h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

No. Tbf, that’s gilga 😁🔫

Gilga can be fun but it was also mad agony for the other 85% of runs

[potent tree]

Since jazz isn't around, I'll do it 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

That felt dirty

[jolly chasm]

Tip on how to summon Jazz from the abyss, say Hera is better than Beo

[hard steppe]

i can already feel a huuuge difference with aph attack holy

[potent tree]

Now be luckier! Get Double-Edge!

[hard steppe]

[jolly chasm]

🗿

[plain river]

Idk why that’d matter it’s true

Beo is like easily the least skiled weapom in the game 🙄Jazz really needs to up her game and start using smthing like Zag sword or Talos

to get better fr

is this where I us e a /s

[jolly chasm]

You have no idea how badly I want to ping Jazz rn

[plain river]

I don’t want the holy wrath of Jazzimothy the 2nd, heir to the Hades 2 speedrunning thrown

Someone needs to tell Jazz that Zag sword gets a boost to RD damage from it’s extra movespeed

new meta aspect fr

[jolly chasm]

fr just start plume (bigp is terrifed of this statement)

[plain river]

Imagine Beo but you had 15% more rd damage

[jolly chasm]

15% is clearly what is holding Jazz back from WR

[plain river]

Just hit the boons

god keepsakes are only good for that rarity chance anyways just high roll it fr

[jolly chasm]

Just make sure not to quitout like BigP did 😂

[plain river]

goodness I hope no unsuspecting newbies are in chat lurking

Full disclaimer half the stuff I’ve said has been a joke

in the last 10 minutes

[jolly chasm]

This is why we do need Jazz in this server

[vital night]

plume tart, butterfly aspho, distant memory ely, and feather duster styx

[jolly chasm]

Bracer styx trust

[vital night]

true

[plain river]

no I need the dodge chance for Hades can we swap bracer and plume

[jolly chasm]

no

[plain river]

[jolly chasm]

Bracer gang rise up (I have never once used Bracer)

[vital night]

surely you had to max every keepsake

[jolly chasm]

Damn you right, I forgor

[prime grove]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[willow fossil]

The only reason I ever used God keepsakes

[ruby coral]

Yo how can I have the shotgun gun that fires 12 shots

I have the aspect of Hestia

Did they remove it?

[proper furnace]

hestia is the sniper/action rifle

[ruby coral]

Yeah

But it doesn’t shoot 12 shots at once

[proper furnace]

do you mean spread fire with zag rail pehaps

close range shots, -6 bullets

or delta chamber, 3 burst shot with inf ammo

[ruby coral]

No I’ve seen multiple videos ppl having the gun with aspect of hestia at spawn it’s a shotgun

with zero upgrades

[proper furnace]

the only "shotgun" hammer would be the spread fire upgrade

hestia always shoots a single bullet on manual reload

[potent tree]

Link the video!

[ruby coral]

aight

[ruby coral]

https://youtu.be/qS2t_W3bu9A?feature=shared

[proper furnace]

no yeah that just the reloaded bullet

it looks like a shotgun cuz they are using it point blank

you need to press the reload button yourself, doesn't work if you use the clip then let the auto reload work

[ruby coral]

Bro he is using a shotgun at spawn

12 shots at once

I have a machine gun

[potent tree]

He's not using 12 shots at once: he's just reloading so fast you just barely get to see the magazine displaying "11/12"

[ruby coral]

But how is he using a shotgun?

I have the same weapon maxed out

aspect of hestia

and it shoots like a machine gun

am i missing something?

[proper furnace]

Press reload, first bullet will have increased dmg

Then you reload again and shoot again

There's literally nothing else

[ruby coral]

Bro you either trolling or trolling

idk man

[proper furnace]

They just shoot one bullet at reload again

[ruby coral]

He has a 12 gauge shotgun, I have a machine gun 😭

[proper furnace]

You are the one that uses the rest of the ammo

[proven nexus]

anyone got any good spear builds

ive got achilies spear

but idk if its a good wepon or not

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/qS2t_W3bu9A?t=55s you can see them here reloading super fast between shots

Ammo count goes 12/12 > 11/12 for a split second

[proven nexus]

prob some boons

[ruby coral]

bro he is shooting with a SHOTGUN

[potent tree]

I said this, but Schmoovements didn't listen

[proper furnace]

I give up

[ruby coral]

My weapon shoots one bullet after the other

[ruby coral]

Yall trolling man

[proper furnace]

Are you doing the manual reload

Or do you only hold attack

[ruby coral]

it’s not about the reload

the dude has a shotgun

[potent tree]

Ur mom has a shotgun

No, but seriously

[ruby coral]

nah man srsly like why

[potent tree]

Slow the video down and look at his ammo count

[ruby coral]

I didn’t bring your family into this

[potent tree]

He fires a single shot, presses Reload, dashes around a bit, then fires a single shot, presses Reload, then fires a single shot, etc.

[proper furnace]

Start cast of choice (ares/athena usually work) then find the respective god for the duo (artemis/zeus attack)

You can also start tidal dash then force the next god based on what you get

[proven nexus]

ah im trying to get hades spear as well

[proper furnace]

Flurry jab is the best hammer for achilles

[proven nexus]

im normally gettting doom

[proven nexus]

yh i never get that

[ruby coral]

I’m not talking about a reload. The guy has a shotgun and I have a machine gun.

[potent tree]

You're not listening

Are you unable to stop holding the Attack button or something?

[ruby coral]

is this a hades mod or something?

[jolly chasm]

what

[potent tree]

You do know there's a dedicated button for reloading, right?

[ruby coral]

yeah I know

[potent tree]

I'm going to explain one last time. If you don't understand, that's on you

1. Fire a single bullet by pressing the Attack button very briefly
2. Press the reload button
3. Dash around a bit to cancel the reload animation
4. Repeat

[jolly chasm]

Btw, do you have aspect of Hestia unlocked

[vital night]

After you press reload, the next attack is really strong. That’s all there is to it.

[proper furnace]

And if you do, is it currently equipped

[ruby coral]

so you are saying he is using only the empowered shot

the first shot

only

[jolly chasm]

Yes

Only the first shot

[ruby coral]

what an idiot

wasn’t hard to explain that

lmfao

[potent tree]

Why do you think we've been emphasizing that the ammo counter only drops to 11/12?

[jolly chasm]

They DID explain it

[potent tree]

For posterity: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627213690306822163/1250137284259348490/image.png?ex=6669d892&is=66688712&hm=d968d92138d2dbff37838caea51121f8f06b06c9efe3515093df5e59eb6a143f&

[willow fossil]

the shotgun is a hammer, and it has nothing to do with the ability to reload

[potent tree]

Don't bother, Mr. CarrotGuy. I think we're being trolled

[willow fossil]

i think hes genuinely lost

[ruby coral]

Nah you didn’t explain it properly

[willow fossil]

ok, new person here, what do you want to know

[ruby coral]

you went on explaining the mechanics of a reload 😭 instead of just saying “he is using the first bullet, the empowered one”

[willow fossil]

ok, he is using the first bullet, the empowered one

[potent tree]

Here's what you saidhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627213690306822163/1250138161762275399/image.png?ex=6669d964&is=666887e4&hm=932346538866f4f5f5ddfac5f777d1f96b1661f6513cbfb224f90c669ee96946&

We explained how he's not using 12 shots in one go and is, in fact, just firing one bullet, then reloading, then firing one bullet, then reloading, etc.

