h1-builds-and-combat

[vital night]

Rama likes arty start

[plain river]

and then you can look at Hera where her cast is easily the strongest for it, and it’s not bad on Beowulf either

[plain river]

That’s insane

[vital night]

Yeah

[plain river]

tf

[vital night]

Hunter dash is best dash for Rama

[plain river]

Oh

I was about to say

[vital night]

So it’s arty attack start and look for hdash

[plain river]

“Why are they running arte attack on Rama of all things”

[vital night]

Wdym

[plain river]

Wait

Arte strike and dash?

[vital night]

If you get a big crit, you’ll want to make sure it kills everything

Yeah

Rama is like the one aspect where crits aren’t overkill

People run aphro too though

[plain river]

Wait nvrmind rama runs rod

That makes sense

[brisk adder]

Bout to start a Rama run for the first time so I take it arty start to get the attack? Would you build it similar to zag bow?

[vital night]

That’s for any heat

[plain river]

No

For regular gamers

You run aphro strike

[vital night]

Arty strike is still really good for regular gaming lol

Even if you don’t get rod

[plain river]

Yeah but it’s still a matter of

consistent boost vs sometimes boost

and on Rama’s attack speed?

Consistent damage is going to pop off a bit better

• you can still do zeus special -> smouldering air + zeus or dio call, or dio special if you really wanted

[vital night]

Fair

It’s just very satisfying to watch a crit clear a whole room lol

[brisk adder]

For Rama 1st hammer I got explosive shot, relentless volley and rep shot, what should I take?

[lucid oar]

Explosive shot but they all kinda suck

[potent tree]

Explosive Shot can at least be fun with Twin and Triple Shot

[brisk adder]

Okay thanks!

[plain river]

+300% additive at the cost of never seeing a powershot again

[potent tree]

But explosion

[plain river]

but powershot

[torn epoch]

"how did you beat the third boss"
I got the boon where I inflict hang over when I run then I got Artemis's Call and level them.both up as much as I could. that's. that's it. it ain't fancy. it's hit or miss weither I get those two specifically. BUT IT WORKS AND IM A COWARD

[plain river]

Yeah I mean if you want your boss fights to take 8 years and constitute you purely running away

[torn epoch]

meh

I won :3

[plain river]

Yeah I would just push for a more… involved method of winning

[torn epoch]

fair

[plain river]

particularly when explicitly talking about recommending strategies to other people

[potent tree]

Validating Theseus's complaints

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1243411906803535982/IMG_8502.jpg?ex=66516114&is=66500f94&hm=f2a823ac51c0c593233dc8c178371fd8b320e0c02051be2b7041ed3a87194ac8&

[torn epoch]

fair but that's the strat I mainly use. it's a but easier then jumping in and key smashing IMO

[plain river]

…you know

Give me about a minute

Or 3

[torn epoch]

yeah that's the advice I took literally dbdnsbxjs

[plain river]

I’ll show you proper dashing like mad

[torn epoch]

I'm scared /lh

[potent tree]

I'd advise pete to run, but Shackle will just dash and catch right up

[torn epoch]

IM SCARED

[plain river]

it may take more than a minute I uploaded the wrong clip 💀

[torn epoch]

LMAO

[plain river]

ok so

in the meantime

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243413206261825597/New_Save_File_heroes_Fight.mp4?ex=66516249&is=665010c9&hm=19b9c0235287744a2a926a2897efe192bc0f99a44955ed68c09dad92afb5e504&

this was the clip I accidentally uploaded instead

It was literally perfect and only took 4 rng manips

[plain river]

Heroes fight clip incoming once my switch uploads it, aside from that I have this clip I usually use to show the strength of dash striking to new players

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=665135a2&is=664fe422&hm=2f160ccd4f8f73f0f2373ad573d3abae720958459a63585c5c84d1402542620b&

[potent tree]

This shows why Pete is doomed

[torn epoch]

HOW MAN6 BOONS DO YOU HAVEB

[torn epoch]

save me

[potent tree]

I'm sorry, Pete

[plain river]

like 5?

maybe

[torn epoch]

HELP gets dragged into the river styx

[plain river]

it's tartarus

[torn epoch]

it just seemed like alot xhsbxb

[plain river]

So I recently started a fresh save file just so I could get a victory screen with 2 victories on it total, with a 32 heat record, if that means anything to you

[plain river]

it was maxed zag bow with boiling blood, twin shot, aphrodite attack, and maybe a chaos boon

I doubt it was any more than that

[plain river]

forgot hydraulic might

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243414819135160362/New_Save_File_Escape_Attempt_8_Heroes_Fight.mp4?ex=665163ca&is=6650124a&hm=650d4e55ca641b4d535a38d5a8cce3367bdd5bb9e1d6db36143b3e2a10059503&

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/895178062864474162/Hades_2021-10-05_22-08-22.mp4?ex=6650cbc9&is=664f7a49&hm=bc14c51129db83d7c7c96103997c3ce78cdd6bbc95e04585fa7fd0b92a30aa0d& dash strike gud

[plain river]

how many chaos boons was that

[worn solar]

gimme a sec to refind it

[potent tree]

Your Call gauge is like

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/895178111031857172/Hades_2021-10-05_22-09-09_Moment.jpg?ex=6650cbd5&is=664f7a55&hm=0d3d07c110ccb6378cf23f5d480c60829d7ff96ed9162f4fd4552a14c4d9bd32& just a few

[plain river]

2 huh

[worn solar]

Ignore the epic rd

[plain river]

ah that'll do it

[plain river]

just realised you can't use EM immediately

this is so cursed

my 32 heat pact it going to be scuffed

reset my mirror so I can afford stubborn defiance on the new save file

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1209213594647134238/image.png?ex=6650e46b&is=664f92eb&hm=9282e78ac0a9c14cb83e0920388954db9e127b479ab1cd9bd5c5ad849f5dfcf2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

i heard we were talking abotu dash strikes

[torn epoch]

I'm scared.

[tight basin]

lmfao

[torn epoch]

NO BC I LIKE. GET MAYBE 4 BOONS AT MOST IN TARTARUS DUE THAT SCARES ME

[tight basin]

oh i mean like

what i just sent was the end of the run lmao

leaving tart i prob had like

tdash, aphro attack, prob a chaos boon, and twin shot

[vital night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110989242241094/1242995685398413432/image.png?ex=66512ef1&is=664fdd71&hm=544733031bfb61190ff3b012febd01e2f0a62ebbf4d06f8f235e0ffab6f4b228&

talk about additive

[plain river]

The first clip I sent you, in tartarus, had maybe 4 or 5 boons max

[brisk adder]

Zag bow build. Have twin shot as first hammer. Second hammer options are concentrated, relentless and chain shot

What should I take?

[plain river]

Chain shot is the only one that is actually impactful tbh

Zag bow doesn’t really touch it’s special button

[brisk adder]

That's what I went for

[plain river]

It’s not a bad hammer it’s just that there are a lot of other bow hammers that work better

If you have twin shot it can even sort of make up for that reduced range for hitting multiple targets

[brisk adder]

Yeah have twin

What's best to pair with twin?

P0p

[plain river]

Typically point blank or perfect shot

or both

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1243585720413589604/IMG_8500.jpg?ex=665202f4&is=6650b174&hm=2aeadfca80529d71952a122d0e6a40eb6c9be15e07137c045e092a789ca6395d&

[brisk adder]

You can get more than 2 hammers on a run?

