you have to pick between them still
#h1-builds-and-combat
frank tide
frank tide
and they're really pretty minor aside from darkness healing after bosses you've done before
stoic thicket
Bouldy costs you using Meg or Than instead.
The fact that Bouldy is still a fantastic option is kind of a testament as to how much of a premium healing is.
stoic thicket
Because they deal an absolute truckload of damage to anything except big daddy-o.
livid comet
I guess it's useful if you're having a rough time with mobs
or on higher heats, which I haven't done much of yet so I can't say
stoic thicket
I've only done up to 20 myself, but I watch a few streamers here and there.
unkempt pagoda
speedrunners like battie because it's fast and takes entire hp bars away from hydra/A&T/minibosses
livid comet
ah yeah
raw violet
Damage summons are useful on high heat, or really any heat, for the same reason Onyx mentioned. Less time in a boss/miniboss is less damage taken or more room for error. Also helps with Tight Deadline.
magic dagger
cerberus makes funny noises if you hit him with slicing shot
magic dagger
I knew from all the times I hit him with mistral dash that he was invulnerable
so I figured, worst case scenario, he says "Nom"
instead he said rrwoorawooruff
livid comet
Also can I just say everytime I get a than room I want to murder him
lol
I was knocking prophecies off the list and decided to do all the remaining mirror talents in one run
hushed ledge
i need to do that one still lol
livid comet
Living on the edge with High confidence and Guan Yu and stubborn defiance...
livid comet
And then I figured well, might as well go all the way and used Butterfly for all of Asphodel, Elysium and Styx
Nothing could take more than three shots
hushed ledge
how's your keepsake levelling going btw?
livid comet
I just maxed butterfly this run
hushed ledge
nice
livid comet
Gotta to plume and Shawl next
naive tusk
6KJ!
hushed ledge
hey peach!
livid comet
Haven't touched Meg or Dusa yet
naive tusk
What's up? How's the heat climbing going?
livid comet
Peach!
naive tusk
Hey Dagger!
livid comet
How's the latest challenge?
hushed ledge
i got my 6x16 2 days ago, and picked up 2 18's yesterday iirc
it's getting to the point where I'm starting to have to use the stat boost ones lol
livid comet
6x16?
naive tusk
16 heat across all 6 weapons, I believe.
hushed ledge
ye
livid comet
ooh
hushed ledge
16 heat on all 6 weapons
livid comet
o_0 nice
naive tusk
This week's challenge ends tomorrow and I will be posting the results + new challenge by then 
hushed ledge
the ultimate goal is 6x32 but that's a long ways away
livid comet
noice, I'm probably not at the point of doing a challenge yet but will try one of these days 😄
I was watching a speedrun of Hades last night
magic dagger
the ultimate goal is 6x32 but that's a long ways away
better get to practicing your TD
livid comet
and man, I can't tell how they get so fast at clearing rooms o_0
naive tusk
I could make 32 without TD so it's achievable without that.
But if he has a good clear time, TD would suit him.
hushed ledge
nah I can't do TD consistently at all lol
maybe i'll get TD1 sometime
but it just doesn't fit at all
livid comet
TD?
naive tusk
Tight Deadline.
naive tusk
Yay!
dry ember
for TD you need to be a bit reckless
livid comet
28 seconds to spare, I thnk I'll pass on TD from now on
at least that's done for prophecy
dry ember
it suits me because I usually facetank stuff like an idiot
livid comet
noice
I was looking at my average clear times and figured TD2 should be doable with GY
but not also with approval process or border control
if I got approved out of my charged skewer...
dry ember
yeah at one point I was like how do people even do TD2
livid comet
😬
dry ember
like my runs average 8 mins per stage
no way I can make 7 mins
in the end I just facetanked stuff a bit more and I made it out xD
naive tusk
I waste a lot of time making Zag moonwalk around lol
dry ember
How?
naive tusk
Disco music 
naive tusk
That's one of the reasons I don't like TD. I don't like to pause constantly.
Another trick is to visit NPC rooms as they will stop the timer too.
dry ember
TD makes me pause my XCOM games to think 😂
naive tusk
You've been traumatized 
dry ember
Yes I have...
magic dagger
If you just know what you want in advance, you can make fast decisions safely
naive tusk
Hmm...
dry ember
hmm starbuck hmm
naive tusk
Skellybucks 
magic dagger
cunning urchin
Nice one! Congrats!
livid comet
n o i c e
hushed ledge
Nice
turbid needle
😔
untold vortex
Approval process plox stahp booli 
barren otter
Do the boons with the "after using call, gain x benefit for y duration" apply that benefit after you press the call button or after the effect of the call is done?
rare topaz
Wh-
Well uh
I've got Epic Chill Blast and Demeter Attack, plus Aspect of Zag with +8 ammo. Part of me wants to take Flurry for faster application of Chill for Chill Blast, but also, Explosive = AoE with CC and Concentrated = higher attack damage.
rare topaz
Fair
livid comet
if you grab some poms it'll get even better
but man
I just finished my first run with Approval process
it took several atttempts
😔
But I got 10 titan blood for it!
and I was instantly back down to 1
😔
titan blood spends way too quickly
livid comet
I was like, wow, 20 TB, never had this much before
rare topaz
Instantly paid off tbh
rare topaz
And now I got +12% attack speed and, in 2 turns, my attack is getting +35% damage
My gut was telling me Flurry too, but my friend told me to go Explosive
livid comet
trust your gut!
it knows you better than your friend over there
you've been together from birth
inseparable
rare topaz
xD
livid comet
also, did you try out GY yet?
man I was such a dumbass, I maxed out eris rail before Zeus Shield
sigh guess it's time to hop on the farm wagon again
rare topaz
I did
rare topaz
My run did not go well despite getting Heartbreak Flourish as soon as I dropped in xD
Still pretty horrible.
livid comet
it takes a little getting used to to be fair
it's a different playstyle to what I was usually doing with most other weapons
it's usually dash -> special -> dash
and you keep dashing to safe spots between specials
livid comet
hm... I'm keen to stream a run if you wanna have a look
rare topaz
I often just play cast builds, and I like attack too
Oh sorry I can't watch streams, my wifi is trash
livid comet
oof
rare topaz
I stream better than I can watch streams xDDD
livid comet
oof yeah
rare topaz
Hmmm
I might actually stream for you tho, this run is pretty stonks...
