broken in the sense that there is a bug with it that makes it really strong
#h1-discussion
honest citrus
how do you unlock the 4th aspects? if it comes on naturally dont tell me
rustic vale
You have to go out of your way to put 5 blood into spear
rustic vale
to unlock the spear hidden aspect before the rest
upbeat shore
You have to go out of your way to put 5 blood into spear
Doesn't it have to be 5 within a single aspect?
rustic vale
Then all the rest can get unlocked
latent moon
getting hidden aspects are pinned in #h1-story-discussion i believe
rustic vale
Nope any aspects
latent moon
not zag tho right
latent moon
idk that's what i heard here i thought
latent moon
but imagine not having all aspects maxed already
upbeat shore
I know that one goes first
rustic vale
you don’t have to max any aspect to get the hidden one
upbeat shore
Just 5 blud
rustic vale
Just 5 blood put in
upbeat shore
I didn't get the dialogue immediately, because rng is a very nice friend 
latent moon
meanwhile i didn't upgrade any zag aspects for the 5 titan blood because i thought those were boring lol
upbeat shore
I don't care for Zag on anything except rail
rustic vale
Zag sword because it works with rushed delivery /j
latent moon
i think the only zag aspect that is actually has a useful upgrade is zag shield
zag rail also not bad tho
honest citrus
i guess what i should ask is what boons are good with it, because i know which ones are good with spear, fists and rail and sword is just strong naturally
latent moon
probably aphrodite on the attack
honest citrus
so i thought maybe thats why im struggling with shield
latent moon
what aspect is this for btw
median spear
man i hate the shield so much but i want to unlock the secret aspect 😭
is it possible to unlock it without using the shield?
rustic vale
Zeus shield is so much fun though
median spear
Zeus shield is so much fun though
it's the most boring weapon for me
honest citrus
what aspect is this for btw
i only have zag and chaos
median spear
super slow
rustic vale
well
latent moon
is it possible to unlock it without using the shield?
i think you need to bring the shield to someone first to get the dialogue? not sure tho
honest citrus
it's the most boring weapon for me
same
median spear
i think you need to bring the shield to someone first to get the dialogue? not s...
yeah the minotaur
rustic vale
Depends on your gameplay style
upbeat shore
yeah the minotaur
No that's the fists
rustic vale
minotaur is for gloves
median spear
chaos then
honest citrus
so far the spear is my favourite weapon
upbeat shore
Same
latent moon
the pin says that they have to comment about weapon aspects or you bring the shield to him so technically you dont have to use the shield
rustic vale
Damn
median spear
so far the spear is my favourite weapon
the spear is awesome but the bow is peak
latent moon
i don't respect him to remember his name
bro asterius is a homie
rustic vale
Asterius is a homie
median spear
bro asterius is a homie
he is a follower of thesueus
upbeat shore
Asterius is a bro
rustic vale
Asterius is cool, Theseus is not
latent moon
he is a follower of thesueus
i dont think he has much of a choice tbh
median spear
Asterius is cool, Theseus is not
he's not cool by association then
latent moon
theyre stuck together for eternity might as well be friendly
median spear
i dont think he has much of a choice tbh
sounds like weakling talk to me
upbeat shore
I don't know the mythology is Theseus a bad dude?
rustic vale
not how that works
honest citrus
the spear is awesome but the bow is peak
Aspect of chiron 😩
upbeat shore
Or is Theseus just annoying
median spear
I don't know the mythology is Theseus a bad dude?
no
he's a hero
he died alone and scorned though
as he should
rustic vale
theseus is kind of a bad dude
latent moon
sounds like weakling talk to me
if you're stuck with someone for the rest of time you might as well be friendly with them, easier for everyone
rustic vale
he saved his lands and then he did a bunch of bad stuff after that
latent moon
classic greek mythology
honest citrus
rama is more fun
not unlocked yet so idk
honest citrus
chiron is super broken
ikr
rustic vale
Exaggeration on whether or not something is broken is getting on my nerves ree
median spear
not unlocked yet so idk
chiron is stronger
especially with dio special
median spear
Exaggeration on whether or not something is broken is getting on my nerves ree
im sorry but chiron is broken if slightly
honest citrus
Skelly best character
latent moon
im sorry but chiron is broken if slightly
sounds like someone hasn't tried beowulf
rustic vale
But I wouldn’t call it broken
median spear
sounds like someone hasn't tried beowulf
im trying to unlock it actually 🙂
latent moon
chiron is strong yeah
struggles in styx because of close range, but tdash can cover for that
tdash breaking wave
rustic vale
If you hit both hammer you do kinda win though
median spear
chiron is strong yeah
struggles in styx because of close range, but tdash can co...
or even the blue guy's call
i forgot his name and i don't wanna mistype it
latent moon
takes too long to charge in the smaller rooms
the dash is more useful
cast works as well tho
median spear
takes too long to charge in the smaller rooms
i remember getting athena's insta charge + pos call
legit would clear the small rooms in less than 3 seconds
with the pull boon
rustic vale
I’m going to find my table for how much chiron gets boosted if you get the hammers
Assuming you have chiron maxed out thats how much damage your special would be doing with no boons/other special damage improvements
latent moon
with PS the base damage would be 445 with no atk or special boons
for relentless + conc
warm nimbus
i think the only zag aspect that is actually has a useful upgrade is zag shield
zag bow???
latent moon
zag bow???
