h1-discussion

[restive trout]

to do what

[modest cipher]

Artemis and Aphrodite workshopping things they could do with the crystal cast.

"What if we made the crystals fire at Zagreus?"
"Um... what if... they fired at his enemies?"
"Forget you, I'm gonna do my thing."

[restive trout]

hah

i usually love me some aprhodite

weak and its empowering boons are immensely useful

the bonuses for health and pom rooms as well

[heavy sigil]

aphro %s are so high

[raw herald]

Duo boons are good as well

[modest cipher]

Charm Fists is my favorite build.

[restive trout]

also this

[raw herald]

ESEPCIALLY curse of longing

(Joke)

[modest cipher]

Constantly getting the people you are killing to be on your team.

[heavy sigil]

heartrend 😩😩😩🙏🙏

[restive trout]

Toxic Relationship, The Game

[icy knoll]

what is the point of cold embrace compared to crystal clarity

[raw herald]

None

[restive trout]

pissing you off

[icy knoll]

does it have any benefit at all

[restive trout]

making you angry

like seriously

[icy knoll]

that does not sound like a benefit

[restive trout]

it's terrible

it's one of the worst boons in the entire game

possibly number one worst

[raw herald]

Nah

Peer pressure

[void vigil]

its a pretty neat concept but it doesnt work that well

didnt they use to have a different duo?

[restive trout]

Peer pressure will often not give you any benefit, but cold embrace 100% disables your cast that could have been an enormous source of damage. It hinders you.

[raw herald]

Only because crystal clarity is way better

You can get used to cold embrace

But why do that when CC is so much stronger

[void vigil]

i guess if you want demeter in your pool

[raw herald]

Peer pressure is a downgrade all the time

Except for that one bug

[void vigil]

which one?

[restive trout]

Having neither is way better than cold embrace imho

[raw herald]

It’s some specific thing that makes it do 8x damage or something

Can’t quite recall how it happens

[void vigil]

i see

i know theres the spreadsheet somewhere i just havent looked at it yet

or maybe its just for beo bugs

[raw herald]

“if all the hangover stacks on something are from peer pressure, it applies the 8x multiplier for damage coming from sources other than zag”

[restive trout]

How? It just helps spread hangover

[raw herald]

It replaces hangover from your attack or special

Unless you Pom peer pressure so it’s more damage than your attack or special, it’s a downgrade

But why would you ever do that

[restive trout]

oh my god i didn't know that

why

well, TIL

I presumed it spread whatever was that was applied

Not its own chinese knock-off version of hangover

😆

[modest cipher]

I mean, I know when I'm around drunk people I can get a contact high, but it really isn't the same potency.

[restive trout]

Yeah, the problem is you don't get less drunk by being around someone more sober if you took 5 shots of vodka

[modest cipher]

That is factually true about my physiology, yes.

I suppose the main time peer pressure is good is when you have some amount of hangover but you aren't actually good at applying it in large amounts... like you put it on your gun special or something.

So bad choices were made.

[restive trout]

Yeah, including taking PP to fix it

[modest cipher]

Perhaps the real peer pressure is Dionysus telling you to take it even if you know it isn't a good boon.

[dry karma]

are there broken urns in elysium?

[restive trout]

Yup.

If you mean urns you can break and ear money, that is.

If you mean the Pest enemy that is an ash urn with souls throwing very annoying bombs, no.

[reef zodiac]

Honestly there is not

[restive trout]

(Speaking of which, nothing will ever be weirder in this game than deflecting the explosion of that bomb by punching in the direction of the center with an athena attack)

[reef zodiac]

There’s basically never ever a situation where it’s correct to keep a god keepsake on for a second biome after getting their boon

I’ve never done it, I’ve never seen a single speedrunner, high heat runner, hitless runner, etc do it

[restive trout]

I never did on purpose, but i was doing throwaway runs the other day and just forgot it there a few times, and I definitely got a lot of epic and legend boons on those runs

[reef zodiac]

I didn’t say the rarity is literally irrelevant, I said it’s always the wrong choice

[vale ocean]

i always just use persephone's keepsake

until styx

[patent mesa]

that's a common noob trap

blossom is not actually very good

especially not to keep on for multiple floors

[reef zodiac]

God keepsakes are basically always better than anything else for Tartarus

And often Asphodel as well

[vale ocean]

how so

[heavy sigil]

random poms usually dont do too much

[restive trout]

Yeah blossom is definitely not great

[patent mesa]

using it to start means you lose control of your build

[restive trout]

it's a few free poms but it doesn't compare to what other sakes do

[patent mesa]

then you start getting crap gods like ares to start

[heavy sigil]

the most u get is one pom into ur main boom but that doesnt mean much

[patent mesa]

and then the pom slices go on your crap god

[restive trout]

haha yes

if you get like 2 poms on the boons that need them by hades, count yourself lucky.