[jolly chasm]

.

[potent tree]

Is English not your primary language?

[willow fossil]

yes, a trigger with the shotgun hammer still shoots one bullet

regardless of shotgun pellets logics

[ruby coral]

nah you are just a genuine idiot 🤣

[willow fossil]

is alright, i believe we answered the question

calls for enough no?

[potent tree]

Yeah, is almost certainly a troll

[willow fossil]

seems like it now

[ruby coral]

Wasn’t hard to say he’s using the first bullet only.

but eh what do I know

you stumble on a alot of jerks out of nowhere

[willow fossil]

seems like he did to me

yeah pretty much a troll, got it

[potent tree]

Quoting myself from earlier in the conversation for anybody wandering in and wanting some context: He fires a single shot, presses Reload, dashes around a bit, then fires a single shot, presses Reload, then fires a single shot, etc.

[ruby coral]

.

[willow fossil]

youre ignoring the point, as expected

[lucid oar]

hello hades 1 builds and combat channel

[willow fossil]

hi

[jolly chasm]

Anyway, what is your favorite build in Hades 1 everybody?

[potent tree]

Zagbow. So simple and elegant

[lucid oar]

shotgun rail build of course

[jolly chasm]

Zag rail is the Goat

[ruby coral]

He didn’t mention the empowered first shot once but talked about the reload mechanics only.

[willow fossil]

alright, we did now

no point dwelling in the past

rekt

[ruby coral]

[willow fossil]

its been so long since ive actually crafted a build myself, i kinda just forgor

[potent tree]

With the way certain boons are extremely centralizing, it's rather difficult to craft unique builds anyway

[round umbra]

Crush shot hera feels nice to play and has enough diversity in boons that can enhance it to keep me happy.

[jolly chasm]

Hera

[round umbra]

That and Zeus on Eris are most of my runs. Hunting blade Achilles sometimes. ME fists or lightning fists are fun too.

[proper furnace]

Trippy beo

[potent tree]

👀 I didn't know there were significant variations on Crush Shot Hera

[round umbra]

Snow burst, hyper delivery, quick reload, recall, parting shot, fully loaded, and mirage shot are all really nice to have. And something for the special if using DC can be nice.

[potent tree]

For most enemies, I'd imagine you'd want to Snow Burst away the DC instead of using the Special. Does that sound reasonable?

Though if DC somehow got higher than 2 stacks, I can definitely see a case for using the Special

[worn solar]

Thats called firing a bolt action sniper point blank

[potent tree]

Careful! You might get called an idiot for stating that the speedrunner is firing a single shot then immediately reloading instead of stating that the speedrunner is firing the first, empowered shot

[worn solar]

Or maybe hestia is a pump action sniper whatever that supposed to be how even does that reload work

[potent tree]

Magic bolt-action rifle

[ruby coral]

Stop acting smart, you’re just flat out stupid. And when you got called out you went mad 😭

It aight to be stupid sometimes, but all the time is the issue.

[potent tree]

LOL

[ruby coral]

Bro you are still at it 🤣 everyone moved on

[potent tree]

I wish jazz was here. Would be hilarious

[ruby coral]

So next time make sure to choose appropriate wording

[potent tree]

This is incredible

[ruby coral]

Yeah you are insane lmfao

[worn solar]

bruh moment

[round umbra]

I mean yeah, but sometimes no snurst

[potent tree]

Yeah, you're absolutely right

[round umbra]

It isn't easy finding an excuse to use the special

I think I might try some runs where all the enemy and environment difficulty is turned up but with no zag weakening. Seems a fun way to play for making pretty builds.

[jolly chasm]

Vorime dad fight strats with pos special on Hera go pretty hard

[potent tree]

Interesting! Is the Pos Special for applying Razor Shoals to all the heads?

[jolly chasm]

No, the strat is because Pos special has knockback, you can push dad up against a wall to wallbug in between phases

One of Croven's WR used this strat

I think it was the 4:47

[potent tree]

Oh what. I totally managed to misread "dad" as "Lernie" somehow

Found the Croven clip! https://youtu.be/Whwlday4C2g?t=823

[ruby coral]

he cancels the reload animation by dashing.

He can do that with using cast or the special too

insane weapon with the butterfly keepsake if you ain’t getting hit.

Like getting at least 20% increased dmg and the. you can switch the keepsake

Prolly will be easy with this build to get Skelly’s third statue.

[vital night]

if you switch the keepsake, you lose the bonus so unfortunately butterfly isn't the best for hestia

And it also isn't that much extra damage compared to other keepsakes even if you kept it on

[potent tree]

Plus 20% additive via Butterfly is a really small bonus that comes with a huge opportunity cost of not using better keepsakes

[ruby coral]

Oh fr ?

Darn it

Yeah but still the rail is op

You can literally dodge everything

With the special upgrades

[vital night]

the two broad ways to approach hestia are to start tidal dash and look for big % boosts on attack/special, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, ricochet, piercing, targeting OR start aphrodite attack and ricochet/piercing

yeah rail is strong

[ruby coral]

Also Skelly companion with the Rail

[vital night]

nice stuff to have: hunter dash, battle rage, hypersprint+rush delivery

skelly companion sucks

[willow fossil]

skelly companion

[vital night]

99% of the time you'll want to use meg

[potent tree]

DPS is king!

[willow fossil]

shady my beloved

[vital night]

mort and antos have some niche uses, shady is alright, while dusa and skelly suck

[willow fossil]

mort just takes 3 business days to land

[ruby coral]

Depends on how you are playing with how much heat.

[willow fossil]

antos is cool for champions

[vital night]

no skelly sucks regardless of heat

[willow fossil]

it sucks

[vital night]

meg damage/time to land is pretty much unrivaled

[willow fossil]

dusa is cute and all, but it also sucks

[potent tree]

So very cute. I love the little pssssp noises that the gorgons make

[vital night]

i don't think i've ever used anything other than meg, but i'm not sure

[willow fossil]

ive used all of them only once, now only shady

[mellow wharf]

I like Shady for random health/money even if he falls off in the Hades fight

[willow fossil]

1k dmg, plus healing, yeah ill take it

[vital night]

the LC4 in question

[willow fossil]

night spindles pay for themselves

[ruby coral]

5 Skelly’s summons doesn’t suck

[willow fossil]

bruh

[vital night]

yes it does

[willow fossil]

i cant do this

you do know you get 5 of all of them, not just skelly, right?

[vital night]

^

[willow fossil]

you can have all skellies you want, you can only use it once per room

[vital night]

in what context do you think skelly outperforms a near instant 2500 damage

[potent tree]

Hades's comments about Bouldy alone make Shady worthwhile

[willow fossil]

facts

IS THAT A BLASTED BOULDER FROM THE SKY

[ruby coral]

I don’t need a dmg companion

[willow fossil]

ok, anyway

[vital night]

your call ig

but 2500 less health in a boss is much less time that they have to kill you

[jolly chasm]

That pun was not funny Dragon

[vital night]

there's consistent meg setups for all of the minibosses and heroes which immensely speed up those fights

[willow fossil]

you can like something, that doesnt make it any less garbage. i speak from experience here, just take a peek at my name

[vital night]

and it literally prevents you from dying in powercouple

[vital night]

AP2 isn't garbage. There's situations in which it's optimal

[jolly chasm]

MM powercouple is an absolute nightmare

[vital night]

yeah it sucks

[willow fossil]

well yeah, if you just roll perfect everytime

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital night]

nah like 50+ heat

[willow fossil]

at that point you kinda dont have much choice anyway

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, I think I could get speedrun WR if I just rolled perfectly you know

[ruby coral]

Is there any point beating more than 32 heat?

