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vagrant crane Jul 3, 2023, 2:13 AM

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and also do no damage so you want at least one decent hermes

wintry portal Jul 3, 2023, 2:13 AM

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Oooh
Weeeell heeeelll

novel surge Jul 3, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Oh yeah dash is great. I never use the special for any weapon haha

quick rampart Jul 3, 2023, 9:18 PM

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Question: if you get a death defiance boons after you’ve die does the affect still take place?

tight basin Jul 3, 2023, 9:18 PM

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wdym

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like the athena refill?

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if you have 2/3 death defiances and you pick up one of her boons, then you'll have 3/3

quick rampart Jul 3, 2023, 9:20 PM

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I can send the pic 😫

tight basin Jul 3, 2023, 9:20 PM

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send the image link

quick rampart Jul 3, 2023, 9:20 PM

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I’m watching a video on YouTube

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I’ll just DM you

round umbra Jul 3, 2023, 11:49 PM

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Wait why?

wary adder Jul 3, 2023, 11:51 PM

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my guess is that it only affects standing strikes and youre not going to want to do that very often with bow

round umbra Jul 3, 2023, 11:52 PM

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Oh does it? Wacky

proper furnace Jul 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

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yeah only standing strikes

round umbra Jul 4, 2023, 12:00 AM

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Good to know

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 12:13 AM

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Yeah exactly that

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:10 AM

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Question:
Do you folks think I not-that-good of a player can get a sub10 with shield using an aspect other than beowolf?

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I dont really have a good idea of how good the others are for speeds, and looking at god-level players arent really a good guide for what I can do, as we already said here

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:18 AM

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ngl

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no not really lmao

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non-beo shields kinda just suck for speed

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and they all want charged shot anyways

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zeus is an exception

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but zeus isn't particularly fast either

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and if you're aiming for cshot might as well go beo

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zag shield isn't that bad for speed actually but you still need cshot lol

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:22 AM

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Thanks, I'm having a tough time doing speeds with beo, it is my least fav shield
I do ok at 32heat, but actually running with it, I just mess up everything, was wondering if I HAD to learn it for a sub10

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but its ok, I still have fun with beo

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:23 AM

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for beo you want to dash strike into the dragon rushes

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you start the charge much faster that way

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and as you go through the run, learn breakpoints like "this enemy needs 1 cast, this needs 2, etc"

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and you generally always want to use 2 casts in the first volley and 1 cast in the second

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:24 AM

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I watched duunk0 guide btw
its 1yo strats not that helpfull by now?

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:25 AM

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ngl i haven't watched that so idrk

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or at least i dont remember

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did he do the meg guide?

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/edit

Google Docs

Beowulf Speedrunning Guide

Beowulf Speedrunning Guide by PaperTronics Table of Contents Foreword Gameplay Boons Mirage Shot Casts Chaos Hermes Setup Mirror Keepsakes Pact of Punishment Hammers Charged Shot Other Hammers Charon Well Items Main Items Other Items Boss Fights Furies Lernie Heroes Ha...

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Beowulf Boon Guide

Optimizing Beowulf Mirage Shot Odds/ Pom Efficiency by Kirrby This guide assumes you started with Flood Flare and that you have an intermediate amount of knowledge on speedrunning the game. For a more beginner guide on Beowulf, check out PaperTronic’s Beowulf Guide. Highlighted boons should be...

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 AM

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in that video, yeah
also, he said those things you just said now

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 AM

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beowulf speedrunning resources

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:26 AM

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wintry portal in that video, yeah also, he said those things you just said now

iirc the meg line ups all work fine except the witches

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 AM

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thanks! zaggrin

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 AM

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the witches are just out of date, the new way is much better

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i've never done it the old way so idk if it's consistent or not

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if you find the old way more consistent it's probably fine

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 2:27 AM

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3witch setup is iirc way jankier

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i used to use it for some reason

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missed it all the time

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:28 AM

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lmao alright never use that then

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 2:30 AM

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is the new way the one in the 32heat guide?

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cuz I only know that start lol

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 2:30 AM

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yeah

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"new" as in like idk

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prob a few years i think?

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at least 1

quick rampart Jul 4, 2023, 3:20 AM

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Who wants to VC and chat about the game? I want learn more from others.

waxen creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:34 AM

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How do you make sure to stay on target while spamming dash strike? I often end up shooting past them on controller w/ auto aim

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Like last run, I got 3+ dashes from Hermes and Double Edge on Nemmy but it felt like I was hanging by the seat of my pants trying to hit anything when spamming dash strikes

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 6:38 AM

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one solution is to not always use all 5 dashes at a time if you are doing that lmao

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the other is dash strike back and forward

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idk how easy that is on controller tho

fleet glacier Jul 4, 2023, 6:51 AM

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how do i guarantee cluster rockets on switch?

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 AM

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You can't without mods

valid dagger Jul 4, 2023, 7:09 AM

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Nemesis dash striking is pretty hard

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Takes quite a lot of practice so it’s normal that you’re missing some

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 7:29 AM

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just hit rd instead

polar needle Jul 4, 2023, 11:21 AM

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any funny builds for today?

lucid oar Jul 4, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Aspect of Poseidon with Poseidon attack, Athena special and ares cast

opal sand Jul 4, 2023, 3:48 PM

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whats the best sword for clearing quickly

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nemesis?

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or arthur?

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Nem

elder drift Jul 4, 2023, 4:21 PM

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opal sand nemesis?

best sword, period.

elder drift Jul 4, 2023, 4:21 PM

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opal sand or arthur?

worst sword, period.

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I know Arthurians will come to my house and burn it down, but that's okay.

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 4:23 PM

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I mean
Depends on the context my answer lol

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If they just wanted a win I'd say use pos/arthur to avoid playing sword

round umbra Jul 4, 2023, 4:48 PM

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proper furnace If they just wanted a win I'd say use pos/arthur to avoid playing sword

Hey, that's why I use Pos for all my sword needs.

jagged igloo Jul 4, 2023, 4:56 PM

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What is in your opinion the best weapon? (Including aspect)

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

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Beo shield

round umbra Jul 4, 2023, 5:00 PM

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Rama atm

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Achilles spear usually, probably

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 5:10 PM

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jagged igloo What is in your opinion the best weapon? (Including aspect)

Nemesis

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 5:20 PM

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Beowulf funny boom button

dull smelt Jul 4, 2023, 6:26 PM

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I just got the serrated point on zagreus spear and im wondering what attack boon goes the best now that all i do is dash attack

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 6:29 PM

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aphrodite probably

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artemis probably has a case but it's just hitting more and doesn't have increased damage, so not entirely sure

dull smelt Jul 4, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I have the option for artemis right now, it is rare, should I just take it?

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:32 PM

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aprho atak + artemis dash
go try for duo
is what I love about serrated point

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Where are you getting your crits from

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:32 PM

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big pp

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:33 PM

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ron

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:33 PM

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wintry portal aprho atak + artemis dash go try for duo is what I love about serrated point

+Preasure points*

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:33 PM

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proper furnace <:ron:459075377906712586>

I know, I know
my builds make people speechless bouldy

dull smelt Jul 4, 2023, 6:33 PM

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I took artemis dash and ill hope to get aphrodites attack later

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:34 PM

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You can't even get heart rend with those boons

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Hunter dash doesn't open it

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:41 PM

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Yeah, right 😅
you gotta also take artemis cast or special to get the duo
wish it worked with the dash or call zagsad

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I love artemis call

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Is it just me or do crit builds slap on basically every weapon?

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Weapon named non hestia rails

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Or no spread fire

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:45 PM

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well, triple dmg is good lol
I would say rail, but it has hestia

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Fists don't benefit much either

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:45 PM

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I run eris rails and crit slaps even. And fists hot fast and often, so crit=big dmg

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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I think its ok on fists, if your not trying for high heat

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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A fist crit is 45 dmg base

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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With crit fists, I beat the run with no death defiances used.

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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A bit more cuz of artemis % ofc

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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Demeter fists specifically

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:46 PM

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I was surprised with the dmg fist dealt with arty, I was on 20 heat btw, fighting learnie

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DEFINITLY not optmal tho

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:47 PM

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Oh lawd. I'm not confident enough to do more than 5 heat lol

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:47 PM

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green axle Demeter fists specifically

Oh yeah if you are building solely on the special sure then

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Crit attack can work on like talos + heavy knuckle ig

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:47 PM

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wintry portal I think its ok on fists, if your not trying for high heat

And yeah

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This is true for lots of things

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~~doesn't make some things less awful to play~~

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Like I've seen someone win with rama special only

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But with artemis special

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:50 PM

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Rama special?

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:50 PM

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4th aspect of the bow

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:50 PM

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OH!

