zeus and return it really fast
icy parrot
....Eeee I understand and accept but something still feels off about it to me, but I kinda wanna try that now. Exploding my way out of the underworld sounds fun
main osprey
So spam Special on Blitz to spam Explosive Return?
unkempt pagoda
yes
cunning urchin
No, no more questions! Draw your weapon, blackguard! Asterius and I shall vanquish you!
cunning urchin
You can find the different speedrun categories and records here. https://www.speedrun.com/hades
cunning urchin
That's just in the current version. There were faster runs in earlier versions.
void fjord
oh mah god
unkempt pagoda
the 4 minute nighty night run 
void fjord
you guys have any idea how?
like whaat build
obvi its a high dmg build
he can really only stay in each chamber for like 10 to 20s top
unkempt pagoda
there should be a video attached to each entry
untold vortex
spread fire zag rail
dry ember
you can google for Hades speed run
the fastest one have seen is sub 5 minute in Nighty Night build
also speedrunners manipulate RNG
cunning urchin
Why google? They're all in the link I shared lol.
untold vortex
the nighty night update is one of the misc categories
dry ember
i see thanks
untold vortex
no worries ^_^
modest urchin
so what do you guys do if you start a run and everything in a core slot option is normal quality? just play it out or try to pick a more useless option and hope you get offered something better soon?
modest urchin
So you pick a core boon then sell it after beating the first boss?
turbid needle
I just play it out tbh
its not gonna matter that much to me if the build works
put some poms into it
modest urchin
Do you ever exit out and tweak heat/weapon/keepsake/mirror based on opening boon choice
cunning urchin
If I'm being offered only normal core slots in Tartarus, I'll pick boons for core slots I don't really care about or that don't matter much. That way any elite chamber I come across will have a high chance of offering me rare or epic for the core boons I actually want.
But, probably pick the one I want for Attack (usually) even if it's normal.
modest urchin
Hmm, I see
cunning urchin
Do you ever exit out and tweak heat/weapon/keepsake/mirror based on opening boon choice
Nope.
dry ember
normally no, only when I want to test things and the given is convenient for that build
unkempt pagoda
only when i see an opportunity for ice wine hera
backreading the patch notes channel is a trip
Early Access Patch 007: The CHAOS Update - January 15, 2019
- Dash: now briefly stuns most unarmored foes
is this still a thing lol
cunning urchin
No.
unkempt pagoda
unfortunate
cunning urchin
I guess the damage from dash boons maybe.
unkempt pagoda
Early Access Patch 015: The MURDER DEATH KILL Update - Mar. 12, 2019
Adamant Rail: increased rate-of-fire from press-and-hold; removed faster rate-of-fire from tapping; you can reload while moving; slightly reduced projectile hitbox; Special briefly stuns you if it hits you
lol
main osprey
Woah
cunning urchin
I'm both happy for you and somehow sad they're all common lol.
willow fossil
brick by brick you build a house
cunning urchin
But you do have a rare Strike.
cunning urchin
Yes, Dash-Attacks but not Dash-Upper.
willow fossil
yeah thats special
cunning urchin
The Dash-Strike boons also affect Dash-Upper.
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
It's the only one I know of.
void fjord
bro the WR speedrunner tore through all the bosses like paper
i think also for the sword too you can dash special
cunning urchin
Aegis has a pseudo Dash-Special.
void fjord
i dont hink it counts cause ur throwing it
cunning urchin
With one of the hammer upgrades.
Probably doesn't count, hence pseudo.
The one for Stygius is also different because you need to press Special then Dash.
void fjord
yea
guess fists are the only one with it
hey what build do u guys suggest for a lucy run?
willow fossil
whats a lucy run
unkempt pagoda
zeus attack, bonus points for support fire
void fjord
actual can u guys suggest an rama build
unkempt pagoda
demeter attack + arctic blast
void fjord
need to prophecy
unkempt pagoda
zeus special spam
void fjord
for rama?
void fjord
nice
unkempt pagoda
mega chonk hits
unkempt pagoda
relentless works with rama i believe
unkempt pagoda
could also arctic blast spam on special, or dio special spam as well
mild briar
Hm i have enough titans blood to either upgrade the hidden Spear aspect or the hidden Rail aspect to max (only have both at 1)
Are there any builds you guys could recommend on those? Im leaning towards the spear a bit rn, but with its slow attack pattern i dont even know what god/godess could be good with it
rare kayak
spear special is mega strong
benefits from athena attack
i believe
guan yu really benefits from max level, much more so than lcifer
void fjord
yea
my classic guan yu build is athena attack + aphro special. cast is usually demeter or ares
aid and stuff to ur choosing
stuck elbow
Lucifer is up there with Arthur for being solid with zero upgrades
void fjord
yea
stuck elbow
Like what gets buffed isn’t the focus of the weapon
void fjord
lucifer is just higher explosive dmg
guan yu is better to upgrade
cause you get much more health then
stuck elbow
Tbh it’s legit the weapon I maxed out first due to how fast you die in like Elysium otherwise
Not even at super high heat levels
Just a few odd picks
void fjord
yea
elysium is harder than all the other areas combined
i feel
when u have jury summons with flame wheels and exalted shields
you might as well cry
stuck elbow
Legit though
Like I didn’t appreciate how useful the no flame wheel item was
Until I did Jury Summons with a few other misc picks
Still hate the sounds they make
lost cairn
What's your favorite Beowulf cast? I mean flare
gleaming current
tbh they should have named them Hot Wheels
tame patrol
having a problem figuring out what sort of build to go for
void fjord
hot wheels cant beat that
tame patrol
I'm testing out different ones throughout my runs but I'm not really trying to beat the game anymore times
Just seeing damage outputs
If anyone can recommend me a high damage output build
void fjord
Beowulf has to be tripp shot
high dmg in one area
get that with the regen cast mirror of darkness and ur good
cunning urchin
Nemesis with Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Divine Dash, and all their Duo Boons. Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air for the cherry on top.