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1243619224077864990/4th_try_Perfect_Anvil.mp4?ex=66522228&is=6650d0a8&hm=93c872f66b636fc1dfa668d992d608a7094ce25730f9084ae3d38b09704296ac&

[tight basin]

Anvil

You can reroll anvil through save scumming so you could lmao

[plain river]

Exactly

Somehow that reroll was only my 4th manip

[knotty sigil]

is the location of the satyr sack entirely random?

[tight basin]

More or less

Before the last chamber of the tunnel the game rolls to see if the sack is in it or something

[knotty sigil]

how does one use the guan yu

[proper furnace]

#h1-discussion message gy guide by nyaanyaa

[clear dock]

I got a streak where it was always the second room for at least 5 runs and I began to think that was the case

never gotten it in the first room

[tight basin]

it's impossible to get it in the first room

for 2nd room it's basically a coin flip

like 52ish%

[dull vigil]

best weapon/build for suub 10min run?

[vital night]

Beowulf, eris, hestia

[tight basin]

beowulf, eris, hestia, achilles, or hera

[vital night]

Achilles and Hera are kinda risky/tough but they are also fast

[tight basin]

fair

hera isn't that bad tho

[potent tree]

Nemesis, Beowulf, Achilles + Guan Yu, Zagbow + Hera + Rama, or Hestia + Eris are all good

[tight basin]

rama is not good for speed

it's like

doable

[dull vigil]

i will probly play with eris, my fav weapon

[potent tree]

Is it not 😮

[tight basin]

but hella hard

[dull vigil]

is the zeus build the best?

[tight basin]

yeah

[dull vigil]

sea storm?

[tight basin]

nope

zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash

get jolted

dont need any duos

sea storm needs you to take flood shot, which is like sure i guess but like

no reason to take flood shot

[dull vigil]

i see

[tight basin]

you'd rather have razor shoals

[dull vigil]

any 'tricks' for being fast? or just strong build and practice?

[vital night]

Honestly bosses are rough without wall bug

[tight basin]

you need to actually be good at rama to be remotely fast at rama

and very hammer dependent

if you dont get twin/triple the run isn't worth continuing unless you get insane rooms with perfect/point blank

rama really struggles with the 3 wave trickle spawn rooms but is hella fast with armored units

[tight basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&pp=ygUPU0xFRVBzb3VsIGhhZGVz

strong build and practice is the main core of it tho

but the vid goes over some other stuf

[dull vigil]

thank you

[tight basin]

namely taking free rooms (story/chaos/midshops), minibosses, pausing, etc

there's more specific stuff like pom/boon management i guess

[jolly chasm]

That video might be the greatest thing ever created by the community

[tight basin]

but the more important part is practice with a good build

[vital night]

The easiest weapon to sub 10 on is eris imo

Zeus easily clears tart and you can just run at things and they die

[tight basin]

eris is really straight forward yea

or ME fists lmao

[jolly chasm]

ME and Eris def have the easiest learning curve

[tight basin]

beo has a decent learning curve to it but once you get cast management down it's way easier than everything else

just hit the hammer(s)

[jolly chasm]

Hera and Hestia are def less new player friendly

[potent tree]

Hestia's okay. Just need like one boon plus good button-pressing rhythm

[vital night]

Or play modded yeah

[plain river]

Idk man as

[inner coral]

How to use beowulf? I cant load the cast when im already charging the bull rush. Did that get fixed?

[potent tree]

Might be an issue with your control method

[inner coral]

I can use it while i am rushing, but not while charging it

[potent tree]

Hence maybe an issue with your control method: if you can Cast after you've released the Attack button, maybe your control method's going over its max simultaneous # of inputs

Hopefully it's something simpler than this though

[inner coral]

Ok did not even know thats possible

[potent tree]

What are you using to play, by the way?

[inner coral]

Switch lite…

[potent tree]

Hm. Will have to wait for someone more familiar with the Switch to chime in. Maybe I'll do some Googling in the meantime

[tight basin]

tbf

[potent tree]

Oh my goodness Google really loves giving me results kind of like what I'm looking for except not at all

[tight basin]

actually nvm i was gonna say it's better to load while rushing but that's not right

that's funky tho

[plain river]

Switch is fine for that

Switch lite shouldn’t be running game code any differently, and the button functionality is the same

[potent tree]

Apparently not being able to Cast while charging Rush was an old bug at some point

[inner coral]

So i should update the version of my game… lol sorry

[potent tree]

I've not been able to find much else regarding trouble with Cast while charging up Rush whether on Switch or not

[plain river]

Yeah that might be the issue

Hades updated were predominantly bug fixes after full release

[inner coral]

Yeah I updated and now it works, thanks

[potent tree]

We did it!

[vital night]

Sometimes it can be for speedy enemies since you don’t know whether you’re going to whiff until right before they will pop

Also you don’t want to lose iframes if you won’t be hitting anything

That’s mostly a heat thing though

[knotty sigil]

is it possible to do a run with the hestia rail with the shackle?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[knotty sigil]

what minor boons would i go for?

[lucid oar]

None on attack and special, you can go for tidal dash and hyper sprint + rush delivery

[vital night]

It’s common to do boonless shackle

[knotty sigil]

how do i build a hera bow?

[jolly chasm]

Crush shot (Aphro) start, then look for Snow Burst from Demeter. Chaos is very strong on this build as it is a cast aspect. Go for cast damage and plus casts from chaos. The best hammers are Flurry shot, Twin shot, and Triple shot. Best Hermes is prob Hyper Sprint into RD but Quick Reload is a very legit take. Infernal (three casts that lodge) should be on from the mirror and Poms are your best friend for Hera. Put as many Poms into Crush shot as possible.

[errant narwhal]

friend's hera gaming

[knotty sigil]

ok i'm gonna do it

[errant narwhal]

omg i didnt even see yall were talking about hera i just popped in to share LOL but yeah its really good

it grows in numbers

[knotty sigil]

what cast do i use?

[worn solar]

Aphrodite

[knotty sigil]

oh

why did i think crush shot was the primary attack version

damn this is strong

i thought the chiron aspect was the best one

[potent tree]

Sadly, Chiron at its best is just Zagbow minus the nice crit chance

[plain river]

Chiron is easily the 4th best bow aspect

[brisk adder]

Is it worth having the same two of the same god for attack, special, cast, dash and call? Or not really

Like I just had the opportunity to have Aphro special (already got her on attack)

[potent tree]

Zeus Attack or Special + Call, Artemis Attack + Dash, etc. etc. depending on the weapon

[knotty sigil]

huh?

[potent tree]

Maybe Aphrodite Cast + Attack for Hera, but that might not be optimal

There are four bows. Chiron's the 4th best bow

[knotty sigil]

how is flurry shot good for this?

[plain river]

There isn’t much to huh about

[knotty sigil]

how is it the 4th best bow you get really good poison stacks?

[plain river]

The statement is pretty straight forward

[plain river]

Because hangover isn’t everything?

[knotty sigil]

it's not?

[plain river]

It’s not.