[willow fossil]

am i going to stop using ap2? of course not, i like it. I am still aware it simply sucks for the most part

[willow fossil]

pride

[jolly chasm]

Fun

[vital night]

clout, contesting community records, fun

[ruby coral]

[willow fossil]

about the same as beating heat 32 , theres not even an achievement for that

[ruby coral]

it doesn’t grant any achievement.

[willow fossil]

i said that, yes

[vital night]

i think the game starts to get really fun above 40, but it's up to your preferences

[ruby coral]

But at least it gives you something

[willow fossil]

beating heat 40 puts it as your record, thats gives you something

[vital night]

idk, there doesn't have to be an in game reward for doing something

[willow fossil]

yeah welcome to modern gaming

fun is no longer the driving factor

[vital night]

most people stop at 32 because it's what the game recognizes, which is perfectly valid

[willow fossil]

you need a reason to do stuff

hell look at league players, they dont even like the game, they just gotta grind

[ruby coral]

nope but obsession is a sickness

[vital night]

guilty as charged

but i'd rather be playing something i find fun than play something because i feel compelled in the absence of fun

[jolly chasm]

Anyway, Hades the videogame, what does everybody think?

[willow fossil]

yeah, we are in the minority here

is a game

[tight basin]

For fun lmao

[jolly chasm]

Good game trust

[willow fossil]

kinda good if you ask me

[ruby coral]

Brilliant game. Hopefully, Hades 2.0 gonna be better.

[jolly chasm]

Can confirm, Hades 2 good

[willow fossil]

so far, is shaping up to be

[ruby coral]

graphics, voice acting, dialogue, game system ... they nailed it.

[willow fossil]

stickybot boutta come smite you down for sinning

[jolly chasm]

'twas you who got smited

[ruby coral]

Yeah early access making a lot of noise so far. But I prefer waiting for the official release.

[willow fossil]

[jolly chasm]

👍

[ruby coral]

Supergiant Games ain’t no small company like Team Cherry.

[potent tree]

They're still quite a small studio

[jolly chasm]

Silksong will come out someday (I hope)

[ruby coral]

Those guys at TC are couple of ppl working on the game (silksong) for a decade. Prolly treating the game as a side gig

[plain river]

They’re superGIANT games dude

They’re massive

[potent tree]

The accusation is a bit unfounded, no?

[ruby coral]

Accusation? What accusation

[ruby coral]

Indeed

[potent tree]

I mean it's probably not great to state that TC's treating what's probably their second passion project as a "side gig"

[ruby coral]

Where is the accusation?

[ruby coral]

is English your primary language

[potent tree]

Yes. My grasp of English is good enough to edit college and med school application essays with great success

Was an English tutor for a few years

[ruby coral]

When did I accuse them of treating the game as a side gig?

I was speculating

They either lazy or actually treating the project as a side gig. No news or anything for years.

[potent tree]

Also, my asking you if English is your primary language was meant entirely seriously and without snark or sarcasm

[willow fossil]

whats wrong with that message

[ruby coral]

You said that “I’m accusing them” when I literally said “They’re probably”

[potent tree]

He's quoting my question back at me from the really confusing conversation a little while ago

[ruby coral]

You want to discuss semantics

[willow fossil]

nvm i see where this is going once again, ill be back if hades is back on the menu, since english isnt even my first language

[potent tree]

CarrotGuy, could I get your opinion? Is it a faux pas to ask whether English is someone's primary language here, where a lot of people are from countries whose primary language isn't English?

[ruby coral]

Nothing wrong with that. But his reading comprehension is kinda lacking

[willow fossil]

i could say the same about yours

[willow fossil]

anyway, i think it was a fair question, since there was clearly a lack of understanding

[potent tree]

That's a relief. Thanks, CarrotGuy. Was hoping I hadn't done a hecking snark when I didn't mean to

[willow fossil]

i take this back, your reading comprehension isnt bad, you just seemed like you refused to read at all

[potent tree]

Looking back at the conversation, I certainly could've been less brusque toward the end, though I won't admit to having being unclear

[willow fossil]

you were being clear, like i said, is like they just refused to read

[plain river]

“They’re probably” doesn’t excuse it from being an accusation

[willow fossil]

omg hi shackle :3

[ruby coral]

It depends on how you interpret whatever I said.

But @potent tree so hurt

[potent tree]

Don't project at me

[ruby coral]

You need to chill

[willow fossil]

your laughing emojis show whos really hurt lmfao

[ruby coral]

do some Hades runs, reloading … you know 🤣

[plain river]

I have no clue about the dev team of silksong or any of this, but I can’t see any substantive evidence pointing to the devs being lazy or treating it as a side job. There are more reasons than those 2 for project delays

[ruby coral]

Nah believe me he’s helluva hurt

[willow fossil]

so are you

you cant drop it

[ruby coral]

Yeah are there are no evidence they’re still working on the game.

[willow fossil]

theres no evidence they arent either

[ruby coral]

Silksong might be canceled.

[ruby coral]

I literally moved on but the dude still tick tacking on everything I say 🤣

[willow fossil]

there was no evindence sgg was working on hades 2, here we are

almost a full game

[plain river]

You definitely sound like someone who’s moved on. definitely. For sure.

He’s the one who’s ticktacking on everything being said rn for sure.

[ruby coral]

Yeah, you see SGG delivered the sequel 4 years later without bragging about it.

[willow fossil]

packrat aint even here no more, yet you still yapping about him

[ruby coral]

Oh he’s still here 🤣

[willow fossil]

clearly

living rent free in your head

if you dont wanna move on, go ahead, this is getting boring

[ruby coral]

.

[willow fossil]

mate that was over 2 hrs ago

yeah im gone

https://tenor.com/view/aspen-fire-fire-place-aspen-wood-gif-13203980

[ruby coral]

Then he replied to me, twisting my words about accusing TC 🤣 and he still at it

[plain river]

wha

Still at it?

[willow fossil]

@ruby coral

[plain river]

If anyone is still at anything

[willow fossil]

im moving on

pls dont @ me for this no more

[ruby coral]

Sure, don’t meddle in things you ain’t part of again

[plain river]

You’re butt hurt and bringing up things he has said in the past when you were wrong and trying to twist them to make them look bad. You’re still talking about him far after he left the conversation. You call him butthurt and this and that yet it’s literally everything you’ve done projected onto him. I won’t take this packrat slander

[willow fossil]

aight get blocked, troll

[plain river]

There’s no point to talking further on this matter.

