#h1-builds-and-combat

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versed jungle
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Also, some VERY useful secondary boons are:

Ares: Impending Doom, Dire Misfortune, Urge to Kill, Black Metal, Engulfing Vortex

Zeus: Double Strike, Static Discharge, High Voltage

Poseidon: Wave Pounding, Razor Shoals

Athena: Binding Flash, Brilliant Reposite

Aphrodite; Sweet Surrender

Artemis: Basically any of her secondary boons (she is broken)

Hermes: Greatest Reflex, Quick Reload, Swift Flourish/Swift Strike (Rush Delivery WITH greater haste and maybie ixion)

tight basin
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none of these are useful in any build other than impending doom on ME builds lmao

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or hyper sprint + rush delivery but that's hermes, every build can get that

plain river
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Me when I decide to just shotgun for duo boons when more than half of these are trash

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and there’s no real synergy here

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like the only thing you have going for this is tidal dash I’m ngl

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Wait

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It’s not even tidal dash

versed jungle
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yeah, but it allows most of the duo boons

tight basin
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the attack/special/cast/dash make the build, you should only need 1 duo for your build to work after that

plain river
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It’s flood shot and passion dash bouldy

tight basin
plain river
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you’re literally just shotgunning for duos but most of them suck

tight basin
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and it also clogs your duo pool when you're trying to get something useful

versed jungle
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yeah, the build works increadibly good with merciful end and curse of drowning

plain river
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like not all duos are worth it at all and it gets in the way from you getting ones that matter while the core components of the build lack synergy wit

versed jungle
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both are increadibly good

plain river
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It’s divine strike and curse of pain

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one of the slowest ways you could manage to use merciful end

tight basin
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curse of drowning is only good on achilles if you know how to play around that and as a secondary duo boon on ME builds

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but also like

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any ME build is dwarfed by beowulf lmfao

plain river
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There isn’t even much synergy between these core boons and the weapon/aspect you’re trying to use them on here

versed jungle
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Triple Jab and Flurry Jab are important too

versed jungle
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the special inflicts doom and the attack activates it

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they (together) get you ME

plain river
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that part is understood

tight basin
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If you reverse it and get divine dash it's a lot more effective to dash strike

plain river
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This is also just one of the slowest options to do the strike+special Merciful End method which

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for starters isn’t effective

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but even then at least sword and fists can pull off their specials fast and don’t have the spear recall getting in the way

versed jungle
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try it and then DM me the results

tight basin
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i think i'll pass on that since i know better builds exist out there lmao

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esp having played better builds

plain river
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Or

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eh

versed jungle
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ok

plain river
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I could throw it together just to show it being wickedly slower than

versed jungle
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yeah, probably

plain river
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Like there’s kind of a point where you’ve played all the real speedrun and high heat builds and you can look at a build and go

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there’s not really much going on

tight basin
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the only thing i can see good about it is zeus call lmao

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passion dash is just budget tdash so there's something there technically

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the special is functionally useless on zag spear, athena attack is eh

spare cedar
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Im so stiupid.... went with Gilgamesh Gloves (5 lv) and then choose at the very begining Poseidon push for dodge... it was totally disaster zagshock

proper furnace
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?

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Dash only gilga is really good

spare cedar
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I know...

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And than i pushed enemies and couldnt put special attack in it (dont know whats its english name)

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500 from claws were nearly imposible to get shadedisgruntled

proper furnace
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Is not that important lol

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Just pom tidal dash and call it a build

spare cedar
jagged wasp
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what weapon including aspect takes the most skill to use?? im assuming its some kind of bow but idk

plain river
jagged wasp
plain river
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It has a really high skill ceiling

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Low skill floor (easy to use) but wicked high skill ceiling (hard to master)

jagged wasp
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yea i guess especially with the 64 heat runs

tight basin
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i'd throw achilles in there too

jolly chasm
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I feel Beo is worth a mention as well

tight basin
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eh

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it's not that difficult to do well with

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i think hera's difficultly only comes from whether or not you know how to abuse wall bug well

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beo is kinda just like figuring out good grouping lmao

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which doesn't really change btwn aspects

jolly chasm
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Beo’s skill ceiling is uber high

verbal flicker
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ebery aspects skill cieling is extremely high

jolly chasm
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True

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But some are still higher than others

plain river
open moth
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Chaos shield is harder to get good performance out of given a certain skill threshold

verbal flicker
plain river
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I suppose but Zeus has a lot more going on which leads to it having a higher skill ceiling

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like

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to be able to fully utilise the special you learn grouping and how to properly knock enemies into it

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there is loads more going on for you to be able to put skill into which makes it harder, but ends up being more effective

tight basin
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talos has more tech than demeter but demeter still outperforms it lmfao

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so like yeah you can have a high skill ceiling but still be bad lmfao

fast rampart
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Hey guys. just wondering if anyone has any tips/tricks/builds for the Bow please? any specific boons/aspects i should use? thanks in advance shadethumbsup

zenith fractal
wheat elbow
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Chiron:
Aphrodite on Attack, Dionysus/Demeter on Special, if Dionysus hope for Artemis and all the Duos, if Demeter hope for Arctic Blast and her Legendary I guess (Priv Status > Fam Fave on the mirror here)

Hera:
Artemis/Demeter on Attack, Aphrodite on Cast, if Artemis their Duo is nice if you get Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark, if Demeter hope for Snow Burst and Ravenous Will (Priv Status if Demeter)

plain river
# fast rampart Hey guys. just wondering if anyone has any tips/tricks/builds for the Bow please...

First note, I’m not going to talk about chiron, it’s whole thing is avoiding playing bow.

  1. gameplay: Dash-strike more (this keeps you mobile, while deal damage fast so you can move out of the way/ reposition and do it all over again while taking less damage)
  2. hammers: look for twin shot or triple shot first (or flurry on hera), if not these then point blank shot, perfect shot, and then last if you can’t find any of these, explosive shot
    3: generic boon picking. You want lots of strike +%, so aphrodite goes a long way due to her high +%, but artemis also goes a long way since crits pop off way harder with other sources of +%. Chaos is super valuable for strike and dash-strike damage.
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You can also refer to my copy-pasta (linked above by Alexca/ Level 0 Zag sword) if you want a bit more detail about why dash striking is better or maybe just a fun read since I’m heading to bed

fast rampart
weary lance
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I was thinking recently, whats the strongest payoff build that you can go for in this game?
Pay of ass in, you are the strongest if sirtent conditions are met, be it damage, survability etc etc

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with how many weapon variants there are, and with how many boon duo boons you can get, how far could you take it

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assuming perfect rng, or execution

proper furnace
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beo with trippy flare most surely

weary lance
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okay

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but thats 3 gods right

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assuming mirrage shot + beo + dio cast

proper furnace
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ye

weary lance
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and then you get demeter chil thing

proper furnace
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you don't need snow burst

weary lance
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or you can be like me and get aphro, and get better palmagrams

proper furnace
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and ice wine fixes the pom bug iirc

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(trippy flare beo gets double value from poms)

weary lance
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that is

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usefull

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i never went for that

proper furnace
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is a downside

weary lance
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that is yet another thing i didn t know

proper furnace
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yeah

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first pom is +120 lol

weary lance
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i am like, not that experienced, so i m not suprised

weary lance
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yeah that is quite strong

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is it with mirage shot too?

