#h1-builds-and-combat

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bleak pulsar
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what's the best build for fists?

jolly chasm
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ME

abstract yarrow
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ive just been playing by myself with not much build anything but the pinned has made this so much more fun lmao

civic sparrow
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whats a good build for AoH?

I usually run athena or poseidon on the attack

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(aspect of Hades)

zenith fractal
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chunky special + Exploding Launcher + Charged Skewer is one strategy
Since that can be difficult to get, artemis attack + serrated point + quick/massive spin is an option as well. The current modded heat wr for dadspear is with the latter, for example, while most other runs try to obtain the former.

fair notch
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dude what the f

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now i don't even have my message

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thanks

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how do you use artemis boons like crit and hunters mark

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i had it on my flurry jab spear's attack

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and it was ABSOLUTE TRASH. it just did ZERO damage

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maybe i don't understand how it's supposed to work

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but i'm not gonna try that again

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i even had like aphro on my special and their "weak foes take more crit damage" duo

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do i need to like pom certain boons a lot or put artemis on not-my-main attack? like cast/special/call?

rose nexus
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In general Artemis attack wants chaos attack/dash strike boons, and hunter’s dash sometimes

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Otherwise your damage is just sad

vagrant crane
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well non achilles spear is never really gonna do damage itself

fair notch
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it was achilles but it still didn't do anything

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i didn't see chaos the whole run 😦

vital night
analog mauve
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i start ddash with achilles

vital night
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yeah achilles shouldn't have issues with dps ikd

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idk

analog mauve
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i start gilgamesh ddash idk

fair notch
analog mauve
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hunter dash is good

vital night
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hunter dash is good too

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that should be a decent amount of damage if you're using the special

errant narwhal
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It was gooder when it made 100% crit chance on dash attacks 🧓

fair notch
analog mauve
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there should be a mod to revert to that

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i want to see how much it would break the game

fair notch
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hunter's mark also seems quite bad against bosses since it just doesn't affect the boss

errant narwhal
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Is downpatching possible? I don’t even know when it was changed

vital night
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closest thing is probably sailing the high seas...

errant narwhal
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Probably in one of the very first patches bc it was so broken with bow

fair notch
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you might be able to find previous patches in the steam database? i'm not really sure how that works

tight basin
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it's a pretty good pom target too

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the issue with arty attack on achilles is that it falls off pretty hard in ely

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you can get by with it in tart and aspho, esp with tidal dash

fair notch
tight basin
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build into the cast

fair notch
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is arty attack good for a cast build?

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i don't really like cast builds tbh

tight basin
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tidal dash helps with ely and dps but you're gonna need like RD or just build into the cast

tight basin
fair notch
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what's RD?

tight basin
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which is one of the best cast build for achilles

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rush delivery

fair notch
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ah yeah i take the prereq one every time i see it on first hermes but very rarely get RD

tight basin
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bonus global damage boost based off of your movement speed
so hyper sprint -> rd is ideal

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but yeah you'd rather have hunting blades

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150% blade damage goes hard

fair notch
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i rarely use ares tbh

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i like most of the other effects better

tight basin
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well youre doing taking ares for the doom this time

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and yeah his cast is mid until you get hunting blades

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then it's one of the free-est wins you can get

fair notch
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if i get hunting blades 🥺

tight basin
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actually ares kinda sucks without a duo lmao
doom needs ME, blades need hunting

fair notch
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i was gonna try an ares(doom) build on a bouncing shield special eventually

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probably bad for bosses but good for most rooms

rose nexus
tight basin
fair notch
tight basin
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it's just super slow

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you can get aoe damage faster by grouping properly

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most enemies group pretty well

fair notch
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oh you know what

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i forgot that throwing disables your attack on not-zeus shield

rose nexus
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It does

fair notch
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that's sad. feels like an unnecessary nerf

analog mauve
errant narwhal
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😳

proper furnace
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Rama with that

analog mauve
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2k dmg shots every shot

errant narwhal
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wait can you even dash attack with hestia i forget

analog mauve
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and all u need is 2 boons

proper furnace
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Yeah

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It just applies any dash strike buff to the bullet

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Luci is the one that can't dash strike at all

analog mauve
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hestia ri4 62 free

errant narwhal
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200 heat free

analog mauve
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idk abt that

errant narwhal
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oh sorry it was 120

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its been a while

rose nexus
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Where’s that video of FO70 or whatever

proper furnace
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Huh point blank had a higher bonus dmg?

jolly chasm
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This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

analog mauve
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This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠ #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

rain trail
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Guys has anyone tried the lock on bow with Ares Special + the Stacks? I’m reaching like 1000 Dmg each time omg

vagrant crane
rain trail
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damn

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the 1000 bursts was satisfying though 😔

analog mauve
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1000?

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i remember trying eris 56 with doom and got 400 procs by c6 where i got epic dire misfortune

vital night
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Say 200 damage doom, +20 dire misfortune x 8 = 360

analog mauve
vital night
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With impending that’s… 550 or something?

