#h1-builds-and-combat

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tight basin
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in game time

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not real time

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but by pressing buttons very fast

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and getting good rng

warm snow
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speedrunners play the game a lot to practice playing it as little as possible

tight basin
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sounds about right

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sub1 aspho goes hard

warm snow
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wtf

tight basin
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i had a 58 sec aspho in my sub6 lmao

jade gale
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bruh

warm snow
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by poseidon that's fast

tight basin
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chaos -> eury -> 2 wave combat with 2 armored enemies per wave -> midshop -> miniboss -> fountain -> endshop -> lernie

warm snow
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the slammer guys?

tight basin
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orange ones

warm snow
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the waves?

tight basin
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fought a total of 8 enemies before lernie

warm snow
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pro

tight basin
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this dude

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inferno bombers

warm snow
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ah

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never seen him up this close

tight basin
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it's a surprisingly good quality pic lmao

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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i didnt???

tight basin
ruby siren
# warm snow never seen him up this close

hahaa i remember specifically having the same thought wen i actually zoomed in on one of those guys once. theyre soooo creepy, esp the way they tiptoe around hahaha

tight basin
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pausing in decisions, always taking free rooms, etc

vagrant crane
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yeag

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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in fact

ruby siren
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i dont think so tho haha

vagrant crane
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i happen to have that beautiful vod on hand as well

ruby siren
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i heard rush delivery is the secret speed sauce

vagrant crane
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oh i guess i didnt

tight basin
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well that's just like the super basics of it

tight basin
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more damage based on your bonus movement speed

warm snow
tight basin
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and hyper sprint is a prereq

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so a free 50/75/100/125% boost to your damage

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also you do tend to start chaos egg a lot, which doesn't help for speed lmao

ruby siren
tight basin
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i mean i reviewed like 2 or 3 of your videos lmao

vagrant crane
tight basin
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basically free

vagrant crane
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so can you not turret on hera with rd

tight basin
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why do you wanna turret on hera

vagrant crane
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idk

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you have flurry

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if you wallbug dont you turret anyways

tight basin
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you dash into it still

vagrant crane
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figures

tight basin
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because the casts dont land on top of you

ruby siren
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?

tight basin
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yeah

vagrant crane
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it's pretty long tho

tight basin
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but you're basically always dash striking anyways

vagrant crane
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yeah there are very few weapons which dont dash strike

tight basin
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you have a pretty good window for rd

vagrant crane
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are there any actually

ruby siren
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yea thats what i thought. rly good for meme beams and hunting blades, anything passive ig. what else does it apply to?

vagrant crane
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i cant think of anything

ruby siren
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haangover

vagrant crane
tight basin
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hangover will get a few rd ticks in

vagrant crane
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anything active too

tight basin
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but rd goes for everything

vagrant crane
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literally just anything

tight basin
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even rama with it's slow ass charge lmao

vagrant crane
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like

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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which is basically everything

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dash strikes on sword

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dash strikes on spear

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flares on beo

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bow dash strikes

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eveyrthing after you dash pummel on fists

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and hestia dash strikes

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and rail in general

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it's not like

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the actual speed you move

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it's just the window after you dash

ruby siren
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wait so how does it go for everything but only works during post-dash rush. if ur dash striking ur not running ur dashing. iguess the time window extends into the actual dashes as well? it must for that to make sense. i never understood why that worked til now

vagrant crane
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you don't need to be running around for it

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so if you have common sprint it's just rd active for 0.5s after dash

ruby siren
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this is incredibly useful info lol

vagrant crane
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up to 0.9 with heroic sprint

tight basin
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afaik

vagrant crane
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yea

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it's active during dash strikes so yea

ruby siren
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nah i get it now. thats insane im itchin to get it now haha

vagrant crane
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now you get to roll for it and reset if you dont get it :)

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the hestia experience

tight basin
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kinda a pain to get sometimes but it's hella good

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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yea

ruby siren
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i got it heroic for the first time the other day, sooo crazy

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ooo esp w the one that adds dodge chance n move speed post-call

tight basin
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that's something you'd pick up in styx lol

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avoid taking calls before your hermes

ruby siren
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i bet those two plus RD in styx is the coup de grace

vagrant crane
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doesnt work

tight basin
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having a call when you pick up hermes adds 2 more boons into his pool

vagrant crane
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RD just

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doesnt acknowledge multiple temporary move speed bonuses

tight basin
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no the damage does work

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you dont get the funny movement tho

vagrant crane
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huh

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no

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you get the movement

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but the damage doesnt work

tight basin
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wat

vagrant crane
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same reason dad call doesnt do the thingy

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even though you're zoomin

ruby siren
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im so curious who's right here hahahhaa

vagrant crane
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do we have to bother cgull or something about this

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ill just ask in speedcord

tight basin
vagrant crane
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links to your own message what a gamer

tight basin
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i mean it's that whole convo

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but i remember talking about it and i dont talk much

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so it's easy to find

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this is probably a better one

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a bit above my comment

vagrant crane
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yeah the 1 dad is from the +100% damage

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not +100% movespeed

tight basin
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huh

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the 0.75 rare with hs tho

ruby siren
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so jazz is ur position that one or the other adds dmg but not both or the 2nd wind doesnt ever give bonus dmg?

