You stand corrected, yet again. 
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
dusty tendon
Keep the well run bureaucracy of hell in top shape
granite harness
hello! curious about duo boons as im getting back into speed running and having what seems to be impossibly bad luck with rolling merciful end on my fists lol does having any other duos disqualify you from rolling others? I know this is the case with some cast related ones like ares/demeter and ares/artemis
tight basin
welp rip just funky rng then lmao
cunning urchin
You'll want to make sure you don't take prerequites for any other Duo Boons until you get Merciful End.
Otherwise you'll hurt your chances of getting Merciful End a lot.
granite harness
gotcha, this run was too slow for my pb regardless so hopefully these next go better
thank you guys!
cunning urchin
So like... if you want to get Merciful End + Deadly Reversal like we did a lot back then, only open up Merciful End first and afterwards maybe pick up True Shot for Deadly Reversal.
m not a guy though.
granite harness
yeah i think i snagged artemis too early and that screwed me
will do better and report results 
cunning urchin
If you're interested in in-depths Malphon guides for speedrunning:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit#heading=h.xevsj9s4pz8n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4tdISdlj5A
granite harness
If you're interested in in-depths Malphon guides for speedrunning:
Im not tryna get suuuuper good at speedrunning, just good enough to impress some friends lol, thank you though! but on that note, i just shaved a minute off of my pb with this most recent run!!
Was 11:37 with eris rail, now 10:35 with demeter fists
Sub 10 is the goal
After that ill be content
cunning urchin
Or you fall into the rabbit hole of "guess I'll get sub 10 on all weapons now".
And then all aspects.
And then you accidentally got a sub 9 in the process, so now you want sub 9 all weapons...
granite harness
Im not sure i have that kind of patience although i could surprise myself
Honestly hades is the most fun ive had with a game in such a long time I hope i can still grind more after all this
tight basin
getting a sub10 is the gateeway into "yeah i can get a sub9"
cunning urchin
Sub 10 thankfully is still consistent enough where you can just play out every run and don't need to reset.
Unless you like... get terrible sack RNG, I guess.
granite harness
surprisingly, this was a three sack and one of the boss rooms was tiny vermin
i think i was on pace for sub ten before styx
https://twitter.com/xloufunnyx/status/1608376930956632064?s=46&t=lnE35ZUFt6NHs1XWe0RVCQ
The build for those curious
cunning urchin
We have #h1-victory-boasting for victory screenshots, actually. 
granite harness
I was running the mirror aspect that gives you one dash and bonus damage instead of multiple dashes but i think merciful end needs the extra dashes tbh wonder if thats better
Ill post there instead ty!
Thats less obnoxious i think.
cunning urchin
You definitely want Greater Reflex, yeah.
granite harness
Imma try a run with more dashes and see if that goes any better and/or if i get the same/better/or worse luck
Gotta sleep soon tho unfortunately, might be the last for tonight
granite harness
giving it a whirl, thanks for the pointers tonight! ill probs watch the vids you linked before i sleep and hopefully try some more tomorrow
do erebus gates freeze the clock? i assume not
plain river
Or you fall into the rabbit hole of "guess I'll get sub 10 on all weapons now".
Too true
plain river
do erebus gates freeze the clock? i assume not
No
granite harness
10:05, again a three sack and tiny vermin whyyyyyyyy
rose iron
sub 10? Jesus, and I'm not even sub 17 yet.
cunning urchin
We all start somewhere. 
rose iron
Admittedly my favorite build isn't exactly the speediest, but I just have too much bloody fun with it.
I call it "Bolt Action." Hestia Rail and as much dash attack damage as I can stack, on top of anything else good like backstab and a high base damage primary.
you can probably guess how it plays. >.>
There's just something about managing to land an 1800 damage crit now and then.
cunning urchin
Hestia speedrun meta is Tidal Dash start for AOE in Tartarus, but you can get sub 10 pretty consistently with Deadly Strike and Hunter Dash start.
rose iron
Wow, my best runs with Hestia are like, 18-20. Even when I get Deadly Strike+Hunter Dash, or something similar. Wonder what I'm doing wrong.
cunning urchin
Just a matter of practice and also making sure you use your Special when you reload.
rose iron
Wait, use special when reloading? This I wasn't aware of.
cunning urchin
Yeah, can just press reload and Special at the same time.
plain river
Watching speedruns with your favourite aspect also allows you to pick up some stuff
cunning urchin
If you're on pad, make sure you remap Reload to L1/LB or something.
rose iron
Oh, L1 is already my reload.
cunning urchin
That's the most common remap for it, yeah.
Honestly should have been the default mapping for it.
plain river
Just play hestia like eris I’m sure it’ll be fine
cunning urchin
Make sure you don't press Attack too early after your Reload. There's no input buffer there, so if you press Attack just a little bit too early while it's still reloading, your Attack just won't come out.
Safer to wait a little longer than necessary than to press too early, get no Attack at all, and then press reload again because you're in the rhythm, and now you wasted a bunch of time waiting for another reload to finish...
On the flipside, after you press Attack, you can press Reload immediately. It's a common mistake to like... wait for your Attack to hit before you press Reload.
That wastes a lot of time.
Instead you wanna press them almost simultaneously. Just make sure you press Attack first, of course.
Since you're doing Deadly Strike start, you'll want to look for Hunter's Mark and pom that.
random mango
When using the Rolling Knuckle upgrade for the twin fists it adds the dash-strike attack to the normal attack combo.
Do boons that upgrade dash-strike damage now apply to this as well? Like the Lunge from Chaos or Hunter's Dash? Especially with Hunter's Dash, this attack does not have the green colour it only has it when actually dashing
valid dagger
That's quite a specific question 
I doubt the dash strike damage buffs apply to it but I'm not sure
ashen shoal
I'm seeing really bad odds on getting boons lately, but I really need nectar. should I keep grinding nectar with olympian favor or should I bite the bullet and swap to dark foresight?
tight basin
Dark foresight should always be on anyways lmao
Better for darkness farming too
Faster runs means more resources
ashen shoal
I'm just concerned for it lowering my chances of getting nectar
which, again, I really really need more of
tight basin
I usually get 1 naturally per run
Without dark foresight I get like 1 still lmao
Forcing Dio for premium vintage will help tho
And iirc troves and shady can drop a nectar
ashen shoal
shady?
cunning urchin
When using the Rolling Knuckle upgrade for the twin fists it adds the dash-strik...
Yes, Dash-Strike bonus damage applies to it.
ashen shoal
Use the trade at the house for more nectar
i do, I'm just also broke on keys
random mango
Pretty sure that's called shady
You mean Bouldy the boulder? 😆
random mango
Oh I haven't got it yet
turbid needle
In tartarus, have zeus shield, already got rare aphro attack and rare zeus special (VERY lucky) in addition to a pulverizing blow hammer
Not really interested in slothful shot, zeus is not really a castspect
But I'm between higher boon rarity (when I already have my attack and special boon, mind you) and my pulverizing blow attack doing 31% more damage
What should I take? Boon rarity or attack damage? Because I do still use my shield attack
tight basin
What should I take? Boon rarity or attack damage? Because I do still use my shie...