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Oh alr

analog mauve
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add in global

rain trail
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yeah i don’t know the math but yeah

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LMAO

vital night
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Oh true huh

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Nice

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You had hyper delivery?

rain trail
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guys idk what that is 💀

vital night
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Hyper sprint and rush delivery

jolly chasm
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Hyper sprint plus rush delivery boons from Hermes

analog mauve
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Hyper sprint plus rush delivery boons from Hermes the god

rose nexus
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Chire misfortune is fun

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Unfortunately it’s

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Bad

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Found a video from me 2 years ago

analog mauve
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freezing vortex best case scenario be like

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let me check my old vids

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(literally just 2 bc i dont record)

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doesnt look good

rose nexus
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Oh no

analog mauve
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i dont remember this

rain trail
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How good is Thans keepsake

vagrant crane
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not

plain river
rain trail
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F

proper furnace
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<@&456908176877551658>

vagrant crane
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i figured it out

pine halo
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Hi looking to build a Demeter cast as I managed to stumble upon it a run beforehand and tops on what I should get?

rose nexus
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If you insist on using it, you want Artemis as well so you can get the duo that makes it track much quicker

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You also want glacial glare to make it last longer, and glare is what you should be putting poms on mostly

pine halo
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what about weapon?

tender geode
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What are some good aspect of Arthur builds to try

proper furnace
fair notch
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If i'm using the rail with aspect of hestia, should I still be using zeus boons on my attack? or does it become more useful to switch to aphro/dem?

proper furnace
fair notch
# proper furnace go aphro yeah

ok thanks that's what i was wondering. why aphro over dem though? with dem + cold burst (the thing where 10 stacks explode into more damage. idk if that's the right name for it), isn't it better?

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ok i was basically right but had both of the words wrong, it's called Arctic Blast

proper furnace
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you pretty much do reload then shoot only

fair notch
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the rail attacks pretty fast though. when is arctic blast useful?

proper furnace
analog mauve
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dont hold attack

fair notch
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you can get the hestia burst and then hit 9 more times without reloading to get the arctic blast

analog mauve
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dpsloss

proper furnace
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reloading again would get you similar dmg

fair notch
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ok i'll try that then

analog mauve
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just using aphro will also get u more damage even if u get all shots in

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lol

fair notch
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but also aphro vs dem is like a few percentage points difference isn't it?

proper furnace
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72-80% range for epic dem

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aphro is 90-100% and has better poms

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epic dem does work if aphro is low rarity

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same for athena

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can also do arty if you get % scaling from somewhere else

analog mauve
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chill also messes up ur boss patterns

fair notch
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oh wait i thought poseidon was third best

analog mauve
proper furnace
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pos is lowest atk

fair notch
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Poseidon boons offers the 3rd highest raw percentage damage increase in Hades - wiki

analog mauve
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💀

fair notch
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like looking at the numbers now i see that athena is better but still

proper furnace
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wiki moment

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is like the 2nd highest special iirc

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but knockback so nobody wants it

fair notch
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athena is tied with dem

analog mauve
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except athena is cooler

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and has other boons u would want

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and no chill to mess u up

fair notch
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oh yeah poseidon is second best for special (at least if those 4 are the top 4 still), so maybe it averaged them

vagrant crane
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doesnt chill increase bubble time

analog mauve
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not sure not sure if it would ever matter

fair notch
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i don't know what bubble time is

vagrant crane
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but it is genreally not good

fair notch
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oh i guess if you're comparing the unique raw damage increases and not the gods

vagrant crane
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?

fair notch
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poseidon is 4th behind aphro, dem, and athena. But dem and athena are tied. so 30% is third behind 50% and 40%

vagrant crane
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poseidon is ahead of dem and athena

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it is behind arty and aph

fair notch
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for attack

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not special

vagrant crane
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oh

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for attack its the lowest in the game

fair notch
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also what do you mean behind arty

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arty is really low

vagrant crane
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1.4*1.4=1.96

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arty has the highest base special increase

fair notch
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where did you get the second 1.4?

vagrant crane
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20% crit chance

fair notch
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i'm seeii'm seeing 1.2*1.4

vagrant crane
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with crit being 3x damage

analog mauve
fair notch
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hold on maybe i'm misunderstanding it

vagrant crane
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proof left as exercise for the reader

fair notch
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let me rethink it

analog mauve
vagrant crane
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i believe in u

fair notch
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1.4*(0.8*1+0.2*3)

vagrant crane
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which is 1.4

fair notch
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yeah but you erased the entire derivation when you say 1.4 so it's confusing

vagrant crane
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with a crit damage of 3x, you double the crit chance to get the multiplicative damage increase

fair notch
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i also thought crit was 2x so that's my bad

vagrant crane
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trippy flare will only crit for 2x

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everything else is 3x though

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although some stuff cant crit

fair notch
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why is trippy flare singled out as 2x? it's already too strong?

vagrant crane
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its a bug

fair notch
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oh

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Bug in code that poms are doubled on Beowulf aspect for this cast

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uhh so it gets stronger poms too?