And I literally only have a main attack boon xD
livid comet
dewitt
rare topaz
Aight bet
turbid needle
the wiki says the arrows from artemis call cant be blocked by shields...I just saw otherwise
lament coral
they pierce
turbid needle
aye
lament coral
so they cannot be blocked by shields
turbid needle
🤔
I feel like I clicked call on thesues and he blocked it
but I might be mistaken given how chaotic visuals in this game are
lament coral
are you sure it wasn't blocked by a pillar?
I don't remember if it can pass through objects
turbid needle
I saw the cue and the blocked text
but like I said it might have been something else that he blocked
leaden hare
How do you conquer Elysium boss with EM3?
My major problem happens with that extravaganza chariot, I cannot properly predict when the attack is coming
leaden hare
I didn't percept any warning, so I guess the only way is to avoid standing in front of him as much as possible
maybe I'll try another run with EM3 and pay attention to his movements, anyway thank you for sharing
hushed ledge
he only does it when he's in front of a "lane"
and he does it 2? times
and each time rotates one counterclockwise i think
lament coral
he can only attack diagonally
he does a lil turn and slows down before driving through the middle
hushed ledge
if you can't see him you're probably not gonna be able to react
generally I like to keep in the back of my mind where he is
and just try to stay out of that lane
lament coral
well, if he's not on your side, he's probably rolling around the other one then
hushed ledge
Sometimes you're in the middle and just can't see
But also
There's 3 lanes on the other side lol
That's not very useful to know
lament coral
3?
lament coral
he drives in a circle though
hushed ledge
That's what I mean by lane
Yes but the attack where he charges and shoots in front means you need to know where he is
And the lanes are where he's gonna attack down
paper hazel
congratz!! im almost there too
hushed ledge
Congrats!
finite crater
👍
turbid needle
thanks!
thick raptor
Chain Skewer + Curse of Pain = oh my
thick raptor
One of the smoothest room clearing runs I've had because of it
gloomy bone
@random hull Ah! That's what it was! I was inflicting Exposed, but completely forgot about it
fallow dust
completed peach challenge at about 2 am last night
fallow dust
attack speed with cursed slash is wild though
I like cursed slash normally but the speed I could heal by the end of that was crazy
naive tusk
I watched his entire run with awesome commentary to boost lol
@fallow dust I just need to delete that picture because of the technical beta content in it. Sorry 😅
But feel free to post it in #beta-discussion-june20 if you'd like!
hearty warren
Does anyone else just basically ignore shops almost no matter what and only ever spend gold right at the end
naive tusk
I kind of do that 
lament coral
really depends on the state of the run and the gold talent you chose
naive tusk
However, when the next chamber leads to Darkness/Keys/Gems/Pom or Charon, I go for Charon.
hearty warren
I skip charon there too because he never sells anything useful when those are the choices
magic dagger
really depends on the state of the run and the gold talent you chose
even buying stuff at shops, I usually get more from golden touch than I would with deep pockets
naive tusk
They are asking what you guys personally choose 😅
magic dagger
and I often go through shops when there's no chance of me buying something, especially in Elysium
TD, you understand. It can get exciting if you don't skip encounters
naive tusk
Ah, so that's a special condition for you to go visit him
fallow dust
oh no I forgot
naive tusk
No worries 
dusk moss
I play Golden Touch and generally skip mid shops, and have a lot of gold for act4
It’s less great now that there’s now longer a guaranteed rare Hermès
But Charon rooms just don’t seem worth a room compared to “free” reward, usually, unless the reward is a nothing like people said
Elysium with TD2 is the big exception
errant narwhal
@dusk moss please only discuss tech beta content in #beta-discussion-june20!
civic barn
Does merciful end apply impending doom's damage increase without having to wait for the additional time
similarly, does curse of longing gain the damage from dire misfortune
magic dagger
yes to the first one @civic barn
I don't know about the second
civic barn
👍 thanks
magic dagger
I missed my first chaos fish
I get perfect catches every time
I pressed the button at the perfect time
nothing happened
narrow rampart
the same happened with me, actually!
i just brushed it off to me being anxious = mistiming it
magic dagger
alecto just ate my DDs
sped slugger inferno-bombers exist
and freaking hypnos isn't on duty when I die, again!
sped cloner numskulls don't play well with Hestia
hushed ledge
I've had exactly one chaos fish and I popped off lol
magic dagger
I ran out of time exactly as I killed theseus
that was exciting
I just got 2 bruiser snakestones in the same tunnel
why does this happen
second 32 heat clear, this time with rail
lament perch
I know people have talked about doomfists in here...that means Curse of Agony, Ares' attack, yes?
I've got the choice between attack and special but the attack is base and special is Epic
magic dagger
pressing the special button usually isn't worth your time, and I doubt it would be even with epic curse of pain
you could sell it though
I lost a DD during the "You just killed a boss" screen
why?
native cipher
lol known issue
native cipher
i remember i got killed by one of dusa's projectiles after a boss died
but this was a few patches ago
primal sigil
What kinds of things do you think about in your builds around Stubborn Defiance?
sand cape
things like what? stubborn defiance vs death defiance basically?
primal sigil
Yeah basically...
What weapons is it good with? What other Mirror aspects?
I just have a hard time thinking of when it would be better over Death Defiance...
sand cape
stubborn defiance is basically a counter to the pact of punishments "lasting consequences"
it normally doesnt allow to heal but with stubborn you can just commit sudoku and restore some hp, it works better the more max hp you have, and with some charon buffs that makes it heal more
if you find yourself losing to many death defiances and getting to elysium or styx without any, you might want to try it
primal sigil
Thank you!
sand cape
honestly the amount of times i got to the final boss with just one death defiance and i just knew it was all over... i just play too retkless to not need at least two
primal sigil
So then how does Stubborn Defiance mititage that since it's only the one? Vs potential 3 Death Defiances?
