#h1-builds-and-combat
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Aspect of Lucifer recommendations?
zeus attack
triple bomb
mayb zeus special as well
Of course, always Zeus...
and the reason why it doesnt affect the other is bc it'd remove the gimmick completely, not bc it sucks
Are you sure
no
How about, Zeus and Dionysus?
I thought you’d want Artemis or Aphrodite on special
I mean tbf, it’s really fast and nothing else really handles the speed of it’s attack well
so like your theoretical 1 shot hammer for rail would work for 3/4 rails, but you'd never take it on 2 of the rails bc it just sucks there lmao
Artemis actually sounds cool.
special has a pulsing damage
Yeah but it’s negligible
Artemis and aphrodite are your go to’s
Youre better off just blowing up your specials
ok
These are big base damage hits, you want big +%, not miniscule flat damage
Try to take a damaging dash, ideally tidal dash, so you can dash into your bombs and explode them
Until you also knock the mobs out of the special
all dashes on luci are damaging 
will say that the "big number" depends on the level of your aspect lmao
Real but something like blade dash has a hard time triggering explosions
fair
I got it pretty high, I've been farming blood like crazy.
if it's like lvl 3 lowest maybe then it's prob fine
All my weapons are almost done I just got spear, sword, and gun left.
If you had rd walking into elysium 
how dumb would plume be
also realising I haven’t even gifted Hermes for his plume anyways
ig 
Mind you I have zeus strike jolted and splitting bolt
I feel like I’d love more additive
while getting dodge
Hey guys what if we added a weapon that does infinity damage to everything in the room with one click? Wouldn't that be cool?
Wait I have 100 max hp atm 
The real issue with that hammers was how it did infinity damage to… one target
it’s literally just hestia but push it to the extreme and remove the option to use regular shots against blue armour or hoards
Really feeling the love
Not every idea needs love. People do, but you aren’t exclusively a single idea you had, and there are other things to love about you.
That's a ridiculous idea and people should mock you
Maybe. I haven’t put too much thought into it 
Look at the antlers on that one!
I'm in South Dakota if you want a trophy
i hope you're feeling the love buddy
Wish me luck 
that is the build
valid
yep
If it works it works. And it did. 
I now have my stupid 2 clear 32 ss #h1-victory-boasting message
@potent tree I can narrow it down for you if you're not interested in the hunt. 😉
I'm gonna find you and punch you with my little squirrel paws
I don't think that will be sufficient to obtain your trophy
disappointing.
No but it sounds like you did 
👍
For achilles what's the better hammer, Flurry jab, extending jab or vicious skewer? None sound particularly great
flurry happens to be the strongest achilles hammer
Ha I was proved wrong very quickly. Flurry it is! Thanks @proper furnace & @plain river
Works best with Zeus or Artemis attack
Ah I had Aphro attack
I mean it’s still going to work it’s just like not as crazy
Wait does the heat thing that’s like “traps and magma deal 400% damage” apply to Hades’ vases
Gotcha, so for Achilles playthroughs, I should aim for arty or Zeus attack?
Yeah
So that’s why they’re doing 46 damage
Oh you must have sure footing
Because those normally do 150 with heightened security
Oh wow
Typically, zeus builds into lightning phalanx with athena cast, and artemis in hunting blades with ares
Ah gotcha, just got a clear with Achilles with hunting blades
and if you’re feeling lucky you just tidal dash start, look for any of those 4 in tartarus and decide on your god keepsake for asphodel from there
Btw if you get Zeus in tart, remember to take Zeus keepsake into Aspho for jolted, otherwise the build will feel weak
Will do, thanks!
On a zagbow run, got point blank shot for first hammer and for second my options are perfect, piercing volley and flurry shot. Perfect is the one to go for here right?
Flurry is better
Particularly with the funny tech
What's this?
0:00 Intro and Mechanics
1:00 The Tech
2:00 Flurry
You dash and press attack then attack + special(or cast) and it shoots twice in a row