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that*

tight basin
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jazz's position is that you get the zoomies but not the damage

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my position is that you dont get the zoomies but you get the damage

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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with temp sources

ruby siren
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okay so no bonus damage from second wind+rush deliv ever?

vagrant crane
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yea

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thats what i thought

tight basin
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in my sub6 dad fight i'm pretty sure i never got the dad speed movement buff

vagrant crane
tight basin
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lemme look at other clips

vagrant crane
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nnevic

ruby siren
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sooo curious

tight basin
vagrant crane
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OH MY GOD I AM GONNA KILL YOU

tight basin
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but you get the damage

vagrant crane
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look up

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in the convo

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i have a 3rd from sleep

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but im not posting it until i feel confident dyno's watchful eye has slumbered

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and also pseudo

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so i think sleep and pseudo probably make that that

tight basin
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1 base
.25 ff
.75 rare RD w/hs
.31 chaos
1 dad

vagrant crane
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1 dad

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dad adds 100% damage

tight basin
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then why is dad damage calced here

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oh

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i forgot about that part

vagrant crane
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At Max Gauge, Zagreus turns Unseen instead of Invisible.

While Unseen, Zagreus cannot be targeted, moves faster, and deals (50-100% depending on rarity) bonus damage for 5 seconds, the bonus not being lost when Zagreus strikes.
tight basin
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okay i get it then

vagrant crane
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yea

tight basin
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i forgor

vagrant crane
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im still gonna post this last one for fun

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but yea

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so that's why it stacks with

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whatever that one is called

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haste

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but not with second wind

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or dad

tight basin
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this is funny tho

vagrant crane
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this game is so weird

tight basin
vagrant crane
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zag zoomin

ruby siren
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clarifiception

tight basin
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uh

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both i guess lol

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jazz is correct

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i just over simplified the explanation

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a more accurate explanation is that RD only counts the highest temporary movement speed buff present

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so if you have hyper sprint, second wind, and ferocious guard, RD won't recognize second wind or ferocious guard

ruby siren
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makes sense

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rude tho

tight basin
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but if you have hyper sprint, greater haste, and an ichor, RD will count all of it

tight basin
ruby siren
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i expect hades builds to always be as broken as they seem

tight basin
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i mean tbf it's strong enough lmao

ruby siren
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hahaha facts

tight basin
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also i think greater haste is better anyways?

vagrant crane
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yea

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haste is 20/30/40

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i think billowing is like 22/30/38?

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or somethign

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i mean

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second wind

tight basin
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common swind is 30

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30/33/36/39

vagrant crane
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o

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why does it scale so bad

ruby siren
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second wind 33 yea

tight basin
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so i wouldn't expect it to scale well

ruby siren
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i dont think 3% is terrible scaling for across the board dmg buff

vagrant crane
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second wind is movespeed/dodge

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billowing is dmg

ruby siren
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ohhh derp

tight basin
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i mean i guess it could scale like haste, but also heroic swind at 50% is kinda cursed lol

vagrant crane
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50% dodge would be funny

tight basin
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oh yeah it's also dodge

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yeah that's fairly balanced imo

ruby siren
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yea 33% dodge is insane lol

tight basin
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billowing is 20/22/24/30 lmao

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why is there such a jump from epic to heroic

ruby siren
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combining that w zeus+aphro duo n billowing w aphro call is one of the most OP builds in the game imo

tight basin
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dad call doen't work with smair

ruby siren
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for dad lol u basically can stunlock him perpetually

tight basin
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oh wait i can't read

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try that but with zeus or dio call

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big boi dps

ruby siren
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oh for sure. sounds weird but poseidon call is the one ive had the most success with. if u get rip current which adds time to the call, u basically spend most of the fight just splashing around invincible. and then the rest of the time u have the dodge chance. plus rip current pulls all the enemies into u in stage 1 so u can actually kill them. i kno i mentioned this before n yall raised objections tho hahaha. my 2nd most recent vid kind of proves it tho

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zeus or dio > DPS tho im sure

tight basin
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i mean pos call certainly isn't fast but it has decent dps lol

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well at least good damage per hit

ruby siren
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yea it's just awkward trying to make uturns n get multiple hits in

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moving on a horizontal or vertical axis works pretty well, at least on a keyboard

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rip current plus smoldering is just ridiculous for non-boss fights. the pulling enemies in effect is hella broken, it makes 60% jury summons a breeze

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oh do yall have any tips for asterius' rush at 40% fo other than having speed/dash boons or ones that slow him down? or using a call to stun him or go invincible. if i dont have any of those things in my pocket he hits me pretty much every time unless im lucky enough to be veryyyy far away wen he starts and even then

tight basin
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uh

ruby siren
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sometimes it seems like i can make him run into a pillar but i think he kind of just does that wen he feels like it lol

tight basin
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apart from blocking with a shield, you wanna dash through him so he runs through you into a pillar/wall

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or dash through a pillar so he hits it

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he has to get pretty close to the pillar/wall so he doesn't uturn i think

ruby siren
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do we know fs if that's a matter of lining it up just right? bc sometimes ill be running in a straight line towards the pillar w a good amount of breadth leading up, dash straight thru, & he still kind of goes around it whereas other times i kind of half-as it & he still bangs into it

vagrant crane
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asterius?

ruby siren
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half-asterius

tight basin
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i'd assume he was far enough that he can go around it

vagrant crane
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sometimes he does go around but just like

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dash through it again

ruby siren
tight basin
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you wanna dash through as late as possible

vagrant crane
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i mean really

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if you dashed through it once

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just like

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reverse your movement keys

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and press space one more time

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foolproof strategy!

tight basin
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gonna be honest, by strategy has always been unga bunga

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i dont remember what i do the majority of the time

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i'm infected with speedrunner brain

ruby siren
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lol yall are hilarious

tight basin
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i mean straight up, i think i just eat the charge lmao

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i dont remember what i do to dodge it

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which could mean that i just dont and end up taking the damage

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i remember trying for pillar or wall but got smacked instead

vagrant crane
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idk like

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let me see what i did in my 50 run

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back when i knew how to dodge

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I GOT STUBBORN ROOTS C34?

