h1-builds-and-combat

[tight basin]

based

[ivory turtle]

this is c9

what the crap

[tight basin]

i mean that's fairly normal

[plain river]

Now just hit ddash and impending doom

[tight basin]

easy

[ivory turtle]

oof

I didn't get me in that chamber despite rerolling once for each

BUT I got it at charon so we good

[vagrant crane]

ant get duo in trial

cant

[ivory turtle]

wait really??? oh I'm dumb

[ivory turtle]

I appreciate that bit of knowledge, now I won't waste two keys on it lolll

*dicew

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495334999604592661/1084623934038749244/20230312174623_1.jpg

:DDD

[tight basin]

nice level 3 epic doom lol

[vagrant crane]

nice

fully loaded? whats' that

[tight basin]

should've used greater reflex instead of ruthless btw, more dash strikes means more damage output

it's also just better in general

[last dirge]

Gotta post some of my runs soon. Had a solid Talos CoD and then Talos meme beams which were super effective.

+2 casts from chaos for a total of 3, 14 second duration beams

Common glacial glare but I got it pommed

I tried to get Fully Loaded but skipping Artemis a bit to get the meme beams instead of the good beams made that too unlikely.

Still, they did a ton of dmg, and I had +3 dashes to really set up a lot of intersections.

And a +60% cast boon from Chaos too. All good Chaos boons.

Meme beams = aphro and demeter duo btw

[ivory turtle]

Tbh I struggle with using dash strikes

[last dirge]

That's fair. It takes practice and aim can be hard

I'm struggling coming back

What builds have your tried.

[ivory turtle]

Like I use them?? but i don't like going too ham lol

I've tried a lot actually

A lot of meme builds

[last dirge]

They're legit. Just sometimes hard to pull off.

[ivory turtle]

I'm considering doing chaos shield sea storm lol

[last dirge]

Double Edge is broken

Especially on Nemesis

Dash strike builds can be solid on Arthur too, but they arent the focus there.

Also had a solid Arthur run recently.

[plain river]

Not broken

It’s just the best sword hammer

[plain river]

No meme beams is just dem cast

[ivory turtle]

Wait question

[plain river]

or at least the name for it

[ivory turtle]

with Chaos you don't want dread flight right?

[plain river]

meme beams is usually used in reference to using beams at all

Chaos wants charged shot

Chaos avoids using the special

[ivory turtle]

wait why?

[plain river]

because it’s just throwing your shield away for dps loss

[ivory turtle]

ahhhhhhh

[plain river]

Chaos doesn’t do a great job with it’s gimmick

[ivory turtle]

k so out of explosive return, dread flight and minotaur rush what should I take loll

I'm thinking explosive

[plain river]

Are you building around the special?

[ivory turtle]

I'm doing sea storm

So ish? Basically I want pretty much everything I do to make sparks lol

[plain river]

Idk if I’d take any in specific

[ivory turtle]

I'll do dread flight for the heck of it

maybe it'll work well with sea storm, we'll see loll

ayyo I'm being so blessed

I just got zeus right after

k, thunder dash or lightning strike

[lucid oar]

can you reroll

also i would have taken explosive return 100%

wait you want sea storm dont you

take dash

[ivory turtle]

yeah I want sea storm

[lucid oar]

dash is better than attack because it unlocks double strike

[ivory turtle]

yeah I have regrets but also why not take the path less traveled lol

[lucid oar]

which is bugged with sea storm

making it better

[ivory turtle]

oooh good to know!!

[last dirge]

If you want a funny sea storm build, do rama special

Chaos shield isnt great for this imo

You can also do Lucifer attack and eternal chamber

[ivory turtle]

ooooh that would be fun

I put dashing flight on there and this is actually pretty funny ngl

now here's the real question, do I take lightning rod or high voltage

actually that's not hard, high voltage seems obvious

[proper furnace]

R o d is funnier

[ivory turtle]

I don't cast at all with this lol

WAIT

u rite tho it is funni

do I go for the meme

yknow what I go for the meme

[proper furnace]

if you want peak rod usage try to pick aphro cast

its short range allows to place the cast exactly where you want

[cunning urchin]

You can do that with any Cast by just throwing at the boss while they're phasing.

[vagrant crane]

arty cast rod

[ivory turtle]

I just finished ely

And uhh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495334999604592661/1084637530273628240/20230312184128_1.jpg

I have no more dd left 0_0

And I got hit literally last frame

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[ivory turtle]

I thought I died lolll

[tight basin]

just done die

[ivory turtle]

I will try to liiiive

[proper furnace]

but this uses aphro so its better

[cunning urchin]

Indeed.

But why go for Lightning Rod when you should be going for more Lady Aphrodite boons instead?

[ivory turtle]

because I like arty :>

anyway this build worked way more than it had any right to

It definitely wasn't optimal but it was so much fun loll

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495334999604592661/1084640981384691822/20230312185507_1.jpg

[last dirge]

If you want a fun Chaos build, I like Bad Influence

Dio special Artemis attack

Chaos shield is a good applicator for BI

It's a huge global dmg boost when 3 or more enemies have hangover

Not always active so worse than a lot of global damage sources, but it does handle crowds well.

And whenever Hades has summons and leaves invuln

It's also a fun Rama boon

Same build basically

Spread applicator special + high dmg (ranged) attack

[ivory turtle]

Ok, so I just looked at my fated list

what the crap am I supposed to do with this loadout???

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495334999604592661/1084644647831359528/20230312191024_1.jpg

[vagrant crane]

run trippy hera

[ivory turtle]

LOL

I just decided to try running arthur

Figured it would be good to mitigate the -50 life loss

Welp that did not go well

Trippy hera you say?