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at least for beowulf. hera gets no love there

vagrant crane
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yes

fair notch
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i haven't played with beowulf yet

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but i did a hera build with an aphro cast yesterday and it did ridiculous damage

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is there a resource that says how much poms benefit each boon?

vagrant crane
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yeah its pretty good

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yes

fair notch
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or is it like a very standard increase that poms give all the time

vagrant crane
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it is standard to some extent

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pom scaling is based off of like 3 things

fair notch
vagrant crane
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the base common number

vagrant crane
fair notch
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ohhh got it thanks

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i saw clicking increased rarity

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does it only show to lv10

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i think i got my cast to lv11 or lv12 yesterday

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i got the "poms are better" duo boon along the way

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sweet nectar

analog mauve
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my beowulf run is not going as intende

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hel

fair notch
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so after 2 poms, rare aphro attack boost is better than epic dem attack, but common aphro never gets better than epic dem.
and after 4 poms, common aphro > rare dem

so basically if you see epic dem it's fine to take that but otherwise aphro will be better (unless you're planning to not pom it at all)

analog mauve
analog mauve
fair notch
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and then at heroic dem vs epic aphro it's almost the same with no poms

analog mauve
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im assuming this is for hestia or any % based attack aspect

fair notch
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this is comparing the raw attack +% increase

analog mauve
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if u see epic athena or dem take it, if u see rare+ aphro take it

fair notch
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and is there any reason to use a dash that isn't poseidon or athena?

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i've just been disappointed by all of the rest

analog mauve
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aphro for weak if ur build needs a source of weak like if u got heartrend

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otherwise no pos and athena yeah

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blade dash is good

fair notch
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but if you need a source of weak, attack/special would be much better

analog mauve
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yes

proper furnace
fair notch
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blade dash drops it where you started which is odd to me

proper furnace
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Tho I believe is with + or -?

fair notch
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ah thanks yeah it's +/-

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what's the highest realistic level you can pom to? like 20 maybe?

proper furnace
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Like in a normal run or a "how many poms can this thing be fed"

fair notch
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like highest you can realistically get. like something that doesn't require RNGing a pom on almost every floor and RNGing them all to give you the option to pom the same thing

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i think the 11-12 i had on aphro cast was the highest i'd ever gotten since i usually spread them out

proper furnace
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In general most stuff you don't want them to put poms past lvl 5 anyways but I'd say prob 6-7?

fair notch
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it's fairly easy to get above 6-7

proper furnace
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Can do some more if you get double poms in styx or sweet nectar

fair notch
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i had like 2 poms that i couldn't reroll to my cast

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one may have been a double

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i was told "pom the cast as much as possible" with hera

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and it worked really well

proper furnace
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Oh yeah for hera-beo higher levels are expected

fair notch
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i also had the hermes "drop your stones after 2 seconds" thing

proper furnace
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Not much else to pom

analog mauve
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u can get like 50 poms on a boon in a run

fair notch
analog mauve
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are they not the same thing

fair notch
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extremely not

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it is not realistic to get top 0.0001% luck

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in what world would that be realistic

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let's say top 5% luck. 1/20 chance

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another question about hestia: if i put aphro on my attack, what should i put on my special? i usually aphro/dem on my special and zeus on my attack. is it worth it to put aphro on both? i feel like that's not super useful

vagrant crane
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i mean 2x aph is fine

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arty is good for special as well

analog mauve
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i dont even use special when playing hestia

vagrant crane
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i dont think thats how ur supposed to do that

fair notch
analog mauve
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works upto heat wr it should be fine

vagrant crane
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it does not work down to speed wr

analog mauve
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irrelevant

fair notch
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what would the best hammers be for hestia? i've been going with special hammers like rocket because hestia is already super good and none of the hammers seem to help it

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oh and the piercing one is useful

analog mauve
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rico

fair notch
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is explosive fire any good?

vital night
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Ricochet is a more consistent 2x damage but if you’re just better at the game, piercing is probably better

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I’m not good at hestia so I pick ricochet like a noob

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Wish I knew how to play piercing though

fair notch
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tbh i like piercing because it does some damage to shield guys in elysium from a distance

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i can usually get it to hit 2 anyways

vital night
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Every hammer has use on hesty though. Ricochet, piercing, rocket, cluster, hazard, targeting

tight basin
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spread :)

vital night
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Spread doesn’t affect the charged shot

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Lol

tight basin
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delta :))

fair notch
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you juse see 2 enemies, dash to be in line with them as you reload then fire

vital night
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Delta is…fine

fair notch
vital night
fair notch
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if you find more than 2 in a line that's better than ricochet

vital night
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I don’t like spread

tight basin
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spread and delta are useless on hestia lmao

fair notch
vital night
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I have never completed a run with spread fire rail

fair notch
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yeah delta i wouldn't choose

vital night
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Or maybe 1 idk

tight basin
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ely archers are typically very spread out

fair notch
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i tried spread once and didn't like the effectively zero range so i reset the run

vital night
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Spread and delta help hestia as much as you use the rest of the clip

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40 is a lot

fair notch
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i didn't read the "short spread" bit

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and was like "wow 40 sounds good"

tight basin
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spread fire is good on zag rail tho!

fair notch
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i don't know if i use any of the zag aspects tbh

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i think sword is the only one that i think is fine but that's because the others aren't good

plain river
fair notch
tight basin
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it only takes 5 blood to upgrade them to max

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zag bow is particularly good

fair notch
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are we talking zags or swords

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zag bow i prefer chiron and hera

tight basin
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zag aspects

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zag rail is like

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same as eris but easier to use lmao

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but you can also do spread fire so that's unique

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zag shield is alright

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zag sword, spear, and fists are kinda whatever

fair notch
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i really like zeus shield. zag shield is meh

tight basin
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yeah zag shield is hammer dependent for damage

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you need a good attack hammer

rose nexus
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Zagshield cshot is good

tight basin
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but the +15 base damage is pretty good

rose nexus
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Ya

tight basin
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doesn't affect cshot tho so that's stinky

rose nexus
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Rip

fair notch
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yeah i always take cshot on shield