Chiron is slow and lacks any semblance of aoe, for dps numbers every other bow can output

[knotty sigil]

oh

[jolly chasm]

Flurry is good because you want to use Min charged attacks to hit enemies, and with flurry you get the range of a full charged attack but with the speed of a min charge

[plain river]

Flurry shot is good on chiron for the same reason

If you don’t find concentrated /relentless volley

[knotty sigil]

i think i get it

but is it that beneficial?

i mean you still have to wait a bit for the blood to drop

[potent tree]

Ideally you explode enemies immediately and get your stones back immediately

[knotty sigil]

oh yeah

[potent tree]

There's also some "wallbug" that lets you get the stones back ASAP regardless

[jolly chasm]

Prob don't worry about wallbug for now

[potent tree]

I miss jazz's ultra sweaty tryhard attitude LOL

[jolly chasm]

It was always funny watching Jazz go off on new players, even if you did feel a little bad for them

[manic rose]

what are the best weapons/aspects to run merciful end on?

[potent tree]

Fists, swords (minus Arthur), and Zeus shield

[long escarp]

My favorite ME aspect is probably Nemesis

I’m not a fan of fists, but when I do play them, I play ME on all aspects

[long escarp]

Actually I just remembered my 40 heat Gilgamesh was tidal dash (almost) only lol

But I doubt that will work for 45

[plain river]

No waiting if they’re dead like they should be

[brisk adder]

Playing a Talos run and have breeching cross for my first hammer, what should I take for my second? Rolling, explosive or quake?

[plain river]

Explosive won’t work if you’re using talos’s gimmick iirc

Since it only works on standing specials… iirc

[proper furnace]

Also pulls on dash uppers... Maybe

[brisk adder]

So would rolling be best in this scenario?

[knotty sigil]

how do i build the zeus shield?

also is lucifer good?

[knotty sigil]

also how do i build merciful end and which weapons are best for it?

[potent tree]

The second pinned comment in this channel has all the answers you seek 👀

[dull vigil]

did a 14:46, considering i was extremely unlucky with the build and got 4 chamber at the end not bad

as a first time after a while

(MY PR is 12:16, but that was when i was into the game like 3 years ago lol)

[vital night]

ME is actually one of the most functional builds for Arthur

Just fairly rare since Zeus cast start is common to clear tart

[potent tree]

But it isn't necessarily one of the better ME weapons, right?

[vital night]

No

[jolly chasm]

Arthur isn't one of the better weapons period, no matter the build.

[vital night]

If it had epic swift strike by default it would be fine

[brisk adder]

Trying to clear with shield for first time so using zag shield. Have got first hammer and options are Pulverising blow, breaching rush and empowering flight

What should I take?

[tight basin]

Pulv blow

Just smack things

[brisk adder]

That was my gut instinct, thank you!

[vital night]

Ideally you get cshot and just standing strike+min charge cshot

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912921987582668870/Hades_2021-11-23_20-22-35_Trim.mp4?ex=6653629b&is=6652111b&hm=9aef9a38926e57c9c8db1f814d9ccee163d2280b6865286ab5404c056740a571& it can be pretty decent

[vital night]

It’ll beat 64 heat someday

[brisk adder]

Holy moly

[brisk adder]

Will keep this in mind going forward, thank you!

For second hammer have now got breaching rush, charged flight and dashing wallop? Best out of these

[vital night]

Breaching probably

I forgot what wallop does

Dash strike hits a larger area for +50%

It’s ok

Breaching is just nice for stunlocking

Esp in ely

[brisk adder]

Dash strike deals 50% in a larger area

Ah fair, thanks for the advice!

[willow fossil]

I remember when I could hug dad during his lasers, good ol days

[dull vigil]

whats a good and very safe guan yu build? trying to finish the game with each aspect at least once

[potent tree]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[dull vigil]

thanks

[sullen flame]

anyone got a good lucifer build?

[vital night]

Zeus on attack, big % boost on special

Triple bomb is ideal hammrer

[sullen flame]

so special by preference and I just pom the special?

[vital night]

Pom special and then static discharge when you get it

[sullen flame]

now I'm thinking what duo would go hard with this

[sullen flame]

cold fusion might go hard

[alpine tusk]

Hey what are the best hammers for Rama? i'm rusty

[worn solar]

Twin > triple + point blank > perfect > explosive pretty much

[alpine tusk]

thanks

[autumn haven]

Any recommendations for the Aspect of Beowulf on the shield?

[long escarp]

Flood flare + deadly strike + mirage shot

Mirage shot is bugged with Beo so the second cast does full damage instead of just 30% like it says

[autumn haven]

So Poseidon and Artemis, word

[lucid oar]

Pom the cast as much as you can and look for extra stonez/cast damage

[autumn haven]

This was very helpful, it's already alot easier thanks.

tfw you get the aphrodite pom duo in asphodel second level 😩

3 shotting the hydra is also pretty cool, thanks again

[soft warren]

which is faster for rails, merciful end build or ares/artemis one

[lucid oar]

ME but both suck

[soft warren]

which is better?

got to heat 10 with zeus starter build

[vital night]

Zeus is best on rail

[soft warren]

Eris rail

[buoyant ginkgo]

The funniest thing to me

Is the Zeus version of the shield

With the Zeus lightning bolt special ability

And just sitting there as it deals half a bosses hp

[plain river]

If you want it to it easily deals 100% of it

[buoyant ginkgo]

Hydra/meg move too much

[plain river]

So you just move the shield

[potent tree]

Gotta position the circular saw proactively

[faint vessel]

How do you guys build blades builds

I have a lot of problem with blades

Every other weapon i can go maybe up to 10 16 heat

blade I am still at 2

[willow fossil]

You mean sword?

[faint vessel]

yes

[willow fossil]

There's a good guide in one of the pinned messages that might help

[faint vessel]

i have read the snyder guide

[potent tree]

There's really not much more to say beyond what the guide says

[willow fossil]

I mean, is a solid guide, most people will simply just tell you what's already there. Perhaps the sword is not a weapon that clicks with you

[potent tree]

Always be Dash-Striking with sword. The optimal rotation is Dash-Strike*2 into Special

[plain river]

It’s also possible that your playstle could be dragging it down

Shoot packrat got there first

Tbh sword always feels a little finnicky on controller if you’re playing on it

imo

The directionality of it (if you’re on kbm idk then)

[potent tree]

It feels okay on controller if you pace your inputs and don't mash

[buoyant ginkgo]

How the hell do you use the spear?

[plain river]

depends on the spear

Unlike sword where every aspect* has the same dps rotation because none of the aspects fundementally change the weapon’s kit
*Arthur

[willow fossil]

This and that, Arthur however

[long escarp]

Simply get the hammer you need to make your weapon function

[plain river]

Just like in real life

[long escarp]

[plain river]

what you think Achilles didn’t have flurry jab in the Illiad?

