h1-builds-and-combat

[full valley]

nice

flood flare on beo is actually one of the better options if not the best option

try and get artemis next time too, and fill up cores so long as they do not interfere with mirage shot odds

[wheat tiger]

AHHHHH
My only regret now aside from taking curse of drowning
Was not taking second wave
I could've taken it if I hadn't taken rush delivery but eh, both work out good

[wheat tiger]

Ooooohhhh
Forgot that was a thing that worked

[full valley]

its so so so busted

[wheat tiger]

No yeah I can imagine

She can live on the special

[full valley]

strike usually

[wheat tiger]

Why?

[full valley]

good damage

and dont use special on beo

[wheat tiger]

Well yeah crits

[wheat tiger]

Yeah that's why she can live on the special
It's not too disruptive

[full valley]

deal

because edward has such a massive catalogue of beo runs you can search his history in #h1-victory-boasting to get an idea of what you are looking for

sometimes cores are just left open because they are not needed but it does increase mirage shot odds if you do fill them

[vital night]

Arty is literally huge crit damage on attack with the 100% additive

But meta dictates that one should not roll off special if it’s offered because you want to save all rolls for mirage shot

So yeah, always get mirage

[wheat tiger]

Fully loaded is another thing to aim for no?

[full valley]

yeah you can go for it

just dont skip out on better options if you're hunting for fully loaded prerequisites

[wheat tiger]

Though commenting on curse of drowning
On Boeaouxwulf shield it's awful
Gross
Ew

However

I can imagine it being fun on other shields
Probably only Zag's

And particular with the hammer upgrade that makes charges faster

Put all the stones on, charge, dash, dash strike, charge, repeat

And you perpetually put whatever it is you're attacking on a blender

If it doesn't move much that is

Pair that with Ares' dash and you have a double blender

[silk hatch]

Regarding the Rarity upgrade boon every 3 rooms. Is it only the ones you have on already or does it apply to future pickups?

[plain river]

Flood flare is just really solid even without mirage shot

[plain river]

When you take rare crop, it chooses it’s targets from the ones you have at that moment

and never chooses anymore than that

You could find an epic rare crop with only one boon and it’d only end up effecting that one boon

[silk hatch]

That was do disappointing! But a cool bonus nonetheless

[wet vector]

(tempest strike is awful)

[lethal depot]

whats better gods legacy or pride why would u pick better % chance for epic when u can go for duo/leg

[proper furnace]

Pride is better

Mainly cuz hermes

Duos are good in general but 1 or 2 w/o pride doesn't take too long

Nor hard if you know what you are doikg

[jolly chasm]

Ngl most Duos are kinda mid

[lethal depot]

whats the best bow aspect?

[jolly chasm]

Hera

Rama is better for high heat tho

[lethal depot]

not chiron?

[full valley]

not chiron

[lethal depot]

hera doesnt sound good

u can js fire it normally while chiron all ur extra shots hit

no?

[full valley]

crush shot doesnt have any range

[proper furnace]

You also don't have to deal with the animation of zag throwing his casts

Chiron takes too long in a game like this to do its dmg

[lethal depot]

alr ty

[proper furnace]

And it lacks AoE

[potent tree]

And the damage isn't great

[plain river]

Chiron is the 4th best bow aspect by a mile due to the lack of speed, mediocre damage, lack of any aoe

[potent tree]

Chiron is such a trap for new players

[plain river]

Hera is so good because you immediately get your cast damage with your attacks, . Bow Strike is a sizeable amount of damage on it’s own (far more than chiron outside of one very niche scenario), and you’re adding massive casts to it without any of the time it would normally take to cast them

& you won’t be sitting around in one place

[potent tree]

Hera is like a slingshot for grenades

[plain river]

It’s like a bow but you can equip explosive arrows

[potent tree]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-rambo-flecha-explocion-gif-18851738

[silk hatch]

Doing my first rama run right now, it seems like it's one of those strategic weapons, actually quite like it. Starting out with some lighting boons to bonus it. But lacking any Daedalus bonuses to make it useful yet

[outer comet]

What should I spend my titan blood on. Just got the 15 from the prophecy

[mossy geode]

Tried my first 32heat, I really need to practice EM3 I got my ass kicked

[primal brook]

Personally suggest whatever weapon you have the most fun with. You'll get them all unlocked eventually

[hushed quiver]

What's a good build for the spear?

[wheat tiger]

Say what's a good special on Rama?
It's an aspect that's been fun and I tried to take Ares' because it seemed sound
Get hits on plenty of enemies, the doom effect takes care of the ones I'm not directly attacking and the doom also spreads through shared suffering
It worked out aside from that last bit, where I was entirely wrong
Where I also took Aphrodite on the attack to try and fish for curse of longing, which in theory could make it so that doom just kept going and everything would end up super dead
Again it worked out fine, I think Aphrodite was the best choice of attack regardless because of the large percentages
But anyway
What would be a good special?

[vital night]

Ares, dio, Zeus

[wheat tiger]

Oh so I wasn't all that wrong with my first choice then

[vital night]

Yeah, doom doesn’t spread with shared suffering though

Only attack damage does

Oh I just read your message more closely, my mistake lol

[indigo ember]

Help to get through EM3? pls :(

[primal brook]

Aspect of zeus is good for em3, can just block basically everything while the special kills them (focus on killing bull first)

[indigo ember]

I ended up beating them first time with zeus attack on demeter fist

[indigo ember]

Thanks for the advice :D

[plain river]

Is this just regular spear or do you have aspects

[mossy geode]

What’s the best “lodge” cast ? I see a lot on guides “any lodge cast”

Athena is my guess but idk

Zeus and Arte usually I have other things I want

Poseidon and aphro can be weird to use

[full valley]

poseidon i think

why do you want a "lodged" cast build?

[mossy geode]

for the mirror buff

if cast isn't really important

I want a cast that lodges for the mirror buff

like on Nemesis Sword or Demeter fist (I go no cast many times but just wanted to know the ranking if I take one)

[vital night]

honestly base cast is probably the best for lodging

[mossy geode]

yeah ok

[vital night]

poseidon has knock away which might not be desirable

base cast is just very predictable so i like it the best

[mossy geode]

yeah usually I try to avoid Poseidon and Aphrodite

[mossy geode]

true and doesn't cost a boon

[hushed quiver]

For achilles and guan yu

I hear for achilles, its stacking cast for the bonus damage from special

getting ares-art cast duo

[plain river]

Achilles meta is to start with poseidon for tidal dash, and then go either for hunting blades from ares and artemis or lightning phalanx from athena and zeus

[hushed quiver]

Interesting

What about for Guan Yu?

I have just unlocked it so I want to try something new

[plain river]

Typically special focused builds work better

So like

The charged skewer hammer

you can throw aphrodite on there cuz she’s the biggest special +%

otherwise you can do things like merciful end with the main focus on the special

[jolly chasm]

Athena start for ME is kinda fun on Guan Yu

[mossy geode]

How does Curse of Longing and ME work together?

[hushed quiver]

Ok this is noted

[plain river]

They don’t

[wheat tiger]

Artemis cast?
It's the only one that's really like a direct upgrade on the default cast IMO, it's just a bit of extra damage plus the crits and the homing
Not the most damaging perhaps but the most straightforward besides the default

[mossy geode]

thanks for the answer.
I haven't tried it much since I usually have so many other things I want from Artemis ^^

[dark oracle]

posiedon has the best % scaling and also the potential for mirage shot

[dark oracle]

I didnt include aphro on this, becuase her cast is a unique case

[indigo ember]

In which scenario is Sisyphus keepsake useful?

[proper furnace]

often at high heat where AP is in play and getting a good attack is annoying

so you just slap on shackle, ideally hoping the game gives you a good attack later so you can free up the keepsake

[clever mason]

Try guan Yu, just be aware that the reduction in health and healing is brutal at low titan blood. Once you put some blood into it, it is much more manageable.

[mossy geode]

on the achilles guide (on speedrun) at the beginning is says "This guide is written with the assumption that you will get Flurry Jab as your first hammer. It does not touch on other builds like Serrated Point start."
What would be a good Serrated Point start build?