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but i like... being able to use it after throwing my shield

tight basin
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on the other hand you should just never throw the shield lmao

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excpet on zeus

rose nexus
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Yup

fair notch
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but i like throwing it

rose nexus
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Well you shouldn’t!

fair notch
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zeus shield is basically a second attacker you can send away

rose nexus
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Yes it is

fair notch
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like two groups of enemies, send shield at one, go kill the other

rose nexus
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But on other shields it’s bad

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It’s just a slot to open duos with if needed

fair notch
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yeah unless you like chip damage

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it's really slow

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my first run with shields got really far becuase i just ran around dodging throwing the shield and it would just bounce and hit something and return

rose nexus
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Terrifying

fair notch
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lol

tight basin
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not surprising, that's a pretty common strategy for newer players lmao

fair notch
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i like went from getting murdered by meg to beating the chapions in one run

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it just took an hour or more

rose nexus
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Yeah that’s why it sounds terrifying

fair notch
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and then it was just really bad in styx

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becuase it's so close quarters

analog mauve
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right

vital night
fair notch
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🙃

vital night
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You didn’t ask

fair notch
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lol

vital night
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Alr so basically

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You want to get explosive return

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And keep the shield as close to you as possible while maximizing the number of times you trigger explosive return

fair notch
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can you just spam it

vital night
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Yeah

fair notch
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oh hmm

vital night
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But that can be dangerous

fair notch
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so then you don't want zeus boons on it

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or ig it depends if the explosion is buffed by the special boons

vital night
fair notch
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i mean boons in case that wasn't clear

vital night
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The exposition will stay at 50, but it will trigger the lightning bolt in a large area

fair notch
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how big is this explosion?

vital night
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Very big

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Deceptively good at crowd control

fair notch
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like the zeus shield radius is a fair size already. the size i'd expect an explosion to be

vital night
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Nah the explosion is way bigger

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It’s a little smaller than the rail special radius I think

fair notch
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hmm ok i'll try that

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i think i've been dismissing the explosion as "i don't even catch it"

vital night
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Oh lol

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ER radius is 550, and rail special is 400

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Crazy

fair notch
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jeez

vital night
fair notch
tight basin
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kinda insane range ngl

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that's the exact moment ER procced

fair notch
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i usually do cshot and breaching rush if given the opportunity

vital night
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Cshot is not good for playing Zeus the way I like to

tight basin
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cshot zeus is funny tho

vital night
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Funny but dangerous

steep scarab
vital night
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So ideally you don’t want be kiting it

fair notch
vital night
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Yeah

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Generally hestia is self sufficient enough with any % boost that it can start tidal dash and pick up any attack or special boon

fair notch
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i'm not even using tidal dash lol, i thought it would be useless since i'm basically ohkoing everything

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i got athena dash

vital night
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Yeah that’s the safer option

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Tidal dash is good for crowd control since hestia has a very low frequency damage pattern

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Esp in tart and styx

fair notch
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trying to pick my other things so i can get duo boons but they don't seem that great

vital night
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Hestia doesn’t really need duos

fair notch
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like maybe heart rend or curse of longing

vital night
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Yeah they’re fine. This is pretty much everything you’ll ever want to know about hestia

fair notch
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oh i should have used fiery presence

vital night
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Yeah

fair notch
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i just never use that because i often use high speed attacks more than high damage

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running high confidence sounds cocky lol

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i find it gets challenging to get a chaos boon if you choose high confidence

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and +25% is much less than most chaos boons

tight basin
fair notch
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yeah that makes sense

tight basin
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You typically want tdash earlier so you can put poms into it

fair notch
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i'm still ohkoing in elysium

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well 2hko with shield

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and 4hko with shield + shield on eyeball thing

analog mauve
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use fiery

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use aphro attack

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win

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dont get stuff that messes with feiry precenesecnce

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prence

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whaeever

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.

fair notch
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also ```Distant Memory

I hope to Hades this thing is still level 1. If you leveled it up for an achievement or some other garbage, it might be best to start a new savefile.``` what? is +30% damage not good?

tight basin
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The effective range is kinda whatever

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It's like hella far

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And hestia plays more midrange ish or even close range

fair notch
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how far is it?

tight basin
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Especially if you have rocket bomb and/or tdash

fair notch
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is it like "they have to be off screen"

tight basin
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Something stupid and not worth using lmao

vital night
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He’s joking about not having it leveled

fair notch
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oh i know

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i just have it leveled because i used it all the time

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haven't used it much in a while but i wanted to see if it suggested it for max damage

rose nexus
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It’s bad

fair notch
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it should be like "not melee range"

rose nexus
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I don’t think any amount of fiddling with the range on DM would make it worth using tbh

fair notch
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i mean i think it would be as useful as the shackle

analog mauve
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melee the best way to play this game

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unless hestia

fair notch
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or bow

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unless you like point blank

potent tree
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Triple Shot 😎

vital night
fair notch
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i'm almost always within this range with hestia (except like the first shot of an encounter)

steep scarab
steep scarab
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and shield bullrushing

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that’s what I saw the most success with

analog mauve
vital night
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Me when I pick up hestia

analog mauve
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bad

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whoa, forwarding

rose nexus
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Yeah I got forwarding today too

fair notch
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i am convinced that hestia rail is just straight up the best weapon. it literally carries the entire run and i don't even think i would need any boons to finish

tight basin
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hestia is one of the best aspects for a boonless run lmao

