but his makes you take +100% damage instead of yours capping out at +50%
#h1-builds-and-combat
plain river
wheat needle
ohhh
wheat needle
but his makes you take +100% damage instead of yours capping out at +50%
Does it stack per bloodstone?
plain river
nope
plain river
lightning phalanx
only issue is chasing down your casts
and it won't do single target damage as good as hb
hushed saffron
"Aspect of Nemesis Blade
Winning combo
Lodge a bloodstone, then Special → Dash-strike(s) → Repeat. This can be tricky to aim, so practice on Skelly."
Why "lodge a bloodstone"? Just to get more damage with one cast right? Nothing else specifically?
And I found out my dash strike with sword barely every hit 😂 Am I that bad?
eager flint
did you use arthur ? Its dash strike hitbox is weird
also the bloodstone is because of the mirror of night
with boiling blood
vagrant crane
Is there any other cast except hunting blade for Achilles that is decent?
the entire existence of beowulf
tight basin
it's a "meme" because you need a lot of rng for it to be strong, and even then it'd still underperform other cast builds lol
esp for achilles, where hunting blades and lightning phalanx do a much better job than it and needs less resources
hushed saffron
did you use arthur ? Its dash strike hitbox is weird
No with Nemesis
In my mind it would automatically target the mob but actually need to get the right direction and the hitbox doesnt seem very large hh
tight basin
are you on kbm or controller?
hushed saffron
are you on kbm or controller?
What is kbm? I play on Switch, I like to play in my bed haha
potent tree
Keyboard and 🫎
tight basin
yeah there's not much leniency you kinda have to aim right at them lmao
plain river
"Aspect of Nemesis Blade
Winning combo
Lodge a bloodstone, then Special → Dash-...
it sounds like you just misunderstand how boiling blood works
plain river
And I found out my dash strike with sword barely every hit 😂 Am I that bad?
...yeah
hushed saffron
it sounds like you just misunderstand how boiling blood works
Well I never cast :/ I will check out later, I should start casting I guess haha
plain river
Well I never cast :/ I will check out later, I should start casting I guess haha
it's a mirror upgrade that gives you bonus attack/special damage against anyone with your cast in them
hence why you lodge your bloodstone
hushed saffron
Aaaah got it
wheat needle
it's a "meme" because you need a lot of rng for it to be strong, and even then i...
alirght thanks
hushed saffron
Hi guys, I’m watching the Demeter fists guide of HeckMayster on YouTube. Quick question: once the doom proc’ed, next attack will apply doom again? So with merciful end, every single Athena dash and/or technique + ares attack will proc doom?
zenith fractal
yes, with 
the doom effect on the enemy will trigger and disappear each time an enemy is hit with an attack that can deflect, allowing you to re-apply the doom effect and repeat the cycle
hushed saffron
Ok got it thanks
rocky vortex
so, i'm mostly running hades spear atm, and my go-to for that is either artemis or aphrodite on attack, and aphro on special if not attack. either way, i pray for zeus (or force him in asphodel) on my cast/call so i can get smoldering air. is it worth changing my mirror to god's legacy, or is having epic on my core more important? (or is this strat just bad in general and i should rethink it)
proper furnace
If you don't get good hammers, going for rod or smair (or both) is not bad
i like better hermes/chaos odds overall more so I'd keep pride
One or two duos is not that bad with yarn/nectar/rerolls
rocky vortex
rod?
proper furnace
Lightning rod
rocky vortex
If you don't get good hammers, going for rod or smair (or both) is not bad
true... i end up super hammer reliant which is sad
proper furnace
Zeus-aryemis
rocky vortex
oh, is lightning rod good? i've not tried it yet
proper furnace
true... i end up super hammer reliant which is sad
That's a spear thing
Rod is goated
rocky vortex
dope, i'll give it a shot later
that needs the.... red mirror for the cast, right?
i forget the names
proper furnace
Even if you want 1 for boiling blood that still 2 casts for passive dmg
Yeah need infernal
rocky vortex
good to know
proper furnace
And if you are building for smair you are getting static discharge/double strike most probably
When in doubt double down on zeus 
rocky vortex
when i get the luck, yeah
somehow my runs with zeus get like... one or two zeus boons
every time
aphrodite loves me though so i get the duo chances
proper furnace
Are you using dark foresight on the mirror/know about god pool
rocky vortex
don't remember which mirror is which, let me check. i think i know about how the god pool works? up to four naturally, you can force a fifth but generally shouldn't?
proper furnace
Aight yeah you know about it
rocky vortex
yeah, i'm using dark foresight too, just checked
proper furnace
Zeus just hates you then
rocky vortex
REAL
well, i'll keep going with that strat, thank you for the tips! i'll try out rod later too
proper furnace
You can also do merciful end lmao
rocky vortex
merciful end is pretty neat, but i feel like i Always build into it for fists, so i avoid it on my other weapons
rocky vortex
so real
i'd love to try fresh file speedruns someday, though
and i know that's the strat
so i'm thankful
proper furnace
#h1-victory-boasting message regarding the "missed time by miliseconds" 
Wait
Bp1??
Why did I do that
tight basin
bp propoganda for speed
proper furnace
Bp makes it so armored enemies show up earlier
I don't remember what started it tho
Someone getting sub 1 ely I think? Or aspho
vagrant crane
magnil sub1 ely 32 heat unmodded
analog mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/888624027155984384/2...
lmao mine was for near sub8 as well
once i beat my pb by 00.00.03 😌
limber fjord
once i beat my pb by 00.00.03 😌
improvement 
proper furnace
How many near sub 8s we have lmfao
analog mauve
8 min rly trolling
vagrant crane
yes
sacred pulsar
im guessing eris isnt that good when its low level right ? 15% doesnt seem much
analog mauve
hestia is worse at low level
sacred pulsar
damn, thats the one i unlocked first without upgrading it
i guess i could upgrade it once, wont hurt
or unlock eris
what would be the best choice ?
proper furnace
I'd only use hestia if at minimum lvl 4
if you only have the blood to unlock/lvl up once go for eris
sacred pulsar
alright thanks
and on god pool what should I aim for ?
ares / zeus / dio ?
on attack ?
proper furnace
start zeus yeah
look for static discharge
grab tidal dash in aspho if he didn't show up in tart
usually aphro or arte special
best hammers are rocket and cluster (and delta chamber defense wise)
pom discharge and dash
limber fjord
i personally am not a huge fan of splash dash eris though it could just be skill problem
i find myself knocking enemies out of my special
sacred pulsar
i just got my first no hit lernie
thought i was about to give him my tax since i was 6hp
guess not
plain river
How does MM change Basket Ball? Teleporting?