@tame patrol
That's high damage.
void fjord
nemesis is which weapon?
gleaming current
Taking fast weapon and going full on Zeus for his legendary is acceptable strategy for dps tbh
Decided to do that once and finished the game in 17 minutes with previous top run being like 26 
tame patrol
stygian
tame patrol
np, and ty @cunning urchin i'll look into it
buoyant egret
does urge to kill work on status effects
tame patrol
right now I'm gonna run some artemis boon builds
buoyant egret
i.e. hangover
cunning urchin
You can forego Divine Dash and instead get Hunter Dash.
For hammer upgrades, you want Double Edge.
gleaming current
Yeah it's definitely hunter dash for max swag
tame patrol
shadow presence or fiery presence
cunning urchin
Divine Dash will allow you to be more aggressive.
Divine Dash with Deadly Reversal and Brilliant Riposte will do a ton of damage on Deflects.
gleaming current
Fiery presence works only on first hit so probably shadow
void fjord
fiery presence if ur doing high dmg in one go i suppose
gleaming current
Tbh I can't imagine high enough damage to take fiery reliably
cunning urchin
Fiery Presence if you need that extra boost on the first hit to one-shot most things.
gleaming current
You need like, explosive shot bow for that?
And then armored dudes go brrrr
gleaming current
Kinda wish there was an actual guarantee to get more chaos boons. They are so neat
cunning urchin
Light of Ixion.
gleaming current
Well, to get that is not guaranteed either
cunning urchin
Fated Persuasion lets you reroll Wells of Charon.
But it does guarantee one if you do get it.
gleaming current
Fair ig
lost cairn
Do you think it's worth keeping on god keepsakes after their first appearance?
turbid needle
nah
lost cairn
Phalanx Flare does deflect, it's just really hard to use
lost cairn
And bosses shatter from Demeter's legendary. wow
lost cairn
If your cast hits at the same time as a hit is coming it's way, then you'll have a deflect
clear dome
so basically its stupid weak
lost cairn
But since it's an explosion, not a slow moving projectile or a spamable attack, it's rare
Yeah, not the strongest. I just tested all of them, I really like Demeter, cause it has chill effect and ok damage
Most of them deal the same damage, as a blast, no percentage increase
Ares could be really good if his rift affecting boons also buff this rift. I haven't checked that
rare kayak
phalanx cast deflects while in flight does it not
lost cairn
It does, but we were talking about the beowulf cast thingy
rare kayak
oh beowulf
ew beowulf
i believe fiery prescence does nothing if you have damage control on but i might be wrong?
lost cairn
I like it. Something's off with it though
rare kayak
i didnt exactly test it extensively
i dont really like beowulf its super awkward to use
like it feels like its meant to reward offensive momentum with explosive damage but like
lost cairn
What's strange to me is that it seems that the dash attack doesn't really connect while you're dashing
rare kayak
in the end i just use chaos shield despite how cliche it is
lost cairn
Sure, but this is something different
rare kayak
yeah i dont like that its got that 20% damage taken too
clear dome
well 10% my friend
and its worth it
besides just god mode it and you will not get that debuff
rare kayak
i mean the other thing is that it doesnt feel that different from regular shield either? compared to the other fourth aspects
clear dome
its slower, bigger area, more damage, but yea
rare kayak
they just kinda slapped on hera aspect and slowed everything down and called it a day it feels like
obviously i dont work at sgg so i cant comment but
lost cairn
No it's much different
But you have to play it on lvl 5 I think
This is my first proper run with it and got lucky with the boons though
clear dome
who would even ivest that much blood in it
lost cairn
It has a faster charge up time and a sturdy buff on casting
so basically corrects what's wrong with it
clear dome
i mean, with the area increase it will become more different than normal shield,but in the end its still hit, block, dash, hit, block dash
lost cairn
It's not like Hera, because all casts have different attacks
and name, too
Mostly a blast yes, but some are different from the cast, like Demeter, which doesn't chill by default
I just use the cast all time. Not sure if it's the optimal way to play it
rare kayak
mmm the other thing that feels odd to me is the cast usage
because you have to stay around a little longer to pick up your bloodstones post charge but you also want to run away
lost cairn
It just works 😄
rare kayak
because you just charged right into a huge group of enemies
lost cairn
I figured that you should charge for a little closer than you'd think you should
So not directly to them but to in front of them
clear dome
i always just charge and run and get bloodstones later
lost cairn
Yeah you just suck up the stones with a dash
rare kayak
yeah you can do that but then youre out of your most valuable resource
clear dome
uhhh, isnt that HP?
rare kayak
your most valuable damage resource?
i feel like if they removed the damage taken and fixed the shielding hitbox when charging up it would feel better to use?
lost cairn
The hitbox is fine
rare kayak
it kinda feels like saving up for a huge burst damage playstyle
lost cairn
That's fixed afaik
clear dome
well, they should also buff the damage of max charge tho
rare kayak
as far as i know beowulf just kinda tries to go for a more explosive tempo where you try and save up for a big blast
so having defensive debuffs just feels weird
lost cairn
That damage debuff is not warranted imo
rare kayak
yeah lol
lost cairn
You're already more open than I like, because of all moves are so slow
lost cairn
But you can play around that debuff, with hammer boons and stuff, but still
Or if you ignore the whole casting thing, the special is really strong with that hammer boon that makes it chargable
mild briar
Lightning reflexes doesnt appear to be in the zeus list. Does it help towards getting the legendary splitting bolt?
rare kayak
yeah ok i finally found what i think i mean
mild briar
(zeus list in the pins)
rare kayak
its like playing a bow run but equipped with a shield
lost cairn
Nah
it's like driving a truck full of explosives?
Lightning reflexes doesnt appear to be in the zeus list. Does it help towards getting the legendary splitting bolt?
