h1-builds-and-combat

[vagrant crane]

note how the super soaker wr is like 6:40

[potent tree]

*TL note: Super Soaker = poseidon attack + Sea Storm on rail

I wonder if we can't find a Super Soaker speedrun for comparison

Like take one of jazz's average Eris zap runs and compare to that 6:40 WR maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPezIahsnU

[vagrant crane]

would need to use luci

thing about luci is that its more focused on the special damage for a lot of the run

[potent tree]

Oh yeah, that would probably be a fairer comparison

[lucid oar]

Zeus attack is also far better at spreading jolted which is the main thing that scales zeus damage in the later biomes anyway

Sea storm on its own feels pretty mid anyway

[potent tree]

Yeah. I don't understand why datboi was disregarding Jolted so hard

[lucid oar]

Like yes if you start with pos attack and sea storm in c1 then it’ll be better

But realistically you’ll be able to find splitting at the same time as sea storm, and splitting > sea storm

[potent tree]

That kinda debunks the entire Sea Storm argument on its own hm

[vagrant crane]

it’s crazy how you keep missing the point

yeah you’ve already made up your mind

literally top players in the world have made objectively correct refutations

and u just do not care

[lucid oar]

Dem attack arctic blast is better than sea storm because 80 > 40

[vagrant crane]

TRUE

[lucid oar]

And epic doom is 100 so it trumps all

[potent tree]

I mean... it's not bad in like a vacuum, but it comes way too late and requires a lot of luck and comes at the cost of playing a weak rail until laaaaaate into the run

[vagrant crane]

how is knockback on attack good

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[lucid oar]

U can do all that but 100x better with tidal dash

Thats one way of putting it

[vagrant crane]

erasing

in like a minute

something’s not adding up

[potent tree]

Maybe it's a language barrier

"Good" vs like "good"

[vagrant crane]

if you have a good build below like 45 heat i struggle to see how any boss would be anywhere near 60 sec

[potent tree]

datboi, the problem is you're trying to argue objective numbers and subjective experience at the same time

Sure, but you're ignoring every possible nuance to actually playing the game

[vagrant crane]

i love cryptically saying people “are super into trains” for being good at games

very normal

[lucid oar]

15 on hit damage is in chamber 1

40 is minimum chamber 3 and 90% of the time its after Tartarus

[vagrant crane]

i also love being intentionally obtuse

[lucid oar]

Then in that case merciful end doom has the highest on hit damage

[vagrant crane]

because you have to take pos atk

[lucid oar]

Around 800 damage per proc

[vagrant crane]

which blows

and wait for half the game to get sea storm

requiring you to take a zeus core

what

[tight basin]

each god has the same chance to show up unless you force them or if your pool is full and they're part of it

[lucid oar]

Also its good to not put all ur eggs in one basket

[vagrant crane]

i mean first off that is literally a speedrunning strat

[lucid oar]

Strongest eris builds will have the dash, attack and special doing a ton of damage

[vagrant crane]

but the other way around

for zeus attack and then tidal dash

because pos atk sucks

adding duo reliance sucks

[lucid oar]

Pretty hard to make the dash and special do stuff if youre banking on a duo boon in the attack

[tight basin]

have you tried the other way yet

[potent tree]

This one's buying lottery tickets instead of making steady investments

[tight basin]

isn't pos atk on rail weaker

[vagrant crane]

i do not trust your ability to evaluate builds

[tight basin]

until you get sea storm which could take a while

or not at all

yeah pos atk is still weaker

pos atk is still lower lmao

[lucid oar]

Zeus attack with jolted isnt supposed to carry the whole run

[potent tree]

Hey quick question: are you holding down the attack button on rail?

[lucid oar]

That’s whay i said about putting all your eggs in one basket

[tight basin]

i mean sure but it's not that much of a damage increase

[vagrant crane]

why

why would you do that

[lucid oar]

It carries all the way to mid asphodel if you can pom jolted a couple times

[tight basin]

compared to zeus atk it's like a 25-30 flat damage increase

[vagrant crane]

why would you let it off in bursts

[plain river]

Dash to not get hit

[lucid oar]

And still does significant damage after that

[potent tree]

Oh. OH. This explains so much

[plain river]

Walking around in combat is too slow without rush hyper sprint

[vagrant crane]

you said bursts

[plain river]

Theres no reason to take your hand off the attskc button

you dash and keep the button held

You’ll still dash strike

so you never need to take your hand of

Or

“Shoot in bursts”

[potent tree]

I'm a genius

[plain river]

Yes

[lucid oar]

Well

[vagrant crane]

why would you call it that

[lucid oar]

If you constantly hold attack you’ll probably get stunned

And lose time

[plain river]

Yeah but dash striking shoots it faster

alsp yes you will want to take your hand off to dodge aoes

Since dash striking removes your iframes

[potent tree]

You should be proactively kiting anyway, so you should see lots of dash-strikes aka nonstop fire

That's a problem

[plain river]

No you execute another shot sooner

ok but you’re getting jumbled up in terminolofy

Let me get this clear

You are dash striking right?

so what’s the issue

It isn’t

It literally doubles your dps without any rng

And

[tight basin]

in a vacuum, sea storm does more damage

[plain river]

sea storm has a longer cooldown and you’re knocking enemies out of your own range

[tight basin]

but throughout the course of the run, lightning strike will give more value

i mean technically it does

[vagrant crane]

it literally does

[plain river]

He does

over the course of your run you’ll get better dps

[vagrant crane]

its impossible to get anything thru ur thick skull

[potent tree]

Maybe we should define DPS

[plain river]

15 can hit multipke enemies and you have it from the start

You spread static discharge around from the chain lightning for higher dps as well

[tight basin]

the run doesnt exist in a vacuum

where all that matters is just numbers

[gilded vapor]

any tips for beating the banshees? Only enemy I struggle with 😭

[tight basin]

#h2-discussion

[vagrant crane]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[potent tree]

datboi, do you know the term DPS?

[plain river]

Yeah but that’s like saying a 10 damage divine dash is better dps than a 5 damage drunken strike because it’s a bigger number

[lucid oar]

Nobody here is saying that 40 is a smaller number than 15

[tight basin]

i mean sure but that doesnt mean it's better

[vagrant crane]

you keep saying 40 15 40 15

omg

[plain river]

Theres a difference between base damage and function/reliabilit

[vagrant crane]

it does

[potent tree]

datboi, are you aware of "DPS" AKA "damage per time"?

[vagrant crane]

you will deal more damage over the run

[plain river]

It will provide you more damage (in dps) over your run

[vagrant crane]

if you take zeus

you will have higher dps if you take zeus attack at the start

[tight basin]

30% of a base 10 bullet is 3 damage lol

[lucid oar]

Doom is the best attack on rail because it does the most damage

Done

[plain river]

Like if I say hunting blades has better damage then your base cast

[tight basin]

true

[potent tree]

The 30% doesn't affect Sea Storm

[plain river]

“But 50 is higher than 20”

Except blades isn’t only doing 20

[vagrant crane]

ur brain is fried

its mega garbage

[plain river]

Is slicing shot worse damage than your regular cast because it does like 20 damage per hit when your base cast does 50?