I'd take attack
It's the least harmful assuming you don't hit a trap
twin cloak
I see a case for rarity if you're pushing for supplementary boons
like a big duo or smth like hydraulic might for hestia
like jolted rarity here could be big
hexed summit
I was trying to make a Achilles cast build with Demeter or Ares cast but the experience was quite awful. Sure it feels nice enough after getting the respective artemis duo boon, but if it doesn't show up in Asphodel it's just bad. How should I build a cast build for Achilles?
brittle nest
also if they’re in tart then they prob get to hit a hermes boon
brittle nest
I was trying to make a Achilles cast build with Demeter or Ares cast but the exp...
try using Stygian and taking chaos for +1 cast, (maybe even getting fully loaded), and make sure you just
special -> spam cast -> repeat to get the buff on as many casts as you can
twin cloak
I was trying to make a Achilles cast build with Demeter or Ares cast but the exp...
honestly I would start with a non cast source of damage like tidal dash
then build into whatever you find
brittle nest
that too
cunning urchin
Crystal Beam and Slicing Shot are both slow starters.
twin cloak
the best starting cast for Achilles is probably phalanx or flood
cunning urchin
If I remember right before Tidal Dash meta, Electric Shot was the go-to pick on Achilles.
That's like ages ago though.
I remember asking speedrunners what to go for for speed and being told Electric Shot, though.
ashen shoal
best special for max level chiron?
ashen shoal
... thanks
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Flourish, Drunken Flourish, Tempest Flourish, Frost Flourish all have their perks tbh.
hexed summit
Hmm, seastorm looks like something that I may want to try out
cunning urchin
For Achilles, you mean?
You don't start Tidal Dash on Achilles for Sea Storm. You start Tidal Dash for Tidal Dash.
Doesn't unlock Sea Storm anyway.
ashen shoal
uhhhh yes I do??? it's chiron. I play chiron how I want to play it. please just tell me what the strongest special for actually using the special is.
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Flourish, Drunken Flourish, Tempest Flourish, Frost Flourish all have their perks tbh.
There, that's the answer.
ashen shoal
thank you!
cunning urchin
Curse of Pain doesn't really have anything going for it tbh; it's good enough, but it's also worse damage than other options with no upsides really.
Nyaanyaa's Chiron Guide
Privileged Status builds:
Heartbreak Flourish > Unhealthy Fixation and/or Smoldering Air (with Zeus' Aid), and also look for any status curse on Attack or Static Discharge if you have Zeus' Aid
Drunken Flourish + Heartbreak Strike > Low Tolerance, and can also look for Trippy Shot > Black Out. Lots of poms on Drunken Flourish
Frost Flourish > double down on Chill t2 boons and any Attack with a status curse
Family Favorite builds:
Heartbreak Flourish > Unhealthy Fixation and/or Smoldering Air (with Zeus' Aid)
Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike > Heart Rend
Tempest Flourish > any core from Lord Zeus but ideally Zeus' Aid > Sea Storm, and also look for Tidal Dash
Heartbreak Strike start and then picking up a good Special along the way (usually at Tartarus miniboss for high rarity) is also a great option. Gets you good rarity on your Special and opens up great Duo Boons. I like Privileged Status for that, but can also go Family Favorite.
Tidal Dash, Divine Dash, and Hunter Dash are good in all of those builds.
Chiron builds Call fast, so you'll want to pick up a good Call along the way. Basically anything but Ares' Aid works well enough. If you have Drunken Flourish, don't pick up Dionysus' Aid because different sources of Hangover will overwrite each other; but if you don't have Drunken Flourish, Dionysus' Aid is amazing for DPS.
Enter every Chaos Gate you find and look for Flourish to get more damage on your Special. Strike, Lunge, Favor, and Assault/Ambush are also good picks if you can't find Flourish.
Hammers:
Concentrated Volley > Relentless Volley is ideal. Flurry, Twin, Triple are also all good options.
granite harness
Or you fall into the rabbit hole of "guess I'll get sub 10 on all weapons now".
so maybe not all weapons but i do wanna try some others
i managed a 9:30 with demeter fists
any fast bow builds? i think bow is honestly my fav weapon
cunning urchin
any fast bow builds? i think bow is honestly my fav weapon
If you're on pad, remap Cast to L1/LB when playing Hera.
misty scaffold
Finally got Artemis' waking phrase!!!
On my 10th run since i last got asked if it was a bug too lololol
cunning urchin
Chiron is bad. Zag Bow is okay. Hera is by far the best and has speedrun WR, in fact.
granite harness
yeah i was just scroll the speedrun/hades wiki thing and found the guides section but the only bow guides talk about the two aspects im not used to
cunning urchin
For Zag Bow, you'd start Tidal Dash and then pick up Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike ideally.
And hope for Strike/Lunge/Assault from Master Chaos.
And basically just reset if you don't get Twin or Triple Shot first hammer. 
granite harness
should i keep the mirror aspects i used for the fists run? that mirror setup seemed way better than the one i normally run
just wasnt sure if it was weapon dependant
cunning urchin
For Zag Bow?
granite harness
yeah
cunning urchin
This is what I use. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1054850380388896798/Hades_5116.png
tight basin
if you're not using a castpect, infernal vs stygian doesnt matter too much
also most opt for thick skin over high confidence if they're not speedrunning
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul can save valuable seconds in Tartarus.
granite harness
yeah i wasnt used to the lower health when i first switched and died a lot lol
cunning urchin
Some enemies you can just kill with a single Cast or Cast > Dash-Strike Power Shot.
tight basin
oh this is for speedrunning
cunning urchin
also most opt for thick skin over high confidence if they're not speedrunning
He's going for sub 10, yeah.
tight basin
doesn't zyru use stygian on hestia
cunning urchin
This is Zag Bow.
tight basin
fair
tight basin
Infernal Soul can save valuable seconds in Tartarus. <:tizomg:456913427588317184...
i thought when you said this it was for like general speedrunning not for zag bow
cunning urchin
Probably matters less if you start Tidal Dash tbh.
granite harness
is hunter dash any good?
im a softie for artemis so i like to fit her in where i can
cunning urchin
I mean I personally start Heartbreak Strike and then look for Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash.
tight basin
it's prob good on zag bow, but i'm assuming it's not too preferred over tdash because you lose aoe and dont have a styx shredder
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash start will make your Tartarus way more consistent, though.
cunning urchin
it's prob good on zag bow, but i'm assuming it's not too preferred over tdash be...
It's more about Tartarus than Styx tbh.
granite harness
so should i start with the conch shell thing to guarantee Poseidon
cunning urchin
Yes.
Get poms on Tidal Dash, too.
Well, unmodded Zag Bow WR has Deadly Strike start, so it's not like it can't work.