oh right zag bow
i counted 5 aspects in my head but gave up trying to think of the 6th lol
latent moon
not with that attitude
warm nimbus
right
latent moon
big PP
mint coral
Wait is that bouldy chamber?
mint coral
Did you see zeus on erebus?
warm nimbus
that happening when you quit out makes sense bc i did that lmao
warm nimbus
no you can see the zeus boon in cores
mint coral
But yeah thats not fixed cuz quitting out makes the run not leaderboard legal
lean timber
epic tidal dash moment
high island
them* 
lean timber
the master
high island
Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them.
rustic vale
lmao just ap2 rerolled into epic tidal dash
Just ap3 rolled into heroic tidal dash
rustic vale
Demeter or gilgamesh
median spear
would demeter be good even at lvl 1?
rustic vale
When it’s +5 specials it’s amazing
high island
high island
Demeter Aspect has more DPS, but stacking Dodge chance on Zag Fists is very safe.
warm nimbus
if eris then basically gg
uhhh yeah about that
lean timber
speaking of which, just did a demeter run and literally forgot to get a special boon 
had fun tho. mostly chaosmaxxing
devout terrace
Companion astaos
upbeat shore
Demeter Aspect has more DPS, but stacking Dodge chance on Zag Fists is very safe...
Zag fists + Plume + Dodge boon + Ruthless Reflex = never get hit 
high island
Zag fists + Plume + Dodge boon + Ruthless Reflex = never get hit <:bouldy:523329...
And Second Wind.
It's possible to get 100% Dodge Chance, even.
upbeat shore
Is it legit you never get hit in this game at 100%? I know lots of games hide some restrictions on stats like that so you're not like invincible
gray apex
Yes
Dodge chance is additive
So you can get 100%
Damage reduction is multiplicative so you can never take 0 damage
But you can stack pretty high regardless
upbeat shore
And there are no undodgeable attacks?
gray apex
I think there are no undodgeable attacks
iirc in Early Access Hades' spin could not be dodged
short glen
Pretty sure these days poison damage can be dodged
upbeat shore
That's it, I'm goin dodge-stacking next time. This just sounds wonderful
gray apex
You wont have 100% permanent uptime on it but you can get close
upbeat shore
True, but I can have permanent uptime on like 70% between the fists, the plume and Greater Evade if I get Eurydice to be a pal and make it Heroic
I suppose Demeter could also be my pal.
gray apex
No
Lasts for 2s but you can keep procing it as much as you want
Try adding Second Wind from Hermes too
upbeat shore
Definitely
I'll have to try it after work today it sounds like so much fun to be invincible tbh
high island
iirc in Early Access Hades' spin could not be dodged
Yeah, but that got patched near the end of Early Access already, if I remember right. Since we were still figuring out Dodge mechanics ourselves, no one reported it as a bug, I don't think, so it took awhile for word to reach them. A while after I figured out that the spin specifically was undodgeable, I made a feedback post complaining that it wasn't intuitive that only the spin was impossible to dodge... In hindsight, that's maybe the first time they heard of it.
strange skiff
I'll have to try it after work today it sounds like so much fun to be invincible...
I agree! I've never got 100% but have had very nice runs getting 75 and 80% dodge chance without too much trouble... effectively 4x / 5x health pool
tired karma
why the aiming in this game is so awkward
it doesn't even have sensitivity setting
somber rapids
is this for mouse and keyboard or controller?
I find the aiming very good and satisfying for controller
strong ridge
both
strange skiff
Controller feels pretty good to me. (Nintendo pad)
rotund galleon
So how do you achieve 100% dodge? Zagreus fists with Hermes keep?
grim path
Keyboard + Mouse feels good for me, however it's hard to see the mouse at times
rotund galleon
I play with KbM and honestly wouldn't be able to play with controller
gray apex
So how do you achieve 100% dodge? Zagreus fists with Hermes keep?
Ruthless Reflex, Greater Evasion and Second Wind from Hermes
And yea Zag fists + Plume
rotund galleon
I need to try this
grim path
I play with KbM and honestly wouldn't be able to play with controller
Friend has Hades on Switch, I'll try out how it plays on controller there.
gray apex
Both are pretty good, it's purely preference
rotund galleon
But again I started playing DMC games on Kb first too
pastel monolith
im thinking about buying hades again on switch just so i can play it easier in other rooms
seems a little excessive but still
ive already bought the game for 2 other pll too
gotta support supergiant for making such a great game
vapid narwhal
It supports crosssave with Steam too!
lean timber
hades on switch goes hard but sometimes it drops frames pretty hard especially in elysium
not during "normal" gameplay or whatever but in the midst of a lot of particles and action
you have to really push it to get it to drop tho. it's pretty good
strange skiff
For me the most common frame drops are tartarus when too many enemies are decoy cloning themselves
On switch
lean timber
i don't run high heats but i can assume that would definitely cause it.
honest citrus
crazy that a console that released in 2013 runs games smoother than one released in 2017
signal rivet
Hi! So I found this visual bug that when you kill Hades while his trident is thrown it stays even after he goes. Where am I suppose to send it?
gray apex
That is a known thing, it can happen with Theseus too, and it's not much of a bug
gray apex
Yea it doesn't happen often
patent mesa
hades spear but good
honest citrus
i just leveled god's legacy 9 times and the run right after i got 2 duos and 2 legendaries
was this a stroke of luck or is god's legacy that strong
gray apex
i just leveled god's legacy 9 times and the run right after i got 2 duos and 2 l...
