h1-builds-and-combat

[neat rock]

see ya in a bit fellas

thanks a lot jazz

[marble ridge]

Cya

[vagrant crane]

yea it’s the best single hammer

[marble ridge]

Just turns it into better bow

[tight basin]

Pretty much

Closest thing to cshot is rocket bomb

[marble ridge]

For some reason I distinctly remember it being called Piercing Shot

[tight basin]

Decent chance it was called that in early access but I wouldn't know

[marble ridge]

Wait I know why. In the description it says "fires a piercing shot" iirc

[tight basin]

Also that lmao

[marble inlet]

Got it in 3 sacks

TIME TO KILL DAD WITH LVL 8 FLOOD FLARE

[marble ridge]

Oh god

That's almost overkill

[tight basin]

Lvl 8 flood flare isn't that much extra damage from like lvl6 iirc

[marble inlet]

"Let us see if that support from Olympus does anything of use"
lmao

[tight basin]

The big kicker is mirage shot lmao

[marble inlet]

Bite me

[marble inlet]

Yea

[marble ridge]

One time I had Hunting Blades and Mirage Shot, Flurry Cast, Fully Loaded and a Grasp boon. I was firing like ten rifts at a time

Might f around and rank all the duo boons

[marble inlet]

Sounds aweosme

[marble ridge]

Alright what keepsake should I use for Pos Blade?

[vagrant crane]

depends on what u want to do

i start shackle

[marble ridge]

How come?

[vagrant crane]

fun

[marble ridge]

Fair lmao

[vagrant crane]

got me an alright time

[marble ridge]

Wait I forgot I was in the middle of a run lmao

[vagrant crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1123732947074289674/image.png?width=1440&height=450

[steady walrus]

Is Myrnidon Bracer ever good? Getting backstabbed seems like a bad penalty even if the total dmg reduction averages to like 20%

[vagrant crane]

no

it's useless

[steady walrus]

Yeah figured

[marble ridge]

Use it with shield /j

[steady walrus]

Wh ab Spearpoint?

[vagrant crane]

it has like

a tiny niche for styx

cause of poison damage

still not worth using

imo

[tight basin]

Also niche for em4 I heard, specifically butterfly ball I think

But acorn is generally better for everything else

[vagrant crane]

isnt that tooth

[marble ridge]

On a similar topic, is it worth it to get Sisyphus's companion?

[vagrant crane]

eh

very few reasons to ever swap off meg

[marble ridge]

Shackle is actually cracked lmao. Don't know why I never used it before

[marble inlet]

Hearing Thesues and Dad scream about rocks falling from the sky is funny

And I GUESS the health could probably be viable in a pinch

[marble ridge]

Also not me losing a DD to Doomstone

[marble inlet]

I lost one to Meg earlier

Not on the Beo run, but still

[marble ridge]

HELP I DIED TO TISI

[tight basin]

It do be like that sometimes

[vagrant crane]

how

[marble ridge]

I had a "don't attack" Chaos boon

[tight basin]

Honestly based

Did you atk anyways

[marble ridge]

Nope

Just tried to Special lol

[tight basin]

You might've gotten farther if you did that lmao

It doesn't kill you

Brings you down to 1 hp

[marble ridge]

WAIT REALLY?

[tight basin]

Yeah

Pretty funny

[marble ridge]

[tight basin]

Just don't get hit

[marble inlet]

F

[marble ridge]

Gonna try Beo. What keepsake should I start with if I want MShot.

[cloud shore]

Hey im pretty new I'm trying to do a level 7 heat run with coronacht any suggestions?

[vagrant crane]

conch shell

[vagrant crane]

use hera

and aphrodite keepsake

take crush shot

pom it a lot

[marble inlet]

Yep

[cloud shore]

Fun

[tight basin]

Poseidon cast start to be specific

[cloud shore]

What should I put on attack?

[vagrant crane]

deadly strike works

[tight basin]

Not Poseidon

[marble inlet]

^

[tight basin]

Any other %

[cloud shore]

What god is that

[tight basin]

Artemis

[vagrant crane]

artemis

[marble inlet]

If only Cast could crit

Lmao

[tight basin]

Just get global crit chances lmao

Pressure points, deadly reversal, hunters mark

[cloud shore]

Well thanks what are some easy heat I use em 2 but what else

[tight basin]

And just get the crit

[tight basin]

Tight deadline

Hard labor

[marble inlet]

Crit level 8 Flood Flare would go bonkers

[tight basin]

For very early heats, jury summons isn't too bad but i wouldn't make it a habit of using that

[marble ridge]

Is Flood Flare the best for Beo?

[tight basin]

Yes

[cloud shore]

Thank you 🙏

[tight basin]

Easily leads into mirage shot

Has sustainable damage and huge aoe

[marble inlet]

Someone post the guide link again lol

[tight basin]

Damage falls off in ely

The beo ones?

[marble inlet]

Yea

[tight basin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.h953vyht4pua https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit

[vagrant crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ntEWKM0AN6UluJaFSM3V9_Q4zxKTDI79Ieajgc2iTqE/edit#heading=h.em8q4poyokic

[marble ridge]

Also should I load all three bloodstones or only one at a time?

[neat rock]

ok im back

hi

[vagrant crane]

load based on breakpoints

if it takes one, do one

two, do two

three, do three

for bosses and big enemies do 2/1 cycles

[marble inlet]

Welcome back

[neat rock]

thank you :)

[marble inlet]

Oh.
I did as many as I could at once

[neat rock]

should i pick demeter or hermes

last thing i picked was the charged shot

i think demeter’s slowing is great

[vagrant crane]

i mean

killing freeze could be good

[marble inlet]

Isn't that Dem legendary?

[vagrant crane]

no

thats winter harvest or something

[marble inlet]

O

[cloud shore]

Is rare crop good?