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:50 PM

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Short description
3-4 arrows that do 5 dmg

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:50 PM

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btw, I tried yoyo build once, I got some hahas watching the enemies fly, a lout jumped more than a whole screen lol
but, its really had no dmg in ely? or did i mess up the build?

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:51 PM

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Did you have breaking wave?

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Or sea storm + usual zeus stuff

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 PM

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just checked, had breaking wave level 2

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only zeus was lighting strike and jolted lv2

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:52 PM

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Have to exploit that then

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Yoyo will always lack dmg lol

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Shoals helps a ton too

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:54 PM

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I had it too zagcry

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:54 PM

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Satyr tunnels irritate me so bad. The poison is terrible. Is it just one of those mechanics that are just annoying no matter what?

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:54 PM

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so I really have to learn it to have ok dmg, thx lol

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:55 PM

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green axle Satyr tunnels irritate me so bad. The poison is terrible. Is it just one of thos...

At some point I barely care about it

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If you know you are about to clear the room don't bother going to the cure and just kill the enemy

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Unless you mean the poison pools on melee weapons

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Then yeah screw that

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:55 PM

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green axle Satyr tunnels irritate me so bad. The poison is terrible. Is it just one of thos...

well, it gets better with skill
also, at the begginin I used broken spear, it helped alot

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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Easiest way to clear styx is having tidal dash/flood shot + breaking wave

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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I use spear a good bit. Don't see how it's broken per se?

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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The keepsake

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From the npc in ! Room of elysium

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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proper furnace Easiest way to clear styx is having tidal dash/flood shot + breaking wave

That's actually a good idea.

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Right.

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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broken spearpoint, keepsake

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:56 PM

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Also take mini boss rooms first

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They are easier

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By a lot

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:57 PM

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Hm...

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:57 PM

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You only have to deal with one moderately hard enemy on a small room

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Vs 3 waves of common enemies in those giant rooms

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:58 PM

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giant rooms with giant traps and big pool of poison

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 6:58 PM

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Also pause if you get poisoned so you can look for the cure without panic

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 6:58 PM

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traps hit really hard in the beggining, even for veterans can get you ofguard sometimes

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 6:59 PM

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I usually make note of the cures at the beginning of each encounter so I know where they are.

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:00 PM

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But yeah mini boss rooms can be taken easier and faster + if you get the sack there, is a free upgraded reward

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Only issue is getting tony vermin

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 7:01 PM

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Yeah. Tiny vermin scared the living crap out of me the first time I encountered him 😂

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Little homie roared at me

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 7:01 PM

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what do you prefer?
a) fight a 1k small rats
b) fight one big rat

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

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C) one small rat

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

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A

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I'll take A all day

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

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proper furnace C) one small rat

I have terrible news

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

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1k rats will take so long residentzag

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/rats-we-are-the-rats-gif-16022026

Tenor

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not if you took support fire tho
only had to hit less than half of 1k times

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:04 PM

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Still way longer than just nuking one big rat

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(thinking in tight deadline pact)

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 7:05 PM

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passing the chance of seeing 500 pretty arrows 🙄

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:05 PM

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I barely take support fire

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Cuz I haven't played in months

wintry portal Jul 4, 2023, 7:05 PM

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(i keep forgeting how good deadline is for heat zagcry )

green axle Jul 4, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Support fire is great. I have a soft spot for it. Not sure why

proper furnace Jul 4, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Pretty arrows

fleet glacier Jul 4, 2023, 7:26 PM

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what are da odds for clustor rockets if i dont try to change da rng?

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 7:27 PM

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Cluster Rockets Probabilities
Here are all of the independent scenarios. (rounding to save time)

There are 12 hammers. Chance of seeing any one hammer is 3 / 12 = 25%
Chance of seeing rocket AND cluster is 3/12 * 2/11= 4.5%
Chance of seeing ONLY ONE of those hammers =25 - 4.5 = 20.5%

Rocket first, no cluster shown ( 20.5%) * cluster 2nd (30%) =6.15%
Cluster first, no rocket shown (20.5%) * rocket 2nd (33%) = 6.77%

show both, take cluster = Rocket and cluster shown (4.5%) * rocket 2nd (33%) = 1.5%
show both, take rocket = Rocket and cluster shown (4.5%) * cluster 2nd (30%) = 1.35%

Cluster rocket odds (take cluster if both) = 6.15 + 6.77 + 1.5 = 14.42%
Cluster rocket odds (take rocket if both) = 6.15 + 6.77 + 1.35 = 14.27%

A 0.25% chance global difference, so pretty low. In practice when you're shown both it's a 3% difference so definitely take cluster first unless you want to high roll.

BOTTOM LINE: You should be seeing cluster rockets 1 in every 7 runs where you get 2 hammers, on average (14.4%). If you reset until your first hammer is rocket or cluster, then you should see it a little less than 1 in every 3 runs (31.5%)

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courtesy of cgull

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 8:25 PM

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wintry portal what do you prefer? a) fight a 1k small rats b) fight one big rat

big rat 100%

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big rat dont keep spawning

dull smelt Jul 4, 2023, 8:34 PM

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im using chirons aspect, should i take chain shot, perfect shot, or flurry shot for my bow?

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 8:40 PM

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well it depends how ur playing

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but probably jsut flurry

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 8:43 PM

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flurry is the best attack hammer on chiron imo

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if you're just playing it normally

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 8:45 PM

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yea

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but also could be playing it right (bad zagbow)

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 8:55 PM

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"right" bouldy

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:14 PM

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ALRIGHTTT

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I got merciful end after just one reroll

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and like I met the requirements the chamber from before and got me from are from charon

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while having the athena keepsake

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1125897592912494693/20230705001447_1.jpg proof

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:24 PM

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doom special 🗿

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:31 PM

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i guess for the shield it could work for attack too

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but its pretty k

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I just want to unlock gilgamesh already man zagcry

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zagsad

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:32 PM

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bold wadi i guess for the shield it could work for attack too

it's not the best anyways unless you're using zeus shield

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:32 PM

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vagrant crane it's not the best anyways unless you're using zeus shield

maybe

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but more shilds? idk

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I dont even have zeus shield unlocked yet lmao

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:32 PM

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oh chaos aspect is pretty useless

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:32 PM

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bc I focused on chiron, chaos and nem

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:32 PM

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chiron is also pretty not good

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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and slowling maxing out stygius' aspect of zagreus for first companion

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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vagrant crane chiron is also pretty not good

I mean its good single target so I can see why you re saying that

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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well there are things with much better single target

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that arent slow

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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but which ones would you suggest on focusing then?

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 9:33 PM

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bold wadi i guess for the shield it could work for attack too

when you're running ME, you always want doom on the attack unless it's zeus shield

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:34 PM

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tight basin when you're running ME, you always want doom on the attack unless it's zeus shie...

oh alr

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:34 PM

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bold wadi but which ones would you suggest on focusing then?

nem achilles zeus hera(1 point) demeter hestia/eris

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hidden shield if you have it

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:34 PM

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I just though I mainly run doom special with chaos or any shield so me would make it better which ig is still true

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:34 PM

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basically

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on zagshield and chaos the special doesnt do anything useful

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on zeus it's pretty good

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:34 PM

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vagrant crane hidden shield if you have it

I do havent unlocked it (by unlocked I mean bought it) yet

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:35 PM

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on beo you press it once or twice

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:35 PM

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bold wadi I do havent unlocked it (by unlocked I mean bought it) yet

it's the best aspect in the game

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:35 PM

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alright

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and what builds do work for it?

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:36 PM

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start poseidon for flood flare

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get artemis attack

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get poseidon artemis duo mirage shot

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pom flare a lot

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shrimple

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:38 PM

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ook

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1125903710564921475/20230705003849_1.jpg wtf 😭

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should I take the duo boon or binding flash?

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

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duo for prophecy tbh lmao

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

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tight basin duo for prophecy tbh lmao

true

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hm

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alr duo it is

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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vagrant crane start poseidon for flood flare

actually

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I think I wanna try dem tmr

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it might me interesting I think

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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the aspect

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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yes

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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it's pretty good

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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any tips on it?

