i mean
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
Is it actually weird?
vagrant crane
i prefer spread fire zag
stiff lotus
omg wait I did the mini boss room and got the Satyr sack 😭 it was a lot easier than the regular one tysm for the tip!
vagrant crane
they're especially a lot easier if you use meg's companion
grave valve
What’s a good build for the fists or the spear?
vagrant crane
fists ME
valid dagger
Eris is a lot about managing your buff and making sure you’re using your whole kit to the utmost potential, like your Dash is very important etc
stiff lotus
ok time for my first [redacted] fight.. almost certain I’ll lose but any tips?
vagrant crane
generally to try and avoid hits when you haven't learned the pattern yet you should just stay the hell away from dad
grave valve
Use the pillars, and try to relax
proper furnace
If you get hit by a skull stay away from him
grave valve
Spam dodge is not good
gilded wedge
use the rocks to hide
proper furnace
You receive double dmg
vagrant crane
boiling blood spin 
vagrant crane
unless you have delta chamber lol
stiff lotus
oh I actually do have delta chamber
proper furnace
Oh then have fun lol
stiff lotus
well I died
more I fight him the more I’ll learn his moves though
so hopefully I’ll do better next time
grave valve
well I died
Rip
It took me several tries to beat him
Trying different things actually helped me get my 1st win against him
next oriole
odd question but what are the best weapons/aspects for demeter builds
trying to max hearts with her and also i wanna try to get her legendary boon
grave valve
I like to spam casts and use the shield to block dmg while my casts do a ton of dmg
tight basin
odd question but what are the best weapons/aspects for demeter builds
Anywhere you'd start with Aphrodite, use Demeter lol
Dem has a worse % but it'll help you towards getting the legendary
solar siren
okay so I just read up on the Super Soaker build for Lucifer
not sure where exactly I should put Zeus if I’m going to start with Poseidon atk
gilded wedge
can never go wrong with zeus call
tight basin
Thunder dash works too
vagrant crane
does the hellfire work like zeus shield with the special
tight basin
it's just funnier lightning strike luci lmao
it's functionally the same thing since you're aiming for sea storm
vagrant crane
lol
vagrant crane
it's good
tight basin
I’m only using it for the project
ignore the atk and just spam special
pray for charged skewer
cunning urchin
Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message
tight basin
play it like weird hestia/bow
grave valve
ignore the atk and just spam special
It’s so slowww
tight basin
well the special isn't slow
vagrant crane
the special is annoying without cskewer
grave valve
well the special isn't slow
I like banana
tight basin
cool
vagrant crane
me personally i'm a fan of apple
grave valve
What’s a good build for Quan yu?
vagrant crane
cskewer
grave valve
Alright
vagrant crane
idk aph special
grave valve
I’ll look for that
grave valve
Will do
cunning urchin
I linked a guide just above. 
grave valve
I linked a guide just above. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
So many words
spare holly
I made a dumb one based on blade rifts that was pretty fun on low-ish heat: Zeus aspect, Artemis on special (so many fun crit sounds), shoot for hunting blades, and pick up blade dash if you really want to commit to the buzzsaw effect 
Watching Lernie get absolutely shredded was pretty fun
spare holly
Sweet! Hope it's fun! 
ivory turtle
k I just beat lernie and this is hilarious thank you
Throwing in flurry cast and ares call just adds to the hilarity
i think this build should be called "swirly whirly doo"
ivory turtle
oof I didn't quite make it to the end
Because I ✨ played horribly ✨ when I got to theseus and asterius :')
ivory turtle
But that was such a fun build though, thank you for the recommendation @spare holly
tight basin
disregarding the weirdass build
ivory turtle
Putting crit on zeus shield was so wacky I had to try it
Have any personal weird builds banana??
The worst part is I had literally almost killed both of them but Theseus returned his spear like two frames before I killed him
And that killed me :'D
tight basin
i dont really have any weird ones because they're either meta or just garbage lol
they're garbage in the sense of "hey this sounds funny because it's bad, let's see what happens"
ivory turtle
I'll do it either way!!
tight basin
you got beowulf?
ivory turtle
Yeee
tight basin
on a scale of 1-5 how garbage do you want it to be
ivory turtle
uhh how about 4
tight basin
take zeus' flare on beowulf
tight basin
fun fact: zeus' flare doesn't count as a cast
so any +cast% damage bonuses you get won't work
ivory turtle
wh
tight basin
:))
the idea is to just get every other zeus boon
namely double strike and static discharge
could go for smoldering air as well
ivory turtle
ooooh ok so basically go bonkers on zeus, got it
tight basin
every time you start with a zeus core in any build, you always go for more zeus boons
because they all compliment each other very well
ivory turtle
I'm going to switch to fated authority then
tight basin
static discharge is strong with good poms
double strike is just 2x damage every now and then
finding splitting bolt if you're lucky enough is nice, which isn't too far out there considering how much zeus you want
ivory turtle
that moment when I accidentally choose the poseidon keepsake instead of zeus :'D
I'm starting over lolll
tight basin
could do a normal beo run and get mirage shot lol
mirage bug my beloved
oh yeah mirage shot bug doesn't work on thunder flare
vagrant crane
that's because thuunder flare isn't real
tight basin
to be fair, most of the bugs in the game aren't obvious
vagrant crane
clockets moment
tight basin
you only find them if you pay attention to numbers
ivory turtle
ok
out of dread flight, ferocious guard and explosive return what the heck should I go for
ivory turtle
yee
tight basin
dont touch the special button
ivory turtle
does that mean that addled affluence (which hurts me every time i cast) won't have a downside???