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since it doubles your damage

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since its bugged

zenith fractal
weary lance
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or is it before you double it with mirage shot

proper furnace
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oh is mirage that breaks with ice wine?

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either way still bad lol

weary lance
weary lance
zenith fractal
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Yeah, snurst is fine (however worthless since you don't benefit much from it when the alternative is nuking the enemy with a few thousand damage)

weary lance
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it would be better to either get better poms

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from apro and poseidon

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and just buff the cast

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or do some weird shenanigence with duo boons i forgot about

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well

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ig i got my answer then

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get beo with mirage shot, dio cast

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and then get aphroditie? with sweet nectar if the rng lands perfectly

lucid oar
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sweet nectar takes 2 boons that take away pom rewards in exchange for worse mirage odds and pom odds, not worth it unless it’s an extreme high roll

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also planning for a specific 4 god pool is rough

weary lance
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but thats kind of the idea

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"HIGHTEST POSSIBLE PAYOFF"
at the cost of it being impractical

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and or impossible to get within a sane ammount of runs

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theory bassicaly

wheat elbow
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Still think Demeter is the best fourth god for Beowulf no matter the build because of Ravenous Will

lucid oar
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highest payoff would be what the routed wr does then, max move speed with epic rd

weary lance
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which ones

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i do not know the strat exactly

lucid oar
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trippy flare, deadly strike, tempest flourish, mirage shot, hyper sprint, rush delivery, charged shot

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actually yeah the routed wr also gets snow burst because it does damage so quickly

weary lance
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god thats alot of head routing

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to plan it all out in my head

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is a challange

wheat elbow
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Don't forget the most important thing, extra casts from Chaos and Charon Wells

weary lance
wheat elbow
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Or Fully Loaded but that's asking for way too much

weary lance
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not once

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but it is worth consideration

wheat elbow
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Same lol 150 hours and never got it, though I never really tried too hard

weary lance
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but to like, check whether its possible to get it too i would need more numbers

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and thats alot of exel work

weary lance
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and never

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not once did i get it

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well

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may routing commence

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i am not doing a exel sheet

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i l just do it all in my head

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like an idiot

verbal flicker
tight basin
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You could just use the current beo route that exists instead of making your own

tight basin
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It'll also do more damage than what you're gonna be doing

weary lance
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what if its not fully optimized on the potential part

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its made to be practical

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not theoretically best

tight basin
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What's not practical is you routing without the routing/seeding mod lmao

weary lance
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you might be onto something

tight basin
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And doing it by memory too

weary lance
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it was mostly a joke

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the conclusion is that

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there is already a route made

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its prob the best

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and if it isn't, i can t prove its not since it would require too much time, effort and exel to pull off

tight basin
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I think the route is like 2:2x or something in game time

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So uh

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Good luck finding a better route that's controllable with all the speed boosts lmao

weary lance
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its just meant to be technically possible

verbal flicker
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how does routing even work? do you download a seed from another player, and manipulate that?

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or by yourself, or both?

weary lance
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lets say it has 1/10000 chance to be 1% better, with perfect luck

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i am looking for things like that

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and then to make a route for it, and not actually play it

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since it would be pointless

tight basin
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And doing that for every room until you get the "perfect" run

tight basin
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Like everything is already one shot lol

plain river
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So you can clear out small rooms immediately

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All you need to do is load a cast to tske care of styx rats for example

weary lance
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Its just a math thing

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Its not meant to be usable or practical

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All of what you listed would be meaningless

weary lance
tight basin
olive ridge
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Anything I should know to beat the em3 heroes?

wheat elbow
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Learn Theseus' patterns (bomb circle, bomb line, shooting line) so you can focus on eliminating Asterius

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Also they're the single best use of Meg companion, just look up and press the button for instant damage on both of them

tight basin
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focus on bull like always and just keep theseus in the corner of your eye basically

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most people think theseus is easier to deal with in em3 but the bull is harder so just try not to get trampled by theseus

plain river
open moth
wheat elbow
plain river
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and then reload into the combat from the start like new

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So you can endlessly practice the witches set-up vanilla on any system

olive ridge
rough plaza
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I've been finding quake cutter, if possible with flying cutter, very powerful. Malphon is the weapon I have more heat on, thanks to it,and I just got the main quest ending easily enough, thanks to it. Does this track? Is quake cutter considered a good hammer?

proper furnace
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I think is solid?
It has the issue that Demeter fists can't get it and that's its best aspect

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Explosive upper really good

plain river
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They don’t have many really impactful options so I’d say it’s up there

cosmic musk
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aspect of hera + aphrodite's cast 👌

fading flower
plain river
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not to make any waves or anything but that is the optimal cast for speed hera

tight basin
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also just hera in general lmao

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every other cast on hera straight up just feels bad other than dio

plain river
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I’ve had fun/speed success with flood shot zaggrin

tight basin
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even before i started speedrunning way back then it was just bad without aphro cast

rapid furnace
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Is pulverizing blow or empowering flight better with zues shield?

plain river
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What’s your third option?

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Empowering only triggers when you catch the shield

rapid furnace
rapid furnace
plain river
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Probably pulv blow I’m biased towards dashing flight

rapid furnace
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Yea I kinda leaned towards the other 2 also. Thanks man

rapid furnace
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What build should I use for hades spear?

still vortex
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can someone remind me how athena attack works on the rail? when and where does it deflect?

plain river
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It’s terribly ineffective for damage and defense

merry summit
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do i use infernal or stygian soul for hera?

