#h1-discussion

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patent mesa
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not worth trying for

mint coral
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artemis attack is great tho, you mostly want chaos cast dmg or +1 casts

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and check charon wells too

lean timber
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chaos my muse

patent mesa
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isn't poseidon best attack for hera

mint coral
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more like i wanna use my dash strikes bonus dmg from chaos too bouldy

warm nimbus
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best cast on hera is aphro for 2 reasons:

  1. it has high base damage and good pom scaling
  2. the casts dont go flying away if you miss unlike every other cast lol
lean timber
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dash strike bonus from chaos??!

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i have never intentionally taken a dash strike bonus except in a few bow runs

mint coral
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bruh

patent mesa
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they're good for bows and swords

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and spears and guns

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lol

mint coral
lean timber
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i enjoy being a part of this server.

warm nimbus
patent mesa
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que

warm nimbus
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only good on hestia and sf zag rail

patent mesa
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eris likes dstriking too

warm nimbus
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yeah but dstrike boons suck on it

tall holly
mint coral
patent mesa
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oh duh you're right

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lol

tall holly
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i dont use dash strike on rail

lean timber
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yaay pelleds borzoi_reaction

mint coral
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lucifer dash strike bonus are the best

rustic vale
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Uh

patent mesa
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lucy hunter dash is so broken it was removed

rustic vale
tall holly
mint coral
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im joking

rustic vale
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luci can’t dash strike

lean timber
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no way that what i'm thinking is right

warm nimbus
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its a joke

mint coral
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luci cant get hunter dash nor chaos lunge boons

tall holly
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if only

warm nimbus
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luci cant dash strike lmao

tall holly
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i dont use rail often so idk lol

lean timber
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so. lucy couldn't have a higher dash strike buff and start ramping faster getting massive exponential damage

rustic vale
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Uh

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Y’know lucy is additive right?

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Not exponential

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like the way it ramps up

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iirc

warm nimbus
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its dps scales linearly i think yeah

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which makes its total damage scale quadratically

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bc calculus

rustic vale
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But basically

rustic vale
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That’s not what would happen me thinks

tall holly
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i have absolutely no idea what the hell's going on rn lmao

rustic vale
mint coral
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same bouldy

high island
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That's not really the problem tbh. The problem is that 4 arrows just do like no base damage, and getting a bunch of % bonus on 0 damage is still 0 damage. squirtooh

rustic vale
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Hehe

high island
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That's a Lv.5 Chiron, not a Lv.1 Chiron. dusa

rustic vale
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So

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4 more 0 damage arrows really coming in clutch?

high island
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No no. At Lv.4, the base damage is 80. But at Lv.1, the base damage is 0. dusa

rustic vale
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🤔

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Makes sense to me

cloud juniper
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So I’m on right now, I upgraded Chiron to level 3, could I do a build right now with it?

high island
rustic vale
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You could probably do a dionysyus build with that many arrows

cloud juniper
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Ok

rustic vale
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although

high island
cloud juniper
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Ok bout to try it out

high island
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Pom Drunken Flourish a lot.

cloud juniper
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Ok

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Hammers?

high island
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Avoid opening up any Duo Boons that aren't Low Tolerance until you have it.

cloud juniper
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What hammers work best with it?

rustic vale
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Relentless and concentrated volley

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uh

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Trying to figure out which one would go first for level 3

lean timber
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when i ran merciful end with it i found that piercing volley was quite helpful but that's only with doom i think

cloud juniper
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Piercing volley, is that good?

rustic vale
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Piercijg volley kinda cringe

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Since it reduces the range on special iirc

mint coral
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decreases the range of your special iirc

lean timber
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it improves the special at least

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huh?????

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i did not know that

rustic vale
lean timber
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i am now upsetti. but it didn't seem to affect my playthrough

latent moon
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piercing volley isn't bad, it can be a bit funky because it reduces your range and there's a certain mid-distance or something where it doesn't hit great iirc but it's great against theseus

cloud juniper
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Ok

rustic vale
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anyways that’s why i avoid piercing volley like the plague

cloud juniper
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What about chain shot

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Or flurry shot?

rustic vale
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Chain shot isn’t really ever good

cloud juniper
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Those are my three options rn

lean timber
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chain shot makes chiron a headache kind of

latent moon
rustic vale
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Flurry shot

high island
lean timber
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flurry and piercing are your options essentially

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up to you

rustic vale
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Flurry shot is convient for proking the special

high island
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Piercing Volley is fine.

rustic vale
lean timber
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personally i'd take piercing cuz i hate flurry

rustic vale
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I’d take flurry cuz I hate piercing

high island
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Piercing Volley is pretty good.

rustic vale
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I just don’t like the reduced special range

latent moon
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it's not even by that much is it

rustic vale
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It always always comes up if I have it

mint coral
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i dont have opinions on piercing tbh

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i always find better options

lean timber
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it must not be a whole lot because not once did i notice anything was different all the times i took it

rustic vale
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I noticed it whenever I had it

latent moon
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like sure it reduces your range but hitting through shields and hitting multiple targets is a pretty good trade off imo

rustic vale
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I just don’t like it doing that to my special personally

high island
lean timber
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i think someone else said it as well which kind of shocked me cuz yeah, i never knew that or would have guessed

rustic vale
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I mean

lean timber
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trade offs in this game generally feel icky

rustic vale
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I swear it’s real

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I can’t prove it

latent moon
rustic vale
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I don’t have video evidence or anying

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But whenever I use it it just

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Hghhh

mint coral
high island
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People were swearing for forever that Relentless Volley increases your Special recovery frames, and it's the exact same number of frames. squirtnya

mint coral
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Angel has also speak of it here

high island
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m not in the speedrun server.

mint coral
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oop squirtnya

rustic vale
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Smh

high island
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Did they post a video showing the difference or something?

mint coral
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nope, which ig is what you want dusa

lean timber
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oh well

mint coral
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but yeah i doubt it matter as much

high island
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I mean yeah, if there's no evidence, there's no evidence.