proper furnace
Still hurts you
ivory turtle
oh lollll
proper furnace
Is a cast that has 0 dmg
ivory turtle
glad I asked first
proper furnace
You can see it if you get offered a swap lol
It will show 0 -> whatever the othee cas dmg is
ivory turtle
that moment when I accidentally chose to go in a charon obol door when I can't gather charon obol 😔
vagrant crane
You know
They're called Charon's Obol
does that mean they're only currency for him
and nothing else
proper furnace
i mean pretty sure they are supposed to be the coins you put in the people's mouth when they die so they can pay Charon to take them across the styx
ivory turtle
yeah
vagrant crane
obols are also like, an ancient greek currency
ivory turtle
i think in percy jackson they're called drachmas... idk if that's like actually what they're called tho
vagrant crane
different denominations
ivory turtle
ahhh that tracks
vagrant crane
a drachma is 6 oboloi or something
ivory turtle
also @tight basin this build is so janky holy crap
tight basin
it really is
the bolt from thunder flare doesn't go around you, it targets the closest enemy in range lol
ivory turtle
I managed to get pressure points and hunters mark so I'm still alive somehow
tight basin
based
ivory turtle
I feel like it never actually connects when I want it to
esp if I hit a pillar it just decides "aight ok imma hit the pillar now"
tight basin
sounds about right
at least when it does hit it does damage
good thing you didn't say 5 lol
ivory turtle
I did like 900 damage once with asterius
tight basin
but it's not great lmfao
the only way to get more damage on icy flare is to get mirage shot or other sources of % increases
ivory turtle
Yeah my rushes are usually getting ~500 if all of them connect (which they really don't like to do)
tight basin
yeah that doesnt happen often
ivory turtle
well I didn't even make it to asterius and theseus that time
k but why are pressure points and hunters mark so freakishly good
tight basin
it goes well together
on the 4% chance you get a crit, your next crit is like 50some%
vagrant crane
the only way to get more damage on icy flare is to get mirage shot or other sour...
damage? icy flare?
tight basin
which is neat
vagrant crane
i thought icy flare was just used to proc dragon rush
didn't know it dealt damage
huh
ivory turtle
ok, what's your favorite niche Fists build??
Only thing is I haven't spent the titans blood on gilgamesh yet so I can't do that one yet
tight basin
ok, what's your favorite niche Fists build??
my favorite one is not using fists
i generally just dont play fists unless i feel like playing merciful end
spare holly
But that was such a fun build though, thank you for the recommendation <@5030249...
Oof I'm sorry it didn't get you to the end, but I'm glad swirly whirly doo was fun at least!
wooden cipher
What changes when you upgrade a level of a boon vs when you upgrade a rarity?
Trying to decide which Eurydice dish to take
gilded wedge
depends a lot on which boons and if it's already been pommed
For Eurydice, Refreshing Nectar is usually considered the best option
so you can get high rarity hermes in aspho
pine scaffold
isnt it like upgrading rarity upgrades the base dmg or the base whatever of a boon but upgrading using pom only upgrades the dmg/stat/whatever the thing is
iirc
tight basin
What changes when you upgrade a level of a boon vs when you upgrade a rarity?
most of the time, it's nothing. for like 95% of the boons in the game, an increased rarity is another pom
the only difference eurydice would make is if she upgraded the rarity of a good hermes boon like greatest reflex or rush delivery
refreshing nectar is generally always better because you'll get better duo/legendary odds, better hermes, and better chaos
gilded wedge
a pom scaling graph might be helpful to look at (if only I could get it to work)
tight basin
a pom scaling graph might be helpful to look at (if only I could get it to work)
put h!optin into the channel description
and then h!help will work
tight basin
isn't it just h!ps
gilded wedge
gilded wedge
SERIOUSLY THAT WAS IT!?
tight basin
lmfao
gilded wedge
help command says "boon_name" so I assumed it was that format
tight basin
oh lmao
cunning urchin
isnt it like upgrading rarity upgrades the base dmg or the base whatever of a bo...
Nah. The "base" is always Lv.1 Common. Rarity bonus and pom bonus are both just added on top of that.
cobalt moat
What's a good build for magnetic cutter that doesn't suck against bosses? Zeus was working well against trash mobs on my last playthrough but was doing absolutely pathetic damage against the bull in the em3 fight.
tight basin
you kinda largely ignore the gimmick on talos unless you wanna do the tech where you special then dash away immediately so you pull without doing the special animation
at that point you build it like any other fist
zeus atk, some aphrodite core, zeus/dio call -> smoldering air
ares attack, athena special -> merciful end; divine dash is needed, impending doom is great for boosting your damage by a lot but not the end of the world if you dont find it
cobalt moat
what do you mean when you say "aphrodite core"? Like the skill that makes weak enemies take more damage?
cunning urchin
Core means the 5 slots on the left.
cobalt moat
ah
cunning urchin
Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call.
In this particular case it's because any of them work as a requirement for Smoldering Air.
cobalt moat
that makes sense
tight basin
in this case, it'd be special, cast, or dash if you want zeus or dio for the call since those 2 deal the most damage
aphrodite call works for stun locking enemies, but it's more of a defensive call compared to the other two
proven osprey
I would advise starting tooth on Talos
I can provide video footage of a 50 heat clear if necessary
cunning urchin
fluid frigate
does beowulf break duos?
hunting blades requires slicing shot, but apparently not slicing shot (the beowulf equivalent)
languid hornet
@turbid needle Spear is afaik Tidal Dash in Tartarus then either focus on Zeus attack or Hunting blades in Asphodel
tight basin
does beowulf break duos?
soem duos aren't available on beowulf
hunting blades like you mentioned, the meme beam ones, parting shot
tight basin
<@456226577798135808> Spear is afaik Tidal Dash in Tartarus then either focus on...