@mild briar no
mild briar
ah so its like static discharge
lost cairn
Well it's not listed anywhere, but could be. dunno
mild briar
according to https://i.imgur.com/Bwcn8ro.png in th epins static discharge doesnt go towards legendary
lost cairn
Yup, and I did all my legendaries according to these guides. But other boons could work too?
rare kayak
if its not there probably doesnt count for it
could just be an empty boon like strong drink
or the defiance series
tame patrol
dude I just cannot play with the stygian blade omg
that weapon is so ugly to play with
like late game it just does not do it for me
cunning urchin
i feel like if they removed the damage taken and fixed the shielding hitbox when charging up it would feel better to use?
You'll have difficulty arguing for buffs after Beowulf Aspect was used to clear 50 Heat.
green plover
Heh, poop build I guess. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641671703612620843/731847614865080401/unknown.png
I didn't focus on one attacking aspect thoroughly and this time taking Chaos cost me actually.
Also, it doesn't make sense to me how Hades' ad spawn works.
cunning urchin
What doesn't make sense about it?
grizzled lintel
So you have to get high voltage to get the legendary?
cunning urchin
Storm Lightning, High Voltage, or Double Strike.
green plover
@cunning urchin sometimes he spawns something managable like say only Tartarus enemies each time and then there are times when he decides to destroy me by spawning Champion archers and Megagorgon simultaneously,
Artemis' special boon works well with the cluster bomb gun hammer.
dire wedge
inb4 EM4 Hades: summon Theseus and Asterius
cunning urchin
Yeah, there's a bit of RNG. But they're always Super Elites.
void fjord
inb4?
dire wedge
In before Hades is given the ability to summon Theseus and Asterius in a hypothetical EM4
void fjord
oh lord i hope that dosent happen
clear dome
i hope that happens
void fjord
but it would be cool maybe that all the bosses came together or smtg
like hades rides lernie
the furies are above shooting blasts of stuff
asterius and thesus are rushing you and blocking to you doing dmg to hades
lost cairn
@cunning urchin Would you post a feedback for me? 😄
cunning urchin
@lost cairn you can just post it yourself. Read the pinned messages in #hades-feedback. 
lost cairn
ah ok
cunning urchin
@hallow dawn some strategies here: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/727087947538759730
hallow dawn
lost cairn
yep
cunning urchin
@hallow dawn I wrote more here: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/729024462418346066
i-frame = invincible frame, yeah. Or invulnerable or whatever you want to call them.
formal fjord
Is there any updated tierlists for boons, aspects and the likes?
or build guides or so
cunning urchin
Nope.
turbid needle
couldn't we actually just use the wiki to insert build strats for aspects? 🤔
I think that could be great
gilded knoll
Could use steam player guides for those on Steam
cunning urchin
Wiki articles aren't supposed to subjective.
turbid needle
I mean I'd write something like
cunning urchin
I probably wouldn't agree with most of the build guides. I don't think it's a good idea. There are way too many strategies that haven't been tested, and it varies a lot by what the run offers you etc.
turbid needle
rama: the special is a multihit that bounces between enemies it doesn't do great damage but is good for spreading status or triggering multiple effects; attack is one damaging single hit ect
like general things not straight up builds
gilded knoll
Ah you said build strats, so was confused
turbid needle
I mean dunno I am a mizuumi editor and we put lots of strategy stuff on there? it always depends on the community though
thats why I'd talk to the wiki people
cunning urchin
Anyone is a wiki people.
gilded knoll
Could have a recommendations section I suppose, I've seen those before. However might need a rework of current wiki
cunning urchin
I don't think anything like that should go in there.
turbid needle
anyone is wiki people except there are always some editors that do the most work
but I get you
modest urchin
wiki makes no sense to me sometimes lol
why does it say the bow's power shot is 60 (or 40) Damage
modest urchin
what about for rama? it says https://i.imgur.com/L6dIgQs.png
turbid needle
huh
my read is that the dmg was changed and that peopel weren't sure on the values anymore
tame patrol
is it just me or does anybody else never get legendary boons? i find it so extremely hard, i only ever had it one time
and it was at the very ||last room of the game with cerberus||
cunning urchin
They're very rare, but they also require that you have certain boons.
tame patrol
I know that part but for the last like.. 7+ runs, I've been getting nothing but bad runs because of buffs, eventually I just rush into bosses and don't care about getting hit because I'm personally too weak for endgame every run I've been taking
Like, I usually get 4/5 buffs from tartarus alone
But now everytime I'm in tar, I get random rooms like, currency, dark orbs
all the misc items in the game really
I'm usually built but the first 2 regions
cunning urchin
What do you mean by endgame?
gleaming current
I presume 3rd region and ahead
(which technically is only midgame but eh)
tame patrol
The final levels and final boss
Not elysium
When I get to the satyr rooms the rats are like, super tanky
gleaming current
Huh. Oh well
neon bramble
For those who were talking about phalanx flare earlier...
There are some neat things you can do with it
Doom on attack, phalanx flare into merciful end, instant doom detonation
clear dome
oh thats clever, but.....uhhh before you get the duo tho
neon bramble
Also, phalanx flare does protect you while you stand and wait to catch your bloodstones
Its also good for applying exposed status effect to a group to enable privileged status
If you have the support boon
cunning urchin
@tame patrol I don't have legendaries on most of my runs, either, and I still beat the game just fine. They're good when you get them, but they're not necessary for a good build.
Usually the core of a build is just a strong attack, special, or cast.
- maybe a good call
Hunter Dash for some builds for the Dash-Strike damage. And otherwise, the core slots that aren't your primary source of damage are usually mainly for utility.
neon bramble
Phalanx flare is also extremely effective with Aphrodite attack, exposed status effect and parting shot for LOTS of additional damage
cunning urchin
Utility being Deflect or some status curse, or you get something in a core slot you don't need just to open a Duo Boon with another core boon you have.
E.g., if I have Heartbreak Strike on anything, I'll 99% get a core boon from Lord Zeus when I see him, just to get a chance at getting Smoldering Air from them.
neon bramble
Smoldering air + Athena Aid = win.