I’m too manual for flurry zag bow
Hera is a different question I need my thumb for casting
@tight basin why’s my merciful end zag bow run with no merciful end or flurry actually going just fine 
I don’t even have impending wth
the hit and run ever
Not even
Base attack is putting in work
Now I have to choose between triple, ricochet and relentless and I’m leaning triple but I think my earlier clear has me biased for ricochet so I’m debating
I'd like to issue a formal apology to Adamant Rail
The idea of a gun in a game like this just didn't stick wigh me first, but then I maxxed out Hestia and... holy cow
This thing isn't a semi-auto anymore it's a sniper rifle 
I cleared Tarturus in like 3 mins and 20 secs (200 secs)
I never had below 4 mins before that
[REDACTED] when I whip out the MLG 360 noscope
And it's got some insane hammers too
One of them makes it pierce through enemies and do extra armor damage so now you can one-hit multiple enemies if you get them to line up properly
Also the one that just ricochets the bullet
Ares would be blushing profusely
what is the best aspect for the sheild
Beo, zeus and zag are all good
I need help on Zagreus sword 18 heat build… i struggle even to try to clear the sisters and lerny… the final thrust always throw off my timing and i just cant get enough boon combo to rake up DPS
what about choas
Don’t use the attack combo at all, it’s bad
I have never seen a really good chaos build, especially at more heat
Just dash strike -> dash strike -> special
It’s just zag shield but with 15 less base damage per attack tbh
Because the special is bad… very bad
Which makes it unequivocally the worst shield by any metric, but it’s still a shield
Zag shield spam attack, zeus spam special and beo spam… lets call it “cast”
zag shield spam CShot
Ah any boon to recommend?
Merciful End
Ares build then
The rail was never semi-auto
Zag and chaos shield have tied heat WRs lol
But yeah there’s not a good chaos special build for heat
Maybe doom or hangover
Ah didn't know you could do this, thanks!
any manageable builds for arthur aspect? except for crit, i just find it very inconsistent unless i take hunter's mark
also at least something that can take a speeder + forced overtime 1/2 elite from tart 😂 also em3
The best way to play arthur is to not play arthur. Aka aphro attack start > zeus call > smouldering air 
true..
i really quite like it but its just has so many flaws
ill prob just do a desired heat run then go back from using nem
One of the worst weapons for speed and heat
Stacking damage reduction is nice
Otherwise yeah just put together some semblance of a soup
ironically my fastest clear yet is done with arthur, although i really only got very lucky (getting nearly +300% attack bonus with Chaos boons on first biome)
but yeah its just really the worst when it comes to speed
At medium heat I’d say it isn’t one of the worst weapons
Whats “medium” heat?… 16? 32?
I was thinking between 32 and 50 probably
Maybe Arthur is awful at like 48, idk, but it’s definitely not that bad at 45
There’s at least 10 aspects that I would have a harder time with at 45 heat
Medium heat lmao
Sub50 is medium to me
Never doing 32 heat again… hard enough for me
The difference between 45 and 50 heat is like the difference between 0 and 40
havent even tried heat 32 yet
although im doing fine so far
i just hate speeders to be honest
The benefits package condition?
yeah, and i also have forced overtime turned on currently
just makes 2nd biome so annoying
Speeder wavers 
worse is im trying to make a play with arthur, thats why i asked so much earlier
You’d probably be better off with HL5 than FO2 on Arthur
this and the violet/green bomb skellys