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ok

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omg i dont meg them

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oh yeah

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tahts a good example

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watch for like 7 seconds

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and then i eat one cause im out of dashes lol

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oh and then another one

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yeah

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theres a few of these

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because this fights is super long lol

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oh my god

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this run is so fake

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stubborn roots saves my ass

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i need to do a real actual run

tight basin
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i don't have a 50 heat recorded lmao

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i should do that

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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42000??

ruby siren
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THATS WAT IT SAID

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maybe i trip

vagrant crane
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thats probably two numbers next to each other

tight basin
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The highest realistically that's doable is like 10k lmao

ruby siren
vagrant crane
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thats clockets dmg

tight basin
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And that's only on em4 phase 3 when he has no bubbles

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Yeah

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Or trippy beo

vagrant crane
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hazard doesnt hit that

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oh i meant like raíl

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but yea

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trippy beo too

tight basin
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I was talking like general damage numbers

ruby siren
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almost believed it for a sec

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bc hazard bomb gives such a crazy percentage

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wait. okay now im back to thinking it's real xD but that would be like all his hp

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iguess the 42 is ever so slightly smaller than the 504 but it's lined up so perfectly hahaha

vagrant crane
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lol yeah thats 42 and 504

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nope

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423 and 504

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maybe 427

ruby siren
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lol u should troll ppl w that pic

vagrant crane
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probably simultaneous atk and special hit

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clay pigeon shooting

ruby siren
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definitely that lol

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but shh just tell ppl ur dps is that goated it's about as believable to me as <5 min runs

tight basin
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Tbh the less believable part is that it isn't a crit lol

last dirge
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Yeah

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I can imagine like idk 8k?

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Maybe less. What does it do exactly again?

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It's a 200% base damage increase?

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So like 60 to 240 base?

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Nvm just fact checking.

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300%

ruby siren
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hazard? 500% right?>

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o 3

vagrant crane
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240 base

last dirge
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Yeah

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With some sample boons/items I'm getting a fairly strange build that gets 5k+ crits

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That is with heart rend, making it kinda weird

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On Eris, already having absorbed a special, with +100% from your Artemis Flourish, another +100% from Chaos, a +40% jerky, and FP.

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Could go higher but you would need mods at a certain point.

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And if you stood in this special, you would receive 264/265 damage

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Most likely one shotting you

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So really you should just not do it on Eris

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Does Hazard stack with Cluster?

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Nah. Too bad.

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Devs are scared of clazard bomb

ruby siren
ruby siren
tight basin
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So like a 1000 damage hazard bomb is gonna deal 10 damage

last dirge
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Ah 1% so only 52/53 damage lol

tight basin
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Tbf the enemy should be dead

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So a worthy trade

last dirge
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I imagine with some amazing Chaos luck and spawns/ix you could reach like 8k?

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That's with SD

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Probably better to use SD with this build. Damage is less permanent.

tight basin
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Gonna be a fat crit

last dirge
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Yeah

tight basin
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I mean tbf any damage number is possible with Rd lol

last dirge
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Numbskull strays out

tight basin
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And ichors

last dirge
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Yeah true

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This is all before rd because of that

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Probably shouldnt have even included the jerky

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But with enough of those, probably 10k sure

tight basin
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Movespeed being multiplicative makes other % modifiers basically irrelevant lmao

last dirge
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Higher is getting a bit miraculous.

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What other % modifiers?

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Jerky is irrelevant?

tight basin
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Like say Aphrodite special

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Or jerkies

last dirge
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Ah

tight basin
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Considering how high you can stack movement speed, it's a lot less useful compared to ichors

last dirge
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Heart rend still matters though right?

tight basin
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Yeah probably

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Because crit damage is calced afterwards

last dirge
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I'd even say try for clean kill

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If you want the biggest number its probably worth the slot

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Probably even worth pomming once or twice

tight basin
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How practical is heart rend here considering you wanna one shot them so you have to rely on pp lmao

last dirge
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Say to reach 5x crit damage

tight basin
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Oh wait the revenge weak boon thing

last dirge
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Its using Artemis special

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Yeah exactly

tight basin
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Get smacked first and then samck them I guess

last dirge
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And the burst boon

tight basin
last dirge
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Dying lament

tight basin
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Well it does damahe tho

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So like

last dirge
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Even passion dash

tight basin
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Technically not a one shot

last dirge
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Fair

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Also ruins fp

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Not huge but still

tight basin
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Just crit lol

last dirge
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Not really aiming for a one shot. Just the biggest damage

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Yeah

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You will get one eventually if the goal is just a screencap

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Build is strong enough

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The run I posted in #h1-victory-boasting would have been good for some well abuse. I had 4 rerolls going into Styx.

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Chose Distant Memory instead because it seems like the legitimate best keepsake for Beo special with Charged Flight and Dread Flight

shell mortar
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Is it generally better to go for daedalus hammer or chaos?

tight basin
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In Tartarus/asphodel probably hammer
Early hammers don't show up that often compared to hammers in Elysium
If you're not running dark foresight, you're likely to not get another hammer until like late ely

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Mostly depends tho lol

vagrant crane
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is life without df that bad

tight basin
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From a speed perspective, always chaos tho

vagrant crane
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but idk

tight basin
vagrant crane
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chaos wont necessarily pop back up

tight basin
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You don't need chaos

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Most of the time

vagrant crane
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yea ig

gleaming berry
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I preffer chaos in the first stage. But it depends of the weapon I am going with

last dirge
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But like banana said early on just go for the hammer often unless you intend to do some micro routing

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Like what I do often is if I got a bad hammer, I will use some routing and rng manipulation principles to see if I can get a different hammer somewhere else while preserving what I want from the run so far.