[vital night]

same stuff probably

[mossy geode]

yeah that's my guess but the wording on the guide made me think it might have a different/specific build

[vital night]

yeah, some of the mechanics might change but achilles kinda plays the same

if you want a serrated build, i would recommend hades spear instead potentially

[tight basin]

my guess is that with serrated point, it'd be less ideal to get zeus attack comparatively

so lightning phalanx becomes sorta less good bc the zeus core doesn't exactly have a good slot to be in

[vital night]

call still nice

but HB reigns supreme i think

[tight basin]

oh yeah i forgot about call lmao

[clever mason]

Does the lightning rod trigger when greater recall is yoinking the blood stone back to you?

[wheat tiger]

Complete insanity, just utter derangement build
Merciful end build with the sword or fists, but, Ares on the special instead of the attack
So with the Athena attack you get the duo and then sell it
And then on the attack you get Aphrodite, and then try to get curse of longing

You hit with special once, keep it going with curse of longing on the attack and then with divine dash you do the merciful end thing

So you have a damage increase on the attack, probably access to sweet surrender too
And the fun thing if merciful end which is just constantly dash striking the target

[vital night]

Doom on attack is still better tbh

[wheat tiger]

Yeah hence why it's a deranged idea
It's not meant to be good, you're at the complete mercy of the RNG

But it sounds fun

[vital night]

Yeah ngl I’ve never really used curse of longing

[wheat tiger]

Kinda redundant if you have Ares on the attack
You're already re-applying doom, no need to have it go on on its own

[wheat tiger]

But if you have Ares on a move that you're using less often...

I mean it's still not that good because you can just.. hit your special again and you apply doom again

But it sounds fun

[tight basin]

doesn't merciful end drop the doom immediately, so curse of longing doesn't drop constantly

the doom only drops once

and also the doom damage is reduced so it's not really "more damage"

[wheat tiger]

But curse of longing would keep the doom going wouldn't it?
That's like the whole point

[tight basin]

and the whole point of ME is to drop the doom immediately

i'm pretty sure others have used it before and it didn't really do anything bc ME just procs the full doom damage and it's done

and also assuming it did work the way you think it does

if you're constantly dash striking the enemy, you'd rather just have a normal ME build because 1) it's just easier to get and 2) if you're constantly dash striking, you might as well do it with full doom damage than reduced doom damage

[wheat tiger]

Again it's not meant to be good
Just needing to get two duo boons to get it to work at all is a tall order

[clever mason]

I get what you’re trying to do, you’re trying to make a cold fusion version but with doom?

[wheat tiger]

And cold fusion is not good either
This is just for the fun of it because it sounds dumb and also fun

[clever mason]

Yeah dumb fun is cool, but I wonder which doom value stays around (the doom you hit with or the consecutive-50% doom) . With Dionysus, last hangover takes over, so last doom damage? Or is it buggy and something else happens.

[plain river]

“You do the merciful end thing” - this doesn’t work

Merciful End just drops the doom flat out no more CoL

[plain river]

If you hit with new doom, the newer value overrides the -50%

[plain river]

If you want a real gamer build with ME and a second dui

Run ME like normal but specifically pick up zeus call or zeus cast, and curse of vengeance and then holy shield

and try to get vengeful mood

Then you can have an ME aoe trigger around you whenever you get hit/ every 3 seconds off vengeful mood

the order you take the vengeance boons in does matter though*

It should actually work as opposed to Curse of Longing

[vital night]

Cold fusion is actually kinda good for fast attacking enemies and Theseus

[tight basin]

Well the main point is that the duos don't work together lmao

[mossy geode]

I tried Dionysus attack on NEMESIS with privileged status and I think I got the perfect build on that run
Dio/Ares/Artemis/Aphro on Att/Spe/Cast/Dash, all the duos (curse of Nausea / Low tolerance / Splitting headache) and all the other goodies (double strike hammer, sweet surrender, hunter's mark etc). was much stronger than I expected, Hades HP just melted

[fervent root]

yk… something i feel like is missing from the game is a list of upgrades

like i’m actually surprised it doesn’t exist in-game

all daedalus upgrades ofc, for every weapon

also question: what are the best duos for certain builds and aspects?

[mossy geode]

I think it would be easier to answer if you pick one or two aspects ^^

[fervent root]

yea fair

[fervent root]

yeah nemesis can be super broken

[mossy geode]

yeah I really love it, Nemesis and Achilles are my favorite so far

[fervent root]

honestly same

also i picked up cold embrace once… and it’s ok or good for certain builds

[mossy geode]

for Achilles if you are looking for build ideas, this guide is great:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.pen70diax1jt

[fervent root]

but it kinda made champions take much longer

which… isn’t my goal lol

[fervent root]

ah thanks

[vital night]

This is pinned here

[mossy geode]

on speedrun.com there is a list of speedrunner guides which are all very helpful if you are looking for build inspiration

[vital night]

Cold embrace is probably one of the worst boons in the game

League of legends ahh boon

[fervent root]

yeah it kinda sucks

like why aim the beams at me?

what it should’ve done is apply weak and chill or smth like that

[fervent root]

kinda figured

[fervent root]

dude this website is really clean… wish i found this sooner

thanks for lmk!

[fervent root]

haha true

[vital night]

it's honestly crazy that it doesn't apply chill by default

[vital night]

for sure yeah

[fervent root]

like it’s demeter, why wouldn’t it? that’s bizarre to me

[vital night]

you can also determine hammer incompatibilities by mousing over and there's a function for determining boon upgrade percentages and such

demeter just sucks

[fervent root]

yeah that is incredibly useful

[vital night]

fact of the game unfortunately

[mossy geode]

ah good I thought I was the only one sad everytime I see grandma ingame

[vital night]

nah genuinely ruins my runs

i hate her

[fervent root]

there is times where I thought she can be good… but most of the time, no

[vital night]

snow burst is good

rav will is good

crop is...fine

[mossy geode]

yeah not a fan of the beam and the duos and att/spe aphro is just better and athena just safer

[vital night]

yeah

[fervent root]

i mean there are def few sub boons of hers that aren’t horrible but her core boons are ehh

[vital night]

chill sucks because i have a lot of dodge timing muscle memory that gets messed up

[fervent root]

yea for sure

[mossy geode]

my only time I enjoyed it was with fist, 10 stack of chill was nice to learn the bosses moves

but taht was a one time thing ^^

[fervent root]

yeah demeter on fists aren’t bad at all

but man her cast… wow the dps is significantly reduced

cool i get laser beam but it’s way less damage in comp.

[vital night]

cast and call are very little damage as well yeah

[fervent root]

yeah like the call honestly at first looked appealing but it’s just… ok at best

[vital night]

yeah it's fine

some people like it, but it just can't compare to zeus/dio/athena/pos

[fervent root]

so true

[fervent root]

it’s really only good early but still… it can screw up your build if you aren’t careful

[vital night]

yeah, it can hurt pace early

i would only take if your core/main damage boons are common

but it can often be the least bad option out of 3 on a demeter screen

imagine 1 replace, 1 cast/call/dash, and crop

[fervent root]

yeah true

[vital night]

might as well crop and yolo lol

[fervent root]

exactly

also i love how lucifer has the most specialized upgrades lol

like it has so many compared to just one

[vital night]

yeah, most aspect specific hammers

triple bomb still best though, nothing beats the damage

[fervent root]

also i actually do quite like lucifer, it’s basically just a death laser beam

[fervent root]

fr

[fervent root]

also finally got shady

[fervent root]

alr, i have three options on chamber 19 in asphodel: dio, arti, and charon

which one should i choose?

also core boons are aphro’s atk, zeus’s special, and dio’s dash right now.

and eclipse

alr got low tolerance to pop, should i take it?

[vital night]

Lucifer?

