h1-builds-and-combat

[analog mauve]

Wow same braincell

🤣

[zenith fractal]

I would NOT want to play Hades with 0% attack-/projectile size

[analog mauve]

Fun challenge run

[weak zenith]

New challenge run category

[analog mauve]

But genuinely half of eris difficulty comes from blinding urself

[zenith fractal]

true

[analog mauve]

Another item added to the shotlist I have to shoot this weekend

[weak zenith]

Old yeller

[analog mauve]

Unrelated but shout out to support fire

[plain river]

Most fire realisation was figuring out that support fire has the backstabbing attribute turned on

[formal aurora]

Is there any cast boon that's worth losing the boiling blood lodge bonus over? My current feeling is no, but I've never really done a build focusing hard on casts so I wanted to know if they were secretly really good

[turbid needle]

only on dedicated cast builds, otherwise you want that +50% damage bonus

[formal aurora]

Hm I figured
And these cast builds are they like
Good

[turbid needle]

most of them are using achilles and beowulf aspects, I'm more familiar with achilles:

• trippy shot with Zeus and Demeter duos (ice wine + scintillating feast)
• crystal clarity (Demeter x Artemis duo)
• hunting blades (Ares x Artemis duo)

[formal aurora]

Mm, ok that makes sense. I hadn't considered the Cast load weapons as silly as that sounds

[turbid needle]

the trippy shot one hits for like 2k + some DOT, it's crazy
the others are multi-hit homing ones, but still great damage

[plain river]

Hera is also really good for castpects

It gets to really make use of aphro cast since the loading part of Hera fixes all of aphros problems and just leaves you with damage

[formal aurora]

I was planning to do a run like that for my next run mhm

It sounds really fun!

[thin canyon]

I kinda wish there was more ways to up how fast casts move though

Aside from hunting blades

I always feel like I whiff them at range or whenever I use trippy shot

[frank goblet]

flurry cast changes the speed at which casts travel

[thin canyon]

Oh wait fr?

I thought it was the rate at which you were able to fire casts

[frank goblet]

ya

it's both

[thin canyon]

Interesting

[spring canyon]

In the Keepsake case after a boss, if I pick the Cthonic Coin Purse, do I still gain 100 Charons Obol?

AFTER Lernie specifically

[frank goblet]

...yes?

the keepsake gives money upon pickup so like yes

[spring canyon]

Okay, I have trust issues after the Hermes quirk

[spring canyon]

What happens if you don't bother to change your keepsakes in between areas? Does it go off of the one you still have on?

[formal aurora]

Yeah the one you left on will still be active. You only lose the effect once you take it off.

Boons don't reactivate their effects between areas though

So like if you've used up your Artemis keepsake to get the guaranteed boon and carry it into the next region you'll still have the +20% chance for Artemis boons to be rare or better but won't get another guranteed Artemis boon

Etc.

The passives carry over essentially

[spring canyon]

Okay, and do the rarity modifiers also boost epic, heroic, legendary, and duo odds, or just rare?

[spring canyon]

I have the 10% duo odds from the mirror and I'm wondering if it stacks

[formal aurora]

Shi idk

[plain river]

rare boosting effects usually boost epic by +10% and duo/legend chance by 10%

I could check to see if the keepsakes do that for certain let me find my laptop

[spring canyon]

Yeah I'm building around Dionysus and Zooz

[plain river]

It does

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1495286210183168180/image.png?ex=69e5b14d&is=69e45fcd&hm=6c81499cda5e644ac2e3caf61f9da92a2f617badd2416c9917d56961f66be4cb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1477&height=932

game only displays the rare bonus but it does boost epic and legendary odds

[spring canyon]

Cool, thank you so much

[plain river]

base odds per duo are 12% per option for regular boons and 10% per option for miniboss tier boons

and anything that adds duo/legendary chance adds to this amount per option rolled

[spring canyon]

So grab keys for rerolls and I've basically got whatever build I want

[plain river]

pretty much

although you're likely enough to find your duo without rerolls if you're maximising your odss

might as well use them all on chaos and hermes, and then on wells

[spring canyon]

I did beat up Charon and take his lunch money this run so I should be set

[crude token]

Any suggestions for a stygian blade build?

[zenith fractal]

pinned

[weak zenith]

the best way to play sword is picking a different weapon

[open moth]

Sword is fun though

[zenith fractal]

If I may, it's an "asspect"

[spice mirage]

try get double edge for daedalus and get tidal dash from poseidon and lightning strike from poseidon

then later in the run get static discharge

[weak zenith]

tital dash pushing everything away from your dash attack

[analog mauve]

it works if youre goated

[spice mirage]

worked for me lol

[crude token]

Wait so i get zues attack on my m1s?

[spice mirage]

yeah

[crude token]

What aspect do u recommend

[weak zenith]

anything wokrs at low heat

[weak zenith]

nem is "the best" aspect, possidon if you want to run casts, the secret aspect isnt good

the zag aspect can be on par with nem with that one herms boon

[spice mirage]

zagreus and nemesis are good

[turbid needle]

eh, Arthur is pretty fun if you hate the base sword moveset, highest single hit damage in the game, and you can tank every boss, just pick Aphro attack and that's the build

[spice mirage]

oh well then

[analog mauve]

wat

arthur is goated

[weak zenith]

more like bad

[analog mauve]

more like ur bad

gottem

[weak zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watermelon-watermelon-cat-cat-crush-crush-gif-10209359194184036203

[formal aurora]

My current fastest run was with Arthur aspect, Athena attack, Artemis pressure points and then the other basic crit skills eventually going into Artemis Athena duo.

Add on Aphrodite dash and duo if you can. Works even better if you get double edge ofc

Hermes attack speed boost ofc also great here

[kindred sandal]

Does anyone know if flying cutter compatible with dash-upper?

[plain river]

With the Explosive Upper hammer?

If yes, then yes

[prime frost]

What are good builds for Varatha I want high dps

[turbid needle]

try flurry jab hammer + zeus or artemis attack

[weary abyss]

do yall use greater reflex (2 dashes) or ruthless reflex (gain 50% damage and dodge chance)?

i have always used greater reflex, but did ruthless to finish achievment and it seemed decent. Im not sure though. I feel like i dodged more stuff with that because I was being more mindful of the timing of my dash

question, if i do 2 dashes in a row, is there a few frames in between where i am no invincible?

[tight basin]

pretty much always greater reflex unless you're using gilgamesh

or zeus shield but that's dependent on if you know how to use it well

[tight basin]

yeah i'm pretty sure there's frames where you can get hit

could be wrong tho but i would imagine there is

[tight basin]

i'd imagine bc you were more focused on dashing than dash striking bc you dont have as much freedom dash striking lmao

[weary abyss]

yeah, maybe that is why sometimes i am thinking "wow, i thought i had that timed right, but it still hit me". maybe since i am often dashing twice it's hitting me in between

[weary abyss]

ya i was paying way more attention for sure, cause i felt like with one dash i was bound to get hit more, but probably got hit less than normal

[analog mauve]

R u sure

[tight basin]

no

[analog mauve]

Fire

[prime frost]

Heys guys is there like an objective best weapon in hades

[frank goblet]

shield👍

[prime frost]

Why just asking

[frank goblet]

beo holds the speed record and zeus holds the most max heat clears

[nocturne shard]

Hey does dash strike buffs affect dash upper?

[prime frost]

What boons go best and hammers

[frank goblet]

no bc dash upper is special related not dash strike (strike refers to attack)

[frank goblet]

for which? beo or zeus

[tight basin]

huh i thought they did buff dupper, like hunters dash buffs dupper

[prime frost]

Ageis shield

[tight basin]

or at least i thougth they did

[frank goblet]

does not i had tried with both hunter dash and chaos dash attack %

[tight basin]

oh damn

[nocturne shard]

Thank you

[frank goblet]

Just shield in general? Charged shot and arti/aphro/athena attack. For beo you add pos cast aiming for mirage shot (poseidon x artemis duo) as it’s bugged and doesn’t apply the 30% damage to the second cast so it’s just double cast damage. Zeus really likes explosive return and zeus special, also works well with either ares attack or special with either athena attack or special depending on ares attack/special was chosen

zag and chaos shield play identically to eachother and follow the first mentioned thing

[analog mauve]

Athena atk??

[frank goblet]

for shield in general ye? its like the heat thing with athena attack cshot

[analog mauve]

I have never heard of this

Aphro is the goto

Rifht

[neon fog]

Is hunter's mark additive to crit chance or multiplicative?

[lucid oar]

additive

[zenith fractal]

aphro is most common this is true

athena attack is one I'm particularly fond of, as it lets you release block a bit earlier against deflectable attacks when you have cshot. It also opens DDs, as such being an alternative to ddash in that regard (particularly good in unmodded to have a less restrictive first-boon). It has some damage-scaling potential in the form of deadly reversal.