Let's do it

[proper furnace]

dont do them all at once

[ivory turtle]

:)

I've played for like 4 or 5 hourrs now I think so I'm actually done for the day loll\

[earnest helm]

Is Guann Yuh worth building

[opaque hollow]

No

Do one guan yu run then leave it alone forever

[vagrant crane]

yes

get charged skewer

[earnest helm]

Fair

expected

[last dirge]

guan yu is good

Its remarkably easy to play special only

[plain river]

Wrong

[plain river]

Yes

[earnest helm]

what's a good build for it then

[plain river]

Charged skewer + any +% special

Merciful End or Smair work well

[gilded wedge]

pull up the ol' guan yu guide

#h1-discussion message

[earnest helm]

is nyaanyaa a good player or sth

[plain river]

very

[earnest helm]

What did they do

[plain river]

?

[soft shoal]

they are asking what achievements nya has

I think it's a bunch of high speed high heat clears

[plain river]

I don’t have a list on me but yeah

High heat and speed

[earnest helm]

wow

he's good

[soft shoal]

she, and yeah

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit#gid=2008010284

[cyan badger]

Hey I’m new and I am not the best obviously and I’m looking for an good build that is easy to use

[vagrant crane]

HESTIA💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

use hestia, start with eternal rose, and take heartbreak strike

you now have the 1 boon you need to win the game

[cunning urchin]

Check pins for a great build guide.

[vagrant crane]

the guide does lack some clockets action imo

[cyan badger]

Ok thanks

[cyan badger]

WHERE IS IT I SEARCHED THE ENTIRE PINNED SECTION FOUR TIMES

[vagrant crane]

it's literally the second one down

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[cyan badger]

…

walks away from phone

screams

walks back

Thank you

[vagrant crane]

np

[tight basin]

Lmfao

[cyan badger]

I’m poor how get titan blood

[vagrant crane]

kill meg

with each wepaon

have you cleared yet

[cyan badger]

Ohhhhh

[vagrant crane]

if you're looking just on a weapon and not aspect basis

there's nyaanyaa's guide

[cyan badger]

I only killed her 2 times with shield both times

[vagrant crane]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883

[vagrant crane]

you get blood the first time you kill her with each weapon

[cyan badger]

I see

[vagrant crane]

yeah

but i'm pretty sure they haven't gotten there and that's a spoiler

[topaz walrus]

HOW IS THAT A SPOILER

BESIDES

" spoilers allowed "

[vagrant crane]

you have to clear the game

[topaz walrus]

get dunked on

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

[topaz walrus]

GET

DUNKED ON

[vagrant crane]

but i wasn't going to bring something up that someone who hasn't cleared yet doesn't care for

[tight basin]

new players can be in the wrong channel lmao

[topaz walrus]

its not any story spoilers

[vagrant crane]

it's not helpful to add that piece of information when someone hasn't cleared even the first time

[topaz walrus]

ugh whateverrr

[tight basin]

doesn't particularly matter, it'd still be a spoiler in #h1-for-new-players

[cyan badger]

From the time that it took my friends to get me to play and the time it took for me to buy it I already know a lot (about the gameplay etc,)

Dang I saw that

[topaz walrus]

not laughng at u

dw

[last dirge]

God I love GY Charged Skewer

One hammer and you win

I just tried for a Deadly Reversal build but got parting shot instead thanks to aphro call, twice.

Got epic RD on a common HS though

[earnest helm]

bro

i asked for a "sussy amogussy build!1!!1!" a long time ago and noone made it

jk

[last dirge]

Idk try a Lucifer snow burst cast build

Do Lucifer smair

Zeus attack aphro special zeus call

[opaque hollow]

Lucifer with zeus special

Self exploding bombs

[earnest helm]

it's good?

[opaque hollow]

Idk not really but its fun

[earnest helm]

time to become sussy amogus with lucifer than

[opaque hollow]

Lmaooo

[opaque hollow]

Probably go for sea storm as well

[unique mason]

What’s the best Achilles spear cast builds for high heat?

Also Rama bow

[soft shoal]

not sure how high you mean but I've found hunting blades to be pretty good

[proven osprey]

For high heat, the best is certainly Demeter's. With glacial glare and crystal clarity, you're virtually invincible if you play reasonably well.

However, having to get this boons reliably is another story... So if you wanna focus on the cast, you could go for hunting blade (which is doable until a certain point but past 50 that'd be rare)

[unique mason]

Up to 32 which I guess isn’t technically high heat

I’ve tried Demeters a lot and definitely struggle to get the right boons

[cunning urchin]

Have you read my Crystal Clarity guide? #h1-builds-and-combat message

[unique mason]

I had not seen that but I’ll give it a crack

[unique mason]

Well I had to change seed because Demeter wouldn’t offer crystal beam even with re rolls but the next one I followed the guide and I got crystal clarity and comfortably beat the next heat level

[cunning urchin]

Nice! Congrats!

[zealous brook]

I can't use companion while fighting hades?

🤔 i was pressing it idk if i used it or not

[cunning urchin]

You can use Shady and Rib since they don't work for him.

[zealous brook]

i see

[plain river]

Eventually you can use the others

[earnest helm]

i wish i can use an actual gun as my call

god of Florida's call

[whole tusk]

Aspect of Chiron build?

[vagrant crane]

start dio

take flourish

pom it a lot

take aphrodite into aspho

take heartbreak strike

look for their duo low tolerance

use privileged status in the mirror

[whole tusk]

okay thanks !!

[cunning urchin]

Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[ivory turtle]

Hmmm... What are y'alls favorite shield builds?

Regardless of aspect

[tight basin]

best shield is aspect of charged shot

[ivory turtle]

LOL

If I get charged shot, is it Zag aspect that benefits most would you say?