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Not saying it doesn't reduce the range, but hearsay isn't much evidence.

rustic vale
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Hearsay is the best evidence

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/j

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Source: I said so

lean timber
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"it was revealed to me in a prophetic dream"

high island
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I wasn't listening.

lean timber
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how circumspect

rustic vale
high island
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Calls it piercing special but it's actually called Piercing Volley.

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Unreliable witness.

rustic vale
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I witnessed something?

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oh yeah

mint coral
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Best way to test is prob codex mod but at the same time thag has unexpected results sometimes lol bouldy

rustic vale
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piercing volley killing my special

lean timber
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"minor grammatical error, i win"

high island
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I've seen too many myths created because of that mod lol.

rustic vale
lean timber
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"myths" [speaks facts]

rustic vale
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Hoarding slash not being affected by your +% makes it so much worse than it looks

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it already looks horrible anyways

high island
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It's great for max Obol WR runs.

mint coral
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i wonder why

high island
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The one WR Haelian still holds.

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At least to my knowledge.

manic bobcat
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I heard that if you take hazard bomb on eris you do double bonus damage because of how the coding works.

cloud juniper
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Well I just beat Hades with Chiron! I had Aphro attack, Dio on the special/cast, Zeus on the dash, and Posiedon on the goals. Had static discharge, splitting bolt, relentless volley, etc.

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It was fun to use.

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I will say, but I was low health the whole time and somehow didn’t die more often

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I only used 1 DD then went to Patroclus to fill it back up to 3, and only had to use 2 vs Hades.

woven widget
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hello chat

hearty bramble
hearty bramble
high island
woven widget
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i have joined because i believe i have fully beaten hades... or at least its main story line

cloud juniper
hearty bramble
rustic vale
cloud juniper
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I was scared I was gonna screw up but that didn’t happen. I’m also on a 5 escape win streak, so yeah

woven widget
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im pretty moderate about it tbh

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i was thinking ||some cool ass cutscene was gonna take place where we actually get to see the Olympian God's, fully model'd n stuff, but you can't have everything||

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thanks enter button

hearty bramble
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but i love so much abt the game i cant mind too much haha

woven widget
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i mean considering i've got almost 100 hours already and p much avoided the community like a plague

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just so i dont spoil myself

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got some cool screenshots tho now

hearty bramble
woven widget
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of course

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i was also hoping they were gonna put out some more content or dlc but alas

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was wondering for something like a viking-themed dlc but eh

hearty bramble
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viking?? 😳

rustic vale
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Uh

woven widget
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huh

rustic vale
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Don’t hope for dlc

woven widget
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oh ok

rustic vale
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They working on other games now

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I think

hearty bramble
manic bobcat
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they are working on a f2p mobile game last i heard

hearty bramble
cloud juniper
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That’s so stupid that they work on other games and don’t expand on a game like Hades that’s so so good!

woven widget
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they are a small team

hearty bramble
woven widget
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afaik

rustic vale
mint coral
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they been like this for all 4 games

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you just want more of the world but nope :p

manic bobcat
hearty bramble
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genshin mention?? in MY sgg server???

warm nimbus
rustic vale
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“SGG should work on Genshin”
-foxhope

manic bobcat
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I said what I said

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-FoxHope

rustic vale
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Anyways

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“Taking things out of context is…”
-Me

lean timber
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eris hazard bomb is peak gaming VineBoom

rustic vale
lean timber
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OHBYEAH

hearty bramble
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do you really think shackle is the best keepsake @rustic vale

warm nimbus
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hazard bomb isnt actually bad on eris tbf

lean timber
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YEEEAAAAHHH

mint coral
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hazard delta is peak eris

rustic vale
lean timber
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you may not like it but this is peak performance

manic bobcat
rustic vale
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shackle good because boon bad

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Why have boons when have shackle

hearty bramble
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i mean like aphro boons can give you over 100% bonus dmg, plus status effect, for priv status

woven widget
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i always dissed shackle as a worthless item at the start

rustic vale
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I’ve done shackle gaming to push heat

manic bobcat
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can shackle give me butterflies in my stomach the same way Artemis gives me when I see her?

woven widget
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now its probably quite good for tart

rustic vale
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anyhow

mint coral
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shackle good when you rather play than reset for an attack at high heats where is hard to get (aka approval process 2 and routine inspection messing with the rarity)

rustic vale
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It gives butterfly in brain

hearty bramble
rustic vale
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Much better location

manic bobcat
mint coral
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good thinking

hearty bramble
mint coral
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i did modded 50 heat just to avoid resetting for attack boon + hammer lol

woven widget
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this game has modding?

mint coral
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ik i could just try another weapon that doesnt mind it but i love zag shield

cloud juniper
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I’ve only gotten as far as 11 heat complete!

lean timber
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tbh 32 isn't that bad. it only gets really bad around 55+

hearty bramble
mint coral
manic bobcat
mint coral
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there is also the funny aspect fusion mod

cloud juniper
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There’s supposed to be more mods I think

mint coral
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where chaos special is good cuz you use zeus shield special instead

cloud juniper
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I read an article on that like a few weeks ago.

manic bobcat
hearty bramble
woven widget
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oh no

cloud juniper
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Lmaooooo

mint coral
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lmao thats amazing

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there is also one that replaces certain animations to steve

hearty bramble
manic bobcat
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Lerneus isn't real, he can't hurt you.

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Lerneus:

mint coral
hearty bramble
mint coral
lean timber
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oh my God steve fishing in hades

hearty bramble
lean timber
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please

mint coral
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is just the walking animations iirc

lean timber
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:((

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only zag looks fun

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uncanny valley moment

mint coral
hearty bramble
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i shoujld try it honestly

hearty bramble
manic bobcat
hearty bramble
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so he just? transforms into zag when u attack??

lean timber
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i love characters being in places where they are not supposed to be

mint coral
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ye

hearty bramble
manic bobcat
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look at jesus over here

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that was like 5s

lean timber
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i believe Jesus took significantly longer

hearty bramble
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im in the underworld, zag looks great

manic bobcat
lean timber
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"we can rebuild him"

cloud juniper
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Oh is Lucifer any good??