vagrant crane
How does MM change Basket Ball? Teleporting?
what is that one
proper furnace
middle management
vagrant crane
no what is basket bal
proper furnace
B.ball I assume
vagrant crane
oh
limber fjord
butterball???
vagrant crane
yeah teleporting
it’s still free as ely midboss
it doesn’t teleport instantly or anything
so u can just wipe it
plain river
it’s still free as ely midboss
I couldn’t remember how mm changed it since I’ve had mm on forever
tight basin
do you have flat damage on the attack
namely either ares or zeus
dio would still feel underwhelming but it is better than other choices lmao
vital night
alright the fists is the weapon i dislike the most
try merciful end
sacred pulsar
try merciful end
i had it although my deflect was on the attack, not the dash
ill give it another shot another time, i dont wanna run it today anymore
hushed saffron
Hi guys, so I start to understand a bit more how to speedrun Demeter fist. Basically Ares + Athena + ME.
I was wondering if I would go for the same build for a non speedrun? Cause Im still beginner. I see some people starting with Zeus for instance
vagrant crane
Hi guys, so I start to understand a bit more how to speedrun Demeter fist. Basic...
yes
hushed saffron
yes
Alright, always non changing build strategy right
Ares attack, Athena special and dash, ME. And that's it (I didnt get a close look at the call and cast yet)
Then poms, Hermes
hushed saffron
call is zeus or dad or nothing
Oh exactly, now I remember (I watched a 1h40 video on this yesterday haha)
hushed saffron
u need impending from ares
Bonus but not mandatory on a normal run if it doesnt drop I guess?
vagrant crane
yea
tight basin
it's not mandatory for the build to function but that's where your damage scaling is
would be ideal but if it doesn't oh well
also btw just because a build is used for a speedrun doesn't mean it's specific for speedruns
you can still use those builds for casual clearing
zap fists work fine, less rng dependent and less damage than ME
hushed saffron
also btw just because a build is used for a speedrun doesn't mean it's specific ...
Ye that's why I was asking in the first place, I didnt know about this :p
Then one thing I didnt think about, what would you prioritize with poms if you get your full build? Impending then Ares attack?
tight basin
considering you'd generally get impending doom later, that'd be the case
hushed saffron
Athena boons dont need upgrades, right?
tight basin
i'm pretty sure you'd want the attack to be like about level 4 or something before you start pomming impending doom
since you need a good base for the % of impending to be useful
hushed saffron
i'm pretty sure you'd want the attack to be like about level 4 or something befo...
Aaaah ok so attack first. Not impending
Right
tight basin
Athena boons dont need upgrades, right?
yeah not needed
hushed saffron
Well I guess I can do maths to compare % and flat :p
tight basin
if you want you can upgrade the special if you're on dem fists since the charged upper is kinda chunky
but youd still prioritize doom and impending
hushed saffron
if you want you can upgrade the special if you're on dem fists since the charged...
Good point thanks
Now I need to think about cast and tomorrow I can finally play, I will try all of that
Do you get the three cast charges or the one cast charge that comes back directly to you at the mirror? (I dont know the names sorry, my game is not in english)
tight basin
cast isn't important for ME builds
hushed saffron
cast isn't important for ME builds
I guess it's a good bonus
tight basin
speedrunners use infernal (3 casts) since it lets them snipe more enemies at various ranges
hushed saffron
Even if not important I mean
tight basin
infernal also lets you pick up lightning rod if you happen to get that somehow
stygian (regen cast) gives you better hermes odds so you can get +dashes or rush delivery more likely
with your cast, you dont want to open up extra duos since your priority is ME
hushed saffron
stygian (regen cast) gives you better hermes odds so you can get +dashes or rush...
How do you know that? Is it written somewhere?
tight basin
infernal soul has flurry cast and quick reload
stygian has auto reload
or whatever the faster regen time is
hushed saffron
I mean how do you know it gives you better Hermes odds
tight basin
infernal adds 2 boons, stygian adds 1 boon
by taking stygian there's 1 less hermes boon that can be offered
it's like a marginal difference
hushed saffron
Ok got it
tight basin
before you get ME, you can take zeus or athena cast since those deal good damage and dont open up duos
hushed saffron
with your cast, you dont want to open up extra duos since your priority is ME
Talking about this, it is strictly forbidden to take anything else than Ares attack and Athena special, right?
Also, the guy I was watching said Ares is more likely to give ME than Athena. Is there any evidence of this?
vagrant crane
Also, the guy I was watching said Ares is more likely to give ME than Athena. Is...
no
who are you watching
if you have ares keepsake then yes
hushed saffron
who are you watching
HeckMayster I think he's called
vagrant crane
keepsakes give +10% duo/lego chance on that god
tight basin
after you get ME, you can take artemis for deadly reversal, which will let you crit on doom
you can also take poseidon for curse of drowning, but you'd have to take infernal soul for it to deal meaningful damage. you'd also need to put in some poms for it to deal damage, which might be difficult to do late in the game
regarding casts^
hushed saffron
keepsakes give +10% duo/lego chance on that god
Hmm maybe that's what he meant without explaining then. But I think he already changed for Athena's keepsake or Hades call at that time of the run
vagrant crane
just use this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit#heading=h.xevsj9s4pz8n
hushed saffron
just use this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8t...
I found the video in this particular guide actually, and the guy also helped writing or proofreading the guide :p
I watched the whole 1h40 video yesterday and read a bit of this, I need to read again
vagrant crane
there’s only so much u can get from reading and watching
the best way to learn is to talk and ask questions in speedocrd and just play the game
like here there are maybe 3 people who are active and can help you
hushed saffron
the best way to learn is to talk and ask questions in speedocrd and just play th...
My girlfriend punished me for playing too much last week hahahaha, couldnt play yesterday and cant play today. So I'm reading and watching stuff until I can play again tomorrow hahaha
vagrant crane
check pinned in #self-promotion
hushed saffron
the best way to learn is to talk and ask questions in speedocrd and just play th...
This is the speedrun discord server pinned?
vagrant crane
yes
hushed saffron
Cool thanks
plain river
Also, the guy I was watching said Ares is more likely to give ME than Athena. Is...