[plain river]

None of the non-beo aspects directly buff the cshot itself

but beo does give the +100% additive and size

[tight basin]

zag shield gives it more damage does it not

[vagrant crane]

no

[tight basin]

cringe

[plain river]

Only applies to standing and dash strikr

[tight basin]

mega cringe

[waxen iron]

Zeus throwing shield go brr.

[ivory turtle]

welp time to go for weird mirror arthur lol

[ivory turtle]

JUST DID A BAD THING

i did the daedalus forge thinking "what could go wrong"

got cursed slash :')

[vagrant crane]

never take anvil on sword lol

most hammers actively make your swording experience worse

less so on arthur i guess

[ivory turtle]

yep I just died because of it

and I was doing so good too :((((((

got deadly reversal and everything

How do you choose meg's lines? Ive never been able to figure it out, it just seems random

[tight basin]

wdym

[warm snow]

what's good with gilgamesh
with or without ME

[tight basin]

well standard ME is always good

could do dash only

[warm snow]

true that would be super fun

[tight basin]

go for sea storm

[warm snow]

greater reflex or ruthless reflex though?

[tight basin]

uh

no clue lol

gimme a sec to see

[warm snow]

more dash or +50%d

yk

[ivory turtle]

Like when you summon meg can you choose which direction to go

[vagrant crane]

extra dash is 33% boost while rr is 50%

but only sometimes

[tight basin]

ruthless

[ivory turtle]

Ruthless reflex sounds better with gilga

[tight basin]

yeah it normally is

[vagrant crane]

it's sort of perpendicular to you

[tight basin]

i just didn't know with dash only

[ivory turtle]

oH

[vagrant crane]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/3mugy

[ivory turtle]

that makes sense

[warm snow]

well i always use ruthless with gilg
i just dk if it's different with dash only

[tight basin]

same lmao (i dont use gilga but i just know)

[tight basin]

there's a video somewhere with meg line ups

idk where it is

[vagrant crane]

here

[tight basin]

oh is that a video lmao

i didn't bother checking

is the witches circle out of date

[vagrant crane]

i just figured out witches

it's just like

go to the side thing

aim at the one who is there

and then meg

[tight basin]

did you never see the pic?

until like recently

[vagrant crane]

what pic

[tight basin]

there was a diagram that was thrown around every now and then

and then i couldn't find it so i just screenshoted it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1079486707910586468/image.png?width=1205&height=670

the og pic was more clear

but yeah

[warm snow]

dash only going good

this would be so much easier if i knew how to use a controller

[ivory turtle]

OK so turns out that double nova aphro on arthur kinda works

I'm doing like 400 damage a pop

[ivory turtle]

DANGIT I WAS LITERALLY LIKE 5 HITS AWAY

and I would've had weird mirror done

[ivory turtle]

oh my gosh

I have heart rend

and um

I just did about 4500 damage on a pressure points crit

what

[last dirge]

Lol

[unique mason]

If I purge a boon are other boons it unlocked still unlocked?

Also I’m trying a Poseidon sword phalanx shot build and I am not doing very well with it

[cunning urchin]

No.

I don't have a Phalanx Shot guide, but have you read my general Cast Build Guide? #h1-builds-and-combat message

[warm snow]

aw i didn't know exit wounds wasn't great

[cunning urchin]

It's not bad, it's just not great, yeah.

A lot better on Poseidon Aspect at least.

[last dirge]

I had some funny times with it with Heart Rend and PP

Crush Shot

That's about the best it will be

But your build is already good if it is good

[last dirge]

I wish Exclusive Access were more meta because gods I love it

Getting that early and getting a lot of Chaos and Hermes

I should try to route that on GY or something and see how much dmg I can make an off meta special build do, since Tempest Flourish has Heartbreak Flourish numbers.

[tight basin]

it's not meta because it's like "if i am gonna be getting a duo might as well get something that boosts dps" lmao

[last dirge]

Yeah

[tight basin]

ofc yeah it's great for chaos and hermes

[last dirge]

It's just still amazing when used right

[tight basin]

but other than that rarity doesnt matter too much

yeah

[last dirge]

Just really not a focus

Cause the base boons arent really a build

But they kinda work on GY

[tight basin]

yeah dio and pos cores aren't really common together

[vagrant crane]

there are very few situations where youd want pos and dio so thats why

[last dirge]

Yeah ik

[tight basin]

like, drunk fists maybe

[last dirge]

I just got it on a kinda trash run

[vagrant crane]

chiron probably

[last dirge]

Yeah

[tight basin]

oh chiron for sure

[vagrant crane]

chiron styx

[tight basin]

trippy beo i guess

[last dirge]

I've gotten it in tart once

[tight basin]

i've gotten it in tart a few times, but none of the runs really stood out to me lmao

[last dirge]

Speaking of Styx

I had the displeasure of having the inferno bomb Curse in Styx

[vagrant crane]

simply dash

[last dirge]

I wish I got more dashes

I had a heroic tidal dash

1 hammer Rama run

Triple shot. Didnt have obols for hammer in the 2nd shop in Asphodel.