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That's obviously kinda advanced and can be annoying, but it's an option.

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Really the main thing I will skip Chaos for is a boon room necessary for a duo I need, so a prereq or more importantly the duo itself, and like Eurydice or Patroclus if you are struggling.

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Even if you dont get damage from Chaos, boon rarity can be incredible

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Especially early and if you can take several more Chaos Gates

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Combined with Eurydice you can pretty easily get epic Hermes boons

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But you mostly want rarity boons super early.

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You can get cast stones, you can get huge hp boosts

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I got an 80 hp boost on my hazard bomb crit build last night. Really helped.

warm snow
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having trouble choosing

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ToSD or jerky?

tight basin
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touch of styx dark

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also what happened to the heat number

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also where's your attack lmao

warm snow
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aph gave me garbage

strange lark
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blue and purple lunges kinda attack

tight basin
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i mean true

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but also like

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where's the atk lmfao

warm snow
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yeah i'm doing like 330

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still i'd like to get something decent

tight basin
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tosd anyways

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safety kinda good

warm snow
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k

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thought

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ok wow

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568 with fiery and bonuses

plain river
warm snow
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i thought aph was gonna give me an attack

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well . . . there we go

vagrant crane
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whar

warm snow
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it's happened before but never with an AP1 effect

vagrant crane
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you quit out right

proper furnace
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Quit out moment

warm snow
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mhm

gilded kayak
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hey anyone know how hoarding slash works with like damage calculation. like does it add it to the base damage and then % damage bonuses are added to it or does it just get added on top of everything after the fact. i checked teh wiki it didnt really specify and it didnt seem to fit the criteria as a daedalus upgrade that replaces the weapons move. so idk

vagrant crane
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even rd i think

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drunken dash best boon would know but o well

gilded kayak
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rd?

vagrant crane
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rush delivery

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so hoarding slash just doesn't take global damage either

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it's pretty useless

gilded kayak
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ah

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well thanks for the info

gilded kayak
vagrant crane
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so like

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here's the thing

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you have hoarding slash

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you get

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say

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2000 gold

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that's a hefty chunk of change

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that's 100 base damage added on

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now that doesn't sound too bad

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until you consider you could really easily be dealing that with double edge instead

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and some decent % and global

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which hoarding is just not affected by

gilded kayak
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but cant u have both?

vagrant crane
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you can

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but

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either you start hoarding

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in which case your damage sucks until ely and it will suck after unless you get the 25% highroll

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or you start dedge

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in which case

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you cant guarantee hoarding

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so theres a 75% chance you save your cash for nothing

gilded kayak
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sadge

tight basin
vagrant crane
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it's 5% of your cash

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which is not very much

tight basin
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and like jazz said, double edge is just more consistent

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and lets you have money to work with, which can go a long way

vagrant crane
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yeah

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money is good

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i mean'

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even if you go for the saving all your stuff angle

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that means you can just

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buy out styx shop

gilded kayak
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but then no more monies :(

tight basin
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the only time i'd say hoarding slash is gonna be good if you're doing a haelian meme run where you get like 9k gold lmao

vagrant crane
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man it's so weird i am now physically incapable of doing a slow run for fun

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luckily i can do a fast run for fun

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so i'm good

tight basin
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so might as well use it lmao

vagrant crane
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but like

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i see shop vs boon and i take it

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i think speedrunning has been overall detrimental to my ability to like not die to the enemies who are on the screen

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because i will just go in

tight basin
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yeah speedrunning does that

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when i did my hestia 40 or whatever it was, i kept getting smacked in dad fight because of speedrunner brain

vagrant crane
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lol

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the rail is a melee weapon went too far

tight basin
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i still won but like it didn't have to be like that lmao

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i think i burned acorn in phase 1

vagrant crane
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lmfao

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i remember i did a 5hit dad once

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acorn dead full hp

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i dont think i could do that now if i tried

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although i might overestimate my father at fo0

tight basin
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i've had a 3 hit dad fight iirc

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yeah just let hunting blades do the work lmao

vagrant crane
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vicious cycle pulling no weight 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

tight basin
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oh based my first sub10 was a 5 hit dad fight lmao

last dirge
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Demeter so cold

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I wanted to get her lego on Zeus

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You just need so many boons and she just doesnt show up

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Does she have different chances?

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Or is this a weird confirmation bias?

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Because she always says she is holding out

lucid oar
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She has loads of tier 2s

last dirge
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Yeah

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I'm hoping she is a little more useful and accessible in Hades II

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The run basically devolved into a heroic thunder dash swap run.

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I got important boons I guess, flourish revenge and blast, but I hung onto her keepsake until Styx and she never appeared.

#

I really dedicated myself to it.

inner whale
#

Man, I really underestimated how dangerous those green pots are during the Hades fight when you turn on the trap damage heat

#

Shame too, I had such a fun Poseidon Demeter Zeus shield build

grand zenith
proper furnace
#

150 dmg pots moment

tight basin
#

dad pot moment

jade gale
#

just get sure footing (sarcasm) also only untill 40% OT EM4 combos you to death after you step on the trap anyway

vagrant crane
#

fun fact

#

it's actually 44% forced overtime

jade gale
#

classic video game / programming number discrepancies

dire furnace
#

Is Artemis or Aphrodite attack better for Hestia Rail?

vagrant crane
#

more consistent

grand zenith
#

Artie and Aunt ‘Dite are the best duo I swear.

