h1-builds-and-combat

[versed jungle]

Also, some VERY useful secondary boons are:

Ares: Impending Doom, Dire Misfortune, Urge to Kill, Black Metal, Engulfing Vortex

Zeus: Double Strike, Static Discharge, High Voltage

Poseidon: Wave Pounding, Razor Shoals

Athena: Binding Flash, Brilliant Reposite

Aphrodite; Sweet Surrender

Artemis: Basically any of her secondary boons (she is broken)

Hermes: Greatest Reflex, Quick Reload, Swift Flourish/Swift Strike (Rush Delivery WITH greater haste and maybie ixion)

[tight basin]

none of these are useful in any build other than impending doom on ME builds lmao

or hyper sprint + rush delivery but that's hermes, every build can get that

[plain river]

Me when I decide to just shotgun for duo boons when more than half of these are trash

and there’s no real synergy here

like the only thing you have going for this is tidal dash I’m ngl

Wait

It’s not even tidal dash

[versed jungle]

yeah, but it allows most of the duo boons

[tight basin]

the attack/special/cast/dash make the build, you should only need 1 duo for your build to work after that

[plain river]

It’s flood shot and passion dash

[tight basin]

and most duo boons aren't good

[plain river]

you’re literally just shotgunning for duos but most of them suck

[tight basin]

and it also clogs your duo pool when you're trying to get something useful

[versed jungle]

yeah, the build works increadibly good with merciful end and curse of drowning

[plain river]

like not all duos are worth it at all and it gets in the way from you getting ones that matter while the core components of the build lack synergy wit

[versed jungle]

both are increadibly good

[plain river]

It’s divine strike and curse of pain

one of the slowest ways you could manage to use merciful end

[tight basin]

you have athena attack and ares special, ME isn't gonna work there

curse of drowning is only good on achilles if you know how to play around that and as a secondary duo boon on ME builds

but also like

any ME build is dwarfed by beowulf lmfao

[plain river]

There isn’t even much synergy between these core boons and the weapon/aspect you’re trying to use them on here

[versed jungle]

Triple Jab and Flurry Jab are important too

[versed jungle]

it does

the special inflicts doom and the attack activates it

they (together) get you ME

[plain river]

that part is understood

[tight basin]

If you reverse it and get divine dash it's a lot more effective to dash strike

[plain river]

This is also just one of the slowest options to do the strike+special Merciful End method which

for starters isn’t effective

but even then at least sword and fists can pull off their specials fast and don’t have the spear recall getting in the way

[versed jungle]

try it and then DM me the results

[tight basin]

i think i'll pass on that since i know better builds exist out there lmao

esp having played better builds

[plain river]

I’ll pass

Or

eh

[versed jungle]

ok

[plain river]

I could throw it together just to show it being wickedly slower than

[versed jungle]

yeah, probably

[plain river]

Like there’s kind of a point where you’ve played all the real speedrun and high heat builds and you can look at a build and go

there’s not really much going on

[tight basin]

the only thing i can see good about it is zeus call lmao

passion dash is just budget tdash so there's something there technically

the special is functionally useless on zag spear, athena attack is eh

[spare cedar]

Im so stiupid.... went with Gilgamesh Gloves (5 lv) and then choose at the very begining Poseidon push for dodge... it was totally disaster

[proper furnace]

?

Dash only gilga is really good

[spare cedar]

I know...

And than i pushed enemies and couldnt put special attack in it (dont know whats its english name)

500 from claws were nearly imposible to get

[proper furnace]

Is not that important lol

Just pom tidal dash and call it a build

[spare cedar]

I know but it was first time with upgreated claws :/

[jagged wasp]

what weapon including aspect takes the most skill to use?? im assuming its some kind of bow but idk

[plain river]

Off the top of my head it’s one of Hera, Rama, Zeus, and maybe Guan-Yu

[jagged wasp]

i always thought that Zeus shield was easy to use and when i played it really wasnt that hard

[plain river]

I’m thinking at like peak efficiency

It has a really high skill ceiling

Low skill floor (easy to use) but wicked high skill ceiling (hard to master)

[jagged wasp]

yea i guess especially with the 64 heat runs

[tight basin]

i'd throw achilles in there too

[jolly chasm]

I feel Beo is worth a mention as well

[tight basin]

eh

it's not that difficult to do well with

i think hera's difficultly only comes from whether or not you know how to abuse wall bug well

beo is kinda just like figuring out good grouping lmao

which doesn't really change btwn aspects

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, but I was more going with this definition of hard to use

Beo’s skill ceiling is uber high

[verbal flicker]

ebery aspects skill cieling is extremely high

[jolly chasm]

True

But some are still higher than others

[plain river]

The returns you get from having high skill with zeus shield go way farther than zag sword

[open moth]

Chaos shield is harder to get good performance out of given a certain skill threshold

[verbal flicker]

i feel like thats partly cause the weapon is just better not only the skill cieling

[plain river]

.

I suppose but Zeus has a lot more going on which leads to it having a higher skill ceiling

like

to be able to fully utilise the special you learn grouping and how to properly knock enemies into it

there is loads more going on for you to be able to put skill into which makes it harder, but ends up being more effective

[tight basin]

talos has more tech than demeter but demeter still outperforms it lmfao

so like yeah you can have a high skill ceiling but still be bad lmfao

[fast rampart]

Hey guys. just wondering if anyone has any tips/tricks/builds for the Bow please? any specific boons/aspects i should use? thanks in advance

[zenith fractal]

#h1-discussion message

[wheat elbow]

Chiron:
Aphrodite on Attack, Dionysus/Demeter on Special, if Dionysus hope for Artemis and all the Duos, if Demeter hope for Arctic Blast and her Legendary I guess (Priv Status > Fam Fave on the mirror here)

Hera:
Artemis/Demeter on Attack, Aphrodite on Cast, if Artemis their Duo is nice if you get Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark, if Demeter hope for Snow Burst and Ravenous Will (Priv Status if Demeter)

[plain river]

First note, I’m not going to talk about chiron, it’s whole thing is avoiding playing bow.

1. gameplay: Dash-strike more (this keeps you mobile, while deal damage fast so you can move out of the way/ reposition and do it all over again while taking less damage)
2. hammers: look for twin shot or triple shot first (or flurry on hera), if not these then point blank shot, perfect shot, and then last if you can’t find any of these, explosive shot
   3: generic boon picking. You want lots of strike +%, so aphrodite goes a long way due to her high +%, but artemis also goes a long way since crits pop off way harder with other sources of +%. Chaos is super valuable for strike and dash-strike damage.

