h1-builds-and-combat

[unique siren]

Gilga is cool

[indigo ember]

Shackle pls look in #h1-victory-boasting :D

how does one acquire the power of sending screenies outside of victory boasting?

[vital night]

Right click the image and copy link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1009935640193945630/IMG_2087.jpg?ex=67d34cdc&is=67d1fb5c&hm=73172eb01908f0c59b79c65598c3f3786650f5b5d730f62740d4e391fa3ede49&

and then paste. you can do it to a bot or in a private server too

[full valley]

the flex while showing how to use embeds

[vital night]

that's not my run lol, it's shackles one

that he posted right here

[full valley]

ahhhhh

[plain river]

Real gamers know which image to use for teaching imbeds

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png?ex=67d399a1&is=67d24821&hm=0d2512a04cc316f27170c244641f074b461f541da857aebecd8d1242f2fe5327&

[full valley]

LOL

[edgy hornet]

What's a good meta of boons for a spam/speedrun type build?

[jolly chasm]

Beo, Hera, Eris, and Hestia are pretty good

for aspects

I think Hestia and Hera are best for unmodded

[edgy hornet]

Isn't that H2 gods ?

[jolly chasm]

Hera starts crush shot from Aphro and gets Snow burst from dem and then just poms the cast and looks for cast scaling

[jolly chasm]

Ye

But they are also weapon aspects in Hades 1

Hestia is only good at max blood tho

[edgy hornet]

Oh, I didn't know that, I don't remember much of the stuff from the mirror and weapons, havent played in a long time and decided to take a break from h2, so I was immediately confused

I'm trying to hit big numbers on damage, is that best done through the aspects?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

Beowulf(hidden aspect of Shield) hits big numbers the best

Like the most I've ever had is like 13k of 7 stones or some ridiculous number

[edgy hornet]

Okay, I feel like shield might have been the weapon I had most success on when I first played through this game

[unique siren]

Trippy flare+beo+fully loaded(and chaos) is insane burst damage

[quiet ivy]

any zag aspect builds that can be recommended for mid to high heat? 16-32 roughly

cleared a zag shield run at 16 recently by pomming the hell out of hunter dash, taking chaos dash-strike boons and getting the dashing wallop hammer

have yet to make a truly nasty build for zag spear or sword, if anyone has recommendations for those specifically i'm all ears

[dull viper]

zag spear is either exploding launcher with a meaty special damage boost or flurry jab with focus on dash striking

zag sword is either merciful end or double edge with focus on dash striking

[plain river]

Zag bow is pretty fire with crit builds, aphro strike + artemis special for heart rend, then twin/triple shot hammers + point blank/perfect shot

[jolly chasm]

Zag rail kinda cozy

Zag Shield with Cshot goes hard as well

[quiet ivy]

there's a zag rail spread fire build with poseidon and sea storm that i really want to create

[jolly chasm]

Ye

It’s pretty fun

[quiet ivy]

shotgun go brr

eris hangover is a great rail aspect but i've gotten kinda bored of it over time

[plain river]

Eris lightning is like

Superior

And then you can run dio as your call

instead

[plain river]

Spreadfire zagrail is fire but sea storm is like the last build I’d use with it ngl

[quiet ivy]

i've managed to build it halfway with spreadfire and seastorm, i do think it has a decent amount more damage potential if i can get the poseidon legendary with wave pounding

second wave sounds really good on weapons with very quick attack animations a la the rail

haven't found the time to try it out in full but i can imagine it would really add up over time

[plain river]

…you really end up suffering because you’re either using it on regular rail and have no base damage to make up for poseidons nothing

or you’re using spreadfire and don’t have the range to keep up

Actually base rail is also really good at knocking enemies out of it’s own range too but like

[dull viper]

super soaker lucifer build 🤑

[plain river]

It has more range to start with

supersoaker

[quiet ivy]

if ever i use poseidon on the rail the gameplan is really just knocking stuff into corners, range is a bit of a secondary concern

even without spread fire i think i only ever use the rail as a ranged weapon on hestia and lucifer

[quiet ivy]

oh yeah i love that build lmao

[plain river]

Asphodel is just like

The prime location to never act again

Push someone out of your own range insanely fast and then they hop to the other side of the map

Cuz there just aren’t nearly as many walls

[quiet ivy]

oh yeah asphodel sucks doodoo in that regard

[dull viper]

fo2 td3 in asphodel and enemies have the speed perk
pain

[quiet ivy]

i don't use tight deadline as a condition often though so the time spent is more of a nuisance

[drifting crystal]

What are some good builds that yall recommend?

[vital night]

if you're on shield, start tidal dash and look for any of the attack hammers and aphro/artemis/ares/zeus/dio on attack

[drifting crystal]

Wouldnt athena be better for dash?

[dull viper]

athena is defensive, poseidon is offensive
you already have amazing defense with the shield so may as well get some extra damage

[drifting crystal]

Alr

Does the shield charge block every type of dmg and attack?

[dull viper]

traps can still hit you
other than that yeah it can block anything that comes to my mind

[drifting crystal]

Alr

[plain river]

Any shockwaves can still hit you iirc

which are only from Hades and the Theseus/Asterius team up move once you get to that part of the story

[drifting crystal]

Ok

[vital night]

You block those too

[jovial linden]

Are there certain boons that are more common / rarer than others? It feels like I find Zeus and Dionysus a lot but almost never find Artemis or Ares

[vital night]

All gods have an equal chance of being offered

After you get 4 non Hermes gods, you’ll only be offered gods from that pool with equal chance

[plain river]

Gods themselves aren’t weighted seperately, they’re all the same

Boons on the other hand aren’t all weighted equally, but there are general rules for that

[quiet ivy]

prolly a stupid question but chaos attack % boons won't affect doom drops will they

[jolly chasm]

No

They will not

[quiet ivy]

i know crit chance does but yeah other percentage based things don't

oh well to the reroll with ye, o chaos

thanks for the answer :D

[plain river]

Anything that’s global damage +% will

and only global crit chance will affect doom

like pressure points, splitting headache and hunter marks

[bronze pelican]

had a crazy build that I beat the final boss with yesterday. I had the railgun + Poseidon's special damage increase and knockback + the Hammer upgrade that changes your special to a missile + Hammer upgrade that changes your missile to 5 missiles

I was one shotting normal enemies by the end

that's... what I'm doing

[jolly chasm]

It's a bot

Also, you found what the community likes to call Clockets

They are very strong

[bronze pelican]

It’s so busted lol

But fun

[primal brook]

Death to the Abominable Intelligence!

[unique siren]

Gonna call ChatGPT this

[frozen hawk]

Has someone had Clear Everything, already?

Just curious

[plain river]

64 heat has been completed multiple times

[tight basin]

3 times, 2 different aspects

Most recently like last week lmao

Week and a half ago

[frozen hawk]

No.