[vagrant crane]

if it's guaranteed to hit what you want it to go for it

and your cast isnt epic

at epic itll really only lower your damage for a bit and the boost isnt that much

[cloud shore]

Thank you

[neat rock]

didnt get killing freeze :p

got arctic blast

ravenous will

[vagrant crane]

thats ok

[neat rock]

both epic

[vagrant crane]

cshot has decent hit frequency

[neat rock]

and last is cold fusion

[vagrant crane]

cold fusion is funny so id take that

funny optiion is funny

[neat rock]

funny option or winning option

😦

[marble ridge]

Alright. A quick question. For Beo, should I do Dread Flight, Dashing Wallop, or Charged Flight?

[vagrant crane]

well

arctic blast and rav will arent gonna win u a run

so might as well be funny

[marble ridge]

Ok this is actually a stupid question lmao

[vagrant crane]

dashing wallop i guess

[marble inlet]

Yea

[marble ridge]

Yeah I did Wallop

Now, do I do Deadly Flourish or Artemis Aid?

[vagrant crane]

deadly flourish

[marble ridge]

I don't want to replace Flood Flare

Ok gotcha

[vagrant crane]

calls make ur hermes odds worse

and u wanna leave the slot open for dad call

[neat rock]

DAMN

[marble ridge]

When do I switch to dad call?

[neat rock]

i lost to theseus and the bull guy

[warm snow]

Styx

[marble ridge]

Also I just beat Tisi. Do I switch to Arrowhead or stay with Conch?

[warm snow]

Go arrowhead

[vagrant crane]

do u have mirage

[marble ridge]

Not yet

[vagrant crane]

theres never a reason to keep a god keepsake on more than once

it only works once

[marble ridge]

Ok quick question. I can either choose between a Dio/Arte faceoff or Eurydice. If I do Eurydice will I still be guaranteed an Arte?

[proper furnace]

yes

if your keepsake has the little 1 under it then is still working

the charge is only used when picking up the boon

[marble ridge]

Oh ok gotcha

What's the best Eurydice meal?

[vagrant crane]

nectar

[marble inlet]

Wdym Eurydice isn't the choice just to hear Good Riddance or || In The Blood|| lol

[marble ridge]

True true

Ok. Deadly Strike, Pressure Points, it Hunter's Mark?

Or refresh

[vagrant crane]

roll

for mirage

[marble ridge]

I don't have it. Roll again?

[vagrant crane]

roll

[marble ridge]

Damn I didn't get it

[warm snow]

strike

[marble inlet]

F

[vagrant crane]

1erf time

[marble ridge]

Now it's between Strike, Call, and Support Fire

[warm snow]

definitely strike

[marble ridge]

Support Fire would be good for literally any other weapon lmao

[marble inlet]

I'm sure Flurry Slash + Sword + Support Fire goes hard

[marble ridge]

Had it with those and Piercing Wave once. It was incredible

Ok now it's between Greater Evasion, Swift Strike, and Greatest Reflex

All Rare

[cloud shore]

Can you get duo boons from the rooms with two gods

[marble ridge]

I think so

[cloud shore]

Sick

[marble ridge]

I'm going with Evasion but tell me if I'm wrong

OH MY GOD I GOT MIRAGE SHOT

[steady walrus]

I don’t think so? I could b wrong

[round umbra]

No

[woven nexus]

Really? Trial of the gods never allow for Duo/Lego procs?

[proper furnace]

legendaries yes

duos no

[cloud shore]

I BEAT IT!! I got a legendary level 7 crush shot so it wasnt super difficult I didnt use any of my death defiances

[round umbra]

Victory with flying colours. Hera?

[cloud shore]

Yes 😔

[marble inlet]

Dang! Nice work

[cloud shore]

Thank you this game is very much awesome sauce

[marble inlet]

Indeed it is

How far along are you?

[cloud shore]

Am I allowed to give spoilers and stuff I dont wanna ruin it

[round umbra]

New players is really the only channel we try to control spoilers

[marble inlet]

Yea

[round umbra]

I think

[cloud shore]

Ahh okay well ive beaten the main story

[round umbra]

Ah, multiple clears?

[cloud shore]

Ye

[round umbra]

Kind of a let down if you have a good build going lol

[cloud shore]

The boat ride back made me so happy in the credits

[round umbra]

Good song

[cloud shore]

Banger

[marble inlet]

ITS INNNN THE BLOOOOOOOOOOD

[cloud shore]

I love it 😭

[marble inlet]

I stumbled my way through my first sword clear because of that 10th run lmao

I 100% would've lost the fight

[cloud shore]

I have the hidden aspect of the sword and I did like 3 clears of that and it was fun but I cant bring myself to do it again

[woven nexus]

Weird. Do you know why? Spaghetti code?

Either way I know now that I was wasting rerolls

[marble inlet]

F

[vagrant crane]

intentional

[cloud shore]

It makes sense if they where both in the same room but if its one thats very sad 😢

[woven nexus]

Dont tell me they did that just to avoid those duo-related conversation triggers which clash with inducing jealousy in Trials. Because thats way past my runs these days

[vagrant crane]

think about it

the god is mad

[cloud shore]

It makes sense

[woven nexus]

And yet it can trigger Lego on the mad god?

[proper furnace]

why did lego stuck as the short name for legendaries

[warm snow]

funny orange boon

[proper furnace]

I've always seen it as too mad to collab with others

[woven nexus]

Cause its hilarious

[woven nexus]

I'm mad but I'm still giving you my RAREST BOON!