Especially if if also get second wind from Hermes
cunning urchin
Depending on the build etc., I might even use his keepsake to force him just for that.
neon bramble
You won't get offered smoldering air if you don't have a call though
tame patrol
Also whenever I run dio build I always get through things super easily I guess that's what I'm used to now
neon bramble
I think having a call is a requirement
tame patrol
I've been trying to play with other gods but some just feel so hard to use
cunning urchin
Ideally you get something that's both utility and opens a path to a Duo Boon you can make use of.
I think having a call is a requirement
Yeah, that's correct.
All the god pairs have Duo Boons now, but some have certain requirements like Smoldering Air needs any call, Lightning Phalanx requires specifically Phalanx Shot, etc.
cunning urchin
Knowing that, if you start with e.g., Divine Strike, and you see Lord Zeus along the way, you'll know if you pick up anything but his cast, you can later get Phalanx Shot from Lady Athena and maybe their Duo Boon that way.
neon bramble
Vengeful mood + Demeter curse and arctic blast is hilarious
cunning urchin
Although the cast from Lord Zeus can be situationally more useful than trying to go for the Duo.
So those are just things you need to experiment with.
gleaming current
It's a decent CC but those usually aren't a huge problem anyway ig
cunning urchin
I actually like Electric Shot for applying Boiling Blood in EM3.
neon bramble
Sure I guess
cunning urchin
It bounces off the walls and pillars.
gleaming current
Boiling blood is one mechanic i have no idea about how helpful it actually is to dmg output and if it's worth to spend time to cast
neon bramble
Boiling blood is amazing
neon bramble
Boiling blood + privileged status almost doubles your damage output
gleaming current
Well, when damage bonuses are additive it kinda doesn't
turbid needle
That combined is +90% base damage for your Attack and Special, yes.
neon bramble
Hence "almost"
gleaming current
What are the lategame numbers for decent builds? Like 200-300%?
cunning urchin
Speaking of, Electric Shot + Static Discharge is great for proccing both Boiling Blood and Privileged Status.
gleaming current
Is a stuck cast a curse status by itself?
neon bramble
No
turbid needle
I wasn't a fan of Electric Shot for a long time but now that it's been fixed it's actually pretty strong.
gleaming current
Was to be expected, o well
random hull
What do you mean by fixed? That it doesn't wind up in the farthest corner of the room?
turbid needle
Not as much.
And it tries to find enemies instead of cliffs after the first target, now.
cunning urchin
I'm picking up a lot more Lord Zeus boons recently and trying them out. Just because I want Smoldering Air in near every build lol.
neon bramble
Mono Zeus is crazy strong
cunning urchin
The fun thing is:
Heartbreak Strike + Lightning Flourish or vice versa works on literally every aspect lol.
neon bramble
I think the only tree that comes close to Zeus as a mono build in terms of power and utility is Demeter
gleaming current
Mono zeus is pretty much the only way to make zeus work
Which is pretty interesting
There are selfish gods that give you max potential for piling up on them and then there are jack of all trades types
cunning urchin
A Lady Artemis mono build murders everything in its path.
neon bramble
@cunning urchin yeah, aphro + Zeus is generally a good combo
Yes, Artemis is powerful but lacks a bit of utility
turbid needle
Best DPS in the game is her utility.
cunning urchin
The utility is everything dies. 
neon bramble
Fair 🤣
gleaming current
Another utility is ! marks on your damage numbers so it's even easier to see them
Especially when combined with 4digit ones
cunning urchin
Lady Artemis be like: "Yo Zag, I heard you like crits, so I put crits on your crits, so you can crit when you crit."
gleaming current
Sadly I couldn't make solo artemis just yet. In fact the only solo i got was zeus
zeus leggie before 1st boss, hoo boi
rare kayak
cant wait for the fists poseidon mono build run
i dont know what to feel about the zeus cast
cant seem to get it stuck in anything properly
random hull
Is it smarter to aim at the target, or rebound it off an obstacle into the target?
cunning urchin
I aim at Theseus at the start of the fight to lodge it into Asterius.
Otherwise, it depends. If there's no other enemy nearby, it should stay inside the enemy you throw at.
cunning urchin
Sure it does.
dry ember
sure it doesn't
cunning urchin
I was lodging it all morning in my practice saves.
dry ember
cunning urchin
dry ember
void fjord
it dosent lodge in the first enemy
it bounces off
especially if there's no wall right behind it
actually u can get the dislodge does dmg boon from arty with zeus cast
u can get that if no lodge
random hull
So that means if I chain the cast through four enemies, the first three will take the dislodge damage?
void fjord
i dont know if it works like that
cause i assume only when the enemy have the cast symbol above their HP bar is it lodged inside
unkempt pagoda
it's only lodged in the last enemy it hits
(if it doesn't also bounce out of that enemy too)
unkempt pagoda
i've only ever seen it lodge when there was only one enemy, without possible targets to bounce to
void fjord
but if your lucky i guess they never miss
unkempt pagoda
zeus cast is just wonky
spark mulch
is there any way this is correct for the Smoldering Air duo reqs?
Aphrodite: Heartbreak Flourish, Aphrodite's Aid
Zeus: Thunder Dash
unkempt pagoda
is there any way this is correct for the Smoldering Air duo reqs?