But also that's from a year ago.
tight basin
theoretically how well would flurry strike ME zag bow go
granite harness
so your seed doesnt change unless you die/finish a run right?
tight basin
yes
cunning urchin
lol I think it would perform pretty poorly.
granite harness
the hammer keeps not giving me flurry
cunning urchin
If you want to reset in speedruns, just get killed.
tight basin
what are the other options
cunning urchin
Flurry start is for Hera anyway. Zag Bow wants Twin or Triple Shot.
Might be good to watch the modded Zag Bow WR to get an idea for how to play it. https://youtu.be/0DT7lBtAHqY
twin cloak
the modded zagbow former wr
cunning urchin
Ah right.
This one.
I clicked on the wrong one.
The former WR is 4 seconds slower, so it's best to completely disregard everything in that run.
twin cloak
duh
plain river
I clicked on the wrong one. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Impossible
ashen shoal
if I were to do em4 just for funsies and my pride, what are some tips for it? I'll have no other heat stuff, just em4
cunning urchin
if I were to do em4 just for funsies and my pride, what are some tips for it? I'...
tight basin
he gets some new moves and gimmicks, but also treat it like every other boss you've done
smash your face against it enough times and you'll get it
plain river
I wonder how slow em4 hades is without fo2
Don’t know if I’ve ever fought him without it
ashen shoal
I haven't done a Beowulf run yet, it kinda scares me lol
beo and luci are the only hidden aspects I haven't done yet, luci only bc I just got it last run
plain river
I haven't done a Beowulf run yet, it kinda scares me lol
How?
cunning urchin
Beowulf is broken.
plain river
+10% dmg taken
it’s really not noticeable
ashen shoal
im whatever the opposite of a meta player is 💪
plain river
Safest aspect in the game.
Aside from regular shields
ashen shoal
gtk! will do a beo run to get used to it tomorrow
cunning urchin
Aside from regular shields
No.
ashen shoal
or later today, as it's midnight. goodnight and thank you!
cunning urchin
Beowulf has way better block radius and way better DPS than the other shields.
cunning urchin
Are regular shields not safer thanks to being able to block sooner or
The only point when that matters is 60+ Heat with RI3 when majority of the damage comes from Charged Shot instead of the Casts.
Because at that point, the others just have faster Charged Shot.
tight basin
+10% dmg taken
Ngl I forgot that existed
But also you don't have to worry about getting hit if you nuke them
near ferry
r there any good exagryph setups that yall use?
i wanna know what to get on attack, special, cast and stuff and what duos i should be going for
currently struggling with figuring a good exagryph build, i think Zeus is almost the go to for attack i suppose
wary adder
what aspect?
cobalt wadi
zeus is mostly the go to, i think u start with poseidon keepsake to get tidal dash and then pray for a natural zeus in tartarus
get zeus on attack then scale into the tier 2 and tier 3 boons from there
including the legendary boon
zeus’ legendary jumps ur dps massively
this is eris rail btw
then for special its artemis or aphro
and clockets if u can get it
hyper delivery combo from hermes if u want
wary adder
zeus is mostly the go to, i think u start with poseidon keepsake to get tidal da...
you dont start with poseidon apart from on hestia
wary adder
get zeus on attack then scale into the tier 2 and tier 3 boons from there
most importantly static discharge and pom it
plush pollen
anyone got a good zeus shield build ?
winter vortex
What aspect do I need to play to get chain skewer
Have never gotten it before
And still need it for fated list if prophecies
valid dagger
What aspect do I need to play to get chain skewer
Zag Spear or Hades Spear
winter vortex
Oh so the 2 aspects I never use
delicate hatch
near ferry
hyper delivery combo from hermes if u want
thanks
was a pretty damn good build
i underestimated exagryph
young dirge
does anyone have a good build for arthur
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air.
@young dirge this video is a good starting point for getting faster runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
young dirge
ive seen the video but thank you anyway
twin cloak
you dont start with poseidon apart from on hestia
tdash start on eris is a thing that exists
cunning urchin
Can start Tidal Dash on anything tbh.
turbid needle
Hey y'all! So, Im fairly "new" to the game, only played for around 22 hours
Im not educated on the strats at all, I main the shield and I havent been able to beat hades once
May I have tips on what builds to use for the shield?
valid dagger
Hey y'all! So, Im fairly "new" to the game, only played for around 22 hours
Im ...
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide This is a good compilation of builds for all the weapons, may contain spoilers
brittle nest
good build for first guan yu clear? ive had a couple wins and wanna get one with guan yu
valid dagger
good build for first guan yu clear? ive had a couple wins and wanna get one with...
Guide is one message above you, it goes over how to play the weapon and the 2 main builds
distant zodiac
hi do you guys have any tips for elysium in general? like how to defeat those butterfly balls or the minotaur
the mobs drain ur health faster than in asphodel or tartarus
cunning urchin
I would say the most important factors are upgrading your mirror and getting better builds.
distant zodiac
lol i dont really know what they are yet since its my 4th run
ima save up darkness tho to get death defiance
plain river
4th run getting to elysium 
distant zodiac
is that good lol
ashen shoal
I sometimes see folks use summons against Hades, how do you unlock that? or is it bc I use Thanatos summon
pine scaffold
you have to make bonds with certain npcs in the story and they’ll give u companions
pine scaffold
I sometimes see folks use summons against Hades, how do you unlock that? or is i...
also pretty sure u need to max out some companions or something
plain river
I sometimes see folks use summons against Hades, how do you unlock that? or is i...
Eventually Hades will give you dialogue where he allows you to, you need to have 2 companions iirc, at least one being from an employee of Hades
Let me double check that though
plain river
“Summons vs Hades
At first, only Shady and Rib may be used against Hades. However, once you have forged a sufficient bond with him and a few others, he will grant you authority to use any of the companions against him.
This authority requires:
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades” -wiki
pine scaffold
oh yeah i forgot about relationships 💀
plain river
oh yeah i forgot about relationships 💀
that’s how you get companions
ashen shoal
I've got seven w meg, than, and dusa, I'm working on skelly and Sisyphus, and I think Hades is at 5
plain river
Rng dialogue then
ashen shoal
aight thanks
pine scaffold
dialogue is goofy
ashen shoal
I don't have rib or shady bc I'm trying to get aphro's bond so I'm grinding romance pathways rn
normal ore
Hi tried using companion against redacted and it wouldn’t summon. Are we really not allowed to use companions against redacted?
normal ore
Ohhh hahaha my bad wasn’t back reading
distant zodiac
i took like 5 just to beat meg
my secret is that the death wish in a hat in time is crazy hard
distant zodiac
also elden ring
languid hornet
Does Ravenous Will work on castpects ?
valid dagger
Yes
vital hound
Henlo 
Quick question
What will happen if I pick Athena’s last stand while full on DDs?
grand brook
you dont get anything
vital hound
Not even an 
or anything dumb like that ?