If so your attack and special should be swapped

[fervent root]

zeus aspect

[vital night]

Ah

Dio for call

[fervent root]

ok

[vital night]

Some more advice on Zeus if you’re interested, explosive return is by far the best hammer, Zeus special start is good but you can also use aphro if it’s rare or epic

[fervent root]

for sure, no wonder that’s your display name lol

also i have heroic zeus special

[vital night]

Yeah that’s pretty good

Zeus lacks scaling without static discharge though

So if you get it, Pom it as much as possible

[fervent root]

eurydice’s ambrosia delight is carrying fr fr

also aphro went from rare to epic so it’s really good

[fervent root]

very true

[vital night]

other than that, the ideal build kinda looks like ares/athena on attack, athena on dash, and dio call

[fervent root]

alr, will take note of that!

dude i forgot to change keepsakes in between tartarus & asphodel

i have eternal rose before entry of elysium, which one should i grab?

still no core for call and cast

maybe are’s or athena?

[vital night]

i usually acorn in ely

or hourglass if there are jerkies in the well

[fervent root]

fair

[vital night]

honestly i might start using spearpoint in ely lmao

getting burst down way too much

[fervent root]

champions are def a step up

[vital night]

yeah

acorn is mostly so i can play more recklessly for tight deadline

[fervent root]

yep

[fervent root]

alr beat the run :D

will post the victory soon, thanks btw

[wheat tiger]

What does Hera's bow like on the attack again?

I'm planning to go for Aphrodite on the cast but I have a guaranteed epic attack on chamber 1 and I wanna make the most of it

Just more damage?
Aphrodite

Or crits with Artemis?

That's like the only thing I can think of
And I don't think that the casts apply before the attack so heart rend doesn't sound like it'd work

[wheat tiger]

Well I did something dumb

I took Ares on the special and Athena on the cast to get merciful end

It was probably not the best idea but it worked out?

[severe flame]

I kinda do the opposite, go Artemis cast aphro attack posidon dash and Dionysus call.. get the 3 duo boons if lucky but I'd prioritize the posidon and Artemis duo

struggled a bit with aoe but that's just cuz I'm bad with the bow in general

[proper furnace]

Arty is best yeah

You get access to hunter's mark so that means your casts get a good crit every once in a while too

And you are already hunting for rush delivery anyways so the dmg even on non crits is fine

• triple/twin shot moment

[wheat tiger]

What aspect would you guys recommend for a merciful end build with the sword?
Zagreus or Nemesis?

I'm personally partial to nemesis but there is a point to be made between having the flat damage buff of Zag's between having to use the special constantly for a chance to crit on about a third of your attacks
Specially when the special isn't really the point of the build

[mossy geode]

Nemesis for sure

The difference is felt early game before you have your build ready I think

like, let's say you have att/spe and ME but not the dash, you're happy to be on Nemesis
or you have all but ME, you're happy to be carried by the crits.
sorry I'm biased towards Nemesis maybe ^^

[wheat tiger]

No I fully get the bias

Crits are dummy fun

[mossy geode]

also Nemesis blade looks awesome and this directly affects your build according to studies

[wheat tiger]

Well that run could've gone better
And I'll give you that the Nemesis aspect really helped me
I tried to go for merciful end, got all components except for the duo that actually makes the whole thing work

[vital night]

honestly they're both good

increased move speed is good

[wheat tiger]

Lucky I got a en epic pressure points and and epic hunters mark with no keepsake so it just ended up being a crit build

[wheat tiger]

Funny you should mention that because I also tried really really hard to get hyper sprint and rush delivery but got neither

[tight basin]

increased movement speed from zag sword is only relavent if you get rd unfortunately lmao

[wheat tiger]

I mean the sligh increase feels nice still
Any movement increase does

But yeah no Nemesis aspect all the way

[plain river]

The special is a built in part of swords optimal dps combo

before you even think about Nemesis’s buff

Dash striking twice and then specialing is better dps than whatever else you can pull off most of the time

so it’s not really a huge concern to be like “oh but you have to special”

and zag doesn’t have a flat damage buff?

like

it’s only applicable if you’re standing striking or if you hit Rush Delivery.
In the first case you sacrifice damage to standing strike.

In the second case you’re getting a smaller avg damage bonus than what nemesis gives you around the time you get your second hermes, so you missed out on any aspect bonuses at all for a good chunk of the game only to gamble on the off chance of getting a buff that won’t honestly won’t save you as much time later down on

[fervent root]

need some boon recommendations w/coronacht, specifically hera

[primal brook]

aphrodite cast (crush-shot), snow burst (demeter), artemis (attack,exit-wounds) and quick reload from Hermes (go with infernal soul rather than stygian)

[fervent root]

alr thanks!

btw should i pick concentrated volley or relentless?

[vital night]

probably conc

but flurry into twin/triple is ideal

and then point blank

you don't really want to use the special on hera except to snipe pots and stuff

[fervent root]

cool thanks

also why am I getting hammer as first reward rn?

[proper furnace]

Just happens

[fervent root]

ah ok weird, guessing seeds are part of that

unmodded btw

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Some people like pressing give up if the hammers for the current weapon suck to check others

[fervent root]

fr

i only give up if my run is just kinda horrible

[proper furnace]

Give up keeps the starting seed

[fervent root]

yea that’s the thing, it doesn’t change it, so why bother?

[full valley]

seeding a run, to make sure you keep that run

also it keeps the streak i think?

[fervent root]

it does

[full valley]

i doubt the streak thing though

[fervent root]

well maybe idk

[full valley]

but it keeps the seed so you can "route" it to make it perfect

[proper furnace]

Routing without tools is kinda pain

A lot of stuff mess with the rng

So is hard to keep the same results past the first 3~ chambers

[fervent root]

alr so what’s good for hera cast + attack (is pos’s dash good for bow too, cuz i feel like it’s just good)

i picked up aphrodite’s cast

[vital night]

the speedrunning modpack also has a quick reset button

i've been resetting for hammer recently. much better qol

[fervent root]

that’s cool but i can’t mod currently due to me not having a functional pc

so i just stick to console

cuz that’s what i can play it on right now

[tight basin]

aphro cast is best
the attack doesn't really matter too much, but ideally artemis or aphrodite just bc those have the highest damage basically

pos dash is fine, higher level players typically dont take it on hera bc it messes up with enemy grouping

[fervent root]

yea fair

[tight basin]

but you are free to take it if you dont plan on like speedrunning at a high level with it lol

[fervent root]

that’s kinda the point yea

[vital night]

hera basically takes crush shot and poms it as much as possible. snow burst is good, quick reload or hyperdelivery is good, cast stuff from wells is good

flurry and arty attack is good

usual bow stuff like twin/triple/pointblank is good too but flurry is ideal

[fervent root]

thanks… but i died. whatever i kinda lost DD’s way earlier than i wanted

alr spear time: for achilles. any boon recommendations for this aspect that are potent?

[vital night]

tidal dash start into either artemis or zeus attack

ideal cast is hunting blades

lightning phalanx and ice wine also work

[fervent root]

let’s go: hunting blades are so fun

[vital night]

if you're not worried about speedrunning, you can also start any cast

dem cast is supposed to go hard

[fervent root]

will say, yeah ice wine is good

but others not so much

like cold embrace lol

[fervent root]

depends yeah

[vital night]

yeah cold embrace sucks

always go for the arty duo, and it would only be good on achilles because of the additive. pretty terrible cast otherwise

[fervent root]

yea haven’t tried it yet: but i’ve heard great things about hunting blades

[vital night]

pretty much the strongest cast on achilles

[fervent root]

any hammer suggestions

vicious skewer looks good

[vital night]

always flurry

[mossy geode]

Serrated point without flurry is fine also imo

Need to get use to the small dash but the dmg is fine (probably not for speedrun but ok for a clear for sure)

[wise prism]

What's y'all favorite sword builds that are simple and effective for medium heat like 25?

[oak pagoda]

I've been having a lot of fun with aphro cast + aspect of Poseidon. Buff up with anything for privileged status on special, exit wounds, chaos etc

[vital night]

Athena attack on nem, world splitter on other swords

You can also start tdash and just see where it goes

[night chasm]

Hi

[torn pewter]

First companion acquired

[mossy geode]

@full valley Nem 32 done !