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:45 PM

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uhhh

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punch punch bam

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do zeus attack

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artemis special

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or aphrodite

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tidal dash or blade dash

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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vagrant crane or aphrodite

maybe aphrodite for priviledged

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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dont use priv status

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less consistent

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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vagrant crane tidal dash or blade dash

ngl I do like zeus dash but idk

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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thunder dash is ok

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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vagrant crane dont use priv status

ook

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

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you just need more zeus boons

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jolted and stuff

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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vagrant crane you just need more zeus boons

yeah jolted the area of lighting and the double lighting or smth

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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you mainly just wanted jolted tbh

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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double strike yea high voltage no

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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i did actually win with aspect of chaos and zeus focused

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:D

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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any other tier 2 zeus boon is just to open up the legendary lmao

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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double strike is pog

bold wadi Jul 4, 2023, 9:47 PM

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#h1-victory-boasting message here

lean hornet Jul 4, 2023, 10:09 PM

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For rail hidden aspect, || is infinite ammo upgrade something to get or avoid ||

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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It's fine tbh

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You lose the ramp up damage tho

lean hornet Jul 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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Yeah

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Which was why I wondered if it was worth it

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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I think you get better odds for triple bomb next hammer if you take that tho

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 10:10 PM

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assuming you have zeus attack it's not like detrimental

lean hornet Jul 4, 2023, 10:11 PM

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tight basin I think you get better odds for triple bomb next hammer if you take that tho

Does it work like that?

vagrant crane Jul 4, 2023, 10:11 PM

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yeah a lot of luci attack hammers lock each other out

tight basin Jul 4, 2023, 10:15 PM

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You lock out conc fire or something idk

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You look out some attack hammer(s)

round umbra Jul 5, 2023, 12:36 AM

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Zeusifer is fun

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 12:55 AM

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How does a rama special gets close to a sub10?

tight basin Jul 5, 2023, 1:00 AM

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Good rooms and boons

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Like all the boons weren't listed there

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Could've been a good Rd rarity

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 1:15 AM

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wintry portal How does a rama special gets close to a sub10?

Sub10 is possible in a lot of circumstances

sudden dock Jul 5, 2023, 1:24 AM

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Anyone got number specifics on how much meter you gain on hit? Just curious

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 1:24 AM

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well, I thought rama special only was not that strong in dmg

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 1:24 AM

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dont need good damage for a sub10

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splits are very lenient, something like 330 530 800 900 1000 would probably work on nodamagecore

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:31 AM

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piercing wave
dash nova
flurry flash

priecing wave is the one that less hurts nemesis, right?
or flurry flash doesnt change anything if Im actually good at dash-strikes?

proper furnace Jul 5, 2023, 3:32 AM

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Piercing wave is best

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Flurry will always make it so after a dash strike you get a standing strike

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No matter how little you hold down the button

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:34 AM

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oooh, thx

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I had to ask, cuz those seem to appear alot for me

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last time I had

dash nova
flurry flash
world splitter

tight basin Jul 5, 2023, 3:35 AM

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Sword hammer moment

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:40 AM

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if by;
end of tart
and not;
[curse of agony epic]
then no;
ME

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?

proper furnace Jul 5, 2023, 3:40 AM

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wintry portal last time I had >dash nova >flurry flash >world splitter

That does sound like sword lmao

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Just replace world splitter for cursed slash

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:42 AM

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I gotta an comum doom and im like
"i wanna ME,,, im I insane?"

tight basin Jul 5, 2023, 3:46 AM

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wintry portal > if by; > end of tart > and not; > [curse of agony epic] > then no; > ME

Well you want to start with doom so you know off the bat whether or not it's a reset lmao

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Wait is this like splash/shackle nemesis?

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:47 AM

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oh no, not again zaglol

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:48 AM

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shackle u can go to ME if you get athena start or epic doom start

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splash theres no reason to ME

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:48 AM

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I forgot about shakcle for speeds
my mind just cant get that into the "speed boons" section ffs

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my bad, folks

tight basin Jul 5, 2023, 3:53 AM

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wintry portal I forgot about shakcle for speeds my mind just cant get that into the "speed boo...

Tbh shackle is only a strat if you're willing to reset for a good god pool

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It's unironically splash nem with extra steps

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For a sub10 I wouldn't do shackle nem

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ME or a crit build would work fine

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And probably more consistent

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Shackle probably more consistent than ME but at least you have hope for a good build rather than maybe not getting it with shackle

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:55 AM

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tight basin It's unironically splash nem with extra steps

yeah, I totally see it

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:56 AM

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tight basin It's unironically splash nem with extra steps

blade dash and hunter dash are also existing things

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:56 AM

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tight basin Shackle probably more consistent than ME but at least you have hope for a good b...

splash crit and shackle only consistent with dedge

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:56 AM

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so, I stay with shackle untill I find a good atak?

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got to ely without finding a atak boon

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:58 AM

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wintry portal so, I stay with shackle untill I find a good atak?

sometimes you can take arty for attack

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 3:59 AM

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and im a no-reset gal, cuz even if I had an early ME, I wont get that much of a time save cuz I still suck lol
also, I like to just play what The Fates give me (doesnt mean I wont try to temper(?) with them tho)

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:59 AM

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if ur on shackle and exiting tart with like sprint and a lunge or just a fat lunge you can do arty

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 3:59 AM

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wintry portal and im a no-reset gal, cuz even if I had an early ME, I wont get that much of a ...

going below like sub8 without ever resetting is not fun

wintry portal Jul 5, 2023, 4:00 AM

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im trying for sub10
Im having fun for now

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actually, you mean "not fun" as rng will keep making you loose the sub8?

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 4:03 AM

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yea

dull smelt Jul 5, 2023, 4:03 AM

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I hear hestia is a better aspect, but compared to others i dont see it. is it because all of them are at their first level and hestia outscales them with level

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 4:04 AM

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compared to what others

dull smelt Jul 5, 2023, 4:04 AM

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other aspects for the rail

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 4:04 AM

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and yea hestia sucks at level 1

dull smelt Jul 5, 2023, 4:04 AM

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alright

vagrant crane Jul 5, 2023, 4:04 AM

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zagrail is definitely worse than eris and hestia

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luci is worse but by less

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and eris and hestia are like equal

dull smelt Jul 5, 2023, 4:05 AM

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thanks bouldy

bold wadi Jul 5, 2023, 9:32 AM

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any tips on an aspect of achilles build? I only have it at lvl 2 tho

frank vessel Jul 5, 2023, 9:54 AM

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elp point blank shot or triple shot?

lucid oar Jul 5, 2023, 10:01 AM

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Triple

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Unless the third option is twin

frank vessel Jul 5, 2023, 10:03 AM

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k

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what do i choose between -10% damage reduction, -10% weakened enemy damage reduction or 20 dash damage

lucid oar Jul 5, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Sweet surrender

frank vessel Jul 5, 2023, 10:10 AM

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i dont have that tho

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its like the enemies that i weaken inflinct -10% damage

quick rampart Jul 5, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Who has info about flat Dmg Vs % Dmg and what ASPECT focus on those type of upgrades?

lucid oar Jul 5, 2023, 3:06 PM

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quick rampart Who has info about flat Dmg Vs % Dmg and what ASPECT focus on those type of upgr...

Check the pins, there’s a general build guide that highlights this

quick rampart Jul 5, 2023, 5:16 PM

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lucid oar Check the pins, there’s a general build guide that highlights this

Thank you! I was looking before asking but I don’t see the specific PIN

proper furnace Jul 5, 2023, 5:38 PM

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quick rampart Thank you! I was looking before asking but I don’t see the specific PIN

One below the valentine day challenge

sick meteor Jul 5, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Just wondering, does anyone like the guan yu aspect or have any good builds for it

lean hornet Jul 5, 2023, 7:51 PM

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Can you get both triple and cluster bomb on rail

proper furnace Jul 5, 2023, 7:52 PM

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No

lean hornet Jul 5, 2023, 7:52 PM

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Aww

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It would have been so fun

proper furnace Jul 5, 2023, 7:53 PM

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Cluster rockets is still the best combo if you can get that

obtuse summit Jul 6, 2023, 9:09 AM

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yeah but if you could get that you could also anvil into triple clockets

round umbra Jul 6, 2023, 2:52 PM

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bold wadi any tips on an aspect of achilles build? I only have it at lvl 2 tho

Cast builds are very fun and good with it. Artemis (esp attack where the crit works well with the damage boost) with crystal beams or slicing shot open up very powerful tracking boons.

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+75% (or +150%) on a cast is pretty noticeable

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Beams is my personal favourite and is really effective against redacted.

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And bosses in general

bold wadi Jul 6, 2023, 2:54 PM

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alright thanks

bold wadi Jul 6, 2023, 2:54 PM

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round umbra Beams is my personal favourite and is really effective against redacted.

ah yes redacteds

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(and I do know what they are bc I can have heat)

round umbra Jul 6, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Oh right I forgot what channel we were in

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Crystal beams is tied for my highest heat lol

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Styg soul, glacial glare

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Beams (and glare if styg soul) scales nicely with poms.

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You do kinda need some chaos or other + casts

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Getting one from chaos is usually pretty doable, and charon boosts are super nice.