Overall, imo safer than aphro but has a less high ceiling due to not having as powerful damage-scaling as aphro.

if I had to rank the % attacks for high heat zagshield/chaos it'd probably be aphro > athena > shackle > artemis > demeter > everything else. for regular anyheat it's ofc still arty > aphro > everything else

[limber stirrup]

Doing a achilles run. Got divine dash going and picked up deadly strike 15% crit. Now i got divine strike from aphrodite that gives 77% attack damage. Worth switching ?

[odd magnet]

Hi everyone ! I need your help, i just need to complet the ||32 heat challenge|| to finish the 100%, but I’m in big difficulty. What do you recommand me ? I’m more confortable with the ||sword, and don’t really like the gun,|| if some one can help it would be grate 😁

[turbid needle]

Zeus shield, don't take EM4

[odd magnet]

EM4 ?

Ah ok i get it

[turbid needle]

extreme measures 4, don't bother with it, it will kill your run

[odd magnet]

Ok thanks, i try one time the EM4 I leave it to other 😂

[weak zenith]

If you are running a shield em4 isn't that bad

Em4 is only hard when you have other compounding pacts

Stuff that makes enemies harder, limit build consistently

[odd magnet]

But I have no choose to take pact who makes ennemies harder to win the 32 heat, or I have to make me less efficient

Except the ||time limite||, all the lasts pacts are very punitiv

[weak zenith]

4 heat from em4 is the equivilant of 4 levels of hard labor, 2 levels of forced overtime, 4 levels of any combination of calistenics or jurry

its not optimal but if you know the em4 fight you can make the rest of the game easier for yourself

[odd magnet]

I’ll try I guess 🤷‍♂️

Which god should I take with the shield ?

[weak zenith]

dont pick it if you havent beaten em4 a handful of times

[turbid needle]

you take thunder flourish on the Zeus shield, the rest of the build can be whatever, just keep taking Zeus boons for more thunder stuff

then you just apply boiling blood, send out the shield and block lmao, then recall the shield (can be done while blocking, requires a claw grip on the controller though), then do it again, and so on

[odd magnet]

Okay thanks all, I’ll try to beat him 😁

[lucid oar]

8 hours later so this probably isn’t useful but no, the +150% from achilles really helps crits

[limber stirrup]

I Sticked to the crits that round. Think it pairs well

[weak zenith]

crits are indeed better for achilles

since 150% is additive regardless

crit is multiplicative while +50% from aphro just puts it to 200%

[spring canyon]

Do I keep the dodge chance or attack up from Hermes and Thanatos after I take their keepsakes off after a region?

[frank goblet]

you lose the effect sadly

[limber stirrup]

Need some guidance. Running a achiles spear.

Got artemis attack and poseidon dash.

Got option to switch to hunters dash that gives 70% damage

Im doing dash attacks and specials, thats the strat. Is it better to switch to hunters dash or keep the poseidon dash ?

[turbid needle]

please don't spam the same question in every channel

[limber stirrup]

Just in this general and the build one sorry bossman

[weary abyss]

i would help but i have never done a spear build really. I just have done sword/bow/fists/gun

[spring canyon]

I've always used any other dash than Artemis except on the spear because its dash strike has great range and daedalus upgrades

[plain river]

Tidal dash

100%

Sorry I’m late

Adding 14 damage to your dash-strikes isn’t worth sacrificing the strength tidal dash adds to each dash tbh

between the aoe, knockback, raw base damage it adds and breaking wave/ razor shoals

plus it opens mirage shot with artemis for your achilles build which would normally help buff a hunting blades (artemis x ares) or crystal clarity (artemis x demeter) cast build added on top of the prior artemis dash-striking set-up

[analog mauve]

Hunters dash forsure

[spring canyon]

Does revenge damage trigger if you dodge the attack? (Hermes, Plume, Fists)

[zenith fractal]

Believe not

[spring canyon]

What about traps or magma?

[worthy snow]

can i get some recommendations for beowolf. just unlocked it and still working out how to use it.

[lucid oar]

if you’re on controller, rebind cast to something that isn’t a face button

on beowulf you switch from cast to attack very frequently and it’s awkward if they’re both face buttons

[worthy snow]

i play on the swich

if that helps

[lucid oar]

general attack rotation is cast -> dash strike straight into bull rush

[worthy snow]

explain, i'm kinda slow.

i want to minor prophaices so i only need to get this to the boss fight, i don't need to beat hades i just need to get to him

and also what build

i assume Poseidon's cast

[spare junco]

then basically do whatever the hell you want but get a good cast and use that

as long as your on low-no heat or you're a chill guy who runs higher heats for fun

get aphro/poseidon cast maybe dio cast im actually not sure how it works on beowulf then pour poms into that and your dash and go for survivability

[worthy snow]

so Athena dash, Poseidon cast, maybe Aphro speiacl for the curse stack, then maybe Artmies exit wounds, and for funies fully loaded. that will help too?

[limber stirrup]

Can someone explain how i can get merciful end boon ? Trying to make it work but i just dont ever get it

[rotund sluice]

Are you getting ares attack and Athena special, or vice versa?

The dash isn’t enough to get ME

[rotund sluice]

Poseidon cast, Artemis attack, rush mirage shot

Exit wounds does nothing

I don’t even think you can get it

[worthy snow]

still kinda new. and i just unlocked the thing. so yea. didn't even make it out of Tarturs last i used it. but it was the same with the author sword till i took some advise.

but i was thinking Artmies's lengendary for the extra casts

[lucid oar]

that’s good if you get it, but there are more consistent ways of getting similar if not better damage boosts

like more poms on the cast, chaos buffs, well buffs

and mirage shot much more important since it’s bugged on beowulf, the 30% damage on the second cast doesn’t apply so you just get doubled damage

[limber stirrup]

Ive just taken whatever they are offering from attack spec or dash

[turbid needle]

you can check duo requirements in the journal, you need specific boons for all of them

[limber stirrup]

Great tip Thanks

Im torn between chiron and rama. Dont know which to main as bow

[turbid needle]

Rama is better if your dash strikes are really on point, otherwise it will take 5 business days to charge a shot

[plain river]

Rama if you’re choosing between those two

[limber stirrup]

Hey. Ive gotten ares special and athena attack. But i dont seem to get merciful end anyways. Is this normal?

[weak zenith]

me is with athena

[limber stirrup]

Sorry meant athena

[weak zenith]

• you can check the book to see if you have the requirements

press c and go to one of the gods

scroll down to see duos

[limber stirrup]

Ive done that and i have the things required. Can both drop the boon ?

[weak zenith]

if you have the prerequisets you need then you are just getting unlucky

[weak zenith]

yes

[turbid needle]

it's not guaranteed, it's rare-ish without the maxed mirror, mini-boss rooms are more likely to have duos

[weak zenith]

but not during the double boon rooms

[weak zenith]

source on mini boss room?

[turbid needle]

warden boons have increased rarity so higher chance for duos

[weak zenith]

source

[turbid needle]

you can google that yourself if you don't trust me

[plain river]

This is incorrect

[weak zenith]

speading missinformation online

[plain river]

regular boons have 12% duo/legendary odds at base and miniboss boons have minimum rarity of rare but 10% duo/legendary odds

per option

[turbid needle]

hmmm, why would warden boons have decreased duo chance, is that a bug

[weak zenith]

why did you think they had an increased chance

[turbid needle]

because that's how it works in Hades 2

[plain river]

that’s just the way it is iirc

It’s really easy to increase your odds of getting duos though

[weak zenith]

i hate yarn

[limber stirrup]

I got it boys. Ive got doom on special and athena on attack. Its my first time using merciful. I got aspect of dementer fist. Can someone explain to me how to best use it ?

[weak zenith]

big thumbs down form me

[weak zenith]

youve got that reversiful end

[plain river]

oh this is a bit backwards from the normal way to use it on fists

[limber stirrup]

Damn

[plain river]

normally you’d have doom on strike, athena on special and then find divine dash from athena so you can just dash-strike

because then your dash-strikes inflict doom and your dash immediately deflects after

[limber stirrup]

That would be nice. So now i gotta do special and attack ?

[plain river]

pretty much

[turbid needle]

I just googled it and the warden boons in Hades 2 have a 20% duo chance (up from 12% base), so I was right, not every region though

[limber stirrup]

Rip

[weak zenith]

you are still spreading h1 misinformation

[turbid needle]

well I'll just assume it's bugged in 1 because it doesn't make sense to get worse boons from a warden

[weak zenith]

if you get the dash you could just special dash

i dont imagine its stronger than just playing normally

[weak zenith]

generational cope

the game never implies that mini boss rooms had higher duo chances

its just a new thing they added in h2

[plain river]

There’s 2 avenues:

1. just boosting your duo/legendary odds (yarn of ariadne from wells, refreshing nectar from eurdyice, and chaos favour boons, and god keepsakes all give +10% epic and +10% duo legendary without telling you)
2. Removing priority slots so more options can be rolled into duos (if any of your cores (strike/special/cast/dash are empty, then 1 slot is dedicated to be a core boon, and if it’s a zeus/athena/artemis/poseidon boon, their status effect boon has a 50% chance to take a priority slot)

[turbid needle]

get divine dash, then you just hold attack to apply a lot of doom then dash through the enemy to cash it in instantly, it's ridiculously strong

[weak zenith]

chaos can give higher duo and legendary chance?