The only cases where this are true are when you have ares keepsake or if you have another duo/legendary open for one of your gods
If you have divine protection and deadly reversal open, you’re now 1/3 as likely to get Merciful End from athena boons
but otherwise, under normal circumstances, either god will have equal chances
hushed saffron
I've finally tried the Demeter fists Ares/Athena thing
I got my full build before the Elyseum boss
Lost at the Elyseum boss, wtf Im so bad
When I watch speedrunners they destroy Thesee in 10s, and he beat me xd
sacred prawn
How do I unlock the 4th aspect of every weapon other than the Varatha?
proper furnace
When I watch speedrunners they destroy Thesee in 10s, and he beat me xd
Could be experience/better build
proper furnace
How do I unlock the 4th aspect of every weapon other than the Varatha?
#h1-story-discussion pins
hushed saffron
Could be experience/better build
Build is done: Ares attack, Athena dash/special, then Merciful End, Zeus call
proper furnace
How many poms on attack?
hushed saffron
How many poms on attack?
5
proper furnace
Did you get impending doom and pom it, did you get good hermes
hushed saffron
Didnt drop impending
Hermes I got the 20% speed and the rush thing
(Sorry Im bad with the english names lol)
proper furnace
Nah is fine I get them
Rush delivery is great, but ideally not with just +20% speed
hushed saffron
Ye. I think I just suck at the game haha. Need to improve
proper furnace
How did you approach the fight?
Did you try to fight them at the same time/or something else
hushed saffron
I tried to get Thesee and the bull together dash attack dash attack all the time, call whenever available and special sometimes
proper furnace
Also how is your mirror looking (just for this I mean mainly death defiance and +hp)
hushed saffron
Both max
proper furnace
I tried to get Thesee and the bull together dash attack dash attack all the time...
Yeah this was gonna hurt
hushed saffron
The only thing I need to upgrade at the moment is the reroll dice
hushed saffron
I just unlocked the second reroll after this run
Road to 3rd one now...
I got Athena dash pretty late in the run but I got ME quite fast so I guess that's not too bad
proper furnace
For easier heroes fight go for the minotaur first and put yourself between a pillar to avoid Theseus' spear throw
Once asterius is dead go for Theseus
That way the bull isn't annoying you at theseus phase change/dealing with the shield
hushed saffron
Ok so basically what I was doing before. I just thought I had an overpowered build after watching youtube hahaha
And I already lost 2 death defiances before I got to Theseus
proper furnace
Tbf you probably could do it, but lack of experience will hurt
Also that
What keepsake were you using?
hushed saffron
Tbf you probably could do it, but lack of experience will hurt
Ye I think...
hushed saffron
What keepsake were you using?
Ares then Athena and then I forgot to change so I still had Athena
What would you recommend for 3rd zone?
proper furnace
Ah, that also hurts
Go for the acorn keepsake if you have it (from asphodel ! Room)
Otherwise default to lucky tooth (revive) or collar (+50hp, usually if you have more than 1 revive left only)
hushed saffron
Oh right the acorn one... Let me check if I have it lol
Oh ye I have, just didnt upgrade it but 3 hits is already not bad I guess
I will try that
proper furnace
Yeah might as well level it up now
hushed saffron
Yeah might as well level it up now
Ok I got a perfect run where I got my full build before first boss… well, all except ME. And I got legit like 8 chances to drop it during the whole run and it never came 😭
proper furnace
ME moment
hushed saffron
I might sound stupid but I was using dash and then quickly after the attack. Actually pressing both buttons at the same time is SO much easier and efficient
So I beat hades with only 1 death defiance lost
Feel like this stupid thing I just understood took me to another level lol
proper furnace
With fists you can just hold down the attack
hushed saffron
I spam dash attach (same time)
proper furnace
Yesh if you hold the attack and dash you'll get a dash strike
hushed saffron
Now I need to practice dash+ attack and dash alone cause always dash attack makes me vulnerable sometimes I don’t have the right timing after two dashes
proper furnace
Bur fwiw, dash the attack still has some value for defense
hushed saffron
But I’m so happy with my run
proper furnace
So I beat hades with only 1 death defiance lost
Also gg
hushed saffron
Will go to 4 heat next, I go 1 by 1 to farm titan blood
Do you know or do you have a guide on what heat I should go for at low level?
proper furnace
Check #h1-high-heat-strategies pinned messages
hushed saffron
Also I changed this compared to my last run. Last run I was using the 2 heat where enemies are not hit once so I was thinking “well it’s only two strikes more I have to make” and for this run I disabled this one I feel like it was a good choice to disable it lol
ah ok thanks
proper furnace
Oh yeah damage control is deceptively awful
sacred pulsar
the timer is by far the easiest one to use
5 mins can get tight but 7 / 9 minutes you have a lot of time
hushed saffron
I finished my run in 25mn. Is it enough? Didn’t see if I cleared each zone in time
sacred pulsar
you have 9 mins per biome
hushed saffron
25mn and I didn’t try to go fast
sacred pulsar
36min total / 28 / 20 mins respectively unless my brain is braining
hushed saffron
(Well my fights couldn’t go faster though lol)
proper furnace
Pretty good for no ME yeah
sacred pulsar
i often feel like im going slower than ive ever went yet finish with 18min
hushed saffron
No me in like 8 rolls wtf
sacred pulsar
im just farming titan blood rn
proper furnace
For better chances at ME taking a cast (that doesn't open duos) helps
Yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar/chaos' favor are all a +10% for duos/legendaries too
And well, it'll also get easier once you have persuasion maxed
analog mauve
Is chaos favor only 10%?
proper furnace
Yeah
analog mauve
Ohh I've been scammed
proper furnace
Doesn't matter the bonus to rare
hushed saffron
For better chances at ME taking a cast (that doesn't open duos) helps
I think I had the area cast lol (didn’t use it btw, another room for improvement)
And dyonisos call
proper furnace
Not using the cast is fine
Taking dio's call was bad
Opens duos with both ares and athena
hushed saffron
I got the dionysos/athena duo boon in the Styx 😭
eager flint
supersoaker ?
sacred pulsar
both are some of my worst weapons
hushed saffron
Opens duos with both ares and athena
I thought only attack and special count for special
eager flint
I thought only attack and special count for special
depends on the duo
proper furnace
ME is one of the special cases
It has pretty nerfed requirements
You could use the dash to open it before
hushed saffron
Oh ok
hushed saffron
You could use the dash to open it before <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
That would be so much easier lol
proper furnace
Do you have the codex upgrade?
hushed saffron
Cause Athena dash is broken
proper furnace
It has a list of boons and its requirements for each
hushed saffron
I don’t think so
proper furnace
Check the work orders/or the codex directly
hushed saffron
Let me check
proper furnace
Go to a page of an olympian/chaos and see if there's text that says "press button to open boon list"
hushed saffron
My last page is locked I guess it’s this one?
hushed saffron
Cool thanks
Also someone said the hammer upgrade giving three fists instead of one is not good for the build. But he didn’t say why. Not sure if it’s true or not
proper furnace
Three fists??