Wait did I mess up my greek literature give me asec

I did

[fresh dragon]

Achilles was absolutely rocking the Merciful End build

[still vortex]

What’s a recommended build for aspect of hades spear

[plain river]

Explosive launcher + charged skewer -> lots of special additive

[jolly chasm]

ME works quite well also

[plain river]

You can lean hard into special but if you don’t get exploding launcher first hammer you’re going to be crying all the way to elysium

[long escarp]

Spear moment

[hard raft]

what's preferred for guan yu? quick spin, massive spib or serrated point?

im running with ruthless reflex so the serrated point of off the table

any ideas?

i haven't really had an actual run with this aspect

[tender latch]

quick spin for merciful end, but otherwise guan yu prefers to just build into the special

Getting artemis or aphrodite on the special and then filling another slot with the other goddess to get the duo boon is fun

[hard raft]

Call me stupid, but I'm trying to do it boonless, heat 6 and with the 100% damage charm

[tender latch]

Guan yu special is better than the rest of the cit because it's a giant aoe attack that's fast

Oh

In that case you still build special

[hard raft]

i have the 7 min timer with 1 in EM

[tender latch]

Tbh

If you're doing boonless you can do underworld customs

and then you're chilling

[hard raft]

ahh i could've done that XD

quick spin it is then, hopefully elesium hammer is kind to me

[tender latch]

Guan yu special with the boonless trinket should be fast enough though

You'll be fineeee

[hard raft]

probably XD

Found an epic Caustic Ambush! 160% damage from behind! this might just give me the dps needed to win

[hard raft]

160% backstab + 100% boonless + 50% ruthless damn im shredding the hydra

send a full charge spin and spam special and in reaching 700+ damage

... my base 1st attack is doing 200 from the back... jesus

massive spin, extended jab and winged serpent, which hammer this time!

took the massive spin, now max charged spib does 184 damage each hit WOOOOOOOHOOOO

boonless is really fun

[hard raft]

Doing another attempt at heat 32, with Rama.
100% HL, 100%LC, EM 3, BF2, MM1, UC, DC2, TD3.
Got Epic Artemis Dash, Twin arrow and Epic Frost strike

I think the build is looking good this early

wait... that means... entering chaos realm really hurts... and i dont have stubborn def...

did i screw myself?

[proper furnace]

What happened to stubborn

[hard raft]

didn't pick it up this run...

frick...

[proper furnace]

Ouch

Gonna have to play it safer ig

[hard raft]

there is a trial and syphilis room Which should i take?

[proper furnace]

What's in the trial

And what chamber you are in/timer

[hard raft]

yeah, hearts have a much higher priority rn ..

[hard raft]

Demeter and Artemis

art attack would be awesome...

[proper furnace]

You already have dem's

If you are missing boons for UC and are fine on time I'd do trial maybe

Or you can buy a boon at the end shop and just go

[hard raft]

well i took the trial, got a rare crop affecting frost strike and art dash, by elesium I'll have red tier atk!

should i take support fire or true shot or reroll?

i rather anger Artemis, Demeter aoe is scary and big

or should I take pressure point

[proper furnace]

Just do pressure points

Good sell or combo with hunter's mark later on

[hard raft]

lost and bought a death def, glad that still works

i already have a good attack and dash... which keeps sake do i take into asphodel

i could take the pon blossom... i don't have many boons rn...

do i purge a epic flood shot or reroll?

it'll make styx easy...

[proper furnace]

I think I'd keep flood for styx yeah

[hard raft]

yeah, removed pressure point

[proper furnace]

Keepsake wise, not sure tbh

Pom scaling on dash/attack kinda eh

Could do purse maybe?

Can buy hearts

Or athena to have her defiance refills

[hard raft]

mmh makes sense if early shop

as of right now my Dd is full, bought one from the well

[proper furnace]

Oh wait I'm dumb lmao

Could do zeus/dio special too for dmg

Zeus + jolted or dio and poms

[hard raft]

took the purse for hp, I'll need it...

is epic greater haste worth it?

or do i get swift strike common

[proper furnace]

What's the third?

How many rerolls left

[hard raft]

swift flourish, special is meh. 1 reroll

[proper furnace]

Eh, haste works

Swift strike doesn't apply to dash strikes

[hard raft]

now... chaos room or heart...

[hard raft]

thats annoying...

last chaos room gave me 40 hp which was useful...

I'm taking heart

got zeus special, one heart from Charon

and now thanks to the crop boon my atk and dash is heroic

[proper furnace]

Nice

[hard raft]

EPIC HYPER SPRINT! YES

end of chambers, do i take heart or charon? 200gold

personally i want to save my last reroll for the boon cleansing

[proper furnace]

Your call

Best you could get from charon is another zeus for jolted ig

[hard raft]

true... but really can't go wrong with more health

past asphodel, i think I'll go with pom blossom, or broken spearpoint...

[proper furnace]

Go acorn

Or tooth if the biome also scary

Wait do you have acorn lvl up

[hard raft]

with the damage and extra lives i think I'll save the tooth for hades, yes the acorns is max, all keepsakes mxed

[proper furnace]

Just do acorn for both then

It can easily block more than tooth's 100 hp

[hard raft]

taken, with golden asterius def useful

now hopefully i run into pat

next hammer, relentless volley, perfect shot or explosive shot...

perfect shot sounds preferable...

thanks for sticking and helping out Somenoobdying

[proper furnace]

Also yeah perfect is well, perfect lmao

[hard raft]

yup

damn explosive chariots gang banged me, lost a dd

there is a well with price of midas, worth it? 44hp for 77 gold

[proper furnace]

Prob not

[hard raft]

thaaannn ty for more heart

no pat though, that's 2 lives for hades

3.4min to fight the champion

my last 32 run died here...

damn, 1 life left, do i take the acorn or tooth ...

okay, i have another dd by buying it after purging a rate special

TY Charon mate

no hearts for sale damn ...

5 mins left, 2 DD, 390ax hp, 190 current hp, got the sayter sack

do i explore further or fight dad

i don't have a special bit i have epic art call

[proper furnace]

Just go

[hard raft]

Let's do this...

1st phase done

AAAAAAAA LETSS GOOOOOOO

[proper furnace]

Gg

[hard raft]

This is a new time record for me too XD

now i can see skelly in all his glory XD

[proper furnace]

Go post that victory screen #h1-victory-boasting

[brisk adder]

Just unlocked aspect of hera, how best to build that?

[hard raft]

thanks again Somenoobdying,

[proper furnace]

Start crush shot, poms
Grab snow burst
Add cast dmg/extra casts

Best hammer is flurry shot

[brisk adder]

Whats crush shot?

[proper furnace]

Hermes either go quick reload or hyper sprint + rush delivery

[proper furnace]

Aphro's cast

[brisk adder]

Ah gotcha! Will try it out, thank you!

[brisk adder]

Would boons that let me increase how many bloodstones I have work?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Is mainly chaos/charon wells

[brisk adder]

Okay cool, thank you!

[autumn haven]

Anyone got any recommendations for the Aspect of Rama?

[proper furnace]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs - thanks mike

[autumn haven]

Woo! Thank you.

[willow fossil]

bro got the essay on speed dial

[autumn haven]

im fine with it makes it like 100% easier im just trying to get the prophecies done

[hard raft]

I'd say learning Rama is really worth it! It pleases my Love of seeing big damage numbers and deleting boss HP

I'd say its my main weapon

[brisk adder]

For hera, do you play it the same as most bows? Load cast then dash strike for quick power shot?

[jolly chasm]

Kinda, because when you have casts you load into dash strike into minimum charge to hit an enemy. When you don't have casts it is just spam power dashsktrikes

[brisk adder]

Ah gotcha, thank you!

[cursive flame]

quick question, i’m trying to get through with 16 conditions and i’m debating between stygius and and malphon. any suggestions on which one i should go for?

it’s between zagreus’ aspect and gilgameshs’ aspect

[vital night]

Either works

Your preference

[cursive flame]

that’s the thing, both are my go tos and i really can’t pick 😭

[vital night]

Gilga then

[cursive flame]

thanks!

[burnt raft]

Guys, I need tips for Extreme Measures Hades. Every time it's like I feel I have a decent build, I do all the regions no problem, I start the final battle with 80-90% hp and 3 death defiances and daddy Hades just mauls me during his first 2 stages.