[plain river]

The favour boons that increase your odds at a rare boon also boost epic and legendary chance

[weak zenith]

wait what god keepsakes give duo and legendary chance lol

[plain river]

the god keepsakes

[weak zenith]

by how much is the increase

[plain river]

I just told you

all the sources of additional duo/legendary are +10%

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1495286210183168180/image.png?ex=69ed9a4d&is=69ec48cd&hm=7a8c1f20cc9d169ff5d55fde4e00bed768dd3ae5da434a312e161e187e43d0d1&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1477&height=932&

[weak zenith]

oh

[plain river]

the pos one only works for pos boons, the artemis one only for artemis boons, etc

[weak zenith]

ig ive been sleeping on the chaos rarity boon

[plain river]

Essentially if something gives boosted rarity, then it gives +10% epic and +10% duo/legendary as well

exclusive access doesn’t but it sets the minumum rarity to epic anyways

[turbid needle]

can you show the code for warden boons

[plain river]

Don’t have my laptop open atm

I only have that screenshot because someone asked me about it the other day

I’d have to hunt down whichever file references the miniboss rewards

[turbid needle]

it just feels strange that the duo chance would go from 12% base down to 10% on a warden boon

[plain river]

since this is in trait data which is specifically hammer/boon/keepsake info

like the extent of my looking at the files is trait data and every other file I could conceivably think of that could explain the double-strike bug ngl

I’m kind of certain I know what the issue is for it at this point

[turbid needle]

then how are you confident about the duo chance on a warden boon?

[plain river]

It’s the number I’ve got from all the people more skilled than me at the game

[turbid needle]

maybe it's 12%+10%, not 10%

[plain river]

Could be

I’ll take a look later

[turbid needle]

thanks

because I thought it was exactly the same as in H2, go to wardens for your duos

but if it's the other way around, it actually changes everything

[plain river]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 10% in the first game to show off the minimum rarity of rare and then they went “huh maybe it’d be a good idea to make them boost your duo odds as well” when making the second with more experience

[turbid needle]

I mean, if what you're saying is true, then I shouldn't waste my dice re-rolling warden boons, that will be good to know

[plain river]

If you’re rolling with base odds then I’d care, if you have any legendary chance boosts it really doesn’t matter

[turbid needle]

yeah I have Gods Legacy from the mirror which is +10% chance

[limber stirrup]

Just maxed rama bow. Was thinking what build would be good for it.

Was thinking artemis attack and dio on special. Pair with poseidon or athena dash.

What is your Guys go to build for rama?

[plain river]

Normally zeus special -> artemis or aphrodite strike, then twin or triple shot hammers >> point blank/ perfect / sometimes explosive shot > relentless volley > pretty much everything else

Grab chaos strike and dash-strike damage

[limber stirrup]

That sounds nice as well. Im trying that out as well. Bolt addition to zeus special would be sweet

[jolly chasm]

Wrong channel, please keep h2 discussion to that channel

[analog mauve]

Aspect of what

[wide shadow]

Oh my bad

[jolly chasm]

Don’t forget to delete the message for spoiler reasons btw

[wide shadow]

How is it spoiler?

[jolly chasm]

Some people haven’t played h2 yet

[wide shadow]

Oh ye alr

[jolly chasm]

Ty!

[spring canyon]

Does Aphroditie-Posideon Duo boon (More potent poms of power) affect Persephone's keepsake's upgrades?

[tight basin]

no

[spring canyon]

What about the ones that give 2 levels in the Temple of Styx or bought from Charon?

[tight basin]

that's just +1

so 3 levels isntead of 2

it doesn't double pom power, it's just +1

[spring canyon]

Do Sturdy effects stack? Like if I'm dash attacking and I have one thing that makes my attack sturdy and one that makes dash sturdy, do I get 60% damage resistance?

[tight basin]

i wouldn't think so bc the damage reduction is coming from you gaining a buff

like you have 30% damage reduction bc of sturdy, not sturdy bc of the damage reduction yaknow

[spring canyon]

Does Charon's keepsake increase the legnth of Patrocalus's gifts?

[frank goblet]

it does not

[analog mauve]

wow did a damageless heros at 50 rama with controller

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1497675121517793503/tzjrpnf.png?ex=69ee6226&is=69ed10a6&hm=e3cd695bb2c2dd13698cf3f2a1f8ff3fd2a32a5b6eb0b5d1047d13b7673403b4&

blackout drunk

does driving make drinking fun or is it the other way around

This is builds and combat

[plain river]

K so I found it for upgraded shop boons which for every other intent and purpose afaik are identical to miniboss boons

and it's duo/legend 10%, epic 25%, rare 100%

I'm going to keep hunting through the files

[turbid needle]

lame, thanks anyway, appreciate it!

but tbh, this makes Gods Legacy even more important then

idk why you told that guy to not pick it over Pride

maybe you're just so used to high heat you never take duos anyway

[plain river]

erebus is 10% duo/legend, 25% epic and 90% rare

[plain river]

duos are already pretty consistent, and pride means your build is going to be strong overall where legacy only means you find your duo easier

[turbid needle]

yeah but duo is the build, you either have ME or you don't, having a bit stronger Doom doesn't matter if you never get the duo

[plain river]

yes but it makes you stronger on the runs where you do hit, so your speedrun goes faster or you're more likely to clear your high heat run

[turbid needle]

see, these are all speedrun/high heat strats

[plain river]

even at a low level, it means the runs where you are hitting your duo you are strong and more likely to clear

stronger*

[turbid needle]

also, pretty sure Haelian always plays with Legacy, Legacy + Persuasion basically guarantee you get your duo

[plain river]

see I'm coming from the angle that ball knowledge gets you your duos without need for legacy or persuasion

ME is like the edge case where the build is so demanding

that you might want it

but you sacrifice like a full third off your final doom damage to get it

by throwing the epic chance

[modern bluff]

Hi all! Playing Hades2 since ps5 release last week. Playing a couple aspects around 40 pain but looking for strats/builds for other weapons 🙂

[plain river]

#h2-builds-and-combat

this one is for Hades 1

[modern bluff]

Oops! My bad

[plain river]

it happens dw

[turbid needle]

you always start with a god keepsake, that already has a boosted epic chance, so you will likely get your main core boon with epic rarity

[plain river]

ely minibosses have this same override on the default odds

[plain river]

it's already decently likely but it really ensures it, plus the bonus to the epic odds for chaos and hermes is always massive regardless of the build tbh

since they have nerfed base odds and their boons have so much value

even if you don't want to count the regular boons you'll be getting from every single god being that much better

[turbid needle]

okay, now Hermes and Chaos make sense, because I only get white boons from Hermes like 90% of the time

[plain river]

it's like an overarching buff to your build strength versus some consistency which I don't think the consistency is worth it if it's a) not that hard to get duos decently consistently and b) every component of your build is going to be a tad weaker

[turbid needle]

I'll still keep Legacy though, getting splitting bolt basically every run I take Zeus is huge

[plain river]

I have a full propaganda photostrip somewhere of me getting like 3-5 duos with pride on and most builds only care about 1 duo max anyways

on a bunch of runs

there are so many ways to boost your duos/legend odds

[turbid needle]

if you play with a limited number of boons (high heat) then ofc it makes sense to get higher rarity boons, but most people will do better with Legacy I'd say

[plain river]

if you're hunting a specific legendary I think it gains a ton of value

since you get like half the boons to be able to find the legendary vs you finding a boon between 2 gods

and they have secondary requirements you need to meet first which means you have even less boons to hit on

[turbid needle]

I used to play a lot of sea storm builds, and I would get the duo + splitting bolt pretty consistently with Legacy

[plain river]

I recently really started playing zag and eris rail way more so the only real options I even care about are like splitting bolt, maybe smouldering air

lightning rod if I ever turn infernal soul back on

but I like my slightly better hermes odds with stygian

since infernal soul has 2 secondary boons attached to it but stygian only has 1, the total amount of boons being picked from is slightly smaller

for more consistent hyper sprint -> rush delivery

[turbid needle]

fair enough, everyone's playstyle is different

[plain river]

lemme think here I can probably list off a bunch of builds where the only real pitfall is worse hermes and chaos odds but you'd want legacy for scaling

hangover strike or special builds come to mind first

they're pretty duo hungry and epic chance isn't really a massive factor when you're dumping every pom on hangover

and you're going to want low tolerance (aphro/dio), maybe curse of nausea (dio/ares) through curse of vengeance (the other prereqs open curse of longing and you don't want that), Sweet Nectar (aphrodite + poseidon) for high value poms on hangover, and maybe if you hit zeus call smouldering air

so like your core would be dio/aphro and you maybe find ares/zeus/pos

could also grab artemis for splitting headache that's an option

[analog mauve]

this in incredibly niche and shouldnt be considered

[plain river]

there's a number of different configurations here which end up with a decent amount of duos for you to actually want legacy

[limber stirrup]

Hey i just unlocked beowolf. Seen people swear by it. Ive been using zeus shield is beowolf worth maxing abd maining as shield build?