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i have both maxed

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i think ill go stygian

proper furnace
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You benefit a lot from the burst dmg

merry summit
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i mean i like trippy shot

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so sure

proper furnace
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(hera's best cast is aphro's)

merry summit
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oh

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kk

open moth
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You should be killing stuff so fast that you can just pick your casts up faster than Stygian would recharge it

plain river
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2 solid build paths and then there’s making a spin-build

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you can take advantage of the spin buff really well by using a dash-striking build with serrated edge and (usually) artemis strike

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or you can take explosive launcher -> charged skewer for high base damage specials

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These 2 hammer routes let you really make use of the additive damage Hades spear provides you

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either way you’re probably going to run artemis on the main damage source (strike or special respectively) and aphrodite on either strike or dash depending on which build it is

copper holly
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Anyone have any good bow builds?

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One thing I like is the dadalis upgrade with volley shots

verbal flicker
copper holly
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Given thr volly arrow let you continuously fire arrows but cant do charge shots anymore

verbal flicker
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Oh flurry shot?

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Yeah it's solid but for zag generally point blank, triple and perfect are better

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It's still a good hammer tho

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Tbh I haven't used zag n
Bow before (only the base bow) but id assume Artemis attack or smth

copper holly
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I was able to get almost to thr end of thr game with that

verbal flicker
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And like special isn't super good but maybe Dio idrk

copper holly
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Damn you hades

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His second wind

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Is what got me

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I got his healtbar down but after he spoke he got back up

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I was running a critical build

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Mainly using Artemis boons

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I find the whole trying to get thr perfect shot a but annoying

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Bit*

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When charging

copper holly
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Is there a way to find hammers faster?

verbal flicker
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I don't think there's any way to manipulate the rng

copper holly
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Ok

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Also when I said zag it was still as you get it for thr first time

verbal flicker
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Ok

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I don't think it changes much

copper holly
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Which weapons your favorite

tight basin
verbal flicker
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Oh right yeah but it doesn't get you more

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Just the two a bit quicker

verbal flicker
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And then bow

fathom iris
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Can someone give me an op aspect of Hera build?

verbal flicker
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Get cast dmg and stones from chaos and well

fathom iris
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Okay bet I’ll try this build

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I hope I can actually beat hades with this

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Is it crazy to say Theseus and Asterius are harder than hades?

zenith fractal
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crazy take but pop off king

proper furnace
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I have often seen the take but don't agree with it

copper holly
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More specifically his shield

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Is there anyway I can make the fight more bareable

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He won't stay still long enough for me to get any notable damage in like one or 2 arrows tops

proper furnace
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Also use dash strikes

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Charge much faster

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During his god call he drops the shield so you can keep attacking him while you dodge the call

tight basin
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Like maybe 3? But you always have to wait

copper holly
proper furnace
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Yeah

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If the build is really good you can kill him outright or leave him almost dead if not

copper holly
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I hate him snipping me while I'm facing half bull friend

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I've tried dodging

proper furnace
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Always have a pillar between you and theseus while fighting asterius

copper holly
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Thanks for thr tips

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I always try to get Athenas dash

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Is that a good one

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And is there a way for me get more dashes aside from hermes

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Like i he can range from 1-3 if the rarity is higher or lower

proper furnace
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Outside of your mirror +1 dash no

proper furnace
copper holly
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So two is the max base set?

proper furnace
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Yeah

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Oh
There's one weapon aspect that gives you +2 dashes too but dunno how far have you gone in that regard

copper holly
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It was before I learned that you can use them to upgrade weapons after you get all thrm

proper furnace
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Did you trade them for gems

copper holly
proper furnace
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Ouch

copper holly
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So yeah cause of that im resetting

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Valid or no?

proper furnace
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Personally I wouldn't but that's me knowing what works with limited amount of blood

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My first save I cheated blood in dusa

copper holly
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So we both made that mistake before?

proper furnace
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Oh no I was worse, just lazy to grind blood

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Anyways if you don't wanna reset you can do like
Hera lvl 1/zag bow level 3/zeus shield level 1

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Those all work fine at low levels

copper holly
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Oh wait you talking about keeping 15 keys on you right

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I've seen that limited trade but failed to have it

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And when I say that I mean I didn't have the amount of keys needed

proper furnace
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My first save was a mess where I was just, lazy to play it properly, not proud of that but whatever lol

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I didn't discover about the trades until much later

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But also re: keys trade, once you are done with mirror/weapon unlocks is def good to have always 15 keys just in case

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On new files I just trade gems into keys for it too

copper holly
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Amd ive only horded keys to unlock the mirror fully

fathom iris
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Can someone give me a crazy eris rail build?

plain river
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either artemis or aphrodite special and from there you either nab pressure points/support fire/hunter’s mark from artemis, or smouldering air with zeus or dio call from aphrodite

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main hammers you care about are rocket bomb, cluster bomb, triple bomb, in that order

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You can get storm lightning ot one of the other splitting bolt prerequisites (double strike or high voltage) to aim for splitting bolt

frank goblet
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delta is also a fine hammer if you dont get those offered

plain river
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Poms on tdash and static discharge

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pos has breaking wave and razor shoals that are both really valuable as well

fathom iris
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Thanks shackle

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Wouldn’t Demeter be a great option for this build?

plain river
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Hermes is your standard hyper sprint -> rush delivery

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4th god is reaching

fathom iris
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Cold fusion is really good

plain river
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That’s asking a bit too much and you’re already applying jolted so often

fathom iris
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True

plain river
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and chill just makes jolted prok less often

fathom iris
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Ohhh

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Makes sense thanks

plain river
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ideally I’d probably have dio as the forth since you could get premium vintage and the fountain one that I’m blanking on so hard rn

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premium vintage is a free level and max hp on gifts means you have to take even less centaur hearts

fathom iris
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Ohh yeah bet I’ll try and see if I can get him

tight basin
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Or Dio call

fathom iris
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That’s so useful

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I’m going Zeus call for this one

tight basin
plain river
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You just end up tossing out tons of damage to be multiplied by all your global additive

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and crits like pressure points/hunter’s mark from artemis

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It’s one of the strongest builds if you have everything together

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really strong with just zeus and pos tbf

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everything else is just a bonus

fathom iris
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For Styx do I go to the mini boss rooms first or the normal ones?

tight basin
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Miniboss rooms are generally faster and less random

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Smaller rooms

plain river
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Also safer tbh

tight basin
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Unless tiny rat lmao

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But otherwise not too bad

fathom iris
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Tidal dash for tiny rats

plain river
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5/6 minibosses are easy as hell and then Tony (tiny rat)

fathom iris
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Oh shoot true

verbal flicker
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also barge

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not hard but annoying and long

plain river
verbal flicker
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There are 6 Styx mini bosses?

jolly chasm
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5, barge is in aspho

proper furnace
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We should find a random hades player and install super barge without them noticing

plain river
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3 arenas

verbal flicker
verbal flicker
proper furnace
plain river
tight basin
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what the acutal hell 😭

proper furnace
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I love it

tight basin
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ngl that was hella impressive from tounis

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my ass would be dead immediately

zenith fractal
fathom iris
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Can someone give me a good nemesis blade build?

fathom iris
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Thanks ima see these

copper holly
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Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

fathom iris
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What’s the best keepsake for beating hades

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Is it broken spear point?

cosmic kayak
fathom iris
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What about broken spear point?