Well it's a mix of both, tough to say exactly how much Legacy did for you, but being eligible for all those boons is pretty lucky
strong ridge
wat duos
honest citrus
dionysus/Zeus duo and dionysus/demeter duo
festive fog destroyed everything
and the legendary was dionysus's
and Zeus's i think
gray apex
Those are some good ones together
patent mesa
god's legacy is pretty strong yeah
without any other factors you have about a 30% chance of duo/legendary per roll, with legacy it's about 50%
high island
without any other factors you have about a 30% chance of duo/legendary per roll,...
What?
signal aspen
lmao
warm nimbus
pretty straightforward to me lmao
median spear
does curse of longing work with chiron?
like aphro attack and ares special
can i apply doom like 8 times?
high island
12% per roll for normal boons. 22% with Gods' Legacy.
10% per roll for miniboss boons. 20% with Gods' Legacy.
patent mesa
I believe curse of longing will take into account dire misfortune
patent mesa
12% per roll for normal boons. 22% with Gods' Legacy.
10% per roll for miniboss ...
per selection of three boons
median spear
I believe curse of longing will take into account dire misfortune
im not talking about dire misfortune
does doom have an internal cooldown
like zeus?
patent mesa
well yeah it has to
median spear
sadge
gray apex
An enemy can only have 1 Doom at a time
median spear
An enemy can only have 1 Doom at a time
but with curse of longing
patent mesa
if you reapply doom without dire misfortune the prior doom will keep going as usual
signal aspen
but with curse of longing
that doesnt change
patent mesa
my guess is the curse of longing doom ticks will be overwritten by a main doom source
signal aspen
if you reapply doom with col then the damage resets
patent mesa
does it reset doom timer?
high island
per selection of three boons
That's so misleading and oversimplified, though.
signal aspen
does it reset doom timer?
idk i dont use curse of longing 🗿
patent mesa
That's so misleading and oversimplified, though.
...not really?
high island
Yes, it is.
patent mesa
it's just a demonstration of roughly how strong legacy is
and the relevant metric there is chance of rolling duo/legendary per boon pickup/persuasion roll
patent mesa
well that's irrelevant isn't it
I'm just talking about chance of any duo/legendary showing up
high island
Bruh.
patent mesa
?
I also said without outside factors like yarn/nectar/chaos favor
so idk what your problem is lol
gray apex
i tried artemis special on chiron and it's not that
Try Poseidon and look for Zeus + Sea Storm
median spear
ight i'll try it
patent mesa
i tried artemis special on chiron and it's not that
arty special really really wants concentrated volley
warm nimbus
say its a miniboss room, theres a 1-(0.9*0.9*0.9) chance of it showing up, 27.1%. with legacy, its 1-(0.9*0.9*0.9), or 48.8%
patent mesa
with that and heart rend it eats everything
median spear
arty special really really wants concentrated volley
i did have concentrated volley
the damage was good
but dio deals waay more
patent mesa
heart rend?
patent mesa
standard arty special build is force arty special then aphro attack
warm nimbus
say its a miniboss room, theres a 1-(0.9\*0.9\*0.9) chance of it showing up, 27....
i really dont feel like its an oversimplification lol
patent mesa
similar to dio chiron
patent mesa
oh you were running family favorite correct?
median spear
oh you were running family favorite correct?
yes
patent mesa
that's right then
median spear
i usually run it if im not going dio aphro
warm nimbus
for normal rooms its 31.8% and 52.5% respectively
patent mesa
I personally prefer dio chiron but arty chiron with the relevant fixins should be a decent bit stronger
maybe try again
patent mesa
yeah it kinda sucks pre sea storm so be aware of that
high island
for normal rooms its 31.8% and 52.5% respectively
You could just look those numbers up here, you know. #h1-high-heat-strategies message
patent mesa
You could just look those numbers up here, you know. https://discord.com/channel...
how does that make what I said misleading then
warm nimbus
You could just look those numbers up here, you know. https://discord.com/channel...
i also literally had no way of knowing this existed
also, do exchanges take priority over duos/legendaries?
patent mesa
"why didn't you link this obscure spreadsheet from a year ago that's not pinned anywhere"
warm nimbus
You could just look those numbers up here, you know. https://discord.com/channel...
anyway how are you supposed to read this spreadsheet? just curious, im not sure what numbers correspond to what
also wait waits the keybind for resetting
i forgot it
warm nimbus
wait so which of those is it
oh wait i forgot you have to press them all at once
im stupid
patent mesa
imagine trying to use last call vs superdad and resetting lol
signal aspen
were you pressing them one at a time
signal aspen
breh
warm nimbus
i hate when speedrunning when the chaos boon you really want has an awful curse
and even worse is when everything is useless after you reroll trying to get something better
and then you reroll again and get maimed, maimed, enshrouded
patent mesa
hey do you want extra gems and darkness
warm nimbus
i think im just going to reset
patent mesa
that's the nice thing about high heat chaos tbh
maimed even on attack weapons is acceptable
patent mesa
lucy blood rave party moment
warm nimbus
bc losing dds sucks
patent mesa
imagine not using SD on speedruns
warm nimbus
do you?
patent mesa
yeah and HS HL5
warm nimbus
hmmmm
high island
anyway how are you supposed to read this spreadsheet? just curious, im not sure ...
I linked the discord message rather than the spreadsheet because I explained it to cgull there.
high island
also, do exchanges take priority over duos/legendaries?