Eh, I feel like it’s still pretty bad
Most other options are just way better
At 45 heat, I’d rather have Arthur than Gilga, Talos, any spear, Chiron, Hera
Tbh maybe Zag sword
Probably zag fists
Yeah that’s fair
Ngl id rather any of those things over arthur other than gilga 
Apparently my Arthur 45 was first try
Oh I had epic greater reflex and epic lvl4 tidal dash, that probably helped 
thanks for this, i did a 32 heat test run (i lost) and got to hades phase 2 without a dd/sd, although i didnt got the build quite right 
i got ares strike, aphro call, zeus dash into smouldering air
i couldnt change ares strike because it became heroic due to demeter boon, i tried to get all aphro boons i can before it did but no luck
i did use aphro keepsake first, but didnt gave me strike (picked dash, sold it and get zeus dash to still get smouldering air chance)
You could have sold it
true.. ig that was my mistake
What's best aspect to play with for a boonless run (using shackle)
Hestia, maybe not THE best, but pretty good i think
Def hestia
Will try them, thank you!
How do you avoid boons?
Does it mean have no god stuff at all?
Fated authority or just take enough to be able to sell them all at the next pool
Take stuff you don’t need to use
If it's for the dialogue you can take any non sellable boon
Like hestia could get by with just an attack
Is that the buffs that aren't attack, special, dash, cast and aid?
If you want to do a run without using a boon, unbinding stuff for boons you get would work.
Nah
Non sellable is pretty much stuff that give some resources
Would shackle bonus still apply with those boons?
Gotcha
Having a boon opens secondaries and poms, which don’t brick the run, so potentially could be a strategy
Premium vintage/nourished soul/etc
Shackle only disables if the core is filled for that attack
Attack boon keeps the cast/special online for example
Ah that makes sense
So I don't need to go completely boonless then
Yeah if you are forced into boons you won't be disabling shackle entirely
Okay cool, thank you!
What hammers does Hestia pair well with? I have spread fire
Clockets, hazard bomb, targeting system, triple bomb, ricochet, piercing, explosive are the relevant ones
Spread fire doesnt do anything to the expowered shot but ig you can use it for squishy targets
Yeah I didn't think it did, only took it because of prophecy, my first time getting it. I think it's good for other rails?
It’s good on zag rail
Eris is makes too much use of fds with regular rail attack speed and ammo
Its good for zag rail but you have to know youre getting it because usually you just start zeus attack which isnt good with it
for it to be worth it
zeus strike works just fine with it

a +% strike or merciful end would be ideal but zeus still works great
Ig its fine but its kinda a waste 
~ you have a new outlet for chaos boosts
For Hestia do you still start with Zeus attack?
No
You reload after every first shot so you take an +% goddess like aphro or arte
Ah gotcha, makes sense!
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cB73C9SlzalolxSus3OXIYbAPJ0WqrKx9ywA-j2oeLE/https/i.imgur.com/YT0n840.mp4 you go (reload) > pew > reload > pew > reload > throw out a special or cast > repeat basically
Pro tip for hestia: dont get savior enemies 
You move around so fast 😭
Helps rebinding dash and reload
What are savior enemies?
Just hit zeus call smair
benefits package effects for elites
Benefits package buff that makes them give dc blue hearts to enemies around them
it gives shield every few secs that negates damage
Ah, gotcha
It’s hell on numbskulls
savior numbskull room on zagbow
Saviour numbskulls are unironically the reason my 32 heat clear on my second save is with zag rail
Cuz I’m normally a zag bow main but I ran into a few too many swarms with saviour and
“Haha nope I’ll use an aspect that can handle this better”
i lost to than for the first time almost ever 27 to 10 because of a savior numbskull room. Literally had to run around waiting for than to kill them for me
In some rooms you can somewhat manage if there are pillars since those deal a bunch of hits but otherwise its just death
I have to finish my zeus zag bow run
It was surprisingly not bad? I only hit flurry halfway through elysium but
It wasn’t bad up till that point
So my first Hestia run didn't go so well (although got to Hades and had him on second stage just under half hp). Handicapped myself with shackle (only because I haven't completely figured it out yet). Was getting 1k hits though and I have no idea how
Shackle is strong
Yeah definitely is, I'm just not strong with it (not yet!)
Oh yeah it’s tough since it blocks off acorn for ely and Styx
What's a good easy to use build?
Ain't nothing less complicated than Zagbow with either Aphrodite attack or Artemis + Chaos attack boons. Just dash-strike ad nauseum
I mean a decent amount of new players dont know how to bow 
But but I left instructions
Until just press attack to dash strike instead of holding for perfect shot
Oh true. I guess I assumed people read the instructions that pop up upon selecting weapons
How foolish of me
Tbh the instructions say "press attack" 
Oh do they. I guess it has been a while oops
Idk how sg never fixed that
what aspect and keepsake?
here are your instructions for using bow
zag bow is going to be the most straight forward for you to learn
start off with aphrodite's keepsake so you can take her strike, since she has the highest innate +%, and weaken is a strong debuff
wait zagbow meaning aspect of zagreus?
oh ok understood
Typically people shortform zag from zagreus, and I took the time there to specify the bow aspect, but sometimes you just context clue it given everyone is talking about rail, when they reference “using zag” they probably mean zag rail
etc
Or any particularly long aspect name
Who has the time to properly type out nemesis or poseidon? They become nem and pos
Same thing for the big gods too
I thought the question addressed to me was sarcasm
Can’t be bothered to type our artemis so you type out arte or arti or arty (left to right on your level of insanity for using them)
what do you guys buid on Guan Yu spear
I've always struggled with it
nvm ill read pins
👍
I think nyaanyaa has a build pinned in pins? she may not
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
thanks!
Does "weak" increase damage from other boon effect and cast? Or just physical attack?
Also Pressure Point will give crit to damage from all boon effect and cast? or just physical damage?
Physical damage i mean normal attack and special
I assume you're talking about sweet surrender, and iirc it should increase all damage
And I think pressure points also applies to everything except like maybe hangover
And explosive return
Guys, just one question: does bonuses from Chaos stack? For exemple: if I have a bonus on finding rarest boon 2 times (like +13% and +21%) does its stack?
Should
it does and it should
Chaos is best for stacking stats, I always go for it in all of my runs
Uh
what canon?
yeah any weak effect from aphro
yes, sweet surrender applies to all weak enemies, regardless of how the weak was applied
i see thanks!
it applies to everything
hangover can crit?
yes, with pressure points, hunter's mark and deadly reversal
well there you go, pressure points remain the goat
splitting headache just happens to only add crit chance to damage sources that already have a crit chance
yeah that i did know about, which i still find weird given the wording
so the most common way to "see" hangover crit doesn't even work without auxilary boons
eh it still misses maim damage, summon damage, and trap damage, unlike hunter's mark iirc
@summer kiln this is everything pressure points won't apply to, so every other damage source you can think of, it can and will be affected
pressure points is still absolutely negligible but
..explosive return 
Hold on, a new combatant has entered the battle