[vital night]

anyways, let's get back to talking about how much skelly companion sucks

[willow fossil]

so much

even if you had 10 skellies

[vital night]

ok but 10 dusas

now we're talking

[willow fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329

[potent tree]

Can you imagine the sheer pssssp pssssp pssssp that would ensue

[willow fossil]

music to my ears

[hard steppe]

what do u build with guan yu spear

this thing looks like it sucks

[potent tree]

Charged Skewer + Aphrodite or Artemis for easy pew pew throws

[hard steppe]

ight

[plain river]

The spins a bit harder to try to make work properly

[potent tree]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[hard steppe]

where tf did u find this

[plain river]

It’s been floating around for a few years now

[jolly chasm]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide

[hard steppe]

true, forgot this game is years old

[willow fossil]

we did not deserve nyaanyaa

[plain river]

Gone but not forgotten 🫡

[willow fossil]

the legacy remains

[faint vessel]

god

just had my first 32 heat run beaten

took me 5 tries until i got the combination i wanted

was quite easy once i got

aspect of eris delta chamber zeus

i know a lot of people don't like delta, but it clicks with me

[potent tree]

I think a lot of heat runners quite like Delta Chamber for giving iframes while Dash-Striking

[proper furnace]

Yeah delta is comfy

[vital night]

Delta good yeah

[turbid needle]

Who gives the best boons for the gauntlets?

Like top 3 gods

[potent tree]

Athena + Ares, then Zeus

[plain river]

Although like

never a great question

[jolly chasm]

Arty is 4th

But others are good

[plain river]

🤨

What

I mean as a third god on merciful end sure

[potent tree]

Support Fire awww yeeeaahh

[plain river]

Aphrodite has big synergy with zeus for smair

Poseidon has tidal dash

[jolly chasm]

For fists, best builds are ZAP( Zeus, ARTY, pos), and best godpool for ME is ares, Athena, Zeus and Arty

[plain river]

zeus fists is artemis? goodness

I’d always been doing the smair route

[jolly chasm]

Arty special is best, aphro is also good

[jolly chasm]

It is less of a Smair build and more of a RD build

[plain river]

Yeah but smair fits right in with flat damage soup

[jolly chasm]

Counterpoint, I have seen Arty special cutter do over 3k damage with explosive upper

Arty special can get a little busted, also ROD

[plain river]

counterpoint I’ve seen arthur do 3k big whoop

[jolly chasm]

But it was like fast

It did not take 7 years to wind up

[plain river]

Ed I am not having a blast with zag sword shackle rn

Recommend me an aspect

I’ve only got gilga crossed off my list

[jolly chasm]

I have chosen to be a merciful god, Hestia

[plain river]

K

Actually let me check something real quick

[plain river]

I have 4 clears with hestia in

262 clears

the only aspect lower is chaos

With triple bomb on hestia am I looking for special or strike dmg

[jolly chasm]

Both is fine

[plain river]

Got +114% dstrike so

[jolly chasm]

welp that's an easy choice

[plain river]

curse of agony woah don’t mind if I d-

Oh battle rage is actually nice here

[plain river]

569 dash strikes are crazy

This is like arthur is arthur was fast

and ranged

and just take arthur and make it 4 times better by fixing every issue it has

[pearl rampart]

If I equip distant memory keepsake with hunting blades will the keepsake increase the hunting blades damage if I am far enough away?

[plain river]

Tbh I don’t know, and that’s purely because distant memory kinda… isn’t a keepsake that gets used

ever

[pearl rampart]

Yeah

[plain river]

It should

from everything I understand about how it works

But I couldn’t tell you for certain

[pearl rampart]

Yeah I was feeling about the same

Thx tho

[plain river]

If you’re trying to boost your damage by keepsakes the only real way to do it is thru god keepsakes to force a good build into place, or by taking ||Hades keepsake|| when you don’t have a call on a few select aspects that make use of it really well

I mean hourglass technically to take buffs all the way to dad fight

[pearl rampart]

True probably will do

Thx

[unreal saffron]

What's the best shield aspect?

[plain river]

Beowulf for speed , zeus for heat, and quick sidenote but chaos is easily the 4th best shield aspect in every category aside from “# of shields thrown at once”

Wait

Mixed up my speed and heat while typing

[tight basin]

beo is still better/stronger than zeus at heat until like past 50 lmao

[plain river]

It’s strong but I think zeus is still safer like eris v hesti tradeoff

[tight basin]

beo is safe bc they're all dead lmao

at the higher heats, it gets harder to one shot things so zeus becomes better since it's more consistent and safer

and you dont have to deal with iframe bugs

[worn solar]

Beo isnt really less safe until 50+ cuz that when you have to take em4

[nimble canyon]

if you fight charon does the next chamber stay the same as it woulda been leaving the shop or nah

also i have routine inspection 1 on and i still get a dice when i pick up a key

[plain river]

Nah

[plain river]

Yep

That’s how it works

I wouldn’t advising keeping routine inspection on for heat if you’re at low heat since it takes away so much of your rng swinging power from those 3 sets of mirror upgrades though

[nimble canyon]

yeah i just did it for the prophecy nbd

[nimble canyon]

how do the odds on mystery boons work

[vital night]

What mystery boons?

[willow fossil]

pretty sure they are talking abotu random boon on shop

[vital night]

Oh

Idk if you can get Hermes from them. If not, it’s probably 1/8 until you have your god pool and then 1/4-5 after that

[willow fossil]

ive never gotten a hermes myself

[nimble canyon]

whats the best aspect for sword

[vital night]

nemesis

[nimble canyon]

makes sense

and pos seems like the worst

[plain river]

I mean at least pos gives you a bonus

Zag sword’s only matters if you hit rush delivery which I mean you’re aiming for rush delivery anyways but I digress

[proper furnace]

pos is for when you don't wanna play sword but want sword wins

[vital night]

zagsword tdash is funny but yeah it's mostly weak nem

[nimble canyon]

can picking a diff god boon when ur pool is 4 give you a 5th

[worn solar]

Yep

[plain river]

Yeah note that you now have a 1/5 chance of seeing any gods in your pool atp, succeedingly worsened for each extra god you add. Wouldn’t recommend unless you need that god for your build and got forced into a 4 god pool you don’t want

[nimble canyon]

im just tryin to see them for some quests

[nimble canyon]

what special boons are best for chiron

[plain river]

Typically split between hangover and +% goddesses

If your chiron is lower level the answer is just hangover

hangover takes aphrodite strike afterwards for low tolerance and puts all the poms it can onto the drunken flourish

otherwise you can do smthing like aphrodite strike artemis special find more +% from chaos, this really sky rockets it’s single target dps with both concentrated and relentless volley, although

even with those single target dps numbers you’ll still have to deal with the lack of innate aoe capabilities and the slowness of chiron

(Compared to other bows putting out those dps numbers without those issues)

[nimble canyon]

yeah i was thinking pos in some slot for aoe

[plain river]

Tidal dash is your go to aoe damage boon

if you need it on a weapon

it’s also just best dps dash (not counting divine dash for merciful end builds)

[nimble canyon]

sounds good ty

[plain river]

And last tidbit, chiron is one of the weapons that actually considers taking swift flourish due to how slow it is hyper sprint -> rush delivery still gives great damage but swift flourish is a good-ish cope option

[brisk adder]

Is it worth trying to get build merciful end on Gilgamesh? Or is there a better way to build it?