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
So exchanges are always the first step once you already have any priority core boon.
warm nimbus
oh wow i didnt realize duos/legendaries were so far down
interesting
also wait a minute
how are you supposed to do witches meg on kbm when playing rail?
raw herald
mouse
warm nimbus
yeah but you have aim at cursor turned off
pastel monolith
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fil...
this is good to know, i was watching a yt video of a hades run where he had every zeus boon except legendary and an available duo, and it offered him 3 swaps ! ive never seen 3 swaps before
i thought for sure it would offer the legendary or duo before offering 3 swaps lol
patent mesa
how are you supposed to do witches meg on kbm when playing rail?
you go to the correct corner
then just auto aim at the witch
or you can special in the right direction I guess
signal aspen
it should just auto aim at the witch
if it doesnt use the special
nvm this was a 3 witch meg smh
raw herald
nice 4 witch meg
raw herald
dc2 meg >>
signal aspen
skill issue
warm nimbus
ur mom
patent mesa
skill issue
warm nimbus
ur dad
honest citrus
is it just me or zeus and artemis are like way stronger than other gods
warm nimbus
meh, depends on the build
honest citrus
well yeah but zeus builds are insane
as soon as you get his legendary the run is won
warm nimbus
not necessarily. zeus attack is only really good on things that attack fast, like fists and rail
mint coral
not necessarily. zeus attack is only really good on things that attack fast, lik...
Flurry jab achilles too
warm nimbus
and if youre playing eris getting splitting bolt is just kinda cool, it doesnt do as much damage as you think it would tbh
warm nimbus
Flurry jab achilles too
oh true, and like gy i suppose
honest citrus
not necessarily. zeus attack is only really good on things that attack fast, lik...
well it carried my zag sword run
had zeus special
warm nimbus
what the
mint coral
Most things can carry early runs
But anywaus zeus is rlly strong lol
Can always slap the call
warm nimbus
zeus call op
honest citrus
demeter's call is horrible
signal aspen
Artemis attack on fists tho
mint coral
Heavy knuckle gaming!?!?
gray apex
Deserves a ban for sure
warm nimbus
demeter's call is horrible
honestly not that bad on high heat
or probably casually either
signal aspen
At least it gives you iframes
honest citrus
honestly not that bad on high heat
probably, im only on 4 heat
warm nimbus
At least it gives you iframes
it also slows things which isnt terrible
yknow
if youve ever heard of the "chill" status effect
mint coral
If you want chill i feel like there is better options
Like il take it but is getting sold to UC asap lol
warm nimbus
well yeah its going to be one of the first things to go but its really not that bad
unless you have jolted, then its pretty bad
honest citrus
how do you send images lmao
upbeat shore
Imgur links work
honest citrus
ok cool haha
Why does the game's difficulty curve look like this
||https://imgur.com/n5s0H1m||
upbeat shore
Oh you don't have to spoil tag that in this channel if you don't want to, it's just the new players channel that has the spoil restrictions
honest citrus
oh ok
signal aspen
Why does the game's difficulty curve look like this
||https://imgur.com/n5s0H1m|...
Probably because your damage isn't good and enemies become extremely tanky
honest citrus
yeah probably
upbeat shore
What makes Serrated Point not as good as it feels?
signal aspen
The short dashes
warm nimbus
yep
signal aspen
And the damage just isn't that good
upbeat shore
I didn't even think about using it that way
high island
The damage can actually be really good due to the very large AOE being able to hit a lot of enemies. Single-target damage is really bad, though.
But it makes it very easy to proc Killing Freeze, so that's usually where the damage comes from anyway.
signal aspen
Arctic blast goin crazy
signal aspen
Very
signal aspen
Yeah
warm nimbus
all of the shield aspect are superb
signal aspen
Especially chaos
mint ember
oh my GOD
honest citrus
maxed aspect of chaos sounds super cool
mint ember
this is by far the best run ive ever had so far this is nuts
signal aspen
maxed aspect of chaos sounds super cool
I was joking chaos is the worst shield
strong ridge
maxed aspect of chaos sounds super cool
it’s suck
honest citrus
damn
mint ember
hyper delivery in asphodel with hesta and 2 chaos boons empoering dash strike
and crit on attack
signal aspen
Artemis attack 
signal aspen
2k crits on 500 armor enemies
strong ridge
rip lerni
honest citrus
Holy crap zeus special on aspect of zeus is nuts
signal aspen
Yeah it be like that
honest citrus
alr splitting bolt in asphodel with aspect of zeus
lernie is about to get destroyed
dense bison
ruined a hades run by picking the worst upgrade
I picked Poseidon's Knockback Special on the Fists with the Pulling ability
Literally the dumbest thing ever. sure I could've knocked enemies into each other / walls, but thats not good when I have 5 mins timer
rustic vale
Poseidon special on Talos fists sounds like something I want to play just to see how it turns out now
dense bison
It wouldnt of been so bad if I didnt have the limited timer -.-
I would've gone through with it
warm nimbus
https://www.thegamer.com/hades-best-speedrun-tips/ ok what the actual hell are these tips
warm nimbus
have you seen this before?
mint coral
how does TheGamer keep coming back
warm nimbus
oh nice lmao
gray apex
I actually don’t wanna read this
mint coral
it can never be killed 🗿
warm nimbus
well one of the speedrun tips is to utilize dodge chance well
rustic vale
Hehe
warm nimbus
i think it recommends RR
rustic vale
warm nimbus
also guys remember this: "If Trove Rooms Are Annoying, Use The Tight Deadline Heat Option"
mint coral
yeah dodge chance/survival rooms are the only sus ones
signal aspen
Who is gonna send this in the speed tech channel in the speedcord
Oh I've seen this one
gray apex
You
signal aspen
I'll get banned
gray apex
Send it in memes
patent mesa
banned for being too high tech
mint coral
i think both the speedrun server and here are tired of thegamer lol
gray apex
For good reason
mint coral
yup
warm nimbus
this website looks awful
warm nimbus
how does it still exist?