tight basin
#

i'd assume speed in general tho, like attack and projectile speed, but not entirely sure on that

jade gale
#

but yeah I more mean number descriptions being inaccurate lol

#

OT reads 40% and not 1.2x twice or however you want to notate that

#

but hm, TIL it's multiplicative and not additive

#

I'd assume hyper sprint and second wind would stack after Greater haste then

#

interesting

proper furnace
#

mov speed being multiplicative is always so funny

#

the best way to see is its the eris route

vagrant crane
#

but RD will only take the highest temp movespeed source into account

tight basin
#

this also works lmao

jade gale
#

not that this is very useful information at all but hey

tight basin
#

there's just like

#

a lot of bugs that are hard to notice lmao

#

unless you specifically look at numbers and calc stuff

proper furnace
tight basin
#

lmao yeah

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maybe it's one of those loud keyboards

#

or the mic is right next to it

warm snow
#

zoom

tight basin
#

uh

#

dad call is one

#

hold on

warm snow
#

oooh

tight basin
#

swind, haste, and 3 ichors

#

epic swind and haste

#

so like a lot of extra movement speed lmao

warm snow
#

oh swind

vagrant crane
#

dad call is sprint at home for greater delivery

last dirge
#

Gdi my switch isnt saving screenshots

#

Got the demeter lego on Gilgamesh

#

And other goodies like Sea Storm for tdash, Smouldering Air and Zeus call

#

Thanks to +69% rare+ boon chance

#

Taking those can totally be worth it if you arent given the dmg you want. I got 2 of those and 1 epic attack at the end.

#

Ix luck and using Egg

last dirge
#

Next run up: I'm thinking Thunder Flare, Lightning Rod

tight basin
#

thunder flare kinda bad

last dirge
#

It needs cshot and ironically big bolts

#

It fixes the area problem a lot

vagrant crane
#

worst fds possible

#

just run a gilga thunder dash only run that sounds more fun

last dirge
#

That isn't massive bolts

vagrant crane
#

than dealing with the nonsense

vagrant crane
last dirge
#

I even got Perfect Recall

#

I used Plume in Elysium with ambrosia delight or whatever

#

Yeah high voltage

#

The bolt hits a random area in a certain radius

#

High voltage makes it basically always hit in the same area

#

Cshot makes it easier to control too + its cshot

#

It's a silly bolt build

#

Stronger high voltage makes it increase until it hits the max area I think

#

Basically just get epic

lucid oar
#

Double strike is key

opal tundra
#

Aspect of Gilgamesh
Deflect on strike
Doom on special
Get merceful end
Cast Demeter
Dash, Aphrodite, zeus or Dionysus either works
Hammer: Colossus knuckles and explosive knuckle or long knuckle
Call: Demeter, zeus or Artemis

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Is this good?

lucid oar
#

Better to have doom on attack, athena on special and dash

opal tundra
#

Why?

grand zenith
#

@lucid oar

lucid oar
#

You can dash strike a lot more frequently than specialling and dashing

#

This means more doom procs

spring dune
#

Currently I have couple perks on hunter homing cast which make it the best way to handle squishy enemies.

Just dash, spam thrice, collect and repeat. Tanky folks are then no problem

It's fun. Cast usually doesn't interest me past 50% bonus dmg on pinged enemies like bosses.

I also had fun with poisedons cast. Does a lot of dmg and splash makes it even easier to aim under pressure than this homing one

When I had it with extra dmg from knocking into walls it essentially allowed me to Bully minibosses in ahxy

opal tundra
coral peak
#

hiya! So ive reached a point where ive cleared 5 times, once on all weapons except bow (skill issue) and was wondering how I should go about enabling heat? Are theres ones that significantly harder than others or just a general baseline. I suffer a lot with choice paralysis and its kinda overwhelming!

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I personally dont care much for challenge, mostly want more titan blood to mess with builds more

valid dagger
#

Ones to avoid are basically Routine Inspection and Calisthenics Program. Other bad ones exist which are the ones I didn't mention in the first message but they are manageable, however there is a reason why they're not recommended early on.

coral peak
#

Thank you very much! This will help when trying to select which conditions to use!

tight basin
# opal tundra Ah

adding on to what he said, you're gonna want athena's dash so you can proc the doom more often. dash strike into enemies for faster damage. also demeter cast kinda bad lmao
can't get long knuckle on gilga either

opal tundra
#

Rip

glossy arrow
#

What are good builds for hera?

tight basin
#

crush shot

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snow burst from demeter is good for general aoe

#

and pstatus if you want to use it, but top players dont use pstatus

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that's pretty much it

opal tundra
#

Pstatus

tight basin
#

you can go for mirage shot if you happen to see the arty and pos but it's whatever lmao

opal tundra
#

??

tight basin
#

privileged status

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mirror perk

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40% more damage to enemies inflicted with 2 status conditions

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weak, chill, exposed, doom, jolted, hangover, marked, shoals

opal tundra
#

What's pstatus

tight basin
#

i just explained it

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pstatus is privileged status

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privileged status

opal tundra
#

Ohhh

glossy arrow
#

Aww man, so close to new pb

weary gazelle
#

Hey is it better to improve the skills you have? Or to get as many as possible?

tight basin
#

Depends what you wanna do

#

If you just wanna play casually and have general fun, getting a lot so you can be versatile is good

#

Pick up something and enjoy it rather than having to bang your head against a wall and learn it

#

If you wanna focus on like heat or speed, getting good at fewer things is gonna give you better results faster

#

Basically maining like 1-3 aspects

warm snow
#

or did you mean mirror?

last dirge
#

Do you mean skills as in like your personal gaming capacity, or like boons?

#

Both have varying answers. Banana answered the first. If you mean boons then you usually want to stay minimal and only take certain boons that contribute to your build or add damage or something else useful. You might even just hold onto 1 boon from a God like Premium Vintage from Dio to get the Family Favorite dmg.

#

But there are times where you can get away with building a little more and aiming for more duos and such

#

Both require some experience to pull off well. For now just go with your reasonable decision making.