You can also refer to my copy-pasta (linked above by Alexca/ Level 0 Zag sword) if you want a bit more detail about why dash striking is better or maybe just a fun read since I’m heading to bed

[fast rampart]

thank you kindly, have a good sleep

[fast rampart]

thank you for the help

[weary lance]

I was thinking recently, whats the strongest payoff build that you can go for in this game?
Pay of ass in, you are the strongest if sirtent conditions are met, be it damage, survability etc etc

with how many weapon variants there are, and with how many boon duo boons you can get, how far could you take it

assuming perfect rng, or execution

[proper furnace]

beo with trippy flare most surely

[weary lance]

okay

but thats 3 gods right

assuming mirrage shot + beo + dio cast

[proper furnace]

ye

[weary lance]

and then you get demeter chil thing

[proper furnace]

you don't need snow burst

[weary lance]

or you can be like me and get aphro, and get better palmagrams

[proper furnace]

and ice wine fixes the pom bug iirc

(trippy flare beo gets double value from poms)

[weary lance]

wait it does

that is

usefull

i never went for that

[proper furnace]

is a downside

[weary lance]

wait

that is yet another thing i didn t know

[proper furnace]

yeah

first pom is +120 lol

[weary lance]

i am like, not that experienced, so i m not suprised

[weary lance]

huh

yeah that is quite strong

is it with mirage shot too?

since it doubles your damage

since its bugged

[zenith fractal]

Ice wine is actively detrimental on trippy beo, it breaks mirage bug

[weary lance]

or is it before you double it with mirage shot

[proper furnace]

oh is mirage that breaks with ice wine?

either way still bad lol

[weary lance]

both of us are learning lol

[weary lance]

yeah so optimally speaking

[zenith fractal]

Yeah, snurst is fine (however worthless since you don't benefit much from it when the alternative is nuking the enemy with a few thousand damage)

[weary lance]

it would be better to either get better poms

from apro and poseidon

and just buff the cast

or do some weird shenanigence with duo boons i forgot about

well

ig i got my answer then

get beo with mirage shot, dio cast

and then get aphroditie? with sweet nectar if the rng lands perfectly

[lucid oar]

sweet nectar takes 2 boons that take away pom rewards in exchange for worse mirage odds and pom odds, not worth it unless it’s an extreme high roll

also planning for a specific 4 god pool is rough

[weary lance]

i know

but thats kind of the idea

"HIGHTEST POSSIBLE PAYOFF"
at the cost of it being impractical

and or impossible to get within a sane ammount of runs

theory bassicaly

[wheat elbow]

Still think Demeter is the best fourth god for Beowulf no matter the build because of Ravenous Will

[lucid oar]

highest payoff would be what the routed wr does then, max move speed with epic rd

[weary lance]

boon wise

which ones

i do not know the strat exactly

[lucid oar]

trippy flare, deadly strike, tempest flourish, mirage shot, hyper sprint, rush delivery, charged shot

actually yeah the routed wr also gets snow burst because it does damage so quickly

[weary lance]

god thats alot of head routing

to plan it all out in my head

is a challange

[wheat elbow]

Don't forget the most important thing, extra casts from Chaos and Charon Wells

[weary lance]

i feell like demeter is kind of excess here no

[wheat elbow]

Or Fully Loaded but that's asking for way too much

[weary lance]

ye ye

get that too. .

[weary lance]

i never got that one

not once

but it is worth consideration

[wheat elbow]

Same lol 150 hours and never got it, though I never really tried too hard

[weary lance]

but to like, check whether its possible to get it too i would need more numbers

and thats alot of exel work

[weary lance]

i go artemis every other run

and never

not once did i get it

well

may routing commence

i am not doing a exel sheet

i l just do it all in my head

like an idiot

[verbal flicker]

im pretty sure brute force routing takes a longggg time

[weary lance]

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-anime-sleep-tired-sad-gif-16873796

my boredom isn t that severe

[tight basin]

You could just use the current beo route that exists instead of making your own

[weary lance]

i knooow

buut

[tight basin]

It'll also do more damage than what you're gonna be doing

[weary lance]

what if its not fully optimized on the potential part

its made to be practical

not theoretically best

[tight basin]

What's not practical is you routing without the routing/seeding mod lmao

[weary lance]

you might be onto something

[tight basin]

And doing it by memory too

[weary lance]

i mean

it was mostly a joke

the conclusion is that

there is already a route made

its prob the best

and if it isn't, i can t prove its not since it would require too much time, effort and exel to pull off

[tight basin]

I think the route is like 2:2x or something in game time

So uh

Good luck finding a better route that's controllable with all the speed boosts lmao

[weary lance]

its not exactly meant to be controllable

its just meant to be technically possible

[verbal flicker]

how does routing even work? do you download a seed from another player, and manipulate that?

or by yourself, or both?

[weary lance]

lets say it has 1/10000 chance to be 1% better, with perfect luck

i am looking for things like that

and then to make a route for it, and not actually play it

since it would be pointless

[tight basin]

Manipulating what boons/items you get by doing certain actions basically

And doing that for every room until you get the "perfect" run

[tight basin]

I mean technically I guess but the issue isn't damage at this point, it's actually navigating the room perfectly after clearing it as fast as possible lmao

Like everything is already one shot lol

[plain river]

Saves you time to have your cast immediately deal a chunk of damage in an aoe around you

So you can clear out small rooms immediately

All you need to do is load a cast to tske care of styx rats for example

[weary lance]

Its just numbers

Its just a math thing

Its not meant to be usable or practical

All of what you listed would be meaningless

[weary lance]

That is pretty nice I suppose

[tight basin]

Yeah and I'm saying the only optimization left isn't the boons it's player input from that route

[olive ridge]

Anything I should know to beat the em3 heroes?

[wheat elbow]

Learn Theseus' patterns (bomb circle, bomb line, shooting line) so you can focus on eliminating Asterius

Also they're the single best use of Meg companion, just look up and press the button for instant damage on both of them

[tight basin]

focus on bull like always and just keep theseus in the corner of your eye basically

most people think theseus is easier to deal with in em3 but the bull is harder so just try not to get trampled by theseus

[plain river]

Idk I’m pretty sure the witches set-up is the single most value you can get from Meg

[open moth]

What weapon(s)?

[wheat elbow]

Oh yeah that's true but I never learned it so

[plain river]

Highkey it’s not that hard to learn since you can just exit out of combat as long as you haven’t taken any damage

and then reload into the combat from the start like new

So you can endlessly practice the witches set-up vanilla on any system

[olive ridge]

All of them honestly

[rough plaza]

I've been finding quake cutter, if possible with flying cutter, very powerful. Malphon is the weapon I have more heat on, thanks to it,and I just got the main quest ending easily enough, thanks to it. Does this track? Is quake cutter considered a good hammer?

[proper furnace]

I think is solid?
It has the issue that Demeter fists can't get it and that's its best aspect

Explosive upper really good

[plain river]

Pretty solid on the aspects that can pick it up

They don’t have many really impactful options so I’d say it’s up there

[cosmic musk]

aspect of hera + aphrodite's cast 👌

[fading flower]

that literally won me a run once

[plain river]

So like

not to make any waves or anything but that is the optimal cast for speed hera

[tight basin]

also just hera in general lmao

every other cast on hera straight up just feels bad other than dio

[plain river]

I’ve had fun/speed success with flood shot

[tight basin]

even before i started speedrunning way back then it was just bad without aphro cast

[rapid furnace]

Is pulverizing blow or empowering flight better with zues shield?

[plain river]

Pulv blow usually

What’s your third option?

Empowering only triggers when you catch the shield

[rapid furnace]

Dashing wallop.

[rapid furnace]

Oh thats weird

[plain river]

Probably pulv blow I’m biased towards dashing flight

[rapid furnace]

Yea I kinda leaned towards the other 2 also. Thanks man

[rapid furnace]

What build should I use for hades spear?

[still vortex]

can someone remind me how athena attack works on the rail? when and where does it deflect?

[plain river]

Iirc it just deflects at the tip of the bullet when it’s fired

It’s terribly ineffective for damage and defense

[merry summit]

do i use infernal or stygian soul for hera?

i have both maxed

i think ill go stygian

[proper furnace]

Infernal unless you wanna use trippy shot

You benefit a lot from the burst dmg

[merry summit]

i mean i like trippy shot

so sure

[proper furnace]

(hera's best cast is aphro's)

[merry summit]

oh

kk

[open moth]

You should be killing stuff so fast that you can just pick your casts up faster than Stygian would recharge it

[plain river]

Unironically there are like

2 solid build paths and then there’s making a spin-build

you can take advantage of the spin buff really well by using a dash-striking build with serrated edge and (usually) artemis strike

or you can take explosive launcher -> charged skewer for high base damage specials

These 2 hammer routes let you really make use of the additive damage Hades spear provides you

either way you’re probably going to run artemis on the main damage source (strike or special respectively) and aphrodite on either strike or dash depending on which build it is

[copper holly]

Anyone have any good bow builds?