I meant,

finish all routes so that there’s is nothings else to do to get more information about the players life

Story lines w npcs

Etc

[tight basin]

That's probably been done tbh

[vital night]

There’s a lot of pieces of dialogue in the game so getting all of them would probably take way longer than you expect

Getting 100% completion other than dialogue is pretty standard for long term players though

[lethal nacelle]

Hades has such fantastic combat options, but man do I suck with spear

[glass tusk]

Spear is my ride or die. I always go aspect of achilles + fast build, i like pairing it with zeus and if i can get the no spin attack hammer, i always take it

[vital night]

Achilles with flurry jab and tidal dash start allows you to be very flexible with your attack and cast

Mash to win

[lethal nacelle]

I feel that's kinda why I dislike spear- I don't enjoy its aspects nor its unique traits, it feels like 3 weapons mashed into one and bores me so much I play sloppily

I love near every other weapon, but man spear just feels.. meh

[frozen hawk]

Think of everything as a straight line from a circle.

If you have a center and point which is the same place, the best damage done is the one that can do All Damage. While not doing anything at all.

That’s why the Argis, with Ares as Doom and Athena to beg

In with, combined with every possible god to meet if possible.

Would create a really strong blitz, from within. Where as you can maximize the damage if you stand in it, sometimes, then maybe optimizing such that, you can get a result where Hades dies. Immediately

A theory

But I haven’t gotten that far

I tried all punishment

, 59

But with only one way up it is a little bit fastidious and difficult

[lethal nacelle]

I'm sorry, what?

[frozen hawk]

Then I changed it to 18

And then

Just played normally as you would

pact value

And then

Got to tisiphone and Alecto I think

But neither beat

So I’m stuck in Tartarus for a while

Until I beat

Just check the logs

I think

So now, I’m at a point where

I can

Starting from Nothing.

1. Chose Chaos egg
2. Play, with meeting Ares, with Aphrodite.
3. Have not succeeded.

So yeah.

I’m trying to unlock

Chaos, plays.

But I’m not sure if that was written?

[lethal nacelle]

Are you trying to get... help? Discussion? I can't tell what you're talking about

[frozen hawk]

I’m making estatement

What else?

Who are you btw

[lethal nacelle]

Huh

[frozen hawk]

Idk

I’m like

Just a marionette

Or alcohol, poisoning

Btw strategy.

Don’t, until you know you can:

1. define a center

Making that point your base

2. Try to not beat hades

3. Try to get Chaos

4. I unlocked some scenes if anyone is interested

[lethal nacelle]

mhmmmm

[frozen hawk]

I’m trying to max out the hearts of everyone

But from an AresDite’ is my father and mother perspective

• Not, An Athena, CHEN

a HK girl who had a professor as a parent

And a mother of Law

Who totally wasn’t in love and liked sandwhich theories

And sent letters everyday

And my dad pursued my mom

So I guess you can say ima product of love and war! But that story is a different one

Okay anyway

So

[vital night]

What a strange bot

[dull viper]

a HK girl? a... hollow knight girl...?

[vital night]

That’s what I thought at first

Probably Hong Kong

[plain river]

This actually explains a lot

[analog mauve]

[heady flame]

Hi y'all, what skill in the mirror you advise to level up?
I am at 20ish tries but i hardly reach Hades

Any advice?

[lucid oar]

Death defiance and thick skin are good ones to max first

[turbid needle]

Death defiance, this skin, extra dash, starting gold and also heal when you move rooms

[plain river]

That sounds all about right but I’d throw in Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion

They’re a bit more expensive and at the bottom of your mirror, so get the others mentioned first, but the game becomes night and day with them

[clever mason]

Is there any reason or build to ever turn off dark foresight?

[plain river]

Boonless

[clever mason]

What’s the best boonless weapon and build?

[little tide]

Best boonless is probably shield. You can just sit in a corner and block damage while chipping away at everything. It's boring, safe and works.

[vital night]

Aspect of Rama bow

[jolly chasm]

Hestia

[dull viper]

also grinding darkness for ranks

or just any meta progress item

[plain river]

?

Dark Foresight is the play for darkness farming because more golden laurels = faster run times = faster darkness from bosses which is way better than taking the 5 darkness from blue laurel rewards

You get more darkness for time invested 🧠

[dull viper]

huh

good point

[lethal nacelle]

Remember to use chaos egg and buy all chaos gate charon well stuff to improve darkness more

[plain river]

Chaos egg is like a topper for Elysium

When you’re darkness farming your first two keepsakes will be gods for your build, and that leaves only elysium for you to possibly benefit from egg

[lethal nacelle]

I realise I may have somehow anti synergised

[clever mason]

What is the interaction between chaos egg and well of Charon?

[dull viper]

chaos reduces run time because of the free chamber and also provides boons which boost darkness earning

[jolly chasm]

idt there is any interaction

[vital night]

Light of ixion is something you can buy to guarantee a chaos gate in the next available chamber

I guess if you want to preserve health and have a few ixions you could take egg?

[dull viper]

higher chaos boon rarity also means bigger darkness boost

[clever mason]

I was recently holding the egg and at the well and I heard chaos laughing. Dialog for sure, but I wasn’t sure if something else was happening

I might have also bought everything and rolled the die for more stuff.

[vital night]

Oh interesting

[lethal nacelle]

Yeah

[turbid needle]

Yall ever use side hustle

[jolly chasm]

It’s meh

Hermes has some really strong other boons

[turbid needle]

I love it

My favourite hermes boon personaly

[turbid needle]

True

[vital night]

i like it

[turbid needle]

Same, it's so cool getting rich every chamber 🤑

[wooden elk]

how does Hangover stacking work? If the attack and special both have it does it only calc dmg from whatever starts the stacking first?

[vital night]

Later stacks overwrite previous stacks

[plain river]

*and hence you only want one hangover source

[bronze pelican]

I like the one that gives you extra dashes

[plain river]

Have you tried Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery?

Way too much free damage on everything is just amazing

[vital night]

I like side hustle better

[plain river]

I haven’t been a fan of side hustle in a while

It’s alright

And I’ll take it over the attack speed and cast related hermes boons on most aspects

But most of them time I just will not take it

[turbid needle]

AttCk speed is insane on something like flurry stab or any flurry ability

Or zeus shield

[plain river]

Well like

[turbid needle]

I like the attack speed or special speed buffa

[plain river]

They don’t do much tbh

[turbid needle]

They do if there epic which mine usually are if I'm gonna take the,

[plain river]

If they’re epic is the main time I’d even consider them

[turbid needle]

30 percent is huge

[plain river]

Most weapons, an epic swift flourish isn’t doing crap for it’s dps rotations

[turbid needle]

Epic attack speed is good no matter the weapon in my experience

[plain river]

and on most weapons neither is an epic swift strike because dash strikes don’t use attack speed

The flurry hammers for Spear and bow change thst

And so does rail

[plain river]

It’s not much in my experience, and neither to my Hades knowledge

Most weapons would just prefer other boons

Particularly since dash strikes don’t benefit from attack speed buffs, so they’d rather take greatest reflex for more dashes

Or hyper sprint for defense and then rush delivery for raw dps off the movement speed boost

Of course you can’t always get those but due to most weapons being unable to benefit from swift strike or swift flourish on their optimal dps rotations they’d just rather a defensive boost

[turbid needle]

Iv never really like movement zpeed

Overall its just preference

[plain river]

I mean I am talking from a mechanical stand point when I say it’s better for dps

I do enjoy movement speed but I’m not just throwing it out there purely because I like it

Hyper Sprint is also really powerful defensively which is massive

[turbid needle]

I do More dps and take less hits with attack speed tho

[plain river]

See that just makes me think that you’re standing striking a lot

Which weapons are you using most often?