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One of the easiest ways to beat em4 imo

bold wadi Jul 6, 2023, 3:06 PM

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oke

jade echo Jul 6, 2023, 5:50 PM

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Real quick, what's the usual build that gets recommended for newcomers that want first clear?

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Dio bow?

vagrant crane Jul 6, 2023, 5:51 PM

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well

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usually it's just fundamentals of whatever weapon they use

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but also the less chiron in the world the better

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if they're at the point of aspects and they want their first clear on bow i would just recommend hera

drowsy saddle Jul 6, 2023, 6:19 PM

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i'd recommend zeus shield since i found it really easy when i was starting out

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you can deal damage while blocking

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can cheese most fights really easily

lean hornet Jul 6, 2023, 9:31 PM

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Don’t use hazard bomb on rail right

lucid oar Jul 6, 2023, 9:32 PM

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It’s not good on eris, but solid on hestia and zagrail

lean hornet Jul 6, 2023, 9:32 PM

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oh well

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Took the bonus ammo and fire speed for zag

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wait wrong keepsake staring over

sage veldt Jul 7, 2023, 5:23 AM

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whenever i have the approval process heat condition all the legendary boons and duo boons always show up and theyre always blacked out TToTT
I needed zeus + dionysus for the prophecy and it showed up 3 times in one run and each time it was crossed out 😔

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:17 AM

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gdi I built an entire run for splitting bolt and didn't get it

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:17 AM

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sage veldt whenever i have the approval process heat condition all the legendary boons and ...

have you considered not using approval process while hunting for duo boons lmao

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:17 AM

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Damage is still off the charts tho, Zeus attack on hestia with no reload hammer, and support fire. Champions took like 15 seconds

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:18 AM

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this is just bad zag rail lmao

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the hestia gimmick is pretty much worthless with how you're building it

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:19 AM

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hmm I mean if u say so

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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well the empowered shot is a base 150 and you're adding like what 15 with lightning strike?

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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oh no hestia

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Mb uh the other one that's not laser beam

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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eris?

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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Ye

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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yeah that makes a lot more sense for the build lmao

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now that's big damage

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 6:20 AM

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Yea 💀

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Nah exclusive access on last boon of the run 💀💀

sage veldt Jul 7, 2023, 6:23 AM

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tight basin have you considered not using approval process while hunting for duo boons lmao

I wasn’t hunting for duo boons specifically, i just turned it on bc i like that challenge the most bc it makes me pick different aspects than i normally do but the stars aligned and i got the 1 combination i needed zagsad

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:24 AM

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i've done enough ap1 runs to see crossed out duos

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i think i had like 4 or 5 menus have mirage shot crossed out in a row

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in a single run

sage veldt Jul 7, 2023, 6:25 AM

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Ive gotten other crossed out duos before but theyre the ones ive already had before and usually i just get them later if i find the god again but this run was determined not to give me it but let me know that i could have had it zagsad

round umbra Jul 7, 2023, 11:57 AM

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brittle rune Mb uh the other one that's not laser beam

@tight basin did you mean Lucifer, the hidden aspect?

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 4:01 PM

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What

round umbra Jul 7, 2023, 4:22 PM

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Laser beam sounds like Lucifer not Eris lol

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 4:31 PM

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He said not laser beam

brittle rune Jul 7, 2023, 5:24 PM

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i forgor the names of the aspects and just referred to lucifer as "the laser beam"

lean halo Jul 7, 2023, 6:02 PM

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omg how do i play with the laser beam one? i played it for the first time, and while i just chose random boons to advance with my prophecies, i still did huge damage, but that was my longest run ever 💀

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what boons are best for that weapon??

vagrant crane Jul 7, 2023, 6:04 PM

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lean halo what boons are best for that weapon??

eris

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:10 PM

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lean halo what boons are best for that weapon??

lightning strike -> aphrodite/artemis special and tidal dash basically

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get static discharge

vagrant crane Jul 7, 2023, 6:10 PM

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otherwise known as eris

tight basin Jul 7, 2023, 6:14 PM

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yeah and not everyone knows what you mean by that bouldy

vagrant crane Jul 7, 2023, 6:14 PM

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oh

lean halo Jul 7, 2023, 6:18 PM

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vagrant crane eris

yeah sorry i didn't want to sound dumb by asking LOL haha

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which honestly i should've just asked lol

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but yeah there's still a lot of acronyms and terminology i'm still figuring out and i've been playing for a while so yeah 😭 still learning 🥺

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thank you both though!!

round umbra Jul 7, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Athena on Lucifer special is pretty fun and reasonably effective defensively

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:14 AM

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For Lucifer is the infinite ammo upgrade good bad or does it depend on the build

round umbra Jul 8, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Depends on build imo

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It was great when I had a lightning gun with splitting bolt

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 AM

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eternal chamber is a nothing hammer

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it basically just doesn't affect your gameplay

round umbra Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 AM

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But damage scaling probably matters if using a % boost

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 AM

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why would you have a % boost

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 AM

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well I think eternal chamber is good for Zeus

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But I use % scaling for Lucifer usually

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:20 AM

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why

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why would you do that

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Ramp up damage make dopamine go brrrr

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:21 AM

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what gives even more dopamine is actually killing the enemies

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:21 AM

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Ramp up gives me more dopamine too

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:22 AM

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but like

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:22 AM

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double dose of dopamine

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:22 AM

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eternal chamber is either your first or your second hammer

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if it's your first hammer your prospects of playing the game are already gone since that means you didn't get triple bomb

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and unfortunately science has not found a way to deal damage on luci without triple bomb

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:23 AM

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I don’t like the luci special much

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:23 AM

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and if it's your second hammer it's like probably fine i guess but basically doesn't do anyhting

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what luck special

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well it is very good

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:23 AM

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I don’t really think about it much

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:23 AM

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but only with triple bomb

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:23 AM

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I just choose one

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so it’s only good with a specific upgrade

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:24 AM

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thats how a lot of stuff in this game is

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:24 AM

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Then if I don’t get it I do whatever I want with whatever there is

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And I can still do fine

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:25 AM

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well yeah

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but in terms of dealing decent damage luci is not very good at that without the hammer

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you'd probably need a big tdash and jolted

strange lark Jul 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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vagrant crane why would you have a % boost

super soaker

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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TRUE

lean hornet Jul 8, 2023, 2:26 AM

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I feel I did fine with the 100% ramp up speed bonus and a >100% attack bonus

fallow lantern Jul 8, 2023, 11:52 AM

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I want to try water gun build. Room 1 is hammer. All are good.
Do I want Piercing Fire, Triple Beam or Flash Fire?

lucid oar Jul 8, 2023, 1:01 PM

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Piercing fire

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I think all 3 are solid for this build though

fallow lantern Jul 8, 2023, 2:18 PM

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:)

lean halo Jul 8, 2023, 8:50 PM

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how does anyone escape with stubborn defiance?? i feel like i cant do it unless i dont use heat 😭

vagrant crane Jul 8, 2023, 8:52 PM

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useless unless on lc4

tight basin Jul 8, 2023, 8:59 PM

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lean halo how does anyone escape with stubborn defiance?? i feel like i cant do it unless ...

~~just don't die~~ i'd just run death defiance until you only lose like 1 DD in a run or whenever you think you can clear without losing too much hp

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you only use SD on lc4 at high heat, and if you're playing high heat you should be playing relatively clean

lean halo Jul 8, 2023, 9:07 PM

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ooh okay thank you 😭 i just wanted to finish the prophecy but i’ll be patient and play more to get better lol

tight basin Jul 8, 2023, 9:09 PM

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yeah SD is really punishing on boss fights, so if you consistently use like 2 on hades then you wont win the run with SD

manic cradle Jul 8, 2023, 9:27 PM

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anyone else wish there was a way to increase your chances of finding chaos

proper furnace Jul 8, 2023, 9:28 PM

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Light of ixion is basically that

manic cradle Jul 8, 2023, 9:29 PM

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yeah but there is no way to increase your chances of getting that, either

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other than rerolling

lean gale Jul 9, 2023, 4:29 AM

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i cant post pictures in this chanel??? i wanted to post mi full atenea run zagcry

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 4:51 AM

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you can use image link

lean gale Jul 9, 2023, 4:55 AM

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how ?