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I used that like once and it didn’t go great

mint coral
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its good yeah

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just that eris/hestia heavily outclass it

manic bobcat
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you need to learn how to dash while holding down the attack button

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that's about it

cloud juniper
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Yeah I’d assume so.

manic bobcat
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you can rebind attack to trigger on controller tbh

cloud juniper
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Yeah. I binded my attack to Right trigger and dash to A

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Special is on LT

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Call on X

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Companion on Y

lean timber
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interesting at the very least

cloud juniper
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Cast on Lb

mint coral
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companion on face button gamer

lean timber
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summon trigger gang

cloud juniper
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I have a Xbox controller my guy.

mint coral
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my binds change a bit depending on the weapon

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but for most is almost the same as default except swap companion and special

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wait are you using reload on default bind

cloud juniper
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It’s Right stick for me

mint coral
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cursed

cloud juniper
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So I think so

lean timber
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back when i had to gift nectar and ambrosia to people i would swap out the reload button for the gift button and just remove the gift button if i wanted to do a rail run

mint coral
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sir just swap codex and reload

cloud juniper
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That’s B for me

lean timber
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...

mint coral
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codex doesnt have the rights to go over a trigger bouldy

lean timber
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uh

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codex is select for me

cloud juniper
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If I put B on my reload that means I gotta move my thumb off of my dash button to reload the rail gun.

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So there’s that!

mint coral
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idk why i do that if they play the same

lean timber
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your scheme hurts me but i'm also a big fan of needless complication so i accept that

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switch controller? oh u probably have a pro

mint coral
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on pos sword i put attack on A, cast on y, special on lt

lean timber
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i use joycons cuz i only play handheld 😄

mint coral
cloud juniper
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I try and isolate my dash cuz it’s the most used button in the game so I put my attack/spec on trigs and went from there.

lean timber
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joycon gaaaang

mint coral
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drift has cost me a few megs bouldy

lean timber
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drift sucks i haven't experienced it yet but i also take care of my things meticulously

mint coral
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my joycons started drifting while playing animal crossing dusa

lean timber
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except one time that i was playing smash online and i whipped it at the wall but that's behind us now 😄

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animal crossing is cool

cloud juniper
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Oh wow!

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That sounds fun!

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I wish I had a switch

lean timber
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patience is not my strong suit

cloud juniper
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I used to have the infamous Wii consoles

mint coral
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anyways i also dont play on pro controller cuz im too lazy to connect the dock

cloud juniper
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And the DS’s

lean timber
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i love my wii. still have mine

mint coral
cloud juniper
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Best game is Super Sluggers

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On the Wii

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Wii Sports is 2 for me

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I liked the Smash Bros for the Wii too.

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Mario Kart is obviously on there

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As far as my list goes.

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And then Super Mario Bros is a classic

manic bobcat
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i heard that they are makign Hades port for gameboy advance

short glen
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I heard they're porting Hades to the virtual boy

static flame
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what is the best weapon

finite geyser
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Just killed hades for the third time feel good

finite geyser
static flame
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mostly close range and fast

finite geyser
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Fast or slow?

static flame
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fast but im asking u

finite geyser
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Like it's hard to know care to show me a clip or explain with a bit more detail?

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But rn in my opinion it's either fists or shield if you want all close attacks use fists and if you want to mix it a bit use shield

static flame
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what about the spear

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is it good

finite geyser
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Yeah

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It's mid to long range

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With its special you can throw the spear and then bring it back

static flame
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o nice

dry acorn
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I like the spear best but then again I've only made it to the bull

static flame
finite geyser
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@static flame try all of the weapons on skelly and see which one you like

dry acorn
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nope, just minotaur

static flame
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._.

finite geyser
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Yeah so you fought him as a mini boss

static flame
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oh yeah

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which weapon

finite geyser
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Wym?

static flame
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which weapon are you using

finite geyser
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They said they were using the spear

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Which is good

dry acorn
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fists kinda garbo

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should've saved my keys

finite geyser
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They aren't really bad you aren't using the right aspect or just bad with them

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The right aspect is the one that makes you pull enemies closer to you

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With your special

mint coral
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Nah they are bad

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You still want them unlocked for unlocking aspects anyways

finite geyser
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Not with me I killed hades twice with them

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:)

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The second time I only died once against him

mint coral
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I akso killed him with fists

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Still bad tho

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(just to specify im thinking speedrun/high heat most of the time)

finite geyser
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Cool cool

mint coral
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For casual use what you have fun with

finite geyser
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Well ima go off

signal aspen
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talos best fists

dry acorn
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I need to use my cast and special more

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I've been mostly using just attack

cloud juniper
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Yeah using both of those will enhance your gameplay. Depending on the cast/special you get it can synergize well with the attack paving the way for ridiculous duos.

rustic vale
cloud juniper
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That’s insane

rustic vale
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I’ve been trying all the insane things now anyways

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Pushing heat with dumb builds like shackle hestia or pos talos

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it’s fun

latent moon
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I was gonna suggest you do hunting blades beo but slicing flare isnt compatible for hunting blades lol

cloud juniper
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Slicing shot is compatible with Beo though

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Now It’s not good, I’ll say that

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On that particular aspect

gray apex
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It's a flare

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Which is different

signal aspen
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same thing tbh

cloud juniper
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In the game it says slicing shot I think which is why I mentioned it. But if it’s flare then thanks for telling me that.

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The flare is to pretty bad on beo though.

rustic vale
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Uh

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All beo casts are flares

cloud juniper
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Ohhh!

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I didn’t know that!

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Thanks for that

rustic vale
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Beo works differently from normal casts due to that

gray apex
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It says Slicing Flare lol

cloud juniper
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Still Slicing Flare is still not good on Beo.

cloud juniper
rustic vale
cloud juniper
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Yeah I got that message yesterday night

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I also got the message of the Dio double damage bug. I find that to be ridiculously insane.