Welp
I guess I’m rolling for something else then
Aw, gee - thanks
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1059185397193789530/IMG_0551.jpg
brave shoal
i dont think they are useless
proper furnace
They are free gold at your nearesg purging pool
Tho i like sweet nectar
Big number funny
plain river
i dont think they are useless
None of those 3 are ones you would go out of your way to get as they’re mediocre to negligible at best
sonic arch
Pretend I dont have a prophecy
What do I take for first hammer on beo when building for flood beo
plain river
Might as well take charged flight imo they’re all kinda sad
tight basin
yeah they're all bad lmao
sonic arch
oof ok
tight basin
dashing wallop i guess
but like
doesnt matter frankly
might as well take prophecy
sonic arch
might as well take prophecy
ye i will
pine scaffold
bruh screenshot on xbox be like
anyways i have to choose low tolerance sweet nectar or aphro aid
also im using chiron
aphro attack dio special poseidon cast and athena dash
pine scaffold
anyways i have to choose low tolerance sweet nectar or aphro aid
i have sweet nectar as a prophecy
so idk which one to choose 
proper furnace
Im team might as well take the prophecy
If you feel like lacking dmg then take low tol now
pine scaffold
also heat 19 btw
im on two dd
cuz i lost one to tisiphone and her sisters cuz i had hard labor +60 or smth
ill take prophecy
cuz im still dealing lots of dmg without 8 hangover
k lost one dd to em lernie
things are looking good
ionic crown
k lost one dd to em lernie <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Lernie tax
pine scaffold
oh wait nvm i got low tolerance anyways
turbid needle
eh the bottom 2 are nice tho not in styx
plain river
eh the bottom 2 are nice tho not in styx
curse of longing isn't nice tbh
it's free obols and that's it
ashen shoal
I'm in tartarus and I kinda need to go back to the House, should I challenge charon? my build is kinda mid so idk if I'd win or not
plain river
I'm in tartarus and I kinda need to go back to the House, should I challenge cha...
take charon in tart
either you win and get card which is super useful for the rest of the run, or die trying
extra experience with charon fight is always useful anyway
ashen shoal
aight
I need the acheivement for winning anyways, and I wanna get the prophecy for beating him twice in a row eventually
I don't think I'll win tho. if I do, it'd be nice
uhhhh I won! I think I may lose to the furies bc I only have 3 minutes left on tight deadline
plain river
uhhhh I won! I think I may lose to the furies bc I only have 3 minutes left on t...
Should be enough time, even if you do go into overtime it’s not instant death, you just lose 5hp/second
tight basin
charon's typically like c8 or something
should be a good chunk of time left for furies assuming you dont get horrible rooms
ashen shoal
oh yeah I got into asph no prob
tight basin
@prime yew stubborn defiance is better if you're dying in normal rooms because you can refresh it every room
DD is a lot better for boss fights, since you can use multiple if you have to
obv personal preference, but typically in early game, DD is much better
prime yew
yeah i used DD in early game
befor i figured out you could change them
then SD was way better
the way i do it is i just use skelly's tooth
if it dies, then i use the one that makes you invincible
tight basin
if it dies, then i use the one that makes you invincible
acorn?
prime yew
no the broken spearpoint i think
tight basin
ah
spearpoint prevents wombo combos and cures styx poison
acorn is the best defensive keepsake in the game against bosses
prime yew
yeah but you have to get to the bosses for it to work lol
tight basin
i mean ideally you get to the point where you only have to worry about the bosses
which should be pretty soon tbh
tight basin
acorn into styx or elysium is commonly preferred
tight basin
yes
prime yew
Thx
why cant i use companion batty during the final boss fight?
tight basin
because meg works for hades
tight basin
didnt you just get your first clear
prime yew
yeah but i saw a video
tight basin
ah lmao
prime yew
yall my brother beat the game before me and I was FUMING
but turns out he used easy mode and had already died alot so
tight basin
lmao it do be like that
prime yew
should i save my gemstones? do i need them for furniture or can i splurge on the broker?
proper furnace
Use them on broker
Furniture only matters for a bit later to advance dusa bond tho
plain river
then SD was way better
SD is kind of only good once you’re using Lasting Consequences 4
prime yew
Furniture only matters for a bit later to advance dusa bond tho
ok thx
plain river
SD is kind of only good once you’re using Lasting Consequences 4
Otherwise DD is just safer for when it matters
prime yew
the furies group is so much harder than individually
i thought i would fight 1 after another after another, or all 3 at once, mantis-lords style
prime yew
best keepsake for styx? @tight basin
cunning urchin
Acorn.
prime yew
ok thx
cunning urchin
Ironically, fighting all three at once would offer less variety than we have. EM1 has 9 variants.
plain river
best keepsake for styx? <@384127040992837633>
Distant memory
prime yew
Because distant memory is never a good pick
except for maybe spear and bow
plain river
I mean looking at what distant memory does should be enough to figure out that it’s a joke imo
plain river
except for maybe spear and bow
Nope not even then
plain river
A) it’s an impractically long range before it starts doing extra damage
B) it’s negligle extra damage
C) there isn’t ever a good biome to take it in*
D) bow doesn’t really play ranged if it’s using it’s best hammers and neither do spears unless it’s guan-yu or exploding launcher+charged skewer zag or hades spear
plain river
*elaborate for part C
It’s generally more worthwhile to force a god in via a god keepsake in tartarus and asphodel, and taking charons hourglass into elysium can easily even out to more damage then distant memory could ever give you, as well as acorn just being more valuable for elysium and styx/dad fight
tight basin
it's pretty much the same reason why sniper shot hammer on bow sucks lmao
the effective range where it hits is too far out
and you dont really play that far
plain river
it's pretty much the same reason why sniper shot hammer on bow sucks lmao
Snipershot is worse because it blocks twinshot as well
tight basin
that too
a lot of the ranged weapons in this game play pretty close or midrange funny enough
the only one i'd argue that actually uses the full range is like chiron or hera
plain river
mb
No problem I just wanted to lay out my entire thought process for why I wouldn’t ever take it so everything made sense
tight basin
but even chiron or hera doesn't play that far, it's more like midrange
@plain river can you give me a decent aspect to play i dont know what aspect i want to use
plain river
<@733775512991694900> can you give me a decent aspect to play i dont know what a...
Zag bow
tight basin
too late i'm going for deadly reversal lmao
plain river
too late i'm going for deadly reversal lmao
Based anyways
cunning urchin
the only one i'd argue that actually uses the full range is like chiron or hera
Hera often fires from point-blank to pick up bloodstones right away and not waste time charging the shot. I'd say it's the most melee of all the bow aspects.
tight basin
oh lmao
cunning urchin
Chiron often wants to be relatively far for the Special to hit well.
tight basin
i did say chiron wanted range
cunning urchin
Just adding to what you said.
tight basin
flurry, point blank, or explosive on twin zag bow
i'd assume point blank right
tight basin
true
cunning urchin
Flurry and Point-Blank are both good.
plain river
I don’t like flurry because it throws me off my rhythm
cunning urchin
I don’t like flurry because it throws me off my rhythm
plain river
My favourite part about zag bow is it being a rhythm game
Flurry shot just feels weird
and unnatural
I get that it’s a good hammer but I am not used to it yet
cunning urchin
Zag Bow EM4 without Flurry is kind of a pain.
plain river
Oh Nyaanyaa I got this close 🤏 to killing Hades again today but then timed out thanks the the extra time and touch of styx dark that the 3rd tunnel took from me
I can’t remember if I told you already or not
cunning urchin
Just a matter of time at this point.
plain river
I think everytime I’ve reached Hades I’ve died to him at last 50% of phase 2
But getting to him is the swingy part
tight basin
@plain river i hate you im doing flurry shot zeus atk zag bow and guess what i got
god damn epic rd
didnt reroll
i have tdash sea storm and rod
i lost 2 dds in tart
this is so cursed
plain river
<@733775512991694900> i hate you im doing flurry shot zeus atk zag bow and guess...
