h1-builds-and-combat

[obtuse cedar]

pretty sure it is but i dont see a reason to do this, also crush shot is better on beowulf/hera than trippy flare, bc thats what youre using right?

[tardy swan]

Using Hera and I did not do it, but I was wondering about the mechanics.

[proper furnace]

yeah

but also is too rare to get so don't do that lol

[waxen dragon]

Is it better to pom damage over time like static discharge vs lighting bolt attack? What about tidal dash or attack vs razor shoals?

[proper furnace]

Tidal/discharge are your pom targets most of the time

Stuff like lightning strike can get 1 or 2 poms in,
Cast builds pom the cast over anthing

Arty stuff you don't pom in general

[plain river]

Which call did you sell to swap to Hades call 💔

[waxen dragon]

But doesn't that mean you lose damage?

[frank goblet]

artemis things dont really scale well at all

they rely on their crit chance for scaling

[waxen dragon]

I think Dio. I'm not sure Aphrodite call does damage in smouldering air

[frank goblet]

aphro call does 1 damage technically

and dio call is great for smair btw

it is rather unfortunate that smair doesnt work with dad call tho

[waxen dragon]

Oh, so Artemis attack isn't worth pom? I didn't know the crit was the scale bit

[frank goblet]

na

the only core of artemis that are really worth putting a pom or 2 on are the dash and then the call

[waxen dragon]

Not even the cast?

[frank goblet]

cast is okay ig?

idk i have never really cared for artemis cast just in general

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228902200923918440/1432159879187009556/image.png?ex=69000a53&is=68feb8d3&hm=8b7bf3e51d7de355e97ffc6dae99b5e150fc644cb5dcad22809f5aaff8dac6f0&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228902200923918440/1432160033931792475/image.png?ex=69000a78&is=68feb8f8&hm=e037e0a21c55abfd06b221393317301947a8da516c9fa6b8cb22f47146d9e387&

aphro's attack first pom is +20% for comparison

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. So it's always better to take Aphrodite on attack?

[proper furnace]

Depends a lot

Some weapons prefer aphro due to the consistency

But if you can get your additive from somewhere else (like chaos) then arty is super strong too

What I wanted to show is just that some boons aren't worth pomming

[waxen dragon]

Oh I have to keep that in mind. I usually skip chaos if there's a boon available

[plain river]

You aren’t losing damage by not pomming arte because it means you aren’t gaining +0 damage

[obtuse cedar]

it just means you will practically always get more use out of using poms on other things, but id guess theres a few exceptions for it

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. Ares, Poseidon, Demeter, Athena scale enough to be worthwhile pomming?

[frank goblet]

ares scales well enough for a few poms, as well as athena and poseidon

less so demeter though

[waxen dragon]

Gosh learnt something new today. Demeter then doesn't do anything but slow them a bit? Depends on the other stuff like killing freeze and arctic blast

[frank goblet]

dem special is still alright for some poms but yeah

killing freeze is a decent DoT option

[waxen dragon]

And definitely Dionysus needs pom for the damage ticks to go up

[obtuse cedar]

yeah dio is great for poms

i had a level 7 epic dio attack and it was 12 per tick or something like that

it was only a few away from the common call damage

[waxen dragon]

Also if I am using Dio, do the other drunk attacks override the first one or stack? Ie. If I have Dio attack at 9 health per tick and then use call, the ticks for call reset stacks?

[obtuse cedar]

idk but id guess its either whichever got applied first or the highest damage per stack

or it could be constantly overwriting based on which is most recently applied but i feel like thats just too confusing

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I wondered that but can't tell, makes me wonder if I should only pick one Dio move and the rest should be others

[obtuse cedar]

i think i mostly only see 1 dio core boon in builds but im not 100% sure

[obtuse cedar]

ok i searched it up and its saying this one but only when youre at 5 stacks or something, could be that each individual stack would have its own ticks so if you apply 1 from call, 2 from attack, and 2 from special they all have their damage per tick added together instead of one taking priority and doing all 5 stacks of that

[frank goblet]

its whatever the most recently applied uses that stack

ex: having both dash and call and you use call but then dash applying the dash version that overrides the call's dps rate or vice versa

[obtuse cedar]

so it would be better to have just one core dio boon and because call is so much higher but so less used its fine

unless you have smair i guess

[frank goblet]

most commonly you just want call yeah if you're taking a dio boon that isnt a support boon

his cores minus cast are pretty garbo

[obtuse cedar]

in my experience on gilgamesh with and it pommed up its pretty good

i guess in that run i did have a good dodge chance a lot of the time tho

[frank goblet]

oh yeah dio attack is still like fine on gilga bc you have the built in global damage buff

[obtuse cedar]

with that alt dash in mirror and epic greater evasion

[frank goblet]

(zeus is still better probably but shhhh)

[waxen dragon]

I use Dio mostly on Rama or Eris

Though I did it on Achilles yesterday

[obtuse cedar]

idk why but i dont fw zeus stuff unless its revenge or near miss or whatever theyre called

[obtuse cedar]

i just realized this run was my heat 20 run apparently, swear it was different but i guess not

[frank goblet]

dio is decent on rama special BiS is zeus bc of lightning rod existing

dio is honestly preferred for high heat bc of damage control existing as well as savior enemies

[obtuse cedar]

what is BiS

[frank goblet]

best in slot

[obtuse cedar]

oh alr

[frank goblet]

on eris its not ideal bc its stacks are pretty low and rail usually struggles with room clear, which is something that zeus attack fixes

[waxen dragon]

Oh I have to try.

[waxen dragon]

Assuming Rama Zeus on special and Artemis on attack?

[frank goblet]

artemis attack or dash

[plain river]

Dem literally does the same scaling as athena for strike and special no?

[frank goblet]

same scaling but lower base amounts iirc

its been a while since ive taken dem in runs

[proper furnace]

the github wiki says they have the same at least

[plain river]

No they have the same number

[sand geyser]

The shield being able to block everything is actually so OP

[trail tiger]

Am I the only who changed dash to RMB and special attack to space
-dash to mouse cursor

[trail tiger]

you know whats even crazier? when you have atena's boon basic attack to shield
basically when you charge shield and you release into projectiles it will reflect

@sand geyser

[modern falcon]

ive kept everything the same but switched special and cast. i basically don't use cast so i put it as q lol

[trail tiger]

so you have cast on RMB?

[modern falcon]

nah as the Q button

RMB is my special

[modern falcon]

bull rush is literally broken

[trail tiger]

I have in mouse on a left side MB4 and MB5
I was experimenting with dash on MB5
But I was playing with dash on Right Mouse Button so if you switch dash to left side of a mouse I feel like its reversed - my brain is very confused
But I kinda love that Idea to get used to dash on that MB5 bcs it has very Quick feeling basically you click that MB5 on Thumb
But my brain can't switch to that idea so I have dash on my middle finger so its RMB

Cast is very strong imo
I like idea to do Cast between Attacks
I have cast on MB5 right now
I also consifering switch cast to space and special to MB5

[modern falcon]

u can stand in front of an enemy and take 0 damage

u don't need an athena boon to activate it tho

[modern falcon]

hm i see

whatever works for u is the best!

i personally don't use cast much and when i do, it's usually when i have time.

i play with sheild and use dash strike, special and bull rush infinetly more

[trail tiger]

If I press LMB and RMB on a same time Zagreus will do dash attack immediatly no matter what

[modern falcon]

keeping them on mouse helps

[trail tiger]

it's very easy to click both synchronously

[modern falcon]

i would find pressing both akward but to each his own! i like the space for dash. all my fingers are on wasd and my thumb is on space

[trail tiger]

so if I click 2x LMB and RMB he will do double dash attack and it's very fast to do

Let's say on sword I do 3attacks [LMB] and then LMB + RMB twice and its soooo smooth

recommend trying on ur own

I have to mention that I have dash to cursor

that's important

Aiming is very accurate

[modern falcon]

same

it's so useful

literally changed the whole game for me lol

[trail tiger]

on wasd dash is very awkward bcs zagreus can't 360

[modern falcon]

yeah having to press keys to adjust is annoying

[trail tiger]

Have you ever played on controller?