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That’s so Op

gray apex
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Which one

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Oh the poms

cloud juniper
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Yeah

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Like how it goes from 100-220

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Instead of 160

rustic vale
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it’s high roll

cloud juniper
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?

rustic vale
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Generally a lot of things have to line up for it to work out since if you’re using trippy flare you’ll be using stygian soul

cloud juniper
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Ok

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I use the other cast one for Beo

rustic vale
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So you’ll be wanting to see extra casts from chaos, poms on your trippy flare, and hopefully pick ip mirage shot

cloud juniper
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Ok

rustic vale
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You use stygian

cloud juniper
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The infernal soul I think it was it’s called

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No Infernal soul

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Or whatever it is called

rustic vale
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because otherwise your cast doesn’t come back

cloud juniper
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Yeah that’s true! I have to manually pick them up with infernal soul activated

rustic vale
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no

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On trippy flare

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The casts stay in the trippy flare

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so you run stygian soul

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to get your casts back without having to wait for the fog to lift

cloud juniper
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Ohhh ok

rustic vale
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Hence wanting more casts from chaos

cloud juniper
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So I should use Stygian Soul for beo then

rustic vale
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only for trippy flare

cloud juniper
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Hmm ok good to know.

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And then could I get that Artemis legendary with Styg soul for Trippy Flare then as well!

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I know that’s like insanely hard to get though

rustic vale
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rngesus decreed that no one shall get it while running cast builds

cloud juniper
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Why’s that?

rustic vale
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Uh

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Probs just bad luck tbh

cloud juniper
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Yeah fully loaded is just hard to get

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And when you get it, it’s at the end of the run

rustic vale
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well thats when you’ll need it anyways

cloud juniper
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Yeah.

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I’ll try and do a Beo run with Styg soul to see how it goes

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With Trippy Flare obviously

mint coral
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Beo has it hard to get artemis legendary cuz you reduce your 3 requisites to 2

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Due to no exit wound

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And trippy beo already wants a lot of other things too

umbral parrot
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i just use flood flare mirage shot

rustic vale
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That’s generally how beo plays when not doing the funny boss health bar remover

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Do you run ps on flood beo?

signal aspen
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No

rustic vale
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And is flood flare rarity imporant at all?

signal aspen
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Ni

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No

rustic vale
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thanks

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Chamber 2 has purple razor shoals my beloved

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Also 2 pos rooms in a row off run start shadesmile

acoustic bolt
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i'm in the temple of styx and i have zeus, ares, artemis already

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in the temple there's aphrodite, athena, and dio

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what would cause this behavior. i'm using the artemis keepsake

warm nimbus
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the fact that you only picked up 3 main gods throughout the run

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if you do that multiple new ones can appear in styx

mint coral
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Did you take artemis for styx or carried it from before

acoustic bolt
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i took artemis because i wanted to maximize my chance at finding lightning rod of course

acoustic bolt
mint coral
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No i mean did you take her keeosake in styx?

acoustic bolt
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yeah

mint coral
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Weird

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It still should have tried to force one in the door

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Even with no full god pool

acoustic bolt
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there is one in the door

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i just didn't mention it because i didn't think it was weird behavior

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sorry

mint coral
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Ah is fine

acoustic bolt
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ok i'll try to take 4 gods next time lol

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chaos shield, zeus special, some blade rift buffs, double strike, splitting bolt, hunting blades

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just need that lightning rod

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oh and thunder dash

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oh man do i take rare pressure points or reroll for lightning rod

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i have so many sources of damage

mint coral
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pp alone is nothing to care much tbh

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unless you have hunter's mark

acoustic bolt
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i do not

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in fact there's an epic hunter's mark here

mint coral
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lol

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wait what is your crit source? attack?

acoustic bolt
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i don't have one

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oh

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art call

mint coral
#

probably roll for rod bouldy

acoustic bolt
#

hell yeah got there

glossy turret
#

Don’t know if this is the place to ask but does anyone know where to find a queer space for the Hades community? Like a Discord server or something

acoustic bolt
#

Might have better luck asking on reddit since there is so many more people

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Nobody here struck me as lgbtqia unfriendly but I realize that's not what you're asking

inland fractal
#

What do you guys think is the most fun build. I personally like Zoos spam

patent mesa
inland fractal
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Enemies go boom?

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Thanks

mint coral
warm nimbus
inland fractal
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Agreed, Hera was my first aspect

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And Beowulf is very cool

brisk trail
inland fractal
#

Some guy who fought another guy. Should I use aspect of Zagreus or Lucifer for the super soaker?

brisk trail
#

Lucifer always

cloud juniper
#

So for Hera, what’s a good build? And do I use Styg soul or Infernal, more leaning towards Stygian if I’m being honest.

mint coral
#

Aphro cast + snow burst, always pom cast and grab any cast dmg boons from chaos or +1 casts, check charon wells for braid of atlas and +1 cast again

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From hermes quick reload is great and cant go wrong with hyper sprint + rush delivery

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Also you go infernal

cloud juniper
#

Ok

latent moon
#

apparently if you take an attack curse from chaos with beowulf it hits you twice when bull rushing lol

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once from the charge and another when it lands

lean timber
#

that 10% coming in clutch 🙌

latent moon
#

tmw when you switch windows and then the game crashes and resets the save all the way back to the house

signal aspen
#

No it doesnt

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It hits you when you attack and then when you bullrush

rustic vale
#

charging your bullrush starts with an attack

signal aspen
#

I thought they meant from just the bullrush

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"and another when it lands"

latent moon
#

Ah yeah that's what I meant

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Fought the champs with that curse lol

rustic vale
lean timber
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with beo tho

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so i doubt it cost more than 50hp

rustic vale
lean timber
#

see too many gamers make the wrong choice

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out of those two options i would simply pick the stronger one

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idk why ppl don't just do that

latent moon
#

didn't have acorn, common flood flare

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but it was like lvl 9 or so

lean timber
#

yikers

latent moon
#

it's okay the run didn't get saved anyways because hades crashed lol

lean timber
#

does strong drink increase the chance of fountain rooms? i definitely hit more fountain rooms with it active... maybe just dumb luck?

latent moon
#

i think dumb luck

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but hey more bonuses lol

patent mesa
#

no change to fountain rng

lean timber
#

damn i'm just good i guess

#

skillful gameplay

subtle zinc
#

Now I'm surprised at myself, I somehow managed to get to the hydra on my first try

high island
acoustic bolt
#

i'm on a chaos shield run and both splitting headache and curse of nausea came up

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i want both eventually but which do i take first

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dio special

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i'm going to assume nausea is better

high island
acoustic bolt
#

awesome thanks 😄 i never did find the other one lol

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i won though personal best

old burrow
#

is there a way to see the damage breakdown of different boons?