does explosive return at least get hit by the universal stuff like sweet surrender
Yeah I think it just can’t crit

wth
Oh II forgot to mention extra damage like hoarding slash and merciful end's bonus 40
which are the only 2 cases where those exist and just get added after all other damage calc
yeah wouldnt bet on the boon but its "a" choice
Yeah it’s for balance purposes I think
The main usage case is if you for some reason have splitting headache
since it’ll only give a crit chance to damage sources that have a crit chance already
other you roll an artemis boon and the rest of the options are 
so its (pressure point)% + (splitting headache)%?
It’s also got niche use on eris/zag rail flat damage soup if you can grab it and hunters mark
Yeah
Because atp you’re putting out so many projectiles & damage sources something is bound to crit off the small chance and start a prok chain of hunter’s mark
for me pressure point kinda need to use with support fire to tickle the chances
i kinda like it with the heart seeking bow
7 arrows with boon effect = 2 types of damages per hit = 14x chance of trigering the pressure point effect [correct?]
Unfortunately
Support fire, like chain lightning and lightning bolts
has an internal cooldown
so it can only prok once every ~
I think it’s 0.2 seconds for support fire
i dont mind
same as lightning bolts
since if its lighting means jolt is also included
What that means is, just like zeus, you only get 1 or 2 bolts per special
oh hmmm
What I’m getting at is that it doesn’t work as well as people expect on chiron and other bow specials
sadly
ah welp so its just that its okay but dont bet on it kind of situation then?
It’s a bit better on the other fast but not so so fast hitting aspectd
usually i have as good to have and in case i need to sell then it can go lol
zeus, fists, flurry jab spear, rail strike all make better use of it than bow special
But in the end it’s still pretty mid
zeus shield then
yea i get it
i need to get to 32 heat before i can allow myself to play H2
i failed at zag sword 18 heat just now at last boss final 20% hp..
need to complete it as i have 0 clear with zag sword
in your defence, zag sword is definitely one of the aspects of all time
its good?
my fastest clear is with Poseidon aspect
It’s ok. Basically weak nem
idk i have even clear with other 3 aspect only Zero on most zag aspects
it was a pain in the ass tbh to use
hes calling it bad without calling it bad
I mean any sword is-
anyways
I digress
non-arthur sword gameplay is going to suck if you aren't dash striking 90-95%% of the time
ouf
Poseidon sword is weak Achilles
i kinda like lunge special hammer i use it to escape lol
Ideally
Your sword gameplay looks something close to this clip I stole from Unananas
sorry i cant play this, i can only consume media via gifs
not loading =/
but i get your idea
also hellion's zag sword run was insane
he can just stand still to eleminate the furies sisters
i know
lol
i was hoping doom and jolt can help me
does the delayed doom boon work on stacked doom and revenge doom?
yes
whomdst this hellion, surely not dan
Since your doom stays up for longer, you can get more hits in an give the doom a few more 12 base damage addons
~~Haelian
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Whomst’d’ve
after 20heat should i just focus on one aspect to clear till 32?
It’ll probably go smoother that way
sicne it dont really transfer over other weapons
You’ll almost definitely have a better shot if you just practice one at a time
aight thanks
32 and bull's autographs and im done
asterius, my beloved
idk how many times i still have to die to get it lol
until the bull is ready!
rng dialogue time
You need to die to Theseus as well iirc
Wait really
You need to die in a bunch of scenarios for it iirc lmao
Die to asterius - miniboss/die to asterius - boss/die to Theseus
hmmm afaik it has to proc a dialogue if die but not prog means wasted effort and redo
i just dont know if sequence is important or not
lucifer hellfire build?
Artemis
Just pure arti?
Zeus on attack is good but arty or aphro are best on special
Mmm
Omega is definitely my favorite mechanic in hades 1 
Wrong chat
Are there any detailed guides out there for speedruns? I wanna look into specific strats like pause buffering
the speedrun discord is pinned in #self-promotion
there's also the speedrun guide compendium on the speedrun website