[full valley]

HELL YEAH!

[mossy geode]

I ended up going for the recommended setup

FO 0 HL5 LC4 CF2

With EM3 TD3

Cleared with Nem and Achilles like that

[full valley]

very solid

you have to flex that win screen LOL

[mossy geode]

Actually practicing at FO2 and then doing heat32 at FO0 is what made the trick for me ^^

[full valley]

Really?

[mossy geode]

You’ll see horrible build, I started with ares for ME and got 3 other forced god in Tartarus

No double edge

But I kept going ^^

[tight basin]

yeah that's also a valid strat lol

[full valley]

its the thought that counts anyway, ill peep the build issues 👍

[tight basin]

train your brain to react to faster things and then slow it down on 32 heat lmao

[full valley]

thats genius

[mossy geode]

Yeah when you go from hades FO 2 to 0 you actually don’t get hit at all

So HL5 doesn’t really matter

[full valley]

honestly think you could go higher ngl

heat-wise

even if you're not up for it, might be worth taking a stab at it for the ego boost LOL

[mossy geode]

With Achilles I’ll try

I’m way better with it

Or maybe Achilles is just easier than Nemesis?

[full valley]

I've played too much nemesis, its too blurry

[mossy geode]

I play both equally and I’m just way faster with Achilles

I love both though

[full valley]

I BELIEVE ✊

[mossy geode]

From what heat is it “high heat” (for the high heat channel for example)?

32+ or is it more like 50+?

[full valley]

32+

in the hades speedrunning discord, usually the posts are for 50+ heat

[mossy geode]

Ok

[tight basin]

nem is easier than achilles, but achilles has more potential

at least for like general running and not for heat lol

[mossy geode]

Oh really

[tight basin]

achilles is pretty hammer reliant to actually be good

and higher level achilles play is kinda button mashing

unironically the faster you mash, the faster you go lmao

[mossy geode]

I feel Nemesis was more difficult because it needs more precision on the dash strike

[tight basin]

nem is a lot easier and you're less hammer reliant for it to actually be fine

[mossy geode]

Hum ok

[tight basin]

tbf achilles also needs pretty decent precision too

[mossy geode]

Well anyway I got both to heat32 so I’m happy

[tight basin]

if you're doing like 50+ heat, achilles and nem are both pretty difficult so it's kinda pick your poison lol

[mossy geode]

32 to 40 I guess I add FO2 but what about the last 2 heat?

[tight basin]

ap1 or dc2 or dc1 hs

or js levels

ap1 isn't like the worst thing in the world imo

hs kinda sucks

dc2 is aspect dependent but you could lose a lot of time through it so up to you

js is kinda rng but also up to you

[mossy geode]

Just HL5 FO2 is giving me hydra head smash nightmares

[tight basin]

oh yeah that's a fun time

you could bring tooth into asphodel if you don't really need anything else in your build

[mossy geode]

Yeah probably a good idea

Gonna try to bring the other weapons to 32 first

[glass horizon]

can someone recomend me a build for Aegis(Aspect of Chaos)?

[vital night]

hangover is probably the best on the special but chaos's perk is pretty bad

usually the move is to get charged shot and play it like a bow, either taking athena/aphro on attack or starting with tidal dash and just taking what the game gives you

[glass horizon]

So

im wanting to do a Aspect od Eris run

im not so familiar with the Adamant Rail

[vital night]

zeus on attack, tidal dash, artemis/aphro special

look for static discharge, +dashes, hyperdelivery, cluster bomb, rocket bombb

[glass horizon]

ok, im getting it

as for the aspect of Hestia? Aphro on attack?

[vital night]

yeah

and divine or tidal dash

[glass horizon]

so, my main source of damage will be on the rockets?

[vital night]

late game yeah

but you do a lot of damage with attack and dash too

[glass horizon]

my eris is on level 3, i need more titan blood lol

[vital night]

eris still works pretty well at low levels tbf

still a good damage boost

[glass horizon]

may you have a tip for adquiring more titan blood?

[vital night]

have you beaten the game yet?

[glass horizon]

yes

[vital night]

you can increase heat then

2 titan blood per heat

[glass horizon]

all of my aspects of Zagreus are maxed

[vital night]

oh

eris is really strong so you can just increase heat one by one for more titan blood

[glass horizon]

ok, ill try

thanks for the help

i appreciate

[elfin jasper]

yeah zag aspects are pretty bad

[tight basin]

half the zag aspects are fine lmao

[hushed quiver]

Chaos | cast + 1 OR cast % damage for cast builds

At what % is the plus damage better to choose?

[mossy geode]

I think you take first +1 then % in general

[hushed quiver]

I think I'd take % since it has higher damage output (eg.
100 * (3 + 1 extra) = 400
(100 + 100 *64%) ** 3 = 492

[rigid hollow]

so something from 33% upwards, if it's strictly mathematically speaking

but there are also utility benefits to taking a +1, mainly not having to pick up too often and still being able to do more loads per charge
like how sometimes 2 charges 1-shot a mob, but since you only have 3 you do a 2/1 and end up lacking dmg anyways

[hushed quiver]

Ye I have thought before, all you've said

Ty

[stark berry]

When you're in a run, how do you gauge if you're strong enough to fight Charon?

[full valley]

if you still have 1-2 dds

thats how i gauge it anyways

[indigo ember]

What´s exactly a Cast Build?

[jolly chasm]

A build that centers around casts

[indigo ember]

Ok

[plain river]

You kind of just have to decide it for yourself

Like

At some point I just started taking the bags all the time, but now that I’m playing on 40 heat I flat out never take them because of the time loss

[vital night]

At 62/64 it becomes faster than some ely rooms

And you get money to not be broke

But yeah I don’t do it

[torn pewter]

Yo what would be better, The lucky tooth or Collar

I’ve ran tooth but saw that collar may give more value

[elfin jasper]

well what are you trying to do

I'd say tooth is better

but there are generally better keepsakes

[plain river]

If you’re looking for sheer defense against Hades, Acorn is your best option

but for general use

At low heat I’d probably take collar because 1) it’s slightly less value when you take all your DD’s into consideration, but it also means marginally more healing from most healing sources

at higher heat the play is tooth over collar if you’re using them instead of acorn

[glass horizon]

someone knows a good build for Talos aspect on Malphon?

[jolly chasm]

ME

[glass horizon]

YOU

[jolly chasm]

or zap

[glass horizon]

i dont use talos aspect so often, i'm trying to use all of the aspects

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, ME is Merciful End duo from Ares and Athena, and Zap is just an acronym for Zeus, Arty, Pos. You go for Zeus attack and Jolted with Arty special and Tidal dash and look for ROD from Zeus and Arty

[glass horizon]

Ok, got it, thanks

should i use Ares on Basic attack or Special?

[jolly chasm]

Attack

[glass horizon]

k

[jolly chasm]

Then look for Athena special to get ME, and then go for Divine Dash

[glass horizon]

i just reached the epilogue, so im trying new builds[

[plain river]

ME typically wants it on it basic attack (strike) because if you pick up divine dash you can just dash strike into enemies

and divine dash deflects, causing the doom you just applied to drop

[glass horizon]

I got it

[wheat tiger]

What else would be good on Beowulf shield aside from mirage shot flood flare?
Big crit explosion from Artemis or huge damage with Aphrodite I suppose
But there's not a lot of interesting things to do with those
Lighting rod with Artemis and curse of longing with Aphrodite are the only things I can really think of and neither sounds too good tbh

That aside and speaking of shields
Zeus shield what would be good with it
Suppose that again big damage with the attack with either Artemis or Aphrodite, and stuff that applies continually on the special, Zeus, Dionysus or Ares
And explosive return if I can help it

Anything else besides?