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 5:01 AM

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either upload to imgur or send the image to a different server or anywhere else and copy the link

lean gale Jul 9, 2023, 5:04 AM

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uk

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015086408421085266/1127465611715424256/20230709_002838.jpg

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015086408421085266/1127465611329536081/20230709_002852.jpg

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atenea

round umbra Jul 9, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Is perfect shot ever better than flurry shot? Seems like you could get 2 flurry off in the time a perfect takes

proven osprey Jul 9, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Flurry is definitely the one you're going after yeah

fluid canyon Jul 9, 2023, 6:42 PM

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Okay so I’m running an Artemis aphro build on guan yu, my first hammer is either gonna be winged serpent or quick spin, which do I get?

proper furnace Jul 9, 2023, 6:44 PM

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What's the third hammer

fluid canyon Jul 9, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Extending jab, no thanks

proper furnace Jul 9, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Yeah quick spin then

fluid canyon Jul 9, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Mmkay

burnt venture Jul 9, 2023, 10:05 PM

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I just got 2 chaos defiances in one run

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like back to back

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:05 PM

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nice

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:06 PM

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burnt venture I just got 2 chaos defiances in one run

what are chaos defiances?

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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chaos legendary

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they can give a legendary and the prereq is to just have any chaos boon beforehand

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somewhat rare to get

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Right

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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i think i've seen it a total of 5 times or so? in my 460 hours

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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tight basin they can give a legendary and the prereq is to just have any chaos boon beforeha...

is it any legendary from any god?

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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i also did get it back to back like maika lol

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:07 PM

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unkempt trout is it any legendary from any god?

wdym

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:08 PM

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can they give say posiedon legendary

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:08 PM

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oh no

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chaos legendary is specific to them

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their legendary is just straight up a death defiance lmao

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:08 PM

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ok

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:08 PM

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hence why maika said "chaos defiance"

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it's not a refill btw, it straight up gives you a whole extra one

unkempt trout Jul 9, 2023, 10:09 PM

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jup

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:09 PM

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although if you're missing a defiance idk if it'll act as a refill or not

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the past like 2 or so i've seen i've just kinda skipped

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and when i got it back to back i was using stubborn defiance so it just tacks on

burnt venture Jul 9, 2023, 10:10 PM

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tight basin i also did get it back to back like maika lol

unfortunately it was just before lernie and Im on a cast build with addled defiance so I went down 3 of my DDs just praying I run into patroclus

tight basin Jul 9, 2023, 10:11 PM

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lmfao

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i mean you aren't obligated to pick up the legendary but fair enough

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net gain -2 defiance is incredibly based

burnt venture Jul 9, 2023, 10:17 PM

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MY SAVIOUR PATROCLUS

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he showed up right after asterius

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my guy

weak zodiac Jul 10, 2023, 12:50 AM

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round umbra Is perfect shot ever better than flurry shot? Seems like you could get 2 flurry ...

power shot deals 70 damage, +150% with perfect shot, so 175 dmg, I guess?
flurry shot deals flat 60 damage
so you need 3 flurry shots to pass perfect shot
but now comes the question, how often you gonna do power shots, if you hold too long you will make regular 60 shot
so there are 2 instances where you want perfect over flurry:

you can reliably land power shots
you need to control where you attack ends and cast starts when using Hera bow (especially with Ares/Demeter casts, ugh)

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 12:51 AM

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hera bow wants flurry if you're good at aiming

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also hera should always run aphrodite's cast

weak zodiac Jul 10, 2023, 12:52 AM

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true, now tell it to RNG 😛

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 12:52 AM

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i mean you have a 75% chance to get it as your first boon so it's not too bad

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at that point i'd just reset the run

weak zodiac Jul 10, 2023, 12:53 AM

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pretty sure boons dont change if you reset

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 12:53 AM

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when i said reset i meant die

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completely reset the run and rng values and whatnot

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also boon choices could change if you get hammer start probably

weak zodiac Jul 10, 2023, 12:54 AM

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true

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 12:55 AM

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also even if rng isn't kind, it kinda always just cucks you at the beginning if you dont get it on like every build

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this isn't exclusive to crush shot hera lmao

weak zodiac Jul 10, 2023, 12:56 AM

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dunno, I usually just run blossom and see what happens

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 12:56 AM

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i mean sure

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but you dont really have control over your build

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you have a 75% chance to start with the boon you want with a god keepsake

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with mom pom it's a whole lot lower

round umbra Jul 10, 2023, 3:17 AM

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weak zodiac power shot deals 70 damage, +150% with perfect shot, so 175 dmg, I guess? flurry...

Also, flurry benefits from percent boons twice as much or so

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Since perfect shot isn't to base damage

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:19 AM

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weak zodiac power shot deals 70 damage, +150% with perfect shot, so 175 dmg, I guess? flurry...

power shot does 50

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the actual usable one

round umbra Jul 10, 2023, 3:27 AM

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We should probably compare a 40 and 60 flurry in that case

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Makes the math easier

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50% atk bonus from anywhere makes flurry match perfect if those assumptions are correct

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So yeah, flurry seems effectively always a little to a lot better

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But usually a lot

weak hedge Jul 10, 2023, 3:42 AM

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Hey, so I've been using Aspect of Hestia with Aphrodite Attack. What other Boons should I grab to boost my attack?

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:43 AM

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chaos stuff pretty much

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and RD

weak hedge Jul 10, 2023, 3:43 AM

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RD?

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But yeah, Chaos generally helps a lot

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 3:47 AM

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weak hedge RD?

rush delivery
hermes boon that boost your dmg based on movement speed

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pair with hyper sprint for at least a 50% global dmg boost up to 100% dmg boost

lean hornet Jul 10, 2023, 3:49 AM

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Does RD still trigger even if the speed buff isn’t being used

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:49 AM

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no

lean hornet Jul 10, 2023, 3:49 AM

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So you don’t have to dash for RD bonus

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:49 AM

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you do for hyper sprint

lean hornet Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 AM

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Dammit

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 AM

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i mean you're dash striking on like every aspect anyways

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 AM

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if its from like second wind or delivery you dont

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 AM

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so it's relatively fine

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 AM

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but sprint uptime is basically 100%

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i think the only aspect where its wonky is rama

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 3:51 AM

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yeah

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you dash out of the power shot to get the boost

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a bit backwards but it works

round umbra Jul 10, 2023, 4:03 AM

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weak hedge Hey, so I've been using Aspect of Hestia with Aphrodite Attack. What other Boons...

Arti dash but then your crowd clearing options are limited

round umbra Jul 10, 2023, 4:06 AM

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tight basin you dash out of the power shot to get the boost

Because it takes so long to charge so you try to dash after you fire but before it hits?

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 4:07 AM

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Something like that yeah

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The movement speed window you get after you dash is too short for a rama dash strike

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If it is long enough then the window is too tight

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Or rarity dependent

topaz zinc Jul 10, 2023, 8:23 AM

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how come chaos isnt givign me beowulf even tho i have guan yu and 5 titan blood invested in shield

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i met him like 3 times already

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I have lvl 3 zag shield lvl 3 Zeus shield lvl 2 chaos shield so idk what I’m doing wrong

valid dagger Jul 10, 2023, 9:32 AM

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topaz zinc I have lvl 3 zag shield lvl 3 Zeus shield lvl 2 chaos shield so idk what I’m doi...

Try talking to them with Shield equipped

trail adder Jul 10, 2023, 3:56 PM

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topaz zinc how come chaos isnt givign me beowulf even tho i have guan yu and 5 titan blood ...

I think u just haven’t met chaos enough

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How many hearts u have with chaos

trail adder Jul 10, 2023, 3:57 PM

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valid dagger Try talking to them with Shield equipped

I’ve never needed to have the weapon equipped before to unlock its aspect

valid dagger Jul 10, 2023, 4:00 PM

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trail adder I’ve never needed to have the weapon equipped before to unlock its aspect

You can do it both ways if you check the pins in #h1-story-discussion

topaz zinc Jul 10, 2023, 5:05 PM

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I’ve been talking to chaos with shield equipped

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I have no hearts with chaos tho

trail adder Jul 10, 2023, 5:31 PM

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topaz zinc I have no hearts with chaos tho

That the prob

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U gotta give some gifts I think

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Nah

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As mike said, check #h1-story-discussion pins to see the unlock method

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 5:41 PM

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if anything having 0 hearts would give you better chances at getting it lmao

trail adder Jul 10, 2023, 6:02 PM

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Bruh

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Ok

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That’s wierd tho

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I grinder to unlock the Biden aspects by giving gifts and trying to meet the characters a lot

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Now ur saying I could have just done nothing

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Yup

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And as bananas said gifting can actually delay it lol

trail adder Jul 10, 2023, 6:03 PM

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Why

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 6:04 PM

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Cuz you push other storylines

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Hades dialogue system basically
"When talk to X character, choose between those dialogues available"

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If you unlock more dialogues, getting the one you want can be harder

topaz zinc Jul 10, 2023, 6:05 PM

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How come chaos just gives me random dialogues instead of just giving me the dialogue for aspect of Beowulf

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which I have not encountered yet

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I meet all the requirements

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Cuz not everytime they will chose the dialogue sadly

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It still has some element of rng

topaz zinc Jul 10, 2023, 6:07 PM

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Unfortunate

proper furnace Jul 10, 2023, 6:07 PM

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Always lends to this type of posts

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"acchiles and pat are at locked but don't say anything" "I have akl the requisites but..."