but also pause buffering is just pausing before making decisions lmao
so that way you're not running the in game timer while thinking
Oh that's really it? 'Cause I've actually been doing it on any run that I've had Tight Deadline activated on for a while now
I thought it does some unforeseen thing, but Ig not lol
Ty tho I'll check the Discord out! 
yeah pause buffering is really just for giving yourself time to think before doing stuff
you can like
spam pause through combats too if you want but that's up to you lmao
Yeahh I've seen WRs just spamming pause before [REDACTED] suddenly gets thousands of damage
That's really why I thought something else is happening outside of the timer
Ah you’re probably seeing some of jazz/vetbaitednv’s runs
She just likes pausing a lot. Doesn’t do anything to the game
You’re expected to be doing thousands of damage in a hades speedrun tbh
Yeahh fair. That sweet, sweet DPS and all
I get so invested in speedruns I forget some stuff are just nonsense the player just likes to do
im not the only person who pause buffers
But you do it quite a bit and he mentioned world records
Does it work if i just go right at 32 heat from 18? 
Would be a pain to get used to tho i gotta say
Does Erebus offer better perks (higher rarity/% reward) or its just the same as any chamber?
Same as the styx mini boss rooms
Ohw nice
Matty went 8 -> 32, you can do 18 -> 32 just fine
aight
Hello
I have a question, do I need to start a fresh new game to beat hades 10 times
To bring Persephone
Nope
Why question mark me lmao
You can do more runs on tge same save fild
I was just asking
Your question didn’t make any sense
Here you had an initial sentence that gave context for what you meant
it is a genuine question lmfao
Yeah but “do you need to start a fresh game to bring persephone” is a lot more confusing than “do I need to start a new game to beat Hades 10 times”
Anyhow thanks for the info
If you start a new savefile nothing from the previous ones have any effect
yeah but Persephone comes out only of you beat hades 10 times
no?
Yes
so you head back into the same save file, go into the courtyard and start another run
The same way you’ve been doing runs the whole time
Yessir I will whoop his ass. But is there anyway I can see how many endings i got in my bag?
Is this just to replay the story or?
when you clear a run you can see how many times you’ve escaped
There's only one ending to the game
Clear a run as in ending the game and beating Hades?
- an epilogue
yes
Bottom right of your victory screen
oh my photo’s grainy 
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have you ever have run that you take the keep sake but after 30 stages you only encounter the god once
No
in face i only have 6 boons so far
Never seen I happen
Yall need to record this, cause I've never seen this happen in like ever, and I watch a lot of hades
Like are you sure you didn't accidentally ignore the god in the first room for a chaos gate
perfectly sure
Doubt, but alright big bug
Are you using dark foresight/have you filled your god pool
This shouldn't matter
It should still be the first God you encounter
I mean I've had it happen lol
im sure i choose the one in mirror that give more of the better options
Massive bug
i can check back for you after i ded
Can't you f10 in h1 still? Yall should report this
Didn't they use the keeosake already tho?
They said they didn't see the god once
They mentioned not getting jolted
i need to know how to get the boon menu without having my time go down
Oh so they saw the god already nvm, then yeah, that's completely normal, the keepsake only works once
They said they only saw them once no?
ok where do i post
Send to another discord > right click > copy link
Yeha that's that's, the keepsake only works once
but i never saw jeus again?
Once you see the room once it has no effect aside rarity
weird af
Ok that has nothing to do with the keepsake
i know
Just run rng
That's why I asked about dark foresight/god pool
just big f on rng
But yeah rng just do be like that sometimes
You mentioned keepsake so i thought you expected it to affect it
i see so i just gotta suck it on this run then
yeah
guess might as well get killed by theseus
it loaded on mobile but not loading on pc now
discord must be taking a dump
is zag sword
...why are they looking for zeus with this?
idk
Is this flurry zeus atk