I havent yet

And Im thinking about it

to try it out

Very different experience I guess

[obtuse cedar]

ive only played on controller and i think its way better with the very little time ive done on k&m

[modern falcon]

don't have a controller 😔

[trail tiger]

I think controller is very nice to melee weapons

[modern falcon]

well when i get one that's good to know. i hate ranged wepons, shield, sword and fists my beloved

[obtuse cedar]

its good on all weapons, for ranged(and throwing things/cast) it has an autolock that isnt too strong to where if you want to aim at other things you can

[trail tiger]

I think fists on controller would be dope

bcs you can do 360 on stick

[obtuse cedar]

youll never guess in a billion years what i use mainly

[trail tiger]

haha tell me

[obtuse cedar]

fists main bromigo

[plain river]

Good thing there aren’t any ranged weapons in Hades

I guess Hestia and hidden spear

[trail tiger]

I like Exagryph and Bow

[plain river]

They’re very fun

[trail tiger]

but I would not be suprised if melee weapons would be better if I could try on controller

Fists - I had fun with aspect of talos

I love that Magnetic Pull + Dash mechanic

[plain river]

Yeah I think in general with how fast Hades, the control scheme for every weapon is more ideal for stick

imo

than mouse

[trail tiger]

I mean you just pulling foes in without special hit

dash cancell special attack

[plain river]

dash-upper

or d-upper for short

[trail tiger]

this is the name of it Ive just mentioned?

so I really like d-upper mechanic

Exagryph is fun too if you think about Hestia aspect as a shotgun xD

[plain river]

Yeah, like how dash-striking is called dash-striking

Hestia is more like a sniper rifle

[trail tiger]

something between 😄

well if you go with poseidon attack it's very fun

[plain river]

You can’t really go wrong with any +% strike on Hestia tbf

[trail tiger]

fact

Shift is also interesting button bcs it's smaller and faster than Space

[plain river]

I got a wireless controller just so I could play Hades on my laptop without needing to use kbm (coming from switch), I was not going to deal with allat

[modern falcon]

well bow and spear count right?

[plain river]

uhhh

not exactly

Pretty much every weapon in Hades plays like a melee weapon with varying amounts of range

aside from spear special builds and hestia (and memey shield special builds)

Most of bows favourite hammers either decrease the range or work more effectively in close range

[modern falcon]

i see

don't use bow much so i had no idea lol

but some are certainly meant to be ranged ig

[plain river]

intended for sure

between dash-strikes being so fast and dash-damage being so valuable as well

[sand geyser]

How do we get people to fight with us in the game

[plain river]

?

[sand geyser]

The companions

Like Meg

[plain river]

ohhhh

[sand geyser]

How do we unlock that

[plain river]

You need max relationship with the respective npc for them to give you their companions

how you unlock that persons final hearts depends on the npc, they each have a “favour” you need to complete

[sand geyser]

Are the companions good at all? Or nah

[plain river]

Yes

very helpful

They’re like consumable big damage options for the most part

[sand geyser]

Who's the best?

[plain river]

Meg

Very quick, big damage, massive aoe

there are a lot of set-ups for her to tear through annoying minibosss rooms like witches, and huge chunk of heroes and Hades

[sand geyser]

time to ignore everyone and max meg

[pale heath]

How to beat megaera?

[rough blade]

run hera

[sacred bone]

anyone got advice on how to use the shield better

its the only weapon i suck

i heard it gets better with the zeus aspect so should i even bother using it before getting the aspect

[eager tendon]

I'm not great at this game but the shield is probably the safest aspect to use. your bull rush lets you block all incoming attacks and once you release it, you also get iframes

it's great for dodging AOEs that could get past the shield too as you can traverse a large distance with the bull rush

zeus is great because your special doesn't impede your ability to attack as normal

imo you can still use the other shield aspects, zag is also quite good

[sacred bone]

oh

yeah i hadnt been using the bull rush at all

i'll give it a try next

[sudden mist]

At which run are supposed to be able to beat hades? After getting double dash?

[tight basin]

Like the earliest possible?

[obtuse cedar]

its around 30-70 for most people iirc

mine was 32 i think

[tight basin]

Bc technically speaking, the very first run is possible but just not practical for like everyone unless you practice for it lol

But then it won't technically be your first run

But also technically the first run lol

[sudden mist]

I know I have seen the run I just wonder which mirror upgrade greatly improves my chances to win

[tight basin]

Death defiance

[sudden mist]

Or weapon

[tight basin]

Second dash

Any weapon works

1 death defiance and getting 2nd dash is probably all that's necessary for like consistent clears if you're good enough at the game on a new save

[sudden mist]

I also don't understand one thing, in h2 enemies get stunned when you attack them. In h1 it doesn't work that way it seems. Stygian blade special kinda stuns them but the attack doesn't...

[tight basin]

Ngl I don't remember what has hit stun and what doesn't

[obtuse cedar]

most attacks should stun, i know all sword stuff stuns

[tight basin]

I thought all attacks did except rail tbh

[sudden mist]

I see, makes sense I thought you had to have double curse double dmg mirror upgrade

[tight basin]

Nah

Most people don't use that mirror upgrade anyways

[sudden mist]

Oh...

[eager tendon]

hades 1 version of origination is not that great because it's a lot harder to get curses I think

[tight basin]

It's only 40% that isn't consistent every time compared to consistent 25% every run basically

[sudden mist]

H2 origination feels obligatory to me at this point but i don't know if its that good in h1

[tight basin]

(try to not use h2 terms lol)

It's still the h1 channel

[sudden mist]

I think the mirror upgrade was called nepo baby privilege or something like that

[tight basin]

But yes, curses are much much easier to get and use in h2 compared to h1

[eager tendon]

privileged status

[tight basin]

H1 only half get it naturally without a t2 boon

[sudden mist]

Can't you get aphro special ares attack(in a perfect world)

You said half lol sorry

[eager tendon]

was only doing it for them because they're coming from H2, but yeah fair enough lol

[tight basin]

Well the issue there is that that's not a good build core lmfao

[sudden mist]

😭

What even is good in h1

[tight basin]

There's a build guide pinned here that would help

[sudden mist]

Neat thanks

[tight basin]

The good builds that play to the strength of the aspects generally don't use 2 curses

Very few aspects want to use pstatus

Like Aphrodite attack and Dio special on Chiron would use pstatus

Aphrodite cast and snow burst on Hera doesn't use pstatus tho but the same on Beowulf does lmfao

[obtuse cedar]

damn do i really just fully swap builds in like 6th encounter, i just got heroic pos attack with gilgamesh, i was gonna do my normal build like zeus smair kinda thing but i might go full kb now

oh wait thats on special hell nah

[sudden mist]

Thanks bananas!

[tight basin]

Yeah game funky

There's a mirror guide pinned somewhere lmao

There's also a more condensed build guide/helper in the 32 heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

"condensed" is a bit of a loose term but iirc it is technically shorter lmao

At least the build part

[sudden mist]

Well done guide I will read the rest later thanks again

[unreal haven]

okay so

ive trying to make a lifesteal build work

any tips?

ive been using ares dash and aphrodite attack

with as much artemis and athena i can fit in every round

[obtuse cedar]

wrong game, dont forget to delete the message so you dont spoil others

[cerulean osprey]

oh my bad

[obtuse cedar]

all good

[sacred silo]

Any good builds to best dad?

[obtuse cedar]

what weapon do you like the most, because not all builds are really good for all weapons, i wont be able to tell builds for all weapons btw

[sacred silo]

Well, I currently got nemesis, Charon, hades, and Achilles, working on getting Guan yu

[obtuse cedar]

achilles can do a merciful end build, you get athena and ares on attack or special but need both for the duo, then also get athena dash and then you get stuff that benefits doom effects or just more damage

once i finish this run rq ill get some more for you

[waxen dragon]

Demeter fist with Zeus special is underwhelming. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

[sacred silo]

Thanks

[obtuse cedar]

should be zeus on attack no? because special isnt happenning nearly as much even with max level demeter and then you could get like hangover maybe on special(not too sure if this is good, just an idea) or a higher% bonus like aphrodite or athena

[proper furnace]

Zeus special in specific doesn't work on dem either

There's an internal cooldown for zeus effects

[sacred silo]

I also got hestia

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I ended up with Athena attack

[sinful crane]

How do u get the meg call

[obtuse cedar]

keep getting hearts with her

[sand geyser]

How the heck do people get the beowulf build to do so much damage? I literally had Dio's cast at like level 15 and it was still trash. (I still haven't been able to get the artemis + pos duo of that build) but still.

Like, it does damage, but it doesn't get a boss to like half in just 1 shot like I've seen in videos

[rotund sluice]

Well that’ll do it

Mirage shot is bugged on Beowulf

Instead of giving a 30% damage buff, it doubles the damage

[sand geyser]

AHHHHH, so I really do need to get the duo boon to get the insane damage

[rotund sluice]

Yes

Well, no. Do a special build!