that's achilles specifically, not every spear
you can maybe make the case for zag spear, but with zag spear you wouldn't build towards a cast duo because you dont get bonus damage out of it
if you want to go for a duo on beowulf
go for mirage shot
its bugged on flares to deal 100% instead of 30%
fluid frigate
bit too late for that. ||grabbed slicing shot because i wanted to fight charon in tartarus. won for the first time, but lost all my DD||
and of course patroclus doesn't show up the one time i need him
proper furnace
Whatabout charon wells
grave valve
and of course patroclus doesn't show up the one time i need him
I agree
fluid frigate
got 1 from a charon well
7 heat, just beat the lads. guess i'm keeping skelly this attempt lol
fluid frigate
definitely best with the shield so long as I play super conservatively. i actually really like ares' cast with the shield since it's so short
got a 2nd DD post-elysium run saved let's gooo
drowsy saddle
hunting blades like you mentioned, the meme beam ones, parting shot
wait wait what happens to meme beams on beo
drowsy saddle
then what's the point :/
proper furnace
Exactly
drowsy saddle
smh make it like the one beam attack hades does in phase 2 for a short duration
aoe beams
are the meme beams every actually viable in any way shape or form
do meme beams proc support fire or any onhit effects?
proper furnace
They take a lot of set up
But basically, use stygian soul, get beams, get an artemis core, get their duo, get extra casts
fluid frigate
slicing shot's still shredding through things with some of the other duos so i'm pretty happy
proper furnace
If you wanna go the extra mile get glaciar glare and pom it always
drowsy saddle
slicing shot's still shredding through things with some of the other duos so i'm...
if you're playing beo try trippy or flood flare
proper furnace
And artic blast for the really ridiculous beams
drowsy saddle
very goofy
i want to make a full onhit build for 32 heat once
which one is better, lucifer or zeus?
proper furnace
Zeus, but also different weapons so why compare
tight basin
slicing shot's still shredding through things with some of the other duos so i'm...
isn't the only other duo like freezing vortex
fluid frigate
the reason i'm liking slicing shot so far is because it last small enough that I can spam bullrush
tight basin
that's relevant
tight basin
the reason i'm liking slicing shot so far is because it last small enough that I...
ngl almost every other flare is gonna give better results lmao
drowsy saddle
especially trippy
fluid frigate
i'm not speedrunning
tight basin
trippy is a good one if you get the rng going
proper furnace
Yeah dont all flares explode in an instant anyways
drowsy saddle
Zeus, but also different weapons so why compare
which aspect can proc onhit more is what im asking
tight basin
i'm not speedrunning
i know you're not speedrunning
i never mentioned speedrunning
i'm just saying there's better flares
fluid frigate
i believe you
proper furnace
i know you're not speedrunning
Then luci hits more often i think
fluid frigate
as i said, i only took it because it was available before I fought ||charon||
proper furnace
If you wanna do wacky things can also just use eris to use the +75% global dmg
drowsy saddle
that is true but i just want to see as many projectiles flying everywhere
zeus atk + support + splitting seems like a good start
what other onhits are there that i could use
proper furnace
Get smair so you can spam zeus call 24/7
Basically just add any zeus boon you find
He is like the most visual obstrubting god
I probably typed that wrong but eh
drowsy saddle
is there anything else that i could proc onhit though
zeus + high voltage + double strike would certainly be a lot
but specifically onhit funnies are what im here for
i guess zeus doesnt hurt, hes in the build already and i need splitting
but is there any other onhit boon
dont really know what all of them do
proper furnace
There isnt really more onhits lol
drowsy saddle
damn
proper furnace
You have habgover and doom but you arent spamming those
drowsy saddle
and i wouldn't be able to apply then
proper furnace
No fast way to apply chill for artic blast either
drowsy saddle
i was thinking to try to do some sea storm shenanigans but i need that zeus atk
i mean i could try pos special and have the passive waves from the special proc storm
but that seems too cursed
proper furnace
Would be ackward to set up smair too
drowsy saddle
5 god pool dwbi
proper furnace
Cuz aphro would also open sweet nectar
drowsy saddle
can i force a 5 god pool with a keepsake
proper furnace
Ye
drowsy saddle
ic
proper furnace
Can also get them naturally sometimes lol
drowsy saddle
so theoretically if i get a natural 5 god pool out of tart i can go for the cursed 8 god pool
proper furnace
Yup
drowsy saddle
that's 45% damage on fam favs
proper furnace
+45% from family favou- ye
drowsy saddle
welp, i know what the next run's gonna be
i need to grind out some titan blood anyways
and send some invitations
fluid frigate
made it. ended up not needing the DD 💀
opal trench
can you get power rush with beowulf?
vagrant crane
yes
idk if it actually works with the dragon rush because it specifically says bull rush
tight basin
minotaur rush?
yeah it's available on beo
idk if it actually works or not because it's a bad hammer for beo tho
proper furnace
Yeah minotaur works
plain river
also i only got this off the wiki so it might be wrong
Last I checked wiki isn’t wrong about any hammer compatiblities
Ever
opal trench
idk if it actually works with the dragon rush because it specifically says bull ...
im pretty sure it wont boost the cast damage just the physical hit damage
tight basin
Yeah that's how mino rush works
opal trench
and now that I think about it yes it is kinda stupid to use that on beo
plain river
Attack damage never adds to your cast damage
plain river
Minotaur rush isn’t something you really ever go out of you way to pick up
tight basin
You wanna do short rushes so you can get your casts back sooner
plain river
It’s a lot more effective to just spam cshot
tight basin
Also that yeah
plain river
Shield should have a flurry bash or a flurry rush tbh
plain river
Hold attack button and you just bash
opal trench
instantly start a new rush right at the end of the current one?
tight basin
Shield should have a flurry bash or a flurry rush tbh
It's just pulv blow basically
plain river
Yeah
opal trench
invinicibility
okay maybe that but removes blocking ability?
not really a shield now is it?
torn rune
First time beating the heroes without the shield, aspect of Arthur is broken
I BEAT HADES WITH A SWORD
languid hornet
that's achilles specifically, not every spear
yeah I meant achilles, should have specificed
nimble peak
Is it necessary to take HEAT in order to finish the story?
cunning urchin
No.
nimble peak
And what do I need to do to get all hearts on Dusa? Whenever I approach her I can't give her more Ambrosia. Do I need a special token or so for that?
cunning urchin
Dusa's favor involves the lounge renovations, which she has fallen behind on doing. Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor. After doing this, talking to Dusa will complete the A Place of Revelry prophecy and unlock the ability to give Ambrosia to her.
nimble peak
> Dusa's favor involves the lounge renovations, which she has fallen behind on d...