signal aspen
SO TRUE
patent mesa
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/659820450297282585/991463561132003368/u...
wait
what's wrong with that
warm nimbus
idk tip #4 is really funny
yeah i think this article has enlightened me
im going to start taking fo1 instead of fo2
warm nimbus
fo2 just isnt worth it
patent mesa
for casuals that's probably true
warm nimbus
at least is not the builds one lmao
ooh i need to find this
patent mesa
FO2 asphodel homies annoying
mint coral
FO2 asphodel homies annoying
patent mesa
yeah but these are speedrun tips
I mean for that too
FO2 has a bit of a learning curve so you don't waste time chasing stuff around
mint coral
yeah fo1 is recommended if you arent that experienced in the weapon
and on unmodded beo where c shot isnt guaranteed is nice
warm nimbus
mint coral
there it is
warm nimbus
nice build idea
mint coral
now delete it 🔫
warm nimbus
sea storm lol
signal aspen
what's wrong with that
Idk I just laughed when I read that
I just like how you should never go past em2
signal aspen
Oh mb
gray apex
moyai
mint coral
cant even get it if you have trippy first lmao
latent moon
Is super soaker in there
signal aspen
It's the best
warm nimbus
the gamer has a weird obsession with tempest strike
and why ares?
why would you want ares?
signal aspen
Flood shot with beo fire
mint coral
COD
mint coral
Flood shot with beo fire
just get a weird display bug like always lol
signal aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/991465486619525271/u...
AFTER PARTY!1!1!1!1!1!!1!1
BEST BOON
mint coral
what was that boon again
signal aspen
Idk I forgot
latent moon
why is this so terrible
warm nimbus
Mom, can we get sd?
We have sd at home
sd at home:
signal aspen
It's one of the health ones
signal aspen
why is this so terrible
Why is what terrible
latent moon
the guide from thegamer
signal aspen
Who said they were terrible
warm nimbus
these are enlightening
signal aspen
Bro did you read it
latent moon
i am reading it and i'm so concerned
warm nimbus
for your next hades build, were using dem fists
now just get every poseidon boon and call it a day
rustic vale
lets just grab all the poseidon boons
signal aspen
Lmao
latent moon
as one does
signal aspen
i am reading it and i'm so concerned
Yeah it's really good
warm nimbus
warm nimbus
honestly at least the first three were actually attempts at builds
signal aspen
DIVINE STRIKE
warm nimbus
these last three they just found a god and said "get all their boons"
signal aspen
ALL ATHENA BOONS
latent moon
just have a 1 god pool easy
warm nimbus
i love how they just have up halfway through
signal aspen
Bro why did they put bronze skin in there
warm nimbus
idk man
signal aspen
They went to the wiki and listed all the boons
warm nimbus
-10% damage is part of my build idk what youre talking about
signal aspen
Idt they play the games they write about
warm nimbus
Idt they play the games they write about
neither do i
signal aspen
They just look at what's popular and make up stuff about it
latent moon
i think they dont take a god's keepsake whenever they start a run they just go "yep gonna need skelly's keepsake the whole run"
warm nimbus
they legit found out how the game worked and then threw together some boons
warm nimbus
more boons from one god and less gods overall = more damage
patent mesa
at least they acknowledge that sea storm should be the end goal for every build
patent mesa
hm does super soaker work at 40 heat
mint coral
ah yes the athena attack lucy where you think all of the beam actually deflects
patent mesa
sounds fun lowkey
warm nimbus
hm does super soaker work at 40 heat
yeah probably
signal aspen
Yeah just td2
warm nimbus
just get sea storm and splitting bolt and youll probably be ok
patent mesa
switching forced hammer to endless chamber seems extremely cursed
warm nimbus
uh yeah dont do that
patent mesa
too bad I'm doing it
warm nimbus
triple beam for super soaker is fun
lean timber
these guys clearly know nothing, no hades spear or chaos shield builds
warm nimbus
tbh
signal aspen
True
warm nimbus
legit tho how is "the gamer" still in business
signal aspen
It's just hades maybe the guides for other games are good
patent mesa
tbh styx is such an issue for newbies that the gamer recommending poseidon on random crap probably helps them over that massive hurdle
warm nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/991464614502088714/u...
wait a minute they also use quick reload with trippy
patent mesa
hence the illusion of being good guides for newer players
warm nimbus
wtf
mint coral
delete tempest strike
warm nimbus
tempest strike hurts you everywhere else
unless youre playing the twin fists of malphon
mint coral
time to go back in time to at least make the scaling a little higher lol
warm nimbus
we all know on the twin fists of malphon these are the key boons: Tempest Strike, Tempest Flourish, Flood Shot, Typhoon's Fury, Hydraulic Might, Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave, Wave Pounding, Second Wave, Drunken Dash, Thunder Dash, Sea Storm
patent mesa
unless youre playing the twin fists of malphon
warm nimbus
you got damn lucky there ngl
mint coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/990863056282222652/u...