(Half joking but it’s actually kinda underrated)

[sand geyser]

I have never been able to get their duo boon

[tight basin]

start with poseidon cast

it'll be much easier

and you can actually get your casts back unlike dio cast

[sand geyser]

I'll try that, thanks

[tight basin]

oh also this part isn't exactly bc of mirage shot on beowulf

it's bc of hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes

and stacking speed boosts from the well

and probably also cast damage from the well

mirage shot alone on beowulf isn't getting instaphase damage ever

[rotund sluice]

Oh no but it certainly helps

And tbf hyper sprint + rush delivery makes anything implode

[tight basin]

well yeah but they're looking for the instaphase damage they see in videos

that's not just mirage shot lol

that's rush delivery and ichors

or hella braids

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1102107651690733578/image.png?ex=6902fabc&is=6901a93c&hm=0763ee6c62f3f397fc97e715746b3fdea4d536e6da622de50c9cdb536ffebe79&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[rotund sluice]

Or both

[tight basin]

this is insta phase damage but only bc of cast numbers

with just 4 casts it would prob instaphase phase 1 hades but def not phase 2 hades

or not common rd would've done it lol

[sand geyser]

It's also Meg

I'm trying to unlock her as a companion rn

gotta give her more nectar

@tight basin I love you for telling me to start with Poseidon. I hope your pillow is great tonight

https://imgur.com/a/2H5IEYQ

[tight basin]

you don't need meg for instaphase damage lol

if you have enough juice, you save meg for p2 so you can instaphase easier/faster but that's generally uncommon

[sand geyser]

Oh damn, this duo was definitely something I was missing, it does so much damage, I don't even have a cast yet

[tough dock]

What build should I go for with aspect of hestia

[rotund sluice]

Aphrodite attack and going for smoldering air is what I like to do when I play heat, but I’m not the most experienced with Hestia

[upbeat plaza]

if i take the pom porrige with less than 4 boons, does it upgrade the same one multiple times?

[rotund sluice]

No

[sand geyser]

Me when i acccidentally (yes accidentally) kill Theseus before Asterius

[obtuse cedar]

how do you accidentally kill a boss you werent focusing on before the other one

unless its some bs rng where they were just right next to each other the entire time

[sand geyser]

They were right next to each other and my build does insane damage

[manic lotus]

A great build can kill them in a few seconds

[sand geyser]

I was talking to kill Asterius the whole time and Theseus just kept getting on the way, so I was like "whatever" imma just kill bro first (cos he activated his god aid)

[obtuse cedar]

yeah i think the one time this happened to me i decided f it and went after theseus instead, i think it was kinda a splash dmg build bc i know i had smair dio call

[sand geyser]

Yeah cos like, he immediately activated the god aid and I was like, yeah nah, I gotta deal with this dude first

Theseus is literally easy as hell, Asterius is the annoying one

[obtuse cedar]

yeah its just so much more annyoing than asterius phase 2

[sand geyser]

In base

[obtuse cedar]

oh yeah

theseus is only annoying with his shield bc they block too much imo

shields in general do not just his shield

[sand geyser]

The meta beowulf build seems to literally ignore his shield LMAOO

Brooo, im trying to gift Meg to get her as a companion and she just doesn't appear

[obtuse cedar]

dude that happened to me for sisyphus a bit ago so i kinda just thought id start doing runs till i saw him and then it wasnt too long after till i found him

[sand geyser]

SHE'S STILL NOT APPEARING

[static night]

I just started using privileged status and omg

It’s so good

[obtuse cedar]

family favorite is typically better bc youll practically guarenteed have 20% bonus damage but with priviledged status you need to try to get 2 debuffs on enemies before its even doing anything

but for some situations priviledged status can be better

low tolerance as 3rd boon goes wild

[plain river]

25%

4 regular olympians + hermes

[obtuse cedar]

oh yeah forgot about that

and if you use god keepsakes to get more gods would that add % too?

[proper furnace]

Yeah but generally you don't wanna do that

Makes getting the gods you want harder

[plain river]

and he sacrifices his build consistency for a negligible amount of extra global additive!!!! 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

you can do that

should you though? Not really

[obtuse cedar]

yeah im not actually gonna do that i was just wondering

[plain river]

wrong chat also that’s spoilers for this chat if you want delete your message and hop over to #h2-builds-and-combat

[hazy skiff]

huh, I was wondering why I was here by default

Both channels do look alike

[frank goblet]

this is why everyone should do earring starts on zeus shield and just gamble on zeus special just showing up within the first five chambers

[proper furnace]

[winter canyon]

What's the best boon to start with for zagreus varatha

I'm running with the adamant rail for now but it would be good to know for next one

[tardy swan]

I'm at the beginning of a new run, running Hera bow.
I currently have Flurry Shot hammer, Epic Artemis attack and Epic Crush Shot. Currently got Rare Crop offered (Epic, so it would hit both). Is it worth taking that?

[frank goblet]

same thing with most rails with it being zeus attack

[winter canyon]

So Zeus is also the best one to go for the spear?

[obtuse cedar]

what area are you at

[frank goblet]

nah its not worth the temp dos fall off

dps

[tardy swan]

Chamber 7, so very beginning.

[obtuse cedar]

oh wait im dumb i didnt see it said very begininng

[frank goblet]

but also counterpoint: red boon is red boon

[obtuse cedar]

why wouldnt it be worth? its early enough to be guarenteed heroic

and getting 2 by like mid asphodel is pretty nice

[frank goblet]

certain break points

[obtuse cedar]

you gotta dumb it down more than that

[frank goblet]

you lose ~50 damage going from epic to common iirc

loading casts to kill an enemy and loading too many can lead to scenarios where you dont have the casts to your disposal to get the kill

ex: if it usually takes me 2 casts to kill a certain enemy and 2 to kill another i have to pick up at least one of my casts to kill both

but there are some points where rarity can alleviate that and make it like a 2 casts for one and one for the other or even one cast for one and one for the other

[obtuse cedar]

i feel like it also depends on the heat and skill of the player tho, id take it practically everyday ngl but i also need to learn to take more time deciding

[proper furnace]

What breakpoints do you miss with crush shot anyways
Pretty sure common/epic is 20 dmg?

90/100/110

[frank goblet]

i want to say theres a weird break point with thugs or louts

[tardy swan]

Currently running on Heat 19.
tbh, I find base Crush Shot on Hera doesn't need that much more to clear tartarus and flurry hammer is just a bunch of damage too. So think' I'm fine with the drop of this run.

[winter canyon]

You know I wonder how boons that increase the rarity of other boons are supposed to work logistically

[obtuse cedar]

like exclusive access or what

[winter canyon]

Like how does drinking eurydice's refreshing nectar somehow make the next boons you get stronger

[obtuse cedar]

oh ok like lore wise kinda

[winter canyon]

Especially since their boons that you don't already have

Yeah from like a logistical in-universe perspective

[obtuse cedar]

its magic man idk if we can question it

[winter canyon]

I mean that's basically all mythology was was their way to explain why the world act the way it does

Why do the seasons change? it's because Demeter loses her daughter for half the year

Why does the Sun travel across the sky? it's because Apollo carries it in his flaming chariot

I just like trying to think about how certain mechanics work

From a logistical standpoint rather than just a gameplay standpoint

[obtuse cedar]

yeah its weird but i think it could be like more a self perspective of what you get from them, like youll get the same 3 choices(unless you reroll but whatever) but the rarity is dependent on self or something

[winter canyon]

I do have to say the rerolling of boons is hilarious to think about

Zagreus just basically says no to the gods and so they just start offering him different boons until he says yes

[obtuse cedar]

or actually if its like this the choices could be because of what you think too tho

[winter canyon]

They just slowly get more desperate until Zagreus finally takes something

"I would like none of these."

[obtuse cedar]

yeah that is weird, like imagine youre giving some random kid youve never seen choices to help them escape and theyre just like "nah give me others man these suck" me personally id just hate them for it ngl

dude i swear my past like 8 treasure troves have been gemstones

wtf is this luck

[winter canyon]

I just love they immediately get desperate and they're like
"Uhh okay um.. what about this, do you like this? No um... How bout this is this okay?"

And by the time you rerolled four times they're just like
"please take something man, I'm begging you!"

[proper furnace]

keep opening and maybe one will give you a nectar

[obtuse cedar]

havent been opening any of them but if the next one happens to be gemstones i will

[winter canyon]

I will say, is the mirror in Hades II better, I feel like half of the things on the mirror just don't feel like they change a whole lot. maybe I'm just not making as much use out of them as I should, but it feels like a solid chunk of the mirror just isn't as useful as I'd like it to be

[proper furnace]

arcana is def a lot better imo

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228902200923918440/1433201666429026306/image.png?ex=6903d490&is=69028310&hm=605f868179297d6039a52c8c08bdd78c81fc199d16ca55694115dfb800929e01& on a similar note

[winter canyon]

O_o

That can give you a diamond!?