[proper furnace]

That's its best build

You can do dash only if you want some different flavor

[brisk adder]

Ah I'm glad I'm on the right track, what do you need to get merciful end? Ares attack and Athena special or something?

[proper furnace]

Correct

Start ares, find athena (hopefully special first) then duo and dash

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

Does any dash do or is tidal dash or Athena dash best?

[proper furnace]

Athena

You need special for the duo but to actually use ME you want the dash

[brisk adder]

Rng gods have been good, got both before end of aspho

[plain river]

Athena dash enables immediate doom drop on dash strikes

[brisk adder]

Yeah I got it, was very OP.

[plain river]

It’s the crux to ME

[winged niche]

is k+m recommended over controller for lucifer for any reason? (haven't actually played with it yet)

[plain river]

No clue, luci works just fine for me on controller

[willow fossil]

ima say yes, cause you know, being able to aim

[winged niche]

yea i was wondering about targetting the hellfire orb cause autoaim doesnt like it?

[worn solar]

You just kite stuff into it, its mostly fine

[willow fossil]

yeah is not unplayable lol

[winged niche]

yea reasonable, thanks!

[nimble canyon]

if ur doing zeus fists is gods pride better

[half radish]

I’m doing an Hera Aphrodite cast build, should I take point blank shot, concentrated volley, or explosive shot

I don’t think any of them are the best but like out of those

[vital night]

Yeah for jolted rarity

[proper furnace]

Pride in general is better

[vital night]

Point blank

[plain river]

Pride is pretty much always better than legacy

[half radish]

okay ty

[vital night]

Explosive is actively detrimental, volley does nothing

[half radish]

mb

[plain river]

Pointblank is just a good hammer

[half radish]

I meant perfect shot 😭

not pb

[plain river]

perfect shot is also just a good hammer

It does lock you out of flurry but your other options

are kinda mid

[half radish]

okay ty

[plain river]

-detrimental

[tight basin]

Explosive on Hera is fine

Other than you can't get flurry on your second hammer lmao

But you're ideally min charging anyways

So explosive isn't bad it's pretty solid

[vital night]

Yeah but it’s slower to get the casts out at range

[tight basin]

Then don't get them out at range lmao

But I still wouldn't call it detrimental

[half radish]

same build but this time it’s either chain shot, point blank, or charged volley

[vital night]

Yeah that’s less safe tho

[scarlet girder]

Are there any meta keybinds for using an xbox controller? or standards controls do fine?

[proper furnace]

Most people rebind reload to a shoulder button for rail (or cast in specific weapons)

Other than that not really, experiment with what you are comfortable with

[brisk adder]

Lightning phalanx build or hunting blades build for Achilles?

[vital night]

Whichever you like better

They’re both strong

Ice wine is also a good pick

[brisk adder]

How do you build ice wine?

[tight basin]

Dio cast, Demeter somewhere else but attack, get the duo, and then grab a good attack somewhere else lmao

Epic Dem atk is fine kinda

[vital night]

yeah

doesn't really matter where dem goes

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[plain river]

Tbh there’e quite a bit of viability to starting tidal dash and just building whichever you find

[brisk adder]

Not a bad idea actually, will try it out 🙂

[brisk adder]

Best way to build guan yu?

[potent tree]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[scarlet girder]

I'm struggling to improve my speed. On average, I'm clearing Elysium around the 9 minute mark, which just isnt fast enough. Then I watch people on youtube clearly Tart and As inside of 4 minutes?! wth >.<

[potent tree]

Have you already seen the speedrun basics guide? https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI?si=UPiTF4AJ5lrdaNoq
Which weapon(s) are you playing, and how are you building them?

[scarlet girder]

Yeah I have watched it, and I have been practicing implementing the things in the guide.

For context, I'm trying to beat 12:09 with achilles spear, and I am not allowed to use Flurry jab. So Aiming for a serrated point build.

I'm quicker than I was in tart before I began, but I keep losing huge chunks of time in elysium, and I usually keep losing a dd where I probably shouldnt be.

I am progressing, I'm just frustrated lol

I recognise its probably a practice thing, but I just cleared Tart in 2.46. So compared to the pro's, that's 46 seconds I somehow have to shear off

[scarlet girder]

or i get crappy rng, like make really good time, but then hav eto go through 4 satyr tunnels

._.

5*

[potent tree]

2:46 Tartarus is pretty good! I've been able to get below 10 minutes off of sub-3 Tartarus before, I think

Don't be too concerned with getting 2-min Tartarus. Are you making sure to stand near corners of rooms to try manipulating enemy spawns? That can help. Other than that, and without more information, I'd say you might need better builds or better gameplay.

Are you able to record your runs?

[lucid oar]

bear in mind that achilles does fall off in elysium even with flurry jab

[mossy jewel]

just started a 32 heat rama run where I got arty attack + aphro special + heart rend as my first three boons in tartarus

lfg

and epic zeus’s aid and smoldering air in asphodel, holy moly

[mossy jewel]

well I lost the run. turns out the dps isn’t so hot without pp/hm or decent attack hammers…

[wanton sedge]

What are recommended 8 and 16 heat configurations for the achievements?

[long escarp]

% on Rama special feels bad

[lethal plover]

Winter Harvest working on bosses feels highly illegal but I'm glad it does

[tender walrus]

Guys how do I use combat battie against hades? I see it in vids but doesn't let me do it

[long escarp]

You need an upgrade from the contractor, idr how to get it to show up

[proper furnace]

Is not from the contractor

Dad gives you permission in a convo directly

[proper furnace]

Need 1 summon from someone that works for dad and 1 summon that doesn't (skelly/ )

Then I think is prob just normal dialogues?

Or prob needs dad at max bond

[lethal plover]

Yeah you have to get a convo from dad that goes "hey you can use them while fighting me now"

[long escarp]

Oh my bad

[unreal saffron]

Is there a maximum allowed number of Duo's allowed?

[proper furnace]

As many as you can unlock

Or not have a duo block the other

[plain river]

There is no hard ingame cap on them

Just the theoretical max you could have

[vital night]

the max is probably given by the number of non-hermes gods you can have in your pool

[plain river]

I mean you can have all 8 in pool as early as the start of elysium but it’s a matter of how many core boons you can swap in and out while finding the duos as soon as possible

[vital night]

how do you get all 8 in the pool lmao

4 in tart, 1 in aspho, 1 in ely

[proper furnace]

3 gods in tart midshop, buy 4th and be offered 5th in the door

[vital night]

oh

[proper furnace]

keepsake the rest from there

[vital night]

has this been done before? not that I don't believe you, but I just feel like that shouldn't be possible

[proper furnace]

natural 5 god pools have happened often for me at least

tho I've never done full pool on purpose

you can in theory also go 3 gods intyo styx and hope for the best lmao

[plain river]

Yes

Also I’m wrong and it’s as early as styx

not elysium

but I digress, trying to 3 gods into styx for an 8 pool leaves too little room for duo obtaining

[long escarp]

I got 9 duos in one run once

[frigid zealot]

anybody have any hades spear builds

[nimble canyon]

can you let the guys in elysium regenerate for a little more gold

[vital night]

you only get gold when you kill the eyes afaik

and there's a gold cap per room anyways

[knotty lark]

What’s everyone’s go to keepsakes for each region?