glorified lightning strike
warm nimbus
indeeed
patent mesa
probably could've cleared without splitting or sea storm
warm nimbus
idk lmao
that seems particularly awful
all your damage then comes from your special
patent mesa
if no highroll I would've just forced splash dash and win via 32 heat pommed rupture
forced ddash to make it an actual "tempest strike" build
warm nimbus
shouldve just gotten all the poseidon boons
patent mesa
bro I tried for second wave so hard when I saw I had duo/legendary hot hands
70% chance of second wave per roll and rolled like three times
warm nimbus
did you get drunken dash like the guide recommends?
pastel monolith
u should be able to sometimes buy a satyr sack from the styx shop for 1000 gold
or something like that sometimes
patent mesa
breaking news: deep pockets use drops to 0%
warm nimbus
if that happened that one sword hammer might actually be good
because youre saving your money anyway
patent mesa
problem is you lose 50 damage by buying sack
warm nimbus
good point
styx doesnt even take that long
styx takes like 20 seconds in speedruns lmao
patent mesa
yeah and on SD it's basically always free
assuming modded so no normal styx encounters
warm nimbus
also what are the lore implications of this
charon fought his way through styx to get the sack to sell it?
rustic vale
Yes
warm nimbus
ok im browsing the gamers articles about hades and almost every single one of these is an atrocity
even if its not gameplay related
like this one
its so terrible
marsh jackal
anyone know if the attack distance hammer on spear changes the dash attack?
warm nimbus
dash attacks are generally considered separate from normal attacks
well actually no
idk
its very inconsistent throughout the game
warm nimbus
im never quite sure what hermes priority is on eris. at what rarity is it better to take +dashes over hyper sprint or even rd?
mint coral
il take rare dashes over hyper sprint
warm nimbus
but not common?
mint coral
depends on rarity on both
also can join the speedrun server
can get answer from actually good eris players
modest berry
Is rare abilities better?
warm nimbus
also can join the speedrun server
forgot that existed lol
mint coral
Is rare abilities better?
they get a better effect than common boons but lower than epic and heroic
most of the time wont matter cuz you can just pom the boon
but on some unpommables is huge
modest berry
Pom?
modest berry
OH- Pomegranate.
rustic vale
Can’t reroll bosses smh
rustic vale
👀
lean timber
im never quite sure what hermes priority is on eris. at what rarity is it better...
if i'm choosing between dashes and hyper sprint, with no factors at play, i will always take the dash no matter the level of either
rustic vale
Is rare abilities better?
Common < rare < epic < heroic
modest berry
Haven't seen heroic yet 🙂
lean timber
hate hyper sprint. i would MAYBE use it for a fist build. but i don't play fists
modest berry
I suppose those will happen when I get gud
rustic vale
heroic can only be gotten from not normal circumstances
lean timber
heroic is extremely rare, have to play around with the game to find heroics
mint coral
what area have you reached?
modest berry
Meg is the furtherest I've gotten
modest berry
I'm so not good that this game XD
mint coral
aight i avoid talking about 2 of the 3 methods then
rustic vale
Just wait till asterius, he’s mega cool 😎
lean timber
mmmm
mint coral
for now your only way to see heroic boons is if a god offers a swap from an epic boon
so like epic lightning strike -> heroic strike from other god
lean timber
swaps always increase the rarity. so if it's an epic boon and they want to exchange it, it becomes heroic
modest berry
Oh cool
rustic vale
Is it possible for them to get the charon item that increases rarity yet?
mint coral
yeah
modest berry
I'll try to get epic moves if I can then
lean timber
yarn of adriane. sure
mint coral
those are always on the charon wells
rustic vale
So 4 methods
lean timber
no
rustic vale
oh
mint coral
I'll try to get epic moves if I can then
eh dont bother with forcing heroic boons
is a 10% for a god to offer a swap but for it to be the specific slot you want is lower
modest berry
Honestly, I need all the help I can get from the gods XD
mint coral
most of the time you can just slap the boon you want and pom it to make the difference
lean timber
for the effort required to get them they're not something to strive for each playthrough. but if you do find one, they're super nice
later on you will find ways to maybe not make that the case. but for now you will struggle to find heroics
mint coral
also some gods even at heroic can only reach a % similar to others
modest berry
This is true. Some gods would be just stronger than others
lean timber
not quite how it works but close enough
mint coral
Aphro vs Poseidon moment
rustic vale
This is true. Some gods would be just stronger than others
but uh... this train of thought doesn't follow into the game I think
lean timber
that's what i said with more words, yes
warm nimbus
hate hyper sprint. i would MAYBE use it for a fist build. but i don't play fists
hyper delivery in shambles
lean timber
the only thing hyper about my playstyle is how quickly i get stomped with the adamant rail!!
lean timber
auuuuugh okay where's the graph that illustrates the effects of poms at different rarities
i think nyaa posted it but i can't find it anywhere
feral belfry
rustic vale
i think nyaa posted it but i can't find it anywhere
Just checked, didn’t see any graphs of the sort posted within the last 4 months unless I missed it
cinder lichen
…Say, what’s that sound file called, when the dialogue with the 4th Boss is about to end?
rustic vale
Used all my death defiances on a chamber 7 charon but I got out alive so it was definitely worth it 😎
lean timber
…Say, what’s that sound file called, when the dialogue with the 4th Boss is abou...
it's another form of the main theme i know the one you're talking about
it goes hard
cinder lichen
Literally just the bass
Love stuff that is literally just the bass
celest shell
It's funny that even after getting to 20 heat on all of my weapons do I feel like I'm still not That Great
I still feel a bit messy in my playing
patent mesa
It's funny that even after getting to 20 heat on all of my weapons do I feel lik...
do 32
patent mesa
if you can do 20 heat all weapons 32 should be no problem at all
with the right pacts and your favorite aspect it's really not much of a jump
celest shell
For sure
lean timber
Used all my death defiances on a chamber 7 charon but I got out alive so it was ...
now a kiss of styx will only cost 160 😄
slim grail
Anyone shocked there's no Apollo? Since it's the most popular among mythology
crisp canyon
Anyone shocked there's no Apollo? Since it's the most popular among mythology
I wouldn't say shocked but I was definitely expecting it when I first got the game considering Artemis is an option ;-; There's a very nice mod to add him in though
mint coral
…Say, what’s that sound file called, when the dialogue with the 4th Boss is abou...