[proper furnace]

yeah lol

[obtuse cedar]

idk if ive gotten either nectar or diamond from that but ive only picked it up a few times

[winter canyon]

I've gotten nectar a couple times

But I don't usually take it unless I already have the other one that increases reward amount

[proper furnace]

#h1-discussion message

[winter canyon]

Yeah that's fair the channel was dead and I did initially have questions about boons for the spear LOL

[obtuse cedar]

no click on it bromigo its showing that its a diamond from sunken treasure

[obtuse cedar]

yeah no nectar from the next one which happened to be gemstones

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228902200923918440/1281002281986293832/Screenshot_20240904-172517.png?ex=69032f17&is=6901dd97&hm=6b7fd3bff5cf4cf411d7f2862558c9a5bed019e81d141945f16af5afef2111ac& also god I love this wiki so much lmfao

[obtuse cedar]

thats amazing

just straight being a dbag about it

[sand geyser]

Beowulf is so OP that I didn't even notice it makes you take extra damage until I finally read the description rn and I already have it maxxed out LMAO

[proper furnace]

Meanwhile Gilgamesh making you take +50% from maimed enemies:

[sand geyser]

What the heck

[proper furnace]

Yeah hidden aspects were not created equal lmfao

[sand geyser]

Beowulf only makes you take 10%, and considering you can reach +100 damage with your bull rush in the max rank, it is not even noticeable

[proper furnace]

Yeah we treat that +10% as a meme for a reason

[sand geyser]

I think out of the main 2 meta weapons, beowulf is more for like, if you want to "strategize" a bit more, and Arthur feels more if you just want to spam smash buttons, though I haven't played with arthur yet, but that's lowkey what it looks like LMAO

When i first played hades years ago, I was a rail main exclusively

but now I like the shield more

[proper furnace]

arthur is kinda stinky tbh

[sand geyser]

Idk, I haven't played with it, i will have to try it

Ngl, the first time I played the game, I took the rail and never looked at any weapons. But after Hades 2, I take it more seriously

Currently my top 2 are shield and spear

The main reason I liked the rail so much before is mostly because I just overall prefer to play range

[proper furnace]

Funny you say that

All weapons prefer close range lol

[sand geyser]

EXACTLY

Ngl, the rail just reminded me of the fire cannons in shinobi striker

I only just started playing hades 1 again recently after 100%ing Hades 2, taking the combat more seriously, but from what I've seen. Hades 1 weapons feel more like, there's meta weapons than Hades 2. Hades 2 weapons are all S tier as long as you build them well, sure, there are some slightly stronger but overall, they all can be super OP. And I feel like Hades 1 is very different in that aspect imo

[proper furnace]

Ehhhh def agree but mostly on high heat context or past like, sub 8 speed running

Before that you barely feel it

[sand geyser]

I guess, the best way to describe it is hades 2 weapons are just so much versatile than Hades 1

[proper furnace]

There are mechanics in h2 that can help more weaknesses from the weapons I'd say

||stuff like hitch and freeze help anything in the aoe department lol||

[sand geyser]

||Hera my beloved||

[proper furnace]

||Like, adding rama's gimmick to every weapon and working with not just your attack dmg will solve any lack of aoe you had lol||

[sand geyser]

And when in doubt, just ||spam blitz for damage ||

[proper furnace]

Yuuup

Meanwhile fists/sword having to pray they get merciful end for top end dmg:

Build control in h2 is also just miles stronger

[sand geyser]

Literally, you can get everything with the arcana cards, H1 is so more limited

Bro, Mel has 7 DDs alone, Zag wishes

[proper furnace]

||mel also doesn't have approval process in her pact loool||

[sand geyser]

The only thing lacking in H2 is just the story and the immersion.

The main example of the immersion is the ||romance, it is so bad and almost non existent compared to 1. I never took romance seriously when I first played H1, but now that I'm replaying it and actually trying to get all the achievements and such, bro. The fact that they continue to try and get with you after their final heart events is funny asf but also feels very story immersive. In H2, it is almost like it never happens, they talk cute afterwards 1 time and then poof, back to friends IG. ||

[tardy swan]

Do I take epic Swift Strike or do I reroll to try and get Quick Reload for my Hera bow?

[plain river]

Swift strike has next to no value on bow if you’re primarily dash-striking

[rotund sluice]

-# which you should be

[plain river]

you’d be better off aiming for hyper sprint -> rush delivery for more damage or quick reload for sooner cast drops from bosses or greatest reflex for more dashes

[tardy swan]

Took Swift Strike and ended up with Flurry Hammer so that run went well in the end.

[sacred silo]

Anybody got any arthur builds?

[obtuse cedar]

big crits

arti attack, aph on special or athena is also good, then just stuff that goes well with crits, tdash obv and whatever else to help increase crit damage

[ashen sorrel]

yall tell me some fun/meme builds i can make, tryna grind the max keepsake achievement and i need smth to spice up my runs

[obtuse cedar]

no boons is a fun one, special dialogue from dad if you do it and chaos boons dont count as boons for it bc they cant be purged/sold

idk hoarding slash arthur or something, dont spend like any money at all, i wouldve gotten up to 2100 last time i did it but i didnt check if it was anvil or hermes and accidentally bought hermes so i was at 1600 for dad

[waxen dragon]

Ooh I have to give it a try, usually I try to do this on Nemesis

[waxen dragon]

I'll have to try this too. I've accidentally run a few times with very few boons but the pact thing that makes me sell one, would that cause me to fail a run because I cannot sell?

[obtuse cedar]

nemesis is also fun but arthur gets up to 3k crits with chaos(probably possible without but a lot easier with)

[obtuse cedar]

i meant like you CAN have chaos boons to get the dialogue because of the fact that you cant sell them

smart guy here said it so id believe him

[rotund sluice]

Meme beam is a classic

[rotund sluice]

I second this btw

Shackle (the person who wrote that) is correct

[waxen dragon]

Does the special circle for Arthur constantly deflect if I pick Athena or only on striking?

[obtuse cedar]

2nd smart guy agrees so id believe it even more now

i wish it did

[rotund sluice]

Only on striking

Or specialing

[waxen dragon]

Arthur does hit pretty hard. Is it popular? Why is it less popular than Nemesis?

[rotund sluice]

Arthur does less damage than nemesis and is clunkier to use

That’s probably why

[obtuse cedar]

arthur is too slow for the amount of damage it does, but if it was base attack speed it would be way too good, with the attack size and everything it would be wild

[rotund sluice]

Oh absolutely Arthur with the basic attack speed would be bonkers

[proper furnace]

Use the fusion aspects mods for a silly taste for that

And also having the arthur aura move with you

[hushed cypress]

Aspect of demeter, kinetic launcher hammer and art special.
It's only fun if you have a good level demeter though, at max lvl your special just becomes a rail gun

[rough blade]

I have seen somebody recommend super soaker fists

[proper furnace]

What's the point of calling it super soaker if there's no water gun 😔

[rough blade]

idk maybe @rotund sluice would know

[rotund sluice]

Was I summoned?

[rotund sluice]

Oh that
Urghhh

I consider anything that has Poseidon attack and focuses around dealing damage with the procs of ses storm from those attacks “super soaker”

[waxen dragon]

Ugh nearly succeeded a shackle run with Arthur, I'm not used to the slow speed though, is double edge still the best hammer for sword?

[frank goblet]

double edge but shadow slash becomes best for arthur in particular

[obtuse cedar]

i dont think for arthur, i know shadow slash or whatever its called is good and something else was better for arthur but idk what

[frank goblet]

dedge is still best for speeds afaik

[tight basin]

shadow slash is good on arthur yeah

cursed slash is the dubious one if you're a gamer

[obtuse cedar]

is cursed slash better on the aspects that arent arthur

[jolly chasm]

funnily enough, no

it's best on arthur lmao

[obtuse cedar]

why isnt it better bc arthur is slower, is it because of the huge hitbox for arthur 2nd and 3rd swing?

[plain river]

Arthur actually uses its standing strikes

[waxen dragon]

Kind of weird I had mostly failed runs lately. One wild stroke of luck I was using Rama trying to get Zeus and jolted, instead got ice wine and scintillating feast and I think lightning rod so I ended up just using cast a lot with Rama.

[stable canopy]

i am now a bow believer

charged special is insane

[plain river]

https://tenor.com/view/hmusicruof4-rowley-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-rodrick-rules-gif-26773802

[stable canopy]

at least i think it is lol

with artemis crits

[plain river]

It’s like fine? but what was going on that charged volley was what pushed you over

have you not been dash-striking or smthing

[stable canopy]

I was just using the primary and it felt so slow 😭 mistake on my part really

900 dmg in one volley is sweet

[unreal escarp]

its fun man

[plain river]

dash-striking fixes this

Since they’re 50% faster

Here I use this to showcase that pretty often

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=6908a4e2&is=69075362&hm=5e58c98f64290cd6bb31b7cae008a2c1a4b80a12bb7e181471c200a65cb35c39&

[stable canopy]

yeah i def need to practice more mechanically wise lol

[sand geyser]

Videos like this make me realize I play the game awfully

[lusty nest]

I'm using shield. Right now I have Dyonisus' boon on my special (epic), but I have the option to switch to Artemis' special (heoric) right now, should I do that?
(i'm very new to this game)

[rotund sluice]

No

Actually

Yes

[sand geyser]

What shield

[rotund sluice]

Assuming base

[lusty nest]

Artemis' aid and Pressure points (both normal) are my other options

[lusty nest]

Base shield? I guess? Idk I picked the shield at the starting point

[sand geyser]

Artemis' aid lowkey sucks ngl

[lusty nest]

gah I cant send a picture

[rotund sluice]

It’s aight

[rotund sluice]

Ik what you mean

Yeah go Artemis

[lusty nest]

Deadly flourish (heroic), Artemis' aid, pressure points

[rotund sluice]

And if you get a hammer that lets you charge your special, take it

[lusty nest]

perfect thanks

[lusty nest]

I alr have it

kinda

I took the buff that lets it hit more enemies

I alr have Dionysus on cast either way

[lusty nest]

Okay so I have the exact same question but it's regarding my cast. I have Artemis' cast right now (epic). I have the opportunity to change it to Posseidon's (heoric). Should I?