[vagrant crane]

are u calling me like autistic or something

[potent tree]

Given datboi is completely ignoring DPS, I'm calling this a bad troll

[vagrant crane]

yeah and you keep saying it

and you never accept anything otherwise

[potent tree]

Not to be rude, but you're being intentionally obtuse

[vagrant crane]

it does

[tight basin]

we've also been saying the functionality of lightning strike over the course of the whole run gives more value/damage/dps than sea storm lol

[plain river]

It does do more damage. It does not have a higher base damage. Those are 2 independent facts

[vagrant crane]

you can say in one way that zeus attack would deal out more damage over the course of the run

also taking zeus attack at the start of the run will lead to higher dps at any given point of the run

[tight basin]

which is why everyone has been saying that lightning strike does more damage than sea storm on rail

[vagrant crane]

because instead of wasting your life getting sea storm you can get arty special and tdash

etc etc

[plain river]

Except it isn’t

It’s not as good

it is not good because of unreliability and you lack the aoe

you miss out on a huge contributing factor to zeus strikes damage

The aoe

of the chain

and

I’m not talking about hypotheticals

I’m talking about what happens when you are in a run

You have to suffer through poseidon strike to get there

[vagrant crane]

to get it you need pos atk

it literally requires having made a build mistake

[plain river]

I wouldn’t turn it down, I would simply just not be in the situation where I have pos strike on rail

[tight basin]

i mean no one would
the problem isn't the fact that you have sea storm
the problem is that you're using poseidon attack to get sea storm, which is objectively bad lmao

[vagrant crane]

maybe your bosses are 60 seconds cause ur sitting there with pos atk poking meg with 13 damage

there is a 0% chance that happens

[plain river]

A) he didn’t give you tidal dash?
B) why are you not running god keepsakes

[vagrant crane]

first boon always gives you 3 cores on first screen

literally any other core is better than atk from pos

[plain river]

You can literally choose whic

[vagrant crane]

why are you using butterfly

[potent tree]

Butterfly is incredibly weak. Like absolutely horrid

[plain river]

It’s extremely costly

You throw away all build control for minimal damage

And

That’s a huge damage down

[vagrant crane]

"I make bad decisions and im intentionally obtuse and i wont accept loads of way better players explanations please please free marketplace of ideas with me"

[lucid oar]

Butterfly doesnt boost your damage by much if you dont do damage in the first place

[plain river]

you get the +% bonus but you loss the ability to choose your damage sources

And choosing your damage sources is a huge factor in your damage output

[potent tree]

Butterfly with perfect play averages like what...20% *additive throughout a run?

[tight basin]

you're more likely to deal 30-40% more damage in general if you have a good build rather than using butterfly lol

[tight basin]

i think like 40 max

[vagrant crane]

itll get up to like 50

[tight basin]

not like absurd

[vagrant crane]

so average maybe 25

[tight basin]

20% is like realistic-ish

[vagrant crane]

but with like normal play itll be more like 20

[lucid oar]

Ive got it to high 60s but thats no-hit avoid free rooms force 5 sack

[plain river]

And at the same time you threw away the choice to literally double your attack damage out of the gates

For 30% additive

on a bad build

[vagrant crane]

why do u want arthur

[plain river]

[vagrant crane]

cause it sucks

[tight basin]

that might be bc you have poseidon atk lol

[vagrant crane]

also it doesnt have 90

[plain river]

base damage is not the holy grail dude

[vagrant crane]

butterfly does not affect base damage

then use hestia

[plain river]

The ability a weapon has to deal damage is measured in “damage/time”

[vagrant crane]

dawg

[plain river]

But it’s higher base damage

150

[tight basin]

my dude hestia has a base damage of 150 and it's actually consistent unlike arthur lmao

[plain river]

[tight basin]

cant argue with that i suppose

[plain river]

Arthur takes 6 years to do one 200 damage hit where Hestia takes way less time to do 150

[tight basin]

arthur does look better

unfortunately just performs worse lmao

[vagrant crane]

arthur actually mega ugly though

[plain river]

Ok but you could use a big bow id you wanted that

[vagrant crane]

nem looks way better

[potent tree]

Bananas so reasonable

[plain river]

Play Rama

[lucid oar]

You’d need 3000% on the butterfly to get rail bullets to deal 300 damage

[tight basin]

lmfao

doable

[plain river]

Or play Beowulf if you want big damage numbers

Bugowolf is king

of big damage numbers

[potent tree]

All hail bugowulf

[plain river]

I think this conversation has actually lowered my iq

I’m heading out to play

Terraria

[tight basin]

lmfao

[pure lily]

Uh so I'm trying to decide between the Pom keepsake or the thanatos butterfly pin

[tight basin]

ideally neither

[proper furnace]

Neither really

[potent tree]

Standard keepsake rotation is
important Olympian's keepsake #1 ->
important Olympian's keepsake #2 ->
Hourglass/Acorn ->
Acorn/Earring/something

[pure lily]

no way i'm going with the olympian boons

I'm going between black shawl, pierced butterfly, and pom blossom currently

[vagrant crane]

why

those are all very bad keepsakes

[potent tree]

I think Fisher is fishing for reactions

[pure lily]

I dont know the meta, I prefer the damage boost

the olympian boons just give rarity boosts for that god

[potent tree]

You picked out the three worst keepsakes though. Coincidence?

The Olympians' keepsakes force appearances of their respective gods

[plain river]

Being able to force the god you want in gives you about 100% of your damage

which is a lot more than whatever small additive bonus butterlfy will give

[potent tree]

Emphasis on additive

The rule of thumb is that being able to make a nice, cohesive, synergistic build via Olympians' keepsakes absolutely trumps the small bonuses that the offensive keepsakes provide. Exception granted to Skull Earring at the very end of some runs

[pure lily]

I don't have all the duo and heroic unlocked yet in my log

So i'm working on that

afterward I might figure out builds

[plain river]

Even then hunt for them with cohesive builds in mind

If you looking for a duo or legendary

Take the god keepsakes on weapons where you know which cores you’ll be taking on what

[pure lily]

Well yeah, I'm trying for black out currently

[plain river]

say you need stubborn roots, you might say “hey well athena and demeter are good +% damage on attack and special, why don’t I take dem on special and athena on attack on chiron” (I know I just advocated for a bad aspect and a bad duo but you get the idea)

Since both bows strike and chirons special are big base damage hits

Wrong channel

I don’t know what any of that word vomit means

(Word vomit as in it’s just a mess to me)

(It could be a good thing idk)

You’re looking for #h2-builds-and-combat

[vital night]

Two hours of “40>15” is crazy btw

Just take shackle start

Every hit is 300

[plain river]

Shackle advocate here: Yes

Do that

[vital night]

Also out of 4 hestia runs, I’ve taken shackle from aspho to Styx in 2 of them

Game does not like giving me boons

[turbid needle]

Hey, so I have to complete the lucifer aspect run with the gun for a prophecy

And I barely use the gun so idk anything about it

What build should I try to make?