That you could renew at Patroclus, Athena, or Charon's Well?
sand cape
that it renews after each chamber
in fact, patroclus my man, athena, and charon well, do not give you another but instead increase the amount of HP you return with
primal sigil
Oh right
naive tusk
🔔 This week's challenge is over! Here's the 
Hall of Fame for those who made it. Congratulations! 🎊
@magic dagger @sterile portal @torpid orbit @low urchin @dry ember @fallow dust
Now for the Peachy Weekly Challenge of this week!
Good luck to those who attempt this and remember to have fun!
Thanks to @eternal quartz @sterile portal @unkempt geyser for their help and support!
naive tusk
You don't need to max them!
naive tusk
As long as they are All Green, you are able to attempt this
hushed ledge
Honestly this sounds like something I can actually do lol
naive tusk
Of course you can! I've watched you play and you play well
hushed ledge
Obviously the hardest part is the starting max hp
untold vortex
I want to try but not having GY fully leveled makes this real hard 
naive tusk
I want to try but not having GY fully leveled makes this real hard :bittieLUL:
@untold vortex Whispers softly Do it~
untold vortex
I don't have 12 blood 
hardy epoch
Get 12 blood while attempting Peach's challenge
untold vortex
naive tusk
The strats are incoming!
hushed ledge
Losing rarity mirror talents is rough
Means we need to figure out what we want to do
Stubborn defiance helps us out a lot imo
I might do a couple experiments in my frees at school today
naive tusk
If you stream it, I'd like to watch!
hushed ledge
I can't I'm at school today :( we have to go back for 3 days
I'll probably stream after school but that will be late
untold vortex
untold vortex
the restrictions are on the thing that's pinned ^_^
so if it's not listed there's no limit
astral phoenix
Just making sure
naive tusk
That's right!
untold vortex
all good 
hushed ledge
I'm just waiting for the day that using bouldy to create a barrier to block a projectile from some boss or other is a meta strat
You can trap an FB archer in the corned if you do it right
astral phoenix
I use bouldy loot to block Austerius charges pretty regularly
hushed ledge
I hate that it's a blockage though tbh
hushed ledge
Don't forget about stubborn defiance
astral phoenix
I got lengthy spin and hangover so I think I might be in a decent spot here
magic dagger
52/70 health I would lose hp by committing suicide here
naive tusk
For now
low urchin
I am so bad with GY....
hushed ledge
Just play it like bow
low urchin
spaming special?
hushed ledge
Yes
Treat special as your attack, spin as your special and completely ignore attack
hushed ledge
Yeah the spin is too tempting
But it's just not good tbh
I basically only use it to farm heals when it's super safe
Or as a meaty option
hushed ledge
Gz
naive tusk
Ooh! Congratulations! You are the 2nd one to complete it 
Your name and other info will be added to the Hall of Fame
magic dagger
oh crap
who was first?
mighty ermine
🦊
naive tusk
LOL
Now, if you want an added challenge to the current one, try doing it with Benefits Package +2 and/or Forced Overtime +40% 
magic dagger
How to hurt Skelly:
A helpful community guide by Lord Lysol
Hit the statues
hardy epoch
But why?
magic dagger
#beta-discussion-june20 my guy
@astral phoenix
untold vortex
No tech beta anything outside #beta-discussion-june20 please @astral phoenix
astral phoenix
Oh my bad
untold vortex
No worries
rare topaz
Mfw I have hades tech difficulties but don't want to go to tech support because I'm not tech savvy enough
I'll live!
Meanwhile, I got my first rail win! I had Demeter on attack (rare only tho), then got Epic Chill Burst which upgraded to Heroic with Pom Porridge. I also got Flurry Shot and the other Daedalus that makes your shot pierce enemies. I then got Epic Festive Fog and Ice Wine, aaand... I was running Aspect of Zag at level 3, so, +8 ammo. All in all, it was actually quite a bit of fun! I guess I enjoy rail when I build around attack.
I'm already getting another for rail; what if I get Poseidon attack, get Rupture, get a Zeus core boon, get Jolted, then get the duo that makes your attacks that like knock enemies back and Rupture also get struck by lightning? I imagine that has the potential to get wild.
hushed ledge
Nice!
cursive wing
I'm trying to complete the "Slashed benefits" prophecy and I'm missing Savior and Popper. Which conditions shoul;d I use?
nm, Now I understnad
rare topaz
Very nice tbh
cunning urchin
You don't need to be tech savvy, I'm sure they'll run you through it! 
cursive wing
grrr how do you learn the lyre.... I've done all conversations and 'practiced' for almost 30runs....
cursive wing
once per run, or more?
magic dagger
...
lots of practice
lets just say that it'll take a lot of runs if you only strum once per run
cursive wing
ok. I'm doing about 3-5 per run :L)
cursive wing
already there 🙂
magic dagger
and then riffs
presumably songs eventually
hushed ledge
It takes longer each time though
naive tusk
I was just about to go to bed but!
Congratulations! You are the 7th person to clear the challenge! Your name will be added the Hall of Fame
low urchin
seven already?
naive tusk
Yes!
turbid needle
ah sorry I didnt want to wake u
low urchin
I need more pratice with GY
turbid needle
thanks
naive tusk
Nono, I wasn't sleeping. I was still around but about to close discord to go to sleep 💤
You posted right on time hehe
Goodnight everyone! Have a beautiful day 
low urchin
g'night o/
cunning urchin
@lament perch Curse of Agony + Divine Dash and aim for Merciful End. Avoid Bladerift boons from Lord Ares, so that his tier 2 bladerift boons don't pollute the boon pool.
rare topaz
@livid comet A challenge is a challenge. Do it.
livid comet
n0 u
rare topaz
PROVE YOUR GY MASTERY
livid comet
rare topaz
livid comet
it's fine, you have GY
narrow rampart
not once did i win a GY attack run lmao
those are so much harder than special
despite the attack being what heals
ironic
rare topaz
Has anyone actually made Aspect of Achilles work?
narrow rampart
yeee boiiiii
i use it with casts
special basically functions as a long range dash that buffs your next two casts
when going for a cast build
rare topaz
How come it buffs cast?
narrow rampart
the next two attacks or casts after dashing are buffed
rare topaz
Ohh
narrow rampart
up to 150% extra damage
rare topaz
... I love me some cast runs...
narrow rampart
since it's just two, i usually go for Stygian blood instead of infernal blood, and hope that chaos offers me an extra cast
also same cast runs are my faves
rare topaz
:]
I really, really want max Hera bow, but it's so expensive. 4 sec recharge on bloodstones basically means I can confidently run Infernal Blood
I also like running Stygian with Poseidon aspect, but with the extract on Special, is it that worth it?