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Is that also good?

potent tree
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Acorn 🌰

cosmic kayak
fathom iris
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Aww

fathom iris
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Spear point you don’t get hit every seven seconds

cosmic kayak
fathom iris
potent tree
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I don't think you'll be taking hits in rapid succession during boss fights, especially against Hades, so the spearpoint's defensive utility may be limited. On the other hand, Acorn absorbs some hard hits

copper holly
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Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

verbal flicker
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only the boss

cosmic kayak
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not?

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ah

daring briar
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is playing in god mode a "dirty" way?

cosmic kayak
verbal flicker
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but yeah as packrat said, acorn is better as thats quite a lot of dmg saved whereas spearpoint has a chance to not get value, it is useful in styx rooms tho

verbal flicker
cosmic kayak
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I prefer the grind

potent tree
fathom iris
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How do I get rid of the tiny Elysium carts easily

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They always do so much dmg to me

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And the big carts too

proper furnace
verbal flicker
proper furnace
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they'll blow themselves up

fathom iris
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I have pos dash rn

verbal flicker
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or yeah thru walls

fathom iris
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I did that

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And it exploded on m

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Me

verbal flicker
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u should be able to melt them

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if u dash into them yeah

fathom iris
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Oh

verbal flicker
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u have to dash away and let the wave hit them

frank goblet
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you can dash through walls and through them if you need to double around

fathom iris
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Oh shoot

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Thanks

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What about the stupid big carts

frank goblet
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also shield can just use bullrush

proper furnace
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for the big chariots leading them into walls also work

fathom iris
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Okay bet

proper furnace
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or just outrun them until they stop

frank goblet
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dashing through them stops them

proper furnace
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just mind if they are armored as you can't stagger them

fathom iris
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Armored enemies are so annoying

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And the witches that shoot the clustered balls

daring briar
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what's good for Stygian Blade (zagreu aspect)

fathom iris
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Anyone know what the last two things in the mirror do

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?

plain river
fathom iris
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I have genuinely no idea

plain river
fathom iris
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Oh yeah

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The last one I mean

fathom iris
plain river
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Fated Authority lets you reroll doors and fated persuasion lets you reroll everything else pretty much

fathom iris
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Holy hell

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That’s good

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Which one should I use

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For both

verbal flicker
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persuasion

fathom iris
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What abt for gods pride

plain river
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God’s pride for most

fathom iris
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Okay bet I’ll use gods pride then

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What’s better? Seeking fire, explosive fire or flurry fire

plain river
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eh

fathom iris
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Man these hammers are so trash

plain river
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those are all pretty mid

fathom iris
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I have to pick one

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I’m farming for darkness rn

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To get fated persuasion

plain river
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Explosive ig

fathom iris
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Also im doing the chain lightning build

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With pos dash

plain river
fading flower
fading flower
fathom iris
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Yo I just beat hades for the first time

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Finally after so long

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Exactly on my 50th run

fading flower
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damn!

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thats nice

fathom iris
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Tysm man

fathom iris
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It’s so useful

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But expensive asf for me

worthy snow
#

hey, i just picked up hades like a month or so ago, and i'm struggling a bit with the hades fight. and i've beaten him only three times. and i know that's good, but i want to be better.

zenith fractal
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a lot of the difficulty in hades comes from understanding what's strong and what's a noob-trap. pins of this channel has a pretty accurate guide to help with that.

worthy snow
#

yea, i've been watching Healien, but he's all maxed on everything so it's hard to take pointers. the weapons i've noticed i'm good with is the ones that allow me to keep my distance. like thee bow or the spear was a starter weapon i was good with. the aspects i've favored is the aspect of Achilles for the spear i really liked that. and Chiron for the bow. but i want to try the other weapons. like the sword aspect of athur was good once i learned how to use it but i lost all my death definces before Theseus and barely made it through that fight

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it was because i got too close

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and he called Dioynsus

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because i was favouring Poseidon

plain river
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It lets you reposition out of the way of enemy attacks, and empty dashes (dashes that aren’t dash-strikes) have iframes so you can avoid attacks that were going to hit you anyways

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Dash-strikes are also just a really quick option for damage on most weapons

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*all

plain river
worthy snow
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yea, i noted that. i got hermes extra dashes and they really came in cluch for the boss. all of them if i can get it early.

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and i am besties with dio

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so it hurt to see him pick Theseus

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i had words

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i was a bit angry

plain river
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Theseus will only ever pick a god you don’t have boons from

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*unless you managed to have all of them by the time you get to the Heroes fight, then he defaults to Artemis

worthy snow
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yea, cool. you just handed me gold.

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Artemis is the only one i can not get hit by. her and Demeter

plain river
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do you know about how the godpool works (the 4 regular olympian god cap)?

worthy snow
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yes, i watch some videos on how that works. i was trying to learn the mirror, and it said i could bypass it with the keepsakes.

plain river
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You can, normally it isn’t the greatest idea since most of the time it’s better to get more boons from the gods you already have

worthy snow
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yea, ok, i didn't know that. well not exactly, it's good the get the same god for like Duos and legendary boons

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and i have a few favs, low tolrence is good, and curse of nursa

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please excuse my spelling it's really bad

plain river
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That’s ok

plain river
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compared to, for example, grabbing more zeus secondary boons and making the lightning you’re already throwing out even stronger

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or artemis and grabbing pressure points to crit more often (and crit on everything), and hunter’s mark to let your crits start chaining around to multiple enemies

worthy snow
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yea, i think i saw that before i did a run with a really bad weapon too slow. i can't remeber. no i was learning something new, so i thought i'd do a cast build to keep my distance and not get hit well i'm trying to learn it, normally i'd go with trippy shot, but i forgot to swich my keepsake so i had Aries instead. so i went with his cast and it only got beafy from there

plain river
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you can build around 1 or 2 things and make them really strong

worthy snow
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yea, when i was challaged by the game to get the sword to the surface with the ascpect of athur, that was a challage, so i went with poseidon at first thinking the sword was begging for his speacl then i watched Healian give pointers to another person useing it with a heat, and he said the speacl is handy but it's a strike weapon, then i swiched gears, chose aphrodite on my attack, and i got all her boons like for the week, curse of longing i think i ended up with aries along the way i don't know, i got poseidon's aid, and well got a few Duos with him because i had demeter's boon that gives you more health. and yea.

broken tinsel
#

is the aspect of arthur good i just got it and i just beat theseus and asterius in 30 seconds

potent tree
#

It's fun, but it's like doing combat with a 50lb sword: you'll hit hard, but a regular sword will do more in the meantime

open moth
#

Every weapon is usable until you start doing like 40-50 heat

broken tinsel
broken tinsel
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hades destroyed me

worthy snow
#

yea, no Hades is hard.