[crude patio]

triple shot bow (Dae hammer) your attack launces 3 arrows in 3 directions right if so can i get those 3 arrows to hit the same target if close enough or no?

[lucid oar]

Yes

[raven blade]

which keepsake is best 4 the bow with aspect of hera ?

[knotty sigil]

that upgrade that turns the rail into a shotgun sucks

[jolly chasm]

Aphro keepsake start for crush shot, then build around cast

[jolly chasm]

Spread fire is good on Zag rail but does suck everywhere else

[knotty sigil]

i also haven't upgraded any of the gun's aspects

ah well

i did it for the fates anyway

not doing well with the rail

i felt with the zeus boon this did way more damage last time i used it

which was years ago

[manic rose]

how good is going with a god specific keepsake over something like lucky tooth? I was thinking of getting max rank for artemis keepsake

[proper furnace]

Very good
The idea is to start with the god you want for your build then later in the run (around Elysium-styx)

[knotty sigil]

fated authority or persuasion?

[proper furnace]

Persuasion

[knotty sigil]

got you

another question

i'm trying to figure out how to do a crystal build with the spear

can i get a rundown please?

[proper furnace]

Uhhh
Stygian soul in mirror (prob legacy too)
Start dem keepsake and grab cast
Hope you get arty during tartarus (and another dem boon for glaciar glare, pom this)
Visit any chaos you can for +1 cast

In aspho you want to force arty if you don't have her yet (or got her but no duo)

[knotty sigil]

got you

[proper furnace]

For elysium you can do charon keepsake, if you buy anything mod biome/post boss it should last to dad on a 2 sack, then after you buy you can swap to like acorn for styx for safety

[knotty sigil]

ok

[proper furnace]

Hammers just take flurry jab, Poseidon's dash is great to have actual dmg before the duo

(also opens mirage shot if you care about that)

[knotty sigil]

what boon do i want from arty?

[proper furnace]

Attack ideally, doesn't matter much

I'd avoid call until you pick up your hermes boons for better odds

[knotty sigil]

hermes has boons that affect call?

[jolly chasm]

Hermes gains 2 boons when you take a call

[knotty sigil]

just realised i have not upgrade stygian soul at all

[candid vine]

Bought the nemesis blade

Sword is so fun omg

[potent tree]

Sword goes nyooooom

[outer turtle]

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that doesnt seem correct

[jolly chasm]

Hades 2 pls

[potent tree]

This doesn't seem to be the correct channel
#h2-builds-and-combat

[outer turtle]

oh my fault

[knotty sigil]

never seen glaciar glare in my life

[manic rose]

I have the aspect of chiron bow but I can't seem to get good damage out of it. are where some specific boons needed to make it good?

[tight basin]

do you have it at a decent level

[manic rose]

only at lvl 2

[tight basin]

yeah that's prob why lmao

it needs to be like lvl 4 to deal meaningful damage

you get like 5 arrows which works for hangover tho

so start dionysus special and get aphrodite attack

maybe get the duo low tolerance

since you have it at a low level, you wanna get relentless volley first and then concentrated volley

once your get chiron to a higher level, you can switch the order

chiron doesnt particularly have good damage, it's just pretty okay and easy to use

[knotty sigil]

which gods can give you back your extra life?

[tight basin]

only athena

she has 2 boons that can give you defiances back

gotta have the prereqs tho

[potent tree]

And very rarely Chaos!

[tight basin]

oh yeah lmao

[knotty sigil]

ima just redo the entire run i just started doing heat mode

i didn't even select anything that buffs the enemies i chose the timer

but i started playing sloppy

[manic rose]

is there anyway to get the hammer to spawn at the start similarly to the keepsakes of gods?

[tight basin]

nope

iirc you have a 25% chance to start with it at spawn

[knotty sigil]

ok let's say i'm doing a nemesis blade run

i chose art trinket and and got the attack and an aphro special

what should i do to better my chances of a duo boon between the two?

[potent tree]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[fresh dragon]

I did my first escape with the Aspect of Zeus Shield of Chaos, and it was decently effective in terms of its DPS combined with Hangover, Ares Dash & Doom attacks.

Does anyone have a good beginner friendly build that could help me be less reliable on the safe options that the shield allows for? I want to try and get better for higher heat with all the weapons

I’ve seen the Chiron Bow in action and was thinking something like

Athena Dash
Dionysis / Demetet Special
Aphrodite Attack
Poseidon Cast

I’m new so I’m sure of what duos exist here, but applying debuffs and damage over time seems like the way to go with that weapon

[tight basin]

Gods legacy (even tho pride is better)
Yarn from wells
Nectar from Eurydice
Filling cores while not opening other duos

[tight basin]

A good number of duos are there but the main one you want is low tolerance (Dio and Aphrodite)

The other duos don't really add damage except like sweet nectar technically but you'd rather have low tolerance

[vital night]

arty spec and concentrated/relentless volley are probably the best potential

[fresh dragon]

Yeah Low Tolerance looks really good, especially with leveled up Hangover Damage

[fresh dragon]

I’ll give this a try as well

[potent tree]

Nobody here's getting the bug because this is a Hades channel. You might want #h2-builds-and-combat

[manic rose]

weapon/aspect is the easiest to finish the game without needing to rely on luck for specific hammers/boons for a person without much skill?

[fresh dragon]

I used Aspect of Zeus Shield. It’s very safe and works well with Hangover, Doom and Weak inflicting boons. I recommend the following:

Dio Special
Ares Attack + Call
Aphro Dash
Zeus Cast

For duos look for Low Tolerance, Curse of Longing, and Curse of Nausea in that order. Not sure of the pre-reqs but you can always check before picking your boons early game

[vital night]

hestia rail

start with aphrodite attack and just attack, reload, attack, reload through the entire game

[knotty sigil]

what does hestia rail do?

[proper furnace]

If you manually reload your first bullet has extra dmg

At lvl 5 is 150 dmg

[knotty sigil]

that sounds like a hideous way to play

[proper furnace]

Is pretty much a rhythm game

[knotty sigil]

ugh

[potent tree]

It's hideous like shooting a bolt-action rifle

[torn breach]

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What does the legendary boon do if you don't have death defiance but the other one

[proper furnace]

You just gain a death defiance anyways

[torn breach]

Alright thanks

[knotty sigil]

i swear when hades does that spin the game slows down and doesn't read my dodge input

when i'm doing a nemesis arti/aphro run what other boon should i get so i can trigger the two curse buff

[potent tree]

Should switch from Privileged Status to Family Favorite. PS takes too long to kick in per enemy, often requires suboptimal builds, and isn't that much stronger than the always-active Family Favorite

[knotty sigil]

are you suggesting a perma swap or just for this build?

[potent tree]

Permanent. FF is better in the vast, vast majority of cases

[knotty sigil]

ok

you would not believe the difficulty i've been having in trying to force this duo boom

*boon

[potent tree]

Yep. 10-12% chances can be nasty

[knotty sigil]

that's WITH upgrades?