[tight basin]

oh that's unfortunate lmao

did you get rat roomed

[last dirge]

Anvil turned it to Twin shot and power shot

Yeah

Just once luckily

[tight basin]

oh that's super based

[last dirge]

Didnt hurt too much

Yeah really good reroll

I am relearning so power shot helps too

[vagrant crane]

i had halting and addled for lernie once

[last dirge]

Plus no attack boosts on my attack. Epic deadly strike, but that inferno bomb curse was +110% dash strike dmg

Lmao

[vagrant crane]

the lernie tax is real

[last dirge]

I was trying for a pure Dio special build and it got messy

[vagrant crane]

where was the poseidon

[tight basin]

i love delta chamber rama

[last dirge]

I probably could have gotten epic RD if I didn't reroll

[vagrant crane]

oh right

tdash

need more hdash

[last dirge]

Poseidon kept showing up and forcing himself as tart and asphodel bosses

I tried to skip him with chaos and stuff but nope

[tight basin]

lmao it do be like that

[last dirge]

Heroic tidal dash is nice though

[vagrant crane]

zeus and ares are the kings of pissing and shoving their way into your pool

[last dirge]

Yeah

[vagrant crane]

in tart once i had 3 zeus exits in a row

[last dirge]

Zeus having manifested as a puddle of piss once

The no hammer until the 2nd asphodel shop really sucked

I should have known and saved for it but it turned out fine

I take bouldy for a reason

Wont get me amazing times but healing (more with a mirror choice) and obols and decent dmg is so versatile

I could have forced that hammer if I had just used all my bouldy charges

[tight basin]

@earnest helm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&pp=ygUPc2xlZXBzb3VsIGhhZGVz
here's a good starting point if you want to play the game fast

[earnest helm]

did a run

is 14:15 bad

[tight basin]

no

any time is fine

just play more, improve and hone your skills

making sure you're building correctly, choosing the right option, etc

[last dirge]

Tried to force Exclusive Access. Got it c1 of Styx

Still got other duos and Wave Pounding. Talos.

Pretty good dmg tbh especially in Styx

Lots of Artemis stuff since she butted in early. High pp and splitting headache

[grand zenith]

What hammers would you want on Rama?

[vagrant crane]

twin shot

triple shot

perfect shot

point blank shot

[tight basin]

twin/triple (most prefer twin, but both are fine) is first priority

second is perfect or point blank

i think point blank is better because you sometimes have to release shots early, so you get a free boost on that

chain is decent cope, good for room clearance

after that there's not good options lol

[warm snow]

the Rama specific one is ass

[tight basin]

yep

[grand zenith]

Why is it trash?

[plain river]

Literally all it does is knockback

[grand zenith]

Ahhh

[tight basin]

If it destroyed projectiles it'd be better but also it'd make shots on rama free

So like

It sucks lol

[last dirge]

At least if divine strike deflected them

[tight basin]

prob does

[last dirge]

It's worse defence than Arthur's hammer or even a source of sturdy

[tight basin]

it's just useless lol

[last dirge]

It's too bad how Rama hammers went

Most aspect exclusive hammers kinda suck

Besides Lucifer which has like 4

I forget if Gilga's is good

Yeah it's pretty good for what Gilga is actually good at

Dash boon builds

Helps Engulfing engulf

+50% global damage and an attack speed decrease is suddenly pretty good

I would've just made Maim increase attack speed I think

Let the hammer even it out

[tight basin]

i would've just let maim not make you take that much more damage

[last dirge]

True

[tight basin]

beo makes you take 10% more damage which is pretty negligible considering what it can do

maim is 50% lmao

[last dirge]

Iike 25% would be fine

[tight basin]

or like

10 lol

[last dirge]

+25% global dmg isnt much

Sure

I do like it for dash boon builds but those are so niche and hard to do

[tight basin]

if beo is 10% and guan yu cuts your hp in half, maim should not be half lmao

granted maim does have the global boost and deals damage at the end of it but like

50% a bit much lmao

granted i dont think that would save gilga from being not as good compared to the other fists

but it'd def help it lol

[last dirge]

Do I take explosive ricochet or flurry on Hestia?

[vagrant crane]

ricochet

ricochet is best strike hammer on hestia by a mile

[last dirge]

Good to know

[vagrant crane]

doubles room dps if you use it right

flurry is literally never taken

i cannot think of a single situation ever where i would take flurry

and explosive is cope pick if your other options are flurry and delta

generally hammers on hestia are clockets > ricochet or hazard > piercing > explosive > weird garbage

might be forgetting some

oh

targeting is below explosive

and then there’s weird garbage

spread fire is moderately not fake in heat

delta chamber is better than flurry at heat because iframes but otherwise both are utterly useless

i might be misremembering this

but it’s all in zyru guide

[cunning urchin]

Piercing + Ricochet is so comfy for Theseus & Asterius.

[vagrant crane]

piercing is super big for ely

armor damage is cool and heroes is great

[cunning urchin]

I think you can judge that well enough on your own at this point lol.

[vagrant crane]

im still noob

tbh i havent used hestia much recently

probably give it a go tmr

instant sub6???

[cunning urchin]

It's not gonna be instant.

Gonna take like 18min probably.

[vagrant crane]

my rta is gonna be like 27min

[cunning urchin]

IGT runners be like running fast slowly.

Why run IGT when you could be doing 4 RTA runs in the time you're doing 3 IGT runs.

[vagrant crane]

i can’t do homework during an rta run

[soft shoal]

I feel like piercing is almost as good

[vagrant crane]

piercing is not as good for room clear

[soft shoal]

even with good positioning?

because like most of the time you can hit 2 at once anyway

[vagrant crane]

positioning for piercing is often detrimental

you have to dash away from where you want to be

[soft shoal]

why?

[vagrant crane]

let me draw

#1028112977100017666 message

happens a lot in ely

wrong kind of link

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1086208331057737728/IMG_0145.jpg

[soft shoal]

lmfao

wtf am I looking at here

I assume scribbles are enemies

[vagrant crane]

yes

the line is the piercing fire

[soft shoal]

is one of the scribbles the player?

and is the e where you want to be?

[vagrant crane]

but if you dash away you often can’t get where u need to be for manips

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[soft shoal]

ah like you're dashing out of the corner to hit the piercing

but you want to be in corner for good spawns?

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[soft shoal]

right

I feel like text > diagram for explaining that lmao

[cunning urchin]

Nice mousewriting.