Wait, heavy knuckle ig
Yeah not good
Makes your attack slower for no real upside
hushed saffron
Ok got ME this time. 21mn clear. The step up between before watching / reading guides and now is huge lol
I didn’t optimize my path at all though, I’m just clearing runs now lol, which is already good for me
sacred pulsar
one day youll end up with a sub 18 run and youll be wondering how you did it
hushed saffron
Oooooh 16.58
Hahaha the progress is real I’m so happy
I got lucky look the build though
That build is so much fun
hushed saffron
one day youll end up with a sub 18 run and youll be wondering how you did it
Faster than you thought 😬
So i litterally did 25 > 21 > 17 in three runs
And now can upgrade my Demeter fists to lv 5. I think now I’m gonna focus on unlocking meg companion
limber fjord
There is a lot of fat you can cut off just from basic gameplay improvements
Buildcrafting, dps patterns, pathing, etc.
hushed saffron
There is a lot of fat you can cut off just from basic gameplay improvements
Also I’m not really speed running, for instance if I see a darkness room I will go for it since I’m still farming lol. I’m not optimizing my path at all
It’s a half speed run let’s say cause I try to go fast but not optimizing
But I got lucky on this run I got my whole build before Tartarus boss except for impending
I got ME room 4 I think lol
limber fjord
Eh i mean even when i blast 20 heat pacts to pass bounties i can get sub 15 mins occasionally
Even if you're not speedrunning you naturally pick up speed as good gameplay
hushed saffron
I was on heat 5, I go 1 more for each run to farm titan blood hh
hushed saffron
Even if you're not speedrunning you naturally pick up speed as good gameplay
Right. + I put the time restriction for the heat. I put 9mn cause I was afraid of 7 but I guess I can go 7 easily now
limber fjord
Personally id crank it to td3 (5 mins per zone) asap
hushed saffron
Why?
Cause I still have a lot to do, like farming and stuff
I’m not focused on speed running yet
limber fjord
Im not a speedrunner myself, but fast gameplay is just good in general
hushed saffron
It’s fun right
limber fjord
I personally think it's fun
hushed saffron
But I will go for speed runs soon for sure haha
I just have too many other goals first
But as soon as I unlocked all the stuff I’ll go for speedrunning
limber fjord
Plus it's technically free heat if you clear under the bar anyways
limber fjord
Only because i have experience, sub 5 tart may be a little hard at first
Tight deadline doesn't instant kill you though
Drains 5 hp per second past the deadline
tight basin
tartarus can be a bit rough for time if you dont have a good build
hushed saffron
tartarus can be a bit rough for time if you dont have a good build
Yes I think so. I think I will try 7 first and see how it goes
I’m already super happy of what I’ve done in 5 runs i literally x10 my level lol
limber fjord
Yeah the improvement level up in this game is crazy
tight basin
speed moment
at this point it's a lot more mechanical than rng for lowering times so you'll improve a lot lmao
hushed saffron
at this point it's a lot more mechanical than rng for lowering times so you'll i...
In my last run there are some rooms where I was looking for enemies for like 10s lol
limber fjord
Numbskull/bomb pot enemies have awful pathing sometimes
Don't get me started on bombers in asphodel
tight basin
tbf that's still kinda mechanical lmao
bombers kinda rng but like
i dont think that's the overlying problem of runs lmao
hushed saffron
As much as I loved dead cells (and it’s a French game so I’m proud of my country hahaha), Hades doesn’t have that frustration part that I felt with dead cells. I can’t remember the last time I got that much addicted to a game (if we don’t count LoL 😑).
hushed saffron
I’ve already played more hades in one week than dead cells in 3 years lol
limber fjord
same tbh
to me it was the ability to choose your builds better
DC i'm at the mercy of not hitting the weapon i like and being forced to play with a weapon that i hate
limber fjord
deadcells is way more unforgiving at the start imo
hushed saffron
i don't even have a clear yet
Me too I think. If I remember there are 3 bosses? Only beat 2
hushed saffron
Better gameplay (well it’s totally subjective but anyway)
hushed saffron
also hades has better music
First time I heard Eurydice song I just stayed in the room for a while lol
viral geode
is that credit song?
hushed saffron
No the song when you get into the room of Eurydice
hushed saffron
Is it after 10 clears? Cause I have 7 now (including 3 in my last 3 runs yeaaah)
hushed saffron
Well I’ve watched Demeter fist build, now it’s quite easy lol
viral geode
do feel free to experiment though
don't get too attached to a specific playstyle i think
hushed saffron
don't get too attached to a specific playstyle i think
Well I’m this kind of player… like in LOL I’m otp haha
limber fjord
fists are definite the weapon of all time
hushed saffron
I plan to train on nemesis sword and maybe Zeus shield later
Ok let’s go for a 6 heat run now let’s see how it goes. Won’t beat the 17mn for sure I want to chill a bit haha. As long as I clear
tight basin
deadcells is way more unforgiving at the start imo
Imo it's easier to get an early clear in dead cells
There's less meta game upgrades that impact the run overall in dead cells
So you're kinda at "full strength" with dead cells
limber fjord
maybe that's my personal bias with dc
tight basin
Hades overall is an easier game tho
limber fjord
felt like it took ages and ages to get my 0bc clear and i felt like i wasn't making progress
tight basin
Oh i guess with dead cells the health potions upgrade matters a lot lmao
limber fjord
even when i maxed it out it was hard for me 
i think i only made it to last biome like a few times
dc gameplay is hard.