#

Ask for help on that if you need.

#

And in general probably keep boons low

#

That's easier and more reliable overall

#

Just practice slimming down and purging the right boons

#

Purge wells are a good thing and using them can help with obols, especially in Styx where a lot can show up and you have the Styx shop.

#

Or if you get lucky earlier, before a shop

#

Or if you get forced to take something bad.

tight basin
#

or selling a boon because it opened an unwanted duo

last dirge
#

Yeah that kinda stuff will result in better builds with more concentrated poms

inner whale
#

Lost four lives to projectiles even though I had Divine dash, strike, and flourish. Never thought it could be done.

Also I hate Theseus, and he is by far the most difficult fight for me

proud sand
#

YES

#

HES THE WORST

flint flame
#

guys do you have easy builds for hades, i play fist and bow (highest heat 12)

lucid oar
#

Check pins

flint flame
#

nvm

vagrant crane
#

fists you can do ME

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it’s complicated to get up kinda

#

but immense

#

or just like start zeus and win

flint flame
vagrant crane
#

and ares attack kinda sucks without ME

flint flame
#

what is ME?

vagrant crane
#

merciful end

flint flame
#

ive been playing crush shot hera bow and dyonsus chiron bow

vagrant crane
#

crush shot hera is fun

flint flame
#

so zues is best on fist

vagrant crane
#

no

flint flame
#

why is family favourite better?

vagrant crane
#

the theoretical best is definitely ME

flint flame
#

25 percent compared to 40 seems worse no

vagrant crane
#

zeus is just a bit more consistent although dio is even more consistent but just worse dmg

vagrant crane
flint flame
#

not really

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for me at least

vagrant crane
#

it requires either a t2 or taking a boon you don’t want

#

for instance

#

in an ME build

flint flame
#

just get a dash and an attack dash to opponent and attack

#

athena you can make it so that the dash makes enemys exposed

vagrant crane
#

the only way you get uptime for PS would be blinding flash

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which is a t2 boon

#

and you already have a quadrillion boons to get

#

so adding another to the pile is bad

#

also like

#

family favorites works from c1 most of the time

#

pstatus takes a much longer time to get up

flint flame
#

you can also run family status and just forget about it

#

so

#

yeah

#

so what is a good build for the fist?

#

whats a t2 boon and what is c1? i dont understand hades teminology

#

@vagrant crane

vagrant crane
#

tier two boon

#

has a prerequisite

#

c1 is chamber 1

flint flame
#

oh ok

vagrant crane
#

tier of boon means like

#

so blinding flash is t2 because you need an athena core or holy whatever to get it

#

divine protection is t3 because you need one of those to get brilliant riposte and then you need riposte to get funnyorangeboon

flint flame
#

so athen dash -> and then the boon to make enemy exposed is t2?

vagrant crane
flint flame
#

ah ok

vagrant crane
#

most of the time you don’t wanna be relying on that many boons

flint flame
#

so what is a good fist build?

vagrant crane
#

merciful end ofc

#

zap fists is a thing too

#

or you can take drunken strike and pom it a lot

flint flame
#

merciful end is a pain in the ass to get up and running though

vagrant crane
#

well yeah

#

but then once you get it everything literally dies instantly from sheer terror

flint flame
#

what do you do if you dont get mc? pray to the lord?

vagrant crane
#

reset bouldy

flint flame
#

also artemis on chiron bow or dyonysus on chiron bow?

vagrant crane
#

using a different aspect on chiron bow bouldy

#

but dio works

#

better than most others you’d get if you can’t get conc volley

#

take aphrodite attack into asphodel and get low tolerance

flint flame
#

what aspect on the fist would be best, im playing demeter right now

vagrant crane
#

and just pom three flourish

#

demeter yea

flint flame
#

do you have an easy build that shreds?

vagrant crane
#

do you have hidden aspects yet

flint flame
#

some weapons, guan yu, and galgamesh

vagrant crane
#

shield?

flint flame
#

dont think so

vagrant crane
#

oh

#

well

flint flame
#

isnt chaos sheild with ares good?

vagrant crane
#

no

#

chaos shield is useless

#

well

flint flame
#

i tried it and it sucks

vagrant crane
#

it’s good because it’s a shield

#

but the aspect bonus is useless

flint flame
#

isnt chaos the one that shoots out bonus sheilds

vagrant crane
#

the special should be pressed 0 times

vagrant crane
flint flame
#

how do you get the hidden aspect for sheild and what is the easy build for it?

#

i dont like rama aspect its yucky

vagrant crane
#

take poseidon’s cast, find artemis attack, get the mirage shot duo and pom the cast a lot

vagrant crane
vagrant crane
#

it’s extremely punishing

flint flame
#

any builds for higher/ high heat?

vagrant crane
#

what heat

flint flame
#

my highest rn is 12 but im going to eventually try and do 16 and 32

#

gonna work my way up so i can farm the titan blood

vagrant crane
#

up to like 25 most low heat builds will work because 25 is 0 but at 32 you need more of a decentish build if you want an easier win without a lot of mechanical skill

flint flame
vagrant crane
#

idk i do whatever

#

for heat i just do hestia with heartbreak strike mostly

#

worked up to 50 and now i don’t play heat anymore wmicletsgo

flint flame
#

you've done 50 heat

vagrant crane
#

yea

flint flame
#

dayum

#

what weapon you play/

vagrant crane
#

i mean i play whatever recently

#

played a lot of hestia and beo

#

some axhilles

#

and i just got a sub7 on nem accidentally

flint flame
#

what is nem

vagrant crane
#

nemesis sword

flint flame
#

what do you think easiest weapon is?

vagrant crane
#

shield

#

block ez

flint flame
#

i dont like sheild

vagrant crane
#

it is very easy

#

just hold the button and point the thing at the attack and u are good 2 go

flint flame
#

what weapon is hestia?