[plain river]

beowulf is worth it, but it doesn't really need the levels to do the job

the bulk of your damage is coming from the casts

it's the speed shield vs zeus being the high-heat shield

either is going to work well, they just have their own niche

[limber stirrup]

Is it a cast build? Ive not gotten into that. Tried hera bow but wasnt feeling it. I love rama bow now

[plain river]

yeah

it lets you load your casts into the rush like with hera, but it changes all the casts so they're aoes at the point of impact

[limber stirrup]

I think im not just built for casting play

[plain river]

cast builds are night and day when using a cast-focused aspect vs not

tbf

[rotund sluice]

Achilles is my favourite castpect

[limber stirrup]

Going for my first arthur run. What are things to look out for ?

[turbid needle]

Aphrodite attack is the most important

this way you apply weak, and then you cast the aura, and you can basically tank the final boss

try to get the Heart Rend duo though

[smoky swallow]

Heart rend when you barely even have crit chance is truly one of the suggestions of all time

Cause like... what're you gonna do with heart rend against a single target and only like 4% crit chance if you even manage to get pressure points

[zenith fractal]

pp opens hunter's mark; once you crit once you can expect to crit repeatedly with multiple enemies on the field

definitely suboptimal unless you're playing an aspect with inbuilt crit or have an aphrodite crit-core you're often using though.

[turbid needle]

hunter's mark, and Arthur crits for like 7k, so it's always worth it

[open moth]

Just because it crits for 7k doesn't mean it's good. The low probability of hitting it makes the effective damage output increase garbo

No offense but what you're saying is comparable to saying lottery tickets are a net win because the maximum prize is in the millions

[plain river]

It’s nowhere close to 7k in practice either

[open moth]

yeah I was about to say, most of my builds only hit like 1-2k

iirc

been a bit

[plain river]

You’d need well into the 700-800% additive with heart rend

[open moth]

but def not 7k

[analog mauve]

and 7k is overkill anyway

[plain river]

It’s just like 1/25 hits deal as much damage as hitting that enemy 3 times like

Hunter’s mark is really pulling the weight here

[worn solar]

Just get smair

[tulip temple]

Which aspects should i get?

[plain river]

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents improve it)
Spear: achilles (solid at level 1, but vastly improves with more more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

and you might as well pick up all the hidden aspects aside from fists

shield and bow in particular are strong

[tulip temple]

I read somewhere i need to unlock hidden aspect of spear to unlock others

How do i do thay

[plain river]

you need 5 aspects across all your weapons

and then keep chatting with Achilles

pinned in #h1-story-discussion is the explanation for each aspect, the ones after spear should be pretty similiar except for which npc you need to talk to

[tulip temple]

Aight ty for the help

Also how does the auto shoot work with aspect of rama

[plain river]

It doesn’t

You cannot get it

[tulip temple]

So daedelus upgrade is disabled ?

[plain river]

aspects just disable any hammers that don’t work for them so you cannot find them

that goes for regular aspects and hidden aspects

[tulip temple]

Oh damn

I was counting on it

For the bow

[plain river]

You just need to dash-strike like the other bows to make it work really

It’s just heavier

so the charge time is still going to be longer than base bow even though you’re dash-striking

[tulip temple]

Aight ill try that

Also how do i get more titan blood

Apart from bounties

[plain river]

Have you cleared yet?

Like in total you get 252 of the 306 you need from bounties

The rest should come from prophecies, fishing in the overworld, buying from styx and trading resources at the trade broker in the lounge

I think you get another 40 from prophecies total so it only ends up being like maybe 14 that you outsource to the other places

[turbid needle]

2 blood per run + 1 one more sometimes at the final shop (but costs 1k+) + 1 more if you catch a certain surface fish
also some from prophecies and you can trade ambrosia for blood but I don't recommend it because ambrosia is even more rare

[plain river]

ambrosia is even more rare but you get more than enough of it for everything

[turbid needle]

companions alone need 60 ambrosia though

[tulip temple]

Wait how, i thought it was once per weapon for meg and hades

[turbid needle]

raise heat

[plain river]

Have you cleared yet?

[tulip temple]

Yes i cleared once but havent played after it

[plain river]

Using the pact of punishment refreshes them up to 20 heat

So you effectively get 21 x the bounties per weapon

0-20

[tulip temple]

Oh damn, i really need to try and find good combos and stuff

[turbid needle]

you can raise heat by 1, it will be like the same difficulty, barely any different

up to 10 heat is basically all free

[plain river]

You’re bound to get better builds and play better a) by playing more and b) by just asking around here

[tulip temple]

Oh, what are some useful boons that i should pick? The only boon im confident with picking rn is doom thingy from ares

[turbid needle]

depends on the weapon/aspect

[plain river]

I mean the effectiveness of a given strike/special boon really varies on the weapon and aspect

the only real universal stuff is tidal dash and zeus/dio aid

[tulip temple]

Ive seen many people say that whichever weapon suits us best is the one i should make my build around but how do i identify which weapon suits me

So far all are kinda similar and different

[turbid needle]

eh, I'll take divine dash over tidal

[tulip temple]

But i dont either like or dislike any

[plain river]

you take tidal and divine for different reasons it’s not really comparable

they’re both good

[turbid needle]

you should learn to play all weapons, just pick whichever dark thirst lands on and go with it

[plain river]

I’m just biased for tidal as a speed player

[tulip temple]

I like the one where i surf around with shield

[plain river]

pos aid? It’s pretty decent

like

[turbid needle]

that one is not very good IMO, you lose DPS for a couple seconds of invulnerability, it's okay with sea storm I guess

[plain river]

You lose dps but it actually gives you some solid damage to be fair

It’s not ares where you just lose dps outright

[turbid needle]

I like Athena's call the best, you become invulnerable but keep your usual moveset so you can just tank the boss for a bit then back off

[plain river]

Just use them all

Nothing stops you from learning how to build and use all of them

[turbid needle]

yeah it's not like an RPG where you have to commit to a build, everything resets each run

[tulip temple]

Oh lol

But i really struggled with elysium

Either minotaur or when im bombarded with those archer and shield mobs

Styx isnt an issue tho

I think i gotta start using cast

[turbid needle]

Elysium is a build check, you need to be able to kill the enemies relatively fast or you'll get overwhelmed

do you have boiling blood unlocked? it's +50% damage to enemies with a bloodstone stuck in them

[tulip temple]

No wonder I struggled with shield there, i was using special with doom effect before that

[turbid needle]

this is why you pretty much always spam casts on bosses, even if boonless

[tulip temple]

Yeah but i forget to use cast almost every single time

The only reason i escaped was due to twinshot bow with that autofire thingy

Stupid damage

[plain river]

Lowkey casting isn’t really that crucial

[tulip temple]

Yeah but the damage buff is nice isnt it

[plain river]

You just want to lodge a cast in the tankier enemies

if it’s not a cast aspect it’s not really for the cast damageP

[limber stirrup]

Honestly i have tried everything but i cant get blown kiss from aphro or rip current from poseidon.

Ive done 20 plus runs for them. I slot in different things in attack special cast call and dash but they just dont drop it even when i re roll

Pasted it from general discussion

[tight basin]

Well blown kiss you need Aphrodite cast first

And rip current you need Poseidon call

That's probably the most glaring issue lmfao

[north karma]

How do i absorb the special from the pew pew gun? i got some eris boon but idk how to utilise it

[analog mauve]

bomb yourself

[open moth]

Yep, just gotta be in the blast radius

[sacred silo]

Oops sorry wrong one

[near quest]

guys ive been grinding with varatha a lot but my runs are kinda cooked i keep dying to minotaur any tips?

been heavy on atherna boons bc of shield

reached hades 2 times total

[plain river]

Are you keeping Asterius on the opposite side of the arena from Theseus so you can take out Asterius without worrying about theseus?

since Theseus can’t target you if you’re on the other side of a pillar from him

[near quest]

ive been killing them both together

...