[turbid needle]

Bow, mainly chiron and shield, mainly zeis

[rigid hollow]

imo, movespeed is actually really good

not even counting for RD

[plain river]

Chiron shouldn’t really be impacted at all by strike speed

[turbid needle]

It is good from a stat standpoint I just don't like it over attack speed

[turbid needle]

Special speed

Special attack speed*

[plain river]

Special speed on the other hand is a game changer on that 8 year long special

makes it 7 years instead

[turbid needle]

I just like the attack speed boons

[rigid hollow]

that might be the one single sole instance that spec spd is good ye

[turbid needle]

Nah om a shield, double strike removes knock back with zeus attack its insake

[plain river]

Special speed also doesn’t do much on zeus because it just impacts how quickly it comes out

Zeus strike shouldn’t be insane on any shield because of internal cooldowns

[turbid needle]

It attacks faster tho plus I use the attack alot with attack speed

[plain river]

It doesn’t

Special speed doesn’t make zeus hit any faster

Mechanically speaking the only thing Swift Flourish does for zeus special is impact how long the throwing animation is

[rigid hollow]

i think a boon is a boon, if you have it, then it's better than not having a boon
but, to compare it to other stuff? sometimes you'd want something else

[plain river]

Generally speaking the swift strike and swift flourish boons just don’t do enough to warrant taking them on any weapons

because the weapons either mainly dashstrike and dash strikes aren’t impacted by attack speed, and those weapons don’t really need their special speed modified as much as they want other hermes boons

[turbid needle]

It depends on your play style, alot of the time I, hiding so extra attacks flying out when I do stick out just works for me

And also it works rly well on my builss

[rigid hollow]

nice

[plain river]

I’m coming from a place where most of my gameplay is pretty close to the optimal dps rotations for each weapon

not exactly 1:1 but

[turbid needle]

I'm just trying to get builds that work for me and that's attack speed

[plain river]

I can see rail and fists really benefiting from attack speed

and then arthur

Shield it lets you pull up your bullrush faster from standing

Spear can with flurry jab

[turbid needle]

Shield with a double jot build works amazingly with it

Double hit

[rigid hollow]

if i may ask, good sire cheeseburger

[plain river]

I’m pretty sure the internal 0.15s cooldown on lightning strike stops that from working

[rigid hollow]

how's the game's tempo for you

i'm asking cuz i find the game to be really fast at first, but then i got used to it and no longer need the speed boons anymore lol

[plain river]

Can relate, I was all about attack speed at the start

[turbid needle]

Idk I usually take it slow which is why I hate the one that limits your time om the pact

My fastest run was 15 minutes but usually there around 30

[rigid hollow]

ah then i think it's not a problem of pure boon strength, but of time perception and familiarity with the game yes?

[turbid needle]

What

[rigid hollow]

do you think this can be the case? i have a friend that plays at 40ish minutes a run lmao

[plain river]

I do think as you get better at the game, then “taking it slow” does get faster and faster just because you’re clearing rooms faster (better play and better builds) and making better decisions

[turbid needle]

Iv got a good few hours I'm the game iv had the credits role and stuff I can Beat hades consistently

[rigid hollow]

ah young padawan

[turbid needle]

I just like targeting enemys one at a time and going for less common boon builds

[rigid hollow]

the credits is i would say the first 20-25% lol

you've a ways away

[plain river]

Credits is like the tutorial over

You have the hang of runs down atp, but you still have so much to learn and experience

Rah talking Hades makes me want to play Hades I might be back in 20 minutes

Or sooner if I don’t get locked in

[turbid needle]

Do a shield run fr

[rigid hollow]

quick q tho shackle
do you think em4 all weapons or 32h all weapons are easier

[turbid needle]

Probably em4

[rigid hollow]

i'm trying out all weapons with em4 fo1 then

[plain river]

em4 all weapons is drastically easier

if you're only running em4 then it's free

no TD, no FO2 that really makes sure you're on your toes

no HL5 LC4 that shoots your hp in the foot

[rigid hollow]

and no UC

[plain river]

UC is practically free tbh

get rid of an unneeded pommable 90% of the time

[rigid hollow]

ye fair

[plain river]

I may be too used to picking up UC fodder

[rigid hollow]

yeah maybe i do need to learn how to pick boons better, but tbh it only ever bothers me in tartarus

[plain river]

anyways I think you should try all aspects with shackle but you can't use any of (strike, special, cast) if you have a core on them

at like 20 heat or something

also I just realised that you asked "all weapons" and not "all aspects" and that's a completely different ballgame of difficulty for either challenge

it cuts both of them down so much

it doesn't change their rankings but it makes them both like 85% easier

[rigid hollow]

yeah cuz some aspects are uhhhhhhh

i've never touched chaos shield

nor hades spear

[turbid needle]

WHAT! THERE both amazing

[rigid hollow]

i guess they're both not my cup of tea

[plain river]

wild statement

not about them not being your cup of tea

[rigid hollow]

okay maybe if you can craft the best builds for it then yes

[plain river]

sorry I meant wild statement in reference to them being amazing

[rigid hollow]

but how does one utilize their effects

[plain river]

they are very much one of the aspects of their respective weapons

chaos is easily the 4th best shield

[rigid hollow]

not even zag shield waooooooooooow

[plain river]

and Hades is like the 3rd or 4th best spear depending on how you want to look at it

at least zag shield gives the shield a buff?

[rigid hollow]

brrrrOTHER i can't :ICANT:

[plain river]

it's either the 3rd best spear because it's able to do something really unique compared to achilles or guan-yu, which is that it can rock the charged skewer + explosive launcher combo with +150% damage

or it's the third best because Zag spear can be a bootleg Achilles with flurry jab, with the flexibility of the same charged skewer + explosive launcher build

[rigid hollow]

yeah it doesn't even boost anything attack related, it boosts the special

[plain river]

either way it's not winning out against achilles and guan-yu

[rigid hollow]

bazinga

[plain river]

it buffs strikes

just not spins

but you cannot get flurry jab on it

[rigid hollow]

yeah why tho???? that would have been nifty

[plain river]

so you're like double discount achilles because you need to spin to get the same +% bonus to your strikes, and you need to take serrated point as well

which is just so far behind achilles

[plain river]

I guess it's because huge spin already does that and then you could easily throw together quick spin + massive spin + Hades spin size boost for like

screen wiping spins with +300% additive

For whatever reason the last time I was gaming I put my pro controller away on my window sill and had no recollection of doing so

So I just found it now

[turbid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-honse-away-honse-return-horse-away-horse-return-gif-23822840

[plain river]

I got zeus strike the last possible chamber I could this run

Chamber 58 out of the 64 I had to do

I got 4 sacked

[silent ridge]

Does Blown Kiss work on the aspect of Hera, if I've got Aphrodite's Cast and not on attack?

or in other words, which hits the first the cast or the attack

[vital night]

The attack

But blown kiss can actually cause it to shoot past the enemy

So don’t take blown kiss on Hera

[lethal nacelle]

Question, do certain hammer boons not show up unless with eachover?

Like, does cluster not show up if you have big boom

[proper furnace]

Correct

Some aspects also ban hammers

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ can check this

[lethal nacelle]

Has someone made a mod to remove these restrictions? I'm intrigued what a full special on exogryph looks like

[proper furnace]

I think the mod that lets you select stuff on the courtyard works that way

Flurry slash arthur looks goofy

[plain river]

Codex mod right

[proper furnace]

I think so?