Gz Tiank, but also, Peach is asleep
untold vortex
@eternal quartz post it in #beta-discussion-june20 please ^_^
eternal quartz
Sorry! Will do it like that next time, Aggy 😉
narrow rampart
i wanna max hera, but tbh i almost always use stygian on it
untold vortex
No worries ^_^
narrow rampart
and also i sometimes like to keep my bloodstones stuck in the enemies, for maximal effects
as for Poseidon, i honestly almost always go infernal, because i almost always do Artemis casts with that one
meaning exit wounds is probably guaranteed
but if im not doing artemis, ye i take stygian sometimes
especially if it's like, a dio cast
mossy badge
does a keepsake for a god just stop working if you keep it on after a boss?
main osprey
It only guarantees one boon per run, but I believe the rarity benefit remains
If you keep it equipped
untold vortex
Yeah afaik, the forcing the god to appear effect happens once, the rarity chance increase remains (if kept equipped)
The wording of the keepsakes makes me think this too "The next boon you find will be from x. x blessings (boons) have a 10/15/20% chance to be rare or better"
open sonnet
How do I acquire more Titanic Blood after I got the initial ones from defeating the bosses in Floor 1?
untold vortex
By beating them with the other weapons, also by defeating the final boss ||which will unlock the pact of punishment||
open sonnet
So, I can only get 6 until I escape?
untold vortex
Not exactly, sometimes Charon sells ||titan blood costing 1500 gold at the river of styx shop|| and other times the broker offers ||1 titan blood in exchange for 15 keys||
untold vortex
No worries ^_^
There's also some prophecies that reward you in titan blood though I don't remember which ones off the top of my head
open sonnet
So.. am I also able to unlock more Prophecies?
I only have them for certain gods?
Do I need their Keepsake?
lament coral
yes, some prophecies become available as you play, other prophecies are available from the start but not shown in the book until you've made some progress
and yeah, you want all keepsakes
hollow sorrel
I thought keepsakes try to force a god, until you actually accept it? For example, if an Ares keepsake spawns an Ares door, but you decide to choose a gold-reward door instead, it will try again. (But the Chaos gate item will only try once, even if you ignore the chaos gate).
untold vortex
chaos keepsake doesn't force a chaos gate
hollow sorrel
Chaos gate item
(The well item, not the keepsake)
I only mentioned it because it actually only tries once
untold vortex
ahhh
cunning urchin
I thought keepsakes try to force a god, until you actually accept it?
That's correct. There's a small 1 below the keepsake until it's used up.
After that, the rarity still applies as far as I know. I don't datamine or anything, but from my experience there's a noticeable increase in rarity from that god if you keep it on for the whole run.
Skipping in Asphodel, though, is a particularly bad idea because you might not see another boon there lol.
I speak from experience with that. 
granite steeple
How exactly does the Lambient Plume work in Temple of Styx? I feel like whenever I'm there it doesn't matter how quickly I finish an encounter it just doesn't give me any bonuses and then all of sudden it will randomly.
lament coral
it only works in the big rooms
the small rooms along the way do not count, same for the Butterfly
stray stump
Though the butterfly can still get disabled in the small rooms, yeah?
turbid needle
hmm no
yesterday I used it and got hit in a small room but still the bonus in the big room
hearty warren
Yo is it just me or is aspect of hestia exagryph wicked OP?
torpid orbit
its just much better then the rail normal shots
hearty warren
yeah, but in general too
I've been breezing through heats with that thing
runs at like 12 heat feel easier than a no heat run with spear or sword or smth
torpid orbit
i can agree that its damage is actually too strong
even though ||arthur and some other weps deal even more dps but lack range||
magic dagger
I used Hestia for my Effortless 32 heat rail clear
so yeah, I'd say it's pretty good
magic dagger
shoot, reload, repeat
random hull
Make the most out of the high base damage: Hunter Dash + Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike.
lament coral
it's super annoying to play
magic dagger
and use arti attack
narrow rampart
it DOES sound like it'd be tedious
hearty warren
it can get annoying because sometimes zagreus just locks onto and attacks walls for no reason
but it quickly becomes muscle memory to reload with each shot
magic dagger
aphro is better for mobs but you really feel the crits when you're fighting bosses
random hull
It is a lot of deliberate action. No spamming.
hearty warren
and it's pretty wild how quickly you can melt stuff from insanely far away
narrow rampart
id prolly go with arty attack
also I feel like that one Ares boon would go well with it
hearty warren
I feel like it works with just about anything
narrow rampart
Extra damage on next attack after a kill
hearty warren
my favorite is probably aphro's attack boon
and yeah, getting that ares boon can be nuts
magic dagger
if you turn off aim assist you never attack walls
narrow rampart
aphro attack is always dope
hearty warren
but honestly you one shot anything that isn't armored anyway
@magic dagger yeah, but playing on controller means I never hit if I do that lol
narrow rampart
^
random hull
Moreso if you can get Sweet Surrender. In that case, you can use the Special for applying Weak, and use Artemis on the attack.
narrow rampart
mhm mhm
random hull
Plus Heart Rend if things go optimal.
narrow rampart
ill try it out soon
hearty warren
I don't like artemis attack on it since you shoot so infrequently
and when you crit it's massive overkill
tho it's better than zap, hangover, or doom application
random hull
Piercing Fire is a good Hammer for Hestia.
hearty warren
yeah, that's nuts. So is the AOE and slow one
torpid orbit
I usually go for Special hammers on hestia
Hestia is already really strong, with special you combine it up to crazy damage
random hull
I had a Hestia run with Cluster Bomb and Rocket Bomb just now. I just ran in there and started blasting. The empowered shot damage was meager in comparison.
frank tide
hestia affects the special?
random hull
No.