[vital night]

beowuld basically just wants any cast scaling like braids and stones from wells

arty attack is ideal

[wheat tiger]

Oh no I was already doing that

I should've clarified, I thought it was a bit of a given

Artemis wherever to prevent any other duos showing up and also possibly aim for fully loaded on top of all

I meant it, if I were to not go for the usual flood flare mirage shot build, what other cool options would there be

[jolly chasm]

Dio or Aphro cast have their own builds as well

[vital night]

oh yeah dio cast is very fun

[vital night]

zeus shield basically has two main build paths:

it's a very low base damage kit, so explosive return is required for damage. you can start either zeus or aphro special. zeus really needs static discharge to not fall off mid/late game and aphro just needs poms and rarity boost.

from there, both kinda build the same. good boons are ares/zeus/dio/athena on attack, athena/poseidon(kinda sus) on dash, cast doesn't matter, and dio/zeus on call

[mossy geode]

I always thought the A of ZAP was Aphrodite for Smoldering Air down the road ^^

[jolly chasm]

That also works ngl

[mossy geode]

yeah

[reef perch]

Can I tell yall about my very unconvential build

[vital night]

yes

[reef perch]

Okay okay so I use Stygius as my main bc I love the special, and do a bunch to boost the special (That being Divine Flourish, Double Nova, Super Nova, and Blinding Flash.) I upgrade the fart out of divine flourish, so i do like a bunch of damage and double the deflection window and all this broken stuff

[mossy geode]

Divine Flourish on the blade does feel good

[rigid hollow]

dash nova

[reef perch]

Dash Nova is rather annoying to deal with

[vital night]

Yeah double and super are def the best hammers for that build

[mossy geode]

on Achilles, once you have Arty Attack, Ares Cast, Poseidon Dash (start), what do you guys try to add on Special? It seems like everything is opening more duos, making it harder to get Hunting Mirage Blades

[vital night]

special is usually taken for opening certain duos

you can just not take a special if you don't want to open more udos

[mossy geode]

yeah but do we really want to open more duos?

[vital night]

not all boons have to be filled

[mossy geode]

yeah that's what I've been doing lately

[vital night]

nah, if you don't want to you don't have to

[mossy geode]

at least until i get mirage or hunting blade

[vital night]

beowulf will famously avoid opening any other duos until mirage

mirage is just ok on achilles

but yeah

[mossy geode]

yeah I get the point

thanks

I've been trying heat 40 after clearing 32 but damn HL5/FO2 is really brutal

I'm becoming a specialist on doing achilles special TP directly into Lernie's headsmash

I'm sure I'm not the only specialist in that category though :p

[vital night]

many such cases

[cinder bobcat]

Does anyone else feel that without Dionisous's and Hermes's Boons included in the common lineup that the game game can feel pretty redundant and almost repetitive? I unfortunately find myfelf sticking with similar builds because the two of them were so much fun in H1. But now they are kind of... meh... At least In HD1, if you got screwed with godsyou could often roll a goood enough boon from Hermes, Demeter, and/or Dionisous to somewhat guarantee success. Now it feel like, "well I might as well try to finish it out and win with my blessed sharpened caulking gun" Although H2 still a pretty darn good game, I love it. I'm just offering my thoughts to improve everyone's playing experience. I hope you take this into consideration!

[vital night]

Lol

[rigid hollow]

kekw

[mossy geode]

5/6 weapon 32 heat clear !💪

I must admit, after clearing it once the next runs are much smoother!

[clever mason]

Any suggestions for a Chinese new years theme build? It’s gotta be Guan Yu , but what boons?

[vital night]

ares?

[clever mason]

Yeah I was thinking ares, and Hermes’ side hustle. I guess I’ll do an ME build with some dio.

[mossy geode]

for Zag bow, when starting with Tdash, do you guys go flat or % on attack? kind of feels like everything is working

i had a run with Ares triple chain shot, that was sexy

[jolly chasm]

% is generally better

[plain river]

Flat just doesn’t make sense on something like bow

You aren’t attacking fast enough to properly make use of hangover or lightning strike, especially when compared to the pure damage boost off +% strikes

doom’s a bit different but still generally better to just go for +%

[mossy geode]

alright!

yeah doom is the only flat I tried

and it works pretty well so I thought maybe flat was fine in general

[plain river]

bow is too slow and too high base damage to make use of lightning/hangover, but way too fast for doom

[mossy geode]

I see

what about Zag Shield (same idea, start with Tdash)?

[plain river]

Not a big zag shield user tbh, generally you want a +% to boost your charged shot (since you’ll be hunting for it)

[mossy geode]

got it

thanks

[vital night]

can go either way

doom or zeus are both strong on attack

[mossy geode]

oh ok good to know

I have couple bounties left on bow and shield so I'm just trying a bit of everything

thanks for the help

[wheat tiger]

Trippy flare Beowulf proved to be fun
No better build to take on my first EM3, and then win

Really fun, though it really does need a bit more work and luck than the regular flood flare mirage shot build

[fervent root]

alr, best boon recommendations for Chiron. i was gonna go w/ dio on special due to the seeking attack.

[vital night]

aphro attack and ares somewhere else

start duo hunting

but chiron lowkey sucks so you can also just use the attack

[fervent root]

how exactly?

[vital night]

artemis or aphrodite attack

or tidal dash start

[fervent root]

unless it’s a bit limited which i agree with

[vital night]

the special has really low base damage, doesn't trigger multiple zeus bolts, and is really slow to get out

[fervent root]

ahh ok

also it makes it 4 shots at base…

instead of 9

and then goes up from 4

[vital night]

you can upgrade to 8

yeah that's another reason it kinda sucks

either conc or relentless volley would have to be built in for it to be a good aspect

[fervent root]

exactly yeah

[vital night]

bc rn you have to hit both hammers for the aspect to be fun imo

[fervent root]

prob gonna go with hera then, had no clue.

[vital night]

some people really like chiron

[fervent root]

question: is attack usually used more over special or does it depend for the bow?

[vital night]

special is only really used on chiron(special build) and rama

[fervent root]

actually i like the special on rama

more than Chiron tbh

you get a more controlled flurry

[vital night]

yeah it's also useful for the attack

[fervent root]

yea definitely, you get more damage and it chains on enemies passively i believe

[vital night]

yeah

[fervent root]

i got the option of epic slicing shot which would open up hunting blades. really wanted that duo for a while.

any things I should take note of?

then are’s aid along with urge to kill.

DUDE no way, it synergies with the loaded bloodstones: that’s so cool actually. i thought ares wouldn’t work for some reason but now i know.

[vital night]

hunting blades is just good in general

esp with achilles

[fervent root]

fair i kinda figured

yea that’s basically a universally strong pick for any build.

alr have ares on cast and arty on attack, who do you would be the best option now for boons? zeus or pos

[vital night]

still bow?

probably zeus

poseidon only really had tidal dash

[fervent root]

yes

[vital night]

yeah zeus call would be good

divine dash good as usual

[mossy geode]

is there a list of support boons somewhere?

[fervent root]

if not, i’d be happy to make one.

[mossy geode]

Aphrodite Dying Lament / Sweet Surrender
Ares Battle Rage / Urge to Kill / Blood Frenzy / Vengeance
Artemis Pressure Point / Hunter’s Mark / Support Fire
Athena Proud Bearing / Blinding Flash / DD
Demeter Ravenous Will / Snow Burst / Killing Freeze
Dionysus Strong Drink / Premium Vintage
Poseidon Hydraulic Might
Zeus Billowing Strength / Vengeance

I listed those so far

if you can correct it that'd be great

[fervent root]

ofc no worries!

alr sword build.

[mossy geode]

I'm playing mainly Nemesis/Achilles, those are the weapons I had in mind when I made my list

[fervent root]

alr i’m guessing artemis on attack for nemesis is just preferred?

[mossy geode]

I'm looking for a list of secondary boons

not core boons

[fervent root]

then again Artemis is really good for anything.

[mossy geode]

that are just good "in general"

[fervent root]

understandable.

prob will make a doc for it or smth, maybe even a note.

[plain river]

Oh

I gotchu

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[mossy geode]

Sorry I wasn’t clear, I meant a list of secondary “support boons “ like hydraulic might, billowing strength etc

[mossy geode]

Like those @plain river

[plain river]

Like… just a text list of the names?