[vital night]

god keepsake, god keepsake/purse/tooth/earring/hourglass, hourglass/acorn, dad call/acorn

[knotty lark]

stfu bot, ain’t nobody talking bout the sequel

[potent tree]

It was nice knowing you

[unreal escarp]

artemis attack always, just fish for serrated point or quick spin from hammers

[knotty lark]

alright

[plain river]

That’s certainly an option

[vital night]

hades spear kinda sucks but exploding launcher + charged skewer is one of the best builds for it

you can also go serrated/quick spin + zeus attack + tidal dash + static discharge and just general soup

[urban iron]

is flat damage or multiplicative damage better for the attack on the sword

[jolly chasm]

Aphro or arty is best attack for sword, so % is best on attack

[plain river]

Additive +% is best for nem but tbh

The others receive less value from
+% so ~ you can kinda take it both ways

Merciful End always works regardless

[plain river]

Gonna have to lock in with
Tartarus: God Keepsale
Asphodel: Second God Keepsake
Elysium: Hourglass, Acorn, Purse
Styx: Acorn, Dad Call.

[hollow quiver]

Damn why did noone tell me that Demeters cast with a couple of her secondary boons shreds hades.

[ocean steeple]

Grandma beams shred everything

[nimble canyon]

does piercing wave work on dash strikes and is it any good

[plain river]

Yes yes

[nimble canyon]

and do u get two waves with double edge?

seems p good

wow my damage is nuts now

[livid barn]

guys, what build is good for heat 10 (all extreme measures)?

I ain't talking nothing about the sequel

[plain river]

Tbh it’s just going to be whatever is a good build for your aspect of choice normally

[plain river]

StickyBot doesn’t check the contents of your message, it just tries to keep it’s own at the bottom of chat so any incoming Hades II chatters see it and don’t bother us

[livid barn]

does a single phalanx shot work? :D

[plain river]

what aspect are you using

[livid barn]

Achilles

[plain river]

Realistically speaking since you don’t have tight deadline, literally anything works and can do the job but that’s obviously not what you’re asking

Lightning phalanx is a good build on achilles so it’d be a valid choice

[livid barn]

istg the -1 +2 Daedalus item is a Russian Roulette

[jolly chasm]

Anvil is never worth imo

[livid barn]

how can I send an image?

[plain river]

Not really

[potent tree]

Unless you really love gambling and have yet to get the hammers you really want

[jolly chasm]

Send the image to another server or dm a bot, then copy the image link and post it here

[livid barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087397627219419187/1251667331017605170/20240616013731_1.jpg

[plain river]

If you want to dig into the nitty gritty it ain’t

[livid barn]

the situation I'm currently in

lmao

[plain river]

Just keep kiting

Hopefully it’ll work out

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243619224077864990/4th_try_Perfect_Anvil.mp4?ex=666f2328&is=666dd1a8&hm=604afdda8bc6bdea393e7e666ac401c1cd5ac5bbed1bddeec7de3824f628b16f&

This is what I mean by anvil not exactly just being a russian roulette

[livid barn]

I've already used it

not too bad from what I had

aight, time to fight mr. god of the dead with one boon

[plain river]

it’s not a horribly good explanation for how you manipulate the anvil but it is a solid showing of what rng maniping looks like to play

[livid barn]

(there are more boons at the doors, I just don't really care lmao)

I'll tell you how it goes

[worn solar]

Are you doing boonless or something

[livid barn]

yeah

nvm I died 😊

Guys, would you say that Hades aspect is bad?

[tight basin]

Yeah lol

[livid barn]

It's my most used + most clears + most run/clear ratio

I might just be a bit of a fan

[dire nova]

i dont think any aspect is BAD

per se

[tight basin]

You can still be a fan of a bad aspect lmao

[dire nova]

you can win the game w any aspect

[tight basin]

Yeah

[dire nova]

unless 64 heat but

cmon now

[tight basin]

Depending on the challenge run tho then some aspects just absolutely suck

[plain river]

Anything is viable but it’s a matter of functionality and success

[dire nova]

and skill

[tight basin]

Hades spear for boonless is kinda not it

[plain river]

in that regard Hades aspect flops

[tight basin]

Boonless is like a very limited amount of good aspects

[dire nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1251679210154627165/image.png?ex=666f749a&is=666e231a&hm=a2078c9edb17f59efea37f3fac124c3309df0bab78d63b200f0684d6e7b4d0a4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1193&height=671

heheheh

rapid fire coronacht crit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1191645797977169971/1251679639987032135/image.png?ex=666f7501&is=666e2381&hm=b88e3ec0f79726ec49a2820d56ec274ede4cce009e83664c42ab4b9b3bef382a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plain river]

Hold on I got one wackier

[dire nova]

it was surprisingly so very quick to own hades

[livid barn]

That message alone will fuel my attempts to do that exact thing 😭

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1248039454329929768/IMG_8606.jpg?ex=666f65d1&is=666e1451&hm=ac4296fc4f140405fe2e529cbc2c73014a3d5b299d4c425bfce0693bfa8853be&

big brain zag bow build

[dire nova]

double shot allowed for

crit extravaganza

[plain river]

Zap strike kinda goated on zag bow /j

[tight basin]

I mean it's doable

It's just a lot harder than like hestia lmao

[livid barn]

I won't allow myself to reach anything worthy if I'm not using the spear

[plain river]

Even guan-yu will handle better for boonless tbh

much less rng to get exploding launcher

Charged Skewer, freudian slip

[dire nova]

i wonder how good ares with dire misfortune and pummeling with malphon would go

[tight basin]

Instead of dire misfortune just get merciful end lmao

[plain river]

would recommend doom with a few other boons than dire misfotrune

[dire nova]

i know athena dash and allat but cmon

and i just got offered athena instantly

you win

[dapper pilot]

so was anyone going to tell me that charon's attacks all did above 30 damage apiece or was I supposed to just find out for myself

(i knew he hit hard, i just didnt think THAT hard)

[mellow wharf]

He has mad upper-body strength! It's all the rowing

[icy nacelle]

now that I've cleared 40 Heat with little more than True Shot and Divine Dash, I think my word has a little bit more meaning when I say True Shot is the best cast on non-cast builds.

I goddamn love True Shot

[icy nacelle]

yes. I wouldn't touch that piece of garbage with a 10-foot pole.