[plain river]

Good strat is speedrunning bad strat if you are still struggling to win

[plain river]

Then just make a build that nukes them out of orbit

[near quest]

yea that makes sense

k im in asphodel now

alr bone hydra time

PERFECT I STILL GOT ALL 3 DEFIANCES

alright @plain river moment of truth

im testing my nuke build

WHAT

I KILLED THEM WITH NO DEATH DEFIANCE USES

[plain river]

If it takes longer than 15 seconds it didn’t nuke

[plain river]

Sweet

[near quest]

bruh i died to hades

[plain river]

You had 3 defiances dawg

[near quest]

yea thats very sad

[plain river]

It might be time for you to just lock in and learn his attack patterns next time

[near quest]

hades is WAY TOO EVIL

[plain river]

instead of attacking just focus on dodging for a minute or two

Get his attacks down

[near quest]

hmmm good idea

imma shower and grind more

(yes i shower i know SHOCKING)

[near quest]

how do i get aspects btw

@plain river

cus like i used titan blood but no animation or anyth

[plain river]

Wdym

You need all the weapons to unlock the aspects feature

And then once you have an aspect you need to switch over to it from the default zagreus aspect

If that’s what you mean

Or are you talking about hidden aspects

[near quest]

idk

i saw this cool meg animation thingy

what is that

[plain river]

Like in combat?

[near quest]

yea

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1449737975616372736/2025082808014601-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mov?ex=69f88f34&is=69f73db4&hm=ee60e3bd084e96eb7529b78328982ec4fa53c76fceb8fcd2239da66c4d7ec59b&

Like this?

[near quest]

YEA

those

[plain river]

6 of the npcs can give you companions which let you call them down a few times in a run

[near quest]

which npcs

[plain river]

Meg, achilles, dusa, sispyphus, than, skelly

[near quest]

kk thanks

u gotta giv them nectar for companions?

or wht

[plain river]

You need to get them up to their locked hearts, complete their favour to unlock them and then give them an ambrosia

[near quest]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

and how uh do i get ambroisa

last question i promise

[main karma]

Elysium bounty

Or from trading

[near quest]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook

[rotund plume]

I just tried combining executioners chop and hell splitter with thanatos and flutter strike + a bunch of other aphro boons

since Im new to the game Im not sure if its high or not but I did 2000 damage per strike

[zenith fractal]

Wrong hades game, delete here and move to #h2-builds-and-combat

[near quest]

guys my hades has skelly at 6 hearts 7 is locked how do i fix this????

i got no quest either???

[zenith fractal]

play the damn game

the answer to 99% of hades problems including this one

[near quest]

oh ok

[plain river]

Final hearts don’t tell you how to unlock them, 90% of the time it’s talk to them, or an npc they have told you to talk to or have mentioned more

you just have to keep at it

If you’re really struggling with a given npc, their fandom wiki page should have the conditions you need to meet under the “affinity” tab, the conditions are usually called that npcs “favour”

[proper furnace]

Skelly does happen to be one of the most clear ones fwiw

(wait until he gives you a prophecy)

[near quest]

ok thanks guyssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[cold crane]

do u guys know any rlly good aspect of lucifer builds?

[plain river]

If you have a high level (4-5) lucifer, a triple bomb build is your strongest option.
Triple bomb is really consistent on lucifer since it only has 9 hammers, and you can take eternal chamber or concentrated beam for your first hammer to boost your odds of hitting it second hammer even higher.

Usually you start with lightning strike from zeus, it’s just your best option for strike, the chain lightning can activate your bombs to explode them (which is what you want to do). Your next priority is tidal dash from poseidon, and then ideal either aphrodite or artemis special and grab and chaos special additive you can find

You want to throw out your specials and explode them asap

It works really well, it’s like discount cluster bomb + rocket bomb on the default rails but for the price of 1 hammer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1404282483536822423/80F56079-DAF6-43A5-A7E8-46D10EA7F7C2.jpg?ex=69fbf17a&is=69fa9ffa&hm=b6f21f4986e97e607fdbb9481f4b41bf44569b7843dca257073b3558360c640c&

Here you can see a pretty good idea of the secondary boons you want to pick-up and where to prioritise your poms

Although normally you’d put more poms on static discharge (jolted) from zeus

[main karma]

Any builds for bow for aspect of chiron other than zeus lightning spam?

Incase i have bad luck

[plain river]

Aphro strike * artemis or dio are infinitely stronger

[modest forge]

For Guan Yu I’ve seen a lot of builds focusing on special so like why special?

[plain river]

It’s just way safer tbh

especially for your damage output

It’s a really solid special since it’s like having the explosive launcher baked into the weapon (except with way better piercing) and then you just need charged skewer to massively boost your dps

since explosive launcher / charged skewer is already one of your best options on the non-achilles base spears

[minor parrot]

I find it hard to make good builds, does someone know a site, reddit post, etc that has a guide on builds for different weapons and aspects?

[potent tree]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

[weak zenith]

if you have unlocked the book from achilles, and if you dont want to copy a build directly from the guide, is to look at the duo boons and trying to make a build centered around that

merciful end is a good one to try, duo for athena and ares, read the discription, what boons you need to unlock it and see if you can make a build out of it

[clear jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876879098532741130/1503813325690241054/Clip_-_5122026_13656_PM.mp4?ex=6a04b6cc&is=6a03654c&hm=310be11fb16294e6d88a40e71e3d41e481af7b0c46e231fd7decdc2e05524647&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876879098532741130/1503948419910205611/2026052.JPG?ex=6a05349d&is=6a03e31d&hm=da6936078b25ae35c8f311d07b0d19f5c8762cdb018d3ced2958c006961ad653&

delete key

[prime fossil]

is there a guide on how to fight each enemy like if i steal gold form the boatman

[tight basin]

afaik no not really

a lot of it is just trial and error

[spare junco]

you should always borrow charons gold and because he likes you so much he will give you a special loyalty card to make everything 20% less expensive for the rest of the run so you can enjoy the money you borrowed from him

[zenith fractal]

actually, wild that there is no charon fight guide. given the existance of loyalty card, one would think that it exists.

[plain river]

IGN incoming

[modest forge]

is there any builds that work really well in 32 heat?

[plain river]

Short answer: Yes, a fair amount.

Long answer: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

32 heat is still early enough that you can get away with a lot

[prime fossil]

I have a confession. I finally know how ME works. I thought for the longest time that I need to deflect to activate me

[sharp tendon]

I guess its cuz I was taking Hades aspect for a run but man...
I hate spear

[potent tree]

It's because spears are long like your adorable turtlenecked giraffe neck, isn't it?

[prime fossil]

Ok so I am doing a fresh run. What should my priorities be in unlocking everything

[plain river]

olympian god keepsakes are the big one first tbh

and work orders from the housing contractor that just give you more resources or new ways to get resources speed up your unlocks

talk to everyone as much as possible and gift them all when you can

[prime fossil]

As for the mirror

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1388201152436244691/image.png?ex=6a0b4492&is=6a09f312&hm=b4965f427294413d3f4d0b588ad8df3c84e6f0d3c7b9f8244312490d8ae76a51&

I made this for the back half a while ago

of the mirror

first half you want greater reflex and your death defiances pretty quick

I hope the red/green key on the left makes sense?

[prime fossil]

Red = purple correct

[plain river]

yeah

If you wanna call it purple

[prime fossil]

It’s what the icon color looks like

[plain river]

Yeah I was going off the text ngl

Purple side makes sense too for icons

[tight basin]

i've always thought it was red lmao

#e1594e

that might be the hex

i pulled that off of my guide which iirc color dropped it from a screenshot of the mirror lmao

[plain river]

A lot of the initial stuff is going to be preference aside from death defiance and greater reflex

[tight basin]

RGB is 225, 88, 78 so def not purple passing lmao

although if you go by icons then yeah it's def purple

[sharp tendon]

You would think that would make me like the spear more actually but spear sucks

Though I guess I should just never touch Hades aspect again cuz I have a skill issue in regards to dodge timing and spin timing

[tight basin]

tbf hades aspect isn't considered a good spear lmao

[modest forge]

I've never really seen the appeal for aspect of zeus, but i've seen a lot of people use it and call it the best aspect, how and why is it so good? Im struggling on 32 heat and its kinda like a last resort

[zenith fractal]

with the proper combo, you becomes basically unkillable

you have bullrush iframes over 50% of the time with the standard combo

[tight basin]

What's your pact and build btw that might be making it harder for you

[void pilot]

Infinite ammo hammer + Zeus attack makes it so powerful

[plain river]

Aspect of Zeus is a shield it doesn’t have Delta Chamber

[void pilot]

Oh I confused it with the aspect of Lucifer

Someone cleared a 64 heat run with the aspect of Zeus: https://youtu.be/5L7_3MrG_08?si=9cXCIBt2L4hHdtrz

[lucid oar]

angelic the goat

[zenith fractal]

three people actually. two with zeus, one with rama

also bruh why are we posting a reaction video and not the original run's vod

[void pilot]

I learned it from this video. I don't know the original video

[modest forge]

I've only done one build with it, it was like 3 heat lol I just wanna know why it's good and how to use it

[zenith fractal]

the short answer: you become unkillable and have a pretty low build-requirement

the long answer: special -> dashstrike -> charge a short bullrush -> recall special during the bullrush to catch it. repeat ad infinitum (this is the combo you'll see in most high-heat zeus runs). your build consists of a zeus special, static discharge, some poms on the aforementioned two, and perhaps a few more zeus boons. that's it.