[vagrant crane]

actually fingerwriting

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

Nevermind, I take it back.

[vagrant crane]

im an artiste

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past-alttp-snes-gif-18452731

[plain hollow]

What is one of the more reliable specials for the Zag shield?

[vagrant crane]

nothing

[plain hollow]

Personally, I'm thinking maybe of trying to rolling with Poseidon since he is more useful with single-hit damage.

Ares too, maybe.

[vagrant crane]

in a zagshield run you press special exactly 0 times

it opens duos i guess

but that's all your special slot will do

[plain hollow]

Ah. Explains why I don't find the playstyle to be the most fun. Zeus Shield and Chaos shield are much more fun.

[plain river]

Divine flourish (it opens merciful end)(you pick up divine dash and ignore the special)

[plain river]

It’s literally the same story with chaos tbh

[vagrant crane]

in a chaos run you press special exactly 0 times

chaos is just a worse zagshield

the only shield where the special is regularly used is zeus

[plain hollow]

Hmm, fair. Also, the secret aspect Rail is so damn fun.

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[plain hollow]

It does seem to be more viable than most shield aspects at least.

[vagrant crane]

shields core mechanics are the best in the game

rail can be better but all of its aspects do something really big

[plain hollow]

Well, when I say viable I mean "viable for cheekiness" more than efficiency.

[vagrant crane]

hidden rail great though

[plain river]

Wdym by viable

[vagrant crane]

zap works nicely

[plain river]

Wait nevermind

Wdym by cheekiness

[plain hollow]

Builds that allow for some silliness or absurdity. For example, super soaker rail builds.

[plain river]

killing things fast kinda absurd

[tight basin]

the only shield you should be using the special is with zeus

maybe chaos but top players dont use it at all

[plain river]

Uh wdym,this is still playtesting and charged flight beo exists

[tight basin]

lmao

the only use case for special on shield is to finish low hp enemies

[vagrant crane]

or if the last enemy in a chamber is a witch who somehow is like half a mile away

[tight basin]

beo exclusive lol

but yeah

finishing low hp enemies

[vagrant crane]

can normal shield special not kill witches???

WHY DOES IT DO 15 DAMAGE

literally why would anyone ever use the special jesus

cant even kill a numbskull

[plain river]

1.5* the damage of a single rail shot with none of the speed

[vagrant crane]

it's a fists hit

[tight basin]

lol no

chaos at point blank does 75 damage

granted, dio/zeus is best with on it

[vagrant crane]

that's so bad

[tight basin]

but also like

lol

[vagrant crane]

jesus

how do redditors like it

[tight basin]

shield block

5 is more than 1

[vagrant crane]

why is it dealing 114

i have hc on

but that should be

like 94

is it throwing 6?

oh

yeah

6

[plain river]

They never updated the game from beta

[cunning urchin]

It's like having Clockets from the start, but in exchange all 5 shield "rockets" do only 75 damage while normally a single rocket on rail already does 80.

Oh, and your shield "rockets" don't have AOE on impact.

[vagrant crane]

and your rockets disable your normal attack

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm only if you throw your normal shield somewhere near nirvana (not recommended) instead of bouncing it right back.

And avoid Dread Flight.

The dreaded Dread Flight.

[vagrant crane]

what if you throw it near korn

[cunning urchin]

I remember avoiding second hammer on my 52 Charged Flight Beowulf run just so I wouldn't be forced into AP2 Dread Flight lol.

And I think I had already set my mind to immediately reset if I was somehow forced into it.

Thankfully that didn't happen.

I think I also didn't want Charged Shot, although I wouldn't have reset if that had happened.

Charged Flight Beowulf only uses Attack for utility (i.e., block & bull-rush), so you don't want Charged Shot.

[last dirge]

Chaos is eh but a Bad Influence/Deadly Strike C.Shot build does great

But really that's just a weird bow build

Id try it on Zag aspect tbh

[cunning urchin]

If you want to do Hangover, you'd want Heartbreak Strike, not Deadly Strike.

[last dirge]

Both work fine. I like deadly strike

[cunning urchin]

I mean you can take literally anything on Attack and make it work fine. But Heartbreak Strike has unquestionably the best synergy with Hangover.

[vagrant crane]

7.5% extra crit not bad

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike won't even proc Privileged Status for Hangover.

[vagrant crane]

although i guess theres no shot you get max hangover with either of those builds

[cunning urchin]

Pretty much only on bosses.

Also very possibly the only time I'd press Special.

Well, on any other enemies, you still get Privileged Status + Hangover.

If you want to use your Special, which can be fun at least.

[cunning urchin]

Quite a bit of that is first making up for the fact you don't have PS.

[plain river]

NOt worth a duo slot

[vagrant crane]

actually it'd average out to exactly the difference

assuming full pool and herm

[ivory turtle]

Ooh question... I'm running Arthur and I have an epic Heartbreak strike after c1... Should I take rare crop at C2 or frost flourish??

I'm thinking rare crop personally so I can have a heroic attack boon

[vagrant crane]

flourish is good, the boost from epic to heroic isn't too huge and you'll lose dps in tart

[ivory turtle]

Ooh thanks for the tip :DD

Well shoot I just got hunter dash and double edge

[signal current]

Question

Does "Favor" from daddy Chaos stack?

Like

If I take it two times

Will they add up

(Will they add up the +10% to Duo/Legendary, too?)

[vagrant crane]

they add a flat 10% yes

[signal current]

So, if I take two favors

Will I hve 20?

[vagrant crane]

probably?

you probably dont want to though unless you're running like ME

[signal current]

Trying to farm prophecies rn

Need those sweet gems

Anyway, I'll try and see

[cunning urchin]

I remind you that I am, in fact, never wrong.