tight basin
It def is lmao
I just think you're more likely to get an early clear with dead cells than hades
You can get like lvl 3 potion in about 10 runs and clear after that probably but hades needs more grinding for mirror and generally takes at least 20 attempts
Hades is a shorter run length tho
limber fjord
maybe i'll give dc another shot
tight basin
You can do both
analog mauve
i havent played hades in like 2 days thats a new pb for me
hushed saffron
Ok 20mn with a so so build (needed time to complete the core stuff, didn’t even have a call in the end) + had to clear the five rooms of the Styx lol
I guess I won’t lose anymore run now
zenith fractal
Oh i guess with dead cells the health potions upgrade matters a lot lmao
dc potions kinda hades mirror of night
sacred pulsar
@hushed saffron i also thought sub 5 in tart was tough but i found myself quite often clearing it in 3 to 4 minutes
experience a bit with 7mins and youll see what are your usual times
they also keep improving
eager flint
Tart can be hard sometimes
At high heat at least
But asphodel and Elysium are free
And Styx can be free depending on the number of tunnels
Ok "free" is exaggerating
But basically the main bottlenecks are Tartarus and getting 4-5 sacked
viral geode
tart has too many chambers
eager flint
And way too many <expletive> skulls and witches
eager flint
Armored can get real bad with bp2 FO2 too
sacred pulsar
unarmored are fine to me since i run the sword a bunch, one special and theyre dead but armored it takes 2 to 3
so bad
proper furnace
The difference is in the time waste
Unarmored skulls/witches have a really low rating
So they'll just keep spawning
Usually only one at a time
south sonnet
insert let me leave clip
proper furnace
That's an even weirder situation because armored numbskulls shouldn't spawn in trials
And that's in the code
eager flint
oh there's another clip
@tight basin you're the great sage of clips, where's the one with two witches spawning one by one in tartarus ?
oh you're alreayd on the case
tight basin
unarmored are fine to me since i run the sword a bunch, one special and theyre d...
If you're going for time, armored is always better than unarmored
eager flint
godspeed
eager flint
at the beginning of that looong room with a split in the middle
tight basin
You can peruse my channel if you want lmao
eager flint
I hate this room btw
tight basin
X trap?
eager flint
nah
proper furnace
A few other funny unarmored enemies is blue swordmen
tight basin
Idk man I gotta get a haircut now lmao
eager flint
well best wishes to your hair then xD
tight basin
Nvm I gotta wait a bit anyways
But I don't remember any clips of unarmored witches because like
eager flint
tight basin
They kinda just exist in every run lmao
analog mauve
hi
plain river
is beowulf good ?
It’s honestly broken but you only need 1 level in it for it to do it’s job
limber fjord
Beo is the fastest aspect in the game but zeus is really good too
plain river
It’s honestly broken but you only need 1 level in it for it to do it’s job
and the only broken thing in the game
hushed saffron
<@349517626218905601> i also thought sub 5 in tart was tough but i found myself ...
Ok I just tried a sub 5, I made it easily (total 17mn) with a building which was not good (no Athena at allafter Tartarus). I guess I can regular clear it
plain river
Ok I just tried a sub 5, I made it easily (total 17mn) with a building which was...
Since subx is used for speedruns so often I thought you meant you cleared sub5 
hushed saffron
Since subx is used for speedruns so often I thought you meant you cleared sub5 <...
Ah sorry hahaha
Imagine the step up from not clearing at all yesterday to sub 5 today haha
So how do you call the sub 5 per zone?
plain river
I mean the speedrunning term would be your tart split but it’s not often really mentioned
hushed saffron
I mean the speedrunning term would be your tart split but it’s not often really ...
Cause nobody cares once you're advanced I guess haha
plain river
No they care a lot more on speedcord
But I’m not there anymore and it’s never used outside of speedrunnig
sacred pulsar
usually td5 ? either that or td3 i think are the most used terms
hushed saffron
Question: So my demeter aspect is finally lv5, my mirror upgrade is max, I got the keepsakes I need (not all max but anyway...). What else do I need to speedrun? I know I dont have companions yet, I'm gonna rush it
sacred pulsar
but some could help you with that question a lot more than i do since i dont speedrun yet
limber fjord
you kinda need companions
plain river
usually td5 ? either that or td3 i think are the most used terms
Td5 doesn’t exist
hushed saffron
you kinda need companions
Meg I guess
limber fjord
blowing up miniboss armor/5k damage vs heroes is pretty powerful
sacred pulsar
Td5 doesn’t exist
yeah i know, i meant it more as td5minutes but i guess its td3 that is used
hushed saffron
Ok I'm green now
plain river
Question: So my demeter aspect is finally lv5, my mirror upgrade is max, I got t...
Have you got your work orders?
hushed saffron
Have you got your work orders?
Oh right, not all...
Ok so I'll go farm my gems too
limber fjord
oh yeah work orders for blue laurel rooms and pots
sacred pulsar
is there something i dont get with work orders ? i just invest in the ones i think are the most pleasing visually
plain river
yeah i know, i meant it more as td5minutes but i guess its td3 that is used
Yeah, since it’s in uniform with every other use of abbreviations
hushed saffron
I havent checked farming strategies yet, I guess it goes with Poseidon
plain river
is there something i dont get with work orders ? i just invest in the ones i thi...
Work orders as in run upgrades
limber fjord
is there something i dont get with work orders ? i just invest in the ones i thi...
outside of the work orders in the leftmost tab they're just cosmetics
sacred pulsar
which are the best ones to use ? i got the key into the roll dice and the nectar into boon upgrade
i guess having them all wont hurt
limber fjord
key for dice
plain river
It’s best to just have them all
limber fjord
but having all is best obv
honestly maxing mirror was harder than filling work orders
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sacred pulsar
alright, i just find it tougher to get diamonds than to get blood to be honest
limber fjord
maybe because i grinded bounties so i wasn't getting big darkness from bosses
plain river
alright, i just find it tougher to get diamonds than to get blood to be honest
have you got fishing rod/ gems from bosses / treasure troves?
limber fjord
shouldn't work orders cost like 9 diamonds total or something
sacred pulsar
have you got fishing rod/ gems from bosses / treasure troves?
i got fishing rod but not the gems from bosses
plain river
Since the trade broker exists
Every upgrade to how many out of run materials you can get
Is a boost overall
more gems means more of other resources
hushed saffron
shouldn't work orders cost like 9 diamonds total or something
More for sure
plain river
More for sure
I think they mean the ones relevant to gameplay
hushed saffron
Ah. I dont know then
surreal venture
do i go arte attack or exit wounds here? this build is crazy already
this is hera bow btw
ah nvm wounds is too cracked
limber fjord
Honestly with explosive shot i see the strike angle
plain river
I would take strike tbh
limber fjord
Especially as level 1 hera
surreal venture
ah true
plain river
Exit wounds is almost exclusively boss damage
limber fjord
And also worthless if you wallbug which is pretty easily to do even accidentally
surreal venture
wallbug?
surreal venture
?
limber fjord
I could be wrong though
Especially considering you need the sustained damage from bow strikes
tight basin
Might be wis hammer
is wis "worst in slot"?
limber fjord
Yes
tight basin
because explosive hera is totally fine
like
ideally you're playing up close anyways
so min charging
plain river
Explosive is definitely a zag bow/rama option but for hera it is less rad
Still rad just less
tight basin
it is not a rama option
limber fjord
I wanted death playing explosive rama wtf
Im just kind of a hater of this hammer 🙃 sorry
tight basin
flurry, twin, triple, perfect, point blank, and explosive are all good choices on hera
tight basin
explosive rama takes 4 years to charge
plain river
Explosive/ flurry rama thou
hushed saffron
6th win in a row, finally unlocked credits. And 8 heat statue at the same time.