[sharp tendon]

I still main Aspect of Zeus and never switched out from it even after becoming more comfortable than my beginner days
its got a pretty solid base

I also find it extremely handy when the poison in the styx temple gets too dense in certain unlucky cases because the constantly-damaging floating shield disk gets the rats for me when they're standing in a 5-puddle poison spot

[wide thunder]

aspect of zeus is by far the easiest aspect in the game just because of the blocking

its the only shield that lets you continue to get damage while actively blocking

you can play super defensively on low heat

and when timer 3 is around it does insane damage too

[wise smelt]

Any tips for using the bow?

[plain river]

you should be dash-striking the vast majority of your shots

if not all of them

dash-strikes on bow work the same way as other weapons, you dash and hit the strike button mid-dash, but you still need to hold to charge because it’s bow

It just charges way faster (50% faster)

[frank goblet]

The leading cause of dissatisfaction with bow is standing-striking-itus. It's the bane of new players picking up bow for the first time.

Symptoms of standing-striking-itus may include:

• Feelings that bow isn't a fast enough weapon
• Emotional (and physical damage) due to your attacks getting interrupted by enemies
• Feelings that bow has "low damage output"

Is what's happening to me normal?

It's very common for first time bow users and even long term Hades fans to experience standing-striking-itus. Roughly 1 in 3 Hades players will experience it within their lifetimes. It can be a long-running, persistent illness if left untreated.

How do I treat standing-striking-itus?

Start dash-striking when you use bow. Dash striking on bow acts just like a regular strike, but it charges 50% faster, and deals 66% of the base damage.
This allows bow to play far more aggressively, thanks to increased mobility and decreased gaps in damage. Dash strikes also benefit from dash-strike damage boosts, sourced from Artemis's Hunter Dash, and Chaos's Lunge boons, allowing for even higher damage scaling. When you wrap everything up, you end up with a safer, faster, and higher damaging package than what you had before, and this is usually sufficient treatment for 95% of standing-striking-itus sufferers.

-Dr Shackle

[wise smelt]

Oh I'm definitely afflicted by the stand-striking-itus

[wise smelt]

Oh also is investing in Athena's buffs worth it or should I just go for other build styles like Aphrodite / Dionysus combo

[plain river]

Whatever build you go for, you’re going to want to grab boons from 4 regular olympian (aka anyone but Chaos and Hermes), since after that point regular boons can only be from the 4 you’ve taken from (so you go from boons being randomly generated as any of the 8 gods to only the 4 you have in your godpool)

Athena is a pretty decent option for the 3rd or 4th god of a given build if she isn’t the focus

Because she has a decent amount of really defensive boons that don’t really care about what you’re using

[weak zenith]

What are possible side effects from this treatment

[zenith fractal]

loss of dash iframes

[weak zenith]

What about diarrhea

[zenith fractal]

nope

[potent tree]

Tryharditis

[shut fjord]

What are the best aspects for the bow and fists?

[plain river]

Hera for speed and Rama for heat, but you can’t really go wrong with zagbow either.

Fists is just demeter

Also before 50ish heat you can use Hera just fine, it just really suffers from damage control and routine inspection

[tight basin]

Hera is more like 40ish

[shut fjord]

…so I have trouble beating the game normally lol. What would you recommend?

[plain river]

Hera if you’re fine with doing a little cast management (and remapping cast, at least if you play on controller). If you’re like me and you don’t like spamming in your casts during your strike charges, zag bow is still a really solid option

[shut fjord]

How does Hera work? Does whatever cast you have just hit the target of the bow instead of being launched normally?

[plain river]

Chiron is also there for easy bow wins without really playing bow since it’s got a rather low skill floor, as you can avoid really learning how to strike/dash-strike by specialing

[plain river]

Sort of?

Lets go with “yeah”

I think there can be a little travel time but it’s pretty much instant

And loading casts takes 0 time, you can do it whenever, even while charging the bow

So it essentially lets you both strike and cast at the same time

[shut fjord]

Does this mean that you can apply two different boon effects (like Doom and Chain Lightning, say) in one shot?

[plain river]

Yeah

So priv status can work

[plain river]

Bow is a little too fast relative to its base damage to really make good usage of doom on strike tbh

wouldn’t really recommend it on any of the bows

[shut fjord]

That was a hypothetical pairing lol

What are some good Doom builds?

[plain river]

There’s really just 1 main one that kinda trumps everything else you could do with doom

ad works on pretty much every melee weapon

the Ares/Athena duo Merciful End causes enemies that have doom to immediately take the damage when hit with a deflecting ability. This duo was too strong when you could just make it with Curse of Agony (Ares strike) and Divine Dash (Athena Dash), so they nerfed the consistency by tightening the Athena requirements to only be Divine Strike/Flourish.

So it’s pretty much just ares strike + athena special for the duo, but then you take divine dash to abuse the duo

then all your dash-strikes both inflict doom and immediately deflect

mix in some impending doom or hyper sprint -> rush delivery for more doom damage

[shut fjord]

So like Fists or something on this build?

Or does it not matter?

[plain river]

Any melee weapon works

rail would be fine as well

[shut fjord]

It would be fun on Rail too

What aspects for both weapons?

[plain river]

the other case where you’d want doom is like Curse of Vengeance (the Ares revenge boon) being a prerequisite for the Curse of Nausea duo between Ares and Dionysus which speeds up your hangover ticks. Hangover builds usually reserve their other strike/special for aphrodite for weak so it just lets them get away with that for double the hangover duos

[plain river]

demeter (all work this is just the most effective really) for fists, and either zagrail or eris for rail

Eris is going to be stronger but zag can do it just fine as well

[shut fjord]

Thanks!

[plain river]

I saw the chiron question as I was setting down before I drove home, it’s not really that effective on chiron special to be honest

it’s more effective just throwing it on the regular bow specials than chiron tbh since that actually has aoe

To hit multiple enemies if you’re just trying to throw some extra damage sources on a build

Chiron is pretty effective when you play into the multi-hits by inflicting a ton of hangover stacks, or if you play into the massive amounts of base damage you can output by hitting the 2 real special hammers by throwing some +% special damage in with artemis or aphrodite

[shut fjord]

I used this build and finally beat the game for the first time! Thank you!

[shut fjord]

How do the Talos and Demeter fists compare? I've heard that the Demeter fists are more effective, but I think the Talos ones might fit my playstyle a bit better.

[plain river]

If you’re not trying to make a cast build, demeter is going to be more effective tbh

[shut fjord]

Thanks!

[grim parcel]

im a bit confused with the final aspect of all the weapons. at first i though that it was that i had to compleate the game. Done that,no aspect anyone know whats going on?

[zenith fractal]

put 5+ blood into non-zag aspects of the weapon. spear's hidden aspect is a requirement for the rest of the hiddens, so start with that one. once that's done, just keep playing and it'll eventually happen.

[prime fossil]

what can i build that will help me with the ||butterfly achievement||

[weak parcel]

Finally unlocked all hidden aspects (ended up pumping a lvl into zag's fists and bow and got the prompts.) Now to clear with them xD

[shut fjord]

How does Chiron compare to Hera for the bow?

[tight basin]

basically the worst aspect vs one of the best aspects lmao

chiron's really easy to play/build bc it's very intuitive, but it lacks any amount of aoe, terrible in styx, and the special animation is incredibly long

meanwhile hera just blows up anything that isn't a boss basically

has surprising aoe and you're not really required to actually get a power shot off since most of your damage is coming from your cast, so min charge shots are pretty ideal

[plain river]

Highkey hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby but don’t let that stop you from using chiron like

You’ll still have a good time I think

It’s really popular for a reason even if it’s not the most effective weapon

[jolly chasm]

Important note: Hera also blows up bosses

It is the second fastest bossing weapon

[shut fjord]

Cool, thank you!

[shut fjord]

What's the fastest?

[jolly chasm]

Beo

[frank goblet]

doesnt lucifer have some bossing record splits?

[jolly chasm]

No

None that I am aware of at least

[tight basin]

true but for like the avg player who isn't speedrunning hera can be a bit of a pain

[jolly chasm]

True, I still feel like it will do better than most others for new players as well tho

[potent tree]

Takes some coordination to load & shoot

[plain river]

loading casts into Beo and Hera might be the leading cause of arthrytis in Hades speedrunners

[jolly chasm]

Might I introduce you to the one, the only, aspect of Achilles?

[shut fjord]

Dumb question: is it possible to make a build entirely around dashing into enemies? I realized that the Aspect of Zeus special doesn’t actually catch up to you if you keep dashing, which made me realize that you could keep running away from it and deal damage with it to any enemies you pass.

[plain river]

Tidal dash is a massive enabler for this

[shut fjord]

I figured as such

What other boons would you take?