All done! And I even am after the story point with her and Nyx, which is why I'm confused
cunning urchin
Just a lot of dialogue to go through.
nimble peak
Just a lot of dialogue to go through.
Which is good, I was just wondering if I'm doing something wrong. I don't care about a bond with Ares but i want that aphrodite bond
torn rune
What’s the most trustworthy tierlist on weapon aspects, I want to see what others find good so o know what to save up for and try
cunning urchin
My aspect leveling guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players to give you a sense of what's good.
torn rune
Ok thank you
cunning urchin
All of the aspects are perfectly viable.
torn rune
I’ve started venturing into the lands of “pact of punishment” and I’m trying to find better stuff
solar siren
for the super soaker Lucifer build should I get Concentrated Beam, Triple Beam, or Flash Fire first?
solar siren
Alright
grave valve
Any good builds for the chiron aspect bow?
vagrant crane
Any good builds for the chiron aspect bow?
drunken flourish, heartbreak strike, get low tolerance and pom special
plain river
Turn on priviledged status for that
grave valve
Turn on priviledged status for that
Ok
cunning urchin
Any good builds for the chiron aspect bow?
Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
grave valve
Thanks
drowsy saddle
for the super soaker Lucifer build should I get Concentrated Beam, Triple Beam, ...
what is the super soaker build
vagrant crane
poseidon attack
drowsy saddle
oh so its like just
vagrant crane
you go for zeus poseidon duo
grave valve
What are some good Stygian blade builds
grave valve
Alright
solar siren
stupid, but funky
deals stupid damage too once you get Sea Storm and the jolted + rupture debuffs
literally the easiest run of my life 
ivory turtle
ok
grave valve
Any good aspect of Zeus builds?
proper furnace
zeus special into jolted
pom the later when possible
then add anything like zeus call, double strike, aphro atk into smoldering air duo etc
cunning urchin
You can make anything work very well on Special that isn't Tempest Flourish tbh.
olive zinc
if i were to get athena on aspect of Zeus' shieldspecial does that mean if i stay in it, it will deflect projectiles always and protect me from attacks like impervious
cunning urchin
An attack needs to make contact with a deflect box before it reaches your hurtbox in order to be deflected.
If the attack connects with both at the same time, you'll get hit and the attack won't be deflected.
The deflect box for Zeus Shield Divine Flourish is only active periodically, too, just for a brief moment whenever the hitbox is active.
cunning urchin
You'll be very safe if you just keep it close, but you're not gonna be invincible.
ivory turtle
If someone gives me a stupid/trash/funny/whatever build for fists (any aspect besides gilgamesh) I'll do it
tight basin
there's the full dodge chance on zag fists
take hermes plume and stack it up as much as possible
other option is ping pong talos
proper furnace
Talo yoyo is a famous one
tight basin
terrible boss damage tho
ivory turtle
I genuinely don't care, I just wanna do funny stuff lolll
proper furnace
Just get the million breaking wave procs
tight basin
could get lightning strike and then sea storm actually
that way you have some semblance of boss damage when you use your attack
olive zinc
You'll be very safe if you just keep it close, but you're not gonna be invincibl...
so exposed build and stuff
torn rune
How do people get so many duo boons, I’m lucky if I get one every 10 runs
ivory turtle
God's legacy helps
tight basin
dont even need to use gods' legacy for the increased duo chance tbh but it helps
been able to get like 3+ duos on gods pride
torn rune
I’m guessing I need to fully unlock the mirror?
proper furnace
Also filling up cores/using yarn of ariadne, refreshing nectar, etc
ivory turtle
Yeahh
tight basin
yeah was just gonna say that
torn rune
I’m at the one where I need 30 keys to unlock it, is that the final page?
tight basin
i think so
ivory turtle
I think so? That sounds right
tight basin
acatually
ivory turtle
tbh it's been a while
tight basin
dark foresight is 20
that'd help
oh fated persuasion helps with duos actually
so yeah the rest of the mirror will help
olive zinc
i just look at the codes for requirements for duo boons and try to make a build or atleast something that i think would work well and then get a duo by elysium always at asphodel if luck
tight basin
will say that having access to gods' legacy doesn't change much
ivory turtle
You'll need to have the boon list unlocked tho
also how does the ping pong talos build work??
tight basin
poseidon special on talos
cunning urchin
Gods' Legacy helps a whole lot with getting Duo Boons.
olive zinc
will say that having access to gods' legacy doesn't change much
yeah i tried a run with both it didnt make much of a difference but Gods pride i'd say was way better because i was seeing more epic boons now for things with no prereq and was getting more use out of gods pride
cunning urchin
also how does the ping pong talos build work??
Poorly.
tight basin
thunder flare sounded like a fun experience for you
ivory turtle
It was painful but genuinely quite fun
esp. with pressure points and hunters mark
aight I'mma give this a shot, you'll hear from me soon with updates :))
tight basin
dead in tart lol
cunning urchin
With just 1 duo/legacy in the pool, Gods' Legacy is between a 66% and 82% greater chance for it when you pick up the boon, between 30% and 39% greater chance if you have the god's keepsake or a Yarn of Ariadne/Refreshing Nectar, and between 16% and 26% if you have both.
ivory turtle
dead in tart lol
hopefully not
Update: survived tartarus
this is lowkey such a stupidly fun build
K I think I found a bug
The knock back on these skeletons are so obscenely hilarious
Like they immediately vacate my screen when I use special and I find it hilarious
ivory turtle
holy crap
I just beat theseus and asterius
like with extreme measures
this is the furthest I've gotten with a jank build
ok just about to fight hades 👀
SHOOT
I almost got it
Just specialed at a really bad time
vagrant crane
the talos experience
ruby siren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXv7inhjUWc would love any advice for how i could have made it the rest of the way thru dad fight 💜🖤 (nsfw for cursing)
tight basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXv7inhjUWc would love any advice for how i coul...
im at about 8 minutes in and can't exactly watch more atm, but i'm fairly certain a lot of this is covers the main basics of stuff that you should be doing.