I had troubles with the <5mn heat for this run, I lost 2 lives at Tartarus boss and 2 lives at Elyseum boss because I was overtime so I was losing 5hp per second. But I managed :p
proper furnace
Congrats on the credits
hushed saffron
Thanks :p So basically 7 runs with the new build. First one is when I came here and you replied to me because I lost at Theseus haha. Then only wins
The key factor for me was to press dash attack at the same time instead of dash then attack for the assault. Game changer
Gonna keep farming titan blood and ambrosia, unlock companions and we will see.
tight basin
dash and then attack for a delayed dash strike can be good tho since you'll have more iframes and then deal damage afterwards
hushed saffron
dash and then attack for a delayed dash strike can be good tho since you'll have...
That's a bit of a concern with ME, I wonder if pressing dash attack at the same time always proc the ME
I guess it does but Im thinking maybe if the execution is not good
tight basin
oh if youre doing ME then just spam them together
hushed saffron
No skilled build haha
stable wren
ok m b
eager flint
advantage of playing a game that is on final version for years : you can easily answer most questions through links
hushed saffron
how do i make builds
Find the weapon you like the most, find the aspect you like the most (but I'd say check if it's good lol), then check what Juncoril sent you and check specific guides for the build you chose
I've done that and I went from "difficult to clear" to under 20mn clear 7 clears in a row (which is not specifically good, but I stepped up x10 by just reading and watching info lol)
And asking questions here
And +1 heat each run, I just cleared the 9 heat one, i'll go for 10 now
But I've done 3 runs with the <5mn per zone, it's stressful, even though I succeeded I'll go back to 7 just to feel more relaxed haha
grave bramble
Does anyone have any tips on how I can get better with the adamant rail? I can work with literally any of the other weapons but I never seem to get any better with Exagryph
proper furnace
If controller get reload off r3 already
Also how much rail sucks depends on what attack boon you are using
grave bramble
Which boons do you reccomend?
proper furnace
If normal rail just slap zeus attack on it
After that get static discharge/add tidal dash from poseidon
Pom these 2
Best hammers are cluster + rockets
Delta for defense
Triple bomb/targeting system as whatever
grave bramble
Thanks man I'll give it a shot
proper furnace
Oh yeah if you have the blood for the aspects
For zeus route use eris
If you have the blood to reach lvl 4/5 hestia you can go aphro attack instead
Just constant reload > attack should get you wins (if a little boring/slow)
grave bramble
Alrr thank you
hushed saffron
Noooo after 9 consecutive clears I lost at hades with 12 heat, I played so bad. Really need to step up my skills. I feel like the Demeter build is a cheat code cause you can easily with with no skills 🤣
limber fjord
is this dem fists
definitely a build of all time
if you're open to changing things up, try zeus fists
hushed saffron
Zeus shield you mean?
proper furnace
Fists with zeus attack
limber fjord
it's pretty nice because you can very naturally go either attack oriented or special oriented angles
put arte or aphro on special for that % scaling and good duos
proper furnace
Zeus fists is often weaker than a good ME run but it doesn't cry to death if you don't get a part of it
You only need atk + jolted (+poms) to win
limber fjord
it helps break up the monotony of playing me fists and makes me hate the game less because getting bricked until ely/styx is very hard
hushed saffron
Ah you mean the Zeus Poseidon build. Haven’t tried yet
proper furnace
Don't need poseidon really
I just slap divine dash on it and call it a day
Or blade dash
hushed saffron
You play Demeter aspect?
eager flint
Many things can be slapped on Zeus fist ime
proper furnace
You play Demeter aspect?
Yeah
If you mean to go for sea storm
I'd say don't bother
hushed saffron
Elysium is hard within 5mn at some heat point for me…
eager flint
Elysium ? Huh. What's your build ?
hushed saffron
Demeter fist ares/athena but I didn’t drop ME
Do you have any good resource to understand how to get Meg companion? I read you need to give 5 elixir then I don’t get it, I’ve already read stupid stuff lol
limber fjord
wiki should have it
basically donate nectar until you get a specific dialogue then donate ambrosia until she gives you the plush
proper furnace
Her favor to unlock the lock (and thus gifting ambrosia > getting companion) is pretty much just keep talking to her
You need to get certain dialogues
sacred pulsar
i just keep giving her things until she likes me enough
i didnt even know you could have a companion lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61B_93hCwpU
sorry if we cant post links, but i was looking through the speedrun discord and decided to watch this vid
what aspect is this rail ? modded ?
the first part of it
i just seen its lucifer aspect but it looks so strong
sacred pulsar
damn, i just watched some of his eris and mine definetely doesnt hurt like that
and i have a similar build
and his aim is great i dont get it lol
limber fjord
controller magnetism go brrr
honestly the special control is way more impressive to me
the strangest part is that eris is the 3rd fastest here
eager flint
Demeter fist ares/athena but I didn’t drop ME
well yeah without ME you deal no damage, it's normal
That's just how ME works
it's feast or famine
hushed saffron
basically donate nectar until you get a specific dialogue then donate ambrosia u...
I can’t donate anything anymore and I’ve talked to her several times so I’m not sure I should go on or if I missed something
eager flint
nah it's RNG
RNG hell
... RNG tartarus I guess ?