I used the weapon in a way it was not supposed to, but that's what the hammers decided to come up with.
thick raptor
Artemis + triple rockets is pretty sweet.
hearty warren
as long as you can increase the % on attack damage hestia works with just about anything tbh
native cipher
with hestia, i think the most op hammer upgrade you can get is explosive fire
verbal ibex
im close to 100 runs, 20 or so with exagryph, and i've still never seen the Hazard Bomb upgrade
never gonna finish that prophecy
leaden pine
is there a doc or calculator that explains multipliers and such for the various weapons and boons? seems like most things apply additively but a few do multiplicatively, like the trap damage?
cursive wing
Anyone if chain shot applies ares's debuff?
main osprey
as in, if chain shot applies doom to all enemies hit?
unkempt pagoda
i'd assume so, chain shot can crit on chained enemies if you're using zag bow or artemis
barren sparrow
Does picking certain hammer upgrades lock out others? A couple of hammer upgrades have not shown up
main osprey
yup
main osprey
yee
barren sparrow
i see it now, i was looking for Flurry Jab. No wonder, I don't really play Archillis Spear
same as Charged Throw
untold vortex
That goes in #beta-discussion-june20 @wary jacinth ^_^
untold quiver
Anyone having high success with casts other than Dio on the Hera Bow? I am loving it but curious
turbid needle
yeah its super good
frail kernel
poseidon and aphro casts are pretty good on it too
thick raptor
Long ranged Aphro is rather nice
Also feeling quite accomplished at hitting a 5 win streak after 100 escapes, running on 3-5 pacts
turbid needle
Any cast build with poaeidon sword is good too
dire mason
Hey all! Quick heads up, this channel's name is changing to hades-builds-and-combat. 👍
main osprey
Woohoo!
mint plinth
*Yeah aphro cast on hera's bow is terrifying
the only problem is that it's minimal range is weird : when the cast go out, it start at the end of the bow shot
rare topaz
Sure thing!
mint plinth
you have to aim how far the shot goes a bit to be sure to hit
untold quiver
I'll have to try Posidon with Hera....I usually don't go "Cast" builds per se with the blade ...but high Artemis exit wounds/crits builds
gray lintel
my friendship ended with Artemis x Athena
now Artemis x Dionysus is my new best friend
hollow ledge
The new secret boss fight is hilarious yet also terrifying
||don't steal the gold||
green birch
this is a spoiler-allowed zone spoiler tagging with || is always an option though if you want to be polite!
mint plinth
ooh i didn't know you could do this on discord !
steel hazel
||Remove space before second bar here:| |
steel hazel
It's vertical lines, Shift+\
mint plinth
Ooooh
south comet
You also need two on each side of the message you want spoiler'd
steel hazel
Two bars, text, two bars
errant narwhal
||like so||
mint plinth
okay
|| something ||
I DID IT
LOOK MOM
I AM SO SMART
i would like to thank my parents. They told me i was special. And they were right.
also the people from the supergiant discord, who told me much on my limited time here. Thank you so much to have openned my eyes to knew worlds of boundless knowledge and vision.
cunning urchin
Time to post a screenshot of your accomplishment in #h1-victory-boasting.
mint plinth
you know what
that is an excellent idea
thank you again for giving me great advices in these trying times
main osprey
hold up
- Mystery Boon: new! Gives you a Boon from a random Olympian; costs less than a Boon
I never saw that in beta
or was that the 125 obol sack?
dry ember
It's the sack
main osprey
ohhhh
I thought that was just any random charon shop item
and I kept getting lucky
carry on ^.^"
cunning urchin
Maybe you shouldn't have told him. He was surely happier thinking he was lucky every time.
marsh idol
Do I have to have unlocked all of the aspects to get the legendary ones?
stiff stone
You need all the respective wep aspects and Guan Yu
marsh idol
But not fully upgraded, Im assuming
stiff stone
So for the rail, you need all the other 3 and GY, and you need to speak with Zeus I think
main osprey
nope
stiff stone
No, not fully upgraded
main osprey
you should only need a total of 5 blood invested in the weapon
unless that was changed
from within the beta
I unlocked rail with just 5 blood in Zag aspect
still don't have the other two
marsh idol
I have heard good thinks about the shield
marsh idol
Hmm
main osprey
@calm glacier per your feedback, something like investing titan's blood into weapons to upgrade them?
marsh idol
I just hope the new L aspect for the Rail makes it actually fun to play with
Never liked the rail tbh
main osprey
I really enjoyed it
kind cloud
Rail is my favorite, lifesteal sword is a close second
main osprey
I love spear 4th, but that's just because I had a perfect run with it a couple days ago
cunning urchin
What are those weapons you are talking about?
main osprey
things that you hold in your fists
desert nacelle
Guan Yu
main osprey
instead of punching
cunning urchin
A rail, a sword . . . barbaric.
kind cloud
It's a railgun
main osprey
it's a guardrail, actually
kind cloud
ah, okay
desert nacelle
Can anyone quickly explain major things? 
main osprey
probably in #h1-story-discussion
dry ember
Fl4k you are back
main osprey
depending on what you want to know about?
dry ember
I have been posting you 5k screenshot with Excalibur. Love it. I always made sure to credit you, too.
main osprey
(Rail) || Do you really want me to spoil it for you? ||
dry ember
Yup
main osprey
(Rail, open at your own risk)|| Lucifer. It's a laser, you shoot out mines that pulse damage and explode ||
main osprey
that's for other people as well
desert nacelle
u may say anything
main osprey
yeah, but I don't want to spoil it for other peeps
torpid wren
I always liked Hera Bow, although using and building a bow takes a long time(runs very rarely end under 30 minutes). Maybe the new update changes things.