[proper furnace]

and if you really want an explanation
offer legendaries cuz you chose them first and then bc they already calmed out by the end of the thing

or at least that's my 5 second thought

[warm snow]

'if you can withstand me i'll tolerate you'

[woven nexus]

I can easily understand Ares easily forgiving

He loves a good fight

[proper furnace]

can also just say
"gods are petty and so they decide"

and it works

[woven nexus]

Trials is one of the most accurate depiction of Olympians

They are that petty

[marble ridge]

Read this as "pretty" and was like yeah fair

[proper furnace]

lmao

[woven nexus]

The trojan war happened because of one of them being petty

[proper furnace]

kid I know we were helping you one second ago buuuuuuuuuuuut

you chose the wrong god

[vagrant crane]

Lady Aphrodite is literally perfect in every way

[woven nexus]

For gods who's all about polygamies, they sure still prefer to be the favorites

[vagrant crane]

heretic

[woven nexus]

I dunno. Not a fan of her cheek bones and chiseled jaw

[proper furnace]

doesn't hit the same without the crocodiles img

[vagrant crane]

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[marble inlet]

Wha

[marble ridge]

Someone photoshop Hades Aphro onto that

[vagrant crane]

dont

[marble inlet]

Using Hades aspect Spear, what God should I go for lol

[vagrant crane]

the god that turns your spear into achilles

[woven nexus]

Anyone with good multipliers? I remember some hammer boons making spins very fast charges and meatier

Ngl I'd rather do GY over Hades

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

GY is good

hades is garbo

[woven nexus]

But I'd rather do Hades over Zag

[tight basin]

quick spin exists

[proper furnace]

achilles being a better spin weapon than hades anyways

[woven nexus]

I want max charge faster!

[woven nexus]

I'm gonna take that Flurry tyvm

[proper furnace]

go ahead

is just funny

why doesn't hades spear debuff affect spins

[round umbra]

I want to try this. Just not as much as I want to do every Achilles cast and also Achilles flurry

[woven nexus]

I also prefer to do spins with GY

At least GY spins have utility

[woven nexus]

It doesnt? No wonder its garbo

[proper furnace]

yeah is such a weird thing

so as always you do ME or exploding launcher + charged skewer

which is GY but takes 2 hammers

[woven nexus]

Btw how's Scintillating Feast Achilles? Trippy has always been a meaty non lodging cast

[marble inlet]

I've made more Clears with Hades aspect than Guan Yu or Achilles

[woven nexus]

Sounds more like a choice than actual results

[proper furnace]

I think ice wine is more important to trippy achilles

to delete the throwing arc

[woven nexus]

Ah keeping them in?

[proper furnace]

sci feast is more of a fun thing

[woven nexus]

Oh forgot ice wine removes the throw

Ive done all fated choices of duos but it feels like a fever dream of mostly underwhelming duos

[proper furnace]

if you get your daily dose of zeus boons ofc is fun but eh

[woven nexus]

So i forgot some of them are decent

[tight basin]

ice wine is better because shorter throw and also a % multiplier
the thunder bolts are nice but it's not an immediate boost

[proper furnace]

rod does basically the same for me

[woven nexus]

Gonna consider that then

[proper furnace]

main difference is that you can also open dio legendary easy

[tight basin]

if you get jolted it really kinda only works on armored enemies since those can't get stunned by the shot i think

[woven nexus]

Demeter has always been quite good in cast builds

If you just ignore her beam

[proper furnace]

for another +60% global boost

[woven nexus]

So now it looks like I've gotten every olympian being in some amazing builds one way or another.

But which ones get good builds the least?

[vagrant crane]

dem

[proper furnace]

yeah dem

[vagrant crane]

literally only a supporting god

no build centers around her

[proper furnace]

also as always

[vagrant crane]

unless u count hera

[proper furnace]

how good we speaking

[woven nexus]

I dont even think i want a build centered on her beams

But its hilarious you can go Dem lego just from her solid supporting boons

[warm snow]

what can you even use winter harvest for

[outer sonnet]

Winning

[marble ridge]

It can be good if you get it in Tart

[warm snow]

oh i meant aspect

[outer sonnet]

Lego in tart

[outer sonnet]

??

Dem fists?

[warm snow]

what aspect can you even use winter harvest for

[marble ridge]

Wait I'm mixing it up with the one that makes it common and then goes up

[vagrant crane]

beo :croven:

[marble ridge]

Which one is Harvest?

[outer sonnet]

Rare crop gang 💯

[outer sonnet]

Kills chill affected foes when they get 10% hp or below

[marble ridge]

Oh damn that sounds incredible

[outer sonnet]

Its great for bosses

It has a cool animation too

Actually

The animation is pretty crappy but its still cool

[marble ridge]

Lol

[marble inlet]

Well that failed miserably. Ran out of time for the first time. Lost 2/4 Dd's (extra from Chaos) fighting Charon in Elysium, and Pat didn't show up

[vagrant crane]

what wep

[fading totem]

@marble inlet I ran out of time in Elysium one of my clears, used 2 DD but managed.

Went into the boss fight with 20 seconds, made it work lol.

[marble inlet]

F

Good for you tho

[marble inlet]

Bow on Dark Thirst
I smell a Hera bow build

Fudge
Arti gave me Exit Wounds at Epic rarity. Do I do that or reroll for Strike?