[sand geyser]

Trippy shot or Aphrodite cast for Beowulf sheild? I usually use Dio but what do you guys prefer

[rotund sluice]

Trippy

Usually I go Poseidon cast

[rotund sluice]

Nah. What’s the other options?

[proper furnace]

I prefer aphro's over trippy

Mostly cuz for trippy you gotta swap to stygian soul

[lusty nest]

What's the best 1st hammer upgrade for Sword? Double Nova, Flurry Slash, Cruel Thrust

[plain river]

double nova

flurry slash actively harms your ability to dstrike and cruel thrust only applies to the standing strike combo

[lusty nest]

Thank you!

I have enough keys for the second Mirror upgrade. Should I go for that or get the weird glove weapon?

[plain river]

I think the second mirror is pretty important because you want greater reflex

extra dash

[sand geyser]

This is me on my 2nd play through, already rolling the credits, persephone is in the house of hades, already went 16 heat yet my mirror of night is still not fully upgraded

I gotta stop playing heat so I can actually get darkness from the bosses and upgrade the damn mirror

[sand geyser]

Why doesn't our athena aid do the same thing she does for theseus 💔

[lusty nest]

For the first bow upgrade, should I go with point-blank shot, explosive shot, or sniper shot?

I am feeding this chat god damn

[plain river]

point blank unless you’re looking to handle explosive shot

sniper shot is pretty much never the play since it locks out twin shot and point-blank shot, and the range you have to be at to get the benefits is nigh unusable

[lusty nest]

fair

thank you (again)!

see you in a bit

Just landed in the 3rd layer (the one after Hydra which I FINALLY defeated). I currently have the old spiked collar artefact on. Should I switch to a different one?

[plain river]

Typically acorn at max level will help you block more damage from the final boss fight but if your bigger concern is just getting there

try tooth or keep collar

[lusty nest]

okayyyy i'm back

[lusty nest]

this but for the second bow upgrade. Charged volley, chain shot, perfect shot

[sand geyser]

@lusty nest How's your health and do you have any DDs

[lusty nest]

Health is pretty low (im on the boon screen idk how to see the exact amount). What's a DD?

[plain river]

Perf

[sand geyser]

Yeah you're probably cooked on the Elysium final boss if you even get there, but that's okay. It's part of the process

DD is ||death defiance||

[plain river]

In general it’s going to be

twin shot >= triple shot > flurry shot > pointblank = perfect shot > explosive shot (explosive shot value depends heavily on knowing how to use explosive ngl, and can end up way higher) > chain shot

[lusty nest]

Oh I am! This is my first time in Elysium in general. I play deepwoken, i'm no stranger to repeating the same things over and over and over again!

The only annoying thing is the hydra, I hate that boss' second immune phase with a passion.

[lusty nest]

also noted! (DD)

(I don't have any left thanks to hydra)

[plain river]

[lusty nest]

thank you!

[sand geyser]

The Elysium final boss is pretty annoying, so you're going to have to get used to the hydra so you save your DDs for Elysium

[plain river]

picking between perfect and point blank shot if you end up with the choice is like purely up to you

[lusty nest]

aaaand died! I just love traps so much❤️ and those beautiful chariots of peace and serenity

[sand geyser]

2nd playthrough and as always, my first person to forge a bond with is Artemis my beloved

[lusty nest]

noted, thank you

[sand geyser]

The tiny chariots are annoying as hell

[plain river]

Lernie tax is real

[lusty nest]

On bow especially, gotta stand still or spam q

[sand geyser]

I use the shield, it is the meta weapon

[plain river]

bait them into walls and dash thru them

[lusty nest]

these little vermins (not so little) just charge like they know exactly when im vulnerable

[plain river]

“The meta weapon” I meannn

[lusty nest]

my favorite weapon! always love to use it

[plain river]

to an extent

[lusty nest]

sword, bow, shield

g-g-gun?

[sand geyser]

Gun is very good, I used to use it exclusively on my first play through

[lusty nest]

the fury technique🥹

[plain river]

There’s less meta weapons and more meta aspects for Hades but shield is pretty solid for speed with the hidden shield and ||high heat|| with zeus

[lusty nest]

only thing I hate more than the chariots is hypnos

he's NEVER getting honey

ever

[sand geyser]

Once you defeat the actual final boss and unlock the ||pact of punishment. You should play with heat to get more titan blood and unlock the hidden aspect of the shield, it is the most OP thing in the game. ||

[lusty nest]

haven't unlocked the weapon amp system with the blood yet

[lusty nest]

I dare not imagine the power

hydra better fear me

i'm not even scared of fighting it it's literally just pure hatred

[plain river]

It’s pretty massive

[lusty nest]

should I get the court muscian's sentence?

[lusty nest]

part of what makes the game so fun to repeat, hm?

[plain river]

yeahhhh

I spent a bunch of time this summer getting all my aspects to sub10 times

except hidden spear it still escapes me

[lusty nest]

spear mentionned (bane of my existence and least favorite weapon)

I had never felt so vulnerable before I tried the spear

[lusty nest]

also .

[sand geyser]

My most hated enemies to this day still are:

After Elysium regular room enemy spoiler ||The freaking venom spitter satyrs in the temple of styx||

Asphodel ||That one deadly room in asphodel with the Splitters/spreaders||

Final boss of Elysium spoiler ||Theseus, not because he's strong but because he's Theseus. ||

Spoilers are technically allowed here, but since you're new heh

[lusty nest]

do I not get more story for advancing into a new world like I did when I escaped Tartarus

😔

[lusty nest]

also

[sand geyser]

Yeh, it's a story progression for orpheus

[lusty nest]

Orpheus sounds so sad

[sand geyser]

His story in general is so sad

How he died is so messed up too

[lusty nest]

final question: should I invest in the deep pockets buff?

[plain river]

Yea

obols to take into tart midshop are pretty valuable

since that means you have likely a choice to maybe add someone you want to your god pool without needing to go all in

[lusty nest]

perfect

well

im done for today

good night

[sand geyser]

First time Artemis' aid actually hit the target I wanted it to hit 💔

https://imgur.com/a/SO27fwZ

That's the sole reason why I rank it lower than other aids

I'm fighting so hard against rng rn

[plain river]

I mean in general it’s just less efficient than dio call

[sand geyser]

I keep getting horrible boons

[plain river]

By a matter of like 200%

only growing with poms

[sand geyser]

I stopped playing with heat so I could actually farm darkness to finally max out my mirror xd

[sand geyser]

In general, my fav aids are athena and zeus

[plain river]

zeus is also great damage but it’s like the difference of immediacy vs overall more damage from dio

they are both the dps call

[sand geyser]

Dionysus being Zagreus in the actual mythology and him being in this game will never not be funny to me

[pale glacier]

What are the most consistent builds with the least rng? (Outside of Zeus shield)

[plain river]

anything+tidal dash

crit builds for nem are pretty consistent, so is like a cast build for achilles that starts with tidal dash and forks off into hunting blades (with artemis strike) or lightning phalanx (with zeus strike), zeus^2 for zeus shield, hangover for zeus shield, crit zag bow, hangover chiron, crush shot hera, zap or hangover for demeter fists (or any other fist really), and zap for eris (or any other rail) are all like

On the less components needed side of things

[rotund sluice]

Words of wisdom right here

[sand geyser]

https://imgur.com/a/Fp2Kmp7

This really hurt

but got the achievement

[trail tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/459353369174081538/1434741809954820266/image.png?ex=69096eef&is=69081d6f&hm=61c2b9ae0777c8ec1c4646ed57417ccfbdfc0d0b3c2f16d31c82bc68682f424d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800

lul

Very Fun build

Autopilot

[sand geyser]

what language is that

[trail tiger]

polish ;-;

[rotund sluice]

…gale?

Are you sure this is the right game?

[warped egret]

oh my bad wrong channel lol

[rotund sluice]

Please delete this post then

[distant solstice]

Curious what Hangover Chiron looks like, I usually try to go for Sea Storm (and then never see the duo)

Bow was my first weapon to get all bounties so I've been trying for 32 on it, feels a lot rougher than it was in II (and I was doing it pre-rivals)

[plain river]

Literally just dio special and aphro strike -> low tolerance

pom the hell out of your hangover

[distant solstice]

Figured that was roughly it. Do you try to get Ares as well for Curse of Nausea?

[plain river]

if you find him you can grab curse of vengeance for it

but it’s like an “if you find him” rather than forcing him in

[distant solstice]

Fair enough

Will have to try that next time

[lusty nest]

For shield, what's the best artefact to start with?