[heavy sigil]

standard keepsakes is just god -> god -> tooth/acorn -> acorn

[patent mesa]

so basically blossom is generally bad because

• early on it means you lose control of build
• later on it has too low a chance to hit what you want

it's actually my most used keepsake on my second hell mode save but that's only due to first room exploit

[vale ocean]

i remember one of my friends who has only beaten the game like once or twice and then stopped playing said ares was the best god lmao

[reef zodiac]

That’s an interesting take

[patent mesa]

well the worse you are the better doom is

so fair

[restive trout]

• finish 2 runs
• give out advice
• ???
• profit

[vale ocean]

i also thought dionysus was the best god for a while

still like dio but probably not best god

[restive trout]

Not a fan of dio in general. Unless you pair it with aphro in a few aspects.

[reef zodiac]

Imo: Zeus, Aphrodite, Artemis, Athena > Poseidon > Dionysus, Ares > Demeter

Ofc it depends on aspect

[heavy sigil]

artemis and athena is my top 2

[reef zodiac]

But overall that’s my ranking

[restive trout]

Waitaminute. Demeter alone has one of the most powerful and safest casts on the game.

[heavy sigil]

aphro % is rlly juicy tho

[reef zodiac]

casts?

Crystal Beam

[restive trout]

that bloody crystal plays the game for you if you get the artemis duo and the chill

[patent mesa]

beams are legitimately awful imo

[heavy sigil]

where would u rank hermes?

[reef zodiac]

You’re almost guaranteed to get two Hermes and can’t get more, so he’s way different. But he has some insane boons so he’d be above everyone I guess.
But Hermes is more like a hammer than a god

[heavy sigil]

true

[restive trout]

There is a reason his keepsake doesn't call him, it would be utterly broken

[reef zodiac]

It would be utterly unnecessary tbh

[patent mesa]

if his keepsake called him but he stayed capped it would be irrelevant

[heavy sigil]

yeah cuz u get him everyrun

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[patent mesa]

I think one time I got zero hermes just by luck as other chamber was always better

[restive trout]

you get him twice every run, with a keepsake putting him in the god poll normally, you could get 6-7 hermes

imagine that

[reef zodiac]

But as is, his keepsake increases your odds of getting hyper delivery if you don’t have any of his boons yet. Or Bad News. So it actually is good for that (and nothing else lol)

[restive trout]

100% ms + 100% ms on dash + 100% bonus attack dmg based on speed + attack speed

[restive trout]

It does what? How?

[patent mesa]

although I feel like if your first god is zeus there is somewhat merit in zag plume

you just lose control of asphodel god

rather than all control

[restive trout]

yeah the only time (and every time) i use plume is with zag fists and ruthless reflex

[patent mesa]

then you need to gamble on RD to actually have damage

so it's still a bad build

[restive trout]

Blocking With Your Face™️, the build.

[reef zodiac]

Plume is a prerequisite to Bad News and Rush Delivery

Meaning you can get RD and get sprint after

[patent mesa]

wow rude

forgetting about infernal legendary

[reef zodiac]

No I didn’t forget it

It’s just didn’t mention it

Because it’s not nearly as good

[restive trout]

❓ how do people even find that out? The game never says this anywhere.

[reef zodiac]

It does actually

[patent mesa]

rip greater recall

yeah just press C and look at hermes

[restive trout]

"press C"
*cringes in kb/m*

[reef zodiac]

Greater Recall is still good, but not in the league of Bad News and RD, who both increase your global damage by 50% (or possibly more with RD)

[reef zodiac]

Uh C is KBM

There’s no C on controller

[vale ocean]

i wish athena wouldnt give boons that replenish death defiances when you have full death defiances

[restive trout]

Yes, and kb/m sucks, that's what I'm saying.

[reef zodiac]

Oh

Well that’s not true

Just so you know

Many top speedrunners and high heat runners use KBM

It’s personal preference

[restive trout]

Indeed.
And in my personal preference, it sucks.

[patent mesa]

ok

[reef zodiac]

Well that’s not really how personal preference works

Because clearly it objectively does not suck since many speedrun world record holders (current or recent past) use KBM

[restive trout]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sesame-street-write-gif-4298020

[reef zodiac]

[patent mesa]

yeah for instance my personal preference is in taking lightning reflexes very often

is it actually good? no

[short glen]

I love gilgamesh, but it's not a good aspect

[restive trout]

I used gilgamesh once.

I went "nope" rather instantly.