[vagrant crane]

is hunter dash on screen

[marble inlet]

Yes

[vagrant crane]

take that

[marble inlet]

Oh

K

Poseiden boon for Mirage Shot now right? Either that or a Heart

[vagrant crane]

might as well

[marble inlet]

Yea

Aaannndd Than is here

Welp, guess I'm getting both

Tempest Strike AND Flourish are offered but no rarity. (also Aid, which is epic)
Should I take Flourish

Took it

Also Charon time

Arti Strike wooo

LMAO
Wiped Tis in 25 seconds

[marble inlet]

Hammer or Euridyce

Actually wait- Euridyce to bump current rarities up

Didn't get Crush Shot upgraded :( oh well

[vagrant crane]

mirage

[marble inlet]

Oh ok

Mirage it is

Going into Ely, I have 9 coins lmao

[unborn cipher]

Lmao

[marble inlet]

What keepsake should I grab lmao

No Aphro or Arti

I'm oddly leaning towards Hypnos Coin Purse and saving Acorn for Hades

Eh why not

[tight basin]

is this hera i can't tell

[marble inlet]

Yes Hera
CHAOS WHY
Should I get a thing for +32% Cast Bonus or +1 DD (haven't lost any YET)

[tight basin]

do you have the prophecy done yet

[marble inlet]

Yeah

[tight basin]

take the cast bonus then

[marble inlet]

I have the entire table done lol

[tight basin]

no point in extra DDs if you haven't used any

[marble inlet]

True

[tight basin]

the only time you'd take the DD is if it's high heat tbh

but also

[marble inlet]

My brain literally just went "Ooh shiny" xD

[tight basin]

cast damage is more survivability indirectly lol

[marble inlet]

... true

[tight basin]

like 75% of the time rarity doesn't matter unless it's chaos, hermes, doom, or aphrodite attack

and i think like majority of the duos suck

and legendaries kinda just hardly happen lmao

[marble inlet]

Kool

AAAAA

I've lost all 3 DD in the stupid Butterfly Ball room

Screw shieldbearers

[tight basin]

based

[marble inlet]

I have 67 health going into Heros

...

I died in 15 seconds

💀

Heck off Theseus

[tight basin]

It do be like that sometimes

[tight basin]

just curious, do you have summons yet

[marble inlet]

Yeah. I used it

[tight basin]

which one

[marble inlet]

Meg

[tight basin]

did you use it at the start?

[marble inlet]

Mhm

[vagrant crane]

did it hit

[tight basin]

should've been pretty easy kill then

3 casts should've at least done 75% to butterfly ball hp

how'd you approach the room?

[marble inlet]

Yea

I had the Perk thing activated on Heat so it had extra armor

[tight basin]

ah

and this is why we don't run calisthenics program

[marble inlet]

I didn't lil

[tight basin]

well that still shouldn't have been too big of a deal i dont think

[marble inlet]

Lol

[tight basin]

oh

beneift packages?

that doesn't effect butterfly ball room

that doesn't add extra armor, it adds random effects to some armored enemies
and it'll have an icon next to their hp bar

[vagrant crane]

bruiser

[tight basin]

sometimes it is extra armor, but butterfly ball never has bp effects

[tight basin]

well bp doesn't automatically mean extra armor/hp

that's one of the effects but not every bp run will have that

[vagrant crane]

every one of my bp runs gets a million bruiser thugs

[tight basin]

skill issue

i forgot where and who i heard it from but the game chooses 2 bp perks to not show up during the run

[vagrant crane]

someone make me not be allowed to get teleport or bruiser

teleport numbskulls are fire but the rest suck

[tight basin]

which is decided before the run starts or something and that's why the eris route shoots a few bullets at skelly before the run starts?

[vagrant crane]

eh bruiser or popper

[tight basin]

something like that

[vagrant crane]

poppers suck

[tight basin]

true

[steady walrus]

talos is fun, apparently its bad tho but I can’t unlock any other aspect or upgrade anything without blood (only just reached dad once) so lol, what are the general tips

Dio atk is what I saw, Poseidon for memery?

[vagrant crane]

ares attack

athena special and dash

merciful end duo

[steady walrus]

Cool

[vagrant crane]

dash into enemies

[steady walrus]

Is Aphro Cast decent since I’m in close or

[vagrant crane]

no because it opens curse of longing

[steady walrus]

aah

[tight basin]

If you want a secondary duo, deadly reversal is best

But only try for that once you get merciful end

[fallow lantern]

What does Delta Chamber do to Hestia?

[lean hornet]

I think nothing for the power shot

But works fine for normal?

Dunno

Never used

[acoustic skiff]

you can reload manually

so no effect on hestia

[fallow lantern]

Will do Rama next
What's fun?

[warm snow]

a beefy % attack

[round umbra]

It might give you extra I frames I thought

[round umbra]

Flat damage on special, good percentage boost on attack. Pretty low maintenance tbh. Just takes some time to get used to the wind up

[warm snow]

Zeus is by far the best on special though

[fallow lantern]

Whoops. I had a choice between zeus and dionysus and thought dio would be better

Aphro attack and art call. I like dio's duos with them more

[fallow lantern]

lol. Hammer choice between chain shot, twin shot or triple shot

Wait. Sharanga already pierces foes. What does chain shot do? Just redirection?

[warm snow]

twin

triple is better but much harder to use

chain can be detrimental

[fallow lantern]

I see. I wanted to find out what it does

whoops

[warm snow]

oh well

basically

it kinda ruins lineups

anyways
twin and triple shot on top
with point-blank/perfect shot as secondaries

[sullen latch]

chain basicaly auto aims from one enemy to another close one

[fallow lantern]

Also looked like it couldn' hit more than 3 things

[sullen latch]

mhm

i think its a fine hammer generaly..... not compared to twin and tripple tho

[tight basin]

Chain rama isn't bad for second hammer imo

[marble ridge]

What's a good starting god for Rama?

[lucid oar]

Zeus is solid

[vagrant crane]

also aph

[marble ridge]

Using Flood Beo rn and I just ran into Zeus. Should I choose Aid, Vengeance, or Reflexes?

Wait nvm it's kind of obvious that I should do aid right?