[vagrant crane]

my apologies

[cunning urchin]

Even if I have been awake for approximately 24 hours.

Of which this may or may not be an occasion.

[ivory turtle]

O o f

Go sleep or something lol

Also I finally got it!! I did like 8 Mirror options that I'd never beaten the game with in one run and I got it

Also was my fastest run so far but that's really not saying much lol

Now here's a question: Dark Foresight or olympian Favor?

[vagrant crane]

foresight

literally every time

there is not a single, not one, situation to use favor

[ivory turtle]

K that's what I thought lolll

I used it during my wacko mirror run just to see what it was like and I didn't hate it, but it probably lost me a lot of good stuff

Also is Ruthless reflex ever optimal for DPS purposes or is Greater Reflex exclusively better?

[vagrant crane]

gilga

that's it

[ivory turtle]

Lolll

Gitcha

*gotcha

Also why would anyone ever take fiery presence, I haven't liked it at all

[vagrant crane]

fiery is better

[ivory turtle]

0_o

[vagrant crane]

95% of the time

the damage is real

[ivory turtle]

Not me having suboptimal opinions

But it's only for like

One hit

Well I guess

If you run heartbreak strike it might not even matter

[vagrant crane]

you can meet breakpoints often a lot better with it

[ivory turtle]

Wait does damage to armor count as damage to the enemy?

[vagrant crane]

yes

[ivory turtle]

Ohhh

I did notice that enemies got broken more reliably

Deep Pockets has got to be exclusively better though, like even if golden touch could net more moolah in total you still have nothing at the beginning where it's most important while making your build

Right???

[tight basin]

there are niche use cases for heat, but that's only with noncshot shield

i'm pretty sure

when i say "heat" i mean extremely high heat

[tight basin]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

yes

[ivory turtle]

Which I am not at lolll

[vagrant crane]

golden touch exists for meme runs

hoarding slash

[ivory turtle]

Oh that's a good point lol

Not even I could commit quite that hard though lol

Unless...

Shattered shackle hoarding slash golden touch???

On Arthur???

Could be fun

[vagrant crane]

arthur hoarding dont go well

fds not as good

[ivory turtle]

Oh lol

Fds? Sorry I'm dumb with abbreviations

[vagrant crane]

flat damage soup

cause like

80 damage increase on base sword

is l

ike

[ivory turtle]

OH

[vagrant crane]

30 -> 110

while on arthur it's like

200 -> 280

[ivory turtle]

That makes sense

Hence why Aphro is good because percent is always a yay

[plain river]

Btw thats not how hoarding slash works

Shattered shackle wouldn’t affect it

Hoarding slash is extra damage

Added after additive and crits are calculated

Plus just start with hypnos keepsake

So you can amass more obols

[plain river]

Also since you should always be spending your obols, you ideally wouldn’t be getting value out of golden touch playing optimally

[cunning urchin]

Golden Touch is fine tbh and pretty good if you want to consistently buy the bounties in Styx shop.

[waxen iron]

I think Golden Touch would be a good option if people want to hoard coins for Titan's Blood or Diamonds.

[cunning urchin]

Yep.

[late wasp]

Ok which do I take, Artemis or Chaos. I'm trying to get PP and SF from arti so I can qualify for FL, but I also want chaos for better cast damage/more stones

I already have Support fire and I have 5 boon re-rolls, if that helps

[warm snow]

go chaos
fully loaded is hell to hunt

[late wasp]

got it

[warm snow]

I have gotten it exactly once, while i have had the prerequisites many times

[silent meteor]

What’s better? Hyper Sprint or Greater Haste

[warm snow]

hyper sprint

[vagrant crane]

hyper sprint in combination with another hermes boon rush delivery is the most busted hermes combo in the game

even with common rush delivery, hyper sprint+rush delivery will net you +50% damage

and at epic rush delivery that's +100%

[silent meteor]

Hyper sprint and greater haste and had to purge one. Ended up rerolling because I wanted to go fast and it was funny

I was outrunning the Minotaur

[late wasp]

Is kinetic launcher any good?

[vagrant crane]

yes

especially on dem

[late wasp]

Oooh I see

what special boons would deal the most damage with that in mind

[vagrant crane]

well fists usually take a % special

same with kinetic

also, kinetic launcher can power shot like the bow

[late wasp]

Oh I see

[ivory turtle]

Anyone got a favorite Hera build?

I'm thinking of running Trippy Flare

[opaque hollow]

Dont

[ivory turtle]

Oh lol

[opaque hollow]

Use flood shot, crush shot or the athena cast cant remeber what its called

Trippy shot can be good but its very inconsistent

[ivory turtle]

Phalanx flare

[tight basin]

flood shot on hera kinda mid

not bad but crush or phalanx are better

[opaque hollow]

Yeah def

[tight basin]

trippy flare on hera can work because of the mirage bug tho

[opaque hollow]

I just use it for an easier mirage shot i dont have legacy yet

[tight basin]

hera doesn't really need mirage shot

[ivory turtle]

But what if...

Also I need to get icy wine for the fated list

[opaque hollow]

Ok then run trippy flare lmao

[tight basin]

if you want ice wine, dont use hera or beo for it

[ivory turtle]

Oh ok lol

[tight basin]

ice wine adds a delay to the flare

[ivory turtle]

Maybe Achilles?