[finite dome]

aight I am not a ranged-weapon enjoyer but I should give Hera bow a shot. Is there a basic "Hera for sword/spear idiots" guide somewhere?

[plain river]

I might remember there being one or I might be confusing it with Rama

Found it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[finite dome]

Thanks!

[lethal nacelle]

In the most basic way possible. Full build basic shots and cast, ignore special. Certain awful casts are great, while stationary/long lasting casts suck

[plain river]

And

Dash striking is just better than standing striking (this goes for all bows)

[vital night]

basically get crush shot, pom it a lot, look for snow burst

flurry>>twin>triple>perfect/PB

[finite dome]

Decided to try Demeter fists before diving into Hera and hoo boy once you get some blood into her, Demeter is great

[plain river]

I mean it is the definitive best fists aspect for a reason

[finite dome]

Yeah, I think I just didn't realize that going in, having been a pretty casual player.

But I can definitely see why it's the best!

[wicked burrow]

do tell. I tried demeter w/ fists and it was kinda mid

[plain river]

The other fists aspects just don’t offer much in comparison

With demeter you occasinally get a huge base damage hit and the others just don’t offer anything nearly as valuable

If you’re struggling to use it, you can actually use a dash-upper on the same dash that you dash strike with by hitting the buttons consecutively fast enough

[wicked burrow]

oh aspect of demeter, I thought you meant w/ demeter boons

[plain river]

Oh yeah Demeter boons are not the play on any of the fists tbh

Funnily enough she’d work best on Aspect of Demeter because the multihit special would be able to use her additive damage

but she’s just not a good pick when every other +% goddess has better synergies

[vital night]

Demeter boons are not the play 🙏

[finite dome]

Yeah no the couple Dem fists runs I've done were with Zeus and Aphro, or Dio/Arty/Athena

Everything just melts

[lethal nacelle]

I prefer the pull fists

Tbh

[plain river]

Right, I’m just talking from like

Purely a mechanical stand point here

[serene rose]

Hey everyone I’m string to get sub 10 on fists and adamant rail, any tips or guides will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

[plain river]

Have you seen the general speedrunning video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

[gusty grove]

What’s the best aspect for the bow?

[proper furnace]

Hera for speed/hidden bow for high heats

Zag bow is just all around solid and chiron is 4th best

Note: for most intended content any aspect will work without issue

[gusty grove]

Really? I hear most people say Chirons the best one

[jolly chasm]

It's because it's pretty easy to use and easy to make a passable build with

[gusty grove]

Do u know the best build for it

[jolly chasm]

uhhh

[analog mauve]

no way people still say this

like 2 years ago sure

[jolly chasm]

Sea storm Chiron goes hard

[analog mauve]

where do people say this

[jolly chasm]

Reddit

[analog mauve]

time to be vocal on reddit

[gusty grove]

Why, did it change?

[dull viper]

uhhh yeah players became better at the game

[jolly chasm]

The better you get at the game, the worse Chiron gets

Because you can actually play other weapons lmao

[analog mauve]

no at some point it starts getting even better

and you start attempting 62 heat with it'

[jolly chasm]

Tim moment

[gusty grove]

So Hera is the best

[jolly chasm]

For speed

Rama is best for Heat

[gusty grove]

Rama? I don’t see that

[dull viper]

hidden aspect

[gusty grove]

How do I unlock that

[jolly chasm]

Check pins in https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828

[dull viper]

#h1-story-discussion message

[gusty grove]

Won with the bow yay

Next is gauntlets

Which aspect is the best for that

[dull viper]

demeter

zeus or dio on attack, any % boosting god on special

[finite dome]

speedrunner guide to the fists, specifically Merciful End: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit?tab=t.0

[ripe flax]

Is the ||aspect of guan yu|| good?

I mean 3 titan bloods for a aspect has to be good, right?

[lucid oar]

It can be strong, but the health penalty is punishing at lvl1

[dull viper]

it's very level dependant unfortunately

but at max level it's one of the strongest aspects in the game

[proper furnace]

Technically it already has all the dmg from lvl 1 🤓

[ripe flax]

Ok so which hidden aspect should i unlock?

[dull viper]

whichever one you like

if you mean which ones are the strongest, then get bow and shield. they're very good

[plain river]

It was never Chiron

[gusty grove]

What’s a good aspect of Demeter build

[dull viper]

i just told you

[dull viper]

@gusty grove

[gusty grove]

But that’s just the attack

[dull viper]

(any % boosting god on special)

[plain river]

If you want more structured builds

Zeus and dio strike both pair best with aphrodite special

If it’s zeus strike, you take aphrodite special and then either zeus call or dionsyus call. You want static discharge first and foremost from zeus, and your poms should be going on it

Breaching cross and long knuckle are the best hammers you can aim for

Dio strike would want aphrodite special, and then a ton of poms on itself. You can still use zeus call on this with static discharge for more damage

mmm

Your hermes are the same as practically every other weapon/build

Greatest reflex from hermes for more dashes, or Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery for damage reduction and a global damage boost

[gusty grove]

Oh okayy

Kl

[plain river]

Otherwise you can run Merciful End, where you would be aiming from Ares Strike, Athena Special, and Athena dash + their duo Merciful End, and then impending doom from Ares

Poms on strike and impending doom

[gusty grove]

So a run with dio attack would have aphrod special and max pom it

[plain river]

Way less consistent, but also signficantly stronger when you hit

[plain river]

Yeah

You’d be looking for their duo, low Tolerance to get extra hangover stacks

After that you can pick up some other gods based on who you find, like Tidal Dash from poseidon is always good damage (especially with 2 poms on it), and opens sweet nectar for more value for your poms

Or ares curse of vengeance opens curse of Nausea for more damage from your hangover stacks

[gusty grove]

Hm okay

What about hammers

[plain river]

^

[gusty grove]

Oh okay

Isn’t heavy knuckle good too?

[plain river]

No

It shoots you in the foot

both the zeus and dionysus builds rely on the fists attack speed

And it’s demeter so you want to be hitting those gigacutters more often

But heavy knuckle really slows down how often you attack

which is bad for all of the builds I’ve mentioned in the last 4 minutes or so

albeit most of the time you should be dash striking so it shouldn’t matter as much but

[gusty grove]

Okay because I just got that as an option but chose for the +2 healing per kill instead

Wait if I have 4 Gods in my Hod pool

And let’s say Aphrodite wasn’t there

But then I equip her keepsake

Does she show up

[plain river]

Yep

Not an ideal situation to be in at all

[gusty grove]

Does God pool means the Gods that equip the places of your abilities, or is it just the first 4 Gods you encounter no matter what goon you get

[plain river]

The first 4 gods you take boons from.

[dull viper]

(excluding hermes)

[plain river]

Hermes and Chaos both work differently

So they don’t count

[gusty grove]

Ohhh that explains a lot then

Pretty annoying cus I can’t control the 3 other Gods at first

[plain river]

Well

You can always choose which rooms you go down at a fork

[gusty grove]

That is true but I only had 1 room available and it was for ares

[plain river]

It happens

[gusty grove]

But for my build I only need 3 I think so it’s fine

[plain river]

But you usually do have a choice

and just have to deal with anyone you get stuck with

Having Erebus gates and chaos gates unlocked also helps you avoid getting forced into gods

Even if they’re less common

Every so often you can dodge like a demeter boon early on by taking chaos or a random erebus

[gusty grove]

Yeah true she’s annoying ng

Anyone important I should set on cast?