[patent mesa]

god it's actually so bad it's hilarious

[void vigil]

the game may recommend controller but it doesnt mean kbm is unplayable in any way, it feels really good to play imo. ive never even tried controller in my 500 something hours on the game

[patent mesa]

who thought its dstrike damage was okay

[restive trout]

the same people who thought that slow of a weapon in kissing range was nice

[icy knoll]

goatgamesh

[short glen]

I don't know what any of it's numbers are, I just go "dash dash dash strike strike strike"

[icy knoll]

everybody❤️gilgamesh

[patent mesa]

you've changed my mind

gilgamesh op easy 62 heat

[reef zodiac]

Sword in general? Or just Arthur?

Or Gilga

[patent mesa]

tbh I think arthur is fine

[icy knoll]

gilga probably

[void vigil]

arthur has good range

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Arthur is fine

[patent mesa]

it's really low skill floor so a good aspect to have in game

[void vigil]

its also pretty fun

[icy knoll]

it's a pretty slow weapon with close range

[restive trout]

No, gilga. Arthur is slow af but it has other things going for it to compensate for that. Gilga has nothing going for it. "Oh it maims". F great.

[short glen]

Arthur is super slow but also it does like a million damage

[icy knoll]

60 damage per hit isn't anything to scoff at though

[reef zodiac]

Sword is also pretty fast, it’s just extremely hard to use and has low damage with a terrible attack combo

[reef zodiac]

Oh then yeah definitely. Gilga is so insanely slow

[void vigil]

but hey it looks cool

[reef zodiac]

And it’s dashes suck

[patent mesa]

gilgamesh is bad because it has built in doom and ares sucks

[restive trout]

plus sword has at least some range, gilga is an aspect of the CLOSEST weapon possible, it needs to be fast or you're gonna get pummeled

[reef zodiac]

But dash only gilga is kinda fun at least

I did 40 heat with Gilgamesh basically dash only because the attack and special are so unsafe

[restive trout]

haha exactly

god

that sounds like torture

i would need to put my hand on ice after that

[reef zodiac]

It wasnt too bad actually. 40 heat is pretty chill

[patent mesa]

eh gilga has flurry dash

[reef zodiac]

Nah you literally just hold the button, not bad at all

[patent mesa]

so won't carpel tunnel you too bad

[reef zodiac]

In fact, dash only gilga is probably the least demanding weapon in terms of inputs in the game

[restive trout]

furry dash?

xD

[patent mesa]

that's probably why it's such a noob trap

it takes negative key inputs

[reef zodiac]

I still think it’s interesting how it seems like nearly every new player falls in love with Chiron and Arthur but never plays Hestia

[restive trout]

That's because the standard reload bind is brain cancer.

[icy knoll]

wait does chaos react if you die by a chaos curse in his room

[reef zodiac]

Not possible

[restive trout]

He reacts regardless of where you die if the damage comes from the curse.

[reef zodiac]

Curses like “maimed” will put you to 1hp but they can’t kill you

[icy knoll]

huh

[reef zodiac]

Very useful to know that

[patent mesa]

can't you die via hazard

what do they think about that

[reef zodiac]

Oh yeah true

Idk

[restive trout]

wait what? I'm pretty sure i had him as a watermark on the left side of the screen, same way gods show up when you die in a trial

[reef zodiac]

Yes

If you die with his curse active, he says some stuff

[restive trout]

Huh.

[reef zodiac]

I just said you can’t die in his room since his curses alone can’t kill you

If you die after his room, he says some stuff

[restive trout]

his curses alone can’t kill you
Yeah this here is the TIL part

[icy knoll]

i'm gonna try dying via hazard bomb in his room

[reef zodiac]

Very important to know

[restive trout]

how will you get a hazard bomb in his room?

[reef zodiac]

You get it before his room?

[patent mesa]

do their curses stutter you on hit?

[reef zodiac]

And then use it in his room?

[reef zodiac]

No

[patent mesa]

oh so not too bad to hestia 1hp it up on SD

[restive trout]

[icy knoll]

does td count as a curse

[reef zodiac]

In fact, they can give you a shield if you use it rapidly enough with low hp, even if you’re at 1hp the whole time

[patent mesa]

sometimes I'm cursing it halfway through elysium

[restive trout]

outside of hell mode, i presume

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[patent mesa]

hm what's fastest attacking weapon

[reef zodiac]

Don’t curse TD, curse JS and BP

[reef zodiac]

Lucifer

[pale barn]

I once got Swift Strike Heroic on the arthur aspect

probably one of the most fun runs i had

[raw herald]

Lucifer attack

[patent mesa]

nice so get eternal and heroic strike on it with chaos attack curse

[reef zodiac]