[willow fossil]

Imo the first stage is the worst, try to kill the first elite as soon as it spawns, when he summons. The 2 elites try to burst him down as quickly as possible, the elites die with him

[proper furnace]

You can abuse entity limit if the first summon is the doomstone

[willow fossil]

Doomstone will also murder you if left unchecked and you don't have broken spearpoint

[proper furnace]

Just try it right before the phase chance

[willow fossil]

Mmhm

[long escarp]

Have you tried Beowulf shield

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1244797204963790960/IMG_8531.jpg?ex=66566b3c&is=665519bc&hm=e73f0067ee443902a3d0ccd9478fdd26440db02119406a6d552fa63a91390453&

[tight basin]

if you dont care about having tdash or ddash then hunters dash is fine

otherwise i'd do pp

bc that also opens up marked

[jolly chasm]

Yeah hunter dash is prob the choice

[tight basin]

yeah i'd probably take hunters dash since i prob wont force athena or pos later

maybe athena for ddash but that's up to you

[plain river]

Nevermind I lose to td3 on an unfortunate js1 room

[jolly chasm]

Rip

[plain river]

I picked up js4 from a chaos boon earlier

So

That probably did me in

Because bow is just stellar at taking out 1000’s of numbskulls

Hmm

I could go for a third tartarus chaos but I’m already at +96% strike damage from him and have way too little hp

@tight basin I’m already critting for 900 why did I take js2.5

Oh my gosh Zeus what a saviour smouldering air

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1244803415704473661/IMG_8532.jpg?ex=66567105&is=66551f85&hm=85461f8ab397ae43bbb30d6697a1b3cfee628d40242103a30e263d93964ffef9&

I just got lernie taxxed

[clear dock]

Eris -> Heartbreak Flourish -> Cluster Bomb, face tank and just hit all 5 bombs every time

hades went down so fast

[long escarp]

Try rocket bomb with cluster bomb

[quaint oar]

hi

[plain river]

✋

[wraith anchor]

is there a place for consistent builds for hades? i feel like I'm playing roulette when i check reddit or youtube for them

[long escarp]

If you ask here, you’re likely to find trustworthy answers from more experienced players with much better consistency than Reddit or YouTube

[wraith anchor]

yeah, its literally either I get a escape thanks to reddit or -30min, im currently in hades1 with bow as my dark thirst rn

[long escarp]

What weapons would you like build suggestions for

[wraith anchor]

coronacht

[proper furnace]

pinned messages

[potent tree]

Reddit gives good Hades advice like schoolchildren give good life advice Can also refer to the second pinned message in this channel for lots of good builds (with explanations!)

[long escarp]

Aphrodite/ Artemis on attack, Athena / Artemis on dash, gameplay loop is dash -> power shot, repeat

[wraith anchor]

any duos to look out for? also any good defensive keepsakes post asphodel

[long escarp]

Evergreen acorn or lucky tooth are best

[wraith anchor]

ok

[long escarp]

Dash strike power shots are the best DPS, and also the best mobility due to charging faster and allowing you to regularly move around

[wraith anchor]

so ill start with artemis keepsake, then athena, call and cast are flexible

then switch to combat keepsakes post asphodel

[long escarp]

Seems like a good plan

[wraith anchor]

one more question what bow aspect

[long escarp]

My advice was for zag bow / no aspect

But the other aspects are also good

[wraith anchor]

ok

[long escarp]

Tho they may need to be upgraded a few times to work well if I remember correctly

[wraith anchor]

yeah i have some royal blood

[long escarp]

Aside from the hidden aspect

[vital night]

as others have said, the pinned blog post will get you 95% of the way to whatever goal you have. If you're looking to push speed and heat even further, the speedrunning discord is a great resource

[keen knot]

guys do u use cast and special alot ?

i barely use them and mostly use attack , am iplaying the game right

[long escarp]

Depends on the weapon

But most weapons make regular use of the special. Not shield tho, or some bows

or base spear special

[proper furnace]

Cast if not focused on still has good value for boiling blood

[long escarp]

Yeah, plus you can pick up phalanx shot or flood shot and get some good value out of those with no additional investment

Or whatever Zeus’ cast is called

[willow fossil]

yeah i always use cast regardless of build, free extra dmg

[potent tree]

How did you become "The Carrot Guy"?

[willow fossil]

you cant

is just me

would ares surge weapon here refer to the call?
https://i.imgur.com/C49tVj3.png

[proper furnace]

ig

[brisk adder]

Best hammers to pair with hera? Flurry shot and what else?

[proper furnace]

Triple iirc

Just good dmg

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you! Does Hera scale with both attack damage and cast damage?

[proper furnace]

Is more like, you are gonna be attacking a lot so might as well triple that

But your main dmg is still the cast

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thank you!

[cloud swift]

also try stygian soul on hera

since it will take so long to pick them up on infernal soul you may as well just use high uptime over burst damage

[proper furnace]

Nah

Only do stygian if you are doing trippy flare

The extra casts from infernal allows to spread dmg to more enemies or burst down an enemy and get the cast back anyways

No need to wait if they are dead

[brisk adder]

I've been bursting them, seems to work well with arty attack

[cloud swift]

that makes sense ive mainly used trippy flare on hera so havent tried out other casts

[jolly chasm]

Try aphro cast

[mellow walrus]

Quick Q: does Zeus+chiron special work the way I think it does or does the bolt only trigger the one time?

[proper furnace]

Once

[mellow walrus]

Thanks!

[proper furnace]

Zeus has internal cooldown

[mellow walrus]

Alas

[vital night]

It’s like 2-3, not on every arrow unfortunately

[plain river]

Zeus bolts will only trigger once every 0.2s per source per enemy. That may be a load of jargon but essentially it means that the single target chiron can only prok a bolt every .2s on the same enemy

[peak saffron]

guyss, what build would you recommend for sm1 who is really not good at h1, what gun, what boons etc

[potent tree]

Can take your pick from the website linked in the second pinned message, I guess. Zeus shield, Zagbow, and Hestia are pretty easy

[amber halo]

And the award for the worst build to ever clear 32 heat goes too.....

[amber halo]

Nevermind, can't seem to upload the screeny 🤣

[proper furnace]

#h1-victory-boasting

[amber halo]

https://tenor.com/view/sidney-poitier-buck-and-the-preacher-tip-your-hat-good-luck-cowboy-gif-6551616300675600023

[compact void]

I don't know how anyone can stand the Bow. It cuts mobility in half, is finicky to aim (on controller), is slow and doesn't do very much damage if you can't do power shot consistently

[proper furnace]

use dash strikes

also who needs aiming, the aim assist is super strong

[worn solar]

Did you turn off auto aim or something

[compact void]

Auto aim sucks ass

I use it and I hate it

I pick up Flurry Shot every time I see it

[willow fossil]

I do agree aim assist is horrible, at least compared to my aim

I'm on mnk so there's that

[clear dock]

auto aim typically aims at the closest enemy which isn't always what you want

[willow fossil]

Yeah it often times targets someone I don't want to so I turned it off

Granted I have no problem aiming without it

[clear dock]

haven't had any issues with it using melee weapons, but ranged can be a bit finicky

[worn solar]

Personally i dont have an issue aiming with auto aim on controller probably since im compensating with positioning ig

Though like auto aim does still care about where you point your stick like it wont 180 lock on the guy thats behind but closer

[willow fossil]

I can see the argument on controller, but on mouse I think is better off

[potent tree]

Yeah, positioning is super key

[worn solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217113690445185024/1245521418200809562/Hades_2024-05-29_16-34-35.mp4?ex=66590db6&is=6657bc36&hm=06087b325c5f359ed8f50157055a645b99bbde734ebf8e59241c18f192c8766e& but anyways bow is plenty mobile and even with explosive its fast enough lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1245522573002018897/image.png?ex=66590eca&is=6657bd4a&hm=72b1756e42b540734f5ca21756c0ff72cb3978b02054442d8ac3a69b375fdc27& athena and charon really dont want me to die lmao

[willow fossil]

Wow that was beautiful, killing bull right before theseus got up

[late tendon]

cannot make this up, bought the anvil of fates, removed one of the trash hammers I got earlier on Rail and got triple rockets lmfao

[errant narwhal]

lol its happened to me before. getting the perfect build right before final boss.... huzzah

[brisk adder]

Does merciful end work with zag bow?