Aphrodite: Heartbreak Flourish, Aphrodite's Aid
Zeus: Thunder Dash
those are good for smouldering
really you didn't need both flourish and aid, but anything to cull the boon pull a little
unkempt pagoda
One of each:
Zeus: Electric Flare, Electric Shot, Lightning Strike, Thunder Dash, Thunder Flourish, or Zeus' Aid
Aphrodite: Aphrodite's Aid, Crush Shot, Heartbreak Flourish, Heartbreak Strike, Passion Dash, or Passion Flare
spark mulch
is it just aphrodites aid + a lightning core boon?
and an Aid right?
lol I just noticed your name
Im doing my first smoldering air build now
unkempt pagoda
huh, there's different requirements for different pages on the wiki
i got mine from zeus's page
hearty elbow
privileged status and family favorites are additive bonuses like basically everything non-base damage/crit in this game, right?
void fjord
i suggest an athena or poseidon call
unkempt pagoda
privileged status and family favorites are additive bonuses like basically everything non-base damage/crit in this game, right?
yes
void fjord
yea
spark mulch
oh damn there's a lot more on the god page
void fjord
its a percentage bonus on top of ur base attacks
spark mulch
progression charts thats wild
hearty elbow
so why do i see streamers quibble so much and spend like 270 gold on high heat runs for terrible boons for 5% additive bonus?
unkempt pagoda
for smouldering, you should just need a core boon from both zeus + aphrodite + any aid
void fjord
family favourite adds 5% to all dmg
unkempt pagoda
of course, aphro's aid is one of the best ones for smouldering anyways
void fjord
athena is good for high heat
just to get out of sticky situation real fast
@hearty elbow either they are doing it for the meme or their doing a high damage build with arthur or smtg where 5% goes a long way
hearty elbow
hmm, okay, thanks.
and just to clarify, even if it's +all damage, +20% all damage and +20% boon damage for a 100 damage base hit is still 140 damage, not 144?
unkempt pagoda
yes
hearty elbow
thanks!
unkempt pagoda
👍
native ether
I was confused when I read this the first time, and now that I'm doing another first run I'm confused again because you see fountains after the boss fights. You don't need to unlock any Fountain Chambers for that. Strong Drink would help a lot here.
(from feedback)
Doesn't this mean that Strong Drink just isn't offered in your first 2 runs?
void fjord
yea i guess
just bad rng
can someone give me a list of abbreviations for pact of punishment
its a little confusing at times
hearty elbow
is this just a git gud thing or am i stupid to be banging my head against the wall of extreme measures Theseus/Minotaur with 40% forced overtime with a slow weapon like the bow?
void fjord
it is only unlocked after unlocking the first tarturus fountain chamber
thats y
not rng sorry
@hearty elbow its both
dry ember
You must do what must be done
earnest ravine
It's a practise/improvement thing, sorry to say. Once you get used to FO in general it'll feel less weird.
hearty elbow
it's mostly his ground slam + ground slam combo that i find nearly unreactable if i'm trying to line up a charge shot. it's less obnoxious if i'm like chaos shield or whatever but i can play that in a coma
earnest ravine
Then stop trying to charge shot as often or focus on dash shots?
earnest ravine
And also what FoxHope said, you don't have to be anywhere near either of them.
hearty elbow
makes sense. i guess i'm being greedy since i took point blank shot too. i can just not use it. thanks
dry ember
Also Dask Strike, always
Yeah do point blank when you fight Theseus
Do you have Tight Deadline on?
earnest ravine
Dash Strike while running away aand you can essentially just kite them the whole time, FO or no. just gotta get the reflexes for it trained.
hearty elbow
yeah
i try to leave 9m tight deadline on at all times just so i can measure my own speed.
it does mean i cna't cheese bosses by kiting though
dry ember
Bow is a bit sensitive to damage drop especially later
You need twin or triple shot to deal with bosses
Point blank also works but as you already know, it's risky
hearty elbow
i have twin + point blank, so this run is a little blessed, i think i'm just bad.
but it does force me to play real close to Mino-san
void fjord
if you have twin shot or triple i think its better to go for explosive shot
especially if you hermes attack speed bonus
hearty elbow
i had the fight paused. not charging is helping immensely, thanks guys
i'm still going to burn my defiances from badness, but i'll finish the fight in deadline
lmao, well, it was closer than it would been at any rate. womp womp
dry ember
Ah I'm sorry
void fjord
sed
dry ember
Always next time though
hearty elbow
i hear lots of people gripe about hades with forced overtime but i have like 10x issues not burning my defiances on theseus+mino
dry ember
Yeah
That's why I have been running Acorn exclusively from Elysium onward for quite a while now.
hearty elbow
so frustrating when theseus does a fly by and burns like 4 charges though. but yeah same it's kinda necessary. i've been experimenting with broken spear though too
same kind of range if i'm playing fists or some other close range thing with acorn and hades summons goddamn soul catchers in phase 1
rage*
to track my relative progress. is athena attack on guan yu a crutch, or is it more or less necessary at high heat?
void fjord
I feel it is a necessity to avoid taking dmg as much as possible. Especially with low health
hearty elbow
that's currently how i feel but yeah, was wondering if it's worth going through the growing pains of not having it
much like how someone told me to stop using divine dash because it was great but a crutch for actually respecting game mechanics
void fjord
Yea
I suggest using aphro atk instead
And try to get her legendary
That'll be an ez run
The one atk i dont suggest is ares
Only use it if you plan on getting the additional hits add doom boon
hearty elbow
if i have FO 40% i personally find using spin without massive/quick hammer to be a waste of time for the most part
still, athena with that thicc dash attack is still nuts.
void fjord
Especially with divine riposte
hearty elbow
lol, yeah i worry i'm getting carried in elysium by just dashing back and forth with bow dudes or splitters
dry ember
what's a good attack build for Rama?
hearty elbow
i like going for artemis attack + aphro special for heart rend, and divine dash for deadly reversal
get triple shot, twin shot, point blank shot as highest priority. spread your special to the room then shotgun single mob with boiling blood
(if you can't cluster room together)
don't ever used charged shot on rama though lol obv
unkempt pagoda
as a secondary option, perfect shot's bigger window can make it easier to use as well
hearty elbow
the window would have to be cathedral sized imo but yeah haha it helps
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hearty elbow
also i think attack bulds are all that's left for Rama. they nerfed the zeus interaction
and there aren't enough projectiles to reliably spread hargover anymore either
unkempt pagoda
maybe there should be a weekly challenge role that people can use, for pinging purposes?
eternal quartz
That's a great idea, as the post might get lost here...