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shackle moment

fair notch
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how do you do a boonless run?

rose nexus
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Purge any boons you can’t avoid taking

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Avoid the rest

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It’s one of the only uses for fated authority

fair notch
#

oh i forgot about that

rose nexus
#

You get a unique run clear message if you do it right

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Well, assuming you don’t also qualify for a higher priority message

steep scarab
rose nexus
#

Shameless plug

tight basin
fair notch
#

i was doing 800 damage per shot

rose nexus
#

I forgot I did this while doing heat progression on my old save 2 years ago

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Cheeky ap1 and CF2 moment

fair notch
#

so you're allowed to use chaos boons in a boonless run?

rose nexus
#

Not an Olympian so ye

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I think the requirements for the message are even less strict but not 100% sure - I’ve been told you can have unpurgeables and they don’t count against you

fair notch
#

what about passives?

rose nexus
#

Pretty sure they disqualify you unless they’re also unpurgeable

fair notch
#

what is unpurgeable?

rose nexus
#

Not able to be purged

fair notch
#

i mean which boons

rose nexus
#

Anything from chaos, and the others idk the whole list

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Mainly it’s ones that give you something when you take the boon

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Like nourished soul or premium vintage

fair notch
#

oh like ocean bounty

rose nexus
#

Ocean’s bounty is a weird one bc it doesn’t even ever show up in your boons list

fair notch
#

oh i thought it did lol

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ig i never looked for it

rose nexus
#

Whichever one gives instant gold and hearts etc

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Never shows up

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The one that boosts gold and darkness does

fair notch
#

oh i was wrong, ocean bounty is the "you get more" one. sunken treasure is the "get some now" one

rose nexus
#

There we go

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The athena DD ones are unpurgeable too I think but not certain

#

Getting a boonless run is pretty easy on Hestia though

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Honestly it’s harder to ensure you finish with no boons than it is to actually clear without boons

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Styx can screw you over

fair notch
#

do the boons ones first

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then pray you get a sell thing

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in the others

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because you can always do more after finding the sack

tight basin
#

im pretty sure for the game, it recognizes the run to still be boonless if you can't purge the boons you currently have

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like you can end the run with only premium vintage and still get the stuff

hearty idol
rose nexus
fair notch
#

i didn't notice that either lol. is there a list of possible messages you can get there somewhere?

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i got some that i wasn't really sure what they meant

proper furnace
#

There are some silly ones

fair notch
proper furnace
fair notch
#

oh thanks!

quasi trail
#

Hi all. New to Discord and learning it through my favorite game.

analog mauve
#

nice its usually the other way around

primal brook
raven frost
#

is dad call > distant memory if im running chiron?

potent tree
#

Most keepsakes are >>> Distant Memory: DM just requires way too much distance to even proc most of the time, and it's not a huge boost anyway

raven frost
#

oh ok ty

analog mauve
#

Never use dad call

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Useless

jolly chasm
#

Dad call is pretty decent on many aspects at low heat or for speed, but you would rather have certain other calls

raven frost
#

oh word

analog mauve
#

You would rather have literally any other keepsake

raven frost
#

if im doing hera aphoride cast build what should i do

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zeus call?

analog mauve
#

All it gives u is some bonus DMG for 5 seconds

jolly chasm
#

If you are going into styx

analog mauve
#

If you are going into Styx take acorn

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Edward what are you on about

jolly chasm
#

Not on Hera

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100% is really nice if you aren't worried about dieing

analog mauve
#

They are trying to clear man not speedrun

raven frost
#

im not doing anything special rn

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just like chilling on 15 heat i usually dont struggle to stay alive though

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so dad call then with hera

analog mauve
#

U can use it to see if it would be useful to you

raven frost
#

should i aim for anything duo related with hera

jolly chasm
#

Not really

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mirage is a nice bonus, but not something you really go for

raven frost
#

okay

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unrealted question but can pom porridge upgrade the same boon a few times

jolly chasm
#

Yes

raven frost
#

i swear i had only 3 pommable boons but it only gave me +3 lvls

jolly chasm
#

How many rooms does it take to activate again? It's 5 right?

raven frost
#

oh no not mom pom thing

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like euridicy pom

jolly chasm
#

oh

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No, Eury pom can't

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Mb

raven frost
#

ur good

#

that's unfortunate though then

proper furnace
steep scarab
raven frost
#

I never understand how you manage to have like so many prometheus stones and braids by the end

#

i would like that 😅

proper furnace
#

Stuff from the charon between aspho-ely last until dad on a 2 sack

#

You can buy the ely-styx well then swap to another keepsake too

raven frost
#

ok ill try that

#

i have such bad luck with wells

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and chaos

proper furnace
#

Burning rolls in wells is def great

potent tree
#

Is the cat in your profile picture yours?

raven frost
#

no but i used to have a similarly colored one

jolly chasm
steep scarab
proper furnace
#

2nd sack short tunnel is 7 encounters

steep scarab
#

oh I thought all tunnels were 5

#

how are skips? is it just like, taking free rooms instead of encounters

proper furnace
#

Yesh

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Npc rooms/fountains/chaos/mid shop

raven frost
#

is the tunnel length random or is some tunnel entrance always shorter

proper furnace
#

There's some variance yeah

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That's what Ed meant with short tunnel

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Is like 1 less of those mini rooms

raven frost
#

but you can't control that right

proper furnace
#

Correct

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The speedrun modpack forces it iirc

jolly chasm
#

Forces it in second tunnel, not the first one

raven frost
#

btw what does the interactible chaos thing do

#

in rng balance

steep scarab
raven frost
#

with modded you can

proper furnace
raven frost
#

oh yeah i just tried it

#

you dont have to take the chaos gate

steep scarab
#

what tier lasting consequences makes stubborn roots round down

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2? 50% less healing 0.5 rounds down?