ap2 ahh build
on god
first god might have gotten erebus'd
just the strike
i mean
lvl 7 epic
what
if god pool/cores are not filled, you're unlikely to see that god again
since it's a 1/8 chance
im just translating here mate
I wish the image loaded lmao
Kill da messenger!
no dash/call
Diminishing returns go brrr
wai gimme a sec
How many gods you had boons from
there
3 gods moment ig
4
yeah unfilled god pool
Hermes doesnt count
hermes doesn't count
Chaos/hermes don't count
dem, pos, zus ared
Oh
where is dem
You sure youre not buying/taking poms over boons 
Ok yeah rng just hated you
wheres dem?
Sold probably
oh he sold
sold
Btw swap dark regen to the other one
zeus start and then next zeus boon is in ely
even with cores filled, thats still just rng at its finest
Works worse with dark foresight
yeah darkness regen is pepega with dark foresight
also this run has too many armored+ perks minions
Why is cp2 on at 18 heat 
more tha last run
xd
i just pick whatever works
but seems different every run
it's only 30% moment
some i got lucky some no
you have full armored pacts, expect armored enemies
everything will take 30% longer to kill
argh
especially on elysium
yeah it's literally one of the worst pacts
nail of talos goes hard
well i guess ima take armord down
try some more extreme measures and tight deadline
ok
I wish the difficulty rating worked correctly with bp lmao
Zag sword really stinky
asphodel has lava, not tartarus
all g
so you were commited to zeus strike, given the 7 poms, why the double special hammer
what else was offered
as i said its a bad run not many good offer even some with a reroll
i get duo boon offer early too wtf
you cant reroll hammers
i mean over all
nvm
what were your other hammer choices though
yeah hammer one i get trust crit, wave, etc
trust crit wouldve been nice
wave is probably better
def better than dash nova
i go to hammer of choice is the rapid slash, backstab and lunge special (for dash alt)
i heard it only work for the 3 hit combo's trust not dash strike
so?
yes
Flurry bad 
yes, but
zag sword is not good with 3 hit combo mostly
so dash nova was better
Dash nova also bad
^
i get what i can with zues already i prefer cast but i reroll still dont get cast
you pommed it 7 times lol
True 
if you tell me youre running ap2 this all makes sense, but like, this was all willingly 
its a few by random and a few out of need cause i have no boon to pom and i either choose pom or gem/dark/key
its a lousy run
yeah just a bad run mate
i have 3 waves of armored skulls for a few rooms
and a room full of armored hands with shadow clone
i'll try again tomorrow
yoo Shackle you still here
I have finished the game again and found out that I have 11 clears now 