Favorite weapons for me is Sword(any) and Chaos Shield(tho it gets boring). Magnet Fists is climbing up there tho.
main osprey
I loved finding it out on my own
desert nacelle
i do too but i dont have that much time rn to do it
main osprey
hmm, anything in particular?
main osprey
hmm
desert nacelle
Mirror?
main osprey
|| https://imgur.com/1X7WPvk || new duo in this one
more new ones || https://imgur.com/RrY8ULy ||
no major mirror changes, just some shuffling around
desert nacelle
did they add cutscene skips?
dry ember
Nope
desert nacelle
damn it
dry ember
Not yet I hope
desert nacelle
@main osprey 2+2 is?
dry ember
22
dry ember
Ok then "2"+"2"
desert nacelle
"22"
crisp iris
What is the current dominant strat gor guan yu?
I xan't seem to make it work
I feel like I am playing the aspect wrong honestly
shrewd brook
Spam special and dash strike as usual
dull dust
athena attack spin with quick spin is also a good crutch
shrewd brook
Didn't they nerf athena spin in Blood Price?
dull dust
are you at level 5 aspect
crisp iris
Uh, not yet no
desert nacelle
dash attack
dry ember
GY take Deadly Flourish and Charged Skewer
desert nacelle
thats it
dull dust
i found it incredibly oppressive at anything less than 3 cause you just melt, but it's very strong still, just smack stuff in the face but take it slow
dry ember
You can safely ignore your attacks.
shrewd brook
How hard did SGG nerf GY special btw?
dull dust
i think with this many different suggestions you can see it's pretty strong but personally had a hell of a time trying to get it out of tartarus with the miniscule health
cunning urchin
Last beta patch it was down from 50 to 45.
crisp iris
The farthest I got was Elysium with 5 heat it was rough
dull dust
nothin wrong with a little cheese and healing yourself with the spin if you don't have tight deadline on
crisp iris
I keep on tryna spin into enemies abd get clapped by them
man I keep tryna use vulgar words damn
shrewd brook
I tend to avoid spin attack on GY. That healing feels so miniscule
Maybe with Quick Spin hammer
stoic thicket
Even that isn't guaranteed, I just got clapped with GY on 17 heat. Styx was end of the line.
shrewd brook
Especially ||Lightbringer|| aspect
stuck elbow
crisp iris
And having dmg boons on top? Artemis crit on 3rd hit? Beating my dad never felt easier
stoic thicket
Arthur chunks good but I personally always felt that thing tiresome. It's just slow as molasses.
Fun for a run, but I need to cleanse my plate in between.
fast fern
new rail special seems broken, with the triple shot hammer, the orbs keep disappearing without exploding and do not pulse
anybody else notice this?
cunning urchin
for bug reports.
fast fern
not sure if it's a bug or working as intended
fast fern
I'll F10 it if I notice it again
river jacinth
oh i can't post images
river jacinth
the "dashing flight" hammer upgrade for the shield says "while you dash, your special is faster and deals +100% damage"
fast fern
then post the link and it will add the image
river jacinth
eh it was just text
does this literally mean that
while i am in the process of dashing if my shield happens to hit anything then it deals more?
that doesn't seem very strong
fast fern
I thought it worked like dash-strike, but with the special instead
river jacinth
i'm not seeing anything different when i dash special
hasty minnow
God I thought the new aspect would save the bow for me but I still hate it from the bottom of my heart
river jacinth
i like the cast aspect on the bow
makes it more unique
apart from that i think it's my least favourite weapon
gray void
That's not how you spell spear hihi
river jacinth
i can confirm btw
that is literally what that upgrade does
when you are dashing your special homing shield goes ZOOOOM around the screen
it's actually pretty funny
hasty minnow
I think I just hate the fact that you cant fire instanteniously (thats now how you spell that word either)
And I have to hold down to button to actually fire
Urgh
river jacinth
that is generally how bows work in games
tepid ridge
There’s an upgrade that makes it quick-fire like that I believe. But if the bow didn’t charge by default then powershots wouldn’t be a thing and a lot of combat nuance would be lost.
hasty minnow
Oh I perfectly understand why it's like that, it's just absolutely not for me
waxen furnace
@hasty minnow doesn't the gun fulfill that role? hold button instantaneous firing
hasty minnow
I just wanna complete the prophecies
waxen furnace
one ranged weapon being quick and light, the other being a lot more weighty, seems good to me
speaking of the new aspect - if you special-tag multiple enemies and then hit all of them with one attack, presumably they all get quite a bit of splash damage, no?
tepid ridge
It takes getting used to. People on here love dash strikes to make the bow quicker, have you tried those out while trying to nail prophesies?
hasty minnow
Im on controller, so 90% of my game tactic is just dash striking anyway lmao
waxen furnace
maybe try pushing aspects/builds that focus on the special or cast?
new bow special feels like a mini chaos shield. love it so far
boreal bobcat
Is there anything that makes Heavy Knuckle worth anything? I guess you can try and pair it with Artemis...?
It seems to take away the main benefit of the Fists, Jojo-ing all over the place
gray void
I don't think so. I find it's unnecessarily clunky
turbid needle
Didn't Heavy knuckle get adjusted like super late in the beta
heady zephyr
is the shared damage from aspect of rama affected by special damage modifiers?
boreal bobcat
I squeaked through Theseus with it, then tried the Anvil to see if I could get a last minute save- only for it to take away Long Knuckle and give me uh, Colossus Knuckle or something like that?
whispers I was not saved
keen ocean
I got both Heavy and Colossus in my first run immediately after the update! Can't say i was much a fan of them, but at least they're out of the way now.
boreal bobcat
That's a good way to look at being devoured by rats
shrewd brook
How does Achiles aspect for Varatha interact with multihit attacks/spells? For example Blade Rifts, does it buff first two ticks of Blade Rift or 2 whole casts?
keen ocean
Hey now, I managed to survive.