[errant narwhal]

it works with every weapon, itll just be easier to play with specific ones

like fists

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thanks!

[vital night]

Not amazingly but you could do it

% based crit build will usually be better

[brisk adder]

Yeah I'm going blind as trying to level up all keepsakes for the trophy and got Ares to start with and thought I'd try for merciful end lol. Not doing too badly so far, heat 6 and I've got to styx without too much issue

[unreal saffron]

man I do not like the eris rail gameplay

I can see why it's good, not saying it's bad, I'm just not in love with it

[vital night]

Zeus attack and such?

[unreal saffron]

yeah tried that

didn't have pos on dodge tho, that might've been nice

[vital night]

It’s pretty big yeah

Static discharge is a big dps boost

Poseidon call is nice too since you can be hitting for 1k with buff

[plain river]

As long as you get flurry shot it should be ok

[brisk adder]

I did not, died against Hades

[plain river]

Although I think a better aspect for it would be Hera where you can take phalanx shot

~

Maybe

[brisk adder]

Speaking of hera, which casts work best? I know ideal is Aphro but i feel its not as good with Dio and ares

[plain river]

Ares on hera?

[vital night]

Crush shot is ideal

[brisk adder]

Was in Ely and not getting any good cast options 😭

[vital night]

Dio and Athena can work

[vital night]

You should start aphro for crush shot on Hera

[plain river]

Aphro is ideal and beyond aphro you should be fine with anything that isn’t demeter ~ zeus

[vital night]

And then you’ll eventually be offered aphro on attack

[plain river]

I’d probably play Aphro > Dio > Athena > Pos > Artemis > Ares > Zeus > Dem

[brisk adder]

Doesn't the time trippy fog lasts count against it for hera?

[plain river]

You run stygian soul for regen casts and look for extra casts from chaos and wells

[brisk adder]

Ah gotcha

Is it better to use titans blood to unlock an hidden aspect or level up an aspect? Currently choosing between levelling up hera to three and beowulf

[vital night]

Both are fine, it more depends on what you enjoy playing

There’s more than enough blood in the game to max all aspects and have a lot left over

[brisk adder]

Gotcha, thanks for the advice 🙂

[tight basin]

Technically not really, it's more like there's a lot of ambrosia left over that you can trade into titan blood which would be left over lmao

All bounties and fated lists don't give you enough to max all aspects

And iirc assuming perfect fishing odds you'd be short 1 titan blood

Also assuming you don't use the broker at all

I didn't calc how much ambrosia you'd need but you get a lot anyways so it doesn't really matter lmao

[vital night]

Oh hm

I’m like 60 over and I haven’t traded that much ambrosia worth

[tight basin]

Idk but you can do the math yourself and you'd definitely be short without trading lmao

21*6*2 and (5+15+16+15)*6

[vital night]

Yeah I probably traded a lot more than I thought

[plain river]

It’s more of there being infinite blood in the game

[plain river]

Not counting prophecies, fishing, styx shop, black market deals (still trading but not ambrosia)

[brisk adder]

What's best hammers for zagrail? Current options are rocket bomb, cluster bomb and seeking fire

[potent tree]

Spread Fire or the Cluster Rocket combo

[brisk adder]

So cluster bomb then out of my options?

[potent tree]

If you have it, sure. And if you want to aim for Rocket Bomb

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

What are best boons in general for rail? I know Zeus attack but anything else?

[jolly chasm]

Btw little correction, rocket bomb is the pick here for Zag rail. The only hammer you ever take over RB on Zag rail is Spread fire

[jolly chasm]

Jolted, Tdash and a %special are the play

[brisk adder]

Yeah that was my bad, didn't write the options in my initial message (added them just as packrat replied) but will keep that in mind going forward. Thank you!

[brisk adder]

Awesome, thank you!

[jolly chasm]

No problem as Cluster bomb is the third pick anyway

[brisk adder]

Ah awesome! Guess seeking fire sucks?

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, 1 extra damage per shot is just not worth it and the seeking part is unreliable

[potent tree]

Oh noooo I gave suboptimal advice sorry

[brisk adder]

Nah, it was my bad. I didn't give all the information 😔

[brisk adder]

Ah yeah makes sense, thank you!

Ah second hammer I got piercing fire, explosive fire and delta chamber, what's best? Delta chamber?

[plain river]

Delta chamber gives iframes on your dash strikes so unless you end up mega ticked off at theseus and other shield users

Or somehow need more aoe on strike than zeus strike

The play is delta

[brisk adder]

Oh good to know, thank you!

[unreal saffron]

ok I like rail a whole lot more now

I edited steam control so that my right bumper scripts the left bumper 20ms after for automatic reload.

[proper furnace]

follow the bot

[scenic karma]

Oops

🤥

[unreal saffron]

wut?

[rocky arrow]

I just got back into h1, what build should I do lol

[proper furnace]

Super soaker lmao

[rocky arrow]

bet

[trim cargo]

whats the usual best boon for the shield of chaos ?

[plain river]

1. first mistake: assuming anything has a “best” boon (singular)

Anyways your best bet is typically either aphrodite strike + zeus on any other core and getting zeus or dionysus call for smouldering air, or ares strike -> athena special and dash for merciful end and das striking into enemies

[potent tree]

In other words, ignore the Special

[trim cargo]

whats wrong with the special ?

i think the multitude of shield is nice

[plain river]

It’s just, even when maxed, it’s not effective enough to be worth it

even when built around

So the typical recommendation is just what you would suggest for zag shield

[trim cargo]

yeah thats fair
i'll give the zag shield a try then

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/909262132074410014/unknown.png?ex=665a8159&is=66592fd9&hm=3d0eab705b9fc2e94a5a3b06362300bc5e9d50d9da7adc887791d2b577de0dae& just get the boons

[halcyon pebble]

whats the best aspects for each weapon (if there is a definitive best)

[plain river]

Speed:
Sword - Nem
Spear - Achilles
Shield - Beowulf
Bow - Hera
Fist - Demeter
Rail - Eris

Heat:
Sword - Nem
Spear - Guan-Yu
Shield - Zeus
Bow - Rama
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Hestia

If you absolutely have to narrow it down

eris and hestis are also interchangeable for a good portion heat climbing or speedrunning, they just happen to eke out a bit better respectively

[willow fossil]

shackle has spoken 🗣️

[long escarp]

I cast: Multitude of Shield!