-start with a god keepsake (zeus special or aphrodite attack)
-flat damage on the special (base 15 doesn't warrant a % modifier). zeus, ares, or dio
-use fated persuasion in the mirror (and dark foresight while you're at it, idk if you're using it or not)
-dont take meme beams unless you're using achilles or maybe poseidon; commit to meme beams before you leave the courtyard
-use the attack a lot more. it's slow, but it chunks. you also get a free 60% damage boost from shared suffering
-preferred hammers are twin/triple shot priority, 2nd hammer is point blank or perfect shot
-just because a boon is epic doesn't mean it's good. many boons work fine without rarity. mistral dash would've been the right pick at the start. it wouldn't have encouraged you into a meme beam build, allowed you to maintain boiling blood, and would've let you inflict chill. inflicting chill is gonna be super nice, esp considering this is rama and em4
oh regarding attack more: dash striking makes bows charge a lot faster. makes bows a lot less clunky and a lot easier to use
if you wanted to do a special only run, zeus would be best anyways lol
ruby siren
im at about 8 minutes in and can't exactly watch more atm, but i'm fairly certai...
wow this is so helpful. thank u!!! i like the meme beams 😩 question why does poseidon warrant the beams? they never stick inside the enemy so wouldnt they kind of render the poseidon aspect's dislodge effect useless?
i never noticed that dash-striking decreased the charge time, thats soooo helpful
tight basin
pos can use meme beams simply because it has a free 50% bonus damage without having to do anything lol
ruby siren
ahhh
tight basin
if you're a sword fan and dont like spear, it's an option
but achilles will always be better ofc
tight basin
i never noticed that dash-striking decreased the charge time, thats soooo helpfu...
yeah that mechanic lets rama actually be usable lol
it does a bit less damage, but the faster charge is more important
also worth mentioning, swift strike from hermes doesn't affect dash strike, only standing strikes. so it's not worth taking
oh also, zag holds the bow different from a standing vs dash strike
makes it more or less a rhythm game for bow
ruby siren
yea ive been venturing into maxed forced overtime lately n noticed that rama becomes bascially worthless bc of the charge time, i see how the dash strike could be a bit of a game changer there
tight basin
fo2 is tricky on rama yeah lol
you dont always have to do fully charged attacks on rama because of that
it's just better to get the damage out and dash away before you get hit
because otherwise you dont get any damage off
ruby siren
i could see the close-range +150% hammer coming in handy in that scenario
tight basin
yeah point blank is good
ruby siren
tryna pull off power shots is just immensely frustrating lmao
tight basin
i think it's preferred over perfect because of that? not sure because i dont really play rama too much
ruby siren
w forced overtime i mean
ruby siren
i think it's preferred over perfect because of that? not sure because i dont rea...
prob
tight basin
dont take any fo yet if you want to learn rama imo
when i used rama in a speedrun, fo1 vs fo2 was a pretty significant change for me
actually let me get shots off lol
ruby siren
hell yea, im bouta try a run with ur suggestions, ill lyk kno how it goes ❤️
tight basin
have fun
ruby siren
"-flat damage on the special (base 15 doesn't warrant a % modifier). zeus, ares, or dio" ahhh just processed that, insanely good advice, i wouldnt have thought of it
tight basin
"-flat damage on the special (base 15 doesn't warrant a % modifier). zeus, ares,...
oh btw, rama speedruns start with zeus special because the 60% shared suffering is enough for rama in tartarus. any good % boon will work for the atk, so starting with zeus special gives you a lot of aoe for smaller enemies
for the atk, any rarity aphrodite or epic demeter or athena are preferred. artemis also works, will need some more additive damage from chaos and hammers tho
vagrant crane
although rail only wants zeus attack
weird way of spelling aphrodite
drowsy saddle
hestia is just a bow but you can move while you charge lol
drowsy saddle
ngl i have no idea whats good on rails i just know aphro atk good on hestia
since big number
im no good at ammo management so i dont play them much (and hestia is just plain tough)
vagrant crane
hestia tough?
vagrant crane
you only need to do that at speed or heat really
you can get by like i used to pretty well with just attacking
drowsy saddle
yeah but i want to do speed hestia at some point
since it seems cool
eris is also on the radar
plain river
ngl i have no idea whats good on rails i just know aphro atk good on hestia
Zeus strike
Taking rocket bomb and cluster bomb
solar siren
for a Merciful End Zeus shield build, should I go Ares attack or special? And vice versa for Athena
solar siren
why special?
solar siren
hmm, I think it could also go both ways
solar siren
I’ll try Ares Atk Athena Special first
damn I don’t think I even need DDash for this
the merciful end procs are really fast
proper furnace
I like doom special for the slighty higjer base dmg but tbh just take the highest rarity one lol
Yeah ik is late idc
plain river
for a Merciful End Zeus shield build, should I go Ares attack or special? And vi...
Zeus is like the only aspect where it can go either or, really whichever is higher # when you find it I think
vagrant crane
Zeus is like the only aspect where it can go either or, really whichever is high...
wdym? have you not tried doom special zagfists⁉️
plain river
Nah
Every other aspect does it better with doom on strike and then athena on special because then you go athena on dash and just dashstrike into enemies
plain river
cunning urchin
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vagrant crane
APHRODITE‼️
errant narwhal
__**VALENTINE'S DAY CHALLENGE**__
**Always Trust Your Heart**
*“Why, dearest, yo...
tawny knoll
woeful pawn
Oh nice
ionic crown
rizzphrodite
cunning elk
Can we dedicate a run to greg
rugged falcon
Ooh
upper monolith
cunning urchin
Can we dedicate a run to greg
Follow your heart!
rugged falcon
We’re living in a-
woeful pawn
If someone dedicates one to me then I'll dedicate one to you cause a platonic valentines would absolutely rock
lucid oar
Can i dedicate a run to myself
woeful pawn
Self love is important
cunning urchin
If that's what your heart tells you to do.
cunning urchin
Absolutely!
earnest oak
can i dedicate a run to aphrodite
Midrodite
cunning urchin
bold valley
what does it mean if it says don't rob Thanatos? just don't beat him in his chamber game?
cunning urchin
Robbed Thanatos is a run clear message you can get if you beat him to 0.