I barely killed the tiny vermin, but Chilled Wine saved my hide.
tepid ridge
It affects all of the rifts’ hits
waxen furnace
has the way hammers appear across floors changed recently?
first run post-patch, saw both my first and second hammer in elysium
low urchin
any context for why "World Smasher" got removed? I really liked this hammer upgrade
sand cape
I think half the players tried once and saw it as a clear downgrade and then avoided it like the plage
dry ember
Why does Bronze Skin exist when Different League exists?
sand cape
To stack and and because different leagues read close enemies
keen ocean
Different League has a distance requirement.
waxen furnace
okay, picking up explosive shot on the new bow might have been a mistake
as fun as triple shot + explosive shot is, it is damn slow
thick raptor
Y'all tend to run the regen cast or the stone drop cast?
waxen furnace
def was not going to spoil anything by watching streamers. these hiccups are fun to discover
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul is the meta really. Infernal Soul is for specific builds.
But pick the one that works best for you.
fast canopy
So how do you get the new Shield?
waxen furnace
@thick raptor I'm only at the 10-ish heat level, but I almost purely run regen cast, unless I'm running a weapon that is cast-centered. not because it's strictly better, just because I prefer the convenience of regen.
naive tusk
Same!
dry ember
I used to do that. But I run ammo casts 99% of the time.
Becuase the difference is not that big for non casts build
fast canopy
I'm guessing you talk to one of the Gods?
thick raptor
I've been almost exclusively running the regen, and if I'm going cast I'll snag extra stones from chaos/regen speed from Hermes.
sand cape
My problem is that I forget that I have a cast even 3 seconds most of the time
dry ember
But ammo casts synergizes with Demeter cast boon better
boreal bobcat
It works okay with fists or something, but that's no way to run a cast build with Sword or Bow
turbid needle
@fast canopy I'll tell it to you in #h1-story-discussion
dry ember
Both Snow Burst and Ravenous Spirit (?) work better on ammo cast.
cunning urchin
I use casts primarily to stun enemies from a distance (e.g., to keep them from making waves while I'm still closing the distance) or to apply Boiling Blood. So Stygian Soul lets me do that pretty much whenever I want without the need to pick up casts.
thick raptor
Ammo does work well for Demeter, though I like regen for Artismis' dislodge
sand cape
I can see how that would be ideal
cunning urchin
Sometimes to finish off enemies from a distance.
sand cape
Sometimes I feel I just prefer the burst of damage from 3 casts
turbid needle
I like to not have to get the casts back, and to not be hard-stuck against Benefits Package witches that stand above lava and do nothing but gain damage control stacks while I run sword or fists
dry ember
Some Asphodel stages are unfair imo.
sand cape
Enemies shouldn't be able to get that far away into the lava
turbid needle
Sometimes the lava is in the dead-center
sand cape
And stones should be push out off the lava
cunning urchin
The difference is big in that I can keep my eyes on other things and don't need to look around for where my bloodstones dropped. But yeah, you can use Infernal Soul similarly.
turbid needle
It's pretty much reliability vs burst
waxen furnace
oh. Borrowing money from Charon was... fun.
dry ember
Zagreus takes Charon's lunch money, then beats him up, then buys stuff from his shop at cheap price, with the money he"borrows" from the victim.
Are we... Are we the baddies?
sand cape
No that's not right
Or is it why we can't get out of hell?
Silent hill bad ending flashbacks
turbid needle
This is why Tisyphone hates us
shrewd brook
is 80% an absolute cap for damage resistance or can you break through it with boons like Bronze Skin?
tall yarrow
I ran out of time on tight deadline for first time today. I was happy it was just a dot and not instant loss but Elysium still gave me a thrashing
I always struggle with dps on the bow..
sand cape
It is probably a multiplicative effect after that, or it be the cap since there is no way to not take damage at all with just pure damage reduction
turbid needle
I think it's a pure cap, if the dodge cap is anything to go by
Like at some point it just doesn't do anything
waxen furnace
so many new things to pour bloods into. never going to get that skelly trinket at this rate
sterile portal
I'm sorry? Is fox being nice to- oh wait there it is
cunning urchin
sterile portal
Look! You made her emote
You know you've gone to far when Nyaa stops smug emoting at you
dry ember
She will be fine.
cunning urchin
dry ember
Just like go to bed. You will feel better. I promise.
sterile portal
Just punch some people that look like fox, nyaa, and you'll feel better
cunning urchin
dry ember
Don't cry... Don't tell mods. I'll let you hit me back.
sterile portal
Don't make me bring peach in here
dry ember
Anyway, eh hem, Hades gameplay
main osprey
@toxic tusk afaik it does show the current bonus, though it doesn't show how much you'll get for your next bonus
toxic tusk
@main osprey ok then. Perhaps I missed it. Thanks
main osprey
No worries. I think it should show both, honestly
untold quiver
Hmmm so at least at face value it feels like Beowulf is going to play almost exactly like Hera Bow?
velvet thicket
it changes how a lot of casts work and makes many of them aoe
main osprey
@agile roost you can. Press B (on M&K) to open the Boons menu
agile roost
Even while selecting boons?
main osprey
Yup
sterile portal
swan dragon also known as oo7
main osprey
Lmao
cunning urchin
Opening the boon menu doesn't work in shops. So if you've tried that, you wouldn't try again when choosing boons.
thick raptor
Hrm, unsure how I'm liking the L Rail, it feels a bit immobile and I'm not quite getting the granades going well
dry ember
The auto aim is a bit wacky yeah
velvet thicket
it seems absolutely ridiculous to me, the dps is nutty esp with dio or zeus on attack
thick raptor
It may very well be the causality of first time use + hitting demeter on it in hopes of snagging the bonus damage on 10 chill
velvet thicket
i think zeus is also destroying the grenades but i can't tell since there's a lot going on on screen
inner patrol
L Rail is best if you just ignore the special IMHO. Artemis, Demeter, Poseidon, and Zeus are all great attack boons for it. Zeus especially if you get the infinite ammo upgrade
naive tusk
Well, I think it's high time I play some Hades myself!