Or is Dionysus cast well enough

[plain river]

Honestly at that point it’s just whoever opens the least duos

The cast doesn’t really matter

Really the only time you take a specific cast is for castpect builds

[gusty grove]

Ah okay okay

I’m gonna fight hades now with this build

[vital night]

Heavy knuckle is ok with talos because of the attack buff

And most damage comes from jolted anyways

[vital night]

With Zeus attack you can get scintillating feast

I guess with Dio you could get his legendary

[gusty grove]

Damn it was really easy

Melted him quick

[finite dome]

Yeah last Dem fists run I did, Hades didn't even have a chance to do lasers in phase 2

[gusty grove]

That’s crazy lol

[finite dome]

I mean it was only 3 heat, so like. Not a big deal like the rest of folks on here, but still felt good.

[gusty grove]

Yeah I do only 1-3 heats too

My next weapon is Stygius

Recs?

[finite dome]

I'm a fan of Nemesis but don't have build recs because I've just been running fists recently and don't remember how to build for sword, lol

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-nemesis-blade

[gusty grove]

Nemesis looks like a katana

That’s so cool

[vital night]

Nemesis you can start tdash and pick up basically anything on attack

Look for a good call and good Hermes

[unique siren]

Hunter dash on nem is good too

With double edge

Heart rend is a good focus

[dull viper]

heart rend is THE focus

[vital night]

nah heart rend is just ok

better sell it for tdash poms

[unique siren]

Why would you do tdash and not hunter dash

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash aoe is way better and the damage scales better than hunter dash

[noble breach]

Hello

Question, how does Backstab work on Poseidons cast?

Does the wave clash deals the backstack bonus damage too, if ti hits enemies from behind? even if im facing them

(Parting Shot)

Also, does Parting Shot includes the Bonus damage from Dedalous hammer?

[vital night]

Nem already has a decent amount of single target damage and tidal dash is super safe with the knock back and damage

[analog mauve]

ddash>>

[vital night]

dstrike tho

[analog mauve]

dashstrike is good yes

[unique siren]

Hunter dash numbers tho

[plain river]

The only hammer that boosts backstab damage only applies to sword standing strikes

[noble breach]

i see ty

[plain river]

Unsure on the parting shot front for poseidon because it’s just such an uncommon boon to end up having with flood shoot ngl

[noble breach]

🤔

[lament lantern]

Is hunting blades better with infernal or stygian soul?

[plain river]

Infernal is generally most consistent

Stygian soul is more highroll because you essentially need to find casts from another source for it to work

[lament lantern]

Yeah, makes sense

Thank you

Well it has pivoted to a freezing vortex build because Demeter showed up and then I got the duo in Tartarus lmao

[bronze pelican]

Lmao ok so I’ve beat the final boss multiple times but never with the fists. I’m doing a run with the fists with zero heat and I’m getting my ass beat. How do you use these things

[glossy gust]

Before I thought Athena was the best but she only feels ok

All gods are really good even if you only go for their boons, no synergy with others

Except maybe Demeter and Dionysus, neither have really clicked with me yet

[bronze pelican]

Athena is good for only one thing but that one thing is really good

actually that’s an exaggeration

but I love Divine Dash so much

[primal hatch]

Dionysus is good for light attack and super broken for the one bow that lets you lock on with special

I use him in most of my builds

[bronze pelican]

Dionysus’s DoTs are great with the bow in general

[rigid hollow]

chiron mentioned 🗣️
what's a good bow anyways 🗣️

[glossy gust]

Yeah

I would go full Zeus build but it would still be a tough decision to finish Zeus build with his dash or go for divine dash

Cuz it’s just so good

[bronze pelican]

Someone help I’m getting my ass beat in Elysium

[rigid hollow]

build-wise, go zeus attack and get anything zeus related for the attack/lightning thingies
combat-wise, weave and wander between enemy attacks

jolted is your best friend here

[glossy gust]

Get a dash like zeus. It ignores shields so you don’t have to deal with them constantly blocking you

[dull viper]

use demeter fist, get zeus attack and look for static discharge, put aphro on the special. for hammers, the best ones are breaching cross and long knuckle

the most important thing for playing the fists is to remember that dash attacks don't give you iframes, let go of your attack button before dashing

[glossy gust]

Quick question

How the hell am I meant to use guan yu 😭

The health regain charges up insanely slow

[plain river]

Use the special and dash strike lmao

The life steal should only really be used in between waves to recover easy cheap hp

[glossy gust]

What, are they absolutely broken insane?

[plain river]

And not relied on

The special is like the best part of the aspect ngp

It’s like explosive launcher for regular spears but with better aoe since it pierces and only slightly less base damage

Throw a charged skewer on that and you have a 135 base damage enemy destroyer

[glossy gust]

Ahh

Still probably worse than cursed blade sword

Which is insanely good

But I can kind of see it I guess

[plain river]

Not true

[glossy gust]

Go for a long range build

[plain river]

Guan-Yu is better than running cursed slash on any of the swords

[glossy gust]

I ran cursed sword for the first time yesterday and only used 2 death defiances

[plain river]

Mmm

[glossy gust]

Thoughout the whole run, which is much better than usual

[plain river]

For reference, Guan-Yu is one of the few aspects with a 64 heat completion

Aka every single heat modifier turned on

[glossy gust]

Just think the health penalty isn’t worth it compared to the cursed sword unless the damage up is crazy

[plain river]

Cursed sword has a worse hp penalty?

Cursed Slash is -60% and Guan-Yu is -50% at max

[glossy gust]

You recover 2 hp per strike

[plain river]

You only recover hp on standing strikes so you’re innately shooting yourself in the foot to be able to use it

You can’t really charge up a standing strike the same way you can charge up the spins in between waves

[glossy gust]

Which is much better than charge up a move that heals maybe 4 damage but you have to charge it up and it is a slow moving projectile that goes away quickly

[plain river]

Cursed Slash actively puts you in the most dangerous position you can be in for sword, standing striking, as you deal the least damage and aren’t moving to avoid incoming damage

Where being able to just charge up the spin for cheap life regain in between waves of enemies is lowkey free

And then you can go back to your regular ranged guan-yu play

[glossy gust]

Well it felt insanely easy when I played

So what

Use guan yu with

Zeus?