#

also on LC notes, it doesn’t affect defiances? what does it and doesn’t affect

analog mauve
#

defiances arent healing

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picking up a max hp heart isnt healing

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it affects everything else

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lifesteal mechanics are unaffected

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guan yu spin, cursed slash sword, that one fist hammer i think

steep scarab
#

interesting
how about the stubborn roots threshold

analog mauve
#

idk it is garbage either way

#

i think it doesnt heal

steep scarab
#

even with LC1?

proper furnace
#

Stubborn roots ignores LC pretty sure

#

Quick recovery also ignores it

analog mauve
#

forgot recovery

analog mauve
steep scarab
#

can you take the blood out of your aspects and reallocate them?

proper furnace
#

Normally no

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The only exception is if you just unlocked the aspect

#

Just need to press give up to revert your save before that

#

If you died/won a run/went into zag's room then is a rip

brittle viper
#

What's a good build for Eris rail?

#

As in, where should I start?

analog mauve
#

lightning strike

brittle viper
#

Oh...oh!

analog mauve
brittle viper
#

Triple Bomb, Flurry Fire, or Hazard Bomb? Run decided to give me a hammer

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shut UP would you?

analog mauve
#

triple bomb

brittle viper
analog mauve
#

hazard bomb goes against eris' whole thing

#

make sure you are landing in your specials

brittle viper
#

sorry for all the questions, I don't play the rail unless it has dark thirst, and even then sometimes I just skip out on it because it bothers me

analog mauve
#

this place is for questions

#

controller or kbm?

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kbm i see

#

turn off attack at cursor while playing rail

#

it will autoaim

brittle viper
#

I might have an aneurism

#

But I'll try

analog mauve
brittle viper
#

This isn't so bad

#

I will admit I was skeptical because I do love my aim at cursor

#

One more question, what's a good special boon?

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Dem?

analog mauve
#

arty

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aphro

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ares

brittle viper
analog mauve
#

in that order i guess

#

athena is good to take too to open up free dds

jolly chasm
#

Honestly, all are fine except Zeus and Dio

analog mauve
#

ares hits really hard tho

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better than aphro i think if u dont mind the delay

brittle viper
#

I do love me a good ares special moment; just won with Chaos Shield Doom

analog mauve
#

shield specials suck tho so theres that despairge

brittle viper
#

Well yeah that's why they're rly good with Ares

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At least in my experiences

#

Gives them a good use if you build around his doom

tight basin
#

the issue is the fact that you're using shield special lmao

#

the long recovery time means your room clearing effectiveness is hella slow

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and you can't block

brittle viper
#

Well I mean I haven't played high heat, my highest is 3 lol

#

For what I do at lower heat it's pretty nifty

#

Plus it's just fun for me

rose nexus
#

Fun is expressly forbidden here

brittle viper
analog mauve
brittle viper
brittle viper
#

Second hammer
Rocket Bomb
Seeking Fire
Explosive Fire

I'm thinking either Explosive Fire or Rocket Bomb but I'm nto sure

#

idk if 80 base dmg is less than the special's normal, I forget

analog mauve
#

base is 60

#

rockst good

brittle viper
#

Thank you, Rocket bomb it is

#

I appreciate the help TayHeart

analog mauve
#

if you see delta chamber playing eris take it

brittle viper
#

Ultimately I'm still new to building good builds, I've always just gone with intuition or something specific I wanted to do

#

Delta chamber?

rose nexus
#

Delta chamber

brittle viper
#

Very helpful /s

#

OH

#

the hammer

rose nexus
#

Yes

#

Delta chamber

brittle viper
#

rolls eyes I'm getting used to the names as well

#

(rolling my eyes at me not you)

#

should've been obvious we were talking about hammers

brittle viper
#

any half-decent Gilgamesh builds that can take me to the surface?

#

i don't need to win i just need to reach the surface then i can play demeter as much as i wish

proper furnace
#

Click tidal dash

brittle viper
#

nod nod, thank you

#

wait, any explanation as to why?

proper furnace
#

Highest dmg dash

#

Gilga gives you +2 dashes

jolly chasm
#

4 dashes

proper furnace
#

Or 3 with ruthless reflex

#

Can also just play merciful end, but might as well have some fun with whatever gilga gives you

steep scarab
analog mauve
#

if you see delta chamber playing eris take it

steep scarab
#

is it more better on eris or what

analog mauve
#

i mean eris and hestia are the only rails ur going to be using

proper furnace
#

Zag rail can take it if you are playing budget eris

#

But ideally you take spread fire

analog mauve
#

gross

proper furnace
#

And luci can't even get it

steep scarab
#

actually would eris buff flat damage like buffing both attack and zeus lightning?

analog mauve
#

yes

#

buddy u asked this like 5 times iirc

steep scarab
vital night
#

@nimble token depending on the aspect/build, third one could be good

nimble token
vital night
#

Real

#

Assuming non Zeus shield

nimble token
#

!