Anyway, nothing else to do but play and pray
limber fjord
you need to get lucky with your house dialogue
eager flint
it do be like that sometimes
hushed saffron
Got to Tartarus boss without even the ares attack (I start with ares keepsake lol)
limber fjord
honestly i think killing meg then taking a bath is faster but i haven't actually rta timed it
it's definitely more interesting
limber fjord
i mean angelic stood in lava during her 64 heat so you're not alone
wooden jungle
I love smoldering air so much
limber fjord
One of the boons of all time undoubtedly
viral geode
i think smair is way too good
you can throw it on just about anything reasonably easily, so it's less interesting i think
tight basin
i mean you're not wrong lmao
free damage and iframes
the only ones that dont would be castpects for speedrunning
viral geode
why not castpects?
tight basin
dad call
tight basin
dad call gives 100% more damage in a short burst
and castpects are all burst weapons basically
tight basin
no they just take acorn into styx for speed lmao
keep up high confidence
hourglass is a bit sus since most of the time you dont see wells in styx
except like the midbiome one
but it'd have to be really good for you to take hourglass
but also castpects take hourglass into elysium for that reason lmao
they benefit the most from wells
analog mauve
Yesterday I took distant memory into ely
viral geode
i wanted to thank you bananas for your 32 heat guide, it's really helpful
valid dagger
np
viral geode
do you have a 40 heat guide
tight basin
it's gonna be like the same thing lmao
same builds more or less
add hl5 cf1/js1 hs ap1 onto the fo2 pact on the guide
depending on the aspect you can do dc2 instead of ap1
or like some combo of cf and js
viral geode
ok yeah that's what i am doing
plain river
I would forgo dc2 and ap1 for cf and js
plain river
tight basin
but also like fists and non hestia rails can deal with dc2 fine
analog mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1189834483659198474/...
This is worse than lightmode
tight basin
lmfao
tight basin
Bananas, if “just hit” worked I wouldn’t’ve swapped
tbf i hit mirage shot on my second ever 40 heat run in tartarus with ap1
plain river
Thanks I make sure to take my photos in a completely dark room so it’s the only light in the room
plain river
tbf i hit mirage shot on my second ever 40 heat run in tartarus with ap1
Tbf that’s your experience and the SSG Giant notoriously comes to my house and tampers with my gamefiles to mess up my rng
tight basin
skill issue
analog mauve
Relatable
proper furnace
Amir watches and controls all the runs as always
plain river
This is worse than lightmode
I think it's better but idk, my eyes don't scream at brightness
plain river
It’s not actually brighter than the previous version, is it?
sacred pulsar
i dont think so but the colors are definetely messing with my retina
dapper harness
It looks bleached
sacred pulsar
alright i need help right now to know which gods to focus
im using eris rail and rn i got:
- Attack zeus epic
- static discharge epic
- aphro special rare
- hermes attack faster
pos dash ?
limber fjord
yes
limber fjord
if this is heading into asph you pick pos keepsake and click tidal dash
pom static discharge and dash and go win
tight basin
yeah this is an easy tdash take
sacred pulsar
would it be worth it to buy yarn in shop with pos keepsake ?
to get a better tidal dash or rare is fine too ?
sacred pulsar
of course i get barned
tight basin
not the barn
but yeah i will say yarn is worth
better hermes and/or tidal dash is always good
considering it's a "late" tdash, a good rarity would be nice starting point
sacred pulsar
praying for a 2 sack rn i cant lioe
hehe
damn
i thought i was faster than 18mins
eager flint
still good !
sacred pulsar
i just got close to the best build i couldve gotten on sword but no patty and i took godfights so no pb 
16 flat
although i did do my fastest dad fight, barely over a minute i think
1:20 something like that
south sonnet
just hit the rng
its time to say the thing
64 heat isnt that bad, just hit the rng
hushed saffron
Do we need to beat Meg in a run to have her after the game?
Cause I reset like 10 times, she's never here
south sonnet
yes
hushed saffron
Ok yes, I proc'd her three times now
But impossible to give Ambrosia (she already came to my room)
Guess I have to try again and again 😦
sacred pulsar
man
fo2 is tougher than i thought
i cant manage to keep my defiances
idk why
everything hits me
making me tilted
tight basin
turns out, everything being 44% faster screws up your internal timings lmao
sacred pulsar
yeah, but the thing is that im not that much faster than on no heat
i died on heroes at 12 mins
which is my average
tight basin
i mean you're getting hit more and probably playing safer
and getting hit means hit stun, which is no damage
fo2 is faster, but you need to be good at fo2 for it to be faster lmao
limber fjord
fo2 is faster when you can actually blast encounters and bosses that fast
tight basin
try fo1 first
work your way up to it
unless you were already doing fo1 beforehand, at that point start learning lmao
limber fjord
alternatively just power through
sacred pulsar
ill clear my sword bounty for 4 heat and then ill do td1 and fo1
sacred pulsar
lmao
let me get something straight
if i wanna gain time, i should choose :
- boss foes over normal foes
- Shop / ! rooms
- anything else than the duo god rooms
Am I correct ?
vagrant crane
if i wanna gain time, i should choose :
- boss foes over normal foes
- Shop / !...
sure
proper furnace
Also get lucky for fountains/chaos
limber fjord
the less fights you have to do the better
i'm still stuck in the mindset of looking at room rewards 😔
sacred pulsar
oh yeah right, chaos counts as a "free" room ?
limber fjord
could've got a sub 9 if i took midshop instead of ely mini
yes cuz there's no fighting
proper furnace
Also menu Than is nice
sacred pulsar
alright thanks
lets try this again, first sub 3 min tart
barge 
thats it for me tonight, choked a sub 12 when the rng god was with me
2 sack too
hushed saffron
Guys, any guide on which heat to take first to make things easier? Im grinding 1 per 1 one till 20 (Im at 12 now it's becoming a bit difficult, though not too bad)
tight basin
there's a heat leveling guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
it does take em3 a bit early, but you can substitute that with other things probably
hushed saffron
there's a heat leveling guide pinned in <#725021448426749993>
Yours?
tight basin
the spreadsheet
my guide is specifically for 32 heat
there is a section for heat leveling, but that just uses the spreadsheet lmao
tight basin
yeah you can replace that with other things lmao
just go like 3 heats higher and take those heats instead of em3 i guess
crude oriole
Also get lucky for fountains/chaos <:dusa:522248771409543188>
is it worth it to invest in chaos gates for that?
eager flint
wdym by "invest" ?
crude oriole
...i meant buy lights of ixion at the well
wasn't paying attention when writing that msg sorry
eager flint
np np
and yes, unless it would give you a bonus chaos
a chaos before the end shop
in which case it doesn't let you skip a room, it just gives you a bonus chaos room
analog mauve
It will still take only 3 seconds max
eager flint
A 3 second timesave is a 3 seconds timesave
analog mauve
On like beo and hera you it would probably be worth taking the extension if it's in tart or aspho
eager flint
oh, true
plain river
Extreme measure 3? I have big troubles with this one xd
I would consider practicing the fight more 
plain river
A 3 second timesave is a 3 seconds timesave
3s timesave when it means I don’t get extra cast or cast damage?