What purpose would it serve

[mossy geode]

I have a google doc with notes

That I check sometimes while playing

Like good duos, secondary hammers etc

Just some memo stuff

[mossy geode]

Oh I’m not looking for just a list of all the boons names

Just the good secondary boons

I want to learn that’s it ^^

[plain river]

Oh specifically the good ones hmm

right

[mossy geode]

Like is urge to kill good?

[plain river]

Eh

k

[mossy geode]

I started a list but I’m not sure about all of those

[plain river]

I have a class in 10 minutes but as soon as I’m done that I can type one up

[mossy geode]

And maybe I missed some

Thanks a lot

I’m in Japan so almost goingto sleep but I’ll read in the morning

[plain river]

God for God:
(boons are in no particular order unless otherwise stated)

Athena:
Deathless Stand and Last Stand*, Proud Bearing**, Blinding Flash***
* more dd's = good, particularly because you can use these boons to get an extra defiance on SD
**starting off a room with essentially a mini-call is just strong
***this depends on whether or not the weapon you're using will benefit from backstab
Sidenote: Brilliant Riposte isn't particularly good, but Divine Protection (the legendary it opens) is, so I'd consider taking it a bit more often than the rest of her unmentioned boons.

Aphrodite:
Broken Resolve*, Sweet Surrender, Life Affirmation
*this is additive with weaken ie. 30% + 10% = 40%. Notable because every other dr source is multiplicative

Artemis: Hunter's Mark, Pressure Points, Support Fire
Hunter's Mark is really strong because it allows for one crit to turn into a cascading chain of more
Pressure Points is a teeny dps boost on most builds, but when combined with Hunter's Mark is allows builds to trigger the crit chains off any action, rather than always having to start from your one crit source. Support Fire is best on flat damage builds, but also ties in well with HM and PP to cause even more crit chains.

Demeter:
Snow Burst, Rare Crop, Ravenous Will
Snow Burst is incredibly strong on cast based builds, the other two are generally applicable

Dionysus:
Premium Vintage, After Party, Strong Drink, Positive Outlook, Bad Influence (tentatively)

Sidenote: DO not take peer pressure if you're making a hangover specific build or have Dionysus call. Will shoot you in the foot by overriding hangover damage numbers

Ares: Impending Doom, Black metal, Engulfing Vortex, Curse of Vengeance

• Urge to kill, battle rage, and blood frenzy are much more generally applicable

Zeus:
(In particular order), Static Discharge, Everything else (minus clouded judgement, it's kinda nothing)
Double Strike, High Voltage, and Storm Lightning are all good because they open up Splitting Bolt for a zeus build, but individually I'd rate them in the order I listed 'em.
Billowing Strength, Lightning Reflexes and Heaven's Vengeance are all good generic options to throw in a bit more damage.
(Yes, I know, this is almost all the zeus boons, but zeus is kind of like that)

(Back to no particular order)
Poseidon:
Hydraulic Might (weapon dependent), Boiling Point*, (Breaking Wave, Typhoon's Fury, BW > TF)**, Razor Shoals, Rip Current
*You charge call way faster from damage taken than damage dealt, so increasing that amount can be quite strong
**This is mainly for times when you're wall slamming often. Tidal Dash is a really good example, and absolutely sweeps Styx between it's own aoe and the tight walls.

Hermes, in particular order:
(Hyper Sprint & Greatest Reflex), Rush Delivery, Flurry Cast*, Quick Recovery, Greater Evasion, Second Wind, Side Hustle, Greater Haste.
*This is specifically for the castpects that aren't Hera & Beo. Being able to get your casts out sooner means you're far safer & output more damage.

[plain river]

@Alekusu I'd start there

I did throw in my own notes while writing

[clever mason]

I hate boiling point because I need to take damage to get god gauge, but I haven’t tried to make a pest build where i use stubborn defiance, extra dd’s and stubborn roots, etc.

[plain river]

Boiling Points more of just accepting that you are going to slip up at some point tbh

especially during the Hades fight

it's not the first Pos secondary I would take most of the time, but it's something I'd definitely consider given a build

[clever mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgewrench-dodgeball-gif-22028517

[clever mason]

I’m guessing call build based on Zeus or dio.

[plain river]

More of the not-call focused builds

since a call focused zeus build would be building for Smair and Dio call charges itself pretty fast

BP has more use on a build where you aren't charging your calls as fast

although Dio call does need a kick to get started, and in say the Hades fight you can end up losing the tempo due to breakpoints

[mossy geode]

Thank you!!

[vapid kernel]

Any good builds for a first time using aspect of guan Yu?

Note that I do only have it at lvl 1

[vital night]

I would not use it at lvl 1 lol

Builds are either Athena on special into merciful end, aphro/arty on special, or Athena on attack with a spin build

[vapid kernel]

Any good aspect of Achilles builds?

[jolly chasm]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.pen70diax1jt

[mossy geode]

Oh boy I tried Zeus for the first time, I’m even more impressed by the high heat I watch now. So hard to keep track of the flying shield !

I wanted static early so I ended up filling the cores quickly and had ares cast Dio call and Demeter dash, what a mess in Styx tunnels

Couldn’t track that shield ^^

[vital night]

It is harder than it appears yeah

Good news: you can push pretty high and not have good control of the special

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU8IENSxsQ

Also good(?)news: there’s a lot of room to improve in special control and that’s pretty much the only skill you need for Zeus

[primal brook]

^Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, have a whole essay written about roasting your special control : P
But yeah, Zeus shield feels amazing to play mainly because it's easier to learn and improving is a lot of fun.

[vital night]

ye

[mossy geode]

your 62 runs were great to watch! impressive

how does parting shot works exactly?

[primal brook]

~~adds extra global backstab damage and ~~casts when aimed at the back of an enemy will deal backstab damage (for instance, a cast doing 50 damage will do 83 damage if you have 75% backstab damage)
Only affects cast, will show backstabs from other sources but won't give a bonus.

[mossy geode]

Oh global backstab

Thanks

With the way it was written I thought it affected only the cast which seemed hard to really take advantage of

[plain river]

@mossy geode that just isn’t how parting shot works. It only applies to casts

[mossy geode]

oh

[plain river]

It’s not global

[mossy geode]

well RIP

[primal brook]

Maybe I'm wrong, will look it up now

[primal brook]

My bad, you are correct

[mossy geode]

Thank you for checking @primal brook

[analog mauve]

maybe i should do a recorded 62 run

[vital night]

do it

[analog mauve]

2026 goals

[vital night]

bruh

thats fair ig

[gleaming crater]

is twin fists zag aspect good

[plain river]

It’s like the second best fists aspect tbh

[gleaming crater]

word

what's first in ur opinion

demeter?

[plain river]

Demeter and it’s not even really my opinion

It’s just straight up results if you check fists speedrun and heat

[gleaming crater]

u right

[plain river]

Demeter is a pure damage boost, zag is mild defence, talos isn’t too relevant to fists gameplay plan, and fists hidden aspect is not it

[dire plover]

Zag Fists is fun with Plume for sure though

[dire plover]

Gilga is fun with a dash build but yeah, it's kinda bad

idk why Maiming makes enemies hit you harder, feels unnecessary

[plain river]

Oh I’m never talking about how fun an aspect is to play here lol

That’s purely subjective

[dire plover]

Not a fan of Tidal Dash spam low stress runs ?

[plain river]

Gilga is not my low stress run, rather take zag bow

[dire plover]

My low stress runs are Gilga and Neme Sword since I don't really play a ton of H1 nowadays

[analog mauve]

[dire plover]

?

but I'm tryna have fun

[analog mauve]

yeah thats fair

its just that those two aspects have caused me the most stress in theg ame

[dire plover]

My source of stress is from H2

[analog mauve]

gaming

[dire plover]

gaming

Also waiting for that OlympusExtra update to come out completely

[wheat tiger]

quick thing

does lightning rod work with trippy flare?

[vital night]

Probably

[wheat tiger]

wrong thing

[vital night]

Also yes

[wheat tiger]

but i mean as in, the weed fog spawns the lightning

does it do that?