So... don't do that!
It's rude!
bold valley
thanks very much!
grizzled estuary
Ohh so defeating all the enemies and not letting him kill a single one?
I think ill be doing a meetup with megara though
cunning urchin
I think ill be doing a meetup with megara though
It's fine to do multiple if you like. 
grizzled estuary
Wait how do you get disciple of aphrodite
vagrant crane
get 6 or more boons
tight basin
Isn't legendary required
cunning urchin
||You also need to not qualify for a title that has priority.||
vagrant crane
so no speedruns
grizzled estuary
Priority?
tight basin
Some run clear messages take priority
vagrant crane
some run clear messages have priority
like "hermes would be jealous"
for under 12 min
cunning urchin
The wiki list shows which ones have priority.
Fun fact: I once coached Lady Aphrodite in a run where we were trying to get the Disciple of Aphrodite run clear message for her for the first time... and we didn't make it because we met every requirement and avoided every other requirement for other run clear messages... except the run took over 60 minute in-game time and we got Slow and Steady instead. Which, to be fair, was very on-brand.
(Slow and Steady doesn't have priority, but the game picks one of the available options at random.)
cunning urchin
'Twas accurate in early access.
solar siren
So I just finished fully upgrading Beowulf, and I unlocked Lucifer a while ago, what hidden aspect should I work on next?
plain river
Rama
solar siren
why Rama?
solar siren
damnit y’all said the only aspect I’m currently missing
I have every other hidden aspect except that one 
tight basin
Lmfao
cunning urchin
Probably second best hidden aspect
"Probably"?
tight basin
Gilga sweeps
cunning urchin
Nothing.
It's somewhat universally considered to be the worst aspect in the game.
Still has a loyal fanbase, though.
It's unique, and even if it's the worst or contender for worst, it's still perfectly viable.
solar siren
Oh. Then what’s considered the best hidden aspect then
didn’t realize they were joking lol
tight basin
Not really any "best" aspect but the top tier ones include Beowulf, eris, hestia, and rama
proper furnace
what’s so good about Gilgamesh
Top 24 aspect
tight basin
Zeus shield can be thrown in as well even tho it's not as fast
proper furnace
Not really any "best" aspect but the top tier ones include Beowulf, eris, hestia...
Eris best hidden aspect
tight basin
True
dawn meteor
Eris best hidden aspect
wait the rail has other aspects outside of hestia?
tight basin
It's almost as if not everyone does boonless mirrorless lmfao
solar siren
now I’m kinda tempted to actually build Hestia first
proper furnace
Hesita is comfy
vagrant crane
hestia > eris
solar siren
but I’ve been having too much fun with Eris and Lucifer so I forget about it
how is it better than Eris though?
tight basin
They're pretty equal tbh
vagrant crane
you can use your movement keys
tight basin
Like both are really fast and are good at high heat
dawn meteor
It's almost as if not everyone does boonless mirrorless lmfao
But hestia do big number
tight basin
But hestia do big number
Eris can be bigger
proper furnace
They just need different sources of juice
vagrant crane
Eris can be bigger
routed?
tight basin
No just clockets
dawn meteor
Eris can be bigger
Bigger single number?
tight basin
And like
vagrant crane
for clockets
tight basin
Global damage boost is good
vagrant crane
if you click the special button
are 4 rockets boosted by the eris boost
if you don't have the boost currently
and all of them land
tight basin
Bigger single number?
If all the clockets hit at the same time it's a single number
dawn meteor
If all the clockets hit at the same time it's a single number
No its several small numbers the game tries to gaslight me into thinking is 1big number
proper furnace
Eris also has safety
tight basin
I mean yeah but strength wise they're very similar
vagrant crane
Eris also has safety
the 150% range in question:
proper furnace
Is called just kill everything before they touch you
vagrant crane
well fast and safe are two separate things
proper furnace
well fast and safe are two separate things
beo
tight basin
Yeah lmao beo isnt that safe
vagrant crane
i've only gotten to like c10 with beo before giving up because it's too annoying
tight basin
Okay then that's a skill issue
vagrant crane
well yeah i suck at it but that's because i don't bother playing it
tight basin
Fair
dawn meteor
What aspect has the absolute highest possible damage dealt in a single hit?
tight basin
i'd rather play a fun aspect
Bold statement coming from someone who did boonless and mirrorless
tight basin
What aspect has the absolute highest possible damage dealt in a single hit?
We've done this before lmao
vagrant crane
we did the math a bit ago
proper furnace
Not again
vagrant crane
it came out to approximately
vagrant crane
the heat in question:
proper furnace
vagrant crane
eris is stinky
dawn meteor
I have never tried eris
tight basin
I have never tried eris
Global 75% damage kinda based
tight basin
Spread fire eris kinda funny
vagrant crane
110 damage with shackle
i was considering it for boonless mirrorless but then i realised you're playing with a melee weapon
dawn meteor
Global 75% damage kinda based
Ok but what is its base damage?
vagrant crane
10
vagrant crane
you gotta get lightning strike
dawn meteor
Bad aspect
tight basin
Free 75% on each
vagrant crane
Bad aspect
the achilles in question:
dawn meteor
Never tried that either
tight basin
I wanna say 45
vagrant crane
i got my 32 with it and did gy and haven't used it since
tight basin
But no clue
dawn meteor
I think i have done like a total of 7 spear runs thus far and they were all miserable
tight basin
Like something like that
vagrant crane
well it would
tight basin
150% of 20 lol
tight basin
Isn't that 50
tight basin
Mood
dawn meteor
how am i in calc
True mathematicians just use a calculator for everything
tight basin
Also having a constant 150% upkeep is still good
dawn meteor
Depends on the field of mathematics
vagrant crane
applied mathematics is a scourge on academia
vagrant crane
mathematics exists as an art form
to practice physics, or engineering, under the guise of "mathematics" is to deface art
dawn meteor
Based
dawn meteor
to practice physics, or engineering, under the guise of "mathematics" is to defa...