[potent tree]

I think that's without buffs to Duo + Legendary chances

[vagrant crane]

its per slot

[knotty sigil]

i swear the bone hydra only gets hits on me because i'm so greedy

[potent tree]

Hydra gets the best of us

[knotty sigil]

and it took me this long to realize i could just damage down astereus

without hitting theseus until i'm ready

i love piercing wave

even without the bull he is still not fun to fight

[fresh dragon]

Got my Aspect of Zeus shield maxed out, it’ll be the weapon I use to grind out heat and titan blood for more weapons

[sullen bough]

does anyone have any recommendations for first weapon as a player with no aspects of any weapon, just running through the game, not even making it past Asphodel yet?

I have aegis, sword, bow, and fists

I like the shield because it helps me avoid damage without needing to parry or dash too much

[tight basin]

shield's good

kinda has eh damage without a good hammer but you can still make do without it

[sullen bough]

fists suck in my experience

can't dodge anything

[tight basin]

they're alright

i mean

that's not a fists issue lmao

it's harder but it's still very much so doable

[sullen bough]

what am I doing wrong then

[tight basin]

prob not using flat damage on the attack

[potent tree]

Are you applying Zeus attack directly to fists (attack)?

[sullen bough]

there are some aoe boss spells that really wreck without dodging

[tight basin]

your dash gives you iframes

so use them accordingly

[potent tree]

But crucially, not your dash-strikes

[sullen bough]

I'm such a noob I'm just talking about the first boss fight with meg or the furies

the aoe that she sends out

hard to dodge without aegis for me

[potent tree]

Are you paying attention to her tells? She floats up for a fraction of a second before she AOE whips

[sullen bough]

but that part is inevitable right?

so I just need to learn to be able to dodge it

or block it

[tight basin]

yeah more or less

you're still pretty new to the game so a lot of stuff is gonna take some time

[sullen bough]

I can just sit in a corner with aegis and tank that spell

but with other weapons not so much

[tight basin]

yeah that's what makes shield pretty good lmao

[sullen bough]

I guess I'm asking, before any aspects or upgrades to your character or weapons, what is the most OP

[tight basin]

whatever you feel most comfortable with

some people like fists more, some shiled, some bow, etc

at this point in the game it really doesnt matter what you use

[potent tree]

For default aspects, maybe bow or rail

[tight basin]

it's more so how you build it than how you play it

[sullen bough]

I like the shield

I think I'm gonna stick with my babe aegis

and then later maybe explore more dangerous, spicy situations

[tight basin]

yeah just get the good hammers tbh

[potent tree]

It's a good choice, especially if you can build a rhythm of dash-strike into Bull Rush

[sullen bough]

also is mars a good option with aegis special

I like it a lot

aoe damage over time

[tight basin]

technically speaking yes but it's better to build towards the attack

in general at least

[sullen bough]

what is the meta strongest god or is that situational?

[tight basin]

for the attack, aphrodite

big % good

although that's onl meaningful damage with charged shot and pulverizing blow

and kinda dashing wallop

you can do lightning strike and get static discharge since it's only a base 25 atk iirc

[sullen bough]

and is it a good early game (like as in, early in the progression, not as in early in the levels progressed towards beating hades) strat to go for things that will build up your character like keys, nectar etc?

like persistent buffs

not just "this run" buffs

[tight basin]

kinda depends how close you are to unlocking a certain thing imo

[loud plover]

whats a good keepsake for sheild

[tight basin]

it's kinda vibes based imo

if you feel like grinding meta game resources then sure, but you can also just try to get as far as you can if you feel like it too

and just like eventually get the things as you push as far as you can

[tight basin]

@loud plover

[loud plover]

why is this better than any of the other keepsakes for shield

[tight basin]

because large % good

it has a decent base damage so you want to buff that up as much as possible

she's got the largest % modifier in the game with a really good pom scaling

[sullen bough]

yeah I love aegis, good gap closing abilities with charge, some ranged ability with special, and tons of defensive ability while I build up a sense for attacks and how I might dodge them with other weapons in the future

[potent tree]

I appreciate this slice of bread

[sullen bough]

no clue what I'm doing with my right mouse button

unused as of now

[drifting lichen]

ehem.

[tight basin]

the cast?

[sullen bough]

yes

[tight basin]

you can use that for a free 50% attack buff on enemies if you have boiling blood in the mirror

[sullen bough]

a shiny red diamond that does nothing for me

[tight basin]

great against tankier enemies and bosses

free damage

[drifting lichen]

Yeah uh... couldn't relate 😅 I always remember to use my cast. Especially when I don't have any Boons on it.

It would be silly for me to go entire rooms without casting it once.

cough

[tight basin]

lmao yeah i always forgot about it back when i first started playing

[sullen bough]

let me be my silly self

[drifting lichen]

Although I've been getting better with it

and I never forget to use it for bosses or mini-bosses

[tight basin]

yeah those are the main places to use them

[sullen bough]

but I'll throw it out there for whatever reason like a bride with a bouquet at random

[drifting lichen]

Except for Asph... a lot of the enemies there jump around too much.

Ironic considering the boss is the opposite.

[tight basin]

yeah asphodel is annoying bc of that lmao

a lot of jumpy boys

[drifting lichen]

Very annoying for some builds

and very annoying for the bow

[tight basin]

just gotta know the attack patterns and know when they pause

[drifting lichen]

(I know the weapons have names but I don't remember them well yet)

[tight basin]

eh just calling them by bow/fists/sword/whatever is fine

faster anyways

unless you mean various aspects

[drifting lichen]

Ok now... maybe because I'm a new player

but

The gun feels a little... overtuned?

Performs a little better then... all other weapons?

[potent tree]

Wait until you encounter a certain shield

[tight basin]

yeah it's fairly straight forward to build and get results

and also yeah there's that lmao

[drifting lichen]

Elysem's boss has been kicking my ass for a hot minute... I pick up GUN... and I reach Hades first run no prob

[tight basin]

sounds about right

[drifting lichen]

Oh speaking of E's boss

how do I fight the talkative bastard

Without BOMBs

[sullen bough]

poseidon vs aphrodite

love vs uhh water

[drifting lichen]

"Rope, Bombs... you want it, it's yours my friend! As long as you have enough 🪙"

[tight basin]

oh shield?

is this like a trial or choices between 2 doors

[tight basin]

using iframes effectively and a good build

[sullen bough]

in general but

aegis

[drifting lichen]

Oh sorry mate... I cursed

[tight basin]

"in general" doesnt really work bc different weapons/aspects want different gods most of the time

for shield, you want aphrodite attack if yuo dont have that

if you already do, you can get tidal dash from poseidon if you want although it might make some stuff inconvenient
unless you have charged shot then it's pretty free

[drifting lichen]

Well for Trails, if given the option, I'd choose Poseidon 99% of the time. His trail sucks. A lot.

[potent tree]

Rule of thumb: weapons with rapid hits take flat damage boons whereas weapons with high base damage take %-based boons

[drifting lichen]

Generally speaking

who to kill first... Bull or Yap Machine

[proper furnace]

Bull

[drifting lichen]

ok good... cuz that's what I've been doing

[proper furnace]

Or you get the dps to kill them at the same time

[sullen bough]

Zag, you saucy bastard! Let's keep things chill in here, and really let loose next time we hang, yeah?