The chaos bonus could very well be extra timesave
eager flint
oh yeah if you care about chaos you take the bonus chaos boon
but if you're on idk, nemesis ME, might as well go
hushed saffron
4th run maybe where I try to get a new record
ME hasn’t dropped once…
I even made a run till the end to try to get ME but nope 🤣
viral geode
it'll be easier once you max out the mirror
hushed saffron
Everything is maxed except my dice
5th run no Athena Tartarus I guess I must reset this too
eager flint
yeah you can fish for ME until lernie and still get a good run
hushed saffron
you don't need to reset just use her keepsake in asphodel
But I need to get special + ME + dash isn’t it a lot if I didn’t get at least special?
I’m 400 darkness away from last dice
viral geode
athena in tartarus is great
lucid oar
At this level its best not to reset
viral geode
but it's not too often, and it is ok to get it later
lucid oar
What if youre on big PB pace but you haven’t practiced how to play without ME?
proper furnace
Go to settings
lucid oar
Should be in the settings somewhere
hushed saffron
What if youre on big PB pace but you haven’t practiced how to play without ME?
I did play without ME but it’s slower for sure, can’t be pb without it I think
lucid oar
You can definitely pb without ME
hushed saffron
Oh right thanks
hushed saffron
Well at least now with timer I’ll have a better idea of my perf
If I aim at a sub12 what should be my timer for each zone approximately?
lucid oar
Roughly 3:00, 5:20, 9:30, 10:45, 11:59 for Tartarus, asphodel, elysium, Styx, dad
hushed saffron
I was on a good run despite getting ME just before Theseus but I got 4 rooms at the Styx lol
Let’s go again…
floral drift
how does one play demeter malphon
dapper harness
<@&456908176877551658>
errant narwhal
got u
dapper harness
hushed saffron
Roughly 3:00, 5:20, 9:30, 10:45, 11:59 for Tartarus, asphodel, elysium, Styx, da...
Ok 13.34 new pb. I was two minutes late after Elysium
tight basin
Elysium moment
hushed saffron
I lost too much time at asphodel (or whatever it is called)
Got lucky on Elysium rooms but asphodel omg…
hushed saffron
Do you keep track of your biome splits?
You mean time per zone?
Is there a way to see in game? Cause I check during the run but I forgot already
tight basin
Or record the run
tight basin
You can but idk how
plain river
I think you either need 3rd party stuff for capturing the screen data or just set up a camera pointing at your screen
tight basin
You could take a screenshot after each boss kill to keep track of the time lmao
hushed saffron
Xd
I’ll try a few more runs before sleeping and check tomorrow for recording stuff
plain river
I’m shooting off a msg to speedcord now asking how switch speedrunners capture their runs
hushed saffron
I wanna try to sub13 first
plain river
I’ll get back to you if I get an answer
hushed saffron
Thanks 🙏
hushed saffron
Ok 12.58. This time no impending doom no call no luck on Elysium. Only better thing is that I got only 2 rooms at the Styx. I don’t know how I got a better time though lol
So I’ve noted down my splits: 6.41/10.06/11.34/12.58
proper furnace
Do you have hades keepsake yet
hushed saffron
Yes I forgot to use it… I took acorn which is totally useless lol
tight basin
is 10:06 -> 11:34 elysium
hushed saffron
Yes
tight basin
god damn that's a good elysium
hushed saffron
Really xd
lucid oar
Surely it’s 6:41 aspho 10:06 ely
hushed saffron
I had a patrocle but and 1 or 2 shops and that’s it
However I got a mini boss that I killed in legit 4 seconds
lucid oar
The splits I gave are extremely rough
hushed saffron
Surely it’s 6:41 aspho 10:06 ely
100% no I’ve noted down my times every split
lucid oar
A good elysium can majorly change a run
hushed saffron
Oh yes sorry I’m stupid I forgot the first timing
lucid oar
100% no I’ve noted down my times every split
You’re telling me you left Tartarus in nearly 7 minutes and almost PBd?
Ok yeah
tight basin
that makes a lot more sense lmao
lucid oar
But yeah it’s very rough
hushed saffron
Cause I’ve noted on my phone I didn’t see the top of the list 🤣
3.34/6.41/10.06/11.34/12.58 there we go
tight basin
this is ME fists right
hushed saffron
Yes
lucid oar
The ratio is roughly 3:2:4:3 for tart:aspho:ely:styxdad,
hushed saffron
I got me before Elysium
tight basin
ME before lernie fight is like the main thing you wanna aim for yeah
hushed saffron
So my split time makes sense? Nothing specific?
lucid oar
Yeah
eager flint
The ratio is roughly 3:2:4:3 for tart:aspho:ely:styxdad,
Oh, I always thought Elysium would be faster than Tartarus. Although my experience is mostly high heat, and BP2 in Tartarus is rough
tight basin
Oh, I always thought Elysium would be faster than Tartarus. Although my experien...
nah even in high heat tartarus is faster
or like about the same at least
hushed saffron
I wanted to start with an elite room but I misclicked the room beside lol
But turned out well in the end lol
eager flint
I'll see how long I take next time I run high heat
For now I'm trying sub 10 all aspects. Currently at Guan Yu
tight basin
tartarus is just long and bp can suck sometimes
eager flint
Going in order
eager flint
Elite archers suck so much
hushed saffron
Btw I speed run at 0 heat, not 9 😂
eager flint
Which is worse in dad fight : EM4 MM bball, or BP2 double armored archers ?
tight basin
run minimum 6 heat
eager flint
And the goal is to beat the run
tight basin
em2 and fo1
eager flint
But damn, that's so much slower
potent tree
I run 6 heat. Is very doable
eager flint
6 is what, FO2 but no EM ?
tight basin
em2 is a faster lernie fight since it's a smaller arena
fo makes enemies spawn in faster
lucid oar
FO1 should definitely take off a nice chunk
hushed saffron
Why I do 0 heat is because I don’t like the other hydra map
tight basin
6 is what, FO2 but no EM ?
em2 fo1
lucid oar
FO2 is harder to get used to, but worth it in the long run
hushed saffron
6 heat which hydra map we get?
eager flint
Oh, fair
tight basin
Why I do 0 heat is because I don’t like the other hydra map
i mean if you want a faster time you'll learn it lol
hushed saffron
i mean if you want a faster time you'll learn it lol
Yes of course but too lazy for now haha
tight basin
same with learning fo
eager flint
You could still run EM0 and FO2 if you specifically don't want lernie
hushed saffron
You could still run EM0 and FO2 if you specifically don't want lernie
What is it? Not easy for me to understand cause my game is not in English
tight basin
Extreme Measures and Forced Overtime
hushed saffron
Let me check