h1-builds-and-combat

[placid spindle]

To this day, what is your run-breaker? (If it applies)

[cunning urchin]

You mean when would I just throw the run?

[placid spindle]

When you know you're likely to lose the run after going throught the room/layer

(Losing in short term or later)

[cunning urchin]

I guess the universal one for me regardless of aspect is AP2 Roiling curse at 50+ with no rerolls because that's just gonna be a timeout. Also getting to EM4 with obviously not enough DPS and time.

Or being forced into a bad exchange with AP2.

Basically, unwinnable scenarios like that.

[placid spindle]

I see!

[flint ember]

alr ppl i need help

i got 2 paths to chose from

nvm

[stiff stone]

@broken nest re:

Have you some tips to be under 20 minutes?
Take every shop, side character room, and chaos you see. There are more advanced tips, but if your build is good, you can clear through most stuff pretty quickly.

[tight basin]

i think i gave them some tips at some point as well lol

if you want to optimize for speed, there's a few things you can do
take extreme measures 2 and forced overtime 2 (or fo1 if you aren't used to it yet and work your way up). the lernie fight with em2 is faster because the heads are grouped up a lot more, and fo2 makes enemies spawn faster, which can be a significant time save
using meg's companion battie is very helpful due to how fast it deals damage. it covers a good area and hits it all for 2500, so it's very consistent to hit
always taking the free room, such as midshops, chaos, and story rooms. i dont think there's any situations you would consider taking a combat room over a free room. if there are, it wouldn't be that many
pausing between decisions if you aren't already would cut down a lot of time as well

and also yeah get a meta build

[stiff stone]

The only time I would take a combat room over a free one is if it offers a core boon and if I'm sure that I won't see it after the free room. But if you goal is to go as fast as possible, then.. free rooms all the time.

[tight basin]

i think for only going under 20 minutes, doing that once could be fine

[valid dagger]

You’re just gonna need practice and a broad idea of what works well with what weapon so your damage is not abysmal

[broken nest]

Core boon?

[plain river]

Core boons are the ones that slot in on the left of your screen for attack, special, cast and dash, and they have different odds of being seen compared to regular boons

[stiff stone]

Oh, that sure, but my idea of a core boon is a duo/lego prereq

[plain river]

Double strike ain’t a core boon

[stiff stone]

By your standard perhaps

[tight basin]

most duos do require a core boon

[cunning urchin]

No.

[plain river]

Wrong?

[tight basin]

call is a core boon as well, just not a priority core boon

or something like that

probably

[cunning urchin]

Correct.

[plain river]

Call doesn’t share priority

[tight basin]

still a core

[cunning urchin]

Core boon is the term for boons that go in the 5 slots on the left.

[broken nest]

Core is the one you will need for your build?

[plain river]

No

[cunning urchin]

Priority boons are Attack, Special, Cast, Dash.

[broken nest]

Oh, okay, thanks !

[plain river]

Whoops

It’s been too long since I’ve played Hades

[broken nest]

After all I don't know all the english terms ^^'

[cunning urchin]

Priority as in, if you don't have a priority boon yet (at the very start of the run), the boon offers will be only priority boons. And if you have one but still have empty slots, you're guaranteed to be offered at least 1 boon for a priority slot.

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[tight basin]

these terms were coined by the community i'm pretty sure, "core" and "priority" boons aren't defined in the game

oh it rolls status boons before legendary/duo

didn't know that one

[cunning urchin]

Priority is what they're called in the game's script, in fact. Not sure if we were calling it that before we looked at the scripts since we figured out the mechanics and looked at the scripts for it at about the same time. Core is a community term.

[tight basin]

oh interesting

[cunning urchin]

The t2 status curse have "50% priority chance", which is why they're sometimes called priority boons, too.

Well, "priority chance: 0.5".

[tight basin]

kinda explains why i keep seeing shoals so often

i should prob take that more often then lol

[broken nest]

I don't think that I understood 2 and 3

[tight basin]

for 2: sometimes, a god can offer a replacement boon. so if you have artemis' attack and pick up an athena boon, theres a chance athena will offer you an attack boon that would replace artemis

the athena boon will be 1 rarity higher and will keep the same level

pretty sure about the level part anyways

[cunning urchin]

Exchanges can only be offered for priority boons: Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.

All correct.

There's a 10% chance that you'll see an exchange like that.

Assuming that it's possible. Like.. if you only have Deadly Strike from Lady Artemis and no other priority boons, then naturally Lady Artemis can't offer you an exchange.

If you're not offered an exchange, then the slot is filled with a random priority boon for any open priority slot that you have.

If you don't have an open slot, then skip to step 4.

[still cairn]

What keepsakes are good with the bow?

[vagrant crane]

aphrodite

artemis

[still cairn]

Okay ty

[dawn meteor]

is triple bomb better than targetting system for hestia?

[tight basin]

Depends if it's 1st or 2nd hammer I think

Actually nvm rocket is available for both

Prob triple

Maybe targeting might be better because hazard is still open I think

Idk lmao

[earnest oak]

Are hammers counted as boons in boonless runs?

[tight basin]

No

[earnest oak]

What about chaos?

[tight basin]

I think for the leaderboards, it doesn't count
But for in game titles, it's fine

[cunning urchin]

Chaos boons are boons. For the boonless leaderboard, the rule is that you may not benefit from any boon in your run.

So technically, you can have Chaos boons so long as you don't benefit from them.

Like.. if you get Special damage but don't use your Special for the rest of the run.

For the unique dialogue and run clear message, the rule is that you may not have any purgeable boons by the end of the run. Chaos boons can't be puged, so you can have those at the end of the run.

[vagrant crane]

can you benefit from bouldy

[cunning urchin]

No.

[vagrant crane]

noooooo

poor bouldy :(

[tight basin]

Just get ambiguity bonus

[dapper lagoon]

is call not considered a priority boon?

[cunning urchin]

Correct.

[broken nest]

Thanks ! And thanks to Nya too, it's easier to understand now

[turbid needle]

Does extending jab affect the range of my dash strike?

[plain river]

Pretty sure it’s only standing strikes

[turbid needle]

Ugh

Okay

[cunning urchin]

Only standing attacks, yeah.

[junior fjord]

https://i.imgur.com/SYeffwq.jpg

Trying to decide if buying some blood is worth ruining this meme build since I'm still early on upgrading weapons

(arthur sword, so highish damage to start)

[cunning urchin]

Ruin it how? You have enough to buy the Titan Blood.

[junior fjord]

oh, but then I lose the bonus damage from having 2000 gold hoarded

(hoarding slash)

[gilded wedge]

winning against hades is basically the same result as buying blood and you get new bounties

[junior fjord]

that's true, but the greedy way would be to buy the blood and win (I bought the blood and then lost since I'm still bad)

[cunning urchin]

I don't think the Hoarding Slash damage would have made a difference.

[plain river]

Lose 100 extra damage on arthur

[junior fjord]

no, I don't think it would have either

[cunning urchin]

This way you have the Titan Blood at least.

[cunning urchin]

5% of 1,200 is 60.

[plain river]

No I was implying buy an anvil

I wasn’t

[cobalt moat]

How do you guys decide when to pick centaur hearts over skills? Do you just reach a target HP (IE: 250) and then always go for the skill instead? Have you found that you go for centaur hearts less and less as you get better at the game and start taking less damage?

I've had over 400 life a few times now and I'm realizing that my runs would be faster if I'd picked more skills instead.

[uncut oar]

Usually i try to aim for 300 hp

But if i see a god that i want boons from, i'd take them over the heart

[tight basin]

i found myself picking up less hearts when i got better at the game mechanically lol

[uncut oar]

I did not get better at the game mechanically

[tight basin]

like "huh i cleared and didn't use a single DD" or just used 1

[uncut oar]

I can only do that if i have too much hp/can melt hades

[gilded wedge]

I find myself trying to get at least one heart before lernie, ideally 200 before heroes

[proper furnace]

I used to do that too iirc

[opal trench]

every single blasted time I end up accidentally making demeter cast build with crystal clarity and every blasted time the lasers out damage whatever the original build was supposed to be

[dusk quartz]

I just started playing Hades recently but I have been playing it nonstop and I’ve gotten pretty far

Is the bow the best weapon with the tracking upgrade?

[opal trench]

chiron bow is definitely the easiest way to deal lots of dmg single target but "strongest weapon" comes down to personal preference

the fists are the best because they dont need any specific hammers to be crazy effective they're just strong as is

shield has survivability

the machine gun has range

it depends

[tight basin]

Well that's one reason why fists is good but they're definitely not the best lol

Best weapons are mainly split in top half and bottom half

Bow, rail, and shield are top half

Fists sword and spear are bottom half

In no particular order

[dusk quartz]

But even if it isn’t here’s a simple build that got me all the way to hades

1. Go for Dionysus special gives hangover (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE LOCK ON, ON THE BOW)

2. Get charm on normal attack for the double stack

3. If you get a chance to upgrade add more arrows too your special

4. AS MUCH CRIT AS POSSIBLE and anything that goes along with crit get it on your special

5. From there you’ll know what to do and become super stacked

[tight basin]

Chiron is sorta in the middle of all the aspects, it's very good at casual playing levels but can't do too well at the extremes

[tight basin]

You forgot to get the duo for aphro and Dio lmao

Low tolerance

The main part of that build is just pomming the crap out of your hangover

[dusk quartz]

I don’t know the combos, I’m just saying what works insanely well for me

[dusk quartz]

And it’s fun as hell

[tight basin]

I mean I'm telling you how to make it better lol

[dusk quartz]

What two boobs do I need

Boons lol

[tight basin]

Start dio special

[dusk quartz]

For the combo

[tight basin]

Get Aphrodite atk

The duo should be open by then

[dusk quartz]

Yup

Alright

I must be blind then because I do not notice

[tight basin]

The crit stuff isn't too important tbh

[opal trench]

yea that was just poor wording lmao

[tight basin]

It's nice to find but is eh

[opal trench]

I dont even think you can term any weapon as best

[dusk quartz]

But when you have 11 arrows it’s crazy

[opal trench]

theyre very well balanced

[dusk quartz]

Upgrade crit dmg

[tight basin]

Concentrated volley outdamages relentless volley

[dusk quartz]

Concentrated is what I said to use

[tight basin]

Unless your Chiron isn't maxed

[dusk quartz]

That’s the lock on right?

[tight basin]

No

Conc volley is a hammer

Like +3 damage for a consecutive hit by the special

[dusk quartz]

What does it do

[dusk quartz]

Oh yeah I get that after the extra special arrows

[tight basin]

So it goes from 10 13 16 etc for each arrow hit

Get conc before if you can

Chiron gives max stacks of hangover without the extra arrows

So its largely pointless

[dusk quartz]

Chiron is what?

I’m sorry I’m bad with names and boon names

[tight basin]

The bow with the lock on special

[dusk quartz]

Yea

[tight basin]

You have it maxed I'm assuming

[dusk quartz]

Idk with crit and stuff the extra arrows still do a lot

[dusk quartz]

I don’t lmao

[tight basin]

Nah

Oh what level

[dusk quartz]

Level 2

LOL

[tight basin]

Okay then relentless volley is better for now lol

[dusk quartz]

Yea the instructions I gave was more for beginners like me

[tight basin]

Just drop the crit stuff and add the duo part and it's fine lol

Crit isn't necessary and if you take an Artemis core you'll clog the duo pool

Unless it's like hunters dash or something idk check the prereqs

[dusk quartz]

But when you level up the amount of crit damage

It does a ton more with how many arrows are being shot

Then the mark

[tight basin]

I mean the crits are fine

You just don't aim for that in this build unless you just randomly find Artemis naturally

[dusk quartz]

Also does the game story end when you beat hades?

Besides extra dialogue and stuff

[tight basin]

Play and find out lol

[dusk quartz]

Damnnn

[tight basin]

I don't want to spoil anything yet

Also you might wanna considering sticking to #h1-for-new-players for the time being

[dusk quartz]

The only reason I bought Hades and played it is because my science teacher recommended it to me

[dusk quartz]

Didn’t see that channel

Lmao

[tight basin]

Lmao based teacher

[dusk quartz]

He 100% it so I trusted him

But I gotta say my favorite thing about Hades is there’s no commonly agreed “BEST WEAPON” from what I’m seeing at least

[tight basin]

Yeah there isn't really unless it's for a specific category but even then it can get a bit muddy

[dusk quartz]

I know Hades 2 is coming out so my goal is to 100% Hades then go to Hades 2

[tight basin]

Theres like top aspects and bad aspects but there isn't exactly a #1 thing

[dusk quartz]

Yea

It’s nice

[tight basin]

Unless you get like really into the game, you can use whatever you want and it'll be fine

[dusk quartz]

Also how do I find the final forms of weapons

[tight basin]

Keep playing and find out yourself naturally or check pins in #h1-story-discussion

[dusk quartz]

In my opinion I think with no doubt AT ALL in my mind is the bow

[dusk quartz]

Ok

[tight basin]

Bow is pretty good yeah

Kinda surprised you like the bow, a lot of newer players seem to dislike the bow lmao

[cunning urchin]

Hidden shield is pretty much that tbh.

[dusk quartz]

What???? How

[dusk quartz]

I hate the shield

So much

There’s nothing you can do to make me use it

[tight basin]

A lot of people say the charge is too slow

[dusk quartz]

So use special

[cunning urchin]

Bow takes practice.

[tight basin]

And then we tell them dash striking charges it faster and then they find it bearale lol

[dusk quartz]

I’ve used it for the last 15-20 runs

[cunning urchin]

Compared to something like Twin Fists where you just hold down Attack and mash Dash and you'll be okay.

[dusk quartz]

Trying all types of new things

Boxing gloves are mid

[tight basin]

They are indeed mid

[cunning urchin]

They're not mid, they're bottom.

[dusk quartz]

But what’s annoying is I despise all weapons besides the bow

[tight basin]

Everything is mid if you don't build or play it correctly tbf

Except a few things

[dusk quartz]

So idk

Bc I use the Gatling every now and then

[opal trench]

boxing gloves are very versatile tho

[dusk quartz]

But for special build up

[tight basin]

Bow sucks because you can't build merciful end on it

Clearly

[dusk quartz]

What does merciful end do?

[cunning urchin]

If by versatile you mean all Malphon builds that aren't Merciful End are somewhat equally bad.

[dusk quartz]

What is merciful end

I’m sure I’ve seen it

Just don’t know what it does

[cunning urchin]

It's a Duo Boon. Any ability that deflects will trigger Doom instantly.

[dusk quartz]

Damn

[cunning urchin]

So you put Doom on Attack, deflect on Dash.

[dusk quartz]

I think today I’ll play a little of boxing gloves

[cunning urchin]

Also adds 40 damage to the Doom for who knows what reason.

[dusk quartz]

But the bow will always be my favorite

I don’t understand why not use it, if I’m fighting the Mino and the other guy, I DO NOT want to be in close proximity at all

That’s why I at least always put charm on attack so if I do get hit I’ll be fine

[cunning urchin]

https://i.imgur.com/DO2o4ar.png

[dusk quartz]

What?

[cunning urchin]

He has the high heat WR for bow, you wanna argue with him?

If Tailesque says so, it's true.

[dusk quartz]

But how

How are all weapons

A bow

[plain river]

Sword is just bow without draw time or range

Fists is same but faster (and kinetic launcher)

spear is bow but slower and heavier

(With exploding and charged)

Cshot literally just makes your shield bow

Gun bow but fast and weaker

[cunning urchin]

Normal Bull-Rush is bow but you're the arrow.

Proof: The arrow is invulnerable. Zagreus is invulnerable during Bull-Rush. Therefore, Zagreus is the arrow.

[dusk quartz]

But like, you could say that with about anything, I could say some bull to make a statement like all weapons are boons or whatever

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but you don't have the high heat WR with all weapons.

[plain river]

Kinetic makes your special into bow

[cunning urchin]

So therefore you're not automatically right like Tailesque is.

It's how logic works.

[lucid oar]

Tied*

[cunning urchin]

We've always counted the first person to reach a Heat as WR holder.

[solar siren]

Trying to do a Merciful End build for Eris aspect, should I start off with Ares special or Ares attack?

[valid dagger]

Attack

If you want ME to really shine don't run Eris tho

[solar siren]

what other duo boon builds should I try then? cause I really wanna get the feel for Eris

[plain river]

Smouldering air

[valid dagger]

Eris doesn't really need any Duos

[vagrant crane]

use hestia instead 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[valid dagger]

Smoldering Air / Lightning Rod are nice if you come across them tho yea

[solar siren]

HUH?

WHAT WAS THAT

[tight basin]

?

[solar siren]

uhh

nevermind

not really sure what to build for Eris because I always use duo boon builds for all the aspects

[vagrant crane]

aphrodite 💪 💪 💪 💪

[tight basin]

i mean it's just strong enough that it doesn't need to aim for any lmao

lightning strike -> aphrodite/artemis special is all you need tbh

tidal dash is nice

if you want a call, zeus or dionysus is good

[vagrant crane]

can it sustain itself off of shackle?????????????

[valid dagger]

no

[vagrant crane]

pwecisely

[tight basin]

20 base damage bullets go hard

[vagrant crane]

for the first 7 chambers

[solar siren]

Then I’ll focus on upgrading Eris first, cause I have really low Titan blood atm

[vagrant crane]

isnt eris still functional at low blood

[solar siren]

yeah but I want MORE damage

[vagrant crane]

hestia 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

if you want MORE then use hestia 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[tight basin]

hestia isn't functional at low level lmao

[vagrant crane]

wdymi love 50 damage

[solar siren]

so if I wanna use Lightning Rod for Eris which casts should I be using

or do I not need a specific cast

[vagrant crane]

i think a cast is a prereq isnt it

[valid dagger]

no

[vagrant crane]

or is that some other boon

[solar siren]

oh wait nvm

I have Stygian rn

going with Smouldering

[vagrant crane]

aphrodite stays winning

[solar siren]

man I should really take off Stygian it kinda doesn’t help me a lot compared to Infernal

[vagrant crane]

yes

unless you are a sick freak who changes your mirror for hermes boons

that fraud

[tight basin]

isn't stygian better

for non cast based builds

because it removes a hermes boon from the pool

or like, take out 2 adds 1

[plain river]

Eris is a castpect

[tight basin]

true

carry on

also stygain gets rid of rod

[vagrant crane]

sick freak

[tight basin]

i mean i never change it lol

i'm too lazy

[vagrant crane]

good

[tight basin]

and i keep forgetting

for a bit i used to change it for hestia

but then i got lazy

[solar siren]

yeah I’m gonna restart just so I can switch out Stygian

[valid dagger]

On Eris your cast can be big supplementary damage

[solar siren]

oooh what if I just go for Hunting Blades on Eris

[valid dagger]

If you're speedrunning maybe but I prefer Infernal all the time

[solar siren]

instead of Smouldering

[valid dagger]

Smoldering is likely better

[tight basin]

i prefer infernal all the time because i forget to switch 😎

[solar siren]

Is Deadly Reversal actually good? I’m confused on the wording and if it works like Merciful End

[plain river]

It does work

[tight basin]

when you deflect anything, you get a global crit chance for a few seconds

[solar siren]

oh

[tight basin]

you typically dont aim for the duo i dont think, it's generally a supplementing duo

like "i already have this, might as well get this next"

the only time you would aim for it is probably on nemesis if you started shackle

[solar siren]

Yeah I think I’ll just go for Heart Rend on Nemesis most times

I thought the critical chance activated even if you didn’t deflect anything like Merciful End

[tight basin]

well the doom from ME always drops because that's just how doom works

ME makes it drop immediately

[dawn meteor]

hestia is bestia

[olive zinc]

i got cold fusion duo with the fists again accidently

[limpid latch]

Best cast I’ve ever had last run

Ice Wine
Scintillating Fog

Throw in Winter Harvest

[next oriole]

just got my first sub 20 with eris yeeeee

[tight basin]

gamer

[cunning urchin]

Next up is Eris WR.

[nimble peak]

What do I need to be offered High Tolerance from Dionysus?

[cunning urchin]

Trippy Shot or Trippy Flare.

His Cast.

[next oriole]

eris wr is like 5 minutes LOL

i think its the wr out of all weapons too

[cunning urchin]

No, Hera has modded and unmodded WR. Eris has the seeded WR at 2:48.

[tight basin]

my guess for eris wr is like 5:30

5:50 unmodded, 5:04 modded

i really picked like the midpoint

[lucid oar]

My guess for eris wr is 5:50 unmodded, 5:04 modded and 2:48 seeded

Uhh

[tight basin]

those sound like good guesses

[lucid oar]

6:48 32 heat

9:17 50 heat

Dunno 40

[cunning urchin]

You're not supposed to know, you're supposed to guess.

[lucid oar]

7:20

[cunning urchin]

You're off by milliseconds on each of them, though.

So... you're wrong.

[lucid oar]

[cunning urchin]

A shameful performance. I expected better.

[next oriole]

either way those are some insane records
best ill ever get is probably like 15

[lucid oar]

I thought I’d never crack 10

[cunning urchin]

There's plenty of great players here you can learn from if you want to push for speed.

And lots of great resources to look at.

[vagrant crane]

what are fun lucifer builds

wait why do i have 100 health

oh right

[tight basin]

dire lucifortune

[still cairn]

Guys, some good builds? I just need to complete a run for the first time, I really need some titan blood rn so i'm looking forward to abuse some stuff 🙂

[lucid oar]

Check pins

[still cairn]

Ok

Oh ok i see lmao

[tight basin]

there's also a titan blood guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players

doesn't include hidden aspects tho

[still cairn]

I used all the blood and ambrosia already though

[cunning urchin]

I actually like focusing on the ramp a lot more with Heartbreak Strike, then maybe mix in Smair and Heart Rend with Deadly Flourish. Much more single-target focused, which makes room clear slower (Smair helps of course), but boss damage is pretty good.

Tidal Dash of course also helps with room clear.

[soft shoal]

@cunning urchin common rush delivery is definitely the next pick right?

vs common swift strike/flourish and reroll

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

Next time you think about asking me whether to pick Rush Delivery if you already have Hyper Sprint, instead of pressing send just click on Rush Delivery.

[soft shoal]

that is a very reasonable instruction

[tight basin]

Only other time is if you have ME going and it's common rd vs epic dashes

[cunning urchin]

If you don't see Rush Delivery, you press reroll without looking at the other options. Unless you see epic Greatest Reflex, then probably just pick that.

[soft shoal]

sweet, I took rarity buff from eury and got heroic static discharge and rare rush delivery

[cunning urchin]

If you're asking me for coaching for speedrunning, my instructions will very often be some variation of "asking me that is costing you more RTA than just clicking on any random option here."

[soft shoal]

ahahaha fair

that's even more true as I'm not even planning on speedrunning

[tight basin]

This is why igt is better

[soft shoal]

I just wanted to learn FO2 so I could do my runs faster so I can get currency faster

[tight basin]

Oh that's fair

[soft shoal]

alright last question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932277838755819630/1072341749994901714/image.png

anything else I should be aiming for?

[vagrant crane]

smair

[soft shoal]

otherwise I'll just use persephone flower

[cunning urchin]

No. RTA better because "if you love life, don't waste time, for time is what life is made of."

IGT doing sub 10 runs in 30 minutes.

[vagrant crane]

parting shot lol

[soft shoal]

I've sadly used both zeus and aphro keeps already

[cunning urchin]

Terrible.

Hourglass or Acorn.

[soft shoal]

wait really?

[vagrant crane]

dont u have a million pommable boons

what do you hope to achieve with mom pom

[soft shoal]

idk I thought it's like 6 bonus levels in styx

[vagrant crane]

6 bonus levels to like your cast

[soft shoal]

lol

[cunning urchin]

Hourglass or Acorn in Elysium. Acorn in Styx.

[vagrant crane]

when you could have a +50% carrying over to dad

or 5 ignited ichors

[soft shoal]

with hourglass?

[cunning urchin]

You can buy from the Well before Styx, then swap your keepsake afterwards. Won't last to dad if you do all 5 tunnels, of course.

But if you do 2 tunnels and head right to dad after that, you'll get the bonus.

[soft shoal]

I have a 1 star hourglass lol

but I'll level it up

I have been overvaluing mom flower it seems

[cunning urchin]

A lot.

[soft shoal]

I take it every styx

[cunning urchin]

Pom Blossom is like... niche pick for Cast builds that want to start with a random Cast for fun.

[soft shoal]

I will check my run stats after this and show you how many runs end in flower

[vagrant crane]

1 is 1 too many

[soft shoal]

I just thought that levels had diminishing returns, so having everything on level 2 would be a great boost of power

[cunning urchin]

If you have a very slim build with boons that have great pom scaling and you're planning to do all 5 tunnels anyway, then Pom Blossom would be great value at the end of a run tbh. That's like... the only time you'd want it in Styx lol.

And probably still better if you just picked Acorn and had High Confidence on.

[tight basin]

Some boons are pretty useless lol

Useless in the sense that levels don't matter on it because it's not an important part of your build

[soft shoal]

I've usually been doing 5 tunnels to get enough gold for the big item in styx

[tight basin]

"oh boy lvl 3 divine dash"

[cunning urchin]

You wanna trim down your weak boon picks btw.

[vagrant crane]

you get more by going faster

the time you save with a 2sack will let you get another meg in for more blood/diamond/whatever

[soft shoal]

how do I trim down when I'm offered weak boons? just avoiding taking that god in the first place?

[vagrant crane]

golden touch

[tight basin]

Yeah

[soft shoal]

yeah I just swapped it in so I can hopefully get the big item with a 2 sack

[vagrant crane]

dark regeneration

[tight basin]

If you don't need the god, don't take them

[soft shoal]

well I basically only need zeus now right?

[tight basin]

If I'm playing Zeus shield with Zeus special and ares is offered, I'm skipping over it unless I'm in Elysium with no attack boon

Some gods are always nice to have like Athena tho

Ddash is neat

[vagrant crane]

ddash 4ever

[soft shoal]

ddash is life

[tight basin]

DD refills too

[vagrant crane]

athena is awesome

aph is better ofc

but athena is awesome

[tight basin]

If you're starting Zeus, you always want more zeus

The idea is to get jolted and aim for splitting

[soft shoal]

yeah but at this point do I ignore all other gods?

[tight basin]

Obv splitting isn't necessary

Yeah

Take Aphrodite and Zeus for a chance at smair

But that's about it

Always take Zeus for more supporting boons like double strike

And then splitting would be neat to get but ofc not necessary

[soft shoal]

oh yeah aphro too

[soft shoal]

what's wrong with dark regen?

[vagrant crane]

less health

less consistent health

[soft shoal]

is that different when I'm usually grabbing darkness?

[tight basin]

Dont pick up Athenas cast because you'll open up her duo with zeus

[vagrant crane]

you shouldn't usually be grabbing darkness

it's like 10 as a chamber reward

it generally amounts to a bit of healing after bossfights but you're still getting resources so i assume you're doing your bounties

[cunning urchin]

That's all the boons you could have easily skipped, and the yellow ones are the pommable boons that would have left you with, so any poms would be guaranteed to get on Attack, Special, or Static Discharge with only one option not being there because Divine Dash. You just went and picked up Lady Athena boons left and right that don't really do anything for you. https://i.imgur.com/tslz8Ia.png

[soft shoal]

vs like 2 healing per chamber though?

[cunning urchin]

High Voltage pick kinda okay, but if you had Call open, you could have gotten Zeus' Aid there.

[vagrant crane]

3 healing every chamber versus 6 healing every 4-7 chambers

[tight basin]

Wait is that Athena call

[soft shoal]

wait I have zeus's aid

[tight basin]

Zeus aid is good to keep

[soft shoal]

I have LC on

[cunning urchin]

Lies. If I say it's Athena's Aid, it's Athena's Aid.

I am never wrong.

[vagrant crane]

2 healing every chamber vs 5 healing every 4-7 chambers

[soft shoal]

lol

[cunning urchin]

Chthonic Vitality better.

[soft shoal]

I assume the darkness from bouldy and sisiphus and dark thirst does not change that?

[vagrant crane]

no

you should really never even need the healing after bosses either

[cunning urchin]

I mean it's like... the difference doesn't matter too much, but all experienced players use Chthonic like 100% of the time. That should say something.

[vagrant crane]

because aspho is aspho/lernie is lernie

and you get healing in styx

[soft shoal]

alright, I'll change that over then

what am I looking for from chaos?

[vagrant crane]

and golden touch isn't preferable

[cunning urchin]

Strike and Flourish when using Zeus Aspect.

[vagrant crane]

having a boon that makes your tart faster will net you faster resources than buying the thing in styx

the dzeus special is only affected by global right

like the boon not the aspect

[tight basin]

Yeah

[soft shoal]

isn't my damage coming from the lightning not the shield?

[cunning urchin]

Idk about that, I think Golden Touch is fine early game tbh.

[tight basin]

I mean the shield is still hitting quite often

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Special has respectable base damage.

[tight basin]

Not to mention the rd

[soft shoal]

rd?

[vagrant crane]

rush delivery

[soft shoal]

oh right

and I'm supposed to avoid rolling curse

is enshrouded that bad?

[tight basin]

Depends when you take it

[vagrant crane]

extremely annoying sometimes

[soft shoal]

29

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish is BiS, but you can get respectable damage with a % Special like Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish just as well.

[soft shoal]

ok I said last question before but ig I'll ss this chaos set too

[tight basin]

I wouldn't take it unless you've already seen a trial on a door and have seen midshop already

And you don't need anything else

[soft shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932277838755819630/1072346568952389662/image.png

[cunning urchin]

Zeus Special is like in the sweet spot where flat and % are both great.

[soft shoal]

what's BiS?

[vagrant crane]

best in slot

[soft shoal]

right

[cunning urchin]

Second option or reroll.

[vagrant crane]

can the special even backstab

[cunning urchin]

Or if you want to be yourself again, take another Roiling curse while learning to be fast.

[soft shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932277838755819630/1072346908548419614/image.png

lmao

[vagrant crane]

bruh

[soft shoal]

I'm taking the middle

but the last is very tempting

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[soft shoal]

verrrry tempting

[cunning urchin]

No, middle option lol.

[soft shoal]

I will not use all those DDs anyway

[cunning urchin]

You probably don't even need one of the 3 DDs you have, what are you gonna do with another.

Well, tbf if you take a roiling curse, you might need to use one.

So there's that.

[soft shoal]

lmao I'm quite bad mechanically

[vagrant crane]

not press movement keys during hades fight

[soft shoal]

so I'll probably use a couple of DDs

also I've been going for chaos over anything

[cunning urchin]

lmao the +119% probably does more for that, though.

[soft shoal]

I assume that I should have taken hammers over chaos

[tight basin]

Hey taking the roiling is only 55% not quite js3
Would be funny to take tbh

[cunning urchin]

Maybe in Tartarus but otherwise no.

[cunning urchin]

But Hell mode already has JS1 lol.

[soft shoal]

as in, it was correct to take all these chaos gates?

I have no hammers yet lol

[cunning urchin]

Pretty much.

In a speedrun, you'd just reset if you take Chaos Gates but miss all the other hammers probably lmao.

[soft shoal]

lol

[soft shoal]

lmao you were indeed correct, I am dumb

[cunning urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/selena-gomez-pretty-well-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-17559221

[tight basin]

Yeah the roiling was 35%

So 55

[cunning urchin]

Okay, but why even look at the numbers if you see Roiling. You're weird.

Imagine wasting RTA to look at Roiling numbers smh.

[tight basin]

I looked at the numbers because it's funny to take roiling when you're trying to go fast

[cunning urchin]

Apparently the highest it can go to is 80%.

[soft shoal]

yay I got splitting

[cunning urchin]

Double 80% in c12 with unarmored Witches probably gonna take longer than a whole run.

[tight basin]

That sounds fun

[cunning urchin]

Ideally Speeder or Seeker.

And Cloner.

Which isn't unarmored tbf but will probably be slower lol.

[cunning urchin]

@soft shoal highly recommend watching this btw. https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI

[soft shoal]

will do

[cunning urchin]

@soft shoal also, don't use #h1-victory-boasting just to upload images that aren't victory boasting.

[soft shoal]

I'll change it to a boast

[broken nest]

I wish there were subtitles ;;;

[cunning urchin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/edit

Same guide as a google doc.

[tight basin]

not me rewatching the video to see if the autogenerated ones are good lmao

quick reload dislodges your cars from enemies faster
man i hate it when my car is stuck in an enemy and i have to wait to get it out

[broken nest]

They have done it ❤️

Thanks you !

[tender geode]

@cunning urchin I know a pretty decent choas shield combo...

[cunning urchin]

What does that have to do with me?

[tender geode]

i mean in your doc you said there wasn't any choas shield combos...

[tight basin]

the best chaos shield build is just a zag shield build

[cunning urchin]

In my doc? What doc?

[tight basin]

might be the pin

even tho it isn't your build guide

[tender geode]

oh...

[cunning urchin]

Probably the speedrun guide I linked?

I didn't write that lol.

But Chaos shield sucks for speedruns, you ain't gonna make a breakthrough there with your build, m afraid.

Plenty of fun builds for it.

But any build for it that relies on the Attack > Special rotation is gonna be worse than just Merciful End or spamming Charged Shot.

In terms of DPS, which you want for speedruns.

[tender geode]

ಠಿ_ಠ

[mortal sapphire]

Just from description I can't tell whether Flash Fire or Concentrated beam is the better choice?

[lucid oar]

Flash fire imo

[mortal sapphire]

Also - first time playing the hidden rail - sometimes zag pulses something that triggers the special explosion, but sometimes he doesn't. Why's that? What's the mechanism?

[last dirge]

Damage

So just have a damaging dash really

Zeus on special will also summon lightning bolts onto enemies in its range. So they become mines.

Zeus on attack's chain lightning will also trigger it

[proper furnace]

Also putting a 4th bomb on screen will detonate the 1st one

[plain river]

Concentrated beam because it gives better triple bomb odds

So concentrated beam is better

[nimble peak]

Okay so I am still missing RIP CURRENT (Poseidon), IMPENDING DOOM (Ares), RUSH DELIVERY (Hermes), GLACIAL GLARE (Demeter), and AMBUSH, DEFIANCE from Chaos.
Are all those Boons that Stack up on others?

[plain river]

Rip current you need poseidon call, impending doom you just need any of the doom appliers, rush delivery you need plume or greater haste or hypersprint, glacial glare you need meme beams from dem, ambush you need shadow presense switched on to find, and defiance you need any chaos boon to find

[acoustic skiff]

rip current took me forever to get for prophecy, had whole runs where I just didn't get call and if I did I didn't get current anyway

[vagrant crane]

does sudden rush change the time it takes to get your shield up?

[lucid oar]

With charged shot it def does

Probably does without but I’m not certain

[silent blaze]

how did you get divide dash to lv 40 wtf

[plain river]

Someone routed a run to get lvl 50 heroic divine dash

@turbid needle

[last dirge]

Why would you even want lvl 50 heroic divine dash

[lucid oar]

For funny

[last dirge]

It's the easiest dash because it's good even as a common

Lvl 50 heroic hunter dash 😍

+500% dash strike dmg

It is funny

Blade dash 😍

[plain river]

It wouldn’t be anywhere near there lol

[plain river]

tidal dash

[last dirge]

Depends on what you're looking for

Tidal dash is silly with even just 1 of the right tier 2s

Divine is just easy

[plain river]

Tdash is silly by itself if you pom it once

[last dirge]

True

It just carries act 4

My favorite is still blade dash. Not that I go for it all the time.

I like dash strike builds so I go for Hunter's or just something to open the duo I want like DD for ME

Blade dash gets funnily viable though. Also how I got my first win.

It's a fun off-meta thing

[mortal sapphire]

I finished a run earlier where I used Rama, got the +4 special hammer, and got doom on special, plus delayed doom but +% and also the +damage per doom application, I can just stand there and hold the Special button and everything falls around me.... after ~1.5 seconds. Is this an exploit of sorts, or are there way better ways to utilize rama?

[vagrant crane]

yeah no there are muhc more efficient ways to use it

namely pressing your attack button

[proper furnace]

Special only rama is certainly comfy

It also gets a copypasta

[tight basin]

unaruably

[proper furnace]

[mortal sapphire]

Mmmm

But the special just shoots 7 stacked doom every half second, especially after... somehow escapes my mind the name - the speed god - who gave +30% special speed. I just see enemies evaporate after I stand still and hold special for a few rounds... Hades included

But alright I'll look into using the attack more 😛

And speaking of that, what boons should I go with to boost Rama attack?

[proper furnace]

Aphro mainly

But most work with decent rarity/arte if you have lots of chaos

[mortal sapphire]

Ok

[tight basin]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
[7:51 PM]

thanks MiKE

oh why is the time there

funky

[proper furnace]

Rama build jumpscare

[tight basin]

lmfao

the good copy pasta

[mortal sapphire]

Thank you for the Rama info!

I also got lv3 of Hestia Rail recently - what are some good boons / builds that go with it? I'm not even sure what's the right playstyle here - should I just reload every chance I get, and use the first shot as a snipe? Or if I should do something else...

[vagrant crane]

hestia isn't super great at low levels

[mortal sapphire]

(Also, the hestia/rail special is way too slow - I'm not sure how to improve that..)

[vagrant crane]

but yes the play is to reload every shot

generally you don't need much for hestia builds

[mortal sapphire]

I see

[vagrant crane]

just a high % attack boon like aphrodite

[proper furnace]

Use your special every other reload

[vagrant crane]

same with special

you always want to cancel the reload animation by either dashing or specialing right after it

[proper furnace]

You cancel the reload animation with a special

[mortal sapphire]

Feel awkward to reload every shot - it's also single target right? So I'm not sure what to do with crowds, as in, what boons/hammers to go for

[vagrant crane]

for crowds pretend you're playing eris for a moment

[proper furnace]

Are you on controller?

[vagrant crane]

if they're low hp like numbskulls

if they're high hp crowds then yeah single target

rocket bomb is great for crowds too

and great overall

[mortal sapphire]

Wha...? So if I hit reload and special immediately afterwards, I can shoot right there?

[mortal sapphire]

I'm on controller yes

[proper furnace]

Can also use tidal dash for AoE issues

[vagrant crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1019DSLlyHwg7_oIiN3Il-NUYdHEbl783G7ZvstFSCD4/edit

[proper furnace]

Pls tell me you arent using reload on r3

[mortal sapphire]

.........

I'm sorry? Hahaha

[proper furnace]

Are you using the right stick to reload?

[mortal sapphire]

I am...

[proper furnace]

Swap it to one of the bumpers/triggers

[mortal sapphire]

I guess I could swap it with the companion button so it's easier

[proper furnace]

It gets more comfortable to hit reload often

I swapped it with codex personally

Right stick reload is still a crime anyways

[vagrant crane]

the real solution is kbm

[proper furnace]

Switch issue

Also hestia lvl 3 how much dmg is again?

100?

[vagrant crane]

yeah 100

you wanna level that up

[mortal sapphire]

I am uh.... also playing on the mac with no external kb and mouse, and so..... it's not really viable haha. Controller is infinitely better. (Don't have enough desk space for kbm)

[proper furnace]

Lvl 5 is 150 so that elevates a lot of breakpoints

[mortal sapphire]

Thank you all for the advice!

[tight basin]

100 isn't bad tbh

[vagrant crane]

hestia can be a bit hard to learn initially but it's suuuuuper fun

[tight basin]

like lvl 3 hestia is the minimum level to start using it

[vagrant crane]

yeah it's usable

it's just preferable to be able to not need a second power shot on like armored louts

oh yeah

if you shoot something and it has like 10, 20 health left just spray it

[mortal sapphire]

I need to get a few more titan blood to upgrade 😅

[vagrant crane]

i think the most consistent build for it is aphrodite in tart -> dzeus call in aspho -> smair

[mortal sapphire]

Actually another question: what are the best hammers for Hestia? I guess rocket is good? What else if that's not a choice?

[vagrant crane]

clockets are good

[tight basin]

rocket -> cluster

ideally

[vagrant crane]

ricochet fire > explosive fire/piercing fire

[tight basin]

hazard is good, mainly seen at high heat

[vagrant crane]

hazard is also good

[mortal sapphire]

I see

[vagrant crane]

ricochet doubles your dps in normal rooms

if you can vaguely group your enemies

[mortal sapphire]

Oh wow

[vagrant crane]

because the bounced shot keeps 100% damage

[mortal sapphire]

I didn't realize

[vagrant crane]

it's especially helpful in ely

where you can shoot an exalted fellow and kill their friend's head

[tight basin]

piercing is nice for shield bros

and theseus

[mortal sapphire]

Oh yeah makes the reload-boosted shot double

Makes sense

[vagrant crane]

piercing is pleasant

spread fire isn't actually useless

[tight basin]

ricochet is better in general, but i like piercing more so i dont have to worry about shields

[vagrant crane]

just ricochet off the wall into the shield

[mortal sapphire]

Wait you can do that?

Ricochet off wall

[vagrant crane]

yeah

if you shoot at a wall it'll bounce off

[mortal sapphire]

Okay I'm learning a lot haha

Thanks

[tight basin]

it gets a bit weird with tdash but it's manageable lol

[vagrant crane]

if there's an eligible target

[tight basin]

not worth trying on hestia tho

[vagrant crane]

it's a cope pick if you get delta chamber and flurry fire

[tight basin]

flurry is nice for just cleanup isn't it

wouldn't that be better than spread

since you actually keep range

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1072758261171884063/image.png

from the bible

[mortal sapphire]

Oh yeah I should go continue reading that doc

[tight basin]

huh interesting

[vagrant crane]

verse Any% (IGT): Hammers

the thing is that

spread fire will do more than tickle your foes

flurry is like only useful against numbskulls

[tight basin]

but if they have like 10-20 hp left

like it's the same idea isn't it

[vagrant crane]

spread is more useful against low hp enemies but above like 20

[tight basin]

with spread fire you'd have to dash inwards

[vagrant crane]

idk man im just analysing the bible

go ask jesus or whatever

[tight basin]

lmfao

i'm good

[vagrant crane]

although

[tight basin]

i dont play enough hestia to get into it

[vagrant crane]

that screenshot was from high heat

[tight basin]

bruh lmao

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1072759074413879306/image.png

here's from any%

still says better than flurry

[tight basin]

interesting

[vagrant crane]

i think it's just that spread will have more burst dps if you're caught out

80ish damage per hit

vs 20

[tight basin]

i guess

i'd simply just get clockets tho

[vagrant crane]

so real

hazard is so fun until you have to try to hit meg with it

[tight basin]

ngl i dont remember the last time i took hazard

[mortal sapphire]

Kind of a shame you can't reroll hammers...

[tight basin]

rerolling hammers would make it so easy lmao

[mortal sapphire]

I'm in the middle of a run actually and currently have cluster and piercing because the selection is just bad

[tight basin]

cluster isn't too bad

piercing is also not bad too

[mortal sapphire]

Ideally rocket comes next... if it ever comes

[vagrant crane]

can't

2 hammer max

[tight basin]

anvil away piercing in styx lmao

anvil scum it

[vagrant crane]

so real

[mortal sapphire]

Oh wait I never knew

You can only have 2 hammers ever?

[vagrant crane]

you can get 3 if you use styx anvil

but otherwise yeah 2 max hammers

[mortal sapphire]

😮

[vagrant crane]

same with hermes

[mortal sapphire]

So.......... should I gamble at styx with cluster and piercing?

[vagrant crane]

2 max unless you get a 3rd in styx

[mortal sapphire]

Never knew that either!

[vagrant crane]

not really

cluster on its own is still good

piercing is fine

you could lose cluster and get like flurry and delta chamber

[plain river]

Rerolling hammers would be too good tbh

[mortal sapphire]

Okay wow learning a lot but also this is not great haha

[tight basin]

anvil scum anvil scum anvil scum

[mortal sapphire]

What do you mean by "anvil scum"?

[vagrant crane]

just do routed

[vagrant crane]

savescumming rng

[plain river]

It’s not a gamble if you rng manipulate

[mortal sapphire]

What does routed mean?

[plain river]

You couldn’t get flurry and delta chamber

[mortal sapphire]

What does savescumming mean???

[vagrant crane]

routed is when you use rng manips so you know exactly what boons you get and chambers and stuff

[vagrant crane]

ok delta and like explosive or something

idk man

piercing epxlosive nope

whatever

bad hammers possible

[vagrant crane]

you save and quit until you get the thing you want

[plain river]

You take the anvil
Don’t like it? Quit the game through pause menu
Cast or summon one more time then you did last time
Rinse repeat till perfect combo

[vagrant crane]

in hades it's a bit more complicated because of how rng works

[mortal sapphire]

.............. the last time I tried this I think it quit the entire run and put me back at House of Hades..?

[vagrant crane]

that's give up

[mortal sapphire]

So I never tried again

[tight basin]

hit "quit"

[plain river]

That’s the wrong button

[vagrant crane]

also

you can't save and quit after you buy something

you would have to use save files wouldn't you

[plain river]

You can quit after buying anvil

[vagrant crane]

oh

why

that's weird

[plain river]

[mortal sapphire]

Okay I guess I never tried that

[plain river]

Same thing with sisyphus, eurydice and patty

if you don’t like what you got

[mortal sapphire]

SERIOUSLY

Okay I feel like I have to abuse this

[plain river]

Way less relevant for patty

[mortal sapphire]

In the future

[vagrant crane]

wait

[plain river]

Note that it is time consuming and there is no actual guarantee you ever get what you want

[vagrant crane]

you can do that with eurydice??

[plain river]

yup

[mortal sapphire]

Lol okay I guess a lot of people are learning tonight! 😜

[tight basin]

if you do it in styx, you can't buy anything before hand

so dont buy a pom/boon/heart and then anvil

[mortal sapphire]

Ah, so go in styx, and "savescum" hammer until I get what I want, and then proceed as normal

[tight basin]

yeah

like as soon as you get into the room, dont buy anything else

[mortal sapphire]

Okay this is enlightening...

[plain river]

That could possibly take forever though

[tight basin]

it's fine when you get out of a tunnel

it could yeah lmao

[plain river]

Also note that this gets very very time consuming very very fast

[mortal sapphire]

I understand

[vagrant crane]

it's not worth it tbh

too annoying

[plain river]

You are losing time just to experience more power tbh

[mortal sapphire]

I probably would try it a couple times and if it doesn't work I'll just give up and load and forget the hammer thing :p

I don't have that much patience haha

[plain river]

I rng manipulated bouldy for +obol% on last months monthly challenge lol

[vagrant crane]

why would you not do that on chaos

[plain river]

You can’t

[vagrant crane]

temp save

[plain river]

Switch gaming

[vagrant crane]

why

[plain river]

Why am I playing on switch?

[vagrant crane]

yes

[plain river]

Because I have Hades on switch

[tight basin]

i mean you can do it on chaos if it's a c1 chaos gate

maybe c2 chaos gate

but any more after that is a bit of a stretch

[mortal sapphire]

Btw, seeing I just want to say I adore this character and the voice actor they got. She's the first one I fully.. what's the word.. anyway got all hearts etc. with (sorry not build/combat related but just wanted to gush for a sec)

[tight basin]

[plain river]

I’m hung up on the “why play Hades on switch” question like bruh

[silent blaze]

how do you build casts

[tight basin]

Depends on the aspect

[silent blaze]

dont have beowulf

[tight basin]

The consistent part for all of them is to pom tf out of it

[silent blaze]

yeah but which boon is better for a cast build

[tight basin]

So Achilles or Hera
Poseidon and Talos technically count but they're a lot weaker compared to the other two

[tight basin]

Depends still lol

For Hera 9.9/10 crush shot is best

Big damage, good aoe

Crush shot has the highest base damage for a cast but has really short range, which Hera fixes

For Achilles, it's a bit more flexible

[silent blaze]

can it rlly be viable to just spam cast instead of attacking

[tight basin]

Well for Hera, the cast is part of the atk

And you'll 1 shot most enemies ideally

For Achilles, the 150% damage boost goes a long way for casts, esp since they have good pom scaling and good numbers in general

The 150% on the atk compared to the cast isn't as good unless you have a big atk boon on top of that

[silent blaze]

hmm

[tight basin]

There's a guide for both of those aspects, which are both geared towards speedrunning iirc

But they're still good guides

And Speedrun builds have big dps for speed so should work

[silent blaze]

i dont rlly want to be optimal i just wonder about different ways to play

[tight basin]

Ah

For other aspects you generally only use cast to apply boiling blood

[silent blaze]

yeah

[tight basin]

Or finish off a random enemy if you feel like it

[silent blaze]

thats what i usually do

[tight basin]

Cast based builds are some of the strongest in the game

[silent blaze]

but whenevr i get a big damage cast like dyo i just kinda dont know what to do

[tight basin]

On the right aspects ofc

Dio cast has the issue of staying on the ground and not coming back lmao

[silent blaze]

and not applying boiling blood

[tight basin]

If you want to build around it, you'd have to use stygian soul and get chaos to give more casts

[tight basin]

To be fair if you're building around Dio cast you should be one shotting lol

[silent blaze]

fair

[tight basin]

So that isn't too big of an issue

[silent blaze]

but yeah usually when i get dio i dont build around it and i just kinda forget to use it

[tight basin]

I think all the modded sub5s are all castpects lol

Beo, Hera, and Achilles

Hera has unmodded wr, rama is 2nd

[silent blaze]

the modded sub5s ?

[tight basin]

Modded game

Uses Speedrun modpack

People got sub5s with the mod

[silent blaze]

oh well not for me

whats sub5s

[tight basin]

Finished a run in under 5 minutes

In game time

[silent blaze]

since it was 5s i was afraid it was a 5 seconds run

phew

[tight basin]

Nah first room takes about 3-5 seconds lmao

[silent blaze]

speedrunners are scary

[tight basin]

They really are

Most of the fastest weapons for anyHeat unmodded and modded are castpects lmao

Eris, beo, Hera, Achilles

Some hestia

[silent blaze]

cat aspect you say

[valid dagger]

Cat aspects are great

[silent blaze]

hmm

about the cast build

i dont see how achilles has anything to do with cast

[valid dagger]

Achilles buff applies to cast

[silent blaze]

hera ofc but achilles ? i dont see it

[lucid oar]

Raging rush gives +150% cast damage at level 5

[silent blaze]

guh

[valid dagger]

Most people will go for hunting blades or phalanx, those are probably the top options, but Achilles can work well without a cast but your mechanics have to be flawless

Iirc 185 dropped a 5:11 Castless a couple of days ago

[lucid oar]

Yee

[silent blaze]

ok hera is very fun

[gilded wedge]

cast numbers can get very big and adding percentage buffs gets you a lot of value in making the number even bigger

[silent blaze]

i didnt see the cast % increase my bad

i thought it was just getting to your spear after the special

[last dirge]

It's a very good cast aspect for Crush Shot for example

I like Curse of Drowning on it when you can get it

It's good with really all the good casts

Trippy might be a bit odd but it will work

Like it especially works well with Crush Shot and Blown Kiss

At that point you're one shotting unarmored enemies before a certain heat

It is a bit more challenging on bosses. Especially Hades. You can auto aim into the urns on controller

[silent blaze]

oh yah i have a lot of trouble with spear with bosses

[last dirge]

I like it. Dash strike builds are also awesome.

Quan Yu with the dash strike hammer is amazing

A little challenging depending on platform. I find it a bit janky on switch

Spin builds are good too

[silent blaze]

yeah dash strike on switch is horrible

[last dirge]

Definitely a preference thing though

Quan yu is about timing and finding the right opportunity and distance to attack from

Some builds even do spin then special

Like ME. I forget which order.

But GY is far from the best aspect obviously

If say it's more of a fun aspect

Like cursed strike but hard

[muted sun]

Why?

I've never had issues with it personally

[proper furnace]

Same

[silent blaze]

whenever i have to chain dash strikes it feels awful

might just be a skill issue tho

[lucid oar]

Depends on aspect

[still cairn]

Aspect of arthur builds? What do i grab when im playing with the excalibur

[boreal phoenix]

Any good key binds for PS4/PS5 controller

Rn I'm trying to remap my controller to optimize combat flow

[cunning urchin]

You don't need to press it right after it. You can press Dash+Reload or Special+Reload at the same time, or you can press Dash/Special first and then just press Reload during the dash or while you're holding your Special. You also don't need to cancel reload animation at all necessarily if you're already running when you press reload, because that will trigger a different reload animation that lets you keep moving. If you stand still when you reload, you can't move unless you cancel the animation.

[mortal sapphire]

I thought Curse of Drowning only works with poseidon shots? Or are you saying that once you get the duo, you can replace/sell the cast and get one from a different god? 😮

[cunning urchin]

They're saying Curse of Drowning is a different route they like to go.

[solar siren]

Besides Heart Rend are there any other duo boons that work well with Nemesis aspect?

[vagrant crane]

deadly reversal ig

[tight basin]

Good ol classic merciful end

And yeah deadly reversal is also good

[solar siren]

deadly reversal seems kinda situational and not worth it

[tight basin]

Heart rend is generally considered better than deadly reversal tho

I think

[vagrant crane]

i'd assume it gives more dps

but i'd imagine reversal is something you go for after heart rend if you got ddash

[solar siren]

yeah it’s not the duo I generally wanna prioritize/build around

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

it's not a make-or-break duo

[tight basin]

It's something to aim for if you start shackle on nem

[vagrant crane]

it's just nice to have

[solar siren]

also, which Aspect makes the best user of the festive fog duo boons Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast?

[vagrant crane]

beo? idk

[tight basin]

Achilles or Beowulf

[solar siren]

which hidden aspect is that? i don’t think I’ve gotten that one yet

[vagrant crane]

shield

[tight basin]

Shield

[vagrant crane]

zagshield better tho