vague hearth
The shackle is honestly one of my new favourite keepsakes
I usually start with the chaos egg but shackle makes for much smoother starts
hearty elbow
its design is a little confusing to me though, since extra damage in tartarus is so overkill
dry ember
just.. hold it till then end
but yeah
it's not good for high heat stuff
but fun otherwise
vague hearth
I'm trying to get a boonless run and it's a godsend
Well
It's actually the direct opposite but you get what I mean
hearty elbow
lol, how is that going by the way? I remember you trying that also a week or so ago
vague hearth
It's not possible to go through an entire run boonless
On account of the mini-bosses
But it's still possible if you make the rule not to use them
Say
You get a cast boon and just don't use your cast
hearty elbow
i mean it's probably enough to not have any attack, special, dash, cast or aids though
lament coral
what Mayn said, Shackle's current design is counter-intuitive
you don't need extra oomph in Tartarus, you want cash or a specific god
vague hearth
What if it increased damage for every boon you purge?
hearty elbow
the only time i was like, goddamn, shackle op is when i get bruiser elites in tartarus lol
then it feels great
vague hearth
The shackle is wonderful for stuff like hades aspect
hearty elbow
i'm too scurred to use that thing
vague hearth
It's my favourite spear by far
With big spin the range is colossal
And if you get quick spin it becomes a powerful tool
hearty elbow
i feel like i've heard these words before for another aspect ;). I feel like spear needs rework
vague hearth
Oh right
lament coral
Guan Yu is still better
vague hearth
Forgot about that lmao
lament coral
Zag is fine
vague hearth
Zag is honestly fun due to the amount of options you have
lament coral
I don't like Achilles and Hades for being too gimmicky, in the same range as Zeus shield and Hestia rail
vague hearth
My personal favourite is flurry stab, demeter attack and aphro special
Makes the most of privileged status in a big way
hearty elbow
though with 4 casts now the cheeseball achilles cast builds are kind of hilarious, provided you actually kill the thing so you get your casts back
so... relatively unfortunate against bosses
also i am definitely not powerful enough to use achilles responsibly in asphodel
hearty elbow
no clue. been many moons since i've used it
vague hearth
It's...
An experience like no other
Is it a good idea?
No
It is literally the worst idea
But it is immensely funny
hearty elbow
i mean, i originally though cursed slash was the worst idea to take on Arthur, but i did it for memes and now i get super sad if i don't see it
vague hearth
Don't run heightened security with it
Honestly
This game has some of the most fun meme runs in any roguelike I've played
random hull
Chain Skewer has been made incompatible with Achilles.
vague hearth
Damn
hearty elbow
oh for sure. they get away with it because the game is barely procedural so you can still prepare for things deterministically while maximizing memes
hearty elbow
the wall spikes in elysium are the worst. they have like, dark souls 2 ultra greatsword hitboxes
hearty elbow
i'm too busy dying because i forgot where the poison cure pool is.
lament coral
I believe bounce hammer no longer appears with Achilles
vague hearth
I do not want the goat juice thank you mr tumnus
Or would it be rat juice
It would be rat juice wouldn't it
hearty elbow
the styx stage with the pool between the two spinning blade traps is a giant fricken troll
random hull
It's bone hurting juice.
dry ember
the normal room end chambers are evil general
I opt for miniboss fights because they are actually easier (tiny vermin aside).
vague hearth
Also
unkempt pagoda
bone healing juice
vague hearth
Thoughts on the new zag shield?
hearty elbow
forced overtime elite poison dart satyrs are easily the most terrifying enemy for me.
vague hearth
I thought so too tbh
I love the bash builds for shield
Especially when every other aspect favours specials and/or the charge
hearty elbow
i wish Beowulf wouldn't bash people away so much, honestly
dry ember
imagine if you can dash strike with special
(which you can with fists)
but in general
unkempt pagoda
well, the bonkest build is charged throw beowulf
hearty elbow
lol, though i wish they changed the buffering thing with dash special on fists where you can't get the 60 damage 2 hit half the time if you've dashed in the last year
unkempt pagoda
dashing special is practically a pseudo dash special
would be cool to see hammers that give other weapons pseudo dash specials as well
vague hearth
Nah for beo you just go high voltage zeus cast and become the tactical nuke that just keeps giving
turbid needle
That's all Dash-Strikes and variations, the window to use a Dash-modified move is super long, lasts well into Zag's running animation.
hearty elbow
oh yeah, it's great for most of everything, it's a small gripe for sure
turbid needle
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, since it applies to every weapon.
hearty elbow
some of the weapons need hammer overhauls imo. Sword so vanilla, and hoarding slash could be made 5x better and still not be op
vague hearth
I just want the ability to reroll hammers but
hearty elbow
they tried to get fancy with the dash nova thing but that was... not great
lament coral
Snap Nova is weird
hearty elbow
i remember yoloing it with poseidon sword because i thought conceptually it would help, but i ended up overshooting enemies completely then wondering where the hell i teleported then buffered dash to
lament coral
I feel that the teleport effect is intended to balance the hammer
so that you couldn't spam it
lament coral
it's just that the sword special has no support from any of the aspects
hearty elbow
poseidon?
vague hearth
Arthur?
hearty elbow
yeah lol
lament coral
Poseidon just dislodges the cast and what's special about Arthur? Snap would just make it deal more damage, it's still slower than a regular special.
hearty elbow
lol, though Lucifer feels like if Zagreus aspect actually did anything
vague hearth
Nemesis is literally using it to buff attack so I get what you mean there
Yeah idk what should be done with either lucifer or zag aspect to deal with that issue
hearty elbow
the only thing zag rail was good for was Zeus + Support Fire cheese but then they made Lucy... gg
vague hearth
Yeah rip
hearty elbow
i don't think Lucy has a bad attack boon, which is nuts
i saw Haelian steamroll with Ares attack on Lucy lmao
hearty elbow
if you get Breaking Wave or Sea Storm it gets real
it's 2nd worst behind Ares though generally
vague hearth
Fair
hearty elbow
Sea Storm arguments aren't really fair though, since it makes everything great. Lucy poseidon attack is one of the only ways to reliably smash enemies into walls though
hearty elbow
yeah
vague hearth
Which is still one of my favourite builds ngl
lament coral
Athena is the only bad god on Lucy
hearty elbow
it's not even bad. Chaos aspect just makes everything seem so... not as good
lament coral
because Deflect doesn't work on the beam
vague hearth
It doesn't?