[drifting lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[sullen bough]

sorry, I put on my best Dionysius impression

[drifting lichen]

(I actually liked it)

It was charming

[proper furnace]

Wait for spear throw > Dodge/hide behind pillar > hit him while he retreats
Or
Stand next to him > wait for outline of spin attack > dash through it > hit him while he recovers

[drifting lichen]

Got it

I do love my initial reaction to the boss though...

Me, rolling up with 12 different boons, burdened by the amount of effects I have
Enemy uses one 'boon-like' effect
"That cheating jerk..."

on other topic

Stubborn Defiance is simply far superior to Death Defaince, no?

or is that the 'new player' in me speaking

[potent tree]

If you're dying constantly or doing runs with high [redacted], then Stubborn. If you're making good progress regularly, Death Defiance

[drifting lichen]

no idea what 'Redacted' is but I'll assume it's a spoiler if I don't know what it is

[proper furnace]

Final boss

[proper furnace]

The thing with stubborn is that it demands you to have better boss fights

[potent tree]

No, I meant 🔥

[proper furnace]

So as P.rat said, if you are dying a ton to normal rooms then is better

[drifting lichen]

Ah fair enough... although I find with Death, I usually crack it before I get to the boss

[proper furnace]

DDs qre just comfy

[drifting lichen]

Usually because I get a little too ballsy with either Hermes' Feather or with taking Trails constantly

[proper furnace]

If you are gonna use stubborn might as well learn now

If you use stubborn in a room, then pick up either of the athena DD boons, you'll gain a death defiance then stubborn will come back next room

[drifting lichen]

Go big or go home is how I do most runs

[proper furnace]

Effectively gaining a revive

[drifting lichen]

Hey that's pretty cool

Wait will it still go under Stubborn if I didn't proc it and still pick up a DD boon?

[proper furnace]

Nope

If you didn't use stubborn no DD

[drifting lichen]

womp womp

[proper furnace]

You'll still get the extra healing/invulnerability at least

[drifting lichen]

so either intentionally proc it before the room clear or... find some lava I guess

[potent tree]

What the...Azir properly uses a semicolon in the "About Me" of the profile instead of a disgusting comma splice

[proper furnace]

Elysium has the infinitely respawning eggs too

[potent tree]

I keep forgetting about the eggs, then I marvel at people using SD through Elysium

[proper furnace]

Just one thing
Don't forget if you already used stubborn in a room then try to proc it again

Otherwise you'll get

https://tenor.com/view/haelian-mistake-hades-egg-gif-19288124

[drifting lichen]

I write literature a lot... I try to be grammatically accurate whenever possible.

[potent tree]

I bet you don't haphazardly throw apostrophes everywhere either, you monster

[drifting lichen]

How do you just have that on standby.

[proper furnace]

Is a classic clip

Is in tenor gifs lol

[drifting lichen]

I did not know that; the more you know!

[tight basin]

it's the perfect example for what not to do with SD so gotta keep it handy

[potent tree]

SD icon so smol and innocuous

[proper furnace]

Other common example is stubborn post hydra

[tight basin]

oh yeah definitely

happened to me once

[drifting lichen]

I was at the Sytyrs... right? And there was no way to force SD, right?

However I had... the mod on the gun that lets your explosives hurt you.

So I kid you not...

[proper furnace]

Lmao that works

[tight basin]

i mean yeah lmao that works

[proper furnace]

But yeah for styx you gotta get a feel for when the room is about to end

[tight basin]

if you're familiar with when waves are about to end, you can just eat damage to proc SD

[proper furnace]

And be careful of revenge boons/traps

Cuz enemies will guaranteed run into them sooner or later

[drifting lichen]

but also... I had the Boon that lets you regen health once you pop SD (which is cracked, btw) so I just stood in a room with a single enemy for a solid minute... slowly healing health.

[tight basin]

stubborn roots moment

[drifting lichen]

But hey... went into Hades with max hp.

( died shortly after.)

[potent tree]

I like the ellipses. Very "old person texting"

[drifting lichen]

the what...?

Oh ellipses is 'multiple dots', got it.

[potent tree]

It seems that for a lot of older people, their punctuation of choice in text messages is the humble ellipsis

[drifting lichen]

YOU CALLING ME OLD?! 🔫

[potent tree]

Maybe I am! Whatcha gonna do about it? 👊

[drifting lichen]

I will! Uhm- what is something that is forbidden in Hades to do?

[potent tree]

Break out, I suppose

[drifting lichen]

I mean like in the game

what is something you should never do

[errant narwhal]

Say blood and darkness

[drifting lichen]

Ok not what I had in mind

[tight basin]

use poseidon attack probably

[proper furnace]

Dread flight is a scam

[potent tree]

Minotaur Rush bluh bluh

[drifting lichen]

I hope that you pick up a Chaos boon that hides room rewards, then step into a Trail room with only 20 hp max and 0 DD left.

[potent tree]

So many treacherous hammers!

[potent tree]

Thanks!

[drifting lichen]

"No, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game."

[proper furnace]

More specific, non zeus shield special is a scam in general lol

Dresd flight just makes it worse

[potent tree]

||Nobody tell Azir that it's a trial room, not a trail room||

[drifting lichen]

and the Trial is between Poseidon and Zeus.

and the encounter is a Witch Swarm

and you have no deflect

[potent tree]

Has anyone made a definitive list of hammers to avoid?

[proper furnace]

Mostly for sword lmfao

[potent tree]

Oh my goodness Azir is like Olympian-levels of vengeful

[proper furnace]

What biome is this defines how bad it actually is

[drifting lichen]

and you're wielding the sword

[drifting lichen]

Asp.

[proper furnace]

We vibe then

Pos trial is mostly annoying in ely cuz same color

[potent tree]

Die, colourblind Zagreuses! Die!

[drifting lichen]

Yeah but Asp. witch swarms FILL the screen with bullets.

They are merciless...

And they're armored of course.

Actually, you don't have the sword; sword's special can bullet clear... you have base shield.

Die.

[potent tree]

Ooh base shield is a good trade. Yoink!

[drifting lichen]

That thing can't bullet clear...

in my experience anyways.

[potent tree]

Bull Rush awwwww yeah

[proper furnace]

Why clear when block + invulnerable rush lol

[drifting lichen]

Wait

When you charge the Shield, you can block with it?

[potent tree]

Yes. It's really nice

[proper furnace]

Is a shield??? Why wouldn't it

[potent tree]

Isn't suddenly permeable for all its velocity

[drifting lichen]

Well nothing would clue you into that fact... nor were you ever told of that important detail.

[proper furnace]

Does the tutorial in the courtyard not mention it

[drifting lichen]

It's not like there's a 'block' button labeled; it's a shield bash. I wouldn't expect it to give you invulnerability the way you were facing.

That's awesome.

Does it block swipe attacks? (ie. Meg's whip)

[potent tree]

Your avoidance of comma splices is seriously making me so, so happy

[proper furnace]

Yeah, if you face it, consider it blocked

[potent tree]

Shields block everything other than AOEs, I believe

[drifting lichen]

Honestly, I don't take notice in it; it just comes natural to me.