Math was not meant to be warped Into "useful stuff"
I feel like we might have gotten off topic at some point during this conversation
vagrant crane
so flurry jab
dawn meteor
Mmm arthur big number🤤
cunning urchin
Oh. Then what’s considered the best hidden aspect then
Beowulf and Rama easily. Excalibur is up there for casual play (i.e., not speedruns or high heat).
Well, Beowulf better than Rama. Rama easily 2nd place for hidden aspects.
dawn meteor
What attack is the best for the biggest possible number?(i dont care about consistency)
vagrant crane
Arthur...?
plain river
What attack is the best for the biggest possible number?(i dont care about consi...
Rocket bomb + cluster bomb
dawn meteor
No but like boonwise
plain river
?
Oh aphrodite’s is the biggest +% for both attack and special, but artemis gives you crit as a multiplier if you don’t care about consistency
sweet dirge
weak + crit is insane
dawn meteor
Aphro+pp it is
sweet dirge
yeah sounds about right
vagrant crane
weak doesn't affect damage dealt
sweet dirge
weak doesn't affect damage dealt
really?
dawn meteor
Oooo
sweet dirge
im kinda new, what is DR?
dawn meteor
Bigger number
vagrant crane
damage reduction
vagrant crane
if you have weak on an enemy and they do an attack which typically deals 10, they'd deal 7
i think broken resolve is the one that increases that
dawn meteor
if you get Sweet Surrender then your second hit will deal more damage
They are meant to die to the first attack
sweet dirge
They are meant to die to the first attack
what weapon you using?
dawn meteor
I just air slash the first 2 and dash in with the really big one
sweet dirge
my personal fav build rn is a pos+aphr dash attack shield build
solar siren
Upgrading Lucifer isn’t a huge priority right? At-least for the super soaker builds
because I wanna focus on Rama right now
plain river
Upgrading Lucifer isn’t a huge priority right? At-least for the super soaker bui...
Not for super soaker builds but for regular lucifer like 90% of the dps is coming from the special
solar siren
I’ll just spam the super soaker build then
earnest oak
__**VALENTINE'S DAY CHALLENGE**__
**Always Trust Your Heart**
*“Why, dearest, yo...
Do I have to have the keepsake the whole run?
plain river
Do I have to have the keepsake the whole run?
P sure the answer is yes
cunning urchin
Do I have to have the keepsake the whole run?
Follow your heart!
cunning urchin
They are meant to die to the first attack
If you want to one-shot enemies consistently, it's either Hera or Beowulf.
icy crypt
what if we dont get clocket using eris? what are the alternatives?
relying on 2 hammer rng is just painful
cunning urchin
You only need that for competitive speedrun times.
tight basin
lmao yeah clockets is by no means necessary, it's just very good
eris can carry itself without any hammers
vagrant crane
you reset
icy crypt
hestia already a gigachad without any hammer
vagrant crane
does eris have a primary fire?
icy crypt
ricochet + piercing is just chef kiss tho
vagrant crane
i hadn't noticed
tight basin
ricochet + piercing is just chef kiss tho
hestia preferred hammers are still clockets lol
cunning urchin
Hestia without good hammers isn't really in a better place.
Which isn't a bad place because they're both top tier.
tight basin
bad hammers on hestia is just like "oh welp that's unfortunate" lmao
cunning urchin
If you wanna do anything competitive with it, it's just as painful.
ivory turtle
Ok
Besides merciful end, what's a fun powerful build for demeter fists??
(or even non-powerful, I'm mostly just looking for fun builds)
tight basin
Besides merciful end, what's a fun powerful build for demeter fists??
zeus attack, aphrodite special, zeus/dio call, smoldering air duo
tight basin
smair is a very strong duo lol
also not to mention that if you got a decent amount of zeus supporting boons, the atk is decently strong
also ofc charged upper with aphro chunks
earnest oak
Fun special based builds for Guan Yu?
proven osprey
any% special will do the trick. I like Artemis paired with hunter's mark for crit consistency
Other than that, Aphro is basically the go to because it's high damage and offers weak. However my personal favorite is Poseidon : very high damage, scales with razor shoals and rupture. Further than that, go for Zeus on attack and get sea storm, it's lovely
solar siren
what’s so good about Hestia? i keep seeing it talked about a lot in a positive light
I’m also kinda tempted to focus on it right now but I also wanna try Arthur or Hera out first
solar siren
ah I see
I think I’ll hold off on Hestia for now
I only have 5 titan blood
that just leaves Arthur and Hera
flint ember
which is better for guan yu with Poseidon on special sea storm or second wave?
lucid oar
Sea storm
vagrant crane
what's rotation for zagspear before flurry/if no flurryy
it seems to me like it's dstrike x2>strike x2
lucid oar
I just spam dash strike
tight basin
This is why we just use Achilles, where you spam special twice after dstriking twice
vagrant crane
i really wanna use achilles
but i used random number generator for m y next 32 aspect
tight basin
Oh rip
solar siren
can a Hunting Blades build work particularly well with Hera?