hearty elbow
Yeah but Athena's boon damage is thicc so like... you can still kill them lol
vague hearth
Is that intended?
lament coral
I dunno, probably
vague hearth
Makes sense
lament coral
you can't deflect enemy lasers either
though I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work: the beam is just a stream of bullets
hearty elbow
you're right though, it's def worse than poseidon, not as bad as Ares though
lament coral
and if bullets can deflect, so should the beam
vague hearth
Who knows
hearty elbow
in tech beta they removed Athena deflect from Guan Yu
lament coral
also, while you can't deflect with the beam, you can still deflect stuff if it hits your beam's starting point while you're dashing with the beam out
vague hearth
The spin?
hearty elbow
yeah
vague hearth
Yeah that'd be a bit dumb so I can see why
lament coral
and it's totally busted
hearty elbow
it is still obviously the best non-shield defensive mechanic in the game, but like... so squish, so it's not exactly broke
lament coral
nah, it's totally broken: you can throw a max charge disc and stand in it, practically becoming invincible
hearty elbow
i mean you can also hold the attack button on any shield aspect and do the same thing
lament coral
you can just spam discs at Hades and all of his attacks directed at you will be deflected by the disc
sure, cept a spear isn't a shield
vague hearth
Aspect of zoom
lament coral
and holding block doesn't deal damage or heal you
hearty elbow
minus Chaos or Beo
lament coral
and with Athena's boosted deflect damage, whew
earnest ravine
Zeus aspect with athena special is also silly for the same reason
hearty elbow
I don't typically use Chaos shield in arguments though because it's just so far and away the dumbest thing in the game
lament coral
pretty much
earnest ravine
Though not AS broken as Guan Yu's is since that thing's big
lament coral
also, amusing observation: Zag shield now does the same damage at max level as Beowulf
with its attack
hearty elbow
it's so small a thing, but i'm on like 150 escapes and... i just want the ability to skip the Hades or narrator "cutscenes" plsssss
if daddy Hades talks about me not touching his spear one more time i'm going to say that someone doth protest too much.
wanton trail
so I'm curious with how Beowulf interacts with different casts
like Ares or Demeter
does it just pop down a blade rift at the end of the dash?
hearty elbow
Ares you get a thicc blade rift that lasts for like nothing, i haven't seen Demeter yet though
at the end of the dash or charged shot
wanton trail
oh yeah I meant the charge
vague hearth
Demeter build is apparently fantastic on beo
hearty elbow
my biggest issue is that for a lot of the casts, Ares in particular, shield bash pushes enemies mostly out of the range
vague hearth
I ran zeus cast and found out it works with high voltage
hearty elbow
and highly mobile enemies are nearly immune
vague hearth
Unfortunately you will still need zeus special/dash to get high voltage
But once you've got it, you've doubled the size of your cast
Wait
When it increases the size
Does it increase radius or area?
hearty elbow
area would be bizarre, i assume radius
unborn birch
Has anyone been experiencing trouble while having the Athena boon for dodging? Sometimes I get hit anyway, even as I see the attack being reflected
lament coral
depends on the attack
cunning urchin
I haven't experienced anything abnormal about Deflect. Deflected attacks can't hit you.
serene phoenix
hey I don't really understand the fists playstyle. when should I be using the special? it's the last weapon I need to beat hades with
cunning urchin
I think I didn't do a single Uppercut when I cleared 41 heat.
serene phoenix
oh ok then I'm fine lol
untold vortex
depends on the aspect you use
verbal ibex
i find the Special hammer upgrades on the fist are very wonky, they slow down the animation, leaving you vulnerable longer
serene phoenix
also what's the best companion?
unkempt pagoda
i know rib is popular at high heat
untold vortex
objectively their is no single best companion imo
unkempt pagoda
currently i use battie; faster attack time than mort, though it can have wonky aiming at times
serene phoenix
is shady good?
verbal ibex
bouldy is love, bouldy is life
serene phoenix
ok
verbal ibex
i find his healing to be useful, i rarely need help with damage dealing
but then again im not super high heat
tepid ridge
I’ve also cheesed the hitbox on his darkness and coin drops to as mobile cover more than once.
verbal ibex
accidentally did that on hades' laser yesterday, was pleasantly surprised
dense locust
Bouldy has a number of strengths: Can be used on all bosses, deals decent damage, provides good healing if Healing Consequences is level 1 or 0, gives gold, provides i-frames.
and yeah, you can use the resource spawns as barriers
lament coral
double healing, no less, thanks to Dark Regeneration
main osprey
I mean, that's only an extra 6-7 healing from the darkness
Unless you have a lot of darkness boons from Chaos
lament coral
oh, he drops a single clump of darkness and multiple gems, my bad
confused the two
but still, the possibilities!
main osprey
Yup
turbid needle
No.
main osprey
Yup
modest zodiac
idle isle
Is there a way to make aiming better with the hidden aspect of exagryph? the auto aim on controller makes it hard to use well
void fjord
is the infinite ammo hammer upgrade good with lucy?
turbid needle
Just with Zeus.
austere slate
have to say after 104 hrs into this great game...the poison satyrs in Stage 4 are just super annoying and don't offer me any compelling gameplay combat; they only offer rage and frustration. not sure if it's just them, or how quickly the poison leeches, but i've been super OP and clearing encounters easily, then just lose like 80 HP out of nowhere from two random poison satyr
turbid needle
Oh yeah, Support Fire's dummy good.
void fjord
i always go for the satyr's first
so if i have support fire
is it ok to get that
or should i have zeus attack and only then
?