[proper furnace]

Does aid open sea storm

[marble ridge]

Wait it might damn

[proper furnace]

Calls outside of sygil of the dad don't matter much

Cuz your call charging is awful

[marble ridge]

Welp

[tight basin]

i'd take vengeance

zeus is pretty bad for beo

[marble ridge]

Too late

[tight basin]

oh lmao

could sel it

[marble ridge]

True

God Cyclopes are annoying with Beo

Yup I got locked into Sea Storm

Brb gonna go stand in lava

[tight basin]

lmfao

[marble ridge]

I even got CS in Tart

But I'm just kinda stupid lmao

[proper furnace]

Is this zooming or just a random run

[tight basin]

i mean it's fine

[marble ridge]

Just casual runs

[tight basin]

you can just work with it

sea storm isn't bad

just take it to get it out of the duo pool

[proper furnace]

No reason to step in lava then

[tight basin]

then sell aid on the next possible chance

[marble ridge]

Again, too late for that ajjsksakkdjd

Alright new run. Already have FFlare, so do I choose between Drunken Flourish, Drunken Dash, or After Party?

My gut says to go with AP but after the fiasco from last time idk

[vagrant crane]

always after party

[tight basin]

on the other hand

[vagrant crane]

drunken flourish and nasty dash open exclusive access

which u don’t want

and are also pommable

[tight basin]

take drunken flourish, get exclusive access, and then sell drunken flourish lmao

[vagrant crane]

and nasty dash steals your fiery

[tight basin]

what chamber is this btw

[marble ridge]

Nasty Dash

[marble ridge]

Tart

[tight basin]

chamber number

[marble ridge]

5? Idk I wasn't keeping count

[tight basin]

hit the boon info button

b on kbm

[marble ridge]

I'm on Switch

[tight basin]

uh idk

find the control in the pause menu lmao

you can see what boons you have

on some button

[marble ridge]

Ok I got it in Chamber Six

[tight basin]

if you want to play it safe you can take after party, if you want high roll then drunken flourish

ideally you'd like

get exclusive access out of tartarus lmao

if you dont then just sell the flourish

[marble ridge]

I got AP

Ok it's Dio again. Do I get Flourish, Dash, or Outlook?

[tight basin]

if you took drunken flourish the first time you could've gotten exclusive access probably outlook

[vagrant crane]

positive outlook

[marble ridge]

Now do I go for shop or Demeter?

[tight basin]

shop

just get artemis easy

[marble ridge]

It's Aphro

[tight basin]

unfortunate

[marble ridge]

And also a darkness and a Hammer that I can't afford

Tho I can steal

But idk if I can beat Charon rn

[tight basin]

you can if you want lmao but probably better to not

[marble ridge]

I just got the darkness for some healing

[tight basin]

dark regen is certainly a choice

[marble ridge]

Is it not worth?

[tight basin]

not really

consistent healing is better

esp considering dark foresight means you're seeing less darkness per run

[marble ridge]

Ok I got Athena from the random boon at this shop. Do I get Aid or Bronze Skin?

[proper furnace]

Also useless on styx unless you luck out into charon wells

[vagrant crane]

bromnzw

[marble ridge]

I wish buying darkness/keys from shops gave you the same bonus as when they're won from rooms

[tight basin]

they're technically not room rewards lmao

50 gold for a reroll would be pretty busted tho

[marble ridge]

Fair

Alright. Do I get a Pom, a Heart, or Hermes?

[tight basin]

tartarus end shop?

what level is your flare and how much gold do you have?

[marble ridge]

Nope I'm in Asphodel

[tight basin]

ah

what level flare tho

[marble ridge]

4

[tight basin]

hermes

4 is decent enough

[marble ridge]

Do I get Side Hustle, Recovery, or Evasion?

Hustle and Evasion are Rare and Recovery is Epic

[vagrant crane]

rol

[marble ridge]

Now it's just replaced Evasion with Flourish

[proper furnace]

Hermes moment

[marble ridge]

Real

I'm gonna get Hustle

Ok finally got Artemis. Do I do Flourish, Aid, or Points?

Or reroll

Crap I accidentally hit Flourish

[vagrant crane]

flourish is fine

[marble ridge]

PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE ATHENA I DONT WANT YOU

[tight basin]

Free ddash at least

[marble ridge]

Already have it

I have to choose between Strike, Flourish, and Flash

[tight basin]

Sure footing lmao

Oh

Flash

Won't open duos

[marble ridge]

Homegirl is stalking me

Ok Lernie is dead. What should I switch my keepsake to?

Actually I'm just gonna do Shackle since I don't have a Strike yet

[vagrant crane]

dont

on beo?

dont do that

take hourglass

[marble ridge]

Welp too late

I'm not very good at this game am I

[proper furnace]

Not the end of the world anyways

You'll learn/memorize with more runs

[marble ridge]

I did get MShot

[strange lark]

if this is beo then minotaur shot does nothing

[tight basin]

Might've been mirage shot lmao

[vagrant crane]

minotaur rush lol

[strange lark]

oh

i forgor 💀

[eager flint]

It's ok, it's not it is the most important boon on a well known aspect

[marble ridge]

Ironically I also got Minotaur Shot lmao

But I did win

[analog mauve]

for me do you get athena or ares first

[tight basin]

Start ares so you can get poms on it early

And guarantee a good rarity on it

[analog mauve]

even if. istart athena i cant get more than 2 boons from her the entire run

[worn solar]

well 2 is all you need

[analog mauve]

not if its holy shield and bronze skin

[worn solar]

like if you start ares attack and dont get any other cores your first athena boon is over a 2/3 chance to offer either flourish or ddash, if you find a zeus cast its basically 100%

[analog mauve]

alright

[marble ridge]

Gonna try a Pos Blade run. Should I go for Hunting Blades or Exit Wounds?

[proper furnace]

Phalanx shot and pick lightning phalanx for AoE

Exit wounds isn't really a build but more of a "it'll probably do something on bosses"

[marble ridge]

Gotcha

What's the benefits of Phalanx?

[proper furnace]

AoE, big deflect hitbox, 3rd highest dmg from the casts

Trippy has its own issues and aphro works but can be somewhat weird due to the short range

Ig you could play hunting blades
But at that point just play achilles spear instead

[analog mauve]

do i run authority over persuasion?