Also, could Blizzard Shot work well with the same aspect? I’ve never seen that specific duo boon mentioned a lot
tight basin
neither of those would work well on hera
hunting blades on hera is the same as just hunting blades on every other aspect that doesn't give your casts a boost
same with blizzard shot really
the only difference is that you can launch it closer to the enemy and stay farther back
with hera, you want your casts back asap, and both those casts don't drop immediately
you'd also ideally want them to one shot, so hunting blades would take a bit to do that
idk the damage output on blizzard shot, so i can't speak too much on that
solar siren
so Trippy Flare and Crush Shot are pretty much the only casts that work for Hera then?
damn
plain river
Lightning phalanx exists
proper furnace
Phalanx 
proper furnace
Fairly decent dmg, big deflect hitbox
God forbids you fail tho
Say goodbye to your casts as they fly away
solar siren
wait, so I use Infernal Soul on every Hera build except for Dio cast right?
proper furnace
Yeah
cunning urchin
so Trippy Flare and Crush Shot are pretty much the only casts that work for Hera...
Crush Shot best, Phalanx Shot second. Trippy Flare has good potential but always a slow start and relies entirely on finding extra ammo. Flood Shot and True Shot can both work well.
solar siren
Alright
I’ll try out Phalanx Shot first and see how it works
then I’ll go with Crush
vagrant crane
do you go for lightning phalanx
cunning urchin
You wouldn't wanna go for Lightning Phalanx on Hera Phalanx Shot tbh.
vagrant crane
do you lose track of your stones
cunning urchin
Not necessarily lose track, but it can take longer to pick them up and they can get stuck when they bounce to other enemies.
It's great for Poseidon because you can just dislodge when necessary.
solar siren
I never really lose track of my stones
vagrant crane
i hate hunting blades on lernie for a similar reason
solar siren
if anything I accidentally forget I have Lightning Phalanx and pick them up
vagrant crane
the blades just decide to go way far off into lava
cunning urchin
i hate hunting blades on lernie for a similar reason
Hunting Blades more like Hunt your Blades.
solar siren
I guess I could just go with Mirage Shot for more Phalanx shot damage
cunning urchin
I'd look for Parting Shot and maybe Deadly Reversal probably.
Mirage Shot if I happen to see both in Tartarus.
Maybe just Snow Burst actually.
@solar siren you should do the Monthly Challenge by the way.
solar siren
monthly challenge? what’s that
plain river
Check pins
It’s a challenge for Hades players to complete that gets sent out monthly
iron barn
whats the chance for than to show up taken over an entire run
iron barn
Thanks for the tip! 😃👍
tight basin
i think it's like a 50/50? or roughly around there
i dont remember where i heard it from tho lol so dont quote me on that
that might've been the chances for a tart survival room
grave valve
What’s a strat for rama bow?
tight basin
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
Thanks MiKE
vagrant crane
i read this in full every time it's posted
deep wagon
hi im a beginner :) im a particular fan of the bow and spear, what are some good boons to use with them?
cunning urchin
My newbie build guide is pinned #h1-for-new-players to get you started with something decent to explore builds from.
deep wagon
i dont think im far enough yet then 😅 idk what its saying
cunning urchin
i dont think im far enough yet then 😅 idk what its saying
I am talking about this one, not the aspect leveling guide. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
deep wagon
ohh ok
torn rune
What are some tips for going fast, my pb right now is 27 mins
tight basin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
this is a good starting point
a lot of it boils down to a good meta build, taking free rooms, and good enemy grouping
torn rune
Ok thank you
torn rune
I have a boon that deals bonus damage to bosses but I’m not sure if mini-bosses count like the megagorgon and doomstone
gilded wedge
I'm pretty sure 99% wave pounding doesn't work on minibosses
torn rune
Rip, ok thank you
solar siren
for a Crush Shot Hera build should I put Zeus on attack or special for the Privileged Status proc + Smoldering Air?
tight basin
Call
For pstatus use Demeter snow burst or attack
Or mistral dash if you're desperate
solar siren
well I already have aphro on call so rip
valid dagger
Just dont run pstatus
solar siren
but it’s fun 
uhh so I just got both Demeter Atk and Snow Burst
Atk is rare and burst is epic, which should I take
desert meteor
I wanted to unlock gilgamesh to i did a merciful end fists run to get to the bull boss
i got the merciful end but forgot to take the miniboss room lmao
also btw beowulf is so overrated i hated using it
sure it has ultra high damage attack but it sucks for most normal rooms where the enemies come in waves and are spread around
and you gotta aim the tip of the rush to end up at the enemies or it just misses the casts
lucid oar
Charged shot fixes all of these issues
Without charged shot it’s harder to group up enemies but it’s def doable
Just need some knowledge of spawn manips
desert meteor
Charged shot fixes all of these issues
i had it it didn't make it better
lucid oar
Um
lucid oar
Just need some knowledge of spawn manips
Do this then
But seriously it just takes a bit of practice
It’s not overrated in the slightest
tight basin
to be fair, unarmored numbskulls and witches in tart are extremely annoying with beo
basic spawn manips help with the spread, but when they come in waves it's still annoying
flint ember
what duo boons should i run on luci with Zeus on attack
vagrant crane
poseidon attack and sea storm, the most viable lucifer build ever
flint ember
ik but i am going for special spam with devine dash so you can dash into the Hellfires to detonate them reliably
proper furnace
Any dash works for that
You dont really need duos tho
If you get zeus call then taking aphro for smoldering air is always worth
(or most calls)
flint ember
or pray for triple bomb
proper furnace
I mean yeah thats a given
vagrant crane
ik but i am going for special spam with devine dash so you can dash into the Hel...
use tidal dash then
much much bigger aoe
so less risky to det
flint ember
If you get zeus call then taking aphro for smoldering air is always worth
just got that and used it against lernie and oh god have mercy
proper furnace
Smair moment
flint ember
use special use call then shoot away
flint ember
Smair moment
just got a hammer is eternal chamber good for the build?
proper furnace
What are the other options
flint ember
piercing fire targeting system or eternal chamber
proper furnace
I like targetting cuz global dmg
flint ember
alr will pick that