[lucid oar]

Zeus keepsake for aspect of zeus, Poseidon keepsake for the others

[thorn gorge]

just completed 13 heat w zues shield, took me 25mins & felt very hard. My pacts were:

• hard labour
• lasting consequences
• jury summons
• 2x extreme measures
• forced overtime
• damage control
• 3x tight deadline

in particular the 2 things that were hard were elysium bc the eye shadow things (when u kill the soldiers) were hella tanky & movespeed for them to regen AND hades boss fight. couldnt position shield properly with barrage of attacks from minions and hades

[proper furnace]

I was gonna go hold up for a moment then realized it was td2 instead of 3

how was your build looking?

[waxen dragon]

I did that yesterdayon heat 21 and it was not bad, I'm still quite slow on it.

Does dash strike with Athena on dash always deflect? Or do I lose that ability because I'm technically doing attack (non Athena attack)?

[plain river]

Tbf chiron isn’t exactly a fast weapon

[proper furnace]

You lose dash iframes but if you land the deflect you are still safe

[sand geyser]

Just tried playing aspect of arthur first time and I hate it

sword is so stinky

[proper furnace]

Welcome to arthur

[sand geyser]

shield better

im going back to my beloved beowulf immediately

[eager tendon]

I love arthur 😔

[nimble idol]

Hello builds chat I'ma be here for a little as I'm going to finish my first Hades playthrough after finishing the sequel

[rotund sluice]

Nice to meetcha

[nimble idol]

hello W guild tag

[waxen dragon]

Oh gosh failed a bunch due to the tight deadline, was not clearing fast enough with rail gun

[frosty obsidian]

Anyone know if Hunter Dash (Your Dash-Strike deals more damage.) from Artemis, buffs the bow quickdraw(?) damage

Found a reddit post, scratch that

[plain river]

yes

also

I lowkey wouldn’t use reddit for Hades information

[frosty obsidian]

Oh aight

[plain river]

They’re right like how a broken clock is right twice a day

[frosty obsidian]

Oh true

[plain river]

In the Hades stone age if you will

[frosty obsidian]

Lol the post waaas a bit old too

[plain river]

But yeah dash-strikes for bow do charge 50% faster if that’s what you meant by “quick draw”

[frosty obsidian]

yeah I meant how it charges faster after a dash

Thanks I appreciate it

[small tangle]

Does anyone know a good strat to dodge demeter's winter vortex in theseus' phase 2 fight? It always seems to spawn right on top of me and do guaranteed damage (granted it isn't a lot but it's so frustrating)

[left sail]

Wsp since im getting bored of hades 2 am going back to hades 1 but i forgot ALL builds any good/OP builds i can use?

[left sail]

Yeah just dash its easy to be honest
just Dash attack dash

[small tangle]

I'll try harder next time

[proper furnace]

Tbh I just try to burst him before it's too much

You could try run away until it spawns then go back to pummelling him

If you really, really hate Theseus calling her, taking any boon of her will block Dem as one of his options

(he only calls gods that aren't in your pool)

[small tangle]

Wait whaat? I didn't know that's a thing haha

Demeter is the only call which I take damage from; I can dodge other gods just fine
So I think I'll probably grab a boon from her whenever possible from now on just in case

[icy gale]

question about boon generation - someone above described boons as "fill core slot, fill bonus status effect, fill remaining slots"

does this also apply on rerolls?

like if I have a zeus boon and see special, jolted, and something else. If I reroll, am I certain to see jolted again?

[proper furnace]

Status effects in specific are only a 50% to be prioritized

[icy gale]

oh I must be misremembering

but 50% applies after rolls still?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Oh yeah, rolling blocks one of the boons on screen iirc?

[distant solstice]

Got to try it on 32 heat today, made it to Hades and almost through P1. Had Aphro & Ares both in the pool but couldn’t get either duo, ended up with a pretty early Exclusive Access at least. Feels a bit more reliable than Sea Storm did, though Theseus/Asterius took out my 3 restocked DDs from Patroclus. Still suck at that fight.

[tight basin]

Also to add on, the vortexes spawn where his spear throw lands and whenever he does his spin attack

So it's not like random or anything

It always feels on top of you bc he throws it when you're far and spins when you're close lmao

[sand geyser]

So i got super lucky and was able to get 7 casts on my beowulf shield 💀

The 3 base, 1 from chaos, and the other 3 from well of charon upgrade in the temple of styx that just kept appearing

So I fought Hades with 7 casts LMAO

[waxen dragon]

If Chiron has Artemis special, will crit chance get checked for every shot in the volley?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[waxen dragon]

So would it have a huge potential for damage in this case?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

Artemis and dio chiron are the best

But I recommend it when you’ve upgraded Chiron more

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I tend to do Dio. Would Demeter work as well?

Or Ares?

[rotund sluice]

Not as well, but it could maybe work

[waxen dragon]

Ok I'll give Artemis Chiron a go. What works for attack?

[rotund sluice]

Aphrodite

[waxen dragon]

Tdash on Demeter fist?

[plain river]

Absolutely unless it’s an ME build

[small tangle]

Wait that's really cool thanks!
I never noticed because I'm just way too busy trying to whoop his ass

[delicate needle]

Can some one help me with build for spear?

[rotund sluice]

Get the flurry jab hammer and get Zeus attack and Poseidon dash. Get static discharge, and go for hyper sprint and rush delivery on Hermes’ boons.
Conversely, for a special build, I like Artemis special and Aphrodite attack, and going for heart rend. Charged and/or explosive skewer are nearly necessary in this build.

Or
Go Poseidon dash and see where the wind takes you

[delicate needle]

Okay thx

[frosty python]

looking for decent fist build

[rotund sluice]

ZAP or ME are my recommendations
Zeus attack
Aphrodite/artemis special
Poseidon dash
Static discharge
Smoldering air with Aphrodite, or whatever else you want really
Or
Merciful End with ares attack, Athena special and dash, and impending doom.

[waxen dragon]

Doesn't it make it harder to hit the special if tdash is knocking the enemies away?

[rotund sluice]

Doesn’t matter on bosses and tdash hits hard enough to supplement it oftentimes.

Some people don’t like it tbf, but I think it’s perfectly fine. Plus, you can pin them to the wall and start beating them up like hell.

[waxen dragon]

I'll have to try. I failed fists a few times already

[rotund sluice]

Fists are my main, so I never really had issues with them

There’s also the hangover build

[waxen dragon]

Trying hangover. Do I put Artemis on special?

[rotund sluice]

No, Aphrodite

You want the duo

[waxen dragon]

I got the double pom, and epic boon duo, I didn't get the extra drunk stack one though

[rotund sluice]

Shame

[waxen dragon]

But still level 13 epic drunk attack seemed to clear faster, I could dash in to add stacks and run away while the drunk hits

[rotund sluice]

Holy that’s a high level

Yeah you don’t need the duo that shreds
Like it would help, but you don’t need much more than that

[waxen dragon]

I think I got Artemis on special at first and then had to get Aphrodite in the second last realm

[rotund sluice]

Yeah that’ll diminish your chances of the duo

[waxen dragon]

I'll try again though. Usually I pick Zeus for fist but without jolted, it's awful

[rotund sluice]

If you’re not getting jolted, then you’re either really unlucky or you’re doing smt wrong

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I was super unlucky

[rotund sluice]

Rng hell huh

[waxen dragon]

On Chiron, it doesn't seem as fast

[proper furnace]

What build?

Although yeah chiron is not known as fast

[waxen dragon]

Hangover with Aphrodite duo

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah hangover is less killing thing fast and just comfy/safe

[waxen dragon]

In terms of that build, once you hit max stacks, do you keep spamming the special to keep putting on stacks or is it worth using regular attack for maybe more damage?

[proper furnace]

Even on something like eris with its funny +75% boost

[waxen dragon]

Like it doesn't actually add more stacks.

[proper furnace]

If there're more enemies you can start spreading hangover to them

Attack I'd say depends on hammers

If you have a call you can also just do more specials for more charge

Although hangover already charges fast anyways

[waxen dragon]

Does chaos boost hangover ticks?

[proper furnace]

Nope

The buff needs to say "you deal more dmg" (boosts any dmg source from zag) or "the enemy takes more dmg" (buffs non zag dmg sources too like traps/summons)

Easy example of the first is privileged status

For the second you have aphro's sweet surrender

[proper furnace]

Eris is also an example of the first and why is so strong

[plain river]

Chiron isn’t exactly speedy whatsoever

[waxen dragon]

Faster bow? Zag?

[waxen dragon]

Yeah trying hangover with Eris at the moment.

[proper furnace]

Hera is fastest

Burst dmg from aphro cast is too good

Zag is more in the middle

(and hidden bow is best at heat)

[proper furnace]

Or another way to put it
Hyper sprint (+100% movement speed after dash) and rush delivery (convert 50%/75%/100% of movement speed to global dmg) is one of hermes's strongest combos

Eris gives you rare rush delivery + sprint for free

[plain river]

All of them

are faster than Chiron

not being dependent on the 8 hour long special does a fair amount

[frank goblet]

and speeds

its top 2 ig

but like

hidden bow my goat

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. Are any of the other aspects worthwhile playing like rail, does anyone ever play the zag rail when Eris is available?