Chaos ASMR

[raw herald]

Rama special with relentless probably shoots out more attacks per second tho

[reef zodiac]

It’s so loud

[patent mesa]

but each rama special only counts as one special right

[raw herald]

Yeah

Wait what are you trying to figure out

[pale barn]

my fav has to be Hazard bomb on the rail tho. fitted with artemis special boon

you clear chambers so fast xd

[restive trout]

one advatange of the kb/m, in that regard, is that i dont special with guns at all on controller because the aim is poo poo

[raw herald]

It’s fine

[restive trout]

at least until i get the rocket hammer

[pale barn]

Yeah circular targeted specials are pretty annoying with controller

[raw herald]

It’s better on kbm but it’s completely fine on controller

[pale barn]

sometimes on the very last frame it changes

super annoying

[raw herald]

That’s because it hits an obstacle

[reef zodiac]

As a controller player, auto-aim on rail special is not great. But what are you gonna do, use aim at cursor on rail?

[raw herald]

Not because targeting is jank

[patent mesa]

not being able to aim those sounds horrific

I can't even imagine

[raw herald]

Or because you cast at the same time

Which is just a weird bug

[reef zodiac]

Also if I use special frame one of Furies fight, it goes into a random corner every single time and I do not know why

[raw herald]

Casting

[pale barn]

Everytime i get divine dash on my hitless run attempts i make it way further

still cant beat hades tho :S

[restive trout]

divine dash is one of the most useful crutches while learning the game

[pale barn]

yeah just dash into the enemy projectiles

easy xd

[patent mesa]

can only assume there's already a meme of the bell curve chart with respect to divine dash

[restive trout]

pair that with extra dashes and you're just dancing around everything safely

[reef zodiac]

Idk man as

[raw herald]

Someone with

[pale barn]

i wish it stacked with the zeus lighting dash

[reef zodiac]

Lmao why

[pale barn]

so all you do the entire run is just dash around XD

[fast willow]

wait actually

[pale barn]

might be super slow tho

[raw herald]

Just get lightning reflexes

[reef zodiac]

Use tidal dash instead

[restive trout]

just get the poseidon dash and stack bonuses on it

[raw herald]

Yeah

[fast willow]

how do you play eris on controller before rocket bomb

[patent mesa]

lightning reflexes is better than zeus dash imo

[restive trout]

you don't

[reef zodiac]

Tidal dash does like 4x the damage of Thunder dash with a much bigger AOE

[restive trout]

😆

[raw herald]

It’s fine idk why people have an issue with it

Just press the button

[mint coral]

10 40 heat wins

[raw herald]

It places it in the right place

[raw herald]

Under my belt

[pale barn]

Poseidon attack with the shield of chaos was one of the funniest things, Just yeet enemies from one end to the other

[vale ocean]

i liked divine dash for a while before i remembered you already get iframes from dashes then it was just alright for me

[fast willow]

it auto targets an enemy right?

[raw herald]

Yeah

[reef zodiac]

Well only because Zeus dash takes a slot. But obviously LR will trigger on way less than 50% of your dashes. More like 3-6%

[fast willow]

but at times you dont want to fire it at an enemy

[restive trout]

pair that with poseidon dash and then you're pushing them in every direction across the room with dstrikes

[raw herald]

It’s way higher than that lol

[patent mesa]

tbh I think it triggers way more than that

[reef zodiac]

Is it?

[patent mesa]

like almost 100% of the time vs some enemies

[raw herald]

Just look at how often it procs in lernie fight and furies

[patent mesa]

it's extremely generous

[reef zodiac]

No shot

[icy knoll]

i got into chaos with hazard bomb

[reef zodiac]

There’s no way dude

[icy knoll]

let's see what happens

[raw herald]

Dash during a lernie roar, and it will proc 100%

[patent mesa]

trust

[icy knoll]

should i die before or after accepting the boon

[reef zodiac]

I do not

[patent mesa]

vs fury it's almost every dash

[reef zodiac]

Genuinely I need proof to believe it

[reef zodiac]

Against Meg? Or Tis?

[raw herald]

Dash% runs

[patent mesa]

all tbh

[mint coral]

Wait is the roar that procs RR there?

[patent mesa]

they all spam attacks

[reef zodiac]

No shot

[mint coral]

Lmao

[raw herald]

Yeah

[restive trout]

[reef zodiac]

Do you have a clip?

[restive trout]

TILsomuch

[reef zodiac]

I’ve never seen this in my life

[patent mesa]

uh

[short glen]

What would you recommend, because yeah trying to manage that keybinding made it 1 million percent more stressful because it's just awkwardly placed and I'm bad

[patent mesa]

I think I