#

which do ichoose

vital night
#

hyper sprint

#

and look for rush delivery on your second hermes

nimble token
#

wait because i have the double dash thing im permanently faster

vital night
#

what

nimble token
#

i can just dash forever without losing hypersprint

vital night
#

eh, maybe with epic HS

nimble token
#

im able to time it right..

vital night
#

you hit the cooldown on common and rare though

#

🤷‍♂️

nimble token
#

yeah i mean i lose it for like a quarter second but

vital night
#

not a meaningful difference, but yeah you can be pretty fast

nimble token
#

its basically on at least 85% of the time

vital night
#

yeah

nimble token
#

bruh

#

im against the minotaur and dumb STUPID bow guy next and i have 18 health

devout remnantBOT
#

@nimble token Watch your language.

nimble token
#

its over for me

vital night
#

rip

nimble token
#

im at charons shop, do i buy max health for 125 coins, gyro for 50 coins, or athena for 150

vital night
#

are you broke

nimble token
#

i have 161

vital night
#

oh rip

#

gyro probably

nimble token
#

at least i have deaath defiance

#

i always lose my run at this fight

#

its flippin impossible

#

is ther any specific tactic you have for tyhem @vital night

#

cuz last time i just targeted minotaur and tried to block the dumb bow guy with my shield

vital night
#

uh

#

yeah that's kinda how you play the fight

#

use the pillars to block theseus while focusing the minotaur

#

also it's a spear, not a bow

nimble token
#

i just thought bow cuz like yk the cross hairs he puts on you and a big projectile

vital night
#

yeah that's fair

nimble token
#

im mid fight i just paused, i have to say when minotaur dies and he starts spamming that dumb stuff from aphrodite i think it was, hypersprint is sooo sueful

vital night
#

yeah

nimble token
#

LETS GOO!! i won

#

first time out of this place

vital night
#

good stuff

nimble token
#

what keepsake should i equip

#

keep myrdion bracer, use egg, blood vial, lambent plume, or bone hourglass?

brittle viper
vital night
nimble token
#

i just gave you my options, i dont have that

vital night
#

oh rough lol

#

did you already use tooth?

nimble token
#

i dont have that

#

i already used owl and thunder

vital night
#

gift skelly lol

#

uh

rose nexus
#

Aim for getting the acorn from Eurydice, the collar from Cerberus

nimble token
rose nexus
#

And the tooth from skelly

vital night
#

is there anything good in the well

#

for hourglass

rose nexus
#

Those are all good defensive keepsakes

vital night
#

collar lk sucks

nimble token
vital night
#

rough

nimble token
#

theres one that makes my cast do 50% more damage

#

so i could use hourglass ont hat

vital night
#

chaos can't spawn in styx and you probably won't gain much from forcing another god

vital night
nimble token
#

ill just keep brace

vital night
#

alr

nimble token
vital night
#

lightning phalanx

#

also if you see hermes in styx shop, try to get rush delivery

nimble token
#

about that..

#

i sold the phalanx shot to afford styx..

vital night
#

oh you mean the death defiance

#

that's fine

#

hangover is an ok build, just will be a bit slow

nimble token
#

i really like hangover

#

its my favorite thing ive had yet

brittle viper
#

dionysus best god

nimble token
#

fr

brittle viper
#

love him lots, one of my fave characters in all of hades

vital night
#

hangover is fine on attack, but you really want his call

nimble token
#

athena zues and dionysus are my favorites character and ability wise

vital night
#

big damage

#

zeus also banger for call

nimble token
brittle viper
#

athena call good for survival

nimble token
#

it was insane

brittle viper
#

oh Lernie?

#

yeah Lernie is fun last phase call

vital night
#

ares call is not great

brittle viper
#

i like to use artemis call against it

#

or Aphrodite

nimble token
brittle viper
vital night
#

what

brittle viper
#

the 3 headed guardian of the underworld

nimble token
#

theres a big red dog

#

clifford

brittle viper
#

You see him every time you return to the house

#

it's Cerberus lol

nimble token
#

how tf does one even have 1200 coins at this point

vital night
#

oh yeah

#

uh

nimble token
#

why are there things here that cost that much

vital night
#

not spending money

#

it's not that hard

brittle viper
#

yeah i've managed to get good chunks of change in styx before

vital night
#

good builds should only consist of 1-3 boons, so you can usually rack up a good amount of money by the end

analog mauve
#

buddy hasnt played eris

vital night
#

lightning strike, jolted, and tdash

#

don't act like you're getting more than that in an average run

nimble token
#

from the cerberus room, should i go to pomegranate door, poseidon door, dionysus with scary skull door, max health door with scary skull and one red up arrow, or charon coin door

#

wait dang i have minotaur rush and breaching rush

#

my bull rush is insane lol

#

thats +900% damage if i time it right against an armored enemy

vital night
#

and faster

#

so take those first

nimble token
#

first?