civic barn
Kipple the special explodes on impact from anything, so you don't actually have to detonate them yourself
dry ember
Post victory screenshots
civic barn
in case it's like a really stressful situation, you could spam it on the ground and wait for an enemy to trigger them
inner patrol
They'll also explode if you try to put out more than 3
civic barn
was it not 5? hm
sterile portal
it's been 3 forever
civic barn
just remembering it wrong then :V
inner patrol
Last I played it was 3. Did you have triple bomb? Maybe there was a glitch
civic barn
oh you can technically get 4 on screen
because the 4th one will trigger the 1st's explosion, but it would still remain on board; i think i just remember the interaction wrong
inner patrol
Technically, but as soon as the 4th lands it detonates the oldest bomb
I'm not gonna lie though, I miss the interaction with Ares & the hidden Aegis aspect. It made for the best pun & worked so well with the new duo boon with it
civic barn
i don't remember but I assume triple bomb wouldn't let you place more total, but instead lets you special without having to wait until it lands, right?
inner patrol
Right, but I feel like it had the least polish when I first got my hands on it, so it's not impossible that all interactions hadn't been ironed out yet
civic barn
well we'll find out eventually
inner patrol
I love the hose setting on it. Poseidon attack boon on it makes it into a fireman's hose & makes wall slam builds viable
hushed ledge
Honestly, the lack of a Stygian nerf is pretty surprising to me
dry ember
Why would you want that
civic barn
there's been so many nerfs through out the life of this game so far that I'm not sure what you're trying to say there 🤷♂️
but i don't think there were any, if any, feedback towards stygian soul
civic barn
so feel free to do so if you think it deserves a nerf!
winged grove
jk I havent experience nerfs yet
please tell me railgun isn't nerfed I love one shot rail gun ability
turbid needle
I didn't feel great about L rail its rly slow imo I wanna go fast
feeling vulnerable while standing in place too
velvet thicket
you can dash while firing
hushed ledge
I don't want a Stygian nerf but afaik a lot of the "stronger" players here generally have come to accord recently that it's the stronger choice
raw violet
luci instructions: hold attack, dash occasionally, hit reload when empty
inner patrol
And if you're using Brutal Dash the additional dash is better for L Rail
turbid needle
being able to move while holding the laser changes things a lot
raw violet
i would disagree that there's a big consensus on which bloodstone is better
there's a lot of different preferences
earnest lynx
what's a good build for fists?
raw violet
and the arguments just suggest that there's a place for both
civic barn
I think i still prefer having more casts at once since it's a lot more damage and synergy; I don't think i've actually seen anyone recently say the alternative is better though, so maybe there's been a change of sorts before this patch?
civic barn
it's been months since i last used it properly
hushed ledge
It allows you to grab a couple cast boons without going too deep and get a large buff to boss dps
turbid needle
I use stygian bc I like frontloaded dmg but inferal never felt bad to me
sterile portal
I definitely prefer Infernal personally, I've never been in room long enough to lose all three casts
hushed ledge
Imo it's more of a boss damage thing ime
raw violet
infernal allows you to debuff both Theseus and Asterius at the same time more reliably
which is why I prefer it
and I value boiling blood over any non-lodging cast for the most part
velvet thicket
i always focus one down as fast as possible anyway
dry ember
what's a good build for fists?
@earnest lynx Divine Strike and Hunter Dash. Or Lightning Strike and Divine Dash.
inner patrol
@earnest lynx Artemis or other stacking curses like Demeter or Dionysus on attack, special use to apply something like Weak, something that lasts for a long time (Zeus for Cold Fusion comes to mind.) how you want to play is to keep dashing to keep pouring on damage (the Breaching Cross upgrade also helps for this since it adds the dash attack so you just keep doing damage.)
hushed ledge
Boiling blood is definitely crazy good
earnest lynx
mk
turbid needle
everyone is so helpful its nice
earnest lynx
i will keep that in min
any keepsakes i should take first then?
zeus then artemis?
hushed ledge
I'm a big fan of starting Athena on fists
dry ember
Dionysus on fists sounds good in theory but is a bit underwhelming in practice imo.
Zeus
Try Lightning Strike fists
inner patrol
Personally I take the Lambent Plume a lot with Malphon. It stacks with the Zagreus aspect's dodge chance, making you very difficult to hit
dry ember
Basically at least +100% damage right off the bat
If you can find Splitting Bolt then it's basically game over in term of damage
earnest lynx
ya i was doing lighting strike fists
kk
LOL
@dry ember I get hammer first escape attempt and breaching cross
dry ember
That's p good :D one of the better hammer upgrade
inner patrol
Arguably the best upgrade for it (I enjoy the new special upgrade with the Demeter aspect, but that's personal choice)
sharp grail
Yeah to make Dio work on fists you basically have to adopt a hit and run strat
Go in punch five times, tail it
repeat
inner patrol
I go Dio/Aphro to get the one that does it up to 8 stacks. Ares special doesn't hurt either if you're going with Blood Price for his new duo with Dio
torpid wren
Tried the new bow... don't know why such an interesting mechanic is locked behind actually feeling good to use with its slow attack time
velvet thicket
yeah rail and spear are the only ones i enjoy so far bc all the other legendary aspects are sooooooooooooo slow
bow is imo the worst offender
actually that's not true beowulf is ok too
torpid wren
I always felt slowness and limited durations feel off in terms of how fast paced this game is.
inner patrol
Eh, the new bow is meh to me. Especially since the latest change nerfed the special hard. Then it could've been an interesting special build, but the option got removed to try to force the unique aspect of the secret aspect
dry ember
I'll take hunter dash over pressure point I think
But it depends on how often you abuse dash strike.
inner patrol
Remember with Breaching Cross the end of your combo counts as your dash attack
thick raptor
What defines a combo, is it that third strike?
thick raptor
Specifically the fists re: breaching cross
inner patrol
If you have the Heavy Knuckle upgrade yes, with the normal attack combo it's the 5th attack
thick raptor
Cool, good to know, I haddent quite caught what Breaching cross did, but with a couple of boons that seems like could have some solid potential
inner patrol
Artemis & Demeter are the best ones because of Artemis having the bonus to dash attack damage & Demeter letting you lay on the Arctic Blast damage
heady zephyr
the other thing with breaching cross is that by default your fists have a delay after you end a combo. you can bypass this by dash striking on any hit before the fifth, but since breaching cross counts as a dash strike you can just keep comboing infinitely
inner patrol
Yeah overall Breaching Cross is the best single upgrade across all aspects