One thing I like is the dadalis upgrade with volley shots

[verbal flicker]

Which aspect?

[copper holly]

Zagreus

Given thr volly arrow let you continuously fire arrows but cant do charge shots anymore

[verbal flicker]

Oh flurry shot?

Yeah it's solid but for zag generally point blank, triple and perfect are better

It's still a good hammer tho

Tbh I haven't used zag n
Bow before (only the base bow) but id assume Artemis attack or smth

[copper holly]

I was able to get almost to thr end of thr game with that

[verbal flicker]

And like special isn't super good but maybe Dio idrk

[copper holly]

Damn you hades

His second wind

Is what got me

I got his healtbar down but after he spoke he got back up

I was running a critical build

Mainly using Artemis boons

I find the whole trying to get thr perfect shot a but annoying

Bit*

When charging

[copper holly]

You know?

Is there a way to find hammers faster?

[verbal flicker]

I don't think there's any way to manipulate the rng

[copper holly]

Ok

Also when I said zag it was still as you get it for thr first time

[verbal flicker]

Ok

I don't think it changes much

[copper holly]

Which weapons your favorite

[tight basin]

near the end of the mirror there's an upgrade called dark foresight, that would help you get your hammer faster on average

[verbal flicker]

Oh right yeah but it doesn't get you more

Just the two a bit quicker

[verbal flicker]

Shield

And then bow

[fathom iris]

Can someone give me an op aspect of Hera build?

[verbal flicker]

Aphrodite cast, posedion dash, Artemis attack, mirage shot (pos and Artemis duo), as well as snow burst from dem

Get cast dmg and stones from chaos and well

[fathom iris]

Okay bet I’ll try this build

I hope I can actually beat hades with this

Is it crazy to say Theseus and Asterius are harder than hades?

[zenith fractal]

crazy take but pop off king

[proper furnace]

I have often seen the take but don't agree with it

[copper holly]

I main the bow and Asterius isn't the problem for me its theseus thats thr problem

More specifically his shield

Is there anyway I can make the fight more bareable

He won't stay still long enough for me to get any notable damage in like one or 2 arrows tops

[proper furnace]

Wait for spear throw > dodge > he retreats while exposing his back
Or.
Walk next to him > white outline indicating spin attack appears, dash through him, hit his back

Also use dash strikes

Charge much faster

During his god call he drops the shield so you can keep attacking him while you dodge the call

[tight basin]

You'll only be able to get that many hits generally each time unfortunately

Like maybe 3? But you always have to wait

[copper holly]

So when he calls on those like Ares Zeus Athena Artemis is when I should I strike

[proper furnace]

Yeah

If the build is really good you can kill him outright or leave him almost dead if not

[copper holly]

I hate him snipping me while I'm facing half bull friend

I've tried dodging

[proper furnace]

Always have a pillar between you and theseus while fighting asterius

[copper holly]

Thanks for thr tips

I always try to get Athenas dash

Is that a good one

And is there a way for me get more dashes aside from hermes

Like i he can range from 1-3 if the rarity is higher or lower

[proper furnace]

Outside of your mirror +1 dash no

[proper furnace]

Best defensive dash

[copper holly]

Aka greater reflexes

So two is the max base set?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Oh
There's one weapon aspect that gives you +2 dashes too but dunno how far have you gone in that regard

[copper holly]

Messed up with the titan blood so im resetting

It was before I learned that you can use them to upgrade weapons after you get all thrm

[proper furnace]

Did you trade them for gems

[copper holly]

3 of them

[proper furnace]

Ouch

[copper holly]

So yeah cause of that im resetting

Valid or no?

[proper furnace]

Personally I wouldn't but that's me knowing what works with limited amount of blood

My first save I cheated blood in

[copper holly]

So we both made that mistake before?

[proper furnace]

Oh no I was worse, just lazy to grind blood

Anyways if you don't wanna reset you can do like
Hera lvl 1/zag bow level 3/zeus shield level 1

Those all work fine at low levels

[copper holly]

Oh wait you talking about keeping 15 keys on you right

I've seen that limited trade but failed to have it

And when I say that I mean I didn't have the amount of keys needed

[proper furnace]

My first save was a mess where I was just, lazy to play it properly, not proud of that but whatever lol

I didn't discover about the trades until much later

But also re: keys trade, once you are done with mirror/weapon unlocks is def good to have always 15 keys just in case

On new files I just trade gems into keys for it too

[copper holly]

Yesh after I buy all the blueprints and such I rarely use gems aside from keys

Amd ive only horded keys to unlock the mirror fully

[fathom iris]

Can someone give me a crazy eris rail build?

[plain river]

Zeus strike / static discharge (from zeus) / tidal dash

either artemis or aphrodite special and from there you either nab pressure points/support fire/hunter’s mark from artemis, or smouldering air with zeus or dio call from aphrodite

main hammers you care about are rocket bomb, cluster bomb, triple bomb, in that order

You can get storm lightning ot one of the other splitting bolt prerequisites (double strike or high voltage) to aim for splitting bolt

[frank goblet]

delta is also a fine hammer if you dont get those offered

[plain river]

Poms on tdash and static discharge

pos has breaking wave and razor shoals that are both really valuable as well

[fathom iris]

Thanks shackle

Wouldn’t Demeter be a great option for this build?

[plain river]

Hermes is your standard hyper sprint -> rush delivery

4th god is reaching

[fathom iris]

Cold fusion is really good

[plain river]

That’s asking a bit too much and you’re already applying jolted so often

[fathom iris]

True

[plain river]

and chill just makes jolted prok less often

[fathom iris]

Ohhh

Makes sense thanks

[plain river]

ideally I’d probably have dio as the forth since you could get premium vintage and the fountain one that I’m blanking on so hard rn

premium vintage is a free level and max hp on gifts means you have to take even less centaur hearts

[fathom iris]

Ohh yeah bet I’ll try and see if I can get him

[tight basin]

Or Dio call

[fathom iris]

That’s so useful

I’m going Zeus call for this one

[tight basin]

Demeter is generally never a great option for any build except like 2 lmao

[plain river]

You just end up tossing out tons of damage to be multiplied by all your global additive

and crits like pressure points/hunter’s mark from artemis

It’s one of the strongest builds if you have everything together

really strong with just zeus and pos tbf

everything else is just a bonus

[fathom iris]

For Styx do I go to the mini boss rooms first or the normal ones?

[tight basin]

Miniboss rooms are generally faster and less random

Smaller rooms

[plain river]

Also safer tbh

[tight basin]

Unless tiny rat lmao

But otherwise not too bad

[fathom iris]

Tidal dash for tiny rats

[plain river]

Tiny Rat miniboss is the problem

5/6 minibosses are easy as hell and then Tony (tiny rat)

[fathom iris]

Oh shoot true

[verbal flicker]

also barge

not hard but annoying and long

[plain river]

Barge isn’t a styx miniboss

[verbal flicker]

There are 6 Styx mini bosses?

[jolly chasm]

5, barge is in aspho

[proper furnace]

We should find a random hades player and install super barge without them noticing

[plain river]

2 per arena

3 arenas

[verbal flicker]

Big rat, bomb, saytr, stone, small rat and who else?