#

railgun?

#

@vagrant crane

vagrant crane
#

rail

#

it needs to be at least level 3 to be good which is 7 blood

#

but it is super good

tight basin
#

All are good for up to 40

#

Ofc some are easier than others, but it's easier to stick with what you know

spare holly
#

Zeus shield with lots of zeus boons is strong and a lot of fun (bonus points for duos like smoldering air, sea storm)

tight basin
#

cold fusion is pretty useless if you're always applying jolted lol

spare holly
#

Zag bow with artemis attack is simple but good, throw in heart rend and its a good time, and upgrades pretty cheaply too

#

Fair, I think it's funny though

warm snow
#

esp with EM3

spare holly
#

Zapping theseus a million times shadesmile

tight basin
tight basin
#

ice wine pos sword really feels like beo at home

#

also why does hunters dash not open mirage shot lmao

vagrant crane
warm snow
#

idk

#

i meant the gun

warm snow
proper furnace
#

Mirage isn't even crit related

tight basin
#

Yeah exactly lmao

#

Mirage just exists

#

I wanted to replace mistral dash with heroic hunters dash but that doesn open mirage lmao

#

I didn't get mirage anyways but still

warm snow
turbid needle
#

Is there a leveling guide like the one pinned but includes hidden aspects?

vagrant crane
#

uh

#

nyaanyaa did one at some point but just like

#

guan yu sucks at level 1 and is good at lvl 5

#

gilga sucks

#

arthur is eh at all levels

#

rama is pretty good at lvl 1 to amazing at lvl 5 but is the hardest aspect to get just decent at

#

luci is fine at lvl 1 to super good at lvl 5

#

and beo is the best aspect in the game at any level

proven osprey
#

well these are some takes

vagrant crane
#

the only miffy one would be arthur i guess

tight basin
#

hidden sword: A→S
hidden spear: F→A
hidden shield: S→SS
hidden bow: S→S
hidden fists: C→C
hidden rail: A→S

this is what nyaanyaa had

#

i'm pretty sure the tier list is catered towards newer players? not entirely sure on that

proven osprey
#

Guan Yu's strength has nothing to with its level, the hp is the only difference. Of course it's significant but the aspect does not get better exactly.
Rama is amazing and does not drive itself for sure but it's not the hardest at all. Being good at Malphon (especially EM4) is tough and the hardest aspect is Zeus, not even close.
Beo is both great for heat and speed but Zeus reigns supreme for heat

vagrant crane
#

????

tight basin
#

tbf i think the only reason why guan yu is rated so low is that a lot of newer players don't have that much experience with the game so the health penalty is a lot

vagrant crane
#

having 15 starting health kinda bad?

#

rama is definitely harder than fists

#

fists are the most turn your brain off weapon

tight basin
#

so like damage/build wise it's still the same as max level, but like usability wise it starts off pretty bad

proven osprey
#

Ok

vagrant crane
#

and beo is better than zeus unless you are doing extremely high heat

proven osprey
#

that statement does not make any sense

#

"Beo is better than Zeus for heat except when it's really high"

#

lmao

vagrant crane
#

yea?

#

like

#

you're gonna have an easier time at 50 heat with beo

#

you're gonna have an easier time at probably up to like 55 or something really

proven osprey
vagrant crane
#

okay but high heat rama is not easy?

#

and like

proven osprey
#

never said that

vagrant crane
#

i said to just get decent at

#

fists are way easier to achieve a baseline level of competence with

proven osprey
#

being decent at Rama is easy

vagrant crane
#

no it isn't lol

#

i have a 5:27 and a 50 heat clear and i couldnt sub10 rama after like 3 tries

tight basin
#

wasn't the initial question just "is there a hidden aspect leveling guide" lmao this isn't very relevant

tight basin
vagrant crane
#

eh

#

most aspects sub10 is pretty easy

tight basin
#

and not many people do that

#

like tbh you can half ass rama pretty easily

vagrant crane
#

rama is just rlly punishing because u cant get hit

tight basin
#

it's when you start pushing for time or heat where you actually have to be more mindful with rama, but tbf that's every aspect lol

#

granted you have to be more mindful on rama than some other ones, but like

#

half assing rama isn't too difficult

vagrant crane
#

well really the easy of rama comes from holding q

tight basin
#

partly lol

vagrant crane
#

so i guess it's more the baseline competence of using the mouse 1 button

proven osprey
#

The skill ceiling is super high

tight basin
#

idk about 50 heat tho

#

i feel like you gotta at least like

#

3/4 ass it lmao

proven osprey
#

I consider myself pretty trash at Rama and I got 50

#

it's basically game knowledge

tight basin
#

that's true

proven osprey
#

Rama is all about your position

#

You enter a room special twice, shred everything and repeat

#

so your experience from other aspects should carry over especially if you're a melee specialist

#

Have to be mindful of some traps ofc, like always going for a powershot isn't the greatest idea

last dirge
#

Position and knowing your dmg

#

There are times where you dont need special if you know your dmg

#

Or even power shots

#

Good hammers help immensely

proven osprey
#

I'm basically only considering heat but yeah

last dirge
#

Rama has natural aoe clear

tight basin
last dirge
#

I'm considering heat too

#

Rama is the main thing I've done heat on

proven osprey
#

heat is DC2 so you have to special

last dirge
#

Sure if you bring DC2 you do

proven osprey
#

one of the best aspects at handling it, would be a shame

tight basin
#

like i'd say rama is prob one of the harder aspects to learn but at the same time you can get away with not being too great at it because of how inherently strong it is

last dirge
#

Yeah

#

That makes it easy to get into imo if you can just figure out what it's all about