[tight basin]

yeah that's fine

ice wine on trippy shot makes it come out faster

allegedly

[vagrant crane]

huge achilles number incoming

[tight basin]

i haven't seen it lol

[warm snow]

why

[tight basin]

flood shot doesn't have fantastic damage

it has good aoe tho

[warm snow]

then why is it best for beo

[tight basin]

and could slap like breaking wave on it

[tight basin]

mirage shot funny

[vagrant crane]

opens mirage

[warm snow]

zamn

[vagrant crane]

passion is better for dmg

[tight basin]

but yeah it opens up mirage

[warm snow]

oh that's the only reason

[tight basin]

the damage you get from it is enough for tart and kinda asphodel

[vagrant crane]

also aoe

and styx

[tight basin]

well it has a lot of other benefits, but if mirage worked like it was supposed to, passion would be used

[warm snow]

mmm

[tight basin]

styx can be worked around, just hit better shots

flood flare can hit through walls and has massive aoe, so it makes styx a cakewalk

[opaque hollow]

Hades is easy, just dont get hit

[tight basin]

well styx is easy for beo

[vagrant crane]

dad is easy on beo too

if you're joosd

just dont release early lol

[tight basin]

the issue with passion flare compared to flood flare is that passion flare doesn't cover the whole styx chamber lol

and it can't hit through walls

[opaque hollow]

Yeah flood flare has i think a 50-60% increase in radius

[vagrant crane]

passion has 0% if you bug

[tight basin]

lmao yeah

[opaque hollow]

WHY CANT I GET THE BEO DIALOUGE

[ivory turtle]

K. Can you get both Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast at the same time? If so I'm gonna try for it and it will be funny

[tight basin]

yes

[ivory turtle]

Ooooh... Vicious skewer or serrated point? I have Arty on special

[tight basin]

serrated

the special on achilles isn't meant for dealing damage

it's just used to give yourself raging rush

[ivory turtle]

Gotcha. Is the cycle raging rush, cast then dash strike until you need to rush again

[vagrant crane]

well

[tight basin]

something like that

[vagrant crane]

i think once you get your cast going it's like that

[tight basin]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

usually achilles does not cast start so then it's rush dstrike x2

[tight basin]

if youre not speedrunning you'd probably want to start with cast lol

[opaque hollow]

Well dosent rush last for 4 attacks

[tight basin]

attacks or casts

and it doesn't stack with itself, so you have to use all 4 charges before you can refresh it

[ivory turtle]

Oof

K I heard you don't want to take flurry jab if you already have serrated

Should I do triple or breaching skewer?

[tight basin]

triple probably i guess lmao

[ivory turtle]

Lol

[tight basin]

you generally dont do standing strikes

and skewer damage is negligible

so pick triple on the off chance you accidentally do a normal atk lmao

[vagrant crane]

i think u take triple on zoos

[tight basin]

well triple with flurry is obv the correct choice, but it's serrated point not flurry

and you're not doing standing strikes, so triple wouldn't do anything

i would assume

[ivory turtle]

Yeah

I kinda regret taking triple ngl

Sall good tho

Beat Dad :D

[cunning urchin]

The casting time of Ice Wine on Trippy Shot is just as long as the delay when using it with Trippy Flare.

[tight basin]

oh thats funky

[ivory turtle]

Hmmm... Imma be real I suck with rail. The only aspect I like from rail is Lucifer lol

What should I try? I really want to like it

[cunning urchin]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12mccSl9SRsrval1qJO_UwIoyylflzbRU/view

[vagrant crane]

HESTIA

[tight basin]

fake rail

[ivory turtle]

Ooh??

[warm snow]

what?

[ivory turtle]

It's pretty low titan blood tho

Like level 2

Still good?

[tight basin]

if you used 3 charges of raging rush then spam special twice, you won't have 4 charges of raging rush, you'd only have 1

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[tight basin]

no lol

minimum usability for hestia is 3

[vagrant crane]

oh

[ivory turtle]

Oh rip

[vagrant crane]

i thought you meant achilles

i mean

theres no excuse not to immediately dump every single titan blood ever into hestia

it's literally the best aspect

[warm snow]

Achilles has the same numbers as hestia doesn't it

[tight basin]

wdym

[vagrant crane]

well i mean

they both go from 50 to 150

[tight basin]

oh

[vagrant crane]

in 25% increments

it's just that l like

[warm snow]

lol

[vagrant crane]

they're very different boosts

[tight basin]

achilles is a % modifier, hestia is base damage

it's very different lol

[warm snow]

i said numbers
obv they do different things

[vagrant crane]

i mean

one's %

one's just a number

so it's sort of different

[tight basin]

well yeah but because one is a % and the other isn't, lvl 1 hestia sucks

[warm snow]

150 is the same number as 150
it's not that deep

[vagrant crane]

150% is not the same as 150

[ivory turtle]

Hmmmmm... Maybe I'll go for a Lucifer run lol

[tight basin]

go use lvl 1 hestia, 50 is the same as 50 lol

[ivory turtle]

Oh lol

What's the build for Hestia?

[vagrant crane]

start aph

take heartbreak strike

you now have won the game

[ivory turtle]

:o

[tight basin]

aphrodite attack, aphrodite/artemis special, tidal/hunters/divine dash

[vagrant crane]

heart rend is a thing if you take arty special

[ivory turtle]

Then do you just attack, reload, repeat?

[tight basin]

yeah

special every other reload

if you dash/special the same time you reload, you can cancel the animation

[ivory turtle]

K let's try it

[tight basin]

keeps your mobility

[ivory turtle]

Ooooooh that's good info

[tight basin]

heart rend is a thing if you take aphrodite special and artemis attack lmao

just get the juice

[vagrant crane]

i would simply not do that

[ivory turtle]

Wish I had titan blood but ah well

[vagrant crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit

[tight basin]

even with 150% chaos bonus?

why not

heart rend hestia funny

[vagrant crane]

because aphrodite attack

[tight basin]

cringe

crits funnier

[vagrant crane]

or

[tight basin]

crits better

[vagrant crane]

more realistically

shackle

[tight basin]

tempest strike

[vagrant crane]

saw a hestia pb that had common lvl1 tempest the other day

[tight basin]

yeah lmao

[ivory turtle]

Oof, hazard or piercing fire?