[verbal flicker]

Yeah ik I thought he was taking about in general

[proper furnace]

?

[plain river]

I’m horribly misremembering

[plain river]

My bad

[tight basin]

bestie what is super barge

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/dpdjzSsBxVs?t=23565

[tight basin]

what the acutal hell 😭

[proper furnace]

I love it

[tight basin]

ngl that was hella impressive from tounis

my ass would be dead immediately

[zenith fractal]

I heard something interesting at 6:39:45, I wanna take a stab at this

[zenith fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695178152325939303/1477668757089419397/Screenshot_2026-03-01_150755.png?ex=69a599c5&is=69a44845&hm=5262db3ef84a8ba490687aeb98987daf0bc4b2eda1016ea12075d51ab6c84978&
ok nvm if you get +dashes from the hermes the mod forces beforehand it's kinda free

[fathom iris]

Can someone give me a good nemesis blade build?

[potent tree]

Ol' reliable
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-nemesis-blade

[fathom iris]

Thanks ima see these

[copper holly]

Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

[fathom iris]

What’s the best keepsake for beating hades

Is it broken spear point?

[cosmic kayak]

I really like using Cerberuses keepsake

[fathom iris]

What about broken spear point?

Is that also good?

[potent tree]

Acorn 🌰

[cosmic kayak]

I don't have any experience with it yet

[fathom iris]

Aww

[fathom iris]

But that’s only for 3 hits I think first level

Spear point you don’t get hit every seven seconds

[cosmic kayak]

each encounter

[fathom iris]

Ohhh

[potent tree]

I don't think you'll be taking hits in rapid succession during boss fights, especially against Hades, so the spearpoint's defensive utility may be limited. On the other hand, Acorn absorbs some hard hits

[copper holly]

Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

[fathom iris]

Oh okay thanks

[verbal flicker]

what no

only the boss

[cosmic kayak]

not?

ah

[daring briar]

is playing in god mode a "dirty" way?

[cosmic kayak]

play how you like

[verbal flicker]

but yeah as packrat said, acorn is better as thats quite a lot of dmg saved whereas spearpoint has a chance to not get value, it is useful in styx rooms tho

[verbal flicker]

no, you do you

[cosmic kayak]

I prefer the grind

[potent tree]

Only if you wanna be weird about it

[fathom iris]

How do I get rid of the tiny Elysium carts easily

They always do so much dmg to me

And the big carts too

[proper furnace]

dash through walls

[verbal flicker]

pos dash or athena dash generally

[proper furnace]

they'll blow themselves up

[fathom iris]

I have pos dash rn

[verbal flicker]

or yeah thru walls

[fathom iris]

I did that

And it exploded on m

Me

[verbal flicker]

u should be able to melt them

if u dash into them yeah

[fathom iris]

Oh

[verbal flicker]

u have to dash away and let the wave hit them

[frank goblet]

you can dash through walls and through them if you need to double around

[fathom iris]

Oh shoot

Thanks

What about the stupid big carts

[frank goblet]

also shield can just use bullrush

[proper furnace]

for the big chariots leading them into walls also work

[fathom iris]

Okay bet

[proper furnace]

or just outrun them until they stop

[frank goblet]

dashing through them stops them

[proper furnace]

just mind if they are armored as you can't stagger them

[fathom iris]

Armored enemies are so annoying

And the witches that shoot the clustered balls

[daring briar]

what's good for Stygian Blade (zagreu aspect)

[fathom iris]

Check the build ideas guide above

Anyone know what the last two things in the mirror do

?

[plain river]

which side? purple/green

[fathom iris]

Both

I have genuinely no idea

[plain river]

I mean I think the epic chance and duo chance are pretty straight forward

[fathom iris]

Oh yeah

The last one I mean

[fathom iris]

Which one of those should I use

[plain river]

Fated Authority lets you reroll doors and fated persuasion lets you reroll everything else pretty much

[fathom iris]

Holy hell

That’s good

Which one should I use

For both

[verbal flicker]

persuasion

[fathom iris]

What abt for gods pride

[plain river]

God’s pride for most

[fathom iris]

Okay bet I’ll use gods pride then

What’s better? Seeking fire, explosive fire or flurry fire

[plain river]

eh

[fathom iris]

Man these hammers are so trash

[plain river]

those are all pretty mid

[fathom iris]

I have to pick one

I’m farming for darkness rn

To get fated persuasion

[plain river]

Explosive ig

[fathom iris]

Also im doing the chain lightning build

With pos dash

[plain river]

I assumed as much

[fading flower]

did you not unlock divine persuasion or whatever its called on the mirror

[fading flower]

i see

[fathom iris]

Yo I just beat hades for the first time

Finally after so long

Exactly on my 50th run

[fading flower]

damn!

thats nice

[fathom iris]

Tysm man

[fathom iris]

I did

It’s so useful

But expensive asf for me

[worthy snow]

hey, i just picked up hades like a month or so ago, and i'm struggling a bit with the hades fight. and i've beaten him only three times. and i know that's good, but i want to be better.

[zenith fractal]

a lot of the difficulty in hades comes from understanding what's strong and what's a noob-trap. pins of this channel has a pretty accurate guide to help with that.

[worthy snow]

yea, i've been watching Healien, but he's all maxed on everything so it's hard to take pointers. the weapons i've noticed i'm good with is the ones that allow me to keep my distance. like thee bow or the spear was a starter weapon i was good with. the aspects i've favored is the aspect of Achilles for the spear i really liked that. and Chiron for the bow. but i want to try the other weapons. like the sword aspect of athur was good once i learned how to use it but i lost all my death definces before Theseus and barely made it through that fight

it was because i got too close

and he called Dioynsus

because i was favouring Poseidon

[plain river]

If you’re using closer ranged weapons you pretty much need to be dashing more often than before

It lets you reposition out of the way of enemy attacks, and empty dashes (dashes that aren’t dash-strikes) have iframes so you can avoid attacks that were going to hit you anyways

Dash-strikes are also just a really quick option for damage on most weapons

*all

[plain river]

Tbh Haelian is a very good Hades player but a fair amount of his Hades content is still geared for youtube so it’s like challenge run stuff not necessarily conventional picks all the time

[worthy snow]

yea, i noted that. i got hermes extra dashes and they really came in cluch for the boss. all of them if i can get it early.

and i am besties with dio

so it hurt to see him pick Theseus

i had words

i was a bit angry

[plain river]

Theseus will only ever pick a god you don’t have boons from

*unless you managed to have all of them by the time you get to the Heroes fight, then he defaults to Artemis

[worthy snow]

yea, cool. you just handed me gold.

Artemis is the only one i can not get hit by. her and Demeter

[plain river]

do you know about how the godpool works (the 4 regular olympian god cap)?

[worthy snow]

yes, i watch some videos on how that works. i was trying to learn the mirror, and it said i could bypass it with the keepsakes.