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i have like 100 runs and have only beaten him three times.

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my first reaction was like "oh my Gods i did it." and stood on that screen for a total of a mintue trying to calm down.

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the second time was "bless posion damage, and bombs. (AKA trippy shot)" then the thrid was "suck on that one father" and i haven't won one since.

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never get too proud, pride has proven evil in myth

potent tree
#

Have you already examined how the speedrunners play? It helped me a lot

worthy snow
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i watch Healien.

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but i don't get it just yet.

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i'm also a victem of favourite weapons. so when i try something else i burn.

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i favour the bow and spear. so when i was told by the game to use acspect of athur for the sword i didn't know what to do.

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till i watched Healien say stike not speacl weapon.

potent tree
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If it helps, you might think of every weapon as a Dash-Strike specialization

worthy snow
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to me i think of the weapons of how to keep the enemies away from me.

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so the sword is the speacl

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so i picked poseidon

potent tree
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Ah, that's a habit you'll want to break

worthy snow
#

and i like Hermes.

potent tree
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Hermes is great

worthy snow
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one because he doesn't pick Theseus like my tradiorus uncles and other family. and two the extra dashes are really handy.

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especlly in the Hades fight. you don't get hit as often

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i also have learned when he goes invisable to watch the snow footprints so i can dash out the way of his next attack.

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if that's handy for newer players who are taking hades on for the frist time

potent tree
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Always be fighting Hades near one of the two big rocks in the arena. Helps block so much

worthy snow
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ohhh damn i didn't think of that. i rely so hard on Dioynsus's poison damage to slowly chip at his health/

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and i have doom on my attack or speacl depending on my weapn

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hoping for curse of nursa

potent tree
#

You may want to slowly start getting used to offensive playstyles. Defense falls apart pretty quickly through the Heat grinds

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Curse of Nausea, if I remember it right, is...not great

wheat elbow
#

Curse of Nausea is very good, Curse of Drowning is crap

worthy snow
#

well if you pom Dio enough it can do nearly 80 damage

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and pair it with somthing like low torlince it can hit for way more.

potent tree
#

Oh, I might've confused it with Curse of Drowning

worthy snow
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i don't know that one. but from the name i'm going to assume it's Aries and Poseidon.

potent tree
#

I wonder if I still have my old videos...

worthy snow
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i wish i can record me playing. i play on swich so i can't. because if i can show one run and get pointers of what i can do better will be nice.

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because i geneally want to get better.

potent tree
worthy snow
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that's the best sword acspect right? i assume that because it's the second unlock for something right. like Achilles and Chiron.

potent tree
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Yeah, that's the favored sword aspect. Looking at my old gameplay, it seems like I'm 1. lining up enemies for dash-strikes and 2. prioritizing standing in a corner to await new spawns

worthy snow
#

so something else i've learned from playing. is that i struggle with raged enemies

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like the spreeders in Elisyem

potent tree
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The standing-in-corner is mainly a speedrun thing, but it does help normal runs by forcing enemies to spawn on one side of Zagreus; it's nice not to get surrounded

worthy snow
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or like any enemy in Elisyem

worthy snow
#

i learned to try an cornor them to take one on at a time

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it doesn't work

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but i try

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it's that they out speed me. so i try to have a chill effect somewhere

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or a try to have a couple extra dashes from Hermes

potent tree
#

Unfortunately, that sounds about right for defensive gameplay

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Oh my gosh I'm so bad at aiming sword Dash-Strikes in that video

worthy snow
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i have arto aim. so i don't know bad aim

potent tree
worthy snow
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ok i'll give it a watch. i want to learn the other weapons so yea. umm, you wouldn't have something on rama for the bow? i did the prophcy already, but i want to try and go for a clear with it.

potent tree
#

These are so nostalgic 😆

worthy snow
#

Hastia is the gun right?

potent tree
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Yep!

worthy snow
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i liked the gun at first.

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i think i cleared with it

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hang on let me check

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i did

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no heat

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think it was when i first unlocked it

potent tree
worthy snow
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you are better than me at this game that's for sure

potent tree
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Was better LOL

worthy snow
#

well in that room i'd have lost a death defince and be begging the game for Patroclus before i reach the boss then lose them all to Theseus. if you can keep them thro the hero's fight then you are better

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is it just me or do all players have the same reaction to Pat

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"thank the Gods it's you"

potent tree
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You'll become a hyper-offense player before ya know it shadethumbsup

worthy snow
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because i walk in and go "hey pat yea the kiss of the styx can't survive the next room without it." because i haven't finished the story with Achilles and Pat yet, and the game won't let me give more nectar. i ligit go at me screen "i want to give him somthing, he ligit the reason imma see hades this run let me thank him"

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and with Theseus i walk in like something to fear. with a 12x5 poison damage, some weak in a dash, and doom in an attack. i deal nearly 300 hundred damage and am deliting health bars. i had trppry shot hitting for about more than that with cold wine in my back pocket.

tight basin
#

it's been a while so i dont remember how good of a run it was but it should give a decent idea lmao

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wait that's not rama

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i just assumed it was bc it had it in the name hold on

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this one is def rama

worthy snow
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cool thanks

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i just want to see if i can make all the bow ascpects work for me.

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and i want to be diffrent

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(me worshiping Dio in the background with Chiron's bow)

potent tree
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Oh wait I'd forgotten Chiron is a thing LOLOL

tight basin
#

one of the harder aspects to learn tho bc of how slow it charges even with the increased speed from dash striking

worthy snow
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yea, i spam speacl till every is poisoned.