[proper furnace]

No

[analog mauve]

ive had like

[marble ridge]

What should I get from Zeus, Flourish Dash or Reflexes?

[analog mauve]

5 runs in a row with only 1 athena boon until styx

[proper furnace]

Unless you want to meme like "highest pom amount" "highest gold"

[proper furnace]

Are you filling your god pool

[analog mauve]

selling doesnt remove them right

[proper furnace]

Right

[analog mauve]

then i am

[proper furnace]

I'm sorry your luck sucks

[analog mauve]

damn

[proper furnace]

Trying other builds can give you a breath ig

[proper furnace]

Is this pos sword

[analog mauve]

yeah maybe some lightning peew pew

[marble ridge]

Yup

[proper furnace]

Prob flourish or dash to have the duo open

Ideally it would be from call but no problem

[marble ridge]

Also when you talked about Phalanx's bug hitbox, what did you mean?

[proper furnace]

Typo

It was big

[marble ridge]

Ah

Flurry, Double Edge, or Double Nova?

[proper furnace]

Double edge

Helps finishing off enemies

[marble ridge]

Oh no it's Alecto

[marble inlet]

Does anyone have the Achilles spear guide

[marble inlet]

Good luck lol

[marble ridge]

Wait she's actually easy with PShot

(Phalanx Shot)

[proper furnace]

All the furies get meme'd on with deflect tbh

[marble inlet]

True

[marble ridge]

So do I go with Signet into Asph

[proper furnace]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ntEWKM0AN6UluJaFSM3V9_Q4zxKTDI79Ieajgc2iTqE/edit

Is there (ty jazz)

[proper furnace]

If you don't have the duo yet then yeah

[vagrant crane]

u only gotta link this for weird stuff rlly

the more standard things are in compendium

[proper furnace]

It was the fastest link I wanted to grab

[vagrant crane]

gg

[proper furnace]

Discord search moment

[marble ridge]

Aight I got LP

Do I get Zeus Aid?

[vagrant crane]

good enough

[marble ridge]

It's that, Dash, or Double Strike

Ok, do I go for Wave, World Splitter, or it my username?

My guts say Wave but Cursed Slash is so funny

[proper furnace]

Wave yeah

Unless you wanna be funny

[marble ridge]

Yeah I did Wave

Cslash is so fun tho

Oh nice finally got DDash

That sucks tbh

Yesss I got Athena's Lego

[marble inlet]

I'm doing max whatever the Heat is that prevents healing (so 0% health back from everything) and I made it all the way to like 3 chambers before the Heroes without losing a DD

[vagrant crane]

use stubborn defiance with lc4

[marble ridge]

Wait you can still attack when Zeus is out spinning?

[marble inlet]

Yup!

[marble ridge]

This is actually maybe my new favorite aspect

[fading totem]

My new favorite aspect is ||Guan Yu||

Especially getting good hammers, like wider area spin and quicker spin

That's like the best room clear speed I've ever seen

[vagrant crane]

best hammer by far is charged skewer

[marble ridge]

Kid named Piercing Shot

[vagrant crane]

oh boy can’t wait to get piercing shot on guan yu

[marble ridge]

I thought you meant in general

[fading totem]

Quick spin/massive spin is my favorite

I tried special build twice on ||Guan Yu|| and didn't get any good hammers

[eager flint]

charging spin is kinda meh

[tight basin]

You kinda need charged skewer for it to be good

Weird bow/hestia is good

[fading totem]

With skelly companion and quick/massive spin, I killed heroes in less than 30sec

[vagrant crane]

skelly companion

[fading totem]

Only one I have aight

Lemme alone

[outer sonnet]

Thats great

You can do it faster with most other builds!

[vagrant crane]

dawg why are you always out here insulting people

[wary adder]

you do it aswell just more passively

[outer sonnet]

REAL

[vagrant crane]

idkman

[outer sonnet]

W HAMIE

[outer sonnet]

at least im honest

You are just passive aggressive

[wary adder]

ayo chill

not in my #h1-builds-and-combat

[outer sonnet]

🤷‍♂️

[wary adder]

i guess this is combat

[outer sonnet]

😎

[outer sonnet]

Answer. My. Question.

[vagrant crane]

?

[outer sonnet]

#h1-story-discussion

[wary adder]

its muted by most

[vagrant crane]

there is no [#h1-story-discussion](/guild/456889434672201729/channel/521035166471159828/)

[outer sonnet]

What

Damn

[wary adder]

story discussion channel

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1144406090398834789/image.png

[wary adder]

based

[outer sonnet]

Are you hot

[wary adder]

[vagrant crane]

[outer sonnet]

Is that you

[fading totem]

@outer sonnet it was my first sub20 run, so

[outer sonnet]

?

[fading totem]

^^

[outer sonnet]

Oh

Nice 👍

[errant narwhal]

please refrain from personally bothering other server members with such questions, it’s completely out of place and unreasonable to say that to someone you don’t know

[outer sonnet]

🫣 wasnt me

[fading totem]

Whodunit

[outer sonnet]

It was waldo

[fading totem]

You know why Waldo wears stripes?

[outer sonnet]

Hes a criminal?

[fading totem]

So he's not spotted

[outer sonnet]

bruu

[wary adder]

perish

[fading totem]

LMAO

[outer sonnet]

Hiding right now!

Help alma find him!