[frank goblet]

(i forgot the name) the extra dashes boon from hermes

[shut fjord]

Greatest Reflex?

[frank goblet]

yuh

[shut fjord]

Sea Storm would also be good, right?

I can take the Zeus special too

[plain river]

Sea Storm got the Merciful End treatment

You can’t get it with only tidal dash

[plain river]

Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery or Greatest Reflex from hermes whichever you can get your hands on

to be honest aphrodite is really nice for sweet nectar for double poms on tdash

breaking wave and razor shoals are big secondaries from poseidon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1409916817421504664/F74DBAE8-A386-4BCE-9947-7601852A0E4B.jpg?ex=6a15b6dc&is=6a14655c&hm=5465c26a234acebcf467365eb36dcc58e8f0f66c43e9e556fa6ec7f944959590&

Sweet nectar propaganda

[shut fjord]

But I can take something else to become eligible, then spam the one that didn’t make me eligible (like Merciful End), right?

[plain river]

Yeah

[shut fjord]

Level 16 💀

[shut fjord]

Did you dash-strike or just dash?

[plain river]

I was dash-striking here since I was going for speed tbh

like

if you boil it down everything that isn’t a cast build for speed is either a dash-strike build or a build that does a ton of dash-strikes

for speed

[plain river]

the focus on tidal dash was just significantly higher here than other similair builds because Hades aspect lowkey sucks

But I like to play every aspect so I have to make it work

[plain river]

if you want to do a dash only build, not dash-strikes, you can use tidal dash but you also have slicing shot and dio as options tbh

[shut fjord]

Blade dash, you mean?

[plain river]

like tidal dash is #1 damaging dash and blade is definitely second but then dio also has scaling potential which means it’s far better than the other 5 for this purpose

Since all it really needs is like poms and curse of nausea

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1005498087466336266/IMG_2030.jpg?ex=6a15bc91&is=6a146b11&hm=f403a3535505b9b5a2d6a1877a1a2c996c7fe3d346af5ab1be44f081347f5f41&format=webp&width=1784&height=1083&

eg.

man this is old

[plain river]

Yep

[jolly chasm]

pash dash is also pretty good for crit builds

and hunter dash has its places

[plain river]

great for the normal builds, not that applicable for dash-only

[jolly chasm]

yeah, hunter dash is not exactly the best for dash only lmao

[plain river]

speaking of dashes, I wonder how strong it would be if blade dash got affected by hunting blades

I wonder how hard that would actually be to implement

It’s probably like a 1 line change in trait data

[shut fjord]

What do Hera builds usually look like?

[tight basin]

crush shot from aphrodite and snow burst from demeter and that's more or less it

[little shuttle]

I have a very unconventional Hera build but it works really well

[shut fjord]

Thank you!

[shut fjord]

What is it?

[little shuttle]

It mostly revolves around crystal beam, support fire, bad news, crystal clarity and point-blank shot (Daedalus hammer)
Really doesn't need Hera though, could be used with Beowulf or Achilles, but Achilles doesn't seem to work as well

Crystal beam, bad news, and crystal clarity are the main source of damage
Point-blank shot is for some quick and easy damage
Support fire is mostly for when loading the casts and spam firing
Hera or Beowulf works the best for a large burst of damage and makes it easier to stay on target

I try to get exclusive access early for some better core boons

@shut fjord

[shut fjord]

Thank you!

[little shuttle]

Some people here might think this build is pretty bad but I personally think it does really well especially at Heat 20 and below, after that it gets harder to win with but thats mostly because this build focuses on doing major damage to a select few targets rather than hordes

[tight basin]

beowulf can't get beams lmao

and also like

it literally works best on achilles bc you get 150% bonus damage from it??

and then doing it on hera is just like playing bad zag bow bc you dont get the crit chance

[tight basin]

beams is prob like the least good out of the good builds that exist but it certainly isn't like bad. anything kinda works below 32 heat more or less and beams is very doable, esp on achilles

[shut fjord]

Is Talos or Demeter better at low blood? I know Demeter is better at high blood.

I'm trying to decide which to unlock to qualify for the Aspect of Guan Yu and therefore all of the other hidden aspects.

[tall dove]

Git gud

[turbid needle]

http://prntscr.com/ls45ly

Boi

+18 hp every room

[dire cedar]

I only played a little last night, but I liked shield lobbing all day.

[twin stream]

Spear + Faster Repeat Dash + More Damage On Dash Attack = Clear rooms in like 2 swings

[pastel jolt]

Shield + Chain-Lightning Attack = GOOD

[rancid sundial]

Shield + Reflect Damage Boost = shred floor 1 up to the boss

[rich lantern]

@tall dove with the top tactic 😂

[turbid needle]

pin it

[turbid needle]

shild is maybe a little OP XD

[tall dove]

Ayy

[hushed ledge]

Spear=win

Spear and shield are both super strong

[rich lantern]

Too strong?!

That's the real question hehe

[hushed ledge]

Id say yes

[exotic hazel]

Spear nah, shield maybe

[hushed ledge]

Spears mini-stuns are silly

And being able to dash in a charge attack is insane

[exotic hazel]

Ah, didnt know you could move during charge

[hushed ledge]

You can't, but if it's charged and you dash, it activates where you dash to

[ripe pulsar]

A lot of people need to find strategies and things in the game now, it is fun to read ^-^

[hushed ledge]

And the spear also has good ranged attack, and also a pretty nice melee range

It's not as dumb as the shield

But it's still too strong

Bow is awful

Sword wants it's animation timer reduced

So you don't have as much downtime

[slim crane]

So anyone got any tips for Meg

[heady sparrow]

shield with athena blessing armor i was able to get to boss of floor 2

sheild is most OP

[copper berry]

Just dodge 4Head

but for real you just dodge her dash and then punish after

[dire cedar]

This is definitely SuperGiant's most difficult game yet.

[crimson halo]

what makes you say that, nana?

[copper berry]

Guys would you be willing to watch my strim and help me with my gameplay there? I figure itd also be easier to discuss boons/tactics when you can actually watch the gameplay at the same time

[crimson halo]

Sure- there's a limit to what I can say though, since I haven't actually gotten my hands on the game yet

I wonder if there's a way to bait enemies into the mines?

or just any other way to set them off

[dire cedar]

@crimson halo Bast/Trans games you could finish within four hours even with all of the difficulty modifiers. (though I could not get far in the dream world in Bastion with all of the gods). The difficulty of transistor for me came from far-inferior weapon combinations that I chose for lore reasons. This game just starts at a higher difficulty, especially with the lack of healing. Then again, I only played for a little while last night. Maybe when I get more permanent boons it'll be easier.

[copper berry]

if you are interested in watching and talking, its www.twitch.tv/dinosaurus @slim crane I am about to fight meg if you wanna watch and see if yhou can get anything from it

[slim crane]

sure

[crimson halo]

@dire cedar I wonder if regularly dying is a key element given the setup

at least, that the impression I get from the trailer

@copper berry sure, but I also wouldn't put it past SGG for that to put more into that element than that

or maybe I'm just a lore fiend, lol

[pastel jolt]

i mean, it's all structured around the idea of dying and dying and dying and slowly amassing power and playing through differently each time because of the different paths and whatnot

[rancid sundial]

Ok, after messing around a bit in level 2, while shield is good I don't think it's op

since there's the tradeoff with needing to plan your jumps to avoid dashing into the lava

[hushed ledge]

the myrmidon bracer is pretty useless

because the collar is more ehp even if you always get the 20% dr

[crimson halo]

whoops, lol

[dire cedar]

@crimson halo Yes, it definitely is. It's interesting that certain "checkpoints" where we get more lore usually come from completing a level, but in this game a lot of that happens after you fail, die, and return home.

[wise spear]

Counterpoint to dashing into lava. Because of how strong its attack and deflection are, you don't have to use the dash.

Especially if you were able to get the increased Deflection Damage of Daedalus

[crimson halo]

RIP Dino

lol

seconds after you said it was easy, lol

honestly though, I think that fits in with the way the game is setup

not sure what to say about all the boons <-- don't know them

[hard holly]

Well, turns out Aphrodite has some of the best potential upgrades

Got a 70% damage amplifier on everything on weakened enemies

Turns out, stacks multiplicatively with other bonuses

[crimson halo]

yikes

[stone oyster]

what are ppl's takes on the bow

[hard holly]

Yeah, my Spear throws were ridiculous

[gray widget]

first completed run i had was with shield with 300% damage and aphrodites multiplicative bonuses, killed hydra in like 5 hits

[hard holly]

Meg was really easy with that

I just died on Hydra

Is that the end of this current build?

[gray widget]

it is

[twin stream]

hydra is current end?