I hate you, you got my dream offmeta build
tight basin
i hate everything
just got offered mirage lmao
didnt take it
but bruh
i killed heroes faster with this build than twin point blank
plain river
i killed heroes faster with this build than twin point blank
Typical FDS gameplay
cunning urchin
Speedrunning?
lucid oar
My zag bow pb is Zeus attack lol
tight basin
Speedrunning?
i entered styx at 9:45 this is not a speedrun
i just think it'd be funny
oh yeah 2nd hammer is sniper shot so that's upsetting
i think the dad fight was less than a minute lmao
this is upsetting
edgy depot
do yall know a good eris build i heard it was good and i wanted to try it
valid dagger
do yall know a good eris build i heard it was good and i wanted to try it
Start with Zeus Attack and look for a solid +% Special, ideally Aphro or Artemis, and also look for Tidal Dash. Put a few poms in Tidal Dash as it does a lot of your damage on Eris, and focus on using it well. Force Poseidon into Asphodel if you leave Tart without the dash and force Artemis if you have the dash but no Special. As you continue the run look for Static Discharge and Zeus Aid and potentially Double Strike and Splitting Bolt later, Zeus is always strong here. Pom your Static Discharge and Aid a bit if you can. If you see more Artemis try getting Mark and Pressure Points, that’s mostly about it. And from Poseidon you can get Shoals and Breaking Wave. Worth mentioning that Dio aid is a very good substitute if you don’t see much Zeus, and a nice cast can help cleanup and do some decent damage, Phalanx is a good one. In terms of hammers the strongest combo is Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb, this makes it so you fire 5 rockets with 80 base damage each which is superior to every other combo, however you wont always get that so some other good ones are: Delta Chamber (it’s bugged to make your dash strike preserve iframes so it’s a very safe pick, also one less thing to manage), Targeting System is solid, it makes enemies take extra damage from all sources and you’ll have a ton of damage output to make use of this. The rest aren’t that great, Triple is okay with Rocket but it’s tough to play well, attack hammers like Flurry Explosive etc are decent, nothing too fancy, just avoid Spread Fire.
The general idea of Eris is knowing how to manage your stuff, and using your dash well. Ideally you’ll be using the appropriate number of bullets for enemies and you shouldnt hold down your attack button and go around a room, instead fire in bursts as you dash because dash-strikes will let out 1 bullet faster so the rotation is much smoother that way. Make sure you always have the Eris buff, always wing a Special in your rotation to cancel reload and buff again.
edgy depot
Start with Zeus Attack and look for a solid +% Special, ideally Aphro or Artemis...
just beat theseus and asterius without using a dd for the first time with this build ty
small magnet
what do you go on arthur sword?
plain river
Aphro strike -> zeus call -> smair
small magnet
whats smair?
plain river
Smouldering Air
small magnet
ah ok
plain river
Then after that grabbing aphrodite and zeus supporting boons for even more damage reduction and lightning bolt damage up respectively
small magnet
can u dash strike with lucifer?
plain river
can u dash strike with lucifer?
Nope
You also can’t get hunter dash from artemis and I’m pretty sure you cannot get lunge boons from chaos
small magnet
alright tyvm!
trim creek
My zag bow pb is Zeus attack lol
please tell me your pfp isnt real and edited
tight basin
@turbid needle
stuck bough
what weapon/aspect is best for a revenge build?
thorn tendon
plain river
Arthur or eris
proper furnace
Zag fists also work no? At least in the premise you get vengeful mood
still vortex
Does breaking waves count as a “trap” damage for considering Stygian shard?
Are hades nova skulls or green pots considered “traps”?
proper furnace
Pots do
plain river
Zag fists also work no? At least in the premise you get vengeful mood
Use zag fists, build ME and grab curse of vengeance before holy shield
proper furnace
@vital hound pom bug is in reference to trippy flare being bugged on beo
The poms are double of what it says
lucid oar
Fixed
proper furnace
Funny bug
tight basin
oh so that's why it hit so hard <:PES2_Hmmmm:903233568250155018>
you never know what the real number is unless you actually pay attention to what's popping up or you get a cast replacement boon
there's a pic of it here somewhere when someone asked about the real damage because they got confused by the numbers
but the bug was discovered a while ago in the speedrunning server
vital hound
well those numbers are kinda hard to keep track of sometimes
during normal combat i just eyball it and see how fast i can take down an enemy
proper furnace
The story of pom bug is always funny to read
vital hound
and during bossfights i look at the bar
proper furnace
"why im hitting 500 dmg with 1 cast on meg"
tight basin
yeah that's why a lot of the number bugs in this game are hard to figure out
tight basin
"why im hitting 500 dmg with 1 cast on meg"
it was like lvl 2 or 3 flare as well wasnt it lmao
proper furnace
you never know what the real number is unless you actually pay attention to what...
The cast replace is how you notice thunder flare has 0 cast dmg too lol
tight basin
oh yeah lmfao
proper furnace
Is just a lightning bolt
vital hound
one three stack was almost enough to get one phase of lernie
tight basin
oh btw @vital hound are you aware of the mirage bug
proper furnace
Oh boy
proper furnace
Mirage doesnt apply the dmg reduction on flares
proper furnace
Welcome to beo
proper furnace
The more you look at it the more of a mess it is
tight basin
well it's only on flares
vital hound
amir pls 
tight basin
on like normal casts it's fine
proper furnace
Except thunder cuz 0 cast dmg moment
tight basin
but also on the other hand 30% is like a chaos buff so it's always good taking on a cast build lol
if you see it anyways
there are other bugs on beowulf as well, but these are the only good ones lol
tight basin
i do love me some beans
for beo, flood flare is good tho because it opens up mirage
and has respectable damage and amazing aoe
hits through walls too lol
proper furnace
For beo there is only 3 casts
vital hound
have you seen that clip where i managed to dump way over 10k damage in less than 5 seconds with chiron?
vital hound
the phattest damage i've ever had
tight basin
have you seen that clip where i managed to dump way over 10k damage in less than...
heart rend, conc volley, epic swift flourish?