[vital night]

The trippy flare will have lightning yes

[wheat tiger]

oh that sounds like fun

[vital night]

Yeah it’s nice accessory damage

Ideally trippy flare should be nuking though

[wheat tiger]

eh mostly for fun and melting through bosses

[wheat tiger]

was thinking of doing a beowulf run if it did do the funny

artemis lives on the attack, demeter on the special because it's a throwaway, trippy flare and thunder dash

and then just aim for duo boons

nuke of freezing and double thunder

turns theseus into goo

[vital night]

So ice wine is actually worse with triply flare because it slows down the deploy

The only duo you really want with trippy beo is mirage shot, so Poseidon on special will do you better

[wheat tiger]

i've done it before
it's not that pressing to me to be as efficient for now, i'm still at around 15 heat

if i were to go for full efficiency on beowulf i'd just take flood flare mirage shot

[fervent root]

btw what are the best flares for beowulf?

was just wondering

[jolly chasm]

Flood Flare, Trippy Flare, and Passion Flare

[wheat tiger]

fat damage, fat damage or fat damage

[vital night]

Icy flare

[wheat tiger]

i can't really see why?
actually i'd like an explanation on that
because i can't really think much on why
the debuff that it applies isn't all that relevant unless you get killing freeze, but you can get a similar effect out of razor shoals

[vital night]

nah, i'm joking

[wheat tiger]

thought so

[vital night]

icy flare is the worst flare

do you know about the mirage bug?

[wheat tiger]

the fact that it deals 100% of the damage on beowulf instead of the stated 30%?

[full valley]

yes

[vital night]

yeah, so icy flare doesn't have that

it's 30%

[full valley]

whaaaaaat? icy flare is so good you just need to get poseidon to replace it and get mythic flood flare

[vital night]

tru

just gotta hit the 1/100000

[full valley]

exactly

[vital night]

and then mirage c4, rd c6 shop, and 15 ichors by meg

[proper furnace]

So true

[plain river]

That’s not the only reason

[vital night]

i mean yeah it's just super low damage too

main issue is no mirage

[clever mason]

Ugh, my last three runs have been Demeter being forced into the god pool on rooms with only one exit.

[vital night]

Rough

[clever mason]

Is it me, does glacial glare like never appear when you have crystal beam? I feel like static discharge always pops up when you get a Zeus boon (eventually) but glacial glare just never appears.

[vital night]

Dem cast kinda sucks in general

Dem also has other junk boons which might make it harder to roll that secondary

[jolly chasm]

Jolted has priority due to being a status curse, and I don’t think glacial glare gets that same priority

[clever mason]

Yeah dems boons just aren’t well refined. Lots of junk, things don’t connect.

[mossy geode]

and even dem cores feel a bit wierd. Like it is % so you want it on "slower/heavier" attacks, but you also want to have fun with 10 stack of chill and want it on "faster/lower dmg" attacks. It feels a bit contradictory in design.

[vital night]

my run gets instantly worse when i have dem in my god pool

[plain river]

The only time I’ve had it work well is

zag rail with spreadfire

it’s the right mix of 40 base damage and attack speed for it

[mossy geode]

which really shows that its design is questionable (if it only "works well" on 1/24 aspect)

[tight basin]

iirc dem was added last without playtesting from early access? so there prob wasnt much feedback about her

she has good supporting boons but you never really build around her cores lmao

[wheat imp]

I want to get a win on Hades without any input, only with revenge boons and the like. I've onky made it halfway through his second phase. Any advice?

[proper furnace]

Stack enough hp

I think the ideal set up is ares-zeus-athena-aphro

Then zag fists or arthur for dodge/hp

[wheat imp]

I'm doing Arthur for hp

Although I'm going Demeter instead of Athena

Athena's revenge isn't so good

The max I've had is 500+ hp with 3 DD and still wasn't enough

For keepsake I'm going with Meg's. I tried Achilles' but wasn't as good

[proper furnace]

Is some extra iframes

Vs dem's chill

[wheat imp]

Iframes aren't worth much when the only way to attack is to get hit me thinks

[proper furnace]

It gives extra time for vengeful mood procs

(which I assume you are getting)

[wheat imp]

Not as much as I should tbh

I mainly go for Zeus's

Since you can get the jolted effect too

[proper furnace]

Wait you know what's vengeful mood right

[wheat imp]

Ares's?

Doom on being hit

[proper furnace]

Ares-zeus duo boon

[wheat imp]

Ohhh

[proper furnace]

Every 3s activate all vengeance boons

[wheat imp]

I haven't gotten that one yet on my attempts

I'm gonna try go for that one next try

[tight basin]

you kinda need vengeful mood for an all revenge build lmao

[elfin jasper]

For aspect of hades what do y'all prefer? Athena on attack sounds fun

[primal brook]

That can work. You can also do a merciful end build with ares on attack, or artemis on either attack or special depending on hammers.

[elfin jasper]

ooh maybe

I just cleared a 32h run with athena on attack and accidentally got merciful end, massive spin + quick spin is fun lmao

Ares on attack seems odd since it doesn't work well with the spin, wouldn't ME be better on zag spear then?

[primal brook]

Merciful end on Hades spear usually goes with exploding laucher, the spin has a buff to size but not actual damage - so only the attack/special receive the buff from enemies hit by the spin.

^at least that's what speedrunners do

for high heat there are a few options.

[elfin jasper]

neat

[uncut minnow]

Is God's legacy better for Beowulf or do I stay God's pride?

Going for mirage shot

[jolly chasm]

Legacy is generally considered better for lower times/heat

[uncut minnow]

What's better for 32?

[jolly chasm]

Legacy

[vital night]

i think either is fine. it's not a big difference between them, right?

[fair canopy]

what are the top 3 best weapons to use?

[vital night]

They’re all good

I guess shield, rail, and bow

[quaint cosmos]

Hey guys I forgot how to unlock the beywolf aspect of the shield
Anyone remember?
(It's my second playthrough
Patiently waiting for hades2 1.0😅)

[full valley]

chaos iirc gives you the aspect of beowulf, which you need to equip to chaos first then he will give you the waking phrase so long as he acknowledges you have the shield, then he will give it to you after regardless if oyu have the shield equipped

need 5 titan blood in other aspects except zag aspect

[quaint cosmos]

So I need to talk to him with the chaos aspect and then he will give me the phrase to unlock the baywolf?
Well..
I'll try to find him😂

[full valley]

good luck 🫡

yeah so long as he recognizes you have the shield on that attempt, any attempt after with or without shield he will give you the waking phrase

oh and you need to have varatha hidden aspect unlocked before any other hidden aspect

[proper furnace]

#h1-story-discussion pins

[fair canopy]

what are the top 3 best casts to use/use with hera bow or Achilles spear

[vital night]

Can you stop asking the same question in multiple channels

[fair canopy]

these channels are empty its not like im disrupting conversations

[vital night]

But you’re not gaining anything from asking it in multiple places

You’re just coming across as impatient and immature for no reason

[vital night]

@dull viper he doesn’t care lol

[mossy geode]

for Doom damage calculation please tell me if I'm correct:

We take the base doom damage (with pom).
add X% (X being stuff like Impending doom, High Confidence, Family favorite etc) and then add 40 (ME)?

So if i have a rare attack and common impending with Confidence, Family, and lets say Ravenous epic (60%+25%+25%+30%) , my doom does

(75+140%) + 40 = 220 dmg per ME doom proc

now where does the crit dmg comes in the formula?

do you triple the base 75 dmg on crit and then apply the rest?

[plain river]

Base damage * (1+ the sum of all additive +%) * (crit damage) + Merciful End Extra 40 damage

Merciful End and Hoarding Slash from sword both fall into a unique case called “Extra Damage” where the amount they add is added after all other damage calculations (these are the only examples of it, everything else conforms to the basic case)

[mossy geode]

Thank you!