[wary adder]

what

[outer sonnet]

Hold up

[wary adder]

hes lost the plot

[outer sonnet]

Dang

Nvm I guess

Hol up

He got away 😩

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2011/11/12/19/48-Where's-Wally-WALKER-BOOKS.jpg?width=1200

Yo

Hes here somewhere

Alma we got a lead on the culprit

You gotta find him

[wary adder]

you got issues man

[outer sonnet]

Sorry

Im bout to get an essay

😔

[errant narwhal]

I was not joking nor am I in a joking mood, and I meant what I said

[analog mauve]

tooth or acorn for em4

[vagrant crane]

depends

you dont run hl5 right

[outer sonnet]

Id go tooth but what do I know 😔

[vagrant crane]

usually still gonna be acorn

[analog mauve]

im currently on hl3

[vagrant crane]

but u can tooth if ur worried about bball

[wary adder]

bballs might burn away your acorn but its better most of the time

[analog mauve]

alright

[vagrant crane]

acorn loses a little value on lower hl levels

are you on dds

[analog mauve]

sd

[vagrant crane]

sd em4

what heat

[analog mauve]

45

[vagrant crane]

em4 45?

[analog mauve]

45.0

[wary adder]

ive never done em4 at high heat and ive done 50

i just avoided it

[vagrant crane]

neither have i

on 54 i didnt

[analog mauve]

i thought i could just do the 40 pact with em4 and another js

and cross fingers for clockets

[wary adder]

em4 is much harder than its worth

[marble inlet]

I have one DD left and like half health

Praying I don't screw this up

[wary adder]

gl

[marble inlet]

I DID IT

[analog mauve]

lmao ok i wont take em4 again

[vagrant crane]

Call Charge

Aside from boons like Quick Favor and Smoldering Air, your Call charges every time you receive or deal damage, with the following formulae:

Dealing Damage

The value your Call gauge is charged when you deal damage follows these steps per instance of damage on an enemy by Zagreus:

1. Is damage dealt ≤ 60? If so, carry damage value forward. Otherwise, value = 60 + sqrt(damage - 60)
2. The value from step 1 is multiplied by 1%, and then by 1 + Clouded Judgment bonus, if you have it. The final value is the % of the call gauge charged. This scales with the square root function, as such for example damage (no Clouded Judgment):

10 damage - 0.1% gauge
50 damage - 0.5% gauge
100 damage - 0.66% gauge
300 damage - 0.75% gauge
500 damage - 0.81% gauge
750 damage - 0.86% gauge
2000 damage - 1.04% gauge

So you can see how sharply the call charge falls off with damage past 100 per hit.

Taking Damage

The base value your Call gauge is charged when you get hit is 60% * (Damage Taken / Max HP). If you had 100 HP, and you took a 100 HP hit, your call would gain 60% charge. Overkill damage counts in this case. If you had 1 HP, and took a 100 HP hit, your call would still gain 60% charge. This value is then multiplied additionally by Clouded Judgment and Boiling Point bonuses, if you have those boons. They are additive, so if you had a 40% boiling point and a 10% clouded judgment, that is a 50% multiplier, so the 100 HP hit with 100 max HP would charge your call gauge 90% from that hit.

Additional Notes

• Call charge will not take place while the call is active. You can tell the call is "active" because the bar is still draining.
• Hunter's Instinct is a flat call charge per crit, as it says on the tin. There appears to be a 0.5second cooldown on its activation, however.

[analog mauve]

should send that as a text file

[wary adder]

yeah pretty much works how i thought it did

so keeping your max hp low is optimal because you get more gauge charge when you get hit

[marble inlet]

Wha

Huh

Weird but also cool

[wary adder]

im joking

kinda

[vagrant crane]

keeping it low is optimal because easier to get hc back up

[wary adder]

yeah

also do all the gauge boons like boiling point and hunters instinct suck as much as i think they do

other thqn clouded judgement

[vagrant crane]

boiling point is good

[wary adder]

interesting

[vagrant crane]

clouded judgment and hunters instinct arent

[wary adder]

oh really

[vagrant crane]

clouded judgement is just too small

[marble inlet]

Hunters Instinct was what I got on my latest run. Somehow did the job enough.

[wary adder]

whats the % on cj again?

[vagrant crane]

its like 10

[wary adder]

i thought it was like 20

[marble inlet]

Oof

[wary adder]

nvm then

bp is like 50 right

[vagrant crane]

yea

its pretty poggers

[marble inlet]

I think Epic BP is like 60%

Which is goated

[wary adder]

i didnt realise just how much gauge you get from taking damage

[marble inlet]

Unrelated but I'm reading the Hestia guide, what on earth is Benefits Package "propaganda"

[wary adder]

ah

well running bp is supposed to be faster on paper but it isnt most of the time or something like that

[marble inlet]

Ah

[tight basin]

Enemies with bp perks spawn earlier/faster

But some BP perks kinda suck and slow you down so you kinda have to high roll it

[vagrant crane]

its more the less waves

[vagrant crane]

its not rlly supposed to be fastr on averag

its supposed to be a highroll

which is why the route uses it

[wary adder]

right

[vagrant crane]

but like

one of the reasons you cant highroll is that its so hard to just understand and see "well i should reset and my bp perks were bad"

the other is just that

it sucks

you might get an extra few 1wavers in tart or something

but the bruisers are so ass

or whatever they are

that have more hp

bp is just super ass even bp1

[wary adder]

are they weighted heavier than normal armoureds

[vagrant crane]

not that i can see because you can get 3 extra hp/armor thugs in c2 with 1 per wave

[wary adder]

mm

yum

[vagrant crane]

its so much harder to get a good tart exit on 32 because of bp

[wary adder]

elysium poppers

whoops

[vagrant crane]

matters less in ely on beo cause u have damage to deal with bad perks other than poppers yea

[marble inlet]

Ohh

[vagrant crane]

but ely has its own set of problems

[wary adder]

c34

[vagrant crane]

ive had several fire paces ruined by 33+34

[tight basin]

C27-34 imo

[wary adder]

real

[marble inlet]

Than popping up annoys me

[wary adder]

can patty spawn c34?