tight basin
lmao
tight basin
you can chain the volleys to stack on conc volley + epic swift flourish
proper furnace
My fav clip is prob the one where i skip winter harvest on em4 dad
Or the fat crit on poor lernie with arthur
vital hound
lernie just can't catch a break
tight basin
that looks like conc volley + epic swift flourish by those numbers lmao
vital hound
better punching bag than skelly
tight basin
Or the fat crit on poor lernie with arthur
didnt your game crash after or something lmao
vital hound
proper furnace
didnt your game crash after or something lmao
Yes it crashed on styx lol
proper furnace
vital hound
kinda reminds me of that one clip from transistor where someone managed to spawn a whole bunch of those noodle thingys and then used crash()
and it crashed the game 
proper furnace
My fav clip is prob the one where i skip winter harvest on em4 dad
Found the beo one
vital hound
tight basin
big boom
vital hound
ok that's enough for me today
tight basin
was there mirage lmao
vital hound
tight basin
oh damn jesus christ
edgy depot
Zeus shield build? Heard its pretty good and i got my first clear with zag shield so im kind of atached to it
urban lodge
Yes
tight basin
Zeus shield build? Heard its pretty good and i got my first clear with zag shiel...
zeus special, aphrodite atk, dio/zeus call, smoldering air
technically aphrodite atk isn't necessary, any % can work, but it's just nice since it's a prereq for smoldering air (which is also not necessary but just nice)
it mainly just boils down to "zeus special + static discharge"
and preferably every other supporting zeus boon
edgy depot
Its just especifically zeus
tight basin
poseidon on pos sword kinda mid
dem on dem fists kinda mid
idk what else there is lmao
edgy depot
dont think theres anything else
red mist
I had a "ARESSS DESTROY MY ENEMIES AND MY LIFE IS YOURS" build and honestly it was probably unironically my best in a while. Stacking blade rifts with dashes and special plus having stacking doom on attack with the stygian blade on top of Zeus's bolts on my technique
gentle shuttle
algum br aqui ?
red mist
well i mean i'm sure there's better build and my victory over the final boss was slim but I felt I was dealing big damage quickly over a wide arena and the doom made the damage quickly stack on single enemies
near ferry
recommendations for Guan Yu builds?
cunning urchin
@delicate hatch EM4 guide, not written by me. https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit#
cunning urchin
recommendations for Guan Yu builds?
Guan Yu guide, written by me. #h1-discussion message
twin cloak
poseidon on pos sword kinda mid
flood shot cracked
tight basin
oh is it lmao
plain river
poseidon on pos sword kinda mid
Pos^2
plain river
idk what else there is lmao
Hades Call on Hades Spear
plain river
that just sounds like a terrible idea frankly
Hades^2
Actually
Hades^3
Because you’re playing Hades with Hades aspect and Hades call
cunning urchin
Hades^4 because you're playing the son of Hades.
cunning urchin
Hades^5 if your rank is Unseen One, which means Hades.
lunar crown
demeter fists i have , breaching cross, kinetic launcher and flying cutter
which is better
lucid oar
Breaching
lunar crown
ok ty
distant zodiac
guys i had a decent build but then i added aphro's call
was that a bad decision?
i dont usually use her a lot
is the call mid?
cunning urchin
Nah, her Call is pretty good.
cunning urchin
What do you mean?
You can't get an exchange for Calls, if that's what you're asking.
You can be offered exchanges only for Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.
distant zodiac
ooo- ok thx lol
weak hedge
What's the best boons for Hestia build? I like turning my railgun into a shotgun, but I feel I can make my damage go up more
lunar crown
shackles
tight basin
start tidal dash, get aphrodite attack in asphodel (or artemis if you have a ton of chaos additive damage)
you can cancel the reload animation by dashing or using special right after you hit reload
aphrodite or artemis on special
aim for clockets hammers
tight basin
shackles
shackle isn't that great unless it's a specific situation in a speedrun or at high heat, but even high heat would rather have something else to leave the keepsake open
weak hedge
I've been using Aphrodite as my attack, but I've been meaning to give Tidal Dash a try (I have a hard time giving up Athena Dash). Artemis Attack is tempting for the crits
valid dagger
You can try it, it doesn't feel as great as it sounds
It's inconsistent and struggles to hit some breakpoints
tight basin
arty atk either does too little damage or way too much
plain river
What's the best boons for Hestia build? I like turning my railgun into a shotgun...
Spreadfire is kinda only good on aspect of zagreus rail
valid dagger
Unless you have a lot of scaling from somewhere else it's usually not worth it
tight basin
unless you get like at least 2 chaos atk/lunge boons, arty atk isn't really worth taking
fringe jacinth
Nah, her Call is pretty good.
Imo only her greater call is any good
plain river
Her small call is decent enough defensively
stiff stone
One of my fav synergy is the Aphro call with the Smoldering Air duo
Getting Asterius to kill Theseus is the most satisfying thing ever
summer mesa
Neither concetrated volley nor piercing volley should matter when using zeus special on chiron right?
I don't see the damage they add coming close to lightning damage.
tight basin
well considering zeus special on chiron only has 1 bolt because of internal cooldowns, piercing might be better for general aoe
but if you want more single target damage, conc volley is just gonna be more dps in general
summer mesa
Enemies die too fast for me to verify, but I definitely saw lightning trigger multiple times in quick succession on bosses.
tight basin
well it's like 1 or 2 bolts
but there is definitely an internal cooldown
per volley
tight basin
low tolerance
summer mesa
definitely low tolerance
pine scaffold
ok
tight basin
calc risk isn't doing anything for dps
plain river
Neither concetrated volley nor piercing volley should matter when using zeus spe...
Concentrated is always good
tight basin
and sure strong drink is nice but it's negligible compared to low tolerance
pine scaffold
alr
plain river
Enemies die too fast for me to verify, but I definitely saw lightning trigger mu...
At most it’s hitting twice thanks to zeus internal cooldowns
plain river
At most it’s hitting twice thanks to zeus internal cooldowns
Maybe more if double strike
summer mesa
Yeah conentrated is better, I forgot I had chaos on special too.
plain river
What level is your chiron
summer mesa
max
plain river
max
Concentrated volley is more then doubling the base damage of your special at that point
Super worth it
Even more worth it if you hit relentless volley or epic swift flourish
summer mesa
Speaking of hermes, rush delivery does increase lightning dmg right?
Not just damage directly applied by attacks
plain river
Speaking of hermes, rush delivery does increase lightning dmg right?
Not just da...
It’s global
Affects all zags damage that isn’t companions or traps
so yes
summer mesa
It’s global
How does it interact with stuff like sweet surrender, strong drink, and that ares dd boon, they're also global buffs if the wording is consistent on them.
plain river
How does it interact with stuff like sweet surrender, strong drink, and that are...
It’s all additive like everything else
except sweet surrender will apply to companions and traps because it’s specifically the damage that enemy takes iirc
summer mesa
thanks
plain river
except sweet surrender will apply to companions and traps because it’s specifica...
Still additive
But it’s not global in the same way
summer mesa
I got a third hermes and i'm offered a purple greater haste and 30% special speed. I already have purple rush delivery.