[plain river]

Yes

zag rail is funny because spreadfire exists

It’s actually my speed pb rn

[frank goblet]

not really, but there is hestia bc it doesn’t really play at all like the other rails

[proper furnace]

And lucifer gets budget clockets

[tough dock]

need some good aspect of achilles builds

[tight basin]

Hunting Blades

• Ares cast
• Artemis attack is preferred, but any prerequisite will work
• Zeus attack also works, especially if you get Static Discharge, but you will be opening Lightning Rod, which makes it harder to pick up your casts. Clogging your duo pool is risky, but can work out

Lightning Phalanx

• Athena cast
• Zeus attack
• Static Discharge

[tough dock]

thank you so much

what hammers am i looking for?

[frank goblet]

flurry jab > serrated edge > extending jab > and the special hammers are kinda mid tbh

[waxen dragon]

Budget clockets? I did find Zeus attack and Athena special on it is fun

[proper furnace]

Clockets is cluster + rocket hammer combo in the other rails
Results in 5 80 base dmg rockets for 400 if all 5 hit

Luci's special at max level deals 100 per bomb, so triple bomb gets you 300 total

100 less dmg for only 1 hammer is not bad

[tight basin]

calling the special hammers "mid" would mean they're average lmao

in reality they're quite useless

[frank goblet]

the whatever its called return hammer is like fine on achilles tho

vicious skewer

[valid dagger]

It’s odd that you can get that on Achilles in the first place. The whole gimmick of the aspect is to focus on the attack or cast and keeping the buff up by rushing to your special instead of recovering it. It is arguably the least useful on Achilles. Fun for the memes tho

[frank goblet]

it still works on the rush tho lol

so like its still usable

[valid dagger]

I’ll have to try and get some big numbers with it some time

[sand geyser]

What happens when you rank up chthonic companions?

nvm, im blind

[waxen dragon]

Ugh failed Lucifer in realm 3, tight deadline got me. Was trying Athena special Zeus attack. Seemed way too slow

[waxen dragon]

Tried again with Poseidon and didn't make it out of the first realm without losing a life. Trying again with Zeus. Still figuring out how to play it

[plain river]

This seems like a fairly decent build at least component wise

lightning strike and big +% special work well

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I am pretty slow with it. Just managed to clear with Zeus attack, Aphrodite special, Poseidon call, smouldering air, sea storm, razor shoal, tdash, jolted, triple bomb and greater inferno

[rain swift]

can say so good aspect of rama build

i use that rn

ah can't send image

wait

if want see builds image pm me

[ancient sapphire]

Hey uh what is a pact of punishment

[plain river]

Once you successfully escape you unlock it, and it lets you toggle on a bunch of difficulty modifiers to your run that will let bosses give you their bounty items again

The game explains it pretty well when you interact with the windowsill Zag jumps off iirc

[ancient sapphire]

Oh. I haven't interacted with it

Do I have to activate it....wait so I can get titan blood again???

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[ancient sapphire]

Yes. Ok then

[proper furnace]

Quick version
Reach heat the game tells you to = bounties refreshed for the weapon = beat dad = heat needed raises by 1

[ancient sapphire]

I really wanna activate those aspects again. Which aspect is best on those Gauntlets? It had that dark shine

[proper furnace]

Demeter

[ancient sapphire]

Oh God.....I won't be able to do it then cause if it gets too hard I will be dying early again

[proper furnace]

You also cannot go to heat 2 and thus get those bounties if you failed the heat 1 run

[ancient sapphire]

Ouch so if I die heat 1 I won't increase heat

[proper furnace]

If you die at heroes for example the first 3 bosses would give darkness then dad the blood

What you can do tho is "skip" heat 0

[ancient sapphire]

?

[proper furnace]

So with the weapons you haven't escaped with yet you can turn on heat 1 to get bounties with those again

[ancient sapphire]

Wait so if I get the titan blood from fury and diamond and ambrosia, if I lose to final boss I won't get them?

[proper furnace]

You'll get those the first time at the new heat but next run at that same heat (assuming you die) will give darkness for the first 3 bosses

[ancient sapphire]

Huh????

[proper furnace]

The game doesn't check you clear heat 0 before letting you use heat options so you can squeeze some extra free blood from furies

[ancient sapphire]

Oh God. So it would be a waste then if I died

[proper furnace]

Can't swear

[ancient sapphire]

You mean o h g o d is a swear word

[proper furnace]

Not really a waste, you still get +1 blood/diamond and ambrosia

You'd have to eventually kill dad at current heat to refresh again tho

(you can't miss out on any boss resources if it seems confusing)

[ancient sapphire]

Hence the waste. It would mean I need to defeat him to increase heat which means heat 1 will be useless if I die in the middle

[proper furnace]

Ah in that sense

[ancient sapphire]

I won't anymore . I accidently used 1 blood to get 200 gems. I didn't see the cost at the broker Ahhh

[ancient sapphire]

Yep

[proper furnace]

Squeezing the extra blood from furies can be good to max lvl one aspect then you can rush the bounties on that weapon for what it's worth

If you have it unlocked, just do extreme measures 1 as your choice for now

It only affects one part of your run then the rest is the same

[ancient sapphire]

Which aspects do you think I should invest in on all the weapons. I won't be using the bow tbh it is so hard to use. I keep dying to the furies. The rail was helpful the first time but I still prefer the other 4

Extreme measure?

[proper furnace]

For each weapon:
Nemesis
Achilles
Zeus
Zagreus bow/hera
Demeter
Eris (hestia also good but more expensive)

[proper furnace]

Is one of the pact options

Adds new stuff to each boss (lvl 1 only affects furies, lvl 2 is hydra + furies and so on)

[ancient sapphire]

Oh G O D ...

Like what new stuff? One shot attacks?

[proper furnace]

New patterns basically

[ancient sapphire]

Well that would be good then. All I need is athena's deflect boons and I would be fine.

The thing is if I don't get the deflect boons by the time I reach the final boss I will force restart the whole run

Happened once

[proper furnace]

In detail
||Furies adds either one or both sisters as supports and attack you, they don't have an hp bar tho|| (furies)

||Arena is a bunch of small islands/hydra loses its neck and can chase you around at the last phase|| (hydra)

[ancient sapphire]

(W T H??????)

[proper furnace]

Are you using the keepsakes from the gods?

They'll let you get desired parts of your builds a lot easier

[ancient sapphire]

I equip one at Tartarus and the fiery area and use Lucky tooth on the third. I sometimes forget though and keep lucky tooth at all times lmao

[proper furnace]

Aight you good then

Also if you have the acorn keepsake (asphodel npc) I'd suggest leveling that one and taking it into elysium and styx instead

[ancient sapphire]

How in the name of G O D am I gonna survive this? Because if the hydra one is true I am dead already. I hate that place for a reason and it is the annoying lava

[proper furnace]

And I refuse to spoil EM heroes cuz that's the funniest change

[ancient sapphire]

I would prefer an extra death defiance. What it do? Wait you mean uh Orpheus's wife?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[ancient sapphire]

I forgot the name but I remember the myth

[ancient sapphire]

She has a keepsake?

[proper furnace]

It blocks the first 3/4/5 hits on a boss fight

[proper furnace]

Yup

[proper furnace]

Dad for example weakest hit in most cases is like 20 dmg

[ancient sapphire]

Please do I wanna know cause I may stay clear from that 'defect' term of that punishment pact

[proper furnace]

At worst it equals the 100 hp from tooth

Fiine

[ancient sapphire]

Woah. .....kinda hard though cause it may not work very well cause I would get hit a lot

[proper furnace]

Theseus gets a chariot with mounted mini guns

[ancient sapphire]

Wait so I could theoretically get one shot???

[proper furnace]

Asterius gets an upgrade to most of his moves/new beyblade move

[ancient sapphire]

His shield already is annoying and now a chariot?

[proper furnace]

No I mean
5 20 hp hits = 100hp total
Lucky tooth recovers 100 hp upon usentoo

[proper furnace]

He loses the shield while he's on the chariot

[ancient sapphire]

Oh that.

[ancient sapphire]

Still if he has guns on it, it would ruin my killing the bull first idea

[proper furnace]

And dad also has a bunch of moves that deal a lot more than 20

Or stuff like getting hit by his casts (which makes you take double dmg for a while) then getting hit by a spin

You would block 100 hp of dmg in 2 hits (20 from cast/80 from cast boosted spin)

[proper furnace]

Fwiw he doesn't actively target you

He spends a lot of time circling around the arena

[sand geyser]

Ngl, by the time I played extreme measures theseus, I was already too op with my shield build and my meg companion that I didn't even spend 2 minutes in that fight

[wanton quiver]

also they are both golden for no real reason 😭

[ancient sapphire]

Oooooh

[ancient sapphire]

Meg companion?