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It is what it is

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It can suck a lot specially for asterius giving the phrase for fists or Thanathos/Hypnos

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1128026086706528296/image.png 🗿

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:14 PM

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reverse lighting phalanx

wary adder Jul 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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how high heat is this

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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i mean he did start coin purse so he's just doing whatever

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16

wary adder Jul 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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well then

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was going to say it makes a bit more sense for like ap

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 6:16 PM

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he took a replace of deadly strike for divine strike

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:16 PM

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oh rip

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 6:16 PM

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wh

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the deadly strrike literally gave more bonus

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why is it not roll for phalanx

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:18 PM

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because he didn't feel like it i guess lmao

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 6:18 PM

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but damidge

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:19 PM

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sometimes it isn't about the damage

wary adder Jul 10, 2023, 6:21 PM

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it's not always about the money, spiderman

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 6:21 PM

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me telling people to not save gold for hoarding slash damage

native pollen Jul 10, 2023, 7:59 PM

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Idk what it is about me, but pierced butterfly gives me such anxiety

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I only use it in Tartarus

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 7:59 PM

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not worth using

round umbra Jul 10, 2023, 8:00 PM

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native pollen I only use it in Tartarus

Its benefit only lasts while it's equipped iirc

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 8:00 PM

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yea

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useless keepsake

native pollen Jul 10, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Thanks a lot, Thanatos. (I'm kidding)

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It's good for looking cool, though.

woven nexus Jul 10, 2023, 11:38 PM

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How about Sisyphus'

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 11:39 PM

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thats one of the best

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 11:41 PM

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niche but pretty good

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 11:42 PM

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it's basically instant win button on hestia and rama

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and probably other stuff

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 11:43 PM

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~~nem~~

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beo is funny

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 11:43 PM

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well you dont rlly wanna keep it on nem

tight basin Jul 10, 2023, 11:43 PM

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fair

vagrant crane Jul 10, 2023, 11:43 PM

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hestia u can go to the end

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rama too if you're not acorning

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 1:57 AM

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How do you use Sisyphus'? Just avoid every boon? If unavoidable, use heat that forces boon to be erased per domain exit?

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 2:09 AM

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dont take an attack

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pretty easy

round umbra Jul 11, 2023, 3:36 AM

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woven nexus How do you use Sisyphus'? Just avoid every boon? If unavoidable, use heat that f...

The heat just makes you sell a boon at the pool of purging which you already have the option to do once or multiple times

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 11:48 AM

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Which Soul do you put on as default because it's overall the much better deal in most gameplay?

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Infernal or Stygian?

round umbra Jul 11, 2023, 11:53 AM

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Infernal on cast builds unless it's Dio or Demeter. Stygian if there's a chance of bad news because bug. Infernal if there's a chance of lightning rods which there almost always is. Then probably styg if for some reason there isn't.

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 11:54 AM

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So Infernal might be a good default just cause of the chance for lightning rod boon

round umbra Jul 11, 2023, 11:55 AM

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I guess you might want to avoid that possibility if going for other Zeus or Artemis duos. If going for their legendaries it pairs well with both lok

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 11:56 AM

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so whats your verdict?

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what do you default if you have no plans for any of the above?

acoustic skiff Jul 11, 2023, 12:14 PM

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I usually have Stygian as default but because I'm lazy to pick them up and I don't use casts very often unless I'm actively building some cast build, and then I decide depending on the build

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so honestly just use whichever you prefer

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if not based on build

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 12:17 PM

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I use Cast specifically to apply Boiling Blood

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only on bosses or any tanky midboss

acoustic skiff Jul 11, 2023, 12:19 PM

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well if that's the only consideration then it kinda doesn't matter if a boss has three casts in him or only one, and the autoregen is faster than the cast pops out, so you might like Stygian, but like I said it's mostly down to preference if you're ignoring cast builds

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you should know if you are using them often or not, and if you find it annoying to pick them up or if you find yourself using all three or if you space them out

woven nexus Jul 11, 2023, 12:21 PM

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yeah i think I'm going Stygian then

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it's annoying to pick any of the 3 that drops once the fight's gone long enough

round umbra Jul 11, 2023, 12:53 PM

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I used the alt to boiling blood when not going for time

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These days it's always infernal boiling unless doing a zag fists plume run or a beams run. Both of which I do fairly often.

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 3:47 PM

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woven nexus Which Soul do you put on as default because it's overall the much better deal in...

infernal is default

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stygian is for non castspects that dont use cast much in tart and dont need rod

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:06 PM

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I’m at Styx and I have the option to get heroic lv5 passion flare (replacing flood flare)

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Do I do it

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:06 PM

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do you have mirage

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:06 PM

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And does mirage shot/mirage shot but still work

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Yea

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:06 PM

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and is it in fountain

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Not fountain

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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your call

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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But 6th room

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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better damage in dad but pash styx can be rough

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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No matter what hades next

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Taking it

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:07 PM

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you're also gonna get tinyflared

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i think

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Nice now it’s level 8 from shop Pom

vagrant crane Jul 11, 2023, 4:09 PM

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holy

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1128357353251676180/image.png

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lmfao

lean hornet Jul 11, 2023, 4:10 PM

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I almost got him to 2/3 in one rush holy

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too much

tight basin Jul 11, 2023, 4:36 PM

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woven nexus I use Cast specifically to apply Boiling Blood

Flip a coin to pick whatever you want lmao it doesn't matter too much
The only difference here is infernal opens lightnig rod and stygian has marginally better odds for a good Hermes boon

polar python Jul 12, 2023, 1:49 AM

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I never noticed you can't get lightning rod with Stygian Soul.

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Makes sense, but it just never occurred to me before.

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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one of the great tragedies of stygian

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 3:56 AM

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I think I'll go Stygian. Getting lazy picking up casts. And Bad News is glitched.

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I'm thinking of making my 2nd maxed aspect a Bow.

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Which bow aspect you think is best?

deep prism Jul 12, 2023, 4:13 AM

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chiron is pretty good

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:15 AM

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Yeah I'm tempted to go Chiron. It makes special be less of a short range burst and become strong in any range as long as the target's marked

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I still need more opinions though. After watching some aspect vids, most Bow aspects are held in high regard

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And there's no clear winner

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:27 AM

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I liked Hera best for a long time but recently got really into Rama

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Chiron never felt as good as I was hoping it'd be. I have all these fancy build ideas for it and even when they come together they're not as satisfying as i thought they'd be

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:29 AM

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Safe to assume Hera is a Cast Aspect?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:29 AM

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Yeah

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Lol

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:30 AM

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What's the best boons to go for it?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:30 AM

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Crush shot

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The range of it is no longer an issue

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And it does the the most damage and applies a nice condition too

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I liked trippy flare and stg soul with it for the longest time.

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Crush shot usually goes with infernal soul and picking up the casts is a large part of hera play that way

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:32 AM

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Stygian over Infernal Soul for it?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:32 AM

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But with styg soul (which works best with trippy flare) you don't even need to upgrade hera

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Trippy Flare benefits from the mirage shot bug and the bad news bug and has two cool other uo boons that buff it

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If you can get fully loaded with styg soul which is admittedly pretty hard since you can't get one of its prereqs exit wounds when using trippy, you're laughing.

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Cause of how big a deal each extra cast is with styg

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:38 AM

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woven nexus Stygian over Infernal Soul for it?

In short, usually crush shot with infernal, but trippy with styg where you don't have to upgrade hera is cool too.

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:39 AM

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Which one is more fun or more powerful or more consistent?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:40 AM

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Consistent would be infernal crush

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Max power if you get lucky with boons is trippy styg

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I've had a lot of fun with both

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:41 AM

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Going with infernal crush for now

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:41 AM

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Enjoy!

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:41 AM

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What cast boons is preferred?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:41 AM

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?

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Cast boons?

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:42 AM

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God boons that affect Cast shots. Does it apply when used with Hera?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:42 AM

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Crush shot is Aphrodite's cast

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Trippy Flare is Dionysus's cast for hera bow and beo shield

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Those are what I was referring to above. Was that not clear?

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 4:44 AM

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Ah

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I'm still too new with the lingos. Thought those were hammer buffs

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Any other boons worth considering when using Infernal Hera?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 4:47 AM

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Mirage shot (pos arti duo) is a nice buff to damage. Snow burst is good if going for speed. Legendary recall is good if you're not comfortable going and grabbing your casts, but you'll have to learn to eventually.