#

Like I imagine a lot of hate for it is because of standing strikes

proven osprey
last dirge
#

With dash strikes power shots arent that slow

#

That's a major thing about learning bow

#

Standing strikes suck

tight basin
#

they're kinda slow still but like more mangable lmao

last dirge
#

Unless it's like flurry ig

#

Yeah

#

They're slow but not impossible to use often

#

Ofc then FO2 makes timing much harder

#

Rama should have gotten a hammer like Unyielding Defence

#

Sturdy for that long would be incredible on Rama

tight basin
#

yeah it's repulse shot lmfao

last dirge
#

Repulse shot is Sturdy at home

proven osprey
#

lmao

tight basin
#

yeah sounds about right

vagrant crane
#

oh yeah hyper sprint does that i forgot

last dirge
#

Yeah but not for long considering Rama

#

Does help ig

#

Just 3 whole seconds of it would actually matter on Rama

vagrant crane
#

i mean

#

given it triggeres on dash

#

and you dash strike

last dirge
#

Its only 0.7s max

vagrant crane
#

pretty sure you still get it

tight basin
#

the sturdy from hyper sprint isn't enough to be useful on rama consistently

vagrant crane
#

zagcry

last dirge
#

A power shot dash strike takes longer than that probably

#

So it's going to be even worse on lower HS rarities

proven osprey
#

useful as in, trying to get hit while being sturdy? lol

last dirge
#

Sturdy prevents you from being interrupted

tight basin
#

i feel like power shotting on a normal bow is longer than epic hyper sprint duration anyways lmao

vagrant crane
last dirge
#

The dmg reduction is just secondary here

tight basin
last dirge
#

The point is to basically face tank a bit for a power shot

tight basin
#

dash into the shot, dash out of the shot for RD

last dirge
#

Like face tank some numbskulls or projectiles or flame wheels

proven osprey
#

yeah RD is weird on Rama

last dirge
#

Yea

#

I prefer extra dashes tbh

proven osprey
last dirge
#

Better positioning, better range

#

You power shot enemies that could spawn with them

#

Like louts and the big chariots

proven osprey
#

yeah

last dirge
#

Potentially at least

proven osprey
#

the uses are like, so narrow

vagrant crane
#

i mean on numbskulls and flame wheels on any heat you just like

#

press q

#

and they are dead

last dirge
#

You just have sturdy so the faster enemies dont interrupt you

proven osprey
#

even then I'd rather sacrifice a powershot rather than getting hit

#

You just try again

last dirge
#

True special handles them

#

You could just special volley longer

#

Long sturdy would just actually be kinda useful on Rama vs Beo

#

Where on Beo it's just damage reduction usually

#

Still useful but doesnt help you kill stuff

#

On Rama sturdy would help kill stuff

#

Like Unyielding on Beo is what, a B tier hammer? Maybe high C? Something similar would be A on Rama

#

That doesnt depend on releasing early shots

#

I mean you still wouldnt want the hammer

#

You want twin/triple/pb

#

But still

proven osprey
#

"Congratulations, you're the strongest hammer I'd never go for"

last dirge
#

Rama deserves better hammers.

#

Basically

#

Like it used to have the ricochet special as a hammer

#

Then they upgraded it and made that inherent iirc

#

And only left the worst of the unique hammers it had

#

May have had a 3rd unique hammer too. I forget.

#

Rama is like the math/breakpoints aspect

#

Really high skill cap in that. You want to know exactly how long to charge to kill a group. That has so many aspects to it, it takes a lot to get a handle on that.

#

I'm not even great at it. It's just what I used to find comfortable for higher heat, and was always up for a casual EM4 with it.

#

Now I'm very rusty.

vagrant crane
#

not including cshot ofc

#

because best is fero guard

#

best if you're tasbot is sudden rush

#

granted like

#

ok maybe 5th

#

granted like beo 2nd hammer is pretty uselss

ivory turtle
#

Hey, so I'm trying merciful end on gilga for the first time. I'm just waiting to get the actual duo and I'm at Athena where I have Epic dash and blinding, so I'm wondering if I should reroll to get ME or go with one of those?

vagrant crane
ivory turtle
#

Makes sense! Wasn't sure if that was the take or not lol

#

Thanks :))

vagrant crane
#

although ddash is the boon where rarity matters the least in the entire game

ivory turtle
#

Yeah, isn't base damage 10 and epic 14?

tight basin
#

ddash damage is irrelevant lmao

ivory turtle
#

Ye

#

Ughhhhh I have only two dice and my first reroll didn't give me ME and I'm in Ely

#

I could take blinding for privileged status

#

I'll do that I guess lol

proper furnace
#

Priv status gaming dusa

ivory turtle
#

WOO

#

Maybe I'll get it in styx

proper furnace
#

Lmao

#

I though your woo from earlier was that you got it

ivory turtle
#

That makes sense lol, I was just wooing for priv status

#

Oh my gosh my RNG is not happy

proper furnace
#

For ME you really shouldn't use priv status btw

#

Or in general

ivory turtle
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Really??

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Huh

proper furnace
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Yeah

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For ME you already need lots of boons

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You are making it harder on yourself by needing another one to even proc it

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And on other builds is basically the same

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Sometimes your main boons wont have an easy curse and you need to go out of your way to pick another curse

ivory turtle
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OH MY GOSH I GOT IT

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Unfortunately I can't get impending

last dirge
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Yeah dont aim for too much

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That Heroic End Deadly Reversal build I got in victory chat is a miracle

ivory turtle
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That makes sense tho

last dirge
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You're unlikely to get heroic doom + ME