[potent tree]

I hate comma splices

[drifting lichen]

Ok that sounds like I'm trying to be above everyone... I'm not.

and now I'm going to be self-conscious that I'll use a ; in the wrong area and look like a fool.

[potent tree]

Yo I'ma put you on an internet grammar pedestal

[drifting lichen]

Looking like a foolish samurai warrior weilding a magic sword.

[potent tree]

The base shield is a bit like a better base sword. Both play best with a heaping helping of dash-strikes, but the shield's dash-strikes combo nicely into the super helpful Bull Rush

[drifting lichen]

also also... I realized now that you brought attention to it, I use '...' a lot.

[potent tree]

It's because you're old. It's okay

[drifting lichen]

All your key bindings for the shield have been disabled except for the Q.

[potent tree]

||Sly wink & nod toward my trusty controller||

[proper furnace]

Off to #h2-builds-and-combat you go

[fluid knoll]

Oh sorry

Thought I was on the right one

[drifting lichen]

I hope you have a fantastic run with plenty of boons and boosts with plentiful trials... then when you reach Hades, you successfully get past his first stage with a juicy 90HP left...
Then your controller disconnects right as he does his laser move and you die.

[potent tree]

Why, I never!

[drifting lichen]

That's what you get for calling me old.

I can keep going!

[proper furnace]

Wouldn't the controller disconnecting trigger the game to oause

[drifting lichen]

idk, I don't play on Controller.

I mean I can just change it to: "I hope you drop your controller and die".

[viscid cairn]

I want a build guide,heat guide ,weapon choice for 32 heat?Any help would be appreciated.

[tight basin]

pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

has pact, mirror, and build

aspect/weapon choice doesnt really matter, just use whatever you like really

[manic rose]

what aspects work well even on low weapon upgrade levels?

for example would the rail of hestia work well immediately after you unlock it or would it need to be upgraded first like chiron to work well?

[lucid oar]

Hestia needs to be lvl 4/5 to be good

Hera is very good at level 1 though

[plain river]

Nem, Beowulf, guan-yu, Hera, Lucifer, rama

They all really have functionality at level 1 where levels just boost it further

[sour junco]

The aspect of hera for the bow, even at level 1 is very, very good if you get the right boons

Cast damage, more bloodstones, and then maybe attack damage is what you want.

I was doing 2k damage in one hit (6 bloodstones), with the right boons

Of course it works best when you upgrade the mirror and start a run with 3 bloodstones

[manic rose]

unlocked hera, what would be the ideal boons for this? thinking of which gods keepsake to start with

[proper furnace]

Start aphro cast

Get as many poms as you can, chaos for usual cast dmg/+1, snow burdt from dem helps killing small pests without using cast

For low lvl hera you want quick reload from hermes for bosses

(or learn wall bug but that's for later)

[sour junco]

Poseidon cast was good for me cause of the AOE and knockback, but I'd defer to the other person more knowledgeable than me lol

[knotty sigil]

ah shoot how do i build zag shield?

[vital night]

Charged shot and Aphrodite on attack

[proper furnace]

Pulv blow also works but less effective

[manic rose]

which hammer is better for the hera bow twin shot or perfect shot?

[proper furnace]

What's the third option

[manic rose]

piercing volley

[proper furnace]

I'd take twin but been a while since I've got it with hera

[vital night]

Twin is the best out of those yeah

More attack damage while casts are dropping

[knotty sigil]

but what would i put on special?

[vital night]

Doesn’t matter on Hera

Don’t dilute your pom pool since most/all Poms should be going into cast

Oh also doesn’t matter on zag shield

[knotty sigil]

oh ok

[vital night]

Shield spec useless unless you’re playing zeus

[real ledge]

Does the God mode actually make you stronger after each death or it's just bait?

[vital night]

It increased damage reduction by 2% every time you die

Up to 80%

[real ledge]

so it actually help you and not bait

[vital night]

Wdym the game doesn’t lie to you lol

It’s just damage reduction

[real ledge]

yeah after playing many games with something sound good but not useful in long run, I have some trust issue

[vital night]

I think it starts at 20, increases by 2 every death, and stops at 80. You can turn it off and back on again which I think retains your damage reduction

[real ledge]

especially when it's named "God Mode". sound like it's harder

[vital night]

The harder version is hell mode

[real ledge]

I played God of War so that's what it sound like to me

[turbid needle]

come to think of it
Is hell mode fresh file its own separate challenge from normal fresh file?

I never see people specify hell mode or not when doing fresh file

[vital night]

Yeah

[vital night]

Default is normal but hell mode is an extra challenge

[knotty sigil]

not feeling the shield

at least aspect of zag

is zeus better?

[potent tree]

Zeus is an autonomous, hyper mobile circular saw

It's pretty involved to play, but boy does it go zzzzrrrrrrrr through enemies

[vital night]

Zeus is really fun

[knotty sigil]

surely it's better than this trash version of a nemesis blade

[vital night]

Lmao

Zagshield has beat 62 heat

[knotty sigil]

i still hate it

at least the sword is straightforward

idk even know what i'm doing with this thing

[vital night]

Zeus shield might not be better then

[potent tree]

It's pretty involved to play

[knotty sigil]

i mean the building of it is straightforward

[vital night]

The mechanics aren’t exactly intuitive

[potent tree]

Gotta extend and retract the Special while zooming around doing dash-strikes+Bull Rush

[knotty sigil]

this just feels like i'm dash attacking like i do with the blade but with less damage

[vital night]

It really works best with charged shot

[potent tree]

Charged Shot is an absolute paragon of hammers

[knotty sigil]

what is charged shot even doing for me?

[potent tree]

Giving you a base 80 Bull Rush no matter how little you charge up the Rush

[plain river]

It makes your bull rush this quick, large base damage projectile

and the base damage doesn’t care about how charged up it is as Packrat said

you also don’t get moved along with the bull rush, which has it’s pros and cons

[knotty sigil]

hm

[potent tree]

Bull Rush basically becomes a bow shot

[plain river]

but because you don’t need to worry about how charged up it is it’s not exactly the same

[knotty sigil]

how does that make it capable of heat 67?

[plain river]

64*

[vital night]

62

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtDp6fCcyS8&pp=ygUWWmFncmV1cyBzaGllbGQgNjIgaGVhdA%3D%3D

[plain river]

the shield part makes it super safe, and with zeus the autonomous special does

wonders

Oh it’s zag shield nvrmind

[vital night]

Zeus shield likes explosive return just for dps

[plain river]

At that high heat zeus also likes keeping the bull rush for movement iirc

Since you’re missing an extra dash

[vital night]

Yeah I actively avoid second hammer because of the chance of cshot

Unless it’s a fountain

Probably over avoiding a second dash

Cshot hard bricks the run lmao

[vital night]

Tart rooms absolutely suck without ER

[knotty sigil]

please don't tell me hestia rail is the best aspect

[proper furnace]

Eris is also great

[vital night]

unmodded hestia is faster

hestia fun

[knotty sigil]

unmodded?