[vagrant crane]

yes

its pog

[wary adder]

i always get him c33

sad

[tight basin]

C33 patty isn't too bad

[wary adder]

still good i guess

yeah

[marble inlet]

Sometimes if I'm on a Pos run it'll literally waste ALL of my Hydraulic Might thing (10 seconds of bonus power lol)

[vagrant crane]

in my old pb i had nearly complete ely skip except instead of fountain 34 i had 30s of blue men 34

[wary adder]

yay

[vagrant crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1131091536579395676/image.png?width=1289&height=701

[wary adder]

than is good for speedrunning igt because it pauses the timer

[marble inlet]

Wha

[wary adder]

yeah

[marble inlet]

Wait it does? Huh

[wary adder]

so do the timed survival rooms in tart

[vagrant crane]

losing those sucks too

[wary adder]

also theres this one room in tart where than just cannot stop moving amd ends up wandering about for 15 seconds before he drops the heart

than with no menu and just watching him struggle shortens my lifespan

[vagrant crane]

ngl i just reset any tart than unless its sub135 exit pace

[wary adder]

i have literally gotten that once ever

[marble ridge]

I had that in a casual run once and laughed my ass off

[wary adder]

he stumblin

[vagrant crane]

its the banana shaped one right

[marble ridge]

Bro is absolutely lost in the sauce

[wary adder]

no actually

[vagrant crane]

well he also does it in that one

[wary adder]

its kind of like an 8

[vagrant crane]

the long skinny one that sucks?

where everything spawns on either side of you?

[wary adder]

uh not the one with square pits

[vagrant crane]

2exit?

[wary adder]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

long rectangle right

[wary adder]

uh

[vagrant crane]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/JSepgTB7Qk4m9buRc5T-NadIq_pz3WOM3fXxLe7U4xghy5Ewt3FJYM5kdFfGBby_eROIYLJ0bPwPkTd57ji4GJidtViHd3_vDHyz_q4DoMNSvyBKXFTdqI5CkF8FRBY8MS-ZDLfGd_naSATWbOzDpw

?

[wary adder]

nah

im thinking of the one with columns and spike traps but no pits

is that the bigp spawn manip guide

why do you have such fast access to that

[marble ridge]

This is like Akinator but for Hades rooms

[vagrant crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6NaU9v1-raeibkl4jBOxsYyBGfwq6w9g-HvOkzEXFM9RaxKP9TSE1ZioMmR4p-taL-sQjFbcqOe2A/pub#h.xos9p9bu3jfx

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1144418033767567442/image.png

[wary adder]

Acombat 16

[marble ridge]

Oh my god

[vagrant crane]

hes fine in that one

[wary adder]

bro

[wary adder]

[tight basin]

Jazz has it all in a Google doc too lol

[marble ridge]

I think Jazz likes this game

[wary adder]

is that sorted at all

[vagrant crane]

stand right below top triangle

[wary adder]

wait where you stand can affect than?

[tight basin]

You use it enough times you kinda just memorize where's what

[tight basin]

Yeah

[vagrant crane]

[wary adder]

[marble ridge]

Live Bouldy Reaction

[wary adder]

im not hardcore speedrunning but like

bruh

i cant be bothered to learn spawn manipd either i just do whatever i feel like and its fine most of the time

[tight basin]

Standing in corners is 95% of spawn manips

[vagrant crane]

good enough for sub6

[marble ridge]

Crazy that people speedrun this game. I can barely stay alive in it

[tight basin]

The than locations you kinda just stay near the exit

[wary adder]

right yeah thats what ive been doing anyway

[vagrant crane]

do you drag him up in nonmenus

[tight basin]

You kinda want to just stay there he whole time

[wary adder]

wdym

[tight basin]

I'd assume kill bottom enemies and let than stay at the top

Or near the exit

[vagrant crane]

it's easier to drag the enemies up

[tight basin]

So than drops the heart asap?

[vagrant crane]

because when you kill the enemies at the bottom you're also at the bottom

so the enemies spawn in the wrong place

[tight basin]

True

[wary adder]

interesting

[tight basin]

Idk just don't get non menu than

[vagrant crane]

TRUE\

[wary adder]

most of the time i dont even get than

[tight basin]

Menu than is the reason why dark foresight is better

[wary adder]

the only reason

[tight basin]

Yes

[wary adder]

sounds about right

you get some filler boons most of the time anyway

just get the right ones

[marble inlet]

WTH

[wary adder]

oop

[marble inlet]

I'm playing Hestia and I get Delta Chamber, Spread Fire, and Hazard Bomb on a Hammer

[vagrant crane]

hazard

[wary adder]

hazard

[marble inlet]

Ok

[tight basin]

Spread fire time

[wary adder]

waa

i hate spread fire

[vagrant crane]

bigp style

[marble inlet]

DEAR GOD THAT RADIUS

[wary adder]

cant tell how far it goes

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[marble inlet]

Yea it wasn't kidding when it was +300%

[tight basin]

You should stand in it it'll be fun

[vagrant crane]

[wary adder]

hazard bomb is just a thanatos circle really

[tight basin]

It really is

[wary adder]

i wish than could teamkill zag thatd be so funny

[neat rock]

hey folks

how's this build

https://i.clouds.tf/xk7w/sdtb.png

new player just saying :p

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1144420596181114931/image.png

[wary adder]

pretty neat

[vagrant crane]

good enough

can u lend me one of those

[lucid oar]

Poms are a bit all over the place but looks good

[wary adder]

orang

[marble ridge]

Yeah solid build

[neat rock]

sweet

[strange lark]

no bouldy boon 0/10

[neat rock]

😭

[wary adder]

lack of ambiguity bonus

[marble inlet]

Real

[worn solar]

where jolted poms

[wary adder]

i ate them

[worn solar]

were they tasty

[wary adder]

scrumptious

@hexed blaze you probably only want to use the special on achilles for resetting the buff btw

[hexed blaze]

otay

[wary adder]

otay

the more i look at it the weirder it gets

[hexed blaze]

its funner to think of when i see it

[wary adder]

ogey

[hexed blaze]

no