You should have persephone back atp 
yeah ig
but I just wanted to add more achievements
what I meant was wasn't the initial question about getting persephone back?
like she should've been back in the house if that was your 11th clear, given she comes back on clear 10
Yeah ig she’s back
I need to complete that list to get titan blood
yep
I want to upgrade weapons
What is your weapon? Or perhaps most op weapon?
The more correct question is “aspect”
I use the sword mainly
tbh
Facts
I main zag bow but I play around with everything
The meta aspects are a bit straight forward
The requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion
Zagbow is wonderful
Huh
Lmao fr the bow?
Looks a bit hard
Zagbow to me is like an easier Hestia 
Bro yall playing 
Zagbow's legitimately pretty good
Yeah maybe, but you need to be giga hyperactive dodging and cluttering foes. The bow ain’t optimal choice
but I see the dedication
also I need to beat Hades with 6 weapons
it does a lot of damag
so eh
All the bows minus maybe Chiron are always Dash-Striking anyway 🤷
Chiron should be dash striking too imo
yep thass my jam
but never tried the bow
The difference is that you spend a while using the special ig
But you have to attack first
Which boons/gods for the bow?
Hahahahahaha
Shackle's here and too lazy to explain myself
yall playing man, no way the bow is fun 😭
Incoming meg fight gif
He’s gonna post the gif
Yep
Lmao
It’s still in my bottom half of weapons but zagbow is fun with Aphrodite
Good ol shackle
And Rama beat 64
All weapons are good, fun just depends on you
Shackle being a bow enjoyer doesn't mean you have to be, you not liking the bow doesn't make it bad
It depends on the aspect, I mean every single one appreciates aphrodite though.
Zagbow, chiron and rama would all actively take her on strike and hera takes her cast
I want to master every weapon before playing Hades II
Suit yourself
yeah i wanna be Hades
50 heat on each weapon would be a good goal to shoot for then

Nah mastery is sub7
Well
Subway
Nah mastery is within 30 seconds of the wr
Sub 7 is relatively easy on a good aspect
Go the extra mile, download the weapon mastery mod

Fair enough
I like to pretend I’m good at bow but my times are slow af
I hated the gun, but Hestia saved it
I’m just trying to think of who I would consider masters at a particular aspect
Sub10 best time is not anywhere near mastery
Hestia is def my least fav
Its my first (and only) 32 heat clear
You like AP2 too soooo…
Yes indeed I do
I love it
I won’t even reach Hades, like never
Of course you will mate
lmao
Things that are fun: RR, AP2, Hestia
Discord build conversations
Tried what
the friggin’ bow
It simply might not be your weapon
you need quadruple the energy to finish the game
i guess?
What?
not sure what that meant
but the cooldown is very high to shoot one arrow 😭
what
Homie
Not really 🤔
Did you see the clip
That was at regular speed
that gif was at regular in game speed 
So the idea is to be in close-counter right?
The idea is both close counter and dash strike
Ah
You don’t need to unless you have triple/explosive/point blank
It’s really more midrange without those hammers
Yeah ig, a bit of training, and will get used to it
Just make sure you’re dash striking
But i like slicing and dicing
then play another weapon
new gif just dropped
ideal chiron gameplay pictured
based chiron clip
Real 
exact same brain
chaos special % doesn't affect boon damage on Rama, right?
chaos % is additive, so if you have a 100 base damage thing, a god boon that adds 80% will add 80 and a chaos boon that adds 80% will also add 80, so with both you'll have 260
Anytime you see specific action +% it only applies to that action and no flat damage

It would be extremely broken otherwise
Mhm, hangover would absolutely massacre lmao
Merciful End would be way out of hand 
any soup build would be crazy
what's the best hammers for hestia shotgun
Ricochet, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, triple bomb, hazard, explosive, and piercing ib rouhjly that order? Include delta somewhere for iframes
Like cluster > rocket > hazard > triple => ricochet > piercing => targetting system => explosive > spread > flurry = delta idk
okay thanks guys
Does delta work on the empowered shot
Yoy can still reload
But does it give iframes to it while dash striking
I don’t think hestia works like that
You need to manually reload for the empowered shot
Yeah
But the shot is still 3 hits no? The empowered +2 regulars
I’m 99% sure it isn’t
I don’t think it does
This is a formal apology on behalf of Shackles lawyers. Please ignore any misinformation spread about Hestia within the last half hour. He was eepy