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hammers, weapon aspects, etc

surreal vector
# old burrow hammers, weapon aspects, etc

do you mean in game? i think it's just the codex for boons and then skelly to test base damages for aspects (i think wiki list base damages for weapons). Would be cool if there were stats like that tho

rustic vale
#

looking at different gods in the codex will show you what a given boon will give you at common rarity

rustic vale
#

Hope that helps

old burrow
#

aw having and end of run screen with damage numbers for each boon would be hella cool

rustic vale
#

Damage numbers for each boon like how much each contributed?

old burrow
#

yeah exactly

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so i could see how much my tidal dash did this run, compared to last one

rustic vale
#

Perhaps there is a mod for that

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Idk

surreal vector
#

also in the admin chambers e.g. max damage, avg damage etc might be sorta interesting... not how cluttered it would get though and pie charts and stuff might be going to far : )

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i was wondering if the dodge chance question of it being multiplicative or additive was ever settled for sure. looks like additive and seems that way and there was a vid i believe of someone with dodge that added up past 100 not getting hit many times in a row. but i saw some discussions, not toooo recent tho, and some were saying that it might be some combination rather than strictly add vs multi. add seems the more likely if it is one or the other

signal aspen
#

its additive

rustic vale
#

It’s addititive

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Does anyone have any really dumb spear builds that aren’t actively throwing a run

signal aspen
#

massive quick spin on achilles

surreal vector
#

cool, it did seem so and most ppl did say it was. good to know for sure

rustic vale
#

Discussions where?

surreal vector
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in reddit iirc, but just random posts in threads. that was googling also

rustic vale
#

bouldy reddit is an atrocious source for info

rustic vale
surreal vector
#

yes that's very true : D

cloud juniper
#

What’s a good build for Lucifer, right now I have Ares on the attack, Dio on my special and Artemis on my call! This is my second time using the weapon and my goal is to check off the prophecy that wants you to reach the surface with exograph. So that’s why I’m doing it, any build suggestions or ways to make my current build better.

signal aspen
#

you usually want zeus on attack, a big % damage boon on special, and poseidon dash

rustic vale
#

poseidon attack and zeus anything else and go for the sea storm duo and eternal chamber hammer

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Ares on attack only really works if you also get dire misfortune

cloud lichen
#

I can't kill Hades 👺

rustic vale
#

just get better shadesmile

lean timber
#

skill issue

rustic vale
#

My advice is very helpful

mint coral
#

Keep your hp above 0 while making his hp 0

lean timber
#

real

dry acorn
#

I can't kill numbskull

mint coral
#

Gilga dash strike moment

latent moon
#

Lmfao

spare talon
#

I remember seeing a recommended heat spreadsheet around here but can't seem to find it. Can anyone help me out?

signal aspen
#

this?

spare talon
#

Yeahhhh

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Thank you very much

signal aspen
sage salmon
#

Question to anyone who is reading. I'm curious but what are your guys main weapon to use? For me I like to use the spears. I don't know why but I feel more comfortable using them to fight.

signal aspen
#

i like the shield

lean timber
#

i like bow quite a bit, fists and shield are probably my 2nd favorites

warm nimbus
#

i like the 3 good ones, not so much a fan of the 3 bad ones

lean timber
#

yep.

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i do still have a lot of fun with the others

latent moon
#

I enjoy all except spear lol

sage salmon
#

I see ^__^

#

Any favorite keepsakes that helps you guys?

patent mesa
#

my favorite is the tactical nuke weapon

rustic vale
surreal vector
#

i was under the impression that the tooth triggered after all other defiance and as such appears leftmost in the defiance icons in the bottom left of screen

patent mesa
#

that's right

surreal vector
#

i got stubborn defiance and got athena in tart and so choose up tooth in asphodel (which i rarely do cuz muh athena) so i had tooth - SD. Then i found athena offering and got deathless stand. but the order in the bottom left deathless stand - tooth - stubborn

mint coral
#

Is that in the same chamber you or is still like that in the next chambers

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Tho i've seen people saying there are weird things with tooth and athena dds but idk

surreal vector
#

i've currently got in paused in eurydice as that's i noticed (i think). got a screenshot, on console tho let's see

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i might be missing something really dumb tho

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cant upload in discussion i guess, maybe the victory area

mint coral
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Post in other server then copy img link

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Posting in victory boasting will get deleted

surreal vector
mint coral
#

Thats certsinly weird

lean timber
#

huh. yeah

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that's odd

surreal vector
#

could test but then i lose death defiance : )

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possib ly

gray apex
#

Sometimes it just works

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For whatever reason

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Tooth and Athena DDs are jank

surreal vector
#

game isnt open atm but when i go back, i'll see. prob lose at hydra and see which one but i guess i might just not switch to the acorn for the next level if i keep them

acoustic bolt
#

i know the responses probably seemed unhelpful but it's true. the boss behaves the same as everything else in the game, so you just need to get used to responding to it.

if you haven't noticed that you're invincible while dashing that's really important. you can dash through enemies, projectiles, and dangerous puddles. that's how you avoid attacks if it seems like the boss is lunging at you and you can't move out of the way fast enough.

besides that your next recourse is damage solutions. as far as i can tell there is no boss in the game that requires you kill it quickly, so you don't need a certain amount of damage to kill the hydra, but the more damage you deal the less room for error you need. so figuring out what works for your weapon and builds is important.