I'm torn between the two
proper furnace
Chiron right?
summer mesa
yes
proper furnace
Purple swift volley allows stacking concentrated volley effect through specials
Wont be amazing due zeus special but is still a lot of base dmg
plain river
You did take concentrated right?
summer mesa
Yes
But greater haste is a straight damage boost that isn't handicapped by the lightning cooldown.
So it's better no?
I feel like this requires some number crunching
proper furnace
How many zeus boons you have
Chances are you are probably out dps with just the arrows if you take swift flourish
tight basin
And do you have splitting or double strike
lucid oar
Do you have hyper sprint
summer mesa
And do you have splitting or double strike
both
summer mesa
Do you have hyper sprint
yes
tight basin
Oh sheet
lucid oar
summer mesa
it's a pretty good run
tight basin
Haste for more speed because funny rd
proper furnace
Yeah haste seems good then
tight basin
Swift flourish still a good pick tho tbh
summer mesa
lmao hyper sprint + greater haste is hilarious to look at
tight basin
May I interest you in the routed eris run
proper furnace
^ routed eris is peak
summer mesa
Oh yeah I think I saw that. The 2 minute speedrun right?
lucid oar
2:48 yeah
summer mesa
surreal
Also, I would assueme the lightning cooldown is per boon right?
Zeus call won't just stop dealing damage while i'm using special
tight basin
Ngl I'm not sure on that one
lucid oar
It’s per boon yeh
plain river
It’s .2s for lightning bolts and .15s for chain lightning but I’m not sure about multiple sources (pretty sure it’s per source though)
summer mesa
Damn, I just can't break the 13 min barrier no matter what, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
plain river
Pause to make decisions
For doors
and try to end as closely as possible to the doors
Take free rooms whenever possible (chaos and midshops)
Turn on forced overtime 2 and extreme measures 2 for speed
try to group enemies up together so you don’t have to take a whole bunch of seperate hits to kill everything
tight basin
Copy meta builds
summer mesa
Hmm, I didn't think about using forced overtime to get enemies to chase me faster.
plain river
Hmm, I didn't think about using forced overtime to get enemies to chase me faste...
It’s mainly for them spawning faster
But it does make them chase you faster and if you’re using a zeus build it lets the enemy provoke Static Discharge faster
summer mesa
til
Is there something in the mirror that can help?
I mostly just keep it purple, except I sometimes switch to stygian blood for specific cast builds.
High confidence and ruthless reflex don't seem to have that much impact.
proper furnace
High confidence yes
It helps with early breakpoints on tart
Ruthless only on gilga
tight basin
dash strikes on beo with no atk boon doesn't one shot unarmored witches without high confidence
doesnt seem like a big deal, but considering that unarmored witches in tart have the longest waves, the time loss adds up
summer mesa
When going for a cast build I don't see reason to use Beowulf over Hera.
Beowulf seems to me like Hera but now you're in the enemy's face.
tight basin
beowulf has greater aoe and damage
it's a bit slower until you get cshot
and also
big dinner plate shield because blocking is busted
summer mesa
So basically it's better for downtime between cast reloads?
summer mesa
Really? Even on the latest patch?
proper furnace
Yup
summer mesa
bruh
fringe jacinth
hey how r u supposed to submit ur hades monthly challenge win the sheet is view only
summer mesa
Artemis attack really doesn't like poms.
fringe jacinth
never pom arty atk
wdym why not?
tight basin
it's super negligible
it's hardly ever worth it
the only time i'd imagine ever pomming it is if the other options are useless
the first one is like 8%, which is already low
and after that it just gets lower
and yeah sure if you pom it enough it'll be a respectable amount, but at the same time there's def other things to pom
but it's also the lowest base % to begin with
you only take deadly strike for the crit chance frankly
compare that to aphrodite attack, where the first pom is about 20%
fringe jacinth
oh okay
weak hedge
Wait, did we just break out the charts for Hades boons? I love it!
tight basin
lmao it's from a bot
red mist
i had a satisfying zeus build but bounces were rare
i had the bow with ricochet on + zeus special + bounce on attack so i could throw a single hit and doom like 10 people but it took me the end to see a common bounce effect and then zeus rewarded me with a legendary version of that bounce next run when it wasn't anywhere as useful what a grumpygod
gentle olive
Hey I gotta ask something so I'm using the bow and used all my titan blood on "Aspect of chiron" What's a good God to pair with this?
tight basin
start dionysus or artemis special, get aphrodite attack
find low tolerance or heart rend, respectively
if you start dio, you'd want to use privileged status. otherwise, family favorites
if you want to do the heart rend build, you'll have to rely a bit on chaos additives and also finding concentrated volley
gentle olive
start dionysus or artemis special, get aphrodite attack
find low tolerance or he...
For my build?
tight basin
best hammer is conc volley > relentless volley > piercing if you're okay with the funky stuff
tight basin
For my build?
yeah
gentle olive
What's a good keepsake to use?
tight basin
most builds revolves around 2 gods and their duo
tight basin
What's a good keepsake to use?
start dio or artemis, depending whatever you want to build
into asphodel, aphrodite
then hourglass/acorn elysium, acorn styx
gentle olive
Don't think I have dio yet
tight basin
you can try for artemis then
oh if you dont have max chiron
what lvl is it actually
cunning urchin
Hey I gotta ask something so I'm using the bow and used all my titan blood on "A...
Chiron Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message
gentle olive
what lvl is it actually
What level is what the bow?
tight basin
chiron yeah
gentle olive
3
cunning urchin
If it's low level Chiron, just do Drunken Flourish. The other builds aren't good at low level.
tight basin
yeah artemis isn't gonna be great unless you start relentless volley, but even then dio would probably be better
gentle olive
Which ones dio?
tight basin
purple wine dude
gentle olive
Ah
tight basin
hangover
oh btw
you want to pour like every pom you can get into it
and dont take other hangover sources, because it overrides itself
gentle olive
Pom?
gentle olive
Ah
tight basin
you want to avoid dionysus call, dash, attack, and peer pressure btw
gentle olive
Also do I wanna keep ambrosia?
tight basin
how many do you have
gentle olive
2
tight basin
considering you're pretty early in the game, they dont have much of a use
but later on you'll need them, but you'll also get plenty more
if you want to trade one or both of them into titan blood you can if you want
i would use only 1 personally, but up to you
gentle olive
Gotcha
raw shuttle
been trying to find the dps breakdown for each weapon on each boon, anyone have a chart or excel?
plain river
been trying to find the dps breakdown for each weapon on each boon, anyone have ...
I doubt you’ll find one
raw shuttle
:( Too complicated of a list huh
plain river
Dps meter mods are a thing but you don’t really need a precise dps check to figure out what’s good on what weapon
raw shuttle
I googled it and tried it on YT but they mostly have a boon by boon breakdown but not for weapons
Probably too much work to congregate, people only do it by weapon only
I just wanted to see the math
plain river
I googled it and tried it on YT but they mostly have a boon by boon breakdown bu...