[jolly chasm]

There are two major types of IGT speedrunning unmodded and modded. Modded is done using a speedrun mod pack that eliminates some types of uncontrollable RNG, while unmodded is just the base game

Hestia is faster in unmodded because it is less needy than Eris is, but in modded Eris is faster because it really benefits from the changes made by the mod pack

[knotty sigil]

how much more difficult do the dynamic duo become after extreme measures?

[potent tree]

Asterius goes ham and gains AOEs plus superspin, but Theseus arguably becomes easier as he tends to stay out of the way more

[turbid needle]

Wait, can you find out if it a fountain or not before entering a chamber?

[tight basin]

with the speedrunning modpack yes

[manic rose]

how good is flurry shot for hera bow?

[proper furnace]

Best hammer

[potent tree]

The good players say to take it take it take it

[knotty sigil]

what does hera bow do? why is flurry good for it?

[proper furnace]

Press cast to load them, they are shot along with your attack

You pretty much just want min charge shots for it so the flurry speed up is a god send

[manic rose]

so you only want to use 1 charge at a time instead of all of them at once?

[proper furnace]

Depends

You get the feeling of "how many casts X enemy needs"

Some require just 1, others may need all of them or some combination of snow burst them cast

[knotty sigil]

which fist aspect is best?

[proper furnace]

Demeter

[knotty sigil]

great

that's good

it's really cool

i imagine a demeter boon would be nice on it?

[proper furnace]

Not really

Or like, is decent ig

[potent tree]

Not particularly. Demeter's Special boons have a decent +%, but Aphrodite and Artemis are generally better

[proper furnace]

^

[knotty sigil]

oh

[proper furnace]

And the other best build just runs athena special for the duo with ares

[knotty sigil]

so does it matter which slot aphro and arti are on?

[proper furnace]

Just slap either of them on the special

[knotty sigil]

ok

[proper furnace]

You wanna start zeus attack anyways

And use the burst occasionally

[proper furnace]

And both aphro and arty have good duos with him

[manic rose]

between a heroic slicing shot and an epic flood shot what is preferable?

[proper furnace]

Is this hera

[manic rose]

yes

[proper furnace]

What biome are you in and do you have artemis

[manic rose]

no artemis and the magma one

[proper furnace]

Prob not then

[manic rose]

not sure I understand, my current one is flood and got the option for slicing so I should keep flood?

[proper furnace]

Yesh just keep it

[knotty sigil]

what duo boon would i be looking for with arti and zeus?

[proper furnace]

Lightning rod

Then just add any other zeus boon thst you can find

Double strike/static discharge mainly

[covert snow]

whats a good build for aspect of hades?

[vital night]

Exploding launcher. Tag enemies with the spin and then use aphro on exploding launder

[manic rose]

does world splitter affect dash attacks?

[vital night]

No

But if you’re spamming attack you’ll probably end up with a world splitter attack after 2 dash strikes

So best not to take world splitter unless you want to use it

[thorn ice]

can someone answer my question in #h1-for-new-players pls

[proper furnace]

Beating the game unlocks the pact of punishment, difficulty modifiers basically
Add enough of them and bosses will drop their unique drop again

[thorn ice]

oh ok ty

[proper furnace]

So after the first win you can just add an ez modifier and get 6 more blood from Meg

[thorn ice]

bet ty

[proper furnace]

Also do you have ambrosia left?

[thorn ice]

yeah 1

[proper furnace]

Can trade some for blood

Oh just 1

[thorn ice]

i was told to keep mine tho

i only got 2 so far

i used 1 tho

actually

[proper furnace]

I think is fine to use some early game, just don't go crazy on the trade

[thorn ice]

i started this save a long time ago stopped playing then just got into again

i wanna make a new save i think

ill keep the current 1 tho

[thorn ice]

ty

[potent tree]

HADES 2 SPOILERS I'M GOING TO STEAL YOUR POTATO CHIPS

[rapid chasm]

wrong channel mbmb

[potent tree]

No problem

[stiff marsh]

what are considered the best boons/builds in this game?

[proper furnace]

Beowulf mirage shot/merciful end in general ig

Smoldering air fits basically any build

[jolly chasm]

I feel like RD should be mentioned

[proper furnace]

oh yeah that slipped my mind

+dashes too ofc

[stiff marsh]

rd?

[proper furnace]

rush delivery from hermes

movement speed is converted into dmg

pair with hyper sprint (+100% speed after dashing) and you can get 50% to 100% global dmg based on RD rarity

and then you can buy ichors from charon wells to stack more speed (mvnt speed is multiplicative)

[mystic pagoda]

How do I run the maximum revenge meme build

[tight basin]

haelian did it

dont remember if he used arthur for more hp or zag fists for dodge

but you aim to get vengeful mood from zeus and ares

and then get every revenge boon obv

greater evasion from hermes

as much hp as you can

#h2-discussion

delete the spoiler pls

[flat lily]

oops wrong channel

ty

[lucid oar]

do i gotta mute the server

[crude patio]

what is a fun but op chiron build

[vagrant crane]

there are no op chiron builds

the best you can get is vaguely close to passable

but that takes insane amounts of rng

[potent tree]

Said build is probably Concentrated Volley + Relentless Volley with Aphrodite or Artemis on Special. Doesn't do much until Elysium or so

[manic rose]

can lightning strike with storm lightning bounce from an enemy back to itself?

[lucid oar]

No

[lucid oar]

#h2-builds-and-combat

Pls

[torn eagle]

killing myself rn

[torn breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1239585245855223818/image.png?ex=66437538&is=664223b8&hm=c107dea3c9a6f3e7845b7b29dfc72620c353edfeb6c9f750d2f7a29ddb6ba0e1&

Which one should I choose?

I'm playing 32 heat chiron bow aspect

...I should probably translate

[lucid oar]

You cant really go wrong with either

Special damage is good but 47% isnt an insane amount

And HP is good

[vagrant crane]

ur good

[torn breach]

Ok

So... hp?

[vagrant crane]

id take hp

[torn breach]

Ok thanks

[vagrant crane]

enshrouded sucks

[torn breach]

Yeah...

Ok thanks

[sour junco]

If you aren't building around your special, health is a good choice if you can handle the curse

[vagrant crane]

its free curse

excruciating

[shadow garnet]

Hello, which build do you recommend for heat 32?

[vagrant crane]

you can use a lot of stuff

check this https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit#

i think hestia is an incredibly easy option

[shadow garnet]

Thanks

[turbid needle]

potentially stupid question, for getting all the Chaos boons, does that involve just repeatedly going to Chaos or are there prereqs to getting them?

[proper furnace]

Assault requires you to use fiery presence in the mirror

And the backstab one requires shadow

[turbid needle]

:O

okok noted

[proper furnace]

Their legendary is a pain in the ass cuz rarity bonuses don't work on it

Just gotta keep taking chaos gates

[turbid needle]

got it, im missing the last 4 in the list so ig i'll just fix my mirror talents and then do some runs with the egg

[proper furnace]

Don't bother with egg, you can pay the cost of the gate easily with the +3 per room

Do any strong build so you can zoom through chambers

[turbid needle]

[manic rose]

how is aegis aspect of zag shield supposed to be played mainly? Do I just spam bull rush and upgrade my attack boon since I have the sudden rush hammer?