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because arrows bounce

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it make stacking on multple enemys faster.

tight basin
#

would also recommend learning to use the attack instead of just spamming the special lmfao

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bc at that point just use rail

worthy snow
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yea i see your point. the only clears i've had is with the bow, spear, and gun.

olive ridge
#

am i tripping or is sea storm not that good on chiron
i had jolted double strike zeus lego and ruptured
and it still felt worse than the usual dio build

proper furnace
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Lightning bolts is 0.2s

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Bow special too fast = you only get 1 or 2 bolts

olive ridge
#

how come rama gets full value then

proper furnace
#

It doesn't

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Visually maybe but the dmg is still from one bolt

olive ridge
#

still felt way better tho

proper furnace
#

It just benefits better cuz special has 5 base dmg and it ricochets

olive ridge
#

does anything even get full value then

proper furnace
#

Chiron is pure single dmg

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Zeus shield, funny enough

olive ridge
#

thats so wack
why can't i do the funnies on chiron

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even got the perfect build

proper furnace
#

Iirc someone removed the internal cooldown and it still wasn't that crazy

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Chiron lacks aoe so bad is sad

zenith fractal
#

bad zagbow strikes again

fathom iris
#

Should I get Chiron aspect bow or nah

dire quiver
#

It’s pretty good until you can get the hidden aspect (Aspect of Rama) in my opinion.

tight basin
# fathom iris Should I get Chiron aspect bow or nah

Chiron isn't considered a "good" aspect but it's still like very usable and intuitive to use with good builds
Any of the other bows are considered better but Chiron still works, just needs more titan blood investment than any of the others to be usable

vestal salmon
#

New here, but I wanted to share a hades build that has carried me pretty well.
It’s what I like to call a stasis build:
Malphon (Aspect of Demeter)
Attack boons:
Demeter Strike
Dionysus Flourish
Zeus/Athena Shot
Aphrodite Dash
Artemis Aid
Buff boons:
Killing Freeze
Static Discharge/Blinding Flash
Empty Inside
Duo Boons:
Cold Fusion(Zeus/Demeter)
Low Tolerance(Dionysus/Aphrodite)
Optional Boons:
Dying Lament
Sweet Surrender
Broken Resolve
Bad influence
Peer Pressure
Pressure Points
Support Fire
Any Athena boons that give back death defy
Daedalus Upgrades preferred:
Breaching Cross
Concentrated Knuckle
Colossus Knuckle

plain river
#

tizomg holy long boon list

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Demeter strike and dio flourish sounds so backwards for demeter fists

vestal salmon
#

I did that because you have 10 stack on the Demeter and only 5 (I think) on Dio.

plain river
#

the big special is a really nice burst option so it pairs nicely with demeter’s additive damage bonus where the strike hits quite fast so it applies dio

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dio stacks to 5 unless you have low tolerance then it’s 8 on weakened foes but it’s more about the nature of their damage tbh

wheat elbow
#

Wrong chat this is for Hades 1, also you have to special directly into enemies for your attacks to do something (and that something is HUGE damage thanks to the 90% bonus)

plain river
#

Spoilers

potent tree
#

I'm glad to see people are still confusing H1 and H2 chats squirtdevious

plain river
fathom iris
#

Yo what aspect should I unlock

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I have 4 titans blood

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The only hidden aspect available is the guan yu aspect

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@plain river what do you recommend?

plain river
# fathom iris <@733775512991694900> what do you recommend?

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents improve it)
Spear: achilles (solid at level 1, but vastly improves with more more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

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hidden spear, bow and rail all scale super well with levels

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hidden sword/fists/shield should be fine with just 1 level and you can scrape the blood out to level those up later

fathom iris
#

I haven’t gotten the option to get hidden everything else

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What do you think I should do?

plain river
#

the other options are more complicated to get

fathom iris
#

Oh shoot

plain river
fathom iris
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Okay bet thanks

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I might aswell just unlock it

plain river
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they’re more of an involved process

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for everything but the sword

fathom iris
#

Ohhh I seee

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Yeah I’m definitely going with guanyu so I can get everything else

dire quiver
#

Is there any way to get titans blood back from aspects I accidentally upgraded..?

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-# Also is the hidden bow aspect better than the Hera aspect?

zenith fractal
zenith fractal
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speed hera is a bit better, heat rama is significantly better

frank goblet
#

one day rama will take over hera surely :)

zenith fractal
dire quiver
potent tree
#

There is unlimited blood available to farm, thankfully

fathom iris
#

I want to undock all the aspects

potent tree
#

Sometimes the Broker will have a good deal on Blood! Completing relevant prophecies and Heat bounties is good, but those are obviously limited. Fishing on the surface and landing a Perfect Catch works (may need to trade fish Ambrosia for blood at the Broker)! Finally, can sometimes buy it from Charon in Styx

fathom iris
potent tree
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Oh you'd better squirtdevious

fathom iris
#

Wait what’s the best hidden aspect with low blood invested

fathom iris
plain river
fathom iris
#

Ohh

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I’ll try and get it first then

vestal salmon
#

Ok so here’s a basic build that you need to be incredibly lucky to pull off.
Hidden aspect of rail
Infinite ammo Daedalus upgrade
Ares attack and stack doom buffs.
I managed to get to hades with this build, but I couldn’t get enough survivability boons to win.

tight basin
#

it's less about survivability boons and more of dodging at the right time and having decent max hp

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the only good survivability boons would only be like weak application and divine dash lmao

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weak application being aphrodite attack or special

vestal salmon
#

That run was a while ago, but I’m pretty sure I was missing my cast and dash boon during that run.

tight basin
#

cast doesn't really matter for your build if it isn't a cast build

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dash would only matter if it's divine dash for defense

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tidal dash could count if you want to deal more damage so they die faster

vestal salmon
#

Fair. Generally, I need to, as hornet says, “Git Gud”

tight basin
#

lmao it do be like that

dire quiver
#

What aspect should I max for the fists? I have a bunch of blood from finishing a prophecy and I want to max the fists out first.

zenith fractal
round rose
#

Got Epic rare crop, and only had 2 boons, BRUH T_T

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should i even take it

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i have hunter dash and lightning reflexes

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i can reroll demeter

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idk if i should

dire quiver
plain river
round rose
tight basin
#

unless you're playing a cast based aspect like hera or beowulf then not much of a reason to reroll

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since most of her utility comes from having a lot of unpommables outside of castpects lmfao

#

just take the free upgrade and move on bc you waste a reroll

devout prism
#

Decided to come back to the first game and had fun with a delightful shotgun build.

dire quiver
#

What's the best spear aspect?

zenith fractal
#

Depends what for. High heat prefers Guan Yu (has beaten 64 modded), anyheat prefers achilles (has a modded sub-5 time).

cosmic musk
#

any tips on how to deal w bullet hell lvls (like the one in Asphodel with the 4 witches) when using the Rail or Bow? i despise running into them when i do a non-Divine Dash run

dire quiver
zenith fractal
#

And outside of that, often the solution to all your life's problems when playing Hades is figuring out how to scale your damage better

dire quiver
#

And I need to beat high heat for the statues (which I have no idea what they do)

zenith fractal
#

(They do nothing except look pretty and trigger some dialogue)

dire quiver
#

😑

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I saw someone was able to pick their starting boon a Hades video, I thought that’s what they did.