Stay in corner don’t get near

[plain river]

Everything is viable before like 32 heat

At that point and beyond the differences are pretty apparent

[glossy gust]

I’m a really bad at this game yeah? On 40th run

[plain river]

Well you want someone with a huge +% special

[plain river]

Ok real but what I mean is like

[glossy gust]

I’m going to be taking damage

A fair bit

[plain river]

You can have success with practically whatever yk

[glossy gust]

The hp penalty is not worth it for me I’m barely making it through this run

[plain river]

Then maybe you come back to Guan-Yu later

[glossy gust]

No im a stubborn ahole

Just died

So, I’ll try a Zeus build from afar I guess

[plain river]

I didn’t mean to be condescending, what I wanted to get across is that at this point in the game players really often are able to win with a lot more than you are able to win with at higher difficulties. That doesn’t mean that every option you can win with rn is going to be good later on yk

[plain river]

I’d go aphrodite or athena on special since they have the largest +% specials

Grab chaos’s when possible looking for extra special damage

Charged skewer hammer goes insane

But also invest a bit in your strike to have something to fall back on if enemies end up in your face

The strikes/dash strikes take some time to get used to on gy

[glossy gust]

Oh damn

Guan yu deducts 70% health

I guess it becomes more viable when you level it up huh

[plain river]

Yeah way more

Hence the other reason for coming back to it later when you have the blood for it

[glossy gust]

I’m not that stubborn lol

I’ll come back to it later like you said

[glossy gust]

Nah you’re ok

[plain river]

It’s especially common with like the aspect of Chiron since it has a really low skill floor and that’s about all it has going for it

Which is a prime example because it just falls off

[vital night]

Athena attack if you want a spin build

[gusty grove]

What’s best aspect for gun?

[analog mauve]

eris and hestia both equally good

eris for press hold melt hestia for oneshots

[gusty grove]

Oh okay do you have a build for Hestia?

[analog mauve]

aphro attack athena or artemis dash

try to get chaos attack or dashstrike bonus

[silent ridge]

lucifer, lucifer, I love the aspect of lucifer

but yeah if we're talking META then eris or hestia

but I still personally think Lucifer is better

[analog mauve]

🙄

[silent ridge]

more fun, maybe I should say

cuz both Eris and Hestia kind of force you into a single playstyle, while Lucifer has many options avaible

[plain river]

I was about to say, it’s hard to argue that lucifer is better than the other two mechanically

[silent ridge]

I can't deny that Eris and Hestia deal massive amounts of damage lmao

but with Hestia its reloading every shot and putting everything into your attack, with Eris its waiting for your special to hit you and also putting everything in your attack

while with Lucifer you can already go either full special or full attack

[plain river]

Hestia doesn’t solely focus on strike?

[analog mauve]

yes it does

[plain river]

Your special is right there no?

Like

Isn’t it a 1:2 ratio

[silent ridge]

It's there but

why would you use it on Hestia

[analog mauve]

i mean if u get rocketbomb or hazard u could use the special but otherwise its useles

[plain river]

You do for the optimal dps rotation

[silent ridge]

except for SOME extra damage you already deal a ton

[plain river]

jnless I’m crazy

I was talking in the speedrunning discord the other day for unrelated reasons and it popped up that a certain rarity swift flourish causes your ratio of specials to shots to go from 2:1 to 1:1 oirc

[silent ridge]

I think Haelian once said that if we're talking about what's good to do we should clearly divide it into two categories of regular games and speedrunning and I agree with that a lot

[analog mauve]

heroic

[silent ridge]

so it might be the case for speedrunning

[plain river]

“heroic special speed clockets on hestia makes the rotation 1:1 instead of 1:2 lmao”

[analog mauve]

fr screw speedrunniong

runing

runnign

running

[silent ridge]

but in regular runs I think special on Hestia isn't really worth switching your fingers from the reload button

or taking boons you could as well roll into smth more beneficial for your attack

[plain river]

No you should divide it into 3 categories

[analog mauve]

no if you can get used to it is is actually helpful

i never do it tho

[plain river]

Casual, Heat, Speedrunning

[silent ridge]

yeahhh high heat too

[plain river]

Heat and speedrunning have a lot of overlap tbf

[silent ridge]

I was about to say that

[analog mauve]

and casual as well

[plain river]

Casual is just “whatever the hell you want”

[analog mauve]

high heat and speedrunning is just playing casual, well

[silent ridge]

I mean as a Casual Player I think Beowulf isn't really much fun

I just can't get used to bull dashing that much I almost never use it with other shields

[dull viper]

see the big advantage of kbm is that you don't have to lift your finger off at all

[silent ridge]

hence I think Chaos is the worst aspect of the shield

[plain river]

I mean the type of player you are doesn’t really have much correlation with the weapons you like to use because speedrunners and high heat runners will often just play the aspects they want to play

[dull viper]

i do use special on hestia sometimes because it's just a right click in between all the mayhem

[analog mauve]

it is

[plain river]

Chaos is just the worst shield

[silent ridge]

I mean you could argue that it's the default one

[plain river]

No

Zag is a better aspect than chaos

Zag actively boosts something you’ll end up doing on shield

[gusty grove]

Unfortunately I don’t have that

[silent ridge]

Yeah I see your point

[gusty grove]

Im just trying to do the story with all weapons so I don’t have time to unlock the last ones lol

[plain river]

Eris and Hestia are mechanically your best options for rail btw

[silent ridge]

ohhhh yeah Eris then

Hestia is fine too if you wanna reload every shot

[gusty grove]

Do u have a one shot build for hestia

[plain river]

I do but the real question is do I wanna dig it up or type it all out again hmm

Or should I just grab a hestia guide that probably exists if memory serves

[analog mauve]

i told you

[gusty grove]

Oh I didn’t see it

[silent ridge]

Safest bet is probably Aphrodite's attack

[plain river]

This is literally right here

[analog mauve]

.

[silent ridge]

the rest is kinda up to you

[analog mauve]

yeah hestia is lean

[gusty grove]

Any hammers?

[silent ridge]

I'd argue that you could also take Artemis' attack for some chunky crits

[dull viper]

ricochet or explosive shot

ricochet tends to better

[silent ridge]

Ricochet fire and piercing fire I'd say

[analog mauve]

yes

[silent ridge]

oh nvm I forgot about explosive

[dull viper]

piercing is good

[analog mauve]

are you on kbm btw @gusty grove

[gusty grove]

Yea

[dull viper]

basically anything that lets you deal damage to more than 1 enemy per shot

[silent ridge]

it is but aoe has more potential imo

[analog mauve]

in that case turn off aim at cursor for rail

[dull viper]

huh?

😨

why would you do that

[silent ridge]

what does kbm stand for?

[analog mauve]

keyboard mouse

[plain river]

Key board and mouse

[silent ridge]

ooohh

makes sense

[analog mauve]

it autoaims if u turn it off

[gusty grove]

Ohh wow that’s much easier

[analog mauve]

fr

[dull viper]

hmmm no sorry i prefer to miss 1/10 shots but shoot AT THE ENEMIES myself 👍

[analog mauve]

nice edit

[silent ridge]

true haha

[dull viper]

thanks 🙏

[silent ridge]

never had it off

[analog mauve]

aim at cursor with rail feels unplayable

if turning it off didnt exist id never play it

[silent ridge]

Idk I've never really felt that way

[dull viper]

I've never turned it off

[analog mauve]

idk

[dull viper]

and I'm pretty good with the gun

[silent ridge]

tho I think Lucifer would be unplayable with it off

special-oriented Lucifer I mean

[dull viper]

you just need good tracking and flicks

[plain river]

I’ve never turned off autoaim on any weapon and I’ve had great success

I’m also on controller

[silent ridge]

or to just point your cursor at the ball

[dull viper]

i may have quit multiplayer fps and detest it now but those 1.4k hours in rainbow six and 0.6k hours in apex did give me sick aiming skills

hestia is like a point and click adventure for me

[analog mauve]

i want to reinstall hades now

[plain river]

Reinstall Hadeez n-

[gusty grove]

Don’t

[analog mauve]

whynot

[plain river]