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@brisk trail do you have god keepsakes yet? with those you can force powerful combinations early so you're ready for that fight when it comes.

i've been using this guide for builds until you just sort of remember what boons go with what

acoustic bolt
#

i'm on like head 7 with chiron and under 4 on everything else

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heat*

rustic vale
#

Chiron isn’t broken

acoustic bolt
#

you know what ignore what i'm saying though i haven't played high enough difficulties to make good judgmeents on anything

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i'm sure at some point i won't feel safe with chiron at all

rustic vale
#

It’s strong but not broken

acoustic bolt
#

you're right i'm exaggerating a bit

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i didn't mean broken in a problematic way. but it felt the strongest to me so far.

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i also don't have all the aspects

surreal vector
#

Chiron's good (and was/is one my favs) but at high heat or under a lot of time pressure, it seems can be quite difficult at high heat or under a lot of time pressure with heat

acoustic bolt
#

that sounds right

surreal vector
acoustic bolt
#

i think i had the best luck with poseidon chiron builds as far as damage and time pressure. sometimes dio ends up too slow and ares only comes together late unless you find dire misfortune super early

mint coral
#

you havent tried arty?

patent mesa
#

yeah its big weaknesses are that it has no aoe and its special becomes unsafe at FO2

#

very sad

acoustic bolt
#

i just thought arty special was like very low damage

rustic vale
#

Arte flourish and dionysus special are the best options on chiron

mint coral
#

arte special is one of the best

rustic vale
#

Either way you take aphro attack in asphodel

lean timber
#

pretty much

vivid mica
#

is it possible to kill asterius at the mini boss battle

lean timber
#

yes

rustic vale
vivid mica
#

does he still show up in the end elysium fight?

lean timber
#

yes

mint coral
#

yeah

vivid mica
#

is there any reaction zag has?

lean timber
#

with slightly reduced health

mint coral
#

nah

lean timber
#

no. killing him isn't intended

mint coral
#

is not intended that you can kill him

#

is mostly funny dot and winter harvest

#

tho probably a stupid amount of stygian shards can do it

rustic vale
#

And arte special is only low damage in terms of the additive damage it gives but crit chance and other sources of additive make it so much better

vivid mica
#

ok cause i was trying with lucifer special

rustic vale
#

I’ve almost killed asterius post miniboss fight with a late antos drop

mental vale
#

isnt he impervious?

mint coral
#

when he is leaving he stops being impervious

rustic vale
#

Antos 💪💪💪

surreal vector
#

lol right in the back after the truce

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*temp truce

#

wonder what zagreus said in that speech bubble

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oh it was well done, doh didn't read subtitles

#

sigh no it was "got you Asterius", blaming it on the beers is lame

cloud juniper
#

For Lucifer, do you need to worry about deadzone at all?

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It’s exclusively on controller, if you guys are unaware of where it’s found.

patent mesa
#

what's that

rustic vale
#

I play controller and have no knowledge of a “deadzone” unless it’s a term for something I wouldn’t think of it as

#

What do you mean by deadzone

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@cloud juniper

cloud juniper
#

It’s basically the sensitivity on the left stick

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If it feels jittery you raise it.

signal aspen
#

Don't you just leave the deadzone the same for all weapons?

cloud juniper
#

So with Lucifer you use the left stick to aim the gun

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Yeah but in this case, changing it could be beneficial.

rustic vale
#

Don’t you use left stick to aim everything else as well though

cloud juniper
#

Yeah I know!

rustic vale
#

I don’t see the problem

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Wait nvrmind I think I might

signal aspen
#

The controller players I know dont change the deadzone depending on your weapon

rustic vale
#

Ah a quick google search cleared things up

#

Why would you change the deadzone based on aspect

patent mesa
#

how does gun special work on console anyways

#

like how do you aim it

rustic vale
#

Left stick

wide basalt
#

Bro I didn't know hades had a second phased and I almost beat it but my skill issue is immense

rustic vale
#

It starts off at a certain distance from you in the direction you’re facing then you just whirl around the left stick to where you want it to be

rustic vale
#

Just play better

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It’s that easy

#

you just gotta make his hp 0 while keeping yours above 0, super duper easy /s

wide basalt
#

Ikr

patent mesa
#

like can you aim three specials in different locations rapidly

rustic vale
#

With triple bomb?

signal aspen
#

No

rustic vale
#

not really I haven’t particularly tried though

signal aspen
#

Or at least not accurately

patent mesa
#

that sounds awful

#

can you fire them off quickly at least

rustic vale
#

yes

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?

patent mesa
#

lol I'm confused now

#

is it like an actual stick you have to move

rustic vale
#

I'll send you a video but tbf I'm not great when using the special

warm nimbus
#

this is why kbm is better

rustic vale
#

like you can literally just tap the button and fire them off

patent mesa
#

but you can't aim them separately which is awful

rustic vale
#

well no you can't really do that well on controller, I think kbm is better for that type of thing yeah

#

you aren't achieving point at location and click then instantly mouse at other end of screen type speed

acoustic bolt
#

ok guan yu feels so unwieldy

rustic vale
#

don't use the spin unless you have quick charge

acoustic bolt
#

i have quick charge and massive spin

rustic vale
#

what attack?

#

and what about it feels unwieldly

acoustic bolt
#

just all of it feels clunky. it's just a worse hestia

rustic vale
#

that's like saying lucifer is worse chaos shield

acoustic bolt
#

i don't have lucifer yet so i donno

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

it's a slow one shot ranged attack that doesn't feel like it scaled and the regular attacks are a very slow combo that just gets you slapped

#

i just barely cleared elysium

rustic vale
#

using the regular attacks is also a problem

#

like

#

special or spin

#

why attack

acoustic bolt
#

i'm not using the regular attacks but i was complaining about the weapon as a whole so i included them

rustic vale
#

hmm

#

I like the weapon but I don't know how to help you tbh

acoustic bolt
#

i'm on heart rend with aphro attack and i have 75% rush delivery and it just doesn't feel like enough

rustic vale
#

I mean it would've been nice to have your flourish and attack swapped around when you have quick and massive spin then

#

also what's giving you move speed? hyper delivery I assume?