I just go off what I’ve heard from the people who do play it + what works on other big base damage aspects
Achilles run, what's better out of triple jab, extended jab and flaring spin?
Yeah I didn't think so, spin sounds good for Hades
Its something like double edge >>> piercing wave > breaching slash > super nova > double nova > hoarding slash > the others suck
Idk what those r thats why need the ss😭
I just started playing agaib
After a year and a hakf
Yeah 
Started new game
Post the tierlist shackle 
Still have my past 5000 dark elixir or what rver
But started over
I was also told sowrd best weopon🙏🏽 especially if maxed out with tian blood no?
The whote sword or what ever
this oneeeeeee

Whats this mean bruh
sword is definitely a top 6 weapon
Not really
Ingot double egde
Really whats the best then
Dont say sheild bruh
Sheild is sooooooo💀😭
Bad news bears
Brain dead

hate to break it to you buddy
but shield's got the best speedrun times and heat records lmao
Shield ain’t the best just because it can block though
well it's good for heat bc of the block but not for speed yeah
Shield is best because it bonks.
What u recomend then
Beyond that it’s whatever you like
Shield is best because beowulf does 10 billion damage 
It bonks and chonks and doesn't afraid of anything.
Every weapon is viable.
it's like fine
Idk im a zag bow and hestia rail stan 
i just wouldn't call it the best weapon lmao
Sword is fine
sword, spear, and fists are considered bottom 3 and rail, shield, and bow are considered top 3
but there's like wiggle room
for various aspects
Butttttt sword good
I hate bow, gun and cheild
Lmfaoo
Spear fun lowkey
Sword is good yes
Far from best weapon but you can’r really go wrong
yeah sounds about right
Especially its abilities
Everything is good.
Assuming you arent using the standing combo 
Spesr had mt most fun with
I'm a Hestia Rail enthusiast.
You hate bow you say…
have you tried dash striking

Aith the bow?
yeah
"They're masterworks all! You can't go wrong!"
No i spam dash attack and spam triangle especially with saord
most people hate the bow bc they dont realize dash striking makes the bow charge faster
Im always movin
and makes it a lot easier and better to play
Schmoovin
Mhmm spear?
Mhmmm
So the worst feeling guns r the best in the game?
W
[insert weapon here] should dash-strike just about all the time
ranged weapons, despite neary being played as melee weapons, are the strongest yeah lmao
I fing knew it
lmfao
I wanna 100% the game to
Platnuim it
Lol
What wrap on is that
Weapon*
bow
bow

Zag bow
At refular speed
Anybody got a beo meg clip
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cB73C9SlzalolxSus3OXIYbAPJ0WqrKx9ywA-j2oeLE/https/i.imgur.com/YT0n840.mp4 hestia gud for winning and not dying 
bc you're not building or playing it right probably
i didnt know there was a build fornit
there's a build for everytihng lmao
just take any speedrun video
Some times looker and killer better
The trick is to ignore the special on the bow unless it's Chiron or Rama aspect.
im using tempest strike, double nova battle rage and hunter dash rn
nah we ignore chiron special here
But Chiron special is fun and my favorite 😦
Send me spear, bow, and sheild hvest abilities @plain river
Chiron special is slow and clunky
Unless it’s Rama*
Teaxh me ur ways loading in my other saved
Npt rn I’m seeibg family
It's fun for me, let me live;-;
no
How can i send images
use the pins
Btw?
I dash strike, I special. I dash strike, I special. I enjoy life.
It's how I got my second Heat 32 win.
Send the image to another server or DM a bot
How do I purge StickyBot from reality?
you could block it if you want i guess
I got 28 escape attempts 6000 total darkness and last i played was 05 june 2022
idk if that would do anything meaningful tho
Stickybot is nice tho
Dm a bot?
To be able to send images here?
yes
You dm the bot then copy the image link
Stickybot works
What bot wait im lost bruh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1248054593783337091/Screenshot_20240605_162303_Discord.jpg?ex=666244ea&is=6660f36a&hm=2dfd4fa2011a88177cc3423bbb24c634702593caa454c80ce5662b18b978d541& you can just tap on an image and copy the link from the share button on mobile
Sticky's dms are open 
bc what matters is that you send an image so you can copy the image link
Imbed images
I just have my own server with me and Hellfire bot
How do you think we're sending images 
I gave to creatw a server?
^ dm sticky bot
I did