There’s no good reason not to

Do it

[dull viper]

the addiction consumes

[analog mauve]

naur

i will continue deadcells

[dull viper]

deadcells? more like dead game 😂 😂 😂 😂 💯 🔥 🅱️

[plain river]

Deadcells? You know who else dies? Zagreus

[analog mauve]

its too hard for me tho i suck at it

[plain river]

Hmm have you considered getting the bow tweaks mod

[analog mauve]

for whart

[dull viper]

it's free on game catalogue so I've been thinking of giving it a try

[analog mauve]

hades

[dull viper]

the plat seems kinda challenging

needs a 4 boss cell run and a cursed sword run

how harder is it than 32 heat? 🗿

[analog mauve]

idk

[plain river]

Yup

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1206129763610271774/image.png?ex=67e6ef20&is=67e59da0&hm=deba72abf6936213548954532daf247ae1f521660121f51a245a720e03a1e2a6&

[silent ridge]

Dead Cells is lowkey one of the hardest rogue likes imo

at least one's I've played

[analog mauve]

ok so im not just really bad

[plain river]

Dead Cells hard

[analog mauve]

i only have 3 clears 65 hours in

[dull viper]

bow is consistently the worst weap- EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[plain river]

RIGHT

I saw the mod and immediately went “Oh I know who’ll have a field day”

[jolly chasm]

Have you played with it?

What does it do

[plain river]

Nope but it listed it’s contents

It did a lot iirc

I think it baked in a crit chance, widened the perfect shot window, and gave it free additive

But let me double check

[analog mauve]

easy 64 ong

[dull viper]

rama 🤑

[silent ridge]

Like a lot of rogue likes offer increased difficulty when you beat the game for the first time

[dull viper]

rama with baked in crit chance 🤑

[silent ridge]

but Dead Cells really ramps up the difficulty

not even mentioning that in most games its just an additional challenge

[plain river]

Charged shot :
Perfect shot window increased from 0.15s to 0.25s
Perfect shot range is infinite
Perfect shot damage increased from +20% to +100% (60 > 100)
Perfect shot velocity increased from +30% to +80%

[silent ridge]

while in DC its a mechanic to actually beat the game

[dull viper]

the absolute hardest roguelike I've ever played is noita

never even made it to the final boss in a run

[analog mauve]

I heard of it

[dull viper]

the wand making system in that game needs a whole college course to understand

[analog mauve]

Heard it's rly hard soci won't be touching ot

[plain river]

Yeah well its only got 5 cells to become the hardest game ever

It has to ramp up fast

[silent ridge]

Yeaaahhh but it didn't have to be THAT hard yk

[analog mauve]

I'm stuck on 3 😿

[glossy gust]

true

https://tenor.com/view/noita-explosion-electricity-boom-wand-gif-19437628

but when the stars align and you manage to create a truly great wand

its incredible

[dull viper]

finnish arson simulator 🔥

[ashen aspen]

Hey quick question, I know it's lame but which core boons should I look for using Hades' spear ?

[vital night]

You can do Artemis attack and tidal dash

Or do merciful end with ares on attack and Athena on special and dash

[ashen aspen]

Tysm i'll definitely try !

[vital night]

Serrated point is the best hammer for Artemis or Zeus attack

Massive spin is probably best for merciful end

[plain river]

If you’re looking for something with a bit less structure you can just stack as much damage as you can on special and hit explosive launcher and charged skewer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1007197347803058216/IMG_2054.jpg?ex=67e7a920&is=67e657a0&hm=a0725332327819c2ade8946d95a4007d79f092ab3624d3642c0a92466cc37670&

Something like this but use aphrodite or artemis special instead of Shackle

[vital night]

i honestly forgot that was a thing on hades

[plain river]

Gosh I just got the awakening phrase for Luci in chamber 1 and it’s already been a full minute and these numbskulls still haven’t taken me down

This is what I get for not running HL5 with SD

01:29.30 at time of death

[dull viper]

this is exactly why the modpack has a quick reset option 😂

[plain river]

I just got the craziest lucifer start

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1355267518729814219/image.png?ex=67e84ebc&is=67e6fd3c&hm=4735fc54e35f408d80b045a1868056d4046c2e7eebe32e3ce1c6b64b465a35d8&

zeus offered for c3

[dull viper]

sea storm time

[plain river]

this is really sad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1355269982405263542/image.png?ex=67e85107&is=67e6ff87&hm=9b9ca710b2138f163f87cd2e34a553c7180e57ab548d520ba7212ad2393d5c76&

[plain river]

Ok I think with a level 5 luci I can definitely crack sub13 on super soaker

Level 1 was pretty rough

But double the damage should really help

and also not having the Tony fight might help a teeny bit

[unique siren]

No special boon is crazy

[plain river]

TiL explosive return has a larger damage radius than a default max spear spin lmao

[vital night]

My goat

[bronze pelican]

Lucifer aspect is kinda annoying with auto aim
Or is it just me

[manic notch]

not sure i've ever posted the link here but just so its easily findable / accessible:

Gilgamesh Tech Playlist by CherryDad (me)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLADg6U0tUZq6db6bZgNBOSYehKl1aK9aU&si=t3bn0TaWJW13ziB2

Things to note:

• General philosophy is to kill things before they can kill you, your hits are big.
• Standing strike is very powerful, you can aim the arc well with KBM and aim at cursor to get an almost 360-degree circle around Zag. It comes out faster than you think and you can simply dash out of it, or cancel it with a standing special.
• Maim is a global damage debuff, the 25% or 50% with Rending Claws is pretty much always always worth it.
• maim lasts through bubble phasing of bosses so it can an be useful for Meg/Alecto, Theseus/Asterius if you know bubble timings. Not useful for Tis, Lernie, or Hades.
• Maim boosts summon damage ! You make better use of Meg than any other aspect, learn maim tech for summons against bosses !
• Use Ruthless Reflex, traps and Inferno-Bomb are very good for triggering it, but its a passive 50% global you'll get a lot.
• Several ways of reading enemy patterns to reactively trigger RR, especially useful in Tart.

[fiery temple]

Hi! trying to platinum hades on ps5. Struggling with thorn of thanatos (getting pierced butterfly to 30% bonus damage). What weapon would be best to use? Any build ideas?

[dull viper]

hestia should work fine
look for aphrodite attack and pom it a lot, make sure to run tight deadline 1 to avoid survival rooms

for hammers, look for ricochet, explosive or piercing in that order of priority

[fiery temple]

Awesome thanks! I will try this!Didn't think about the tight deadline. That's a good shout!