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-# how do I unlock that…?

zenith fractal
#

did that run have a few faces in the top right corner

dire quiver
#

Hmmm… lemme check

zenith fractal
#

If so, what you watched was a run with the speedrunning QoL modpack

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Which has that as one of its settings

dire quiver
#

Oh 😞

#

It’s not unlock-able without mods?

frank goblet
#

ye its purely a modded thing👍

dire quiver
#

I got so excited to unlock that ashofpastflames

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Because it was gonna make my time finishing the duo and legendary prophecies done 😭

dire quiver
#

What’s the best mirror set up?

plain river
#

most things are going to stay constant and then some options change

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and at most the difference between aspects is changing the cast ones and maybe fiery vs shadow presence

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Give me a second to open up my switch and remember the order so I can give my 2 cents in ordr

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which will basically just be “this is better then that” or “this is better for speed, this is better for heat” etc

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fiery presence vs shadow presence: most weapons want fiery since first hit can be the only hit you need with fiery presence

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Cthonic vitality >>> dark regen since it’s consistent and always applies

frank goblet
#

unless it's heat, most everything takes shadow in high heat

plain river
#

death defiance vs stubborn defiance depends on if you’re dying more to bosses or the average room. This means stubborn normally takes precendent when you get to high heat

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greater reflex >>> ruthless reflex with the exception of gilgamesh usually since it has dashes to spare for global additive in return. Otherwise having a second dash is like double the dps for every other weapon which mainly use dash strikes for damage

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and it’s just extra mobility and damage

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boiling blood >>> abyssal, extra damage dealt is effective damage reduction by killing enemies faster

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Infernal Soul Vs Stygian Soul depends if you’re running a castpect and if your build is going to be able to be eligible for Lightning Rod (Artemis/Zeus duo) or not

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Infernal is better for pretty much every castpect unless you’re running trippy shot/flare

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Stygian gives you better rush delivery odds for regular aspects and if you aren’t planning on hitting lightning rod or using it it’s a very valuable pick for that option I thin

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You do trade off some early game cast burst potential for it though

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deep pockets >>> golden touch for letting you buy a boon from the first tartarus midshop also you should be using your obols fast and loosely for the most part

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it makes you stronger faster so you can snowball

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which is good for both speedrunning and high heat

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getting your god pool is order in tartarus is major enough though

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thick skin >>> high confidence unless you are speedrunning, enough said

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family favourites > priv status unless you’re running hangover focused build or crush burst hera

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god’s pride >>> god’s legacy since having high rarity boons means the duos can work even more effectively and you have a lot of tools and methods/strategies to let you get duo/legendaries more consistently

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dark foresight >>> olympian favour because getting 7 more gold laurels is infinitely more valuable than that rarity bonus tbh

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Fated Persuasion > Fated Authority for a whole host of reasons but the first one is definitely being able to reroll your 2 hermes boons of the run

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That should be everything?

#

Ping any specific message if you have questions about a specific choice

dire quiver
plain river
#

Big ticket changes for heat are actually using shadow presence for most weapons and stubborn defiance once you turn on lasting consequences 4 then the other variations are just if you’re using a castpect or not

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and that’s all detailed per option above ^

tight basin
#

you only take shadow presence on like rama or you're using DC

dire quiver
#

Oh gosh so much reading proceeds to save to notes

plain river
#

It’s like maybe 1-2 sentences per option

frank goblet
tight basin
plain river
#

I think mobile discord makes it look like way more text as someone on mobile

tight basin
#

i dont even think the cshot can backstab

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if it can well

tight basin
#

you're not likely backstabbing with shield cshot anyways

plain river
#

The basic rails once you have dc like

frank goblet
plain river
#

You aren’t actually going to be hitting first real damage tick with special at that point

tight basin
#

you're generally front facing on shield i would imagine

plain river
#

Yoh new dialogue line

tight basin
#

idk i wouldn't run shadow on cshot, the consistent 75% on grouped enemies sounds way better

plain river
#

I got fed up with my seed so I died to a checked notes wretched pest

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little guy with the urns and mines

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“Have you tried avoiding them?”
“I have not.”

frank goblet
tight basin
#

fair i suppose

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i would've thought normal combats would take longer so you go for fiery

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i guess 2 backstabs is more damage

plain river
#

I think the bossing potential makes it worth two cents once you actually get up there with dc2

tight basin
#

or equal i think if math works out

#

with dc2 you always take shadow yeah

plain river
#

so 2 backstabs is more

tight basin
#

yeah that makes sense idk why i thought it would be equal

#

for some reason i thought there was some bonus damage somewhere lmfao

#

if i ever go back to hades i might try shadow for high heat zag shield if i remember

plain river
#

I find myself doing a night where I actually do try to do some speedruns like

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Once a month now

#

after talking about Hades gives me the itch again

tight basin
#

i haven't gotten the hades itch in a while lmao

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not even h2

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haven't even gotten epilogue yet in h2 either

plain river
#

I still haven’t bought Hades 2

tight basin
#

h1 last played aug 15, h2 last played dec 13 lmfao

plain river
#

come to think of it Hades 2 on sale is like the same amount as the pitcher I got tonight bouldy could’ve been sober for settlers of Catan while also having a new game

tight basin
#

LMAO

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what if

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h2 while not sober

plain river
#

hmmmm

#

I think my Hades 1 performance rn is

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it’s gotta be a mix of being rusty

tight basin
#

i mean tbh if you know you're gonna play h2 at some point just grab it when it's on sale in the future

plain river
#

I just want to leave Tartarus below like 2:30

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With tdash

tight basin
#

i think your issue is playing unmodded lmfao

plain river
#

But the game wants me to take athena and ares

#

TRUE

tight basin
#

are you doing zag bow

plain river
#

wait let me grab my laptop

frank goblet
plain river
#

I just downloaded it on my pc so I could download codex mod I can download speedrunn modpack