[plain river]

You can, normally it isn’t the greatest idea since most of the time it’s better to get more boons from the gods you already have

[worthy snow]

yea, ok, i didn't know that. well not exactly, it's good the get the same god for like Duos and legendary boons

and i have a few favs, low tolrence is good, and curse of nursa

please excuse my spelling it's really bad

[plain river]

That’s ok

[plain river]

Getting more than 4 gods means you’re spreading your build really thin

compared to, for example, grabbing more zeus secondary boons and making the lightning you’re already throwing out even stronger

or artemis and grabbing pressure points to crit more often (and crit on everything), and hunter’s mark to let your crits start chaining around to multiple enemies

[worthy snow]

yea, i think i saw that before i did a run with a really bad weapon too slow. i can't remeber. no i was learning something new, so i thought i'd do a cast build to keep my distance and not get hit well i'm trying to learn it, normally i'd go with trippy shot, but i forgot to swich my keepsake so i had Aries instead. so i went with his cast and it only got beafy from there

[plain river]

Exactly

you can build around 1 or 2 things and make them really strong

[worthy snow]

yea, when i was challaged by the game to get the sword to the surface with the ascpect of athur, that was a challage, so i went with poseidon at first thinking the sword was begging for his speacl then i watched Healian give pointers to another person useing it with a heat, and he said the speacl is handy but it's a strike weapon, then i swiched gears, chose aphrodite on my attack, and i got all her boons like for the week, curse of longing i think i ended up with aries along the way i don't know, i got poseidon's aid, and well got a few Duos with him because i had demeter's boon that gives you more health. and yea.

[broken tinsel]

is the aspect of arthur good i just got it and i just beat theseus and asterius in 30 seconds

[potent tree]

It's fun, but it's like doing combat with a 50lb sword: you'll hit hard, but a regular sword will do more in the meantime

[open moth]

Every weapon is usable until you start doing like 40-50 heat

[broken tinsel]

im doing 2 cuz im new😭

[broken tinsel]

hades destroyed me

[worthy snow]

yea, no Hades is hard.

i have like 100 runs and have only beaten him three times.

my first reaction was like "oh my Gods i did it." and stood on that screen for a total of a mintue trying to calm down.

the second time was "bless posion damage, and bombs. (AKA trippy shot)" then the thrid was "suck on that one father" and i haven't won one since.

never get too proud, pride has proven evil in myth

[potent tree]

Have you already examined how the speedrunners play? It helped me a lot

[worthy snow]

i watch Healien.

but i don't get it just yet.

i'm also a victem of favourite weapons. so when i try something else i burn.

i favour the bow and spear. so when i was told by the game to use acspect of athur for the sword i didn't know what to do.

till i watched Healien say stike not speacl weapon.

[potent tree]

If it helps, you might think of every weapon as a Dash-Strike specialization

[worthy snow]

to me i think of the weapons of how to keep the enemies away from me.

so the sword is the speacl

so i picked poseidon

[potent tree]

Ah, that's a habit you'll want to break

[worthy snow]

and i like Hermes.

[potent tree]

Hermes is great

[worthy snow]

one because he doesn't pick Theseus like my tradiorus uncles and other family. and two the extra dashes are really handy.

especlly in the Hades fight. you don't get hit as often

i also have learned when he goes invisable to watch the snow footprints so i can dash out the way of his next attack.

if that's handy for newer players who are taking hades on for the frist time

[potent tree]

Always be fighting Hades near one of the two big rocks in the arena. Helps block so much

[worthy snow]

ohhh damn i didn't think of that. i rely so hard on Dioynsus's poison damage to slowly chip at his health/

and i have doom on my attack or speacl depending on my weapn

hoping for curse of nursa

[potent tree]

You may want to slowly start getting used to offensive playstyles. Defense falls apart pretty quickly through the Heat grinds

Curse of Nausea, if I remember it right, is...not great

[wheat elbow]

Curse of Nausea is very good, Curse of Drowning is crap

[worthy snow]

well if you pom Dio enough it can do nearly 80 damage

and pair it with somthing like low torlince it can hit for way more.

[potent tree]

Oh, I might've confused it with Curse of Drowning

[worthy snow]

i don't know that one. but from the name i'm going to assume it's Aries and Poseidon.

[potent tree]

I wonder if I still have my old videos...

[worthy snow]

i wish i can record me playing. i play on swich so i can't. because if i can show one run and get pointers of what i can do better will be nice.

because i geneally want to get better.

[potent tree]

I stand by watching speedrunners. But if you want to watch a slow speedrunner whose run might be more digestible: https://youtu.be/m91CZSrP53w

[worthy snow]

that's the best sword acspect right? i assume that because it's the second unlock for something right. like Achilles and Chiron.

[potent tree]

Yeah, that's the favored sword aspect. Looking at my old gameplay, it seems like I'm 1. lining up enemies for dash-strikes and 2. prioritizing standing in a corner to await new spawns

[worthy snow]

so something else i've learned from playing. is that i struggle with raged enemies

like the spreeders in Elisyem

[potent tree]

The standing-in-corner is mainly a speedrun thing, but it does help normal runs by forcing enemies to spawn on one side of Zagreus; it's nice not to get surrounded

[worthy snow]

or like any enemy in Elisyem

[worthy snow]

yes and that

i learned to try an cornor them to take one on at a time

it doesn't work

but i try

it's that they out speed me. so i try to have a chill effect somewhere

or a try to have a couple extra dashes from Hermes

[potent tree]

Unfortunately, that sounds about right for defensive gameplay

Oh my gosh I'm so bad at aiming sword Dash-Strikes in that video

[worthy snow]

i have arto aim. so i don't know bad aim

[potent tree]

Here's a better one I made after getting some advice from the speedrunners here: https://youtu.be/oE3yatVV32A?si=igkLOuik6q-6WN4g

[worthy snow]

ok i'll give it a watch. i want to learn the other weapons so yea. umm, you wouldn't have something on rama for the bow? i did the prophcy already, but i want to try and go for a clear with it.

[potent tree]

I do not, but I have a Hestia which is somewhat in the same ballpark. I'm really not joking about every single weapon wanting to Dash-Strike constantly
https://youtu.be/G_C4Fx0KtLo

These are so nostalgic 😆

[worthy snow]

Hastia is the gun right?

[potent tree]

Yep!

[worthy snow]

i liked the gun at first.

i think i cleared with it

hang on let me check

i did

no heat

think it was when i first unlocked it

[potent tree]

Oh my gosh look at this armored mini chariot room: https://youtu.be/G_C4Fx0KtLo?t=806

[worthy snow]

you are better than me at this game that's for sure

[potent tree]

Was better LOL

[worthy snow]

well in that room i'd have lost a death defince and be begging the game for Patroclus before i reach the boss then lose them all to Theseus. if you can keep them thro the hero's fight then you are better

is it just me or do all players have the same reaction to Pat

"thank the Gods it's you"

[potent tree]

You'll become a hyper-offense player before ya know it

[worthy snow]

because i walk in and go "hey pat yea the kiss of the styx can't survive the next room without it." because i haven't finished the story with Achilles and Pat yet, and the game won't let me give more nectar. i ligit go at me screen "i want to give him somthing, he ligit the reason imma see hades this run let me thank him"

and with Theseus i walk in like something to fear. with a 12x5 poison damage, some weak in a dash, and doom in an attack. i deal nearly 300 hundred damage and am deliting health bars. i had trppry shot hitting for about more than that with cold wine in my back pocket.

[tight basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIWlVdc-iM

it's been a while so i dont remember how good of a run it was but it should give a decent idea lmao

wait that's not rama

i just assumed it was bc it had it in the name hold on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgt9xmjgxk

this one is def rama

[worthy snow]

cool thanks

i just want to see if i can make all the bow ascpects work for me.

and i want to be diffrent

(me worshiping Dio in the background with Chiron's bow)

[potent tree]

Oh wait I'd forgotten Chiron is a thing LOLOL

[tight basin]

rama is a really strong aspect so would def recommend learning it

one of the harder aspects to learn tho bc of how slow it charges even with the increased speed from dash striking

[worthy snow]

yea, i spam speacl till every is poisoned.

because arrows bounce

it make stacking on multple enemys faster.