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Fully loaded is helpful but hard to get on any cast build

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Exit wounds is helpful if things live long enough

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And a good attack boon. Artis attack opens up some nice heart rend

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:34 AM

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woven nexus Which bow aspect you think is best?

hera or rama

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tbf all the bow aspects are fine

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hera and rama are the more stronger ones tho

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zag bow can be vaguely strong but you kinda have to work for it a bit

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chiron can be strong but you'd need concentrated volley and good chaos

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 5:35 AM

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tight basin tbf all the bow aspects are fine

that’s a funny way to spell 3

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:35 AM

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my brother on christ not everyone plays the game competitively like you

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chiron is literally fine

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 5:35 AM

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i had a build which instagibbed lernie heads earlier and it didn’t sub8

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wep doesn’t deal damage

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:36 AM

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i think you missed the part where i said "not everyone plays the game competively"

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it doesn't deal damage to your standards

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it's literally fine for casual gameplay

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 5:36 AM

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well u don’t have to to see that it is not very good

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:36 AM

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it's fine

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i never said it was very good

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 5:37 AM

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i guess

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i feel like tho if you’re going to the trouble of unlocking and maxing an aspect of bow you might as well get hera

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:38 AM

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i did rec hera or rama

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but im also like an hour late

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 7:21 AM

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Cant wait to play Hera once I get enough Titan Blood to cap it. Gonna be the first time going for actual Cast Aspects

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 12:28 PM

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Play stg soul and trippy flare with it at first level!

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 12:35 PM

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Hera crush shot works fine at lvl 1

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If you can't one shot the common enemies, get quick reload from hermes

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 12:59 PM

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Bosses tho- you could have 2.5s on them with quick reload

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And also trippy is fun

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:06 PM

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BTW in higher heat, should I do Lasting Consequences 4 and abuse SD for healing?

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:06 PM

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Yeah

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Outside of having cleaner boss fighta is 4 geat that you dont put in worse things

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*heat

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:07 PM

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it'll be a while to get used to having only 1 revives and it being weaker. But to be able to use it per chamber sounds real nice

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:08 PM

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You can get 2 dds + sd if you know how athena refills work

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:09 PM

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i don't

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how?

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:09 PM

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If you spent your sd in the room and then pick up either of the athena dds boons you will gain one dd and then sd will regen next room

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Sd always procs before the dds too

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Also check out all the charon wells for touch of styx

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They buff the amount that sd heals by +10% each

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And they last for 14 encounters

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:11 PM

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oh

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i didn't know it applies to the revive as well

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:12 PM

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Also if you get Patroclus you have a great item to get

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Touch of styx dark buffs sd heals by +50%

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If you get it deep into Ely it can last you till dad

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:12 PM

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so anything that used to buff healing through chambers also buffs revive?

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:13 PM

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No, touch of styx buffs directly the revive

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:13 PM

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wait is that the one related to the revives?

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All I've ever known are the DD replenishes

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:13 PM

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(touch of styx replaces kiss of styx, which refills one dd)

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:13 PM

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cause i've never touched SD yet

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btw Kiss of Styx refills ALL used DDs

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so it always goes back to full

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:14 PM

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That's the Patroclus version

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Kiss of styx is also on charon wells

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:14 PM

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ah...

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OH

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THAT item

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 1:14 PM

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200 or so gold for 1 refill

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Touch of styx appears whenever you use sd instead and costs like 70

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 1:15 PM

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Convenience fee, heh

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:24 PM

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I'm not sure if I can even currently beat hades with just 60% of my health.

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:27 PM

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is the best way to farm Darkness just doing 0 Heat runs and get the most out of Boss Drops being purely Darkness?

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 2:28 PM

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If you're already past heat 9 you can use the standard speedrun pact to speed up the runs

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Em2 + fo2 (or fo1 which is 3 heat less)

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:29 PM

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does more heat drop more stuff?

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 2:30 PM

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Nope

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:30 PM

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so.....speedrun 0 heat then

proper furnace Jul 12, 2023, 2:30 PM

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Is faster in the sense that em2 makes the hydra heads spawn closer and forced overtime speeds up the spawn animation of enemies

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You can also add tight deadline to remove the survival rooms in tartarus

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:39 PM

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But also, you'll probably get more mentally tired so yeah 0 heat works

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:40 PM

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the hell with this luck.

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Posideon has books to boost darkness. Bouldy gives some darkness. Posideon keepsake, chaos keepsake for more likely to get higher rarity chaos boons giving darkness. Do the rare and epic mirror options. purse for buying darkness

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:40 PM

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I'm being locked out out of every boon i want

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Are you using ap?

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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just for Fate stuff

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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I've only ever used that heat once

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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temporary

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it can end runs i can imagine

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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For fate yeah lol. It sucks

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Do not enjoy

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I like getting my fancy builds and running them up against em4 cp2

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Ok so Eris and Hera. If I have to pick a different Arms, which Aspect should I go with?

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 3:38 PM

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Achilles spear

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I like zag fists with plume

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Inexpensive

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Beo shield fun

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I don't love the sword and actually prefer pos over nem, unlike most people

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 4:14 PM

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woven nexus Ok so Eris and Hera. If I have to pick a different Arms, which Aspect should I g...

Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, and Demeter are considered the best aspect for each weapon

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Zeus shield is also pretty good but hard to play well

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Demeter and zag fists kinda just build the same so you can pick between those if you want

fluid canyon Jul 12, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Okay so I’m running a maxed Zagreus aspect sword build, and I just got given the choice between sweet nectar and heart rend

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Which do I get?

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What are the odds that I’ll get the other one again?

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 4:39 PM

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Do you have deadly strike and passion dash or heartbreak flourish?

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And where in the run are you

fluid canyon Jul 12, 2023, 5:17 PM

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I was in asphodel, and no worries I won with no lives lost

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I had heartbreak strike with cruel thrust and deadly flourish

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 5:23 PM

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I would've taken sweet nectar at that point tbh

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zag sword kinda just sucks lmao

acoustic vale Jul 12, 2023, 5:43 PM

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arthur better

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 5:44 PM

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zag sword actually does have one thing going for it, that being that it is better than arthur

fluid canyon Jul 12, 2023, 6:16 PM

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Ik it’s better but I wanted rush delivery

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I also had plume

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 6:18 PM

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oh plume zag sword is based

sacred snow Jul 12, 2023, 6:23 PM

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currently having to restart hades cuz i switched platforms, anyone got a fun build i can try out very early game? :)

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used to run aphro+dio chiron bow but kinda forgot how to get chiron bow and doubt i can get all that done this soon :)

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also really enjoyed dio cast build with the duo combo (cant quite remember what the name was tho)

valid dagger Jul 12, 2023, 6:27 PM

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What aspects do you have

sacred snow Jul 12, 2023, 6:27 PM

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pretty much nothing

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i only just got the bow 😭

valid dagger Jul 12, 2023, 6:29 PM

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Good. Start with a +% attack if you have a keepsake for that, Aphrodite ideally, Artemis is also pretty solid. Bow scales hard with hammers so you're looking for Twin/Triple into Perfect/Point Blank, can mix up the order it doesnt matter. Try to get more attack/dash strike damage and focus fully on dash striking and powershotting. Athena for safety and dps calls are always a good pickup

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 6:29 PM

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You need to unlock all the weapons before you can get aspects

sacred snow Jul 12, 2023, 6:29 PM

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tight basin You need to unlock all the weapons before you can get aspects

ye ye i know :)

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i got like all upgrades and all weapons and a couple of aspects on my earlier save

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sadly they took hades off gamepass a while ago so i just bought it on the steam sale now

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i was actually in here way back then and got a lot of great advice from you guys ❤️

sacred snow Jul 12, 2023, 6:33 PM

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valid dagger Good. Start with a +% attack if you have a keepsake for that, Aphrodite ideally,...

im guessing the athena should be on dash?

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 6:34 PM

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tidal and hunter also work

valid dagger Jul 12, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Dash is pretty good yea, Call is solid but Zag bow isnt the greatest at charging call meter, especially if you're not as quick with the dash strikes

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There is a link pinned here with builds for all the aspects. All of the Zag aspects' builds will work just as well on base weps so you can check those.

sacred snow Jul 12, 2023, 6:44 PM

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would it be smarter to put my first keys into upgrades or into new weapons?

valid dagger Jul 12, 2023, 7:12 PM

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sacred snow would it be smarter to put my first keys into upgrades or into new weapons?