[long escarp]

Hestia’s pretty fast too

So is Rama if you’re Ocaml

[alpine tusk]

quick question, how do i check my boons without incrementing the timer?

[long escarp]

Wait until you get a boon/pom/hammer

Or just open the menu and quickly pause and look through the pause menu

[alpine tusk]

got lucky

i just wanted to confirm i got a boon to sell

i had one (Hydraulic Might) and it was available to sell

rest all were ME boons lol

ME prereqs, Divine Dash and Impending Doom

[plain river]

Mentioned that after it

[long escarp]

Yeah I see

[willow fossil]

shackle indeed mentioned it 🗣️

[vital night]

dangerous since you can't block while the special is out. this is only not the case for zeus shield, so it uses a special build

[halcyon pebble]

oh which is best for first clear

[plain river]

What weapons do you enjoy using?

[halcyon pebble]

shield is fun. i did really well with the gun
bow is my worst

[plain river]

Bow being peoples worst is often a matter of standing striking, then followed by mechanical skill and building

[plain river]

Shield I’d recommend Zeus and rail you can either do hestia or eris, hestia is definitely safer but it may take some adjusting to

[halcyon pebble]

how do i get aspect of ???

[willow fossil]

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[plain river]

The hidden aspects? You need to get 5 non-zag aspects then rng dialoue from Achilles to unlock Guan-Yu, then the rest consist of, put 5 blood into the weapon, use the weapon in a run and get a dialogue from z character acknowledging your use of it, then get a 2nd trigger phrase from that same character

character depends on the weapon

Beware rng dialogue

Or check that pinned comment it’s worded a bit better imo

[brisk adder]

Doing a Beowulf run, first hammer got breaching cross and now for second hammer have rending claws, rush kick and concentrated knuckle, what should I pick?

[plain river]

You got breaching cross on beo? What a gamer

[brisk adder]

I was told it was good for fists 😭

[plain river]

I’d take rending claws

[plain river]

Yeah. On fists. I’m marvelling at the fact that you got it on beowulf, a shield

[brisk adder]

Oh 🤣

I meant Gilgamesh

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[plain river]

They’re all kinda

sad

[brisk adder]

Yeah it definitely comes across as such

[plain river]

after breaching cross there really isn’t too much more to pick up

Concentrated knuckle: you’re using dash strike 98% of the time

So it doesn’t matter

Rush kick is rush kick

So I’d take rending claws

I wonder if Cherry ever talked about gilga hammers

[brisk adder]

Thank you!

[vital night]

i think it's breaching first and then rending

[tight basin]

yeah breaching > rending > explosive

breaching bc it's breaching

rending over explosive bc getting a bigger meg on bull is more worth it than a big meg on both heroes

and also rending kills stuff faster

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[proper furnace]

use mort

[wet axle]

i forget i have him sometimes

[cloud obsidian]

I love the bear punching gloves. The damage is always so satifying

[wet axle]

oh this is demeter

yoked special

[vagrant crane]

is the damage ever satisfactory on fists

[unreal saffron]

what dyo and aphro powers go good together?

[cedar condor]

Depends on weapon and aspect

Like, for fists, Aphrodite dash and Dionysus attack would work well

[plain river]

❌ dio strike + aphrodite special

[long escarp]

Depends on your definition of “well”

[plain river]

On any weapon, you put dionysus on the faster of strike and special, and aphroditr on the slower harder hitting

[unreal saffron]

I like Demeter on fists, especially with her aspect

[unreal saffron]

any thoughts on which sword aspect to use, if any?

[tight basin]

nemesis is widely considered the best sword aspect

poseidon is good if you want to play sword without playing sword

[long escarp]

Nemesis is satisfying

[clear dock]

does nemesis want aphro attack?

[plain river]

Yep

[unreal saffron]

why aphro?

Highest base %?

Do crit chances stack, if I were to put artemis there?

[worn solar]

Biggest % which is especially good due to crit chance having something big to multiply off of. Aphro also has weak which is good for heartrend and you can add zeus in your pool for smouldering air

The crit chance from arty would stack with the crit from nem buff but itd be inefficient unless you get a lot of chaos

[unreal saffron]

what about spear aspects

[worn solar]

Achilles is the best generally

[plain river]

The consistency of aphrodite trumps artemis bonus crit chance

Your crits needs to actually do damage for them to matter

so you put aphrodite on strike for her damage bonus, and you take artemis elsewhere so you csn get heart rend for more crit damage, and hunters mark for consistent crits

[clear dock]

What's the best aspect for poseidon? I kinda want to try focusing him.

[plain river]

Every aspect absolutely rocks the tidal dash boon

beowulf will benefit from tidal flare (the cast), and aside from that I can give you a few less meta builds that use him for other purposes

[vital night]

Swords, rails, and spears

[burnt hazel]

Hi, been trying to get the 30% Thanatos butterfly achievement while simultaneously rocking Aspect of Arthur sword in practice for the Weapon of Fate achievement. What's the best way for me to practice not getting hit? Restart immediately on hit or full run?

[tight basin]

not using arthur would be a start lol

hestia is the best and easiest aspect to do no hit with

longest range that isn't a spear throw and has more consistent damage than arthur

and doesn't have a big ass windup

[burnt hazel]

Hestia is the shield? I do not have access to it

[tight basin]

rail

[burnt hazel]

the laser gun????????

[tight basin]

no

reload every shot for an empowered shot

150 base damage

[potent tree]

Is like shooting our Arthurs

[plain river]

reload sniper

[burnt hazel]

Just mentioned I am also aiming for Weapon of Fate — it must be a Hidden Aspect I'm clearing with

[tight basin]

welp

guan yu if you get charged skewer is basically hestia lmao

otherwise just use beo and nuke everything

[burnt hazel]

Also clearing with some really bad Mirror perks for Dark Reflections

[tight basin]

perhaps dont do them all at the same time

[burnt hazel]

Trying to up as little Heat as possible so the more I can do in a single clear the better

[tight basin]

what heat are you on rn

[burnt hazel]

1 for everything except rail — I think rail's on 6

[tight basin]

you could just do separate runs for each prophecy

1 heat difference this low isn't gonna do anything that drastic lmao

as long as you dont take horrid pacts basically

[burnt hazel]

I've cleared an 8 Heat run for Skelly but I've been in so much pain for the past few runs I've forgotten which weapon that clear was on

[tight basin]

i mean that's fine

but honestly just do them separately if you're struggling

you're probably gonna spend more runs attempting all 3 prophecies at once just to clear 1 time

[burnt hazel]

I tried that and choked 3 times straight. So might as well push myself on early stages

[tight basin]

i mean you do you

if you really want to then i guess beowulf as long as you use infernal soul

but that has a decent learning curve to it so idk how well you're gonna do hitless for that

and also considering that you actually need to use god keepsakes to get a good build and butterfly sucks

[brisk adder]

Doing a zagbow run and have Ares, dio, Zeus and Poseidon as my options, who would be best for attack?

[potent tree]

None of them

If you have to pick, Poseidon

[brisk adder]

Rng gods were not in my favour 😭

[tight basin]

this is deeply unfortunate lmao

ngl zeus into jolted probably isn't like

the worst thing

pos % is so low that jolted might be better

[potent tree]

Oh. Listen to the Bananas

[vital night]

That’s uh

[brisk adder]

I definitely shall, thanks for the advice!