Is the start of god of the dead iirc
Dad theme is just suuuuper long
cinder lichen
Eh, that part was added shortly before Hades officially released. God of the Dead doesn't have that as the start.
mint coral
Ah prob never heared what u are talking about out sorry
My mind just starts god of the dead when fightning him lol
rotund galleon
There is no hope for a DLC right?
rotund galleon
Dang
vapid narwhal
Essentially the "DLCs" were already added to the game.
rotund galleon
Still, dang
pastel monolith
theres a mod someone made where they add a new olympian Apollo
it looks pretty cool i saw videos on yt, unfortunately i play on xbox so i cant try mods 😭
azure quiver
F
brisk trail
Adamant Rail, or as I've grown to call it, Fang Repeater
tbh in bastion i've preferred the bow
modest berry
Honestly, thank goodness there's no extra DLC to buy. I like getting it all in the core game :) it's tiring to pay extra for the real ending
narrow hemlock
Anyone shocked there's no Apollo? Since it's the most popular among mythology
late response but this may answer your question
#ask-supergiant message
another dev answer, pretty similar
#ask-supergiant message
wet frigate
I just got three different duo boons in one offering
lean timber
i've had two at once, gg wp
safe tinsel
I got 4 once on the first run getting a duo boon. I literally got 3 of them in styx and took a pic before I inevitably fell. I had 4 duo boons and still failed miserably
safe tinsel
I got further with 0 duo boons lmao
I lost mainly bc the dionysus duo boons are terrible late gane
safe tinsel
Eh Ares duo boons are cool
patent mesa
I mean yeah
but most builds don't benefit that much beyond one or two duos/legendaries the build is focused on
like parting shot's not gonna do jack if you're not running a cast build
safe tinsel
Yeah lol
I often dont have much of a strategy going into runs I just see the first boon and think welp what can I do well with this and think oh, this boon from this god is good so I'll work towards that 👍
warm nimbus
but most builds don't benefit that much beyond one or two duos/legendaries the b...
lol duos
duos are for people who run builds that need duos
slim grail
late response but this may answer your question
https://discord.com/channels/456...
AHH ok thank you!!
Hmm since he said that, he should put in Perseus hahaha. Not complaining btw.
Reason I said Perseus because he can totally fit in with the story 😄
Since he killed medusa, friends with Achilles, warrior etc
whole epoch
So someone made art for the unused gods in Hades and I really loved them
I loved them so much in fact I just straight up wrote boon concepts for them, like general ideas based on their mythology.
slim geyser
oo
river dawn
why does blizzard shot lag so much on my computer compared to everything else
significantly laggier than anything else
raw herald
Lots of projectiles
river dawn
still
eris with zeus and splitting bolt and support fire was still significantly less lag
high island
@river dawn if you're experiencing performance issues, there's some steps you can try in #h1-tech-fixes, specifically here: #h1-tech-fixes message
honest nebula
this is one of the best games I've ever played
i can't believe the dev team is that small
warm tangle
just got all the way to hades boss fight on my 14th attempt as a brand new player, pretty proud
daring lantern
rustic vale
Yeah
They get dripped out
Asterius becomes so much more annoying to deal with while theseus becomes so much less annoying to deal with
manic bobcat
this is one of the best games I've ever played
It's aight.
upbeat shore
Bro, dying to Hades when there's a fishing spot up there hurts my soul 
signal aspen
Then stop dying to hades
celest shell
Just realized Damage Control was hurting me way more than I thought in high heat runs. I replaced it with higher health/more enemies and it's been way easier
upbeat shore
Then stop dying to hades
That is not the sympathy I was hoping for
brisk trail
today I got out off hades with the bow and sword [the sword had aspect of Arthur which is super good and definitely a good investment] as well as got my first fable being the companion rib. all in all good day.
brisk trail
So someone made art for the unused gods in Hades and I really loved them
who is that person and what gods did you do it sounds cool as heck.
solar breach
Just realized Damage Control was hurting me way more than I thought in high heat...
damage control is bad on slow weapons or hardhitting weapons. The bow and Arthur
vapid narwhal
DC1 is not that bad.
warm nimbus
depends on the weapon. easy on something like eris or fists but not great on something like hera or especially arthur
patent mesa
I think it's very bad on literally anything that doesn't have zeus attack
that one particular attack invalidates DC for the most part but it should be saved for 50+ on everything else imo
warm nimbus
i mean yeah its almost never great but a decent number of things handle it pretty well
like rails that arent hestia, fists, zeus, etc
whole epoch
who is that person and what gods did you do it sounds cool as heck.