[tight basin]

would also recommend learning to use the attack instead of just spamming the special lmfao

bc at that point just use rail

[worthy snow]

yea i see your point. the only clears i've had is with the bow, spear, and gun.

[olive ridge]

am i tripping or is sea storm not that good on chiron
i had jolted double strike zeus lego and ruptured
and it still felt worse than the usual dio build

[proper furnace]

Zeus stuff have internal cooldowns

Lightning bolts is 0.2s

Bow special too fast = you only get 1 or 2 bolts

[olive ridge]

how come rama gets full value then

[proper furnace]

It doesn't

Visually maybe but the dmg is still from one bolt

[olive ridge]

still felt way better tho

[proper furnace]

It just benefits better cuz special has 5 base dmg and it ricochets

[olive ridge]

does anything even get full value then

[proper furnace]

Chiron is pure single dmg

Zeus shield, funny enough

[olive ridge]

thats so wack
why can't i do the funnies on chiron

even got the perfect build

[proper furnace]

Iirc someone removed the internal cooldown and it still wasn't that crazy

Chiron lacks aoe so bad is sad

[zenith fractal]

bad zagbow strikes again

[fathom iris]

Should I get Chiron aspect bow or nah

[dire quiver]

It’s pretty good until you can get the hidden aspect (Aspect of Rama) in my opinion.

[tight basin]

Chiron isn't considered a "good" aspect but it's still like very usable and intuitive to use with good builds
Any of the other bows are considered better but Chiron still works, just needs more titan blood investment than any of the others to be usable

[vestal salmon]

New here, but I wanted to share a hades build that has carried me pretty well.
It’s what I like to call a stasis build:
Malphon (Aspect of Demeter)
Attack boons:
Demeter Strike
Dionysus Flourish
Zeus/Athena Shot
Aphrodite Dash
Artemis Aid
Buff boons:
Killing Freeze
Static Discharge/Blinding Flash
Empty Inside
Duo Boons:
Cold Fusion(Zeus/Demeter)
Low Tolerance(Dionysus/Aphrodite)
Optional Boons:
Dying Lament
Sweet Surrender
Broken Resolve
Bad influence
Peer Pressure
Pressure Points
Support Fire
Any Athena boons that give back death defy
Daedalus Upgrades preferred:
Breaching Cross
Concentrated Knuckle
Colossus Knuckle

[plain river]

holy long boon list

Demeter strike and dio flourish sounds so backwards for demeter fists

[vestal salmon]

I did that because you have 10 stack on the Demeter and only 5 (I think) on Dio.

[plain river]

the big special is a really nice burst option so it pairs nicely with demeter’s additive damage bonus where the strike hits quite fast so it applies dio

dio stacks to 5 unless you have low tolerance then it’s 8 on weakened foes but it’s more about the nature of their damage tbh

[wheat elbow]

Wrong chat this is for Hades 1, also you have to special directly into enemies for your attacks to do something (and that something is HUGE damage thanks to the 90% bonus)

[plain river]

Spoilers

[potent tree]

I'm glad to see people are still confusing H1 and H2 chats

[plain river]

head over to #h2-builds-and-combat and delete your messages

[lost swan]

😭 😭 whoops

[fathom iris]

Yo what aspect should I unlock

I have 4 titans blood

The only hidden aspect available is the guan yu aspect

@plain river what do you recommend?

[plain river]

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents improve it)
Spear: achilles (solid at level 1, but vastly improves with more more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

hidden spear, bow and rail all scale super well with levels

hidden sword/fists/shield should be fine with just 1 level and you can scrape the blood out to level those up later

[fathom iris]

I have all of these except for Demeter and hidden spear

I haven’t gotten the option to get hidden everything else

What do you think I should do?

[plain river]

Hidden spear does come first byw

the other options are more complicated to get

[fathom iris]

Oh shoot

[plain river]

you can find how in #h1-story-discussion it’s likenthe third pin

[fathom iris]

Okay bet thanks

I might aswell just unlock it

[plain river]

they’re more of an involved process

for everything but the sword

[fathom iris]

Ohhh I seee

Yeah I’m definitely going with guanyu so I can get everything else

[dire quiver]

Is there any way to get titans blood back from aspects I accidentally upgraded..?

-# Also is the hidden bow aspect better than the Hera aspect?

[zenith fractal]

if you've not triggered an autosave yet, just savequit and you'll be reverted back to last save from before whatever you did in that room

[zenith fractal]

depends what for

speed hera is a bit better, heat rama is significantly better

[frank goblet]

one day rama will take over hera surely :)

[zenith fractal]

it already has 50heat record and briefly (for like a day) held anyheat record, close enough

[dire quiver]

Thanks 🫡
-# I honestly thought Chiron was better than Hera and have it leveled twice… why is there no way to get our blood back

[potent tree]

There is unlimited blood available to farm, thankfully

[fathom iris]

What’s the best way to farm blood?

I want to undock all the aspects

[potent tree]

Sometimes the Broker will have a good deal on Blood! Completing relevant prophecies and Heat bounties is good, but those are obviously limited. Fishing on the surface and landing a Perfect Catch works (may need to trade fish Ambrosia for blood at the Broker)! Finally, can sometimes buy it from Charon in Styx

[fathom iris]

Thanks man I’ll do all of these and hopefully completely every aspect

[potent tree]

Oh you'd better

[fathom iris]

Wait what’s the best hidden aspect with low blood invested

[plain river]

Beo

[fathom iris]

That’s the fists right?

[plain river]

Shield

[fathom iris]

Ohh

I’ll try and get it first then

[vestal salmon]

Ok so here’s a basic build that you need to be incredibly lucky to pull off.
Hidden aspect of rail
Infinite ammo Daedalus upgrade
Ares attack and stack doom buffs.
I managed to get to hades with this build, but I couldn’t get enough survivability boons to win.

[tight basin]

it's less about survivability boons and more of dodging at the right time and having decent max hp

the only good survivability boons would only be like weak application and divine dash lmao

weak application being aphrodite attack or special

[vestal salmon]

That run was a while ago, but I’m pretty sure I was missing my cast and dash boon during that run.

[tight basin]

cast doesn't really matter for your build if it isn't a cast build

dash would only matter if it's divine dash for defense

tidal dash could count if you want to deal more damage so they die faster

[vestal salmon]

Fair. Generally, I need to, as hornet says, “Git Gud”

[tight basin]

lmao it do be like that

[dire quiver]

What aspect should I max for the fists? I have a bunch of blood from finishing a prophecy and I want to max the fists out first.

[zenith fractal]

[round rose]

Got Epic rare crop, and only had 2 boons, BRUH T_T

should i even take it

i have hunter dash and lightning reflexes

i can reroll demeter

idk if i should

[dire quiver]

Thanks 🫡

[plain river]

These are such mid rarity scaling boons

[round rose]

I know :(

[tight basin]

generally no bc demeter doesn't really offer much most of the time

unless you're playing a cast based aspect like hera or beowulf then not much of a reason to reroll

since most of her utility comes from having a lot of unpommables outside of castpects lmfao

just take the free upgrade and move on bc you waste a reroll

[devout prism]

Decided to come back to the first game and had fun with a delightful shotgun build.

[dire quiver]

What's the best spear aspect?

[zenith fractal]

Depends what for. High heat prefers Guan Yu (has beaten 64 modded), anyheat prefers achilles (has a modded sub-5 time).