[vital night]

“Little more than true shot and divine dash” seems to ignore the epic aphro attack on hestia and hazard bomb

True shot probably did like 5% of your dps lol

[icy nacelle]

i legit never used the special

i forgot i had hazard bomb

[vital night]

Missing out then tbh

[icy nacelle]

probably true

[vital night]

Poseidon has the second highest spec additive in the game for some reason

Goes hard on hazard

[icy nacelle]

well yeah duh, I'm taking it just to apply Boiling Blood

and it's the best at doing that

[vital night]

Fair

Ehhh

It tends to seek foes instead of just going in the direction I send it, so I prefer base cast

Also it’s pommable which sucks usually

[icy nacelle]

it's easier to hit on bosses than base cast

and you don't usually need BB in the rest

[vital night]

Usually bosses move towards you so base cast does it well enough

And again I find it tends to seek nearby adds rather than just going in a straight line

[icy nacelle]

why do you want it to go in a straight line anyway

I like that it seeks foes

[vital night]

So that when I want to cast into a boss for BB, it doesn’t seek the adds

Especially bad in dad fight when I’m often far away from him and near adds. I can hit him if my cast goes in a straight line but not if it seeks the adds next to me

[icy nacelle]

I always focus the adds before dad so I find it useful that I can hit adds consistently, especially if they're moving erratically like those things from Elysium

[jolly chasm]

True cast does have a tendency to go in some random ass direction

[icy nacelle]

I do this because the adds tend to chew through my acorn really fast, much faster than dad

[vital night]

I mean it depends on the adds, and they take time to deal with

If I’m in a situation where I’m worried about adds in the dad fight, I’m probably running ricochet start, so I can damage both dad and the adds at the same time but I want any additional additive I have to go into dad, not the adds

[tight basin]

I mean either way true shot isn't like the carry on the build even if for boiling blood lmao

[icy nacelle]

that is true

[jolly chasm]

Piercing shot is also a take if you are afraid of adds

[proper furnace]

Also base cast still has some homing, as weak as it is

[icy nacelle]

I like Piercing a lot, lot more than Ricochet

but it seems like i'm the only one who thinks that

[vital night]

Recent hypermodded hestia 62 took piercing

But I just like ricochet more, my preference

Anyways idk, true shot is like a little bit of potential benefit with the massive downside of eating Poms

[icy nacelle]

Both are great alone, but taking both at the same time isn't preferable

[jolly chasm]

With AP on, you want as few pommable boons as possible

[icy nacelle]

with UC on, you want as many boons as possible

so I grab as many as I can

[jolly chasm]

Notice the word POMMABLE in that sentence

[icy nacelle]

I have noticed it, but most boons are pommable

and ap makes it harder to get non-pommables in the first place

[vital night]

No?

[icy nacelle]

to be fair I only have 1 high heat AP clear so far so I'm not that experienced on AP

[vital night]

You want max 2 boons that are vital to your build

And atleast 1 junk boon

Or save a roll for well

[icy nacelle]

It feels like I always have at least three vitals

Four if i'm not playing Hestia

[vital night]

Shouldn’t be the case for heat builds

[icy nacelle]

two core gods (one for hestia) + divine dash + greatest reflex/hyper sprint

[vital night]

If an aspect needs more than 2 boons to function, chances are it’s not good at heat

[jolly chasm]

Hestia only uses attack, and greatest reflex is the other no sell boon

Everything else is sellable

Even Ddash

[vital night]

Like you can gamble and take more

[icy nacelle]

I've found that I prefer DDash over GReflex

[vital night]

But you need a roll

Meh

[icy nacelle]

which sounds crazy

[vital night]

GR is nice in elysium to get space

[icy nacelle]

two months earlier and I would've sworn by GReflex over DDash

[jolly chasm]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[icy nacelle]

yeah exactly

Divine Dash is so goddamn good

[worn solar]

thats a copypasta

Btw

[icy nacelle]

oh

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, that's a copypasta

[vital night]

Ddash is ok on melee builds

Pretty useless on ranged builds

I think you’d rather have tdash or hunter dash on hestia

[icy nacelle]

not having to avoid projectiles gives you so much time to breathe

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1249889873192685678/Screenshot_255.png?ex=66703267&is=666ee0e7&hm=50816f56152693fee34388b889a8665a8f73f9e33313091c44c7ad7c12f5ab3c& killing everything with tdash gives you more

[icy nacelle]

48

jesus christ

48 with no ap

[jolly chasm]

30% CP for 48 is hella based ngl

[icy nacelle]

ikr?

[jolly chasm]

Pick a weapon I should get 54 heat with

[icy nacelle]

zeus

[vital night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110989242241094/1240483130859720744/image.png?ex=667040b1&is=666eef31&hm=f131ea2592ee85186de204a9e6019daae219b3539d055ca6eba868a50b94967f&

Gilgamesh

[vital night]

This one was Pom hell

[icy nacelle]

what the absolute frick?!

[worn solar]

i did a 50 attempt with ap1 then immediately regretted living so

[vital night]

I love my level 5 pressure points

Hestia is fine with AP2 but you just really suck if your Pom pool fills up too early

[icy nacelle]

i'm not touching ap2 with a 10-foot pole looool

[vital night]

and if you make stupid decisions like keeping pressure points

[dawn linden]

on the aspect of gilgamesh do damage boons like aphro affect maim damage

[tight basin]

I don't think the maim drop damage gets modified by anything but not entirely sure on that

[plain river]

Pretty sure any true global

Like sweet surrender

should apply iirc

[tight basin]

Oh yeah that stuff

Where it makes enemies take more damage

[long escarp]

Wait is sweet surrender multiplicative with things like heartbreak strike

[plain river]

Nqh

It’s true global but it’s still additive

[long escarp]

Lame. But that’s what I’d thought

[clever mason]

Do we have an equation where we can see what dmg goes where? I’m betting vague hand wavy is all we are going to get.

[tight basin]

wdym by what damage goes where

all damage stuff is additive

so like if your base damage is 50, then your damage calc is like
50 x (1.x + 1.y) and whatever the %s are

[potent tree]

Do one for Rush Delivery!

[tight basin]

idk how to do that math ngl lmao

[potent tree]

Aw, okay

[tight basin]

multiply all the stuff together than x2 it if you have hyper sprint i guess lmao

[potent tree]

Rush Delivery, not counting any other boons: damage base * (speed1 * speed2 * etc)

[unreal saffron]

is there some reason to not level the distant memory keepsake?

[worn solar]

Its a dookie keepsake but idk what else

[plain river]

It’s literally the most straight forward thing in the game

[clever mason]

Ok so nothing is really additive in game. Gotcha

[winged kestrel]

So rn I finished the temple of Styx, found the bag second try

I have adamant rail

With rocket and cluster bomb

[proper furnace]

Gg

[winged kestrel]

I HAVE 4 REVIVES

[proper furnace]

What special you have?

[winged kestrel]

And casually do 1450 dmg with one special

Because of Poseidon

[winged kestrel]

Rocket bomb

I think I might have a chance at beating hades

[proper furnace]

I meant the boon, but ig is poseidon?

But yeah cluster rockets is basically a win

[winged kestrel]

I BEAT HIM

WHOOO

[proper furnace]

Gg

Go boast #h1-victory-boasting

[winged kestrel]

also

I call this combo

The hydraulic nuke

[plain river]

? No nearly everything is additive

The only things that aren’t additive are crits, movespeed bonuses and trap damage

Sorry maybe “most straight forward” was a bit pushing it but it is just an additive calculation

There isn’t anything handwavy about it

[proper furnace]

And dmg reduction

[plain river]

And like “what damage goes where”…the game is very specific about what damage bonuses apply to what, and any time it isn’t it just applies to nearly everything (disregarding trap damage and summons, and maim)

So sorry when I was unclear with my initial response, but hopefully my answers should help you with your question

[vital night]

zyruvias is joking in his hestia guide if that's what you're referring to. it's mostly just a useless keepsake in a game where everything is chasing you

[livid barn]

It's not really that bad though...