[proper furnace]

Find charged shot hopefully

Or pulv blow as a lesser alternative

[manic rose]

from what I understand hestia rail is bad at low upgrade levels. but does it need to be max level to preform well or is a lvl 3 (100 base damage for reload attack) enough to work well?

[vagrant crane]

lvl3 is pretty good

[manic rose]

are there any hammers/boons i should look for to make it work?

[vagrant crane]

i mean u might want to focus less on ur atk than normal

but the standard build path already does that

tidal dash start

u want clockets

[potent tree]

Off to #h2-builds-and-combat with ye! Could you take down your comment here too, please?

[inner raven]

crap, my bad

[distant orchid]

I GOT MERCIFUL END EARLY BABY

Merciful End Hestia run hours!

[proper furnace]

Why hestia

[distant orchid]

I dunno

I never used that aspect before with Exagryph

Felt like giving it a try

[rigid nacelle]

chaos' halting strike (extra attack damage) affects lightning strike (zeus attack boon) right

[lucid oar]

It does not

[mystic pagoda]

What is the super soaker build? all i know is that it's lucifer and it involves using poseidon's boons to smash stuff into walls

[proper furnace]

Pos attack + zeus whatever to unlock sea storm (ideally one of the lightning bolt cores)

[deft trellis]

I havent played hades in a while is there any fun builds I should try to get back into playing this game

[fresh dragon]

Chiron Bow is always fun, hard to mess up a build for that. I like running it w/ this setup:

Aphrodite Attack
Artemis or Dio Special
Heart Rend or Low Tolerance
Ares Dash
Ares Aid

Important duos will be things like Low Tolerance / Curse of Nausea for a Dio Special, and Heart Rend for a Art Special. Essentially you’re picking DOT or Crit / Damage for these options but either are good

[proper furnace]

Neither of those ares boons unlock nausea tho

Or just because why not

[fresh dragon]

You’d need Curse of Vengeance, yes

That would be your priority over dash / aid if you’re going with Dio special

[deft trellis]

Ok maybe I’ll try that

I think I’ve played some Chiron but not much so it would be fun

[fresh dragon]

My most played weapons are Zeus Aegis and Chiron Bow

Nemesis Sword is on the rise to, can’t get into Achilles Spear unfortunately

[austere silo]

I need help. I am replaying the game for the 2nd time, alrdy escaped 4 times and idk how to use the spear xd.
Can you guys recommend some builds?

[tight basin]

there's a build guide pinned here

but a popular one is hunting blades or lightning phalanx on achilles

[austere silo]

Ty

[tight basin]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[analog wolf]

oops

wrong one lmao thanks

[tight basin]

delete spoiler pls

[toxic nacelle]

does the blood frenzy boon (after using death defiance, do more damage that encounter) stack? if i use death defiance 3 times in one encounter would it go to 66% damage boost?

[covert snow]

Is Charged Flight compatible Aspect of Beowulf?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Beo doesn't ban any hammers

[covert snow]

nice

whats the best build for beowulf?

[proper furnace]

Pos cast > arty atk > mirage shot

[covert snow]

i usually do mirage shot

yeah

[jolly chasm]

Don’t forget about charged shot

[covert snow]

what do you recommend for dash?

[proper furnace]

Doesn't matter

[vagrant crane]

no dash

[proper furnace]

Athena's fill your core w/o opening duos ig

But yeah better to keep pom pool clean

[vagrant crane]

almost every single dash you take would be detrimental

cause of opening duos

[lucid oar]

It doesnt stack

[manic rose]

what are the best hammers for hestia rail?

[proper furnace]

Cluster + rockets

[potent tree]

Either the classic Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb combo or, failing that, Ricochet Shot or Piercing Shot

[proper furnace]

But you can use hazard bomb or the atk hammers yeah

[winged charm]

Highest Druken Strike stack you’ve used or seen?

I just want to see it action lmao

[vagrant crane]

you can only go up to 8

or 5 without low tol

[vital night]

Ricochet is my personal favorite but any of rocket, cluster, piercing, hazard also work

[winged charm]

It doesn’t upgrade anymore after that?

Aw man

[vagrant crane]

?

no you can pom it to whatever

but you said stack

[winged charm]

Oh I meant not stack like Pom

Sorry

[blissful kite]

@hot socket would say Nectar, vintage, to upgrade boons faster. Chtonic key is also a good choice. Depends on what you want, really. Admin privilege gives you the possibility to see back your runs, if you're interested in that, and also furthers the story-side of the game.

[knotty sigil]

how would i build a hestia rail?

[vital night]

Start tidal dash and look for a big % on attack(ideally >85% at level 1) and special. If you get a nice attack, Pom it a few levels and then just vibe, take Athena into aspho, acorn/hourglass/dad call into ely and Styx. If you don’t, take shackle into aspho and beyond until you get the stuff.

Safer way to do it is start aphro attack and take Athena. Less crown control but guaranteed attack. (I would only do this on AP1/2)

Hammers:
Clockets is good as always
Ricochet is good for room clear, up to 2x dps
Hazard bomb is good
Piercing is good

As for accessories, Artemis is good for PP+HM+spec, Zeus is nice for smair on his call+jolted.

Honestly though, I’ve done well with just an attack so the mechanics are way more important. Zyruvias has a great guide on the aspect

[knotty sigil]

Wow this crystal beam run Sucks!

i have no clue what AP1/2 means

[tight basin]

approval process

[vital night]

Crystal beam sucks in general

[knotty sigil]

i spent too much on it and i just discovered guan yu

i want to know if there is a good cast though

i want a good cast build

i guess i could also play hades 2 tho

[knotty sigil]

how do i build the zeus aspect shield?

[proper furnace]

zeus special, find static discharge (poms) and find explosive return

aphro atk + zeus call is fun
same for arty + zeus duo, your choice

[jolly chasm]

ME is also quite strong on Zeus shield

[knotty sigil]

no idea what me is

[distant orchid]

Merciful End

[manic rose]

does beowulf work well even at lvl 1 like hera or do i need to upgrade it?

[tight basin]

it works well at lvl 1

leveling it up only boosts the atk and its width

which is stilllike helpful but the vast majority of your damage is coming from the cast

[manic rose]

with poseidon cast, arty attack

[tight basin]

yeah that's good

[fresh dragon]

I enjoy using it with Aphro Attack / Dio Special, you'll want Low Tolerance ofc

Ares Attack is also alright since you're mostly going to be bull rushing between specials

[plain river]

Notes for recommending these kind of builds is to mention pouring poms into dio special (although I would recommend zeus on zeus first and then get into other builds like hangover etc)

Since hangover boons benefit from linear scaling you can just beef them up and have super high ticks

[dense basin]

what's a good build to get through the game if you haven't beaten it once yet?

i spent my infernal blood on Zeus Aegis and kind of regret it

[potent tree]

Zeus's Aegis is good and very safe

[dense basin]

what boons should I go for?

[potent tree]

Zeus and more Zeus for Special. Aphrodite on Attack