[vital night]

Yeah that’s gonna be a reset in my book

Tidal dash shackle if you must

[brisk adder]

It's a no heat run as I'm levelling up dio's keepsake so its not all bad

[tight basin]

tbf pos atk isn't necessarily a bad choice here either considering the situation lmao

those two are probably the most realistic options

just a cursed god pool for bow

if you're not gonna take shackle at least

[brisk adder]

Aphro just appeared all the way in Ely so that saved this horrid run

[tight basin]

dont you already have a full god pool

where did aphro come from lmao

[brisk adder]

I haven't picked anything of Poseidon, maybe that's why? I was only getting him, Ares, Dio and Zeus. She just randomly appeared in bull fight lol

[tight basin]

oh yeah that makes sense then

[worn solar]

Tidal dash start is pretty decent

[brisk adder]

Dio was my start, didn't get Poseidon until I had filled special, cast and dash

[plain river]

Guys why is Zeus giving me lightning strike 1/10 attempts

Rng

[clear dock]

would've been nice to have a hammer that reduces max ammo to 1 and increases damage

[tight basin]

i mean

that's just hestia

[plain river]

yeah I mean that’s certainly something they could have added to the game

[tight basin]

you just described hestia but with more steps lmao

[clear dock]

fewer steps actually

[tight basin]

more bc it wastes a hammer

[clear dock]

not really

[brisk adder]

So for Hestia (not played it yet) it's best to reload after every hit?

[tight basin]

yes

[plain river]

yes

[tight basin]

i mean yeah it literally is lmao

[brisk adder]

Ah good to know, thank you!

[clear dock]

so you have to press 2 buttons at least, or 3 to play optimally, right?

[tight basin]

bc the other aspects have good hammers they'd rather have over that

[clear dock]

more steps.

[plain river]

Compared to

[clear dock]

a hammer that sets max ammo to 1

[plain river]

Hestia and this would have the same amount of gameplay steps

You still have to attack, reload, and dash

[tight basin]

you still end up wasting a hammer

[clear dock]

nah, because it would increase damage significantly... not a waste

[tight basin]

it's a waste bc there's better hammers

[clear dock]

and reload is automatic

[worn solar]

Certain cases like shooting low hp enemies like numbskulls you can use the reg attack. Or removing dc hearts when bp2 gives you savior enemies

[plain river]

Neither of those were stated prior.

It’s also just… why have a hammer that’s just Hestia 2?

[clear dock]

would've been nice to have a hammer that reduces max ammo to 1 and increases damage

[plain river]

yeah

[clear dock]

it was stated previously?

[plain river]

That doesn’t say the damage itself, so no indicator if it’s more, less, equal to hestia’s damage. And an auto reload was never mentioned

[clear dock]

it would obviously stack with hestia

but I can see why it doesn't exist

as it would probably just be terrible for anything but hestia

[plain river]

Atp you just have a purely hestia boosting hammer where any other rail see’s it and is like… I already have zeus strike

[tight basin]

that hammer just sounds like it's specifically designed for hestia but also there'd unironically still be better hammers lmfao

[clear dock]

at the same time, it would probably be the best hammer for hestia

[tight basin]

ricochet shot would be better

nah

rocket/hazard

rocket into cluster ofc

ricochet bc it hits 2 enemies for more effective damage per room

tech piercing too

unless that hammer increases base damage then maybe it might be better than piercing

[plain river]

hestia isn’t dying for more damage on each shot

[tight basin]

but i dont see it being taken over hazard or ricochet at high heat

[plain river]

It’s gripe is aoe and the speed of it’s hits

[clear dock]

500%+ damage wouldn't be good?

[plain river]

It wouldn’t be better than say ricochet or rocket or cluster or hazard for high heat

[tight basin]

given a large enough number anything would be good

[clear dock]

so base 12 ammo...

[tight basin]

you can't just choose an unreasonably high number and use that as a gotcha

[clear dock]

it would have to be at least 500%, likely more

to justify taking it

[plain river]

it’s not about the base ammo/damage. It’s about the fact that other hammers add better functionality

[tight basin]

sure if we take all the 11 ammo it's taking away, that's 110 more damage

so like

eh

[plain river]

Hestia is not dying for single target dps compared to aoe

[tight basin]

probably comparable to ricochet at that point

assuming it'd be % and not base damage

[clear dock]

11 * 100 = 1100% damage

[tight basin]

where are you getting 100 from

[plain river]

*100 from where?

[clear dock]

each bullet deals 100% damage

[plain river]

That’s some “you can only lose 100% of your money gambling” -

[clear dock]

so if you're combining all bullets it would be +1100% damage (or 1200%?)

[tight basin]

where is the 100% coming from lmao

[plain river]

I’ll referain from finishing that statement

[clear dock]

did you fail math?

[tight basin]

i mean no but you haven't said where it's coming from

[clear dock]

from a hypothetical hammer that combines your ammo into a "sniper shot"

[tight basin]

im not even asking a math problem im just asking where the number came from lmao

[plain river]

He’s saying because you remove 11 bullets from the magazine you put the full base damage onto the first bullet

I think?

[clear dock]

yeah

[plain river]

+1100% base damage

[tight basin]

yeah the 11 bullets i get

oh the hammer gives the 100%

[clear dock]

I suppose that could make it relevant to other aspects...

[tight basin]

yeah you do realize an extra 1100% is a stupid number that would be rebalanced immeidately

[clear dock]

100% additional damage for each max ammo

[plain river]

The +% that the hammer gives you doesn’t need to be tied to something like how many bullets you remove

and it really shouldn’t be

[clear dock]

then zag would be bonkers

[tight basin]

like realistically speaking it'd be like

200% max

[plain river]

zag would suck

[tight basin]

like hazard bomb has a clear downside and it's like 300% or something?

[clear dock]

zag would be 2300% damage per attack

[plain river]

240 base damage shot compared to spreadfire?

[plain river]

+2300% of 10 damage is 230

[clear dock]

ok

[plain river]

[clear dock]

so hestia is still better

[plain river]

Spreadfire makes every shot 40, and your attack speed far outpaces the reload time

[plain river]

Yes but there is no point to making a hammer that purely boosts hestia in the one area where Hestia is already queen

[clear dock]

right

[tight basin]

the hammer is only good if it gives a stupidly high %, which could be said about all hammers frankly

except maybe sniper shot lmao

[plain river]

if hoarding slash gave 1000% of obols as extra damage would it be good

Ofc

[tight basin]

like most of the time, functionality > damage

which is why twin shot is prefered over triple

and why sniper shot is never used

and why cshot is so good too

cshot also gets the added benefit of having a base 80 damage no matter the charge

but even if it did like 40 it'd still be better

well maybe not over pulv blow

but it'd be like a decent pick, prob just not meta

[plain river]

this hammer would likely never ever see any use on anything but Hestia, either because it makes your attack unusable in the case of eris, or is just worse than spreadfire for zag rail. At the same time, on hestia itself, this would purely boost your single target damage when hestia has that in spades and really needs more for AoE to get rid of hoards, which is why ricochet, and the special upgrades would be preferable

[tight basin]

yeah hestia doesnt need more single target damage except in heroes and em4 high heat

the single bullet hammer would be good if you got like ricochet with it too

[plain river]

Or explosive or piercing ig

[tight basin]

but it's quite literally a hammer designed for only hestia so it's not great game design lmao

[clear dock]

there are already hammers that only affect one or two aspects, to be fair