[vagrant crane]

2nd hammer?

[ivory turtle]

My other option is delta chamber

First hammer lol

[warm snow]

lol

[vagrant crane]

uh

hazard

[last dirge]

I did a charged skewer GY build and somehow it sucked

That or I'm really slow on my new switch

Like everything about it should be good

[vagrant crane]

do ME

[last dirge]

Nothing fancy besides a level 9 pressure points

I know ME is good

But just charged skewer GY usually is great when I do Artemis

Feels slower with Aphro

I really wanted swift flourish but only got a cope common one

By Elysium it was feeling slow

[vagrant crane]

athena has decent enough %

[ivory turtle]

Ok yaboi got two duos somehow

Should I be taking Razor Shoals, Sweet Nectar or Mirage shot in Ely?

I'm at like c32

[opaque hollow]

What build?

[ivory turtle]

Hestia

I got heartbreak strike with tdash

I have crush shot but I don't use it much lol

I think razor shoals might be the play

[opaque hollow]

Razor shoald

Yeah

[proven osprey]

don't pom pressure points

[late wasp]

what pairs well with lightning strike on the zag rail

[plain river]

aphrodite special -> zeus or dionysus aid -> smouldering air
Rocket bomb, cluster bomb

[tight basin]

Static discharge

[late wasp]

well its too late for one of those as I wasn't offered either on the first hammer and I ended up taking Delta Chamber

[plain river]

delta chamber is ok but like

[soft shoal]

nice iframes

zag rail is already bad eris

[plain river]

too bad it locks out funny spreadfire

the only thing zag has over eris is funny spreadfire builds

[soft shoal]

with delta chamber it's literally just bad eris

[late wasp]

I'm mostly just trying to get all the hammer upgrades for the prophecies anyways

[soft shoal]

oh fair

when I was doing prophecies all builds went out the window

[late wasp]

and I heard that all you needed was zeus attack on the zag rail and you were set

[soft shoal]

yes

[late wasp]

would passion dash still help qualify for smoldering air

[tight basin]

With lightning strike it's just bad eris

[late wasp]

Ok which is better: Triple Bomb or Targeting System

[plain river]

Second hammer? Also triple bomb

[late wasp]

yep this is hammer 2

so Delta Chamber and now Triple Bomb

[plain river]

What was the third hammer option

I got confused about why I had typed out third hammer so I changed it to second but I just realised why I had typed third

[late wasp]

You can get 3 hammers???? I thought it was only 2

[tight basin]

no, he meant third option in the 2nd hammer

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike is good damage in Tartarus. But you'll want Static Discharge asap and some poms on it to scale your damage for the later biomes.

[late wasp]

OH. I forgot

[cunning urchin]

You'll also want Tidal Dash with some poms on it, ideally with some good t2 boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave.

[late wasp]

And don’t worry I got Static

[cunning urchin]

And a good % Special.

The buil can be powerful, but it's also pretty greedy for getting those boons, and greedy for poms on Static Discharge and Tidal Dash.

[late wasp]

I got aphro special and triple bomb so I should be fine

[last dirge]

I'll do what I want. I dont need 1% more special damage on a special with +200/250% dmg

Pomming PP scales better if you also have very few core boons

I rarely pom it this much but it was what I was going for.

Like it's not like pomming much else would get me dmg on that build. I only had aphro special and artemis attack as dmg boons

Deadly Strike scales terribly and it was a special build anyway

[proven osprey]

lol ok

[cunning urchin]

#h1-victory-boasting is over there.

[ivory turtle]

OH TY

Should I remove this here then?

[cunning urchin]

Pretty much lol.

[solar siren]

For an Achilles Crystal Clarity build is it better to take Family Favorite, or pick Privileged and try to get Razor Shoals and Glacial Glare/Snow Burst?

[vagrant crane]

fam fav

relying on not just 1 but 2 t2 boons for pstatus is really not ideal

although you need glacial glare

[solar siren]

alright, I’ll keep family favorite then

[vagrant crane]

p sure it takes stygian and poms glare to hell

[lucid oar]

Why are you ignoring build advice when you’re saying that your build felt like it sucked

If you’re pomming pp to make your aphro special have as much crit as arty special, might as well get arty special, a few chaos special boons or jerkies, and another weak source

Saves you 15 poms

[warm snow]

ahem ackshually the scaling is 5% at max level

[plain river]

Nevermind they were talking aphro special

[fleet glacier]

how good is Artemis special on zeus shield(i have it maxed out)

[warm snow]

zeus upon Zeus is better

[vagrant crane]

zeus^2 is cool, ME is cool

arty special can also be cool

heart rend or deadly reversal exist

[warm snow]

what aspects are best with ME

[lucid oar]

Demeter, nemesis, guan yu

[warm snow]

really!

what else

i know gilg

[lucid oar]

Gilgamesh ME sucks, its just that gilga sucks even more so ME is the best build for it

[plain river]

All of them

[plain river]

Any of the flat damage specials are better(not imo) and also 3/4 of the other +% specials (imo)

[tight basin]

heartbreak is pretty good with explosive return

[cunning urchin]

All of the Special boons can be very good on Zeus.

So long as you know how to build them.

[tight basin]

just get smair on all of them

easy

[last dirge]

Because I dont think maybe 50% more dmg on my special would have helped when the issue was speed.

It's probably just playing on a bigger switch

[tight basin]

50% more special damage sounds like a considerable amount

[last dirge]

Maybe. So is 10% crit

[vagrant crane]

10% crit is a 20% boost lol

[tight basin]

50% more is a lot more consistent than a 1% increase