[cosmic musk]

any tips on how to deal w bullet hell lvls (like the one in Asphodel with the 4 witches) when using the Rail or Bow? i despise running into them when i do a non-Divine Dash run

[dire quiver]

I love the aspect of Guan Yu it’s so fun

[zenith fractal]

There's a meg setup for witches' circle

And outside of that, often the solution to all your life's problems when playing Hades is figuring out how to scale your damage better

[dire quiver]

And I need to beat high heat for the statues (which I have no idea what they do)

[zenith fractal]

(They do nothing except look pretty and trigger some dialogue)

[dire quiver]

😑

I saw someone was able to pick their starting boon a Hades video, I thought that’s what they did.

-# how do I unlock that…?

[zenith fractal]

did that run have a few faces in the top right corner

[dire quiver]

Hmmm… lemme check

[zenith fractal]

If so, what you watched was a run with the speedrunning QoL modpack

Which has that as one of its settings

[dire quiver]

Oh 😞

It’s not unlock-able without mods?

[frank goblet]

ye its purely a modded thing👍

[dire quiver]

I got so excited to unlock that

Because it was gonna make my time finishing the duo and legendary prophecies done 😭

[dire quiver]

What’s the best mirror set up?

[plain river]

Are you doing heat or speed

most things are going to stay constant and then some options change

and at most the difference between aspects is changing the cast ones and maybe fiery vs shadow presence

Give me a second to open up my switch and remember the order so I can give my 2 cents in ordr

which will basically just be “this is better then that” or “this is better for speed, this is better for heat” etc

fiery presence vs shadow presence: most weapons want fiery since first hit can be the only hit you need with fiery presence

Cthonic vitality >>> dark regen since it’s consistent and always applies

[frank goblet]

unless it's heat, most everything takes shadow in high heat

[plain river]

death defiance vs stubborn defiance depends on if you’re dying more to bosses or the average room. This means stubborn normally takes precendent when you get to high heat

greater reflex >>> ruthless reflex with the exception of gilgamesh usually since it has dashes to spare for global additive in return. Otherwise having a second dash is like double the dps for every other weapon which mainly use dash strikes for damage

and it’s just extra mobility and damage

boiling blood >>> abyssal, extra damage dealt is effective damage reduction by killing enemies faster

Infernal Soul Vs Stygian Soul depends if you’re running a castpect and if your build is going to be able to be eligible for Lightning Rod (Artemis/Zeus duo) or not

Infernal is better for pretty much every castpect unless you’re running trippy shot/flare

Stygian gives you better rush delivery odds for regular aspects and if you aren’t planning on hitting lightning rod or using it it’s a very valuable pick for that option I thin

You do trade off some early game cast burst potential for it though

deep pockets >>> golden touch for letting you buy a boon from the first tartarus midshop also you should be using your obols fast and loosely for the most part

it makes you stronger faster so you can snowball

which is good for both speedrunning and high heat

getting your god pool is order in tartarus is major enough though

thick skin >>> high confidence unless you are speedrunning, enough said

family favourites > priv status unless you’re running hangover focused build or crush burst hera

god’s pride >>> god’s legacy since having high rarity boons means the duos can work even more effectively and you have a lot of tools and methods/strategies to let you get duo/legendaries more consistently

dark foresight >>> olympian favour because getting 7 more gold laurels is infinitely more valuable than that rarity bonus tbh

Fated Persuasion > Fated Authority for a whole host of reasons but the first one is definitely being able to reroll your 2 hermes boons of the run

That should be everything?

Ping any specific message if you have questions about a specific choice

[dire quiver]

Heat

[plain river]

Everything there should be fine then

Big ticket changes for heat are actually using shadow presence for most weapons and stubborn defiance once you turn on lasting consequences 4 then the other variations are just if you’re using a castpect or not

and that’s all detailed per option above ^

[tight basin]

you only take shadow presence on like rama or you're using DC

[dire quiver]

Oh gosh so much reading proceeds to save to notes

[plain river]

It’s like maybe 1-2 sentences per option

[frank goblet]

shield with cshot too no?

[tight basin]

there's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies if that's more convenient for you to use

[plain river]

I think mobile discord makes it look like way more text as someone on mobile

[tight basin]

for heat? i wouldn't

i dont even think the cshot can backstab

if it can well

[dire quiver]

Thank you’

[tight basin]

you're not likely backstabbing with shield cshot anyways

[plain river]

The basic rails once you have dc like

[frank goblet]

very certain it can lol

[plain river]

You aren’t actually going to be hitting first real damage tick with special at that point

[tight basin]

you're generally front facing on shield i would imagine

[plain river]

Yoh new dialogue line

[tight basin]

idk i wouldn't run shadow on cshot, the consistent 75% on grouped enemies sounds way better

[plain river]

I got fed up with my seed so I died to a checked notes wretched pest

little guy with the urns and mines

“Have you tried avoiding them?”
“I have not.”

[frank goblet]

much better over the course of a run given you're often not one shotting and also bc of bossing, similar idea with hestia in heat

[tight basin]

fair i suppose

i would've thought normal combats would take longer so you go for fiery

i guess 2 backstabs is more damage

[plain river]

I think the bossing potential makes it worth two cents once you actually get up there with dc2

[tight basin]

or equal i think if math works out

with dc2 you always take shadow yeah

[plain river]

math should be 2 hits with +50% vs 2 hits where only one has +75%

so 2 backstabs is more

[tight basin]

yeah that makes sense idk why i thought it would be equal

for some reason i thought there was some bonus damage somewhere lmfao

if i ever go back to hades i might try shadow for high heat zag shield if i remember

[plain river]

I find myself doing a night where I actually do try to do some speedruns like

Once a month now

after talking about Hades gives me the itch again

[tight basin]

i haven't gotten the hades itch in a while lmao

not even h2

haven't even gotten epilogue yet in h2 either

[plain river]

I still haven’t bought Hades 2

[tight basin]

h1 last played aug 15, h2 last played dec 13 lmfao

[plain river]

come to think of it Hades 2 on sale is like the same amount as the pitcher I got tonight could’ve been sober for settlers of Catan while also having a new game

[tight basin]

LMAO

what if

h2 while not sober

[plain river]

hmmmm

I think my Hades 1 performance rn is

it’s gotta be a mix of being rusty

[tight basin]

i mean tbh if you know you're gonna play h2 at some point just grab it when it's on sale in the future

[plain river]

I just want to leave Tartarus below like 2:30

With tdash

[tight basin]

i think your issue is playing unmodded lmfao

[plain river]

But the game wants me to take athena and ares

TRUE

[tight basin]

are you doing zag bow

[plain river]

wait let me grab my laptop

[frank goblet]

zagsword calls...