#

im allowed to go back?

vital night
#

yeah

#

oh 😶

brittle viper
vital night
#

they are though

nimble token
vital night
#

nothing, just didn't want to spoil anything about the game

#

i would take the skull door

nimble token
#

so dionysus

#

got it

vital night
#

yeah or max health

#

doesn't matter

analog mauve
vital night
#

those are 50 heat, doesn't count

analog mauve
#

what

vital night
#

🗿

rose nexus
#

The skull tunnels in Styx are absolutely easier

nimble token
#

dude i just took 100 damage

vital night
#

real

nimble token
#

from this DUMB rat

rose nexus
#

I would simply kill the rat

nimble token
#

how the heck did he break my shield and poison me at the same time

#

this is wayy too hard

vital night
#

you can heal from the poison at the yellow pools

nimble token
#

peer pressure or strong drink

rose nexus
#

Strong drink

nimble token
#

it doesnt heal

rose nexus
#

PP is bad

#

Strong drink is amazing

nimble token
#

i agree

rose nexus
#

Although you might not even survive until the next fountain here

vital night
#

esp in styx

nimble token
rose nexus
#

But peer pressure is just not good

vital night
#

pp is actively detrimental

nimble token
#

i have 27 health, if i heal ill do better on the rest of them

vital night
#

oh lmao

rose nexus
#

How do coins heal you

vital night
#

you could've had 50 health

rose nexus
#

You’re counting on a well showing up I guess

nimble token
rose nexus
#

I mean, maybe you can

#

If a well shows up

#

And has a healing item

nimble token
#

oh i found a fountain lol

#

at the end of the coin thing

#

and a bag for cerberus

#

and 160 coins

rose nexus
#

Tada

#

Now you get to go die to the real boss

nimble token
#

should i save, get max health, or artemis boon? i have 224 coins

#

i have 160 health rn

rose nexus
#

Health

vital night
nimble token
rose nexus
#

Free

vital night
#

you don't get fountains at the end though

nimble token
#

i need more items and health

rose nexus
#

That rat that did 100 damage to you would like to discuss your use of the term free

vital night
#

but you're more likely to lose 50 health

nimble token
vital night
#

should've taken the health 2nd

rose nexus
#

I would highly suggest you skip the rest of the tunnels so you can reach the surface for the first time

nimble token
#

i need to execute them all

nimble token
rose nexus
#

This unlocks some stuff you won’t get if you die in the tunnels

nimble token
#

im in the skull with red arrow

brittle viper
#

oh dear

vital night
#

oh well

rose nexus
#

🪦

nimble token
#

🪦

brittle viper
#

we tried

#

and by we i mean you

nimble token
#

THERES A RAT

brittle viper
#

indeed

#

there tends to be rats in styx

rose nexus
#

It’s so over

nimble token
#

wow i killed two rats and took 2 damage.. im adapting

#

😈

#

wow i finished the whole thing and only went to 155 hp

#

oh and its healed hella

#

since i got a 50+ max health heart

#

now im at 205 hp and have 235 max health

brittle viper
#

cool now you should give cerb the sack

nimble token
#

now im on a confidence rush and im gonna do the rest

#

🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦😈

brittle viper
nimble token
#

THIS GAME IS DUMB

#

BRO MY KEYBOARD LITERALLY STOPPED WORKING AND IT MADE ME STAND STILL WITH POISON ON ME AND I TOOK 30 DAMAGE

#

oH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

nimble token
#

my death defied just got used by an armored rat

brittle viper
#

mhm.

#

you got cocky

rose nexus
vital night
#

Bro should’ve just kept going

#

99% of 5 tunnelers stop tunneling right before their game breaking build gets online

rose nexus
#

Right

#

I just need one more boon bro and then I’ll be unstoppable!

#

Just one more boon bro cmon bro

brittle viper
#

waiting for them to say they died

nimble token
#

nope

#

but im on 25 hp out of 235 and i got the poseidon boon

#

i traded 200 hp for a poseidon bono

#

i think it was def worth it

rose nexus
#

(It was not)

nimble token
#

😁

#

should i do the pomegranate too!?

rose nexus
#

Sure, then you can die and we can be done helping

nimble token
#

lvl 5 epic tempest strike which replaces my lvl 5 rare drunken strike, flood shot, or tidal dash?

rose nexus
#

Tidal dash

nimble token
#

should i choose artemis aid

#

i bought her boon with my coins

rose nexus
#

Sure why not

nimble token
#

oh so 28hp vs hades?

#

is there anything funny he does that i should be expecting? because i was able to win against the minotaur and spear guy with 20 hp by playing super slowly and passively and just constantly staying blocking with my shield and having my bull rush being my onyl damage

#

is that possible here

#

okay so im dead

#

what do i do with my titan blood and ambrosia and diamond

proper furnace
#

After you gift enough nectar and do some quest for the character you start gifting ambrosia instead

nimble token
#

oh

#

okay

proper furnace
#

Ambrosia can also be traded directly for titan blood in the lounge

nimble token
#

where do i unlock weapons

#

bc i just got to hades fight and died

#

and havent unlocked anything new yet

proper furnace
#

In the courtyard where you start your runs

nimble token
#

ik but like

#

theres 2 imsing slots

proper furnace
#

Unlock all available and the rest show up

nimble token
#

dude

#

i just got nourished soul available for a boon

#

theres no way this thing isnt s tier

#

thats insane

nimble token
#

i have 30 keys unused

proper furnace
#

Is a joke boon for most people bouldy

nimble token
#

seriously?

#

should i take rare nourished soul, rare mistral dash, or epic crystal beam

proper furnace
#

Mostly for certain context but it also doesn't do much