[ancient sapphire]

What was the build?

[keen siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436013405705076807/1437348251497140254/image.png?ex=6912ea5f&is=691198df&hm=2fe3f3547fa1cb745220bcc178bce5e0530ce2639cc8e1e6c58bac7624d51810&
noobs that discover duo boons and think anything green is good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436013405705076807/1437350288477519892/image.png?ex=6912ec45&is=69119ac5&hm=53a1f1d7f3f7dac227e6dab46f3f5078645ba580568757bcfeb54429dd04caa6&
people who know how to actually make busted builds

[zenith fractal]

While I am aware that the screenshot is a joke, it's a bit of an exaggeration, there is no aspect in the game that runs this

[keen siren]

right, its for any weapon which just makes it more busted

[zenith fractal]

No, I mean, this is off-meta

[keen siren]

also, you only need 1 artemis as you know, having them all isnt part of it, just shows where you need what

[zenith fractal]

The closest you get to an aspect running this would be... achilles? But that aspect also runs poseidon dash with his tier 2s for enemy cleanup

And the arty special and call are unnecessary

[keen siren]

the game tries to fill out all of your spells before the call, so you probably wont get it
if you want posiden dash get it, it is better, its just a visual representation that you only need 1 arty

in any slot except cast

I'm pretty sure aphrodite call does more damage than artemis call right?

[zenith fractal]

Depends on amount of crits

The average damage is similar

[keen siren]

and I'm pretty sure you can miss some of artemis shots with the call

or do they just circle around until they hit like Chiron?

[zenith fractal]

They fly off if they don't have a target

[keen siren]

solid

[zenith fractal]

(Same goes for aphrodite though)

[keen siren]

oh
but at least you have to make 1 shot hit as opposed to many
and I always do it point blank so I dont miss

honestly, I was thinking about taking artemis dash for hunting blades and then selling the dash between levels for anything else

[zenith fractal]

there are 2 aspects that to my knowledge can want artemis dash. that'd be zagreus bow (w/ pseudotech), or rama. however, neither of these need any tier 2s other than hunter's mark after that, and the right hammers (and rama wants a zeus special -> rod ig to deal with weak enemies).

[keen siren]

also, I dont see how hunting blades is off meta if you dont even have to play the game AND they work with any weapon

I feel like theyre a mistake left in the game

[zenith fractal]

there are stronger options is all.
why not play the game for 10 seconds when you could press a button once and kill the enemy on 0.2 seconds

[keen siren]

sure but they're definitely S tier

[zenith fractal]

< rod

[keen siren]

worse than rod? lightning rod?

[zenith fractal]

lightning rod does what hunting blades try to do, but better unless one has a dedicated cast buff.

at first glance, 70 damage every second may not sound like much. indeed, even just the base weapon does this just fine.

where it gets strong is that 1: you get 3 casts to start, meaning you actually get 70 * 3 = 210 base damage every second, 2: rod has an immense range (about half the screen), 3: as opposed to hblades, rod does not miss or trail behind enemies, 4: it can apply static discharge, which is pretty useful if your only other source of jolted is unreliable (it also sees some major use in high heat as a standalone safe damage-option against nasty rooms, particularly on some of the weaker or clunkier aspects). this near map-wide range and decent damage makes it the fastest weak enemy cleanup tool in the game.

as such, rod is used not only in speedrunning on most aspects that run an artemis coreboon to clean up enemies faster, but also in high heat on aspects like gilgamesh which have, let's say... "questionable" safety. it's also considered the number 1 most-used boon for any hitless or damageless run that allows zeus and artemis, due to its range and ability to apply static discharge.

to be clear, rod is of course not the most damage of anything one can do, but it does a better job at what it's used for than any other boon in the game, which is being an enemy-cleanup that can be used on pretty much any aspect in pretty much any category.

[keen siren]

Your collectible Cast Ammo strike nearby foes with lightning every 1 Sec.
so they sit on the ground, and do lightning

you said you want zeus special for rama?

ok well, as it turns out, lightning rod also works with hunting blades

especially since blades doesnt need a weapon to work
and I know youre saying to replace hunting blades with lightning rod
and rama will use the cast that would be used for hblades
but, options, ya know?

oh, to load in the shots, you press the same thing you press for hunting blades, so it wouldnt work

but, the idea of getting Fully Loaded with rama and rod is a good one

[zenith fractal]

would recommend against this, as it's anti-synergy both ways: rod doesn't activate while the bloodstone isn't dropped, and rod makes the pickup radius smaller which makes playing hunting blades harder

[keen siren]

I got this

[zenith fractal]

also, the less duos one needs, the better. most builds try to limit themselves to 1, as it's often difficult enough to reliably get 1 duoboon alongside the usual hermes stuff (hyper sprint + RD, or bonus dashes) and chaos, much less 2 duoboons

[keen siren]

with this

is athena good, ever?

[zenith fractal]

[keen siren]

well, except for fresh save speedruns

[zenith fractal]

also like top 1 or top 2 god in high heat, together with zeus (in their own respective cases)

[rotund sluice]

Merciful End is great

[zenith fractal]

is undoubtedly the most overall powerful duoboon. it works on every melee aspect except arthur.

[keen siren]

I used merc end with spear and exploding launcher
back when I was new

athena on the attack 💀

[zenith fractal]

you can do that on zeus shield actually. zeus also is the only ME-able aspect that doesn't necessarily need to work well

[keen siren]

before I knew that a lvl 11 athena attack did the same damage as a lvl 4 ares (excluding the doom)

[zenith fractal]

this statement is highly rarity- and weapon base-damage dependent, I feel like this is a bit slanderous. ares attack literally can start anywhere from 50 to 125 depending on rarity

athena attack sure isn't used much in anyheat, but it's a solid pick for high heat on several aspects

the four swords, or guan yu (spin strats) come to mind

it's also fine at high rarity (like anything else %-based) on hestia-rail, in both any- and high-heat.

[keen siren]

so whats the high heat range?

[zenith fractal]

wdym high heat range

[keen siren]

I know the cap is 64

[zenith fractal]

community defines "high heat" as 32+

[keen siren]

cause the last statue unlocks at 32

[zenith fractal]

as such, the official speedrun categories for high heat are 32+, 40+, and 50+

[sand geyser]

Yeah. ||Leveling up your relationship with certain underworld gods will allow you to get a companion call from them. Which you can use to summon them in battle and they’ll help 🙏🏻 They will help in any fight except their own boss fights (for Meg especially), and against Hades. Meg is pretty much the most OP one. In terms of dealing damage.||

[waxen dragon]

Talos build recommendations? I don't play it much and found an interesting mechanic with Talos special and Poseidon, it seems to be pretty neat, I don't yet know how to make the most of it though

[ancient sapphire]

(So ||most are unusable at Hades's fight? Kinda makes sense since he is their lord but still....ugh||)

[sand geyser]

They are all unusable in the Hades fight period

[ancient sapphire]

Ouch

[proper furnace]

? you can use skelly's and sisyphus's always

and then later on get permission to use the other 4

[sand geyser]

yeah but not at first

the other 4 i mean

[proper furnace]

your message made it seem like a more permanent thing lol

[rain swift]

yo bros

have so good build

about arcihlles

but cant send image to here ./

can pm me 4 build brtw

[tight basin]

You can send image links here

Or use imgur

If you have the victory screen you can just post to #h1-victory-boasting

[ancient pivot]

Ah yes, my favorite person from hades, ARCIHLLES

[timid aspen]

I spent all six of my Titans blood on aspects, haven't beaten the game yet. Am I stuck with those aspects for now until I beat the game?

[plain river]

You can get more titans blood from trading

And iirc you can get a few more from minor prophecies

but otherwise yeah you’re kind of stuck until your first escape

[timid aspen]

Everyone says that there's no "best" weapon, they're all balanced, etc.

But if Aegis is the only one that can block, then what's the catch?

[plain river]

They’re all viable for 99% of game content, not perfectly balanced thou

[cobalt hearth]

there's a difference between viability and balance yeah
it's impossible to perfectly balance everything, but every weapon is viable outside of like. max heat
i think the "catch" with aegis is that its natural dps is relatively low

[plain river]

Wrong channel also spoilers if you would take down your message and put it in the right channel ( #h2-builds-and-combat)

[plush tusk]

omg sorry didn't see the number

[brittle tulip]

I most likely ain't never gonna see or play a run using bow and shield

My two weirdest weapon to play imo

The other four are fine

Though fist had become some sort of my favorite

[zenith fractal]

The heat-viability difference between the strongest aspect and the weakest aspect in this game is along the lines of 8 to 11 depending on the record you consider (unmodded it's 64 on zeus and rama, with the speedrun modpack it's 64 heat for zeus, rama guan yu, and eris. Unmodded the lowest record is gilgamesh 53, modded the record is tied between multiple aspects at 56). In the context of the game, 8 heat is a lot, as difficulty is exponential, so significantly lower than max heat.

You are right to say this is very much a difference that only becomes increasingly relevant at the high-end though.