Hi! It would be Hera, Apollo, Hestia, and Hephaestus
But only 2 I did where I actually made combat boons for attack/special etc.
chrome wharf
Hera and Beo are less badly affected than it intuitively feels, because the first hit is the attack, then the casts pop out
whole epoch
Hestia and Hephaestus I wrote to expand on existing systems
chrome wharf
Even better with snow Burst to get rid of DC
whole epoch
to not drown out the existing god pool of boons
patent mesa
Hera and Beo are less badly affected than it intuitively feels, because the firs...
indeed
but arty attack with charged shot hauls ass
warm nimbus
idk i still think its pretty bad on hera, not sure about beo bc i dont play it very much
chrome wharf
It's not great on Beo but not a total bog like Hestia
brisk trail
Hi! It would be Hera, Apollo, Hestia, and Hephaestus
may i see what you did or is that private stuff?
patent mesa
DC1 is fine at 50+ but not preferable
chrome wharf
You can also wallslam, bodyslam, etc
warm nimbus
yeah i mean on hera dc1 sounds ok? not great but dc2 sounds terrible
patent mesa
DC2 is a nightmare because it nullifies at least one cast
warm nimbus
besides hera is like awful at high heat anyway
isnt hera just played like bad zag bow at high heat?
chrome wharf
Not with regular rush, since the attack is one hit and the rush is another
Yeah Hera is bad zag bow
Literally sold the cast Lol
Also behold my epic lernie fight build
warm nimbus
Literally sold the cast Lol
high heat castspect gaming
whole epoch
@brisk trail Here's Hephaestus, drawn by u/Lazymanohelp
I wrote his boon concept here
chrome wharf
CF0 RI0 AP0 moment
40 heat comfy
patent mesa
indeed
whole epoch
patent mesa
I'm a big 40 heat HS hater though
no fun getting in one bad situation and having dad pot one tap you
chrome wharf
I'd do CF1 but cast builds needs buying
warm nimbus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454835990943760405/992301489219440640/unk...
yo wtf imagine ranged clockets
chrome wharf
Ah yes, CP2 TD3 meme builds
warm nimbus
man youd think triple might be an adequate replacement for cluster
it is not
clockets is just so much better
chrome wharf
Without rocket, triple isn't bad
patent mesa
yeah it's nice for eris
brisk trail
exclusive access is the best duo boon change my mind
patent mesa
you can pre special a bunch of spawns and dash into the biggest threat to still get the buff
chrome wharf
*smoulderimg air
patent mesa
exclusive access comfy but overrated tbh
rustic vale
exclusive access is the best duo boon change my mind
Only if you get it in tartarus
brisk trail
but am i wrong?
warm nimbus
Without rocket, triple isn't bad
true but i mean just rocket is better than just triple
patent mesa
maybe top half of duos but nowhere near best
brisk trail
ok then what do you think is the best then?
warm nimbus
smair is always good
unless youre using hades call then you cant get it lmao
theres a lot of good ones its just that theyre used for like 1 build and nothing else
patent mesa
yeah I think I'd go with smair
chrome wharf
true but i mean just rocket is better than just triple
Not everyone mods
warm nimbus
like hunting blades is amazing if youre on achilles but its not like something youd want on eris
rustic vale
I think the thing about every other duo I’d say compares is you’re actively looking for it
warm nimbus
Not everyone mods
well yeah lmao
patent mesa
like hunting blades is amazing if youre on achilles but its not like something y...
speak for yourself
rustic vale
rather than exclusive is like a nice bonus
chrome wharf
Triple rockets can aim at range
chrome wharf
like hunting blades is amazing if youre on achilles but its not like something y...
My Eris 40 was blades plz
rustic vale
exclusive = nice bonus
Every other duo which out performs it is because you’ve got your build focused
warm nimbus
ok what im saying is its not crucial to the build lmao
chrome wharf
several people are typing
patent mesa
can't believe @warm nimbus would say that about the gun castspect I'm shaking and crying
warm nimbus
like generally you dont build for hunting blades on eris but you would on achilles
brisk trail
What is the best god for each weapon [eg Zeus boons, Ares boons, Artemis boons]
warm nimbus
maybe ramas a better example bc it doesnt have global damage buff lol
i mean most of the time its not just one boon thats good on the weapon
brisk trail
sorry if i'm annoying i just want to know what work with each weapon and what doesn't
rustic vale
Hmm
rustic vale
doom on arthur 🤨
patent mesa
something wrong with MErthur?
brisk trail
doom on arthur 🤨
i tried that earlier today and it is disgusting but in the good way
rustic vale
if it’s got high attack speed use flat damage option, and if it’s got high attack damage use high percentages
rustic vale
also don’t use zeus on chiron it doesn’t work the way you think it will
warm nimbus
this is the webpage thats generally recommended for just decent builds for all aspects
patent mesa
also don’t use zeus on chiron it doesn’t work the way you think it will
eh it's fine
rustic vale
it doesn’t perform as good as other things do
brisk trail
ok then and i don't know why but the bow and artemis just feels right
forest gust
Bow and Artemis is very solid
warm nimbus
wait wtf i just realized greater inferno is for those stupid pulses and not the attack
rustic vale
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-eris-rail
Yes, website = good
warm nimbus
idk how i didnt realize that lmao
patent mesa
bruh
patent mesa
ok that's it I'm running lucy 40 super soaker
warm nimbus
ok that's it I'm running lucy 40 super soaker
do 50
whole epoch
exclusive access is the best duo boon change my mind
I'd honestly argue that Heart Rend and Sea Storm are the best duo boons in the game
rustic vale
ok that's it I'm running lucy 40 super soaker
Do 66