weak rivet
turbid needle
Only then. Support Fire's really strong no matter what on Lucifer, but your attack is ganked without the ramp.
void fjord
I know its amazing with the rail and fists
hmm ty
cause i have to do the prophecies for rama & lucy and need help for them since i'm doing 16heat
idle isle
Is the special on lucifer ever good? or is it just good because of the beam?
void fjord
i think with poseidon
austere slate
i guess it's not just the satyr; the poison mechanic in general just seems super unfun/cheap
turbid needle
The special is good, but the focus is the beam.
unkempt pagoda
regarding satyrs: i think a lot of the time i get hit by satyr darts because their wind up is exceptionally long
void fjord
if they decreased the dps it wld be ok
turbid needle
It has good base damage at level 5 and it's good at applying Status Curses.
unkempt pagoda
i see them do their animation, dash, and still get hit by a dart because they hadn't actually fired yet
austere slate
yeah onyx i do get hit a lot when i dodge behind them, because i already think i've dodged their attack
austere slate
however i also tend to see myself getting poisoned and it leeching out and there's not a real prime on screen effect, so you're maybe poisoned for half a second before you really realize you are
before i see the -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
unkempt pagoda
dire satyr can go die though i have no idea what's going on with it
void fjord
the boss one?
unkempt pagoda
yes
void fjord
yea it just eats ur attack and laughs back
turbid needle
Dire Satyr has an exceptionally long attack duration.
austere slate
i entered stage four at 270 health and i have 39 health right now because i'm raging about poison lol
but some runs it doesn't even hit me
unkempt pagoda
even with athena dash i still manage to get poisoned by dire satyr, it's just an inevitability at that point
void fjord
nothin we can do
unkempt pagoda
i just get meg to do it for me so i can stunlock it to death 🤧
void fjord
maybe in #hades-feedback you can suggest that their attack animation is faster
austere slate
i thought the sticky said to post here haha
"2. This channel is not for discussion. Please discuss feedback in #h1-builds-and-combat."
per hades-feedback
void fjord
Just write over there 'Make the satyr attack animation faster' thats it
no need to discuss
unkempt pagoda
eh, for regular satyrs i don't see it as an actual balancing issue, just something i need to learn
unkempt pagoda
read number 6 in the pins for #hades-feedback
idle isle
ooooh i just learned you can dash through the special orbs on lucy and it sets off. thats cool
austere slate
lol, thanks Onyx, apparently i can only read to 5 😛
although #2 did seem to supercede anything else i thought
turbid needle
I'm being offered Parting Shot with VC Hunting Blades and Blinding Flash.
unkempt pagoda
record the rest of the run please
main osprey
@primal jolt how do they not work together? (From #hades-feedback )
turbid needle
I am almost certain this isn't working.
primal jolt
Holding down RMB with trippy shot lets you reposition your aim
this does not change if you have flurry cast
main osprey
As in, Flurry Cast has no effect on Trippy Shot?
unkempt pagoda
I am almost certain this isn't working.
truly unfortunate
flurry cast should still make trippy shot faster though
primal jolt
mhm
primal jolt
as in, it casted multiple times as you held it down?
main osprey
Yup
primal jolt
Regardless, it still made trippy shot faster (I think, I just refunded the boon)
cunning urchin
Satyrs and Strongbows both have pretty annoying windup, with unhelpful targeting reticles to boot for Strongbows.
Meanwhile no-startup startup rats . . .
unkempt pagoda
styx and stones really will break my bones 😔
cunning urchin
I've been getting trash builds for three runs in a row lol.
void fjord
lol sux to b you
eternal quartz
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As Zagreus enters the shop during one of his daily escapades, he’s alerted to Charon’s presence with a familiar groan. A few more grumbles from the ferryman remind Zagreus of the great debt he owes for always having access to such useful purchases. A debt that must now be paid.
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- Bone Hourglass keepsake equipped for the whole run
- Buy EVERYTHING you can from every Well of Charon and Charon's Shop
- Before you exit a room with a Well in it, you should be unable to buy any more items from the Well without rolling more Fated Persuasions (Between Biomes - use Pool of Purging first, then Well)
- Always choose Obol Chamber and Charon's Chamber whenever possible (Charon's Chamber has priority over Obol)
- You can't reroll Obol Chambers with Fated Authority
Heat:
- Hard Labor 1
- Lasting Consequences 3
- Convenience Fee 2
- Underworld Customs
Thanks to @sterile portal for help with balancing the conditions and coming up with the description :)
Link to the website: https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC06
Good luck and have fun!
main osprey
Woohoo!!
void fjord
nice
unkempt pagoda
can we get a pin pwetty please mods
dry ember
New challenge 
main osprey
Looks like we definitely need a recording for this one, @eternal quartz ?
void fjord
also is pool of purging absolutely necessary?
unkempt pagoda
thank you tiank!
main osprey
@void fjord yes, because of the heat
main osprey
Ye
void fjord
cool
eternal quartz
Looks like we definitely need a recording for this one, @eternal quartz ?
@main osprey Challenge is for player to test their skills and try something different. If someone wants to cheat, it's on them, their loss (of fun). There's no need of recording if someone doesn't want to do it. It is appreciated though 🙂
main osprey
o7 sounds good!
eternal quartz
just a q should i use fated persuasion to reroll then buy everything or not
@void fjord When you open the Well you need to buy everything you can from that panel (the list of 3 that shows). if you want to reroll after that - you can, but then again you need to buy everything from the list that appears
void fjord
so no reroll then buying
main osprey
I think it's that rerolls aren't required?
eternal quartz
no, ther are not required
main osprey
Also, are you required to "buy" Midas?
eternal quartz
but at the same time you can't reroll if there's something you don't want, like Midas
main osprey
Lol
eternal quartz
you need to buy Midas as well if it appears
void fjord
ok ty
main osprey
o7 thank you!
void fjord
can i change a room to get an obol chamber?