[fair canopy]

should i buy zeus shield or chaos shield

[uncut minnow]

Zeus is considered better but both are fun

[wheat tiger]

Is there anything interesting at all to do with the rail?
I can only keep taking Zeus on the attack for so long before getting bored of it

Every aspect just ends up being more or less the same
Zeus on the attack and Aphrodite on the special

[plain river]

Zeus on strike with Hestia is deranged

and you can throw anything on strike with zag rail with spreadfire

[wheat tiger]

I have done crit builds with Hestia aspect but there's better weapons to do that with
And I also tried the sea storm thing with the Lucifer rail, and was also not very impressed by it

[wheat tiger]

Does it also affect the lightning bolt?

[wheat tiger]

Spread fire throws me off
I'm used to the longer range of the other hammers
I end up standing farther away and just don't hit anything
The shorter range is also a bit of a throw-off because the rail doesn't stun, it's not like the sword or fists, it just feels off IDK

How would Dionysus strike work on the rail
It's on the same vein as lightning strike
The only things that come to mind are crit builds

Ok moment of inspiration
Zag aspect
Spread fire
Dionysus attack
Aphrodite dash
Any Ares core and an Artemis core if I can help it

It is a bog standard crit build

But it uses something aside Zeus/Aphrodite on the attack

And it makes use of the shorter range

[vital night]

it's not that bad

like not ideal but

ricochet/piercing and zeus strike can strip DC pretty fast and apply jolted to a whole room

and your bossing is ok with jolted and hestia base damage

probably could run RR for some additive idk

[wheat tiger]

Ah ok I misread that
It's late at night and it did not compute that that's anti-synergystic

But still on the rail most of the time it's Zeus on the atta k or failing that Aphrodite

[wheat tiger]

Also giving it some more thought chill is another debuff that benefits from fast hits
But Demeter's boons don't scale up that well and it only really has killing freeze going on for it

[plain river]

…wdym

[plain river]

You lose a bunch of aoe but yeah

[vital night]

Aphro is only a hestia or spread fire thing

Sucks on base rail

[wheat tiger]

So most of the time Zeus or failing that Aphrodite

[plain river]

Failing that I’d go for any other flat damage

Aphro is like… why am I running +% on a 10 base damage weapon

[solid sable]

Is Eris Rail + Poseidon & zeus still the highest dps in the game?

[proper furnace]

Beowulf pos cast - mirage shot

[solid sable]

oh not aphrodites cast? interesting

who'd you pair that up with? aphro for extra poms?

(wait no i'm silly, artemis )

[proper furnace]

Mirage shot is bugged on flsres so the 2nd cast doesn't get the dmg reduction

And pos is already half of mirage

Also bigger AoE

Going aphro means you would open sweet nectar and heart rend too which messes with mirage odds

[solid sable]

Oh okay, thanks. is it the same with hera bow?

[proper furnace]

Hera does use aphro cast

Cuz it uses the normal casts and not flares so not mirage

(there's dio flare but it takes way too much to get working)

[analog mauve]

Yes but they asked highest dps

[proper furnace]

If they are asking highest dps with eris in mind I assumed speedrunning

[analog mauve]

[fair canopy]

is lighting rod w/l or should i just take zeus aid, (im on aspect of zeus rn)

[vital night]

aid

[fair canopy]

how do i utilize rush delivery with zeus shield ?

[solid sable]

can beowulf bull rush be dash cancelled?

[vital night]

No

But you can do something called scooting which buffers a bullrush into a dash. Kinda the opposite of what you want though

[solid sable]

Oh weird. What's being used here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s49jVwc6rS8&t=542s

Is it specific to hyper dash

[vital night]

Ah that’s a hammer called charged shot

@solid sable ^

[solid sable]

oh, i see thanks

[tight basin]

Looks like someone was reading the 32 heat guide lmao

[uncut minnow]

I used your guide to beat 32 heat. It's very useful.

[solid sable]

just working my way up

[plain river]

The 32 heat guide has a lot of info applicable prior to 32 heat

[solid sable]

for sure

[tight basin]

just remembered that technically the bull rush can be canceled if you use a summon and i believe also call

the bull rush just wouldn't go off at all

it's "handy" but not really used as a tech often at all lmao

[vital night]

Call is inconsistent and can be dangerous lol

[analog mauve]

Same

[tidal marsh]

is there any benefit to using all the different weapons? The first blade seems to fit my playstyle best, but I also don't want to miss out on any fun to be had with other weapons. Any particular one I should unlock first?

[plain river]

Bounties are specific to each weapon

so the titans blood and other resources you get with sword are tracked seperately than every other weapon

meaning you can get 6x the blood, ambrosia, and diamonds if you just make good use of every weapon up to 20 heat

also unlocking every weapon then unlocks aspects for you

which lets you get different upgrades and changes to each weapon

which you need titans blood for

[vital night]

Might be more fun to play different weapons

[mossy geode]

I just had an ME run with Epic Ares Attack and rare Impending both pommed a lot. Ravenous will, epic hyper delivery. It was so awesome... except ME never showed up...

with high confidence and family I had like 250%+ additives

sad

[vital night]

Even with the needed Athena boons?

[mossy geode]

oh yeah

I had special and dash in tart

impending doom showed up is Aspho

and I thought ok I take it early

but ME never showed up

I had litteraly all the ares boon you can have except ME

[vital night]

Crazy

Was your god pool filled

[mossy geode]

demeter (ravenous only) / aphro (life affirmation only)

so all pom were going to attack and impending

it was kind of perfect ^^

my last ares in styx I had choice between curse of vengeance and two replace (and no more reroll)

i think I was at around 650dmg per doom

I actually really like demeter (the god not the aspect) when going ME

ravenous will is easy doom dmg and non pomable

with the three cores, impending and ravenous, every single pom can go to attack or impending doom which is nice

[vital night]

Crazy

Sometimes the rng just be like that

How many Athena/ares screens did you get

[mossy geode]

well I had athena cast so that's 3 (special / dash / cast) I rerolled at least once but then picked the cores
ares at the end I think I had attack impedning urge battle rage blood frenzy curse of vengeance

I should have taken a picture of final screen

you can see my last 4 boons are 4 ares boons

so probably 5-6 screens of Athena/Ares after having attack & special

^^

[vital night]

Pretty funny

[mossy geode]

I think I had epic lvl6 and impending rare lvl3
So I was at 183 doom dmg with 25% (confidence) 25%(family) 100%(impending) 100% (rush epic) 20% (rare ravenous)
183 * 3.7 = 677 dmg per doom
With ME it would have been instant and +40 717 dmg..

[vital night]

Doesn’t seem like a terrible build though

[mossy geode]

oh yeah it was still hitting a lot

[vital night]

Yeah

[mossy geode]

just not isntant ^^

and impending without ME for 3 maps is looooong

[vital night]

I think the move there is probably force Zeus into ely and look for supplemental damage

Yeah

[surreal prism]

can somebody please explain what happend to his HP and how i can remake this build
https://outplayed.tv/hades/YO28LW

[plain river]

Lernie only has like 6000 hp spread across his 3 phases

so anything that does 2k damage instaphases him

say, an aphrodite full call

Are there far more efficient and easier ways to get 2k out than an aphrodite full call? Absolutely. But it works

[surreal prism]

full aphrodite call insta kills hydra?

[plain river]

Each hydra phase only has 2k hp

[surreal prism]

wait how much damage does aphrodite call do

[plain river]

Aphro full call does 2500

for reference, the weakest no pom, common dionysus minicall does like 1080 damage over it’s duration, for a 4th of the call gauge and can do this same amount to multiple enemies

[vital night]

It’s funny because Meg on cp2 lernie usually leaves him with the tiniest sliver of hp

[vital night]

2500>1080. Aphro is better got it

[jolly chasm]

40>15 Sea storm attack is better

Can’t you do basic math

[plain river]

3500 > 2500, Than > Meg

[near portal]

Can somone help me with a nemesis build?

[wheat tiger]

Nemesis is very forgiving
What I tend to go for is a merciful end build and then Artemis on the cast to also have it be a crit build

So Ares on the attack, Athena on the special and the dash, and Artemis on the cast