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btw guys

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new lore

#

Zag rail attack speed and chain lightning itc (zeus strike) are 0.167s

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not 0.15s

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Straight from the game files

tight basin
#

oh wtf

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that's 1/6 right

plain river
#

Yep

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There’s a seperate timer with 0.15s that’s an initial cooldown so I can understand the confusion

tight basin
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that makes sense i guess

tight basin
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i was gonna be like 0.167 seems random before i realized it was 1/6 and flourish is literally 1/5 lmao

plain river
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With flurry fire

tight basin
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ah

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why is there a random bump

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is that after .167

plain river
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unsure

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Probably field testing human error tbh

tight basin
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fair

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blue is just standard atk right

plain river
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With no flurry fire

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So it goes no swift strike -> common -> rare etc

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then orange is flurry fire plus no swift strike -> common -> rare etc

tight basin
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ooh i see

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yeah that makes sense

plain river
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The game stores the next lightning in a queue though so it’s not a pure 50% drop as soon as the attack speed mismatches

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It’s just as soon as the cumulative mismatch = 0.167s across multiple shots

tight basin
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flurry jab doesn't hit as fast as rail does right

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okay so flurry jab is fine then

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maybe with epic/heroic swift strike it could be lmfao

plain river
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Also

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I’m speedrunning with zagrail rn I know you asked earlier I think

tight basin
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oh yeah i forgot lmfao

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why zag rail

plain river
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not super technical

tight basin
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bc you're doing unmodded so spreadfire seems horrible unless you start with it

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and then youre playing bad eris

plain river
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yep

tight basin
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aight fair enough

plain river
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I am playing bad eris

tight basin
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i guess it is easier than eris to play but i would imagine that eris would be easier to get a better time with

plain river
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I mean my speedrun pb run is with SF zagrail 🗿

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overallp

tight basin
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lmao happens

plain river
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it was so stupid

tight basin
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sometimes rng be like that

plain river
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I had my zagbow 7:46 and I was just trying to sub9 with zag rail

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And I was like “oh this is sub9’ablel

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and then it was “WAIT THIS IS SUB8’able”

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and then it was a PB

tight basin
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it do be like that

plain river
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game keeps trying to give me athena

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I might do ME fists

tight basin
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i think the funnier thing to do now would be to completely pivot off of rail and bow and go to nem

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how do you feel about gambling for double edge

plain river
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ofc the moment I switch off a zeus start I hit poseidon

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on the one build where tdash sucks

tight basin
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the game loves you

plain river
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Could tdash start nem

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or achilles

tight basin
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or

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hear me out

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eris

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tdash start eris is like vaguely a thing

plain river
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Think I need a change of pace from rail

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If this goes badly I will

tight basin
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or you could pivot to zag bow

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tdash start is pretty nice for zag bow in tart

plain river
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2nd boon is all epic tempest strike pos call oceans bounty lmao

tight basin
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free unpommable??

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(or roll to get beaver)

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(shoals)

plain river
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rolled and hit either cast or common shoals

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chose cast

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The call it the wisest move in the underworld

plain river
tight basin
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i forgot the lore to that

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prob a typo

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bwave -> beaver if i had to imagine

plain river
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the big one with the massive long bridge in the middle

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Non-zero chance I just have to accept that I’m washed

plain river
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we usually mean like 32 and up

dire quiver
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Yes I’m trying to get better

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Currently grinding blood to max out my aspects

plain river
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Before 32 just use the speedrunning stuff there’s no point in using the two heat specific swaps

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which are like shadow presence is mainly only a thing once you turn on damage control and stubborn defiance when you have lasting consequences 4

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*aside from high confidence vs thick skin you can just keep thick skin on

tight basin
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getting better mainly comes from using a good build ngl

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drastically improving damage output tends to do wonders lmao

open moth
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More DPS, less time to make mistakes

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Can't take that much damage if the enemies literally aren't alive long enough to attempt more than 2 or 3 hits

azure valley
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it might just be me but...
Fiery Presence
Stubborn Defiance
Ruthless Reflex
Abyssal Blood
High Confidence
Privileged Status
These kinda seems like complete garbage compared to their alternatives.

verbal flicker
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fiery presence is pretty solid, especially on weapons/builds that can't backstab or dont often
stubborn defiance is useful if rooms are where you struggle the most
high confidence is cool for speedruns
priveleged staus very niche but can be better if yk ur trying to go for 2 status asap

plain river
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otherwise the rest can swap around based on aspect and heat or speed focus

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ruthless reflexnhas like gilgamesh I guess but that’s right next to 0 use cases

frank goblet
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high confidence is good for speedruns, fiery is good for speedruns where you try to just burst down on the first hit, ruthless does actually have one niche being if your name is scratch with fists or zeus shield bc of its damage rotation

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(that last part being specific to heat)

analog mauve
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Abyssal blood my beloved

jolly chasm
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I mean, abyssal is just as good as the other one on Beo

analog mauve
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I prefer it on eris

rough blade
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we can't let olympian favor get away with this chat

tight basin
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i like to use olympian favor when i use ri1

ancient bolt
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anyone have a suggested build for the Aspect of Lucifer Rail?

plain river
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Tidal dash also really helps because any sort of damage hitting the bombs lets you immediately explode them for the burst damage

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Super relevant with a max level luci

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the triple bomb grab is pretty consistent since lucifer has the lowest amount of possible hammers of all weapons at 9

ancient bolt
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Thanks will try out bomb run

I did a Electric Squirt Gun build and it did pretty well

potent tree
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Triple Bomb is like a mini Cluster Rocket

remote sonnet
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does flood flare still not proc sea storm or was that patched? I'm seeing inconsistent information on the internet

jolly chasm
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still no

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it never did to my knowledge

proper furnace
plain river
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yes

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you can

open moth
meager sedge
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Like at some point that fight went from a serious challenge to a build check and melting them nearly instantly meant I was set up right

worthy snow
shell root
cosmic musk
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just finished the main story quest and i have a doubt— since the Hades boss fight is skipped on the 10th finish, can't ppl use it to speedrun even faster? u skip one whole boss

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too much effort ik but still

plain river
plain river
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Iirc

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I don’t know if you can get companions prior to that for anyheat

zenith fractal
cosmic musk
cosmic musk
proper furnace
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Also iirc doesn't time still run during the credits or something

zenith fractal
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problem's less with the timer, it'd still be easier and thus optimal for challenge-runs to be done as win 10

spice ravine
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does swift strike affect exagryph lucifer?

tight basin
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I'm pretty sure it does