[plain river]

I just downloaded it on my pc so I could download codex mod I can download speedrunn modpack

btw guys

new lore

Zag rail attack speed and chain lightning itc (zeus strike) are 0.167s

not 0.15s

Straight from the game files

[tight basin]

oh wtf

that's 1/6 right

[plain river]

Yep

There’s a seperate timer with 0.15s that’s an initial cooldown so I can understand the confusion

[tight basin]

that makes sense i guess

[plain river]

So I showed Alexca this but idk if I showed you this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621071775764530/1478686966743564459/image.png?ex=69b3314d&is=69b1dfcd&hm=46133324fb8876d2019f965ecefbbc984aa1241a3c914c6629193bfce1f98dd9&

[tight basin]

i was gonna be like 0.167 seems random before i realized it was 1/6 and flourish is literally 1/5 lmao

[tight basin]

what's orange

[plain river]

With flurry fire

[tight basin]

ah

why is there a random bump

is that after .167

[plain river]

unsure

Probably field testing human error tbh

[tight basin]

fair

blue is just standard atk right

[plain river]

With no flurry fire

So it goes no swift strike -> common -> rare etc

then orange is flurry fire plus no swift strike -> common -> rare etc

[tight basin]

ooh i see

yeah that makes sense

[plain river]

The game stores the next lightning in a queue though so it’s not a pure 50% drop as soon as the attack speed mismatches

It’s just as soon as the cumulative mismatch = 0.167s across multiple shots

[tight basin]

flurry jab doesn't hit as fast as rail does right

okay so flurry jab is fine then

maybe with epic/heroic swift strike it could be lmfao

[plain river]

Also

I’m speedrunning with zagrail rn I know you asked earlier I think

[tight basin]

oh yeah i forgot lmfao

why zag rail

[plain river]

not super technical

[tight basin]

bc you're doing unmodded so spreadfire seems horrible unless you start with it

and then youre playing bad eris

[plain river]

yep

[tight basin]

aight fair enough

[plain river]

I am playing bad eris

[tight basin]

i guess it is easier than eris to play but i would imagine that eris would be easier to get a better time with

[plain river]

I mean my speedrun pb run is with SF zagrail 🗿

overallp

[tight basin]

lmao happens

[plain river]

it was so stupid

[tight basin]

sometimes rng be like that

[plain river]

I had my zagbow 7:46 and I was just trying to sub9 with zag rail

And I was like “oh this is sub9’ablel

and then it was “WAIT THIS IS SUB8’able”

and then it was a PB

[tight basin]

it do be like that

[plain river]

game keeps trying to give me athena

I might do ME fists

[tight basin]

i think the funnier thing to do now would be to completely pivot off of rail and bow and go to nem

how do you feel about gambling for double edge

[plain river]

ofc the moment I switch off a zeus start I hit poseidon

on the one build where tdash sucks

[tight basin]

the game loves you

[plain river]

I have an epic dash boon stored on the seed tbf

Could tdash start nem

or achilles

[tight basin]

or

hear me out

eris

tdash start eris is like vaguely a thing

[plain river]

Think I need a change of pace from rail

If this goes badly I will

[tight basin]

or you could pivot to zag bow

tdash start is pretty nice for zag bow in tart

[plain river]

2nd boon is all epic tempest strike pos call oceans bounty lmao

[tight basin]

free unpommable??

(or roll to get beaver)

(shoals)

[plain river]

rolled and hit either cast or common shoals

chose cast

The call it the wisest move in the underworld

[plain river]

Might be crazy rn but I looked at breaking wave and went “how the hell did anyone pull beaver out of tbat”

[tight basin]

i forgot the lore to that

prob a typo

bwave -> beaver if i had to imagine

[plain river]

“Achilles spear tdash start isn’t too bad”
Most spread out tart room of my lige

the big one with the massive long bridge in the middle

Non-zero chance I just have to accept that I’m washed

[plain river]

When we say heat btw

we usually mean like 32 and up

[dire quiver]

Yes I’m trying to get better

Currently grinding blood to max out my aspects

[plain river]

Before 32 just use the speedrunning stuff there’s no point in using the two heat specific swaps

which are like shadow presence is mainly only a thing once you turn on damage control and stubborn defiance when you have lasting consequences 4

*aside from high confidence vs thick skin you can just keep thick skin on

[tight basin]

getting better mainly comes from using a good build ngl

drastically improving damage output tends to do wonders lmao

[open moth]

More DPS, less time to make mistakes

Can't take that much damage if the enemies literally aren't alive long enough to attempt more than 2 or 3 hits

[azure valley]

it might just be me but...
Fiery Presence
Stubborn Defiance
Ruthless Reflex
Abyssal Blood
High Confidence
Privileged Status
These kinda seems like complete garbage compared to their alternatives.

[verbal flicker]

fiery presence is pretty solid, especially on weapons/builds that can't backstab or dont often
stubborn defiance is useful if rooms are where you struggle the most
high confidence is cool for speedruns
priveleged staus very niche but can be better if yk ur trying to go for 2 status asap

[plain river]

ruthless reflex/ abyssal soul/ golden touch/ fated authority / olympian favor are the ones that truly have like 0 usage over their counterpart

otherwise the rest can swap around based on aspect and heat or speed focus

ruthless reflexnhas like gilgamesh I guess but that’s right next to 0 use cases

[frank goblet]

high confidence is good for speedruns, fiery is good for speedruns where you try to just burst down on the first hit, ruthless does actually have one niche being if your name is scratch with fists or zeus shield bc of its damage rotation

(that last part being specific to heat)

[analog mauve]

Abyssal blood my beloved

[jolly chasm]

I mean, abyssal is just as good as the other one on Beo

[analog mauve]

I prefer it on eris

[rough blade]

we can't let olympian favor get away with this chat

[tight basin]

i like to use olympian favor when i use ri1

[ancient bolt]

anyone have a suggested build for the Aspect of Lucifer Rail?

[plain river]

Lightning strike, triple bomb hammer, big +% special from aphro/athena or artemis

Tidal dash also really helps because any sort of damage hitting the bombs lets you immediately explode them for the burst damage

Super relevant with a max level luci

the triple bomb grab is pretty consistent since lucifer has the lowest amount of possible hammers of all weapons at 9

[ancient bolt]

Thanks will try out bomb run

I did a Electric Squirt Gun build and it did pretty well

[plain river]

Bomb works way better than super soaker does

Super soaker is more of a meme build

lemme pull some proof of concept

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1449737975616372736/2025082808014601-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mov?ex=69b74cf4&is=69b5fb74&hm=458f9429725ff48609e8ccda76d30d8a9bbc6a049d0269981566e702af25b69a&

[potent tree]

Triple Bomb is like a mini Cluster Rocket

[cosmic kayak]

YOU CAN CALL MEG?!?!!!????

[remote sonnet]

does flood flare still not proc sea storm or was that patched? I'm seeing inconsistent information on the internet

[jolly chasm]

still no

it never did to my knowledge

[proper furnace]

it only procs it if you hit with the edge of the flare iirc or something like that

[plain river]

If that’s your take-away lmao

yes

you can

[open moth]

You have to shove ambrosia down her throat first

[meager sedge]

I love how my opinion of that fight went at some point from feeling like those guys were an unbeatable wall to seeing that and being like "average decent build experience" with them specifically

Like at some point that fight went from a serious challenge to a build check and melting them nearly instantly meant I was set up right

[worthy snow]

i know. though i still complain about the fact that Achilles could shut Theseus up in a matter of seconds. but i first thought yea nah two on one can we get a rule check to ok ok skip the chet chat come on dance with me. i was meaning to test out this new damage modifier.

[shell root]

that's... one way to say that lmao

[cosmic musk]

just finished the main story quest and i have a doubt— since the Hades boss fight is skipped on the 10th finish, can't ppl use it to speedrun even faster? u skip one whole boss

too much effort ik but still

[plain river]

You end up missing a few mechanics

[zenith fractal]

Banned

[plain river]

Iirc

I don’t know if you can get companions prior to that for anyheat

[zenith fractal]

It doesn't show winscreen during free pass, and winscreen is required

[cosmic musk]

you can if u take too long to get 10 wins— like me

[cosmic musk]

truuuue
it still shows in the admin room records just like any other run but ig that's not enough

[proper furnace]

Also iirc doesn't time still run during the credits or something

[zenith fractal]

problem's less with the timer, it'd still be easier and thus optimal for challenge-runs to be done as win 10

[spice ravine]

does swift strike affect exagryph lucifer?

[tight basin]

I'm pretty sure it does