acoustic bolt
#

yeah i built it not knowing i was going to get hteh ammers

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yeah hyper sprint

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i got the hammers in elysium

rustic vale
#

keep in mind that +75% is only during that timeframe post dashing

acoustic bolt
#

oh snap really

#

i didn't know that]

rustic vale
#

have you read what hypersprint does?

acoustic bolt
#

yes, but since the text on the rush delivery doesn't change i assumed it just counted hyper sprint for that purpose all the time

rustic vale
#

I mean hypersprint is really good but you gotta know how it works to use it properly with rush delivery

acoustic bolt
#

if the damage ability text box always says 75% even if i don't have the hyper sprint buff on how am i supposed to know the actual coded mechanics lol

rustic vale
#

well you don't really have to know how it works but it's better then assuming what you've

acoustic bolt
#

asking if i read the thing

#

jeez

rustic vale
#

uh

rustic vale
#

so

#

hypersprint gives you +100% movespeed

acoustic bolt
#

oh that wasn't clear either

lean timber
#

skill issue

warm nimbus
#

doesnt it say something stupid like "damage bonus from move speed"?

acoustic bolt
#

i thought it was 75% bonus damage and the reason why it said 100% the last time i had hyper sprint and this was because the % of your bonus speed that it uses was different based on rarity

lean timber
#

"you gain damage relative to any bonus movespeed"

rustic vale
#

"You deal bonus damage based on any bonus move speed."*

acoustic bolt
#

the line with the percentage says "bonus damage from bonus speed: 75%"

#

i think not really having the mechanic spelled out it's very easy to assume 75% is the amount of damage. since it's the subject of that sentence, not what percentage of your bonus speed it uses

latent moon
#

well the hyper sprint buff is only active for 1.whatever seconds

#

so you'll only get the bonus in that time frame

rustic vale
#

.5-.9 seconds I think

#

based on rarity

acoustic bolt
#

oh boy

#

yes i understand that now

latent moon
#

oh

acoustic bolt
#

maybe i'll have better luck with damage output now

latent moon
#

i thought it ended at .8 lol but oh well

rustic vale
#

I pulled up the wiki so I could copy paste the rush delivery line tbh

#

and just scrolled to hyper sprint to check

latent moon
#

ah

acoustic bolt
#

i will probably value rush delivery a little lower now although i do still like it

rustic vale
#

🤨

#

uh

latent moon
#

rush delivery is like the best hermes boon lmfao

rustic vale
#

especially with hyper sprint

latent moon
#

it's just free bonus damage because you're always dash striking anyways

#

also with certain weapons like bow, when you dash strike, your build up wont be interrupted for a bit so you can get your shot off

#

and you'll take less damage in that instance

#

very underlooked but extremely good feature imo

acoustic bolt
#

i pretty much only dash strike with bow

#

because it draws faster

latent moon
#

exactly

#

hyper sprint + rd is gonna give you a ton of damage and reliability

#

granted you can get greater haste and then rd but it's not as useful considering hs is 100%

rustic vale
#

I mean

latent moon
#

buying movement speed from wells are an option tho

rustic vale
#

what weapon aren't you dash striking with

#

or dashing with

#

it's free damage from doing something that you do anyways

#

a very sizable amount of free damage

latent moon
#

does arthur dash strike lol

rustic vale
#

uh

#

Dash-Strike Press Attack quickly after Dashing. 50 Damage None

acoustic bolt
#

not a ton of dash striking with poseidon, but it's not hard to dash before casting

rustic vale
#

dash after casting

acoustic bolt
#

i mean after whoops

latent moon
rustic vale
#

well

#

I swear I've dashed into the 200 swipes

#

which went all the way up even higher

acoustic bolt
#

i pick up hunter dash a lot with hestia and dash strike a ton with that since it's free

rustic vale
#

right

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rightttttttt

latent moon
#

technically all weapons can benefit from hunter dash but sometimes it's better to not have artemis in the god pool

latent moon
rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

this channel has very strong opinions lol

#

yes usually

#

or some other big attack that comes up

latent moon
#

oh i forgot lucifer existed beacuse i dont play it

acoustic bolt
#

if it comes up before i can change keepsakes

latent moon
#

is artemis considered a big atk lol

#

the % dmg is small but you get a 15% crit chance

acoustic bolt
#

aphro attack

rustic vale
#

I'm biased to shackle hestia but like 2nd best option is artemis hestia since buffing the additive damage is easy

latent moon
#

aphro atk > arty atk on hestia

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
#

i get sick of seeing core boons and take an attack eventually

#

i'm not sure if permanently removing 1/3 of my options is worth shackle every time

#

or at least it's not fun for me

#

if it is worth it

latent moon
#

building around a shackle is like a passive approval process lol

acoustic bolt
#

i

#

what?

latent moon
#

you're always gonna be offered a core boon if you dont have them all filled

rustic vale
#

building shackle is called you actively don't pick up boons 😎

latent moon
#

and approval process limits your choices to 2 boons instead of 3

#

so it's essentially the same if you're using shackle

acoustic bolt
#

oh is that the name of the heat thing

latent moon
#

yeah

acoustic bolt
#

sorry i haven't used most of htem

#

them*

rustic vale
#

anyways I tried a shackle beowulf run earlier today

acoustic bolt
#

that one seemed especially cruel to me though

latent moon
#

i've only used AP for the fated list once lol

latent moon
rustic vale
#

I died to non-em3 asterius man it was bad

latent moon
#

skill issue

rustic vale
#

that too

latent moon
rustic vale
#

along with being forced to pick up an artemis flourish

#

gaming

#

I think I got forced into something that wasn't tidal dash

latent moon
#

rip

acoustic bolt
#

so what is the good guan yu build

#

just in case i die

latent moon
#

aphro on the special, get charged skewer on the hammer, and spam specials

rustic vale
#

ME is doom attack and athena flourish/dash right? because I swear I've seen someone tell me on sword it's doom special and athena attack and dash

latent moon
#

well they're wrong lol

#

why would you put doom on the special

rustic vale
#

I have genuinely no clue but it rattled my brain to the core

acoustic bolt
#

does guan yu special do explosion damage?