It kinda depends but the later mirror upgrades need so many keys so it’s probably best to have all the weapons unlocked by the time you get to the 20-30 keys upgrades

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Also the earlier you unlock all weapons the earlier you’ll have a use for Titan Blood

woven nexus Jul 12, 2023, 11:26 PM

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tight basin Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, and Demeter are considered the best aspect for each ...

Best aspect for Rail is Eris then. What about Bow? Is it Hera or Rama?

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 11:31 PM

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well for rail it's between eris and hestia

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for bow it kinda depends what you wanna do with it

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hera is great for speedrunning and general use but falls off at pretty high heat

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rama can be good for speedrunning and general use but it's a lot harder to learn

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does great at heat tho

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hera is easier to use on controller, rama either controller or kbm works fine generally

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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hera fine unm on kbm

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issue only presents with flurry

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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i guess

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still a bit of an aiming issue

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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crush shot hit box is basically the size of rama shot anyways

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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is it

vagrant crane Jul 12, 2023, 11:35 PM

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idk it’s fat

tight basin Jul 12, 2023, 11:35 PM

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feels like half the size of a rama shot lmao

round umbra Jul 12, 2023, 11:53 PM

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Flurry is probably the hammer you want in Hera

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 12:53 AM

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If stygian

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Right?

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 1:12 AM

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woven nexus If stygian

what does that hve to do with it

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 1:17 AM

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Deranger mentioned Flurry. Or is it a different topic?

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 1:18 AM

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yeah but why would stygian matter

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flurry is start hammer on standard hera build

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which is just crush shot

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 9:22 AM

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What is 2nd best shield if Beowulf is first?

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 9:22 AM

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zeus

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then zag

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and way behind being garbo useless is chaos

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 9:23 AM

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thanks

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cause i need to invest on 5 titan blood in shield aspect to unlock Beo

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 12:40 PM

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btw do you cast all 3 Bloodstones using Hera or Beowulf when the enemy's very tanky? Or do you still do it one stone per attack?

lucid oar Jul 13, 2023, 12:58 PM

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It depends

proven osprey Jul 13, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Optimization comes with habit but I recommend to stick to a 2-1 bloodstones rotation (with beo)

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That way you're never out of casts

unkempt trout Jul 13, 2023, 4:43 PM

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all bloodstones or no bloodstones for me

woven nexus Jul 13, 2023, 10:05 PM

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proven osprey That way you're never out of casts

Good point there. When I was using Eris, there's quite the downtime if I use all 3. And thats with Quick Reload.

wintry portal Jul 13, 2023, 11:21 PM

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does the save glitch only effect loading times?

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 11:21 PM

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yea

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affect*

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well i suppose it kinda effects them

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but affect would be more prudent

wintry portal Jul 13, 2023, 11:22 PM

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never knew about the diference
but they mean the same thing ??

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 11:22 PM

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no

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affect is the more common verb

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effect is generally a noun

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effect is also a verb

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but it's

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effect (third-person singular simple present effects, present participle effecting, simple past and past participle effected)

(transitive) To make or bring about; to implement. 

The best way to effect change is to work with existing stakeholders.

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vs affect

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is basically to change or alter

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and affect as a noun is only for psychology stuff

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so load times could be effected if they didnt exist and then it made them exist

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but not just by elongating them

wintry portal Jul 13, 2023, 11:27 PM

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Ok, I got it, thanks for the info

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daily I hate english moment

lean hornet Jul 13, 2023, 11:48 PM

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Is it worth going for Artemis leg if you’re using mirage shot beo?

vagrant crane Jul 13, 2023, 11:48 PM

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no

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only if you have a truly obscene number of artys

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those rolls r better suited to wells and hermes and chaos

lean hornet Jul 13, 2023, 11:49 PM

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so don’t aim for it but get it if you have a lot of arte boons

lucid oar Jul 13, 2023, 11:57 PM

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yeah

cyan badger Jul 14, 2023, 12:43 AM

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I’m sick of trying to get the final skelly statute what is the single most Brocken build

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 12:46 AM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Bananas' 32 Heat Basics Guide

Bananas’ 32 Heat Basics Guide Background A lot of people struggle with getting their first 32 heat, and this guide is to make getting that first one a lot easier. It’ll go over pact choices, mirror, and builds. For context, I have a respectable amount of experience with heat. I don’t play high h...

round umbra Jul 14, 2023, 4:45 AM

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woven nexus Good point there. When I was using Eris, there's quite the downtime if I use all...

Beo casts don't lodge

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They pop out

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 4:45 AM

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Good to know

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That means use the alternative to Boiling Blood right?

round umbra Jul 14, 2023, 4:46 AM

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Doesn't matter

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Both are only in lodge

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 4:50 AM

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there is quite literally never a reason to use abyssal blood

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as long as you intend to actually try and play the game

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rather than achieve max slowdown or DR or something

round umbra Jul 14, 2023, 4:56 AM

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vagrant crane as long as you intend to actually try and play the game

Speed running is not the only way people play the game, mate

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Seems to make sense when just trying to survive and not doing the majority of damage with attack or special

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These absolute statements based on a specific way of playing the game are a lot.

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:03 AM

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boiling blood helps out more in smaller rooms against tankier enemies, especially like early tartarus or in elysium

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:03 AM

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round umbra Speed running is not the only way people play the game, mate

that doesn’t change the fact that boiling blood is significantly more useful

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:03 AM

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abyssal is nice to counteract FO a bit i guess but i've never really had a reason to switch

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:04 AM

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does it affect attack speed

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:04 AM

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reduces foe's speed and damage

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so idk

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Each rank reduces foes' speed and damage by -6% while they have Cast Ammo in them.

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:04 AM

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the attack speed part of fo is what makes it hard isn’t it

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:04 AM

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probably

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:04 AM

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else you could just get a fat haste or sprint

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:05 AM

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movement speed is only an issue against bull charge i think

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i guess like

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:05 AM

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chariots and flame wheels as well then

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:06 AM

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abyssal has a niche on fists if you're not using dem lmao

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since that uses flat damage

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idk i've never really had a reason to use abyssal and never thought about it

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because damage is just generally better lmao

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:06 AM

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i feel like the dupper damage still probably worthwhile

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and also

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at high heat

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fists attack in tart just doesn’t do anything for some period

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:07 AM

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not even with zeus?

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:07 AM

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Oops. So for Beo, the mirror talents for lodging dont matter

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:07 AM

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the boiling blood bonus on attack against like armored louts and thugs literally matters

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:07 AM

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woven nexus Oops. So for Beo, the mirror talents for lodging dont matter

yeah lmao

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:08 AM

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and it will always be true that just killing the enemy is the best way to not die

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:08 AM

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Prevention is always better than the cure for any game where you can damage very fast or dodge

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Do more damage to take less damage

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:09 AM

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lucky for you, aphrodite has both lmao

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big damage and damage reduction

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kinda neat

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:09 AM

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Btw Beo is also Crush Shot?

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:09 AM

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no

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only because mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% instead of 30%

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so start flood shot and try to get the duo

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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A duo huh...

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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flood flare and deadly strike

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or deadly flourish if u don’t hit atk

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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woven nexus A duo huh...

typitcally not hard to get in a run as long as you dont open any extra duos

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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dash doesn’t open duo tho

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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and if you have fated persuasion

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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vagrant crane dash doesn’t open duo tho

~~tdash and hunters flare work~~

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:10 AM

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lmfao

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also you can use legacy

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:11 AM

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So I recently saw why Crush Shot on Hera. It improves damage nicely and adds a wider hit box.

What about the duo for Beo?

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:11 AM

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doubles flare damage

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simple

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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vagrant crane lmfao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1019097823075115048/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

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didn't have tdash but i did get this a while ago

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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Its weird that Supergiant still has glitches kept

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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🗿

woven nexus Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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I guess they find it tolerable or nice

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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woven nexus Its weird that Supergiant still has glitches kept

yea they’re basically done updating

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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vagrant crane 🗿

38 sec dad fight dusa

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 AM

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all the glitches now are well known

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ish

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well

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all the glitches we know are well known

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:13 AM

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woven nexus I guess they find it tolerable or nice

idk if it was this game or a different one, but they're aware it exists but didn't want to fix it because it'd mess with the speedrun leaderboard or something?

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:13 AM

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there aren’t many secret shadow knowledge glitches

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:14 AM

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and also they dont update the game when it's publicly released

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:14 AM

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vagrant crane there aren’t many secret shadow knowledge glitches

rare crop was a recent one tho

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so like there could be some more funky stuff lmao

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:14 AM

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which part

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i mean

tight basin Jul 14, 2023, 5:14 AM

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cshot damage good bye

vagrant crane Jul 14, 2023, 5:14 AM

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it’s now well known to never take crop

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so that fixes that

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dusa