Boon by boons would be dependent on the aspect of each weapon for the most part
Plus it’d be hard to calculate actual dps
since I don’t think anyone has the numbers for how long a dash strike takes
or how long a standing strike takes
raw shuttle
Not DPS per SE, just overall damage
plain river
on which aspect* tbh
raw shuttle
Does Chain lightning hit for each arrow on special, that kind of thing
I think it doesn't
Iirc
plain river
Does Chain lightning hit for each arrow on special, that kind of thing
On special? Special is lightning bolts, and they have an internal cooldown per enemy
So even if you hit someone with every arrow of the special you’re only getting 1 or 2 bolts off thanks to the 0.2 second internal cooldown of lightning bolts
But that’s also per enemy
So if your special hits multiple enemies they’ll get hit with a bolt each
Does that make sense?
But basically if it hits fast and has low base damage you want a flat damage source on it (hangover from dionysus, lightning from zeus, doom from ares), and if it’s got a slower chunkier hit you want a big +% on it, aphrodite is typically the best for +% but athena and demeter work as well, artemis does too but she’s a bit too inconsistent on most weapons
Poseidon isn’t really good for +% since knocking enemies away off your attack or special makes it harder to follow up in most cases
edgy depot
any guan yu builds?
plain river
Beowulf is kinda broken
cunning urchin
any guan yu builds?
Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message
plain river
Most of the time for beo you want to focus on the cast part
they’re all changed to flares on beowulf
So a few operate differently
The standout options are
flood flare (good damage and aoe)-> deadly strike -> mirage shot
or passion flare
lucid oar
You also always want to pom your flare to like level 6
edgy depot
thanks again
lucid oar
Flood flare does 160 damage at level 6 compared to 60 at level 1
Casts in general have insane pom scaling compared to other boons
cunning urchin
plain river
You also always want to pom your flare to like level 6
Except like frost flare because frost flare is frost flare
cunning urchin
edgy depot
damn bro got guides for all occasions thanks alot
cunning urchin
Sis if anything.
plain river
Sis if anything. <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Talos speedrunning guide where sis
cunning urchin
Talos speedrunning guide where sis
plain river
Wait
Sis ≈ Sisyphus
Nyaanyaa = Sis
Nyaanyaa = Sisyphus
cunning urchin
Good Talos guide.
lucid oar
Icy flare doesnt exist
cunning urchin
Tells you everything you need to know to be successful if you want to speedrun Talos.
plain river
Chiron speedrunning guide
plain river
Nyaanyaa make a speedrun guide for each individual aspect 
lucid oar
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/...
Dang this is outdated lol
cunning urchin
Ngl I didn't even look at it lol.
Should be good enough for newer players though, I would think.
lucid oar
Yeah
A lot of mechanical stuff has changed tho
It says you should pick up your casts in between waves but often it is more valuable to spawn manip then pick up casts
still vortex
Do we like ice wine with beowulf? Seems to have a delayed cast
still vortex
I thought trippy flare good no? Should I be going stygian or no?
tight basin
just get good rng duh
yes stygian
find more casts from chaos if you're lucky enough
plain river
I thought trippy flare good no? Should I be going stygian or no?
Trippy flare is like rng reliant and even then still kinda mid
still vortex
What’s a better cast?
tight basin
Trippy flare is like rng reliant and even then still kinda mid
wdym "even then"
if you get the rng it's great
pom bug goes hard
plain river
wdym "even then"
Aoe doesn’t hit the same as flood flare
tight basin
it's like
slightly smaller
idk if it hits through walls or not
but like
if we're assuming rng is favorable
trippy is strong
cobalt wadi
wuts the fiery prescence vs shadow prescence arguement
lucid oar
Fiery presence good for one shotting enemies
Shadow good for bosses
In general for speedruns, fiery is used
plain river
Once you start running dc you might as well switch to shadow
static night
Hi, I'm new, which weapon works the best with demeter? And which of her boons are the best?
I tried shield and it was fun, but I guess the chill effect might work better on faster weapons
plain river
Tbh most aspects don’t go out of their way for demeter but
valid dagger
Hi, I'm new, which weapon works the best with demeter? And which of her boons ar...
Try using Crush Shot Hera, force Demeter in Asphodel and try to get Snow burst and maybe Ravenous will and Killing Freeze
Same works for Beowulf
plain river
Since she is +% she goes better on the bigger chunkier hits if you want her on strike or flourish
valid dagger
Yea most stuff that likes Aphro on Atk or Special can probably do just aswell with an Epic Dem
static night
Well, I'm just really, really new so I am still figuring out some stuff, so thank you for helping!
plain river
In my experience spreadfire zag rail attacks fast enough for you to get max stacks on an enemy fast enough while also making use of the +%
static night
Oh, I should probably unlock that weapon soon, getting 8 keys is kinda hard though
plain river
Getting Adamant rail will let you unlock aspects so it’s a good idea
static night
Well, I will probably figure out everything by myself eventually, but thank you again!
earnest hatch
Guys what's the strongest build in the game according to you
Curious of what a general consensus is
I saw a Rocket/Cluster bomb Eris rail build and thought it was nuts
plain river
Different aspects go nuts different ways
I wouldn’t say any of them is the best
earnest hatch
Or just ridiculously powerful
I think Rama is absolutely wild with the right hammers but
People are saying Chiron is better
plain river
Beowulf with flood flare -> mirage shot
Any melee aspect with Merciful end and divine dash
Clockets for rails
valid dagger
Rama is way ahead of Chiron
valid dagger
Chiron is just easier to play and get good results with early on
But as you progress it falls off
plain river
Chiron good casually but falls off
earnest hatch
I wanna try the clocket build real bad if I can get it to work
What's the best special for it? Aphro/Artemis I'm assuming
plain river
What's the best special for it? Aphro/Artemis I'm assuming
Yeah
Artemis if it’s eris because the extra +% goes farther
Otherwise aphrodite
valid dagger
Beo is a fun one to try
valid dagger
Kinda nice to rely on 1 hammer only
plain river
beowulf is bugged in good ways
earnest hatch
I really despise Beowulf so much I've never been able to get it to work well
valid dagger
Watch a run
plain river
valid dagger
A big thing to improve how the weapon feels is dash striking to start the bullrushes
plain river
People are saying Chiron is better
Where were people saying that?
valid dagger
Instead of standing strikes
earnest hatch
Where were people saying that?
yt
plain river
Ah
I don’t watch any Hades youtube except for speedrunners and high heat
earnest hatch
Same for the most part
I'm just doing higher heats now 30+ (not that high but yk its hard for me :) ) and was curious on good builds
plain river
I'm just doing higher heats now 30+ (not that high but yk its hard for me :) ) a...
It really depends on the aspect
earnest hatch
Merciful end has uh. Just been very kind to me so I've been using that but was looking into other options
valid dagger
Beo Hera Eris Hestia Rama all shine at this point
plain river
Merciful End is viable on literally every melee weapon but it’s also kinda ew
valid dagger
Just pick one and go
earnest hatch
Hestia?
plain river
Beo Hera Eris Hestia Rama all shine at this point
Zeus as well
earnest hatch
Oh is that the reload and shoot once for huge damage gun
plain river
yes