[unique siren]

Is this a PlayStation exclusive achievement

[fervent gorge]

no

its on steam

[unique siren]

Oh

I personally just do the in game stuff

Steam achievements kinda suck

[fervent gorge]

you get most of them just playing the game

the arguable exceptions are uh
20% plume, 30% butterfly, beating than by 15 kills, using a greater call against the callee, 9 well of charon in a run, purging a legendary boon, max ranking every keepsake

30% butterfly is all i have left as well

[plain river]

Besting than by 15 kills and purging a legendary boon are both things I’ve done and I didn’t even know they had achievements until today

[fervent gorge]

yeah thats why i said arguable, i did all of these normally except 30% butterfly, 9 well of charon, and purging a legendary boon
but i could imagine a player who doesn't bother with any of these

[unique siren]

Max ranking every keepsake is just a general thing for 100%ing games

Like I don’t think there is a steam achievement for getting the final rank but imo that’s part of getting 100%

The plume and butterfly one feel a little random

[fervent gorge]

i get the impression they wanted it all to be reasonable to accomplish without an insane grind

they didnt even include skelly's third statue even though the first and second are achievements

[unique siren]

Third statue not being an achievement is so weird

[fervent gorge]

notably, max ranking every keepsake is the least common achievement on steam

[unique siren]

Time consuming achievements are often the rarest

[fervent gorge]

yeah

but i at least accomplished that before statue 3 so im imagining thats their threshold for a reasonable amount of time put into the game

[unique siren]

The keepsake one I didn’t do for a while since I had it on switch and I also just hated some keepsake

S

[plain river]

Iirc it was thought to be too hard so they decided not to

Back in 2020 days

[wicked burrow]

do boons have hidden effects?

istg sometimes I pick up a boon that has nothing to do w/ damage and my damage goes up

[proper furnace]

No

The only thing I can think of is you are using priv status/family favorite skills of the mirror

[vital night]

Do you have an example

Also family favorites is probably the culprit here

[fiery kraken]

Is there a wiki/resource I can browse online that shows all boons/upgrades with actual stats? The fandom wiki doesn't have most of the information about each boon

[proper furnace]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ ?

[fiery kraken]

Amazing thank you

[proper furnace]

Is pinned here too

[bronze pelican]

Does Aphrodite’s greater call bypass shields

[still vortex]

what shields, the shield champions?

I can confidently say it doesn't bypass the boss phase shields

[bronze pelican]

Yeah those guys or Theseus

[still vortex]

Aphro's? Hmm... maybe. I'm actually pretty sure Artemis's call goes through thesus' shield

[plain river]

Artemis Call goes thru every shield

That’s just how Artemis boons work

Support fire and her cast will as well iirc

I can’t say for aphrodites because I never use her call if I can take a dps call instead

[cedar radish]

i think aphrodites does because whenever i use it against thesus it always works. Or i’m just coincidentally always hitting him from the back everytime lol

[bronze pelican]

I always take Artemis’ call only because it makes killing the other guy so much faster

[cerulean fractal]

Whoops wrong channel

[faint socket]

What is the best apsect for fists at early game?

[dull viper]

zag fist

demeter is the best but it needs a lot of titan blood to be good so not good for early game

[finite dome]

Demeter fists, my beloved

[bronze pelican]

“The Flash” build with Zeus/Hermes boons and the Fists. Has anyone done this lol

[plain river]

100% because zeus is just one of the best options for fists (since he’s flat damage and fists has a fast attack speed) and since hermes works differently to other gods you’re pretty much guaranteed to find his boons in every run

[lethal nacelle]

I've never tried the gold zag Hammer till now. Its good

[dull viper]

you mean sword hammer?

not really, with all the gold you're supposed to save to get value from it, you can buy a lot of boons and other utility

[fervent gorge]

It's fun though

[lethal nacelle]

I mean yeah, but. I don't care cause my boons I got were bad and it gave big damage

[proper furnace]

The dmg is also meh

The bonus is added at the end of the dmg calculation

[mossy gate]

whats the best Aspect for Shield

[vital night]

Zeus or Beowulf

[mossy gate]

thanks

[bronze pelican]

Holy hell Aspect of Poseidon + Artemis’ Exit Wounds is insane

[plain river]

For most casts you should be killing enemies before you can make any use of it

[bronze pelican]

for bosses though

[bronze pelican]

this melted final boss btw

[bronze pelican]

is it just me or is doing a correct power shot kinda hard

or am I dumb

[vital night]

it's not supposed to be that hard. once you get the rhythm it should be straightforward

[plain river]

If you take maybe 3-5 minutes in the courtyard you should start getting it consistently

[bronze pelican]

I have a very hard time telling when it’s flashing

I try it on Skelly repeatedly

[analog mauve]

ideally you dont look for the flash, timing becomes muscle memory

[manic notch]

https://youtu.be/ijeKKwF4d4w?si=gk3tOq_YWW-WQLgg

not every day i get a clean maim loop like this, its very fun to pull one off

[rustic tiger]

I feel a little bit jealous.
My cousin beated Redacted on his 5th attempt (before flashback, he met Persephone)
The idiot and the bull he defeated on 1st try.

[finite dome]

is your cousin @near bluff

[rustic tiger]

Well, he's playing in lol a lot.

[lilac forge]

Do attack speed increases affect dash strike?

[proper furnace]

no

[cedar radish]

no if u want that though best to get hermes boons usually

[red niche]

How do I make the Beowulf aspect work well? I see a lot of people getting sub 15 on them and I can barely get sub 20.

[vital night]

Beowulf can sub 6 pretty consistently for speed runners

The usual build is flood flare start with Artemis attack to open up mirage shot

Look for good Hermes and any cast boosting stuff from well

Charged shot is the best hammer

[red niche]

Is that the one that shoots a projectile or is it the stronger throw on special

Also I heard that the Dionysus cast is stronger no? Poms affect it different or something

[plain river]

Charge shot makes your bull rush into a projectile

[proper furnace]

At the cost of an rng feast

[plain river]

Trippy Flare does have the pom bug where it gets 2* the bonuses from poms

[red niche]

Neat never got that in a Beowulf run

[red niche]

Fair enough

[proper furnace]

You need to use stygian soul cuz the casts stay on the ground

Which means praying even more to chaos for at least +1 cast

[red niche]

I do use that

[proper furnace]

Then find arty or Poseidon in Tartarus (ideally both) so mirage is unlocked

Dio also means worse mirage odds from pos due to exclusive access

[plain river]

It’s rather nice because it charges faster than the regular bull rush and it has a constant 80 base damage compared to the scaling of the regular bull rush

So no matter where you release you get the full 80

[red niche]

Wouldn’t exclusive access give me a better shot at getting arties legendary tho

[red niche]

I will ensure I get it next time then

[proper furnace]

No

[red niche]

Oh

[proper furnace]

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Refer to the funny rant about it from the pinned site

[proper furnace]

Also going for her legendary on beo is worse than other aspects

Cuz you can't get exit wounds

[plain river]

Stutter step?

[proper furnace]

Pls remove the msg

[distant pike]

i have max aspect of demeter and if i put zeus on special it only shows the dmg of one thunder strike thing is that a visual thing and its actually doing multiple lightning strikes or is it just capped to one for demeter even though its technically hitting 7 times

[tight basin]

Lightning and thunder from Zeus have an internal cooldown lmao

Thunder flourish is 0.2 sec, so the charged special hits too fast for it to proc more times

[distant pike]

dang

boring

[vagrant crane]

bananas you still kicking in here

damn

[prime fossil]

When something is being referred to as dad call. What does it mean. I am looking at a guide that has that

[jolly chasm]

It’s dad’s keepsake

[proper furnace]

(post credits keepsake btw)

[prime fossil]

How do I get it?

[proper furnace]

If you have done the credits already just talk to dad till he allows you to gift a 2nd nectar

If not, credits is after 10 escapes

[prime fossil]

The last keepsake I got was the Pom one after the credits

[proper furnace]

Then talk with dad some more (or check if you can already gift him a 2nd nectar)