[icy nacelle]

yeah it's not as bad as guan yu

[livid barn]

I'm guilty of liking every aspect (except the zag) the spear has

[icy nacelle]

bruh i like zag spear 😦

it's decent with flurry jab

[livid barn]

I just haven't used it that much

And the idea of killing Hades with his own aspect is funny

[jolly chasm]

Guan Yu is a way stronger weapon than Hades spear

Like it's not even close

[icy nacelle]

that's probably true

i just dislike how clunky it is

[jolly chasm]

Use charged skewer

[plain river]

blatant misinformation spreading

[plain river]

It’s not the end of the world, but it’s also not great. Just to touch on what was said earlier, Guan-yu is significantly stronger though

[brisk adder]

Doing a Gilgamesh run and got colossus knuckle, flying cutter and rush kick as my first hammer options, what should I take?

[jolly chasm]

Good lord those are ass

I would take ck but I would rather not take any

[brisk adder]

Yep lol, that's why I was stuck 🤣

[proper furnace]

What's colossus again

Sturdy?

[brisk adder]

Yep, sturdy when using attack or special

[proper furnace]

Better than nothing ig

Unless you get hyper sprint then is actually nothing

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, the other 2 are actually detrimental

[brisk adder]

I started the run again and got concentrated, colossus and rush kick. Assuming concentrated is best to take here?

[vital night]

Colossus is kinda nice

You’re generally not attacking fast enough to build up concentrated

[worn solar]

Is this gilga still idk about conc gilga

[vital night]

Assuming Zeus attack

[brisk adder]

It was Gilgamesh, was trying to get ME so was Ares attack

[nimble canyon]

at what heat do boss rewards cap out

[potent tree]

20

[nimble canyon]

cool ty

is 20 harder in h1

[proper furnace]

wouldn't say so

timer is a lot easier (exceot styx rng, but at 20 shouldn't matter)

less pacts affecting the whole run thanks to EM

dark foresight exists

[karmic lichen]

you really feel how boring mirror/keepsakes are in this game compared to h2

i might just not know the interesting builds tho, any recommendations

im down for anything

[proper furnace]

Not much to do for keepsakes lol

Pretty standard
God keepsake x2 > defensive/utility (acorn/hourglass/sigil) > acorn

[worn solar]

Mirror and keepsake order are pretty standardized unless youre doing meme stuff

[vital night]

h2 speed literally just runs antler the whole time and prays for a build lol

[vital night]

Mirror is pretty impactful too

[karmic lichen]

i think its just not as interesting, i agree it is def impactful

i feel like maybe theres only like three things you ever toggle

[vital night]

Yeah that’s fair

But a speed/heat meta is going to develop for h2 eventually too. I think it might feel more interesting just bc we don’t know what’s good yet

[tight basin]

Yeah once the meta solidifies more in h2 after early access then there's gonna be less stuff that gets changed between builds

Or there might be an ME equivalent that works for a bunch of aspects in h2 again lmao

[proud elm]

whats the best build for 16 heat?

[vital night]

Depends on the aspect

And a good pact can make 16 feel like a slightly spicier version of 0 anyways

[jolly chasm]

Really anything works well at that heat

[vital night]

Hestia is a common aspect for first time clearing X heat

[jolly chasm]

Eris is also pretty strong, but Hestia is prob best

[vital night]

Low skill floor, high skill ceiling, and rewarding to get good at

Eris needs to be aggressive to get max damage out

[jolly chasm]

I mean just get zeus attack and jolted with a special and damage call and you win

[vital night]

Yeah ig

But tidal dash really speeds it up

Idk, I’m probably biased bc I climbed heat on hestia first and then played eris, but it seems safer to me

[plain river]

Eris is like max dps where Hestia is max safety + dps

Either should work fine it’s just a matter of what you need

[proud elm]

how bout 32

[brisk adder]

What's best hammer to pair with flurry jab for Achilles?

[plain river]

Triple/extending

[brisk adder]

Okay cool, serrated would be negative with flurry right?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

[proper furnace]

Not in the way you prob expect but yeah

[brisk adder]

I was thinking it would reduce the range, therefore making flurry obsolete almost, does it affect it in a different way?

[proper furnace]

It forces a flurry jab attack after each dash strike no matter if you only tapped the attacl

[vital night]

Hestia still good

I’ve gotten to 54 and multiple people have done 60

[proper furnace]

The range is also bad/animation of the dash strike

[proud elm]

what should i use for 32 heat

[vital night]

Someone did a hypermodded 62

Uh

[brisk adder]

Ah gotcha, thanks!

[vital night]

Whatever you want

Easiest is hestia or Beowulf probably

[plain river]

Both serrated and flurry are both seperate heavy hits to your dash striking safety, and the amount of time you end up in one place with them combined due to animation times is… far too long

[rocky arrow]

How do i optimize eris?

[vital night]

Zeus attack, Artemis special, Poseidon dash, static discharge, crits, cluster bomb, rocket bomb

Zeus or dio call

[rocky arrow]

[vital night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ijwaZoZnq8&pp=ygUXRXJpcyB3b3JsZCByZWNvcmQgaGFkc3M%3D

Heat plays a little different but flat damage+global boost is still the same principle

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWLJvB4-CX4&pp=ygUIRXJpcyA2NCA%3D

[brisk adder]

Ah makes sense! Thanks for explaining 🙂

Does ME work with zag shield? Also, how to build Zeus shield?

[vital night]

It does. ME with ares and deflect on attack/special or Zeus/flat damage soup.

I’ve never really played ME on Zeus since that’s mostly a speed thing

[brisk adder]

What would you recommend for Zeus in that case?

[vital night]

Zeus special, static discharge, double strike, Zeus call or dio call(I prefer dio)

And then crits

[brisk adder]

So Arte on attack?

[vital night]

Doesn’t really matter but I guess yeah

You don’t need a corr

Core

PP+HM is enough

[brisk adder]

Do you have any game play for Zeus by any chance?

[brisk adder]

Pp and hm?

[vital night]

Pressure points and hunters mark

[brisk adder]

Oh gotcha

[vital night]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXN4VldZWS4

56, 54, 50, and 32 boonless are also on my channel

I think 54 has aphro special though

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[turbid needle]

I don’t know if I should get rolling knuckle or draining cutter

For the gauntlets

[jolly chasm]

Rolling

[turbid needle]

I think I picked that one

[nimble canyon]

does life affirmation from aphro apply to chaos' soul boons

[nimble canyon]

does purging life affirmation lower your max health?

[nimble canyon]

it does not

[plain river]

X

[nimble canyon]

Does the double attack hammer for shield proc chain lightning twice and is that good?

[proper furnace]

It should? But not good

You just want % attacks

The only time I'd take flat dmg for your attack is on like beo high heat if you can't get sbow burst

Just add whatever curse you find on attack

And zeus needs a 2nd boon for his curse

[brisk adder]

Damage control and Hestia is not fun

[vital night]

Don’t take damage control on hestia lol

Take literally everything but damage control

The recent hypermodded 62 was dc0

[brisk adder]

I only did it because I wanted to finish the harsh conditions prophecy so had DC, ap, and the one that affects the mirror so thought a Hestia shackle run would be most efficient. Boy was I wrong. I used god mode towards the end because I just wanted it done lol

[vital night]

Oh I guess lol

But take eris for damage control