[hard holly]

Huh, that was fast then

Guess it really is pretty far from complete

[crimson halo]

scary stuff

[twin stream]

yeah and i always though aphrodite was trash till i got that amplify damage thing

putting that on the 6 shot cast turns that thing into a shot gun

[stone oyster]

posidon is glorious with the bow

[crimson halo]

@copper berry have to run, but I'll be around in a few hours if you're still playing

[gray widget]

i also had artemis' 100% crit for 1 sec after dash

[hard holly]

Thats also really good

Makes the spear into a room-clearing machine

[hushed ledge]

Yeah

Dash spins with that are nuts

[stone oyster]

still havn't met artimis

possibly because she's always behind the damn twin skeletons fight

[copper berry]

ive gotten artemis at the start

[rich lantern]

One day her favor will smile upon you

[wise spear]

I've gotten two Trial of the Gods with both Gods being Artemis and Ares in one attempt

Back to back

[shrewd lantern]

I ended up getting level 2 of the @gray widget , it is really good, crit for 2 seconds after dash for up to 3 hits. Meg got chunked down by also having counter attack damage healing at 60%

[rancid sundial]

do bosses use a random subset of their moves each time you encounter them?

I guess my only example is Meg but I feel like sometimes when I encounter her she does the explosion circles and sometimes she doesn't. Same with the radiant projectiles

[rich lantern]

She should do them all, but with different frequency each time

[fallow barn]

Meg gains new powers at each stage of the fight, not always in the same order!

[rancid sundial]

Ah, I see, that explains it then. Probably a good call to keep the fight varied and to prevent too much of an optimal strategy from dominating the floor.

[untold trellis]

How do people deal with the bomb enemies?

The jumping ones, not the jars

[hushed ledge]

Ranged

Spear throw, sword nova, shield throw, bow shoot

[rancid sundial]

I honestly do a lot of charging back and forth with the shield and I'm fine

you can bounce bombs away and so long as you don't stay in one spot they're not so bad

[hushed ledge]

Or just dive them

[untold trellis]

The fight vs them just always takes sooo long

[hushed ledge]

Are you talking about the boss? If so, dive in, attack, dive out

[rancid sundial]

also try to get one's shield destroyed ASAP so you can push them around and defeat them. When it's just one of them it's easy.

[hushed ledge]

With spear it's not hard to get them both down because you hit them both at once a lot of the time

[rancid sundial]

Same with shield charge, but after charging I normally throw in a bash or two since it takes a sec for the bombs to become a threat

[shrewd lantern]

@bronze pelican Saw you comment in the feedback channel. I would say that the meg fight is easier once you realize you can sidestep her dash and that you don't need to dodge her floor circle attacks

[hushed ledge]

There's also moments of downtime where you can charge up a spin

[shrewd lantern]

It is very similar to dark souls types of bosses, once you know the patterns, it is quite easy to sneak in hits all the time

[untold trellis]

Why don't you need to dodge the floor circles?

[shrewd lantern]

you can run out of them

[bronze pelican]

Thanks for the tip o7

[shrewd lantern]

there is enough time with most of them that if you make a straight line you can run out

[hushed ledge]

Running out of them is dodging

[shrewd lantern]

well not using the dash

sorry

[untold trellis]

I thought you were telling me you could stay in the middle of the circle and not take dmg 😛

lol

[bronze pelican]

I have gotten pretty good at dodging around her in general cos as I said in my feedback post my main strat for her is wittling her down with Dodge Lighning

[shrewd lantern]

also depends on your build, but I have been able to get past her pretty consistently for the past few runs

[bronze pelican]

I've only cleared her once so far, I had some Epic Dodge lightning which kept one shotting the witches in the room, made add control a breeze and wittled her and the other adds down

And I've gotten close two other times but screwed up as things got more hectic in the later stages

[shrewd lantern]

Getting curse and surge is a pretty easy fight for her I found

as well, artemis' crit dodge with increased damage is pretty good as well

[copper berry]

are you talking about for meg?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[copper berry]

so she basically has 5 things she does

charge, easy to see

whip spin, easy to see

the big aoe bullet storm

and then the best ones are when she shoots the pillars under you that blow up

and when she goes to the center of the room to summon mobs

[hushed ledge]

I use the storm and circles to clear adds

[copper berry]

during those 2, she stands still for a ton of time

and you can rack up a ton of dmg on her easily

and if you have 2 dashes you should have an easy time with her charge, you dash once to dodge, then dash back in to hit a bit

[hushed ledge]

It's still easy to rack up damage on her in dash and spin, and it's harder to clean up adds during them

[bronze pelican]

Yeah Meg almost isn't the main problem for me

I can recognise all of her attacks at this point but unless I have certain skills on me I struggle on add control

[copper berry]

i just dash around her and try to ignore the adds in general

[shrewd lantern]

^^

[bronze pelican]

Do they spawn at health intervals or on a timer?

[hushed ledge]

I ignore the adds until she does circles/storm, and then clean up shooty adds

[bronze pelican]

Well if I have the skills I want I kill them off just by dodging around them

[shrewd lantern]

afaik they spawn up to a certain number but then stop, so you won't get the room filled

[bronze pelican]

It's when I don't have those skills I start to struggle to get her below half HP

[shrewd lantern]

I found just kiting them around the room is enough

don't really need to kill them

[bronze pelican]

Yeah the big guys aren't too troublesome I suppose

The witches definitely need mopping up now and then though so I suppose I should just focus on them

[shrewd lantern]

honestly the fight with Meg reminds me of O&S from darksouls, since you can hid behind the pillars in the room to avoid the projectiles

and I do the fight really similar, just running around the room and kiting them, hitting when there are openings

[bronze pelican]

Is Meg the only named boss fight in the game so far or is there one waiting at the end of the second area?

[hushed ledge]

I just run away and clean up adds from a distance

[shrewd lantern]

there is one at the end

its a pain, but it was super exciting finishing a run

[bronze pelican]

I only got about three rooms into the fire area, gonna have another crack at it Sunday as I need to study tomorrow and then go to work in the evening.

Today was fun though, I did not expect to wake up to a new Supergiant game and I really like it so far

[hushed ledge]

Spear has insane range

[bronze pelican]

A Supergiant Rough-like was not something I knew I wanted until I got it

[hushed ledge]

I swear spear is safer than the bow

[shrewd lantern]

I second that

[timber marsh]

friends can i ask for some tips on how to reduce these skeleton twins to bone meal

[bronze pelican]

The bow is weird

[shrewd lantern]

Which weapon?

[timber marsh]

spear or bow are the two im most comfy with

[hushed ledge]

Spear is good

[bronze pelican]

If you get the close range perk on it it can actually be ridiculous

[shrewd lantern]

I've been maining the spear

[hushed ledge]

Same

[timber marsh]

when i realized the spear does damage when it comes back to you after a throw i literally yelled

[hushed ledge]

Shield feels too easy and boring

[bronze pelican]

but other times I use it and I feel really vulnerable

[hushed ledge]

Spear has so much versatility

[shrewd lantern]

What I do for spear is move to a corner away fromthem, and charge up a spin. they will jump to you, you release, you dash, repeat

[timber marsh]

ooooh

[hushed ledge]

You can actually dash with a charged spin, and it will be used where you dash to

[bronze pelican]

I like the Shield a lot, it just feels really heavy and powerful

[timber marsh]

that makes sense ... are they a guaranteed encounter on every run? so far it seems like it

[shrewd lantern]

WAIT

YOU CAN

[timber marsh]

SERIOUSLY?

[hushed ledge]

Yeah it's busted

[shrewd lantern]

THIS IS GAME CHANGING

[hushed ledge]

Only one dash

[timber marsh]

THAT SKELETON IN THE LOADOUT ROOM IS ABOUT TO DIE

[bronze pelican]

wait

sorry you can dash with the spear?

how

[shrewd lantern]

good luck teller

[timber marsh]

[hushed ledge]

Dash is the space bar movement

[bronze pelican]

ohhhhhhh

[hushed ledge]

If you're charged on a spin, and dash, you use the spin, but at the location you dash too

[bronze pelican]

my tired brain was thinking like the shield dash

[shrewd lantern]

omg

[hushed ledge]

It let's you have safe AOE

And also safe burst

[bronze pelican]

right okay that is pretty dope

I gotta try that next time I play

[hushed ledge]

You can spindash in, and then just mash lmb

ggez

How did you guys not try it out?

A similar thing happens with dashing with a shield charged up

Although that's a lot less useful

And because you just dashed, iirc the spin gets the bonuses from thay

Spear also has a lot longer range than you think

When you attack with it, there's a glowy bit out the end. The end of that is the range

[autumn tapir]

Spear is the best weapon

[shrewd lantern]

some of the boons also increase the range

it is broken

[hushed ledge]

Shield is more powerful

Spear is more fun

Spear feels like dancing to use

[bronze pelican]

Thoughts on the Sword? I've found one combo that I really like but it's pretty difficult to get. Use the weapon upgrade to speed up the attack speed but lose the third hit in the attack chain and then add Poseidon's knockback on attack so you can preserve the ability to knock enemies into walls.