latent moon
#

i think?

rustic vale
#

it has aoe yeah

latent moon
#

it's also piercing

acoustic bolt
#

that's probably why

mint coral
#

Is piercing

#

And hitbox is bigger than it looks

latent moon
#

are they like

#

using the special and then dashing and is that all they're doing

mint coral
#

Only weapon that gets away with reverse ME is probably zeus shield lol

#

Or raME if you are crazy

latent moon
#

chiron if you're insane

rustic vale
#

beowulf me 🙃

acoustic bolt
#

does guan yu spin attack snapshot your damage bonus or will it change if i hyper sprint/rush delivery after throwing it

mint coral
#

Will change

acoustic bolt
#

interesting

mint coral
#

Same goes for things like hangover/meme beams/etc

#

Easy to notice on eris

lean timber
#

you have to work all the way into styx to get that tho lmao

mint coral
#

I doubt ME is the cause for a 1000 doom proc

latent moon
#

are you actually procing the doom with an atk/dash lol

mint coral
#

That has to be dire misfortune gaming

latent moon
#

because that just sounds like doom, dire misfortune, and impending doom

lean timber
#

yes with attack. and it was actually just enough to get it over the line. 1020 - 1060 was what i was getting

rustic vale
#

imagine chiron doom without dire misfortune 💀

lean timber
#

ok so basically i'll run thru what i did

latent moon
lean timber
#

athena attack, ares special (epic) + pom the crap out of it, dire misfortune, impending doom for like 60 or 90% i can't remember, and swift flourish to get a lot of stacks before setting it off with one final attack

mint coral
lean timber
#

mmm it was gravy

#

even just one special + attack was like 600. it was great

acoustic bolt
#

ooh rod gaming maybe i won't die

rustic vale
#

is athena/ artemis duo a good thing to go for on the side when playing ME?

mint coral
#

If you hapoen to have all of ME before arte shows up? Yeah

patent mesa
#

yep DR is the best way to scale up ME outside of impending

mint coral
#

If you dont have it you are sabotaging your ME odds

patent mesa
#

yep and it's incredibly highroll

#

but arty is the best third god alongside ME regardless just for crits

latent moon
#

get true shot and then hope you dont screw up your ME odds lol

acoustic bolt
#

i don't suppose lightning rod benefits from parting shot

#

that's not a cool clever interaction that's kinda secret

rustic vale
#

the problem is more the fact that lightning rod is calling down a lightning bolt

#

since those can't backstab anyways

acoustic bolt
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my understanding of parting shot is that it doesn't matter where you hit, you get backstab damage.

is it instead that normally casts can't backstab at all and parting shot lets them?

rustic vale
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yes

acoustic bolt
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oh lame

rustic vale
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although

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someone else please confirm this

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I don't entirely trust myself on this one

lean timber
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i'm 65% sure that's right

rustic vale
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your cast doesn't normally backstab, but the way the duo is worded and the fact that I hardly ever pick it up make me unable to confirm that it doesn't just blanket add the backstab damage to all casts

lean timber
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yeah i'm not sure of that either

rustic vale
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wait

lean timber
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parting shot gotta be one of my least run duos

acoustic bolt
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got em

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yeah lightnign rod saved the day

rustic vale
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yeah I'm going to need to actually pick that up at some point to confirm it tbh

acoustic bolt
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someone should just mod it so it does that

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because that would make it legit

rustic vale
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uh

acoustic bolt
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also killed dad with 1:45 left

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not my best

rustic vale
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I would say that would be for no reason

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make a mod so one duo can do something differently sounds like a waste of time to make imo

acoustic bolt
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i guess it depends how much fun it adds for you

rustic vale
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it's adding 0 fun because I wouldn't pick up parting shot either way 😎

acoustic bolt
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why? it would make it very good in cast builds

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especially since mirage shot is already very good

latent moon
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it's also more effort

latent moon
acoustic bolt
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why

patent mesa
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parting shot is actually a very powerful duo

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too bad it's far too niche to go for outside of maybe poseidon

acoustic bolt
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i have really tried ot stay on 2 gods and basically never manage it. so most of my runs end with several duos

latent moon
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you dont want to open an extra duo if you're playing beo because you rely on the mirage shot for damage
you're not guaranteed to see artemis in tartarus so you have to force her in asphodel

rustic vale
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it's not about staying on 2 gods

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it's about which duos you'd be opening up by taking a given boon from a third or fourth god

latent moon
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and then after that you really dont need any more, you'll get more damage from using hades' keepsake instead of the backstab

patent mesa
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tbh I'm not sure parting even works on flares

acoustic bolt
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what's a flare

latent moon
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then honestly i cant think of any builds that benefits from parting shot other than hera

rustic vale
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beowulf/ hera(?) casts

latent moon
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yes

patent mesa
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poseidon runs athena cast

acoustic bolt
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poseidon casts

patent mesa
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which is half of the way to parting

rustic vale
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I think some of hera's casts are flares and some are shots

rustic vale
acoustic bolt
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sorry that's what i meant

latent moon
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you can honestly make do without parting shot on poseidon tho

rustic vale
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we have it boys

patent mesa
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of course

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the only duo you're really aiming for is lightning

latent moon
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lightning phalanx is more important than parting shot so you'll be forcing athena and zeus

rustic vale
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heading into lernie with merciful end and athena/artemis duo

acoustic bolt
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being able to make do wasn't really the point

latent moon
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so what was the point

acoustic bolt
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that it doesn't do anything and a mod that made it do something would make it a more attractive boon

rustic vale
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it does do something 🤨

patent mesa
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tbh if it was actually a strong duo it might be too good lmao

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since aphro athena is already a popular duo of gods to force

rustic vale
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here's the triangle

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aphro/athena/artemis

latent moon
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i mean i think the issue with parting shot isn't the fact that it doesn't do a lot of damage, it's that it's only good with like 1 weapon and it's not a priority due to lightning phalanx being more important to clear rooms faster

patent mesa
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yep