h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

Tbh

Bout to take roiling shot just for the extra obols from enemies

Tbh I unironically rng maniped bouldy for +% obols

+4% was definitely impactful

And def worth thr time

Nooo my roiling “curse” is over

Rip holding than to 0

51:2

[ashen shoal]

im running the lambent plume to try and max it and got the achievement before it even ranked up to 2 stars 😭

[cunning urchin]

You can enter whatever you want for your name.

[ashen shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053536636572532766/1064440959699517470/image.png this is the most complete I've ever gotten a game before :D

longterm goal is to get all the achievements but idk if that'll happen. I can complete 2 of em in the next few runs, and one of them is just rng being awful

oh wait acheivements go in victory boasting don't they oopsie

[young dirge]

U could just use shattered shackle and get a bunch of boons and then purge them

[velvet jasper]

I've never been a game-completion type of person + I'm really bad at games but I managed to get them all so I have faith for you :D for me the butterfly was the hardest one cause I have a very aggressive playstyle + Thanks, But No Thanks was hard bc even with a fully upgraded mirror I struggled to get Legendary boons (to be fair I didn't understand them back then so I didn't have a great strategy lol) and also it's not a guarantee that you'll have the option to purge it BUT IT WAS SO REWARDING WHEN IT FINALLY HAPPENED

if you ever need help or advice I'm sure there's tons of people here willing to help :D

[proven osprey]

You'll get 100% I'm sure

[errant narwhal]

it seems like youve gotten the really hard ones out of the way already! it might take a bit of time to get the ones you have left but you can do it for sure

bad call my detested

[velvet jasper]

bad call is easy to get in elysium, the tricky part is getting a trial room for the god whose call you have :')

[velvet jasper]

my beloathed

[cunning urchin]

50% chance normally if you have a Call and a Trial.

Higher if you don't have a 4-god pool yet.

[visual jungle]

Aww this is so clever and fun!!

[twin cloak]

they should let u get bad call by using dadcall on the dad fight

[feral night]

why 3142 and 5220

[cunning urchin]

[plain river]

1. elder sigil cost
2. reference to beta test I assume

[feral night]

elder sigil cost?

[plain river]

House contractor work order

[cunning urchin]

Why is the cost 3142?

[feral night]

it's gotta be because of pi

[plain river]

Integer overflow

[plain river]

Pi = 4 wdym

[cunning urchin]

It's not pi.

[feral night]

nyx is an engineer, she built the house, so pi=e=3

[errant narwhal]

its the amount of gods believed to exist in greek myth

the other number i dont know

[cunning urchin]

If you can figure out my 5220, I'll count it as winning the challenge.

[plain river]

Time to scroll through #hades-patch-notes

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations! You need to change access rights to your victory screenshots to "anyone with the link can view" though.

[feral night]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Parnassus

5220 feet, mountain important to greek myth?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[grand zenith]

Drunken Dash and Drunken Fist don’t work well together rii?

[cunning urchin]

You only want one source of Hangover in your builds.

[grand zenith]

Gotcha so remove the attack?

Also it was special not dash.

[cunning urchin]

No, purge Special.

[grand zenith]

Ah, too late.

[ashen shoal]

I got thanks but no thanks when I got arty legendary on a non-cast build, that was super handy (it was Chiron or smth I think)

[ashen shoal]

this was was easy ngl, I got it in my original save pre-corruption.

[keen elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/541466125502906371/1064587433758425208/image.png

with beowulf btw

[opaque spire]

Updated:) sorry about that

[rose pelican]

Hestia at full speed feels like playing the piano on my laptop

[tawny grove]

ding ding ding

[cunning urchin]

That one's on the Hades wiki actually lol.

[sterile fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867888481324761108/1064678180897697866/image.png

leaderboard out of whack

player name doesn't match obols

[plain river]

Uh

Extra challenge also is out of whack

Orion and Mystic both completed the extra challenge

And yeah I’ve supposedly got more obols then I actually did

[cunning urchin]

@lucid ferry sheet is broken.

[plain river]

Wait someone got a submission the minute the challenge went up

or

[cunning urchin]

No, that was an hour later lol.

[plain river]

No I’m dumb it would be an hour later

I just realised my mental clock was off by an hour

[cunning urchin]

Yes, your mental was off.

[plain river]

I wish

My brain refuses to turn off

Spreadsheet is 6 hours ahead of me

[cunning urchin]

It's in my timezone.

[cunning urchin]

It's just the obols column that is sorted wrong. And one person didn't check the extra challenges box when submitting their run.

Anyway, RidiculousHat will fix it when he gets the chance.

[cunning urchin]

Thanks for bring it to our attention.

[plain river]

Where do I find the leaderboard?

[sterile fiber]

it's on the pinned submission form

[cunning urchin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing

[plain river]

The leaderboard seems to have ordered people by the time they submitted

[cunning urchin]

Can also find it in the previous challenges where I linked the spreadsheet instead of the submission form.

[plain river]

but then the obol column is highest obols to lowest obols

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

We usually just sort by submission date because it's not a competition.

I figured linking the submission form directly makes submissions easier.

[plain river]

Speedrun challenge competition
Who can get first submission 😈

[cunning urchin]

Rather than linking the spreadsheet like I did before.

[cunning urchin]

Apparently not you.

[plain river]

[tawny grove]

next time ill just submit mine before the sheet goes out 👍👍
(this is a joke i cant do this)

[plain river]

The second the sheet goes live 👍👍👍

[burnt venture]

just got a 409 health build

[lucid ferry]

Working on it now

Fixed

[lucid oar]

I wonder which of authority or persuasion is worth it

Me omw to coin purse start and reset for c1 Poseidon and c2 chaos for obols

[mild raft]

So one question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459479648603078658/1064689723311919194/image.png

Does this screenshot count lol

[tawny grove]

yup

[mild raft]

Sick

[tawny grove]

wait

that was after you beat hades right

oh

you need to win the run i think

[mild raft]

I put EM4 on cause the summons drop gold but I did not consider the possibility of 3 sneaks

with Rama

With no Acorn or build

[tawny grove]

ah

[mild raft]

It;s ok the run wasn't even that good anyways

[tawny grove]

yeah im gonna say that doesnt count bc you need to win the challenge 😔

[mild raft]

I forgot to put on Jury summons

[lucid oar]

Don’t em0 hades summons drop gold too

[mild raft]

no

[lucid oar]

Dang

[mild raft]

otherwise you'd never be able to get Poor as a Pauper

[tawny grove]

gonna add successful to the pinned message for clarity 👍

but congrats on big number anyway

[mild raft]

Honestly I wasn't genuinely asking but I just thought it was funny

guess I will be running this on Beo now

or zeus

idk

[tawny grove]

it is pretty funny

[mild raft]

What's the highest number submitted?

[tawny grove]

uhh ill check?

[mild raft]

out of curiosity

[thorn tendon]

persuasion’s better for getting affluence i think

[tawny grove]

so far 6357

[mild raft]

Yea I went back and forth on authority vs persuasion and I think Persuasion is better

Quality > Quantity

[tawny grove]

on nem sword

[mild raft]

you want Affluence and Ocean's Bounty

[lucid oar]

yea ig the only bad gold laurel doors are health and pom

hell even poms have some monetary value lol

[mild raft]

I think if this really gets pushed Authority might be the high roll strat

Simply get the boons™️

[lucid oar]

tartarus seems to be crucial

[tawny grove]

also this isnt advice but i always forget to turn off authority after meme runs and it's very annoying

[lucid oar]

also stygian soul to help side hustle odds a bit better

[mild raft]

I mean my run got ocean's Bounty in Ely

[gilded wedge]

Big percentage increases from chaos and ocean's bounty are just much more impactful than more obol rewards I think

[mild raft]

that's so real actually

[lucid oar]

does lucifer remove dash strike chaos bonuses

[proper furnace]

ye

[lucid oar]

ugh boonless lucifer

im not optimising that hard then

[tawny grove]

horrifying concept

[mild raft]

boonless lucifer Em4 augh

not happening

[lucid oar]

so

js3 em4 uc

for ely erebus

without uc its 14 heat

[thorn tendon]

hmm

[tawny grove]

how does boonless nem go

[thorn tendon]

if you never get a pommable you can get spare wealth from poms

poorly

[lucid oar]

im just gonna use hesti

[mild raft]

just run FO2

[lucid oar]

shackle at the end

[mild raft]

it's literally free heat

[lucid oar]

oh yea

[plain river]

👍

[lucid oar]

im literally a speedrunner

why would i not

[plain river]

I have

5011 obols walking into Hades

[tawny grove]

damn

[lucid oar]

Gonna take some muscle memory not to skip troves

[plain river]

Admittedly

I could’ve purged more boons but

I like not having a rough time

[tawny grove]

i literally forgot those existed

[thorn tendon]

do bp enemies ever drop more coins

[plain river]

I have yet to recieve obols from enemies from troves

Only obols from troves that give obols

[mild raft]

This run also didn't even have Bouldy in Tart

[lucid oar]

Resetting with no sd is so ass

[mild raft]

Idk but I'm running it anyways

[thorn tendon]

quick reset mod is leaderboard legal 👍

[mild raft]

armored enemies dropping coins is a maybe that happens and armored enemies spawn sooner with BP1

wait is the speedrun modpack leaderboard legal?

[tawny grove]

we're not gonna talk about when i was testing and accidentally went shop instead of bouldy..

it was too late when i realized what i have done

[tawny grove]

for the challenge or src

[mild raft]

the challenge

[lucid oar]

Gems or key

[tawny grove]

no clue

[lucid oar]

+20 gold or reroll

[mild raft]

Do you have the sauce yet

[lucid oar]

I’m in c2

[tawny grove]

@cunning urchin is speedrun modpack legal for the challenge?

[mild raft]

if no sauce -> key
if sauce -> gems

[tawny grove]

im gonna say no for now until we get an answer from her

[lucid oar]

Aight

[mild raft]

That makes sense

that was my assumption at first

[lucid oar]

BRB farming numskulls from skullomat to reach the gold cap

[thorn tendon]

i lied

not sure why i thought it was

[lucid oar]

2 chaos in a row with no obol reward straight into nat Poseidon

The things we mald at

[plain river]

Ngl I took a roiling curse as a cope pick from chaos

for extra obols

[cunning urchin]

We've never put restrictions on mods in the past. There's nothing to win, it's just a personal challenge. If somebody wants to play the game with mods for the challenge, that's fine. Would be nice if they mention it in the notes during submission, though, but not necessary.

[plain river]

91 obols off the extra challenge

[tawny grove]

👍

so basically use it if you want

[plain river]

Neither of my attempts have gotten obol bonuses from chaos

[cunning urchin]

If it's something like modding the game to give you 6,000 obols at the start of the run, that's different of course.

[lucid oar]

Alecto spawns louts right

[tawny grove]

yup

[cunning urchin]

You can use it if it's more fun for you that way.

[lucid oar]

I think I’ve got a pretty good run going

[tawny grove]

oh?

[lucid oar]

900 gold into furies, loads of epic boons, soon-go-be obol chaos

And side hustle

[tawny grove]

niice

[plain river]

sounds 5220able

[tawny grove]

just gotta pray to rngjesus for good aspho and ely luck

[lucid oar]

Ok the lout farming is taking waaaaay too long lmao

[cunning urchin]

Yep! Rules already specified you need a victory screenshot, in fact.

[turbid needle]

Can I post build screenshots here?

[plain river]

using the image link, yes

[tawny grove]

yup

and if theyre win screens you can put them in #h1-victory-boasting

[turbid needle]

Ok thanks

[opaque spire]

On my run where I got the extra challenge of 5k gold I accidently hit the b button so I didn't get a screenshot of the victory screen but it has the darkness and gems there to show I beat the boss with the gold in the corner

Does that count

[tawny grove]

that counts

it's a victory screenshot, just not of the victory screen

shows that you beat the run and you have the obols so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque spire]

YIPPEE

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1064700445936853032/5129obola.png

[opaque spire]

SO CLOSE BRO

[tawny grove]

😔

soon™️

[lucid oar]

Eury is so op btw

Just upgraded 2 epics to heroic

[tawny grove]

eury is probably my favorite character in the whole game

she's the first bond i formed

and also i love hadestown

[lucid oar]

Do you get golden touch after hades

[mild raft]

no

[lucid oar]

Ok

[tawny grove]

don't think so

[mild raft]

why would you

actually idk maybe

but I heavily doubt it

[lucid oar]

Need about 700 then

[tawny grove]

yeah theres nothing to use it on

[lucid oar]

In styx

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1064701545549148170/5129obols.jpg

[cunning urchin]

Lmao

[plain river]

wow charon decided to show up and help a brother out

[cunning urchin]

No.

[plain river]

if you did I would have the extra challenge done by now

[cunning urchin]

You get to die and lose all of your Obols, though.

[tawny grove]

10/10 photoshooping i'm convinced

wait how does he buy mel a gift then :(

[cunning urchin]

I mean it won't make a difference for him if he takes them all from Zag a minute later when he inevitably dies.

[plain river]

he stops by the Hades Gift Shop™️ before he dies

[lucid oar]

2 sack

[tawny grove]

oh ok

[lucid oar]

Of course on this run and not the 4:55 ely exit yesterday

[tawny grove]

persephone set up a tourist trap gift shop before she left

[cunning urchin]

Presumably on the surface.

Or maybe Charon makes an exception for this occasion.

[plain river]

maybe the real gift was the friends we made along the way

[cunning urchin]

You think Zag is collecting Obols to buy his friends to gift them to Melinoë?

[plain river]

yes

[tawny grove]

get 5220 and you can buy thanatos!

[lucid oar]

styx spare wealth LMAO

rare crop goatde

bruh i died to em4

https://imgur.com/a/0lY8ACk average anyheat player

[cunning urchin]

Good luck on your next attempts!

[tawny grove]

rip big number 😔

[lucid oar]

i cropped 2 common boons in styx then sold them as soon as they hit heroic

[tawny grove]

oh smart

[mild raft]

If it makes you feel any better I had a run with 95% total affluence, multiple sunken treasures, two troves, side hustle before furies, overall ~2k right before Lernie and died to an attack curse

[tawny grove]

ouch

[lucid oar]

yike

this was 35% affluence, common side hustle

oceans bounty made more money being sold than it did for gold rewards lmao

[tawny grove]

yup

as long as it's not like

cheating

like you can't mod the game to give you 6000 obols at the start

but if you think modding would make your game experience better go for it, just add it in the notes section when you submit pls

yeah i'm just clarifying

speedmod is cool :)

[onyx girder]

Hey can someone give me a good build for Talos?

[tight basin]

classic merciful end

or zap fists

or drunk fists

[tight basin]

ares atk, athena special, get duo, get divine dash, get impending doom

[tight basin]

zeus attack, some aphrodite core, zeus/dio call, get smoldering air

[tight basin]

dionysus attack, probably passion dash, low tolerance duo

[random relic]

damn had a run with 3100 in ely but i died

no bounty or chaos either

[neon terrace]

sea storm is the most fun, merciful end is the best

[plain river]

Most fun is subjective

[keen elm]

what are some good guan yu builds

[neon terrace]

just a good special and whatever u want on everything else

poseidon special can be fun, but aphro has the biggest numbers

artemis crits are strong too so it depends ig

[vagrant crane]

funny way of saying aph

[neon terrace]

for 32 heat i went with aphro

[vagrant crane]

aph stays winning 💪

[keen elm]

do you build around using your special the most?

[vagrant crane]

on guan yu?

[neon terrace]

yea, keep your distance and spam the special

if u have charged skewer the build is way more powerful

without it guan yu is kinda terrible

but theres ppl here who can beat 50 heat w practically every single aspect so im sure for them guan yu's still great without it

[harsh heath]

Who here knows the game Hollow Knight

[neon terrace]

me

i did 112% but i couodnt do pantheon 5

[harsh heath]

There's a cult of Hornet discord server

[neon terrace]

im gonna pretend i didnt read what u originally said

[harsh heath]

yeah same

[harsh heath]

https://discord.gg/WZb7EV2KfA

[plain river]

Aphro has biggest numbers (consistently, which puts her over arte), and gives you more survivability then any other god you could put on special

To do what?

[thorn tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1064742489677893684/image.png?width=1245&height=700 first attempt

[plain river]

… there are atleast 10 runs already submitted iirc

I was third to submit

[thorn tendon]

2? total coin room rewards and no sunken treasure

50 damage for 16 gold

[plain river]

I did it within like 2 or 3 hours of the challenge going live

[neon terrace]

i always take aphro but im js if ur using guan yu then ur def not concerned w survivability

[plain river]

Arguably

it’s more helpful

A bit more breathing room

[neon terrace]

like barely, if u use guan yu u really dont wanna be taking hits anyway

i agree ab the consistency tho that's why i dont take artemis

[twin cloak]

gy is safe

[plain river]

So uh

The notes section on the Hades Monthly Build thing is messed up

I just noticed because someone else has my comment

[gilded wedge]

yeah I saw that as well actually

I didn't put a comment but they way it looks it took someone else's comment

[plain river]

My “:(“ is on a run that isn’t mine
And while I did only have 1 attack boon, I didn’t comment about it

[vagrant crane]

really? i had 4 different attack boons. was nice to apply privileged status with only one button

[gilded wedge]

I think it's correct on the first sheet, but not on the melinoe one

[vagrant crane]

this appears to be the case

[plain river]

@lucid ferry I think you’re the right person to contact?
Problem is that the comments on the melinoe sheet are messed (attached to the wrong runs)

[plain river]

Yeah I didn’t understand the comment either

[orchid marten]

Worth asking! I assume you need to BEAT the run with at least 3142 Obols, not just have them on you?

IE, you can't screenshot in Styx and then buy out the Styx shop.

[tight basin]

yeah it has to be a victory screen

the form also says "victory screen" lol

[orchid marten]

Yeee, just wanted to double check, since the wording on the original post was unclear :P

[tawny grove]

one successful run, yes

[lucid ferry]

Fixed

[timid bloom]

Hades Spear's Punishing Sweep doesn't count towards Privilege Status right? As it's not a curse

[lucid oar]

It doesn’t count yea

[timid bloom]

Thanks!

[rose pelican]

Only persistent status effects from Olympic boons trigger privileged status. One per god

[plain river]

Status curses are only the curses inflicted by boons

Everything on this list is not a status curse:

Hades spin marking, Gilgamesh maiming, Rama Shared suffering and Talos magnetised pull buff, boiling/abyssal blood, killing freeze, charm, trippy stuns, dusa petrification, than marking

[timid bloom]

Makes sense

[cunning urchin]

There's a list pinned in #h1-for-new-players.

[timid bloom]

Thanks

[twin prawn]

build for demeter fists?
i mainly go for dio atk and go with dem/aphro attack if i dont get it

then try and fish for dio/aphro duo boon

[valid dagger]

Start with Ares Attack and try to get Athena's Special then Merciful End -> Divine Dash -> Impending Doom

Don't open up other Duos and pom your attack as much as possible, 1-2 poms in Impending is also good

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a Demeter Aspect guide here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[twin prawn]

so dash strike build?

[cunning urchin]

Well, you're going to apply Doom with your Attack and then proc it with Divine Dash, yeah.

Once you have the full build with Merciful End.

[night prawn]

Tidal or Blade Dash also works if you can't get Divine Dash,like the guide said

[neon terrace]

What're the hardest Aspects to do 32 heat with? I don't feel like doing all 17 I havent done yet lol but if someone has like a list of 5-10 that are hard Ill do those

If I did 40 w/ zag sword and 32 w/ arthur would those both count for 32x24

[cunning urchin]

You wouldn't take them in a Merciful End build. They're for different builds.

[night prawn]

Good to know. I tend to stick to only 3 dashes lol

[cunning urchin]

Zag Sword, Nemesis, Zag Spear, Hades, and all of Malphon probably.

Guan Yu if you don't have some experience with it and don't start Charged Skewer.

[neon terrace]

I did 32 with Guan Yu already

It's easy, Guan Yu's really powerful and u dont have to dip too much into RI, JS, or HL at 32

[cunning urchin]

Aegis, Coronacht, and Exagryph too goated. Poseidon and Achilles allow for easy Cast build wins. Excalibur is still really tanky at 32.

The ones I listed before are all harder to win with.

[neon terrace]

Zag Spear, Hades, and Nemesis I havent done so Ill do those, although I thought Nemesis was meant to be really strong

Lucifer isnt goated though and Im horrendous w Hestia

I just use Hestia like Zag Rail lol

[cunning urchin]

Lucifer is great.

[cunning urchin]

Melee just has a worse time in Hades unless it's shield.

[night prawn]

I just got Lucifer,need to figure out a build for it

[cunning urchin]

It's just the standard Eris build.

Lightning Strike > Static Discharge + Tidal Dash.

Poms on Static Discharge and Tidal Dash.

And a decent % Special.

Ideally Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish, but high rarity Divine Flourish and Frost Flourish will be good, too.

Best hammer is Triple Bomb by a decent margin.

The rest I'd say are personal preference, there aren't any particularly bad ones that stand out. I've always held the opinion that Lucifer has the best hammer balance in the game.

[neon terrace]

Epic Tempest Flourish has bigger numbers than both Divine and Frost Flourish though

[cunning urchin]

That's true, but the knockback hurts more than it helps there.

Splits enemy groups when you want to bunch them up, and you don't want to knock enemies out of your AOE before all three Triple Bombs hit either.

[neon terrace]

oh yeah true i dont even think of stuff like that lol

[tawny grove]

lol imagine if boiling was a curse though

[orchid marten]

I'm still trying to figure out 5220.

[plain river]

How many years old Nyaanyaa Mewmew is

Obviously

[lucid oar]

It’s the womens 400m hurdles ex-world record set in July 2019 without the :

[plain river]

It happened again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1065034519469641818/IMG_2785.png

[tawny grove]

this is painful

[plain river]

On a related note, zag spear was considerably easier then hestia

[tawny grove]

oh huh

[plain river]

I had charged skewer in tart -> explosive launcher in ely

So I basically had hestia with more range and aoe

And no reload

[grand zenith]

@stuck ether Acorn is great but doesn’t work well against em4

[gilded wedge]

that's not me

[lucid oar]

It’s still good against em4 tho

[honest cave]

how do you make the shield work

everything i do with it feels bad

currently rolling with hades shield as the least bad feeling one

i dont have all the levels yet and i just got the waking phrase for the hidden aspect this run

[plain river]

There is no Hades shield

[honest cave]

err sorry i was looking at the word hades

zeus

his brother

[tight basin]

Get thunder flourish on it

Best hammer is explosive return

Charged shot is also good

[tight basin]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message
Pretty much read everything baj says

And if you want you can watch the video he links a bit later

His build is very unconventional on purpose tho

[plain river]

Because it was exemplary for me

[vagrant crane]

hypothetically would talos crush shot be any fun

i wanna give it a try but also dont wanna titan blood it up

like it's probably a worse version of some other build

but it sounds funn

[tight basin]

It def is lmao

[vagrant crane]

seems funny

[tight basin]

I mean you can give it a shot I guess

[vagrant crane]

ill try it out

should i do stygian or infernal

[cunning urchin]

Just do that on Poseidon Aspect and you don't have to go through the trouble of applying a debuff before pressing Cast for the same bonus damage.

Crush Shot always wants Infernal.

[vagrant crane]

i was thinking the bonus would be being able to pull them in so crush shot range isn't an issue

[tight basin]

Prob infernal? Boss fights would suck but whatever I guess

[tight basin]

Just dash lmao

[vagrant crane]

oops i forgot going in between rooms saves

how do i restore a backup

[honest cave]

thanks

[vagrant crane]

ermmm i do not want to have just maxed talos this is not Fun

[cunning urchin]

You'd either need to cancel your Special before the Uppercut with a Dash, at which point... it's the same as just doing a Dash with Poseidon, or you risk going through the slow Uppercut animation.

[tight basin]

if you leveled up talos and then started a run, just hit give up

it'll take you back to when you just entered the courtyard

[vagrant crane]

no, i went into bedroom

[tight basin]

oh

welp

sucks lmao

[vagrant crane]

ok so

like

i got into an old run from two hours ago

but now when i give up in it it doesn't bring me back to the courtyard

[cunning urchin]

If you press Special to apply the debuff and Dash right away, you cancel the Uppercut. Pretty important for high level Talos play.

[cunning urchin]

Just die in the run.

[vagrant crane]

my streak remains

[cunning urchin]

Then win, I guess.

[vagrant crane]

it's demeterrrr

[cunning urchin]

You'll die one way or another.

[vagrant crane]

oh thank god it's only 20 heat

[vagrant crane]

im going to ceremoniously kill myself when the time comes

so well

im stuck with demeter now

i have aph special and dio attack

what else am i meant to do

[tight basin]

win

[vagrant crane]

i'm sure

purple reflex i win

the charged shot is kinda crazy?

it does respectable damage

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot is easily the best shield hammer.

[vagrant crane]

no

the uh

the fists one

for your special

[cunning urchin]

Kinetic Launcher.

[vagrant crane]

i guess so

took it for the prophecy

[cunning urchin]

It's no Breaching Cross or Explosive Upper, but it's a decent pick.

It has a perfect shot similar to the bow btw if you let go when it flashes.

[vagrant crane]

oh wow

also

why does achilles special charge up

is it cause you land where you leave the spear

the others are like casts

[cunning urchin]

Because the way it was before was awful to play.

[nimble peak]

So I've trid out most of the Boons and I find myself selecting Poseidon, Aphrodite and Artemis and dionysus the most

Ares is not really my fighting style.... I don't like Athena for some reason.... and I find Zeus somewhat helpful but he's not my favourite.

[vagrant crane]

is arty dash worth on nemesis

[tight basin]

Yeah it's pretty good

[vagrant crane]

alr ill stick it on

moreso than athena?

[proper furnace]

Dmg vs safety basically

[cunning urchin]

I would say Hunter Dash is BiS until high heat with EM3 where you really want Divine Dash on melee because deflecting Asterius's ground slams will negate the damage from the shockwave that follows. And it will also help a lot with any bad BP2 combos on ranged enemies.

But Divine Dash is always good, and Hunter Dash can still work great at high heat.

If you're doing a Merciful End build, then obviously Divine Dash is BiS anyway.

[plain river]

Yeah hunter dash really only applicable for the crit builds

[vagrant crane]

i picked purple hunter dash on zagbow was that the right choice

[tight basin]

that's fine

if you weren't going for heart rend or deadly reversal, then hunter dash is probably the next best one

maybe tdash might be better actually but eh

still a good pick

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Reversal is not something you actively go for on Zag Bow.

[tight basin]

Oh lmao

I figured it was probably a decent idea because of the inbuilt crit chance like nem

[vagrant crane]

i had arty attack

and a chaos dash strike bonus

and twin shot

[cunning urchin]

Tidal Dash is best start for consistent Tartarus if you're doing a speedrun, but I would say Hunter Dash is better otherwise.

If you start Deadly Strike, you want Passion Dash ideally for Heart Rend, but Hunter Dash is still a decent option.

[vagrant crane]

why not heartbreak flourish so you can get splash dash or ddash?

[cunning urchin]

Special sucks on Zag Bow.

[plain river]

Yes

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

it's bad but wouldn't you want a more impactful dash

[plain river]

There isn’t anything good to put the deflect on

[vagrant crane]

ohh right

[plain river]

Like

[vagrant crane]

they have to be weakened

[plain river]

Flourish or strike

[tight basin]

well you just take athena special to open the duo and then get ddash
ME levels of bullcrap lmao

[cunning urchin]

Passion Dash to enable Heart Rend will have the most impact.

[vagrant crane]

yeah i forgot they had to be weakened for the extra crit dmg

[cunning urchin]

You want your build to fully synergize with your optimal DPS rotation. Anything that requires you to do something else to work is bad.

I'd say the one exception for Special boons on Zag Bow is Divine Flourish in some cases, because that allows you to quickly kill a group of Spreaders by just deflecting all of their projectiles with one Volley.

But that's a niche case.

And loses its value after Asphodel.

[vagrant crane]

i put ares on it since i had nothing else to do with it

[cunning urchin]

And you could be doing pretty much the same thing with Phalanx Shot.

99% of the time, you just leave your Special slot empty.

Because it's like... all that Curse of Pain will do is make it harder for your poms to land on your Attack or Hunter's Mark or Call.

Or Dash if you have Tidal Dash.

Which are the usual pom targets for Zag Bow.

[vagrant crane]

is deadly the best option for strike? i picked it figuring crit chance is crit chance

[cunning urchin]

He has Battle Rage, though, which can be amazing for Zag Bow. And Urge to Kill is a decent pick.

[vagrant crane]

yeah i got blue battle rage which was nice

[cunning urchin]

IMO Heartbreak Strike is the best overall start for Zag Bow unless you're doing speedruns and want more consistent Tartarus, in which case you start Tidal Dash. But Deadly Strike is a contender as well.

[vagrant crane]

aphrodite stays winning 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[plain river]

Just keep on doing runs till the one run where every shot is a crit ez

[vagrant crane]

does crit chance add or compound

[plain river]

Add

[gilded wedge]

Most things add in the game

[plain river]

There are very few things in Hades that are multiplicative

[cunning urchin]

lol not so much about the crits, just Tartarus can have some bad chambers where Tidal Dash will make a big difference.

[plain river]

Movespeed and damage reduction and crit damage being the outlier

[vagrant crane]

i figured crits might be one of them since extraordinarily high crit cahnce could be a bit thilly

[cunning urchin]

You can get 100% crit chance on marked enemies pretty easily.

But you're not getting 100% crit chance without Hunter's Mark.

[vagrant crane]

oh wait ive had a poor mathematical instinct

[plain river]

You can get like 65% on nem and then 45 poms on pressure points ez

Definitely doable

[vagrant crane]

trying this rn

[cunning urchin]

Unless you go back to the patch where poms on Deadly Flourish were bugged to give more crit chance, then you could get 100% very easily.

[plain river]

If only it still did

[vagrant crane]

so

right now

30% crit chance from nemesis

50% from lvl 46 heroic pp

15 from strike

giving 5% non critg chance

[plain river]

20% from deadly reversal because that’s definitely happening

[vagrant crane]

sure

bit overkill

[plain river]

then you only need 35 poms

or less then that

[vagrant crane]

oh i see

you'd need 30 i believe

25 for the same 95%

30 would lead to 100%

[plain river]

33 assuming common pp

[vagrant crane]

oh

i'm on heroic

unfortunately Schelemeus the Great has nothing to deflect

[plain river]

Oh codex mod

[vagrant crane]

im still like a child with this thing

[cunning urchin]

You thought she just magically got Lv.46 Pressure Points after you mentioned 45 poms on it?

[vagrant crane]

i move like that

[cunning urchin]

I'd be careful with any codex mod testing because bugs aplenty.

[plain river]

I wasn’t sure what was up

[cunning urchin]

Or down, for that matter.

Squarely meeting expectations.

[vagrant crane]

wow someone should do this entirely feasible build

[plain river]

I mean

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1065134504299216956/image.png

[plain river]

@turbid needle new job

[vagrant crane]

i think the issue is tha tmom pom wouldn't work

because you necessarily have i think 2 other pommable boons

strike and dsomething

[plain river]

Deadly Strike and divine flourish

can’t be any other way

[vagrant crane]

i think it might be better to pull lvl 50 pp

instead of relying on deadly reversal

which only works for 2 seconds

[plain river]

Alternatively

cruel thrust

[vagrant crane]

maybe that person who was asking for builds that need a lot of moving parts

is dash strike a thrust

[plain river]

Nope

Live in pain with standing strike sword combo

[vagrant crane]

that doesn't work with the Optimal DPS Combo !!!

[plain river]

But

+40% crit chance and +200% damage on the thrust

Funni

[vagrant crane]

only 1 in 3

[plain river]

Wdym 1 in3

[vagrant crane]

only 1 in 3 hits is thrust

[plain river]

yup

that’s why cruel thrust is in neutral and not in actually useful

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026590427916275783/1059295975472103465/Sword_Hammer_Tierlist.png

[vagrant crane]

shadow slash clears

dash nova bad???

[plain river]

Shadow slash needs to get moved up to a “viable on arthur and otherwise neutral” category I know

[tight basin]

shadow slash is just arthur exclusive lmao

[vagrant crane]

didnt know that

[tight basin]

well it's not exclusive in the sense that you can only get it on arthur

it's exclusive in the sense that arthur is the only aspect you'd actually want it on

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

silly goose

[plain river]

“Viable on arthur and otherwise neutral”

[tight basin]

yeah

[plain river]

I’ll fix it at somepoint in the future

[vagrant crane]

i didnt know dash nova bad tho

[tight basin]

it's just like

really inconvenient lmao

like you can do your own "dash special" sorta thing with sword already

[vagrant crane]

but sturdyyyy

[tight basin]

sturdy is eh

[plain river]

Just use hyper sprint

You’re taking hypersprint anyways unless you see rare/epic dashes so

[vagrant crane]

elic

[plain river]

I know

[vagrant crane]

mfw i see elic dash

[plain river]

I caught it

[cunning urchin]

Making mistakes, as usual.

[plain river]

I caught it

[cunning urchin]

Sturdy is great.

Dash Nova is not so much anymore.

[plain river]

Sturdy is great but also see hypersprint

[cunning urchin]

Gimme Snap Nova back.

Speaking of Sturdy.

@mighty ermine

Obligatory.

[plain river]

The name for the image file of dash nova on wiki is snap nova

[candid abyss]

are there visuals for the other weapons this is really helpful

[tight basin]

i made one for bow and shield at some point lmao

[mighty ermine]

there is no escape for me

[plain river]

On other weapons it gets really aspect dependent

except for the staples

[vagrant crane]

charge shot best rail hammer???

[cunning urchin]

I think at this point, half the time I ping you, it's that.

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1059559032995717261/image.png?width=586&height=670
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1059560781622018069/image.png?width=566&height=670

[cunning urchin]

[tight basin]

disclaimer, i did not think a lot when making these and some might be inaccurate

[cunning urchin]

Why are there four S tier bow hammers?

[gilded wedge]

the images for the shield are just straight up the shield lol I haven't played this game enough to identify all of them

[cunning urchin]

That's just wrong.

[tight basin]

i think it's twin, point blank, perfect, and flurry? i dont remember lmao

[vagrant crane]

piercing volley, piercing volley, piercing volley, piercing volley

[plain river]

I did think a lot before mine and I keep throwing a disclaimer right underneath it saying “shadow slash needs to be moved to it’s own good or arthur neutral on others tier” and yet people still keep @ing me afterwards

[cunning urchin]

Cringe.

[vagrant crane]

its*

[tight basin]

lmao what should be up there then

[plain river]

🔫

[tight basin]

i need to move piercing to "Chiron moment" tho

[cunning urchin]

Twin and Triple, and that's it. Add Flurry if it's Hera.

[tight basin]

which i think i put in B or something idk

[vagrant crane]

still sucks on chiron

doesnt it

[plain river]

I am sleep deprived and headachy and stressed, get off my bum about a wording wrong

[tight basin]

that's fair i suppose

[vagrant crane]

it's not simply a matter of wording

[tight basin]

i didn't think much like i said lmao

[plain river]

I can’t think of the right word

[tight basin]

i was just like "yeah these hammers are pretty much good on all aspects for the most part"

[vagrant crane]

it's a matter of the very core of english grammar

[cunning urchin]

You need Twin or Triple to one-shot elites.

[plain river]

Is it grammar in this case

[tight basin]

fair

i'm not fixing it

[plain river]

Yeah ok

Figured

[tight basin]

i will simply just not send the bow tierlist next time

[plain river]

don’t you dare reply to me

I answered my own question

🔫

[vagrant crane]

inability to differentiate betwixt "its" and "it's" remains one of the most pressing grammatical issues to date

[tight basin]

i'm assuming the shield tier list is probably acceptable tho @cunning urchin

[vagrant crane]

alongside the lack of distinction between "your" and "you're" and "their", "there", and "they're"

[plain river]

Normally I use “it’s” and “itš” correctlycorrect

[vagrant crane]

itš

[plain river]

Correctlycorrect

💪

[vagrant crane]

sudden rush clears charged shot every time

who needs charged shot

[tight basin]

you

[plain river]

Charged shot >>>>> sudden rush

[vagrant crane]

nope

nuh uh

[tight basin]

okay buddy

[vagrant crane]

sudden rush is waaaaay better

sudden rush is the best hammer ever

[plain river]

Is this a copypasta btw

[cunning urchin]

You put Pulverizing Blow in F lmao.

[vagrant crane]

no i feel very strongly about english grammar

[plain river]

Hmm

[tight basin]

oh did i

what'd i put in c lmao

dashing wallop and something else then

[plain river]

I feel like its a copy pasta

[vagrant crane]

erm... shield and shield facing sideways

[plain river]

[vagrant crane]

nope

[cunning urchin]

Your C tier is Dashing Wallop and Breaching Rush.

[tight basin]

ah

oh i put pulv blow in F because of the longer time it takes to block

i guess it's still a good hammer

but it just feels super inconvenient a lot of the time

maybe it's just cshot brain rot

[plain river]

Anywho I know the difference between them all and use them correctly roughly 99.9% of the time, I just type quick and hit send fast

[cunning urchin]

Pulverizing Blow is right behind Charged Shot.

[tight basin]

🙃

well at least the tier list wasn't horribly wrong

[vagrant crane]

pulverizing blow dc2

[tight basin]

just 1 major error

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa where is flurry bash for shield?

[tight basin]

that's just chaos shield special

close enough

[plain river]

I mean hold down attack and no longer be able to bull rush

It just keeps swinging

[gilded wedge]

can't block with the shield just keep attacking

[plain river]

Yeah

Like how flurry jab removes spinning

And flurry shot removes powershot

[vagrant crane]

O, What a Loss!

[plain river]

also where is prenerf zag fists flurry knuckle

[plain river]

?

[vagrant crane]

?

[cunning urchin]

Give me pre-nerf Rolling Knuckle.

[plain river]

I want charged slash on sword

hold down attack button to increase range

then zag throws the sword

[vagrant crane]

i think they should make charge shot rail

[plain river]

[vagrant crane]

i think that would be very different from bow

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, because bow can one-shot elites and charged shot rail would not be able to.

[plain river]

Aspect of Hera rail

[cunning urchin]

That's what you pick Flurry Shot for.

[twin cloak]

the most effective easy way to play shield up to a certain point is to larp as a bow anyway

[cunning urchin]

Yeah lol.

[vagrant crane]

arthur wipes

[plain river]

My favourite way to play zag spear is as a 150 base damage bow with better +% scaling

Kinetic launcher: make your fists into a bow

charged shot: make your shield into a bow

[cunning urchin]

That can't one-shot elites.

[twin cloak]

I hate how fists em4 is slightly easier than sword solely because of long knuckle

[tight basin]

long knuckle based

[plain river]

charged skewer (+ explosiding launcher) make your spear into a bow

[cunning urchin]

The more I play bow, the less I like not having Twin Shot on other weapons.

[tight basin]

twin fists exists

[twin cloak]

twin beam on Lucifer when

[plain river]

twin shot rail when

[twin cloak]

point blank beam

[plain river]

Twin shot spear special when

Twin shot spear attack when

Omg I need to replace my m key with my n key

[twin cloak]

double edge kinda twin shot

[plain river]

Double edge worse twin shot

[twin cloak]

nah it's better

[plain river]

It doesn’t apply to standing strikes

[twin cloak]

twin shot is 2 shots -range

double edge is 2 shots +20% dmg 🔥

[plain river]

Still more range then sword

[cunning urchin]

I played Chaos base shield the other day with Charged Shot.

Imagine my grief when I couldn't even one-shot elite Thugs.

[plain river]

+20% damage on an attack with less base damage then bow 🔥

[twin cloak]

tbf zag bow can't one shot elite thugs either

[plain river]

That’s what you get for not playing discount beo

[vagrant crane]

does cshot?

[plain river]

They literally just said it didn’t

[vagrant crane]

does cshot?

[plain river]

🔫

[vagrant crane]

cshot do ?

[plain river]

I will defend myself from your mind games

[cunning urchin]

You can with crits.

[vagrant crane]

im too silly blehhh

[plain river]

Cshot makes your bullrush into a projectile shooty like bow but it does 80 damage at any range

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1065143236307460158/cover3.jpg

[plain river]

And you don’t fire off with the rush

[vagrant crane]

no way! i've never used this hammer before

[plain river]

I was unsure what you were asking

[vagrant crane]

im sillypilled rn

[cunning urchin]

You should try the pinned challenge btw if you haven't yet.

[vagrant crane]

i submitted already

[cunning urchin]

Not if I delete it.

[plain river]

I’ve submitted thrice and my 4th run looks like it might be the best yet

Maybe

Maybe

[vagrant crane]

i have the lowest obol count

[plain river]

I’ll hit 5220

[vagrant crane]

because i bought dd in styx

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1065034519469641818/IMG_2785.png

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[twin cloak]

I would do it but I don't have shady unlocked

[cunning urchin]

lmao

[plain river]

B RU H

[vagrant crane]

if boss gem drops counted you would have done it

[vagrant crane]

u need shady???

[plain river]

Shady is extra obol gain in tart

[vagrant crane]

yeah but how much can it be

[plain river]

Which can then be multiplied by golden touch

[vagrant crane]

isnt it like 20 obol per

[plain river]

It’s like 40-60 from what I’ve picked ip

[vagrant crane]

i had deep pockets on lol

[plain river]

Deep pockets is 🧠 when you are literally hoarding obols for a challenge

[vagrant crane]

i mean

i didnt intend to do it

i just got stuffed on khaos boons

got 90% obols

and was like why not

[plain river]

I only

Got a single chaos boon

[vagrant crane]

hardest run i've done as of late

[plain river]

This current run

[vagrant crane]

harder than 40 heat for sure

idk why

[plain river]

All the previous 3 either had none or a single roiling cast boon

[vagrant crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1065145103452217394/image.png

me asf

[vagrant crane]

what should i do on dem

[neon terrace]

epic dio aid or rare prem vin i cant decide

coukd also go epic drunk dash bc i have the fists

[cunning urchin]

Call.

[cunning urchin]

The aspect?

[vagrant crane]

yes

i went aph special last time

worked alright

and i think dio atk

[cunning urchin]

I wrote a Demeter Aspect guide here: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[vagrant crane]

coool

[neon terrace]

it's tart so i could still get another nectar but u right dio's aid is too good not to take

[rustic linden]

i got 6524 coins and im before the fight with hades 😳 😳

.....and i gtg...

[cunning urchin]

Good luck!

[rustic linden]

thx 😎

[plain river]

Simple you got a new job to do

[woeful pawn]

Bout to start a run with Guan Yu and I've never beat Dad with it, anyone have advice?

[cunning urchin]

Try not to die.

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message

[winter cove]

Question about keepsake mechanics - I want a specific boons to make my build work. I picked a keepsake but didn't got a boon I wanted and it seems that the god I need won't appear very often this run - is there a point in keeping a keepsake or should I switch.

[plain river]

Keeping gods keepsakes past doesn’t do anything outside of rarity

[winter cove]

And if there's no point then a question rn - I'm doing 32 heat chiron's bow run (with em4)
What gods would benefit me besides artemis

[cunning urchin]

Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message

[winter cove]

this run I have dio and aphrodite but dio doesn't do anything for the special burst damage that helped me with em4 greatly
and aphro does have high damage modifier

[cunning urchin]

Do you have Privileged Status?

A simple option would be to just simply not do EM4 at 32 tbh.

[winter cove]

nope

i dunno first try em4 was easy

[cunning urchin]

Hangover builds want Privileged Status. Missing out on a decent chunk of damage there.

[winter cove]

with chiron bow

[cunning urchin]

Well, there's EM4, and there's EM4 at 32+.

[winter cove]

though i had good luck with artemis

[neon terrace]

i thought u cant get deadly reversal with just divine dash

[vagrant crane]

the lvl46 heroic pp didn't raise any eyebrows?

[tight basin]

that's normal

[cunning urchin]

Could be an early access screenshot.

[acoustic skiff]

or you could sell the origo boon after you get duo

[stiff stone]

Is that ever worth doing? Because if you sell a main boon, it will likely be offered by someone else in the future and reduce the pool of stuff you may wanna see

[tight basin]

I mean it depends tbh

UC sometimes

Or just so you get better pom pools

Like if you have ME fully going on fists that isn't Dem, you could probably sell the special

That way you get more poms on doom and impending doom

[stiff stone]

Ah that is a good point, I hadn't considered poms

Wouldn't authority be good in a pom-centric run?

Like if you have your base build done and just wanna level it to all heck

[tight basin]

Yeah if you're going for pure poms

Meme runs that are like "highest x possible" would use authority

[cunning urchin]

Odds of actually rolling into a pom are pretty bad, though.

You'd probably want to roll Infernal Gates for double poms for better value.

[balmy zephyr]

if i already have crystal clarity and mirage shot are there any other duo boons or specific boons outside of demetor that go well with crystal beam? the ones i can think of is Artemis crits and legendary

[lucid oar]

Rush delivery

Chaos grasp and shot

[balmy zephyr]

right i guess i more of gods to force

im thinking after demetor artemis is prob best god to force?

[lucid oar]

Yep

[balmy zephyr]

yah i got this insane luck to get dementor, Artemis and posiden along with crystal clarity and mirage shot in Tartarus with a few rerolls. Ive gotten duo in tartuas plenty of times never the 2 i would ideally have in Tartarus

[plain river]

glacial glare

[solid tangle]

does anyone know how many ticks per second/ammo spent per second the 4th exagryph aspect does?

i think just trying to test it out i was estimating like 3 seconds to empty the clip of 20 so 7 or so a second probably?

[neon terrace]

sometimes it can be fun to use, other times it's really annoying to have and just sends u into traps/magma unnecessarily. overall i generally avoid it if im doing a serious run

[neon terrace]

sudden rush is like a tier for sure, and u can have some really strong attack builds on zag shield w/ pulv blow and dashing wallop. empowering flight's decent on zeus too

[neon terrace]

is flurry not great on zag too

[tight basin]

only if you get twin/triple

iirc

[tight basin]

pulv blow was already addressed, dashing wallop i put in C i think because it's just a cope pick if you dont get any good hammers, it's not outstanding or anything but it's not bad
sudden rush i think i also put in C tier? but it also feels like a cope pick if you dont get cshot unless you're running zeus, then you'd want sudden rush next
empowering flight is prob also decent on zeus but i haven't gotten it enough to tell

[proper furnace]

I woumd like emp flight on zeus more if you didnt need to catch the shield to get the buff

Buuut also that would be free 80% atk dmg so

[tight basin]

oh yeah that too you'd have to catch it first

[neon terrace]

beo w/o sudden rush or cshot is just painful as hell to use, w/ just sudden rush it's still good though. sudden rush is just good in general on all the shield aspects, ofc cshot is better but if u cant get cshot sudden rush is like the next best thing most of the time

[neon terrace]

ah true, forgot u have to catch it first

[proper furnace]

And a shield

[tight basin]

beo without sudden rush is fine tbh, i think it's mostly just you since you dont like using beo at all lmao

sudden rush on beo is fine ofc, but it's also fine without it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1065448741907206175/image.png?width=596&height=669
there i redid it lmao

eh

i wouldn't put it on par with those in B

this isn't just for beo

the others i would rather have on beo

fero guard, breaching, dashing wallop

the sturdy is fine, but it's just whatever

i dont think it's bad, but i wouldn't put it as equal value to those in B

Yeah

Better for reaching break points

And also more damage is more damage lol

I guess the sturdy would be better for face tanking fights

[vagrant crane]

what is vague poseidon build

all i know is electric shot

[plain river]

Phalanx shot -> zeus boons -> lightning phalanx

[tight basin]

Crush shot

[vagrant crane]

what dzeus boon

[plain river]

?

[vagrant crane]

like what sort

it's attack flourish dash call

which one would you ideally want

[plain river]

Attack or call

[vagrant crane]

is like exit wounds good enough to be worth going for

[plain river]

Nope

[vagrant crane]

unfortunate

[plain river]

enemies should be dying from your casts before exit wounds matters

[vagrant crane]

on bosses?

[plain river]

Not worth going out of your way for but

If you see artemis you might as well

[vagrant crane]

if you see it offered

yeah

cursed slash world splitter whyyy

[plain river]

3rd option?

[vagrant crane]

shadow

[plain river]

Shadow

take it

[vagrant crane]

well yeah

im not taking one of two detrimental hammers

[plain river]

It’s the only one of those that isn’t actively harming you lol

It’s kinda sad that that is a standard for good sword hammers

[vagrant crane]

you want grasp right

[plain river]

Grasp are good

So are shots

[vagrant crane]

NOOO CHAOS FISHING POINT AND I CLICKED REWARD TOO EARLY

is athena special fine

its 2.13

[tight basin]

If you already have the cast then yeah

If you're building towards lightning phalanx, you just take Athena and Zeus cores only so you don't open any other duos

The only thing that wouldn't open other duos would probably be like various dashes

Tidal, maybe hunter

[vagrant crane]

and now i spampom phalanx right

got purple splash dash

holy wow

this makes meg even more lightwork than usual

doesnt even need the fourth cast to phase

[plain river]

Who do you have in your god pool rn btw

[vagrant crane]

athena poseidxon

is shot worth enshrouded

wow

that was the easiest power couple ever

uh purble dzeus strike or call

got the duo

[plain river]

Either or

[vagrant crane]

this is kind of annoying though

i feel like the phalanx half the time just decides to go to the aether

omg theseus is so annoying hes faster than the cast

[plain river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQpCPoHDtQ0

Phalanx shot W

[vagrant crane]

whats the basic rama build

im sequentially trying out all my new toys rn

[plain river]

Aphrodite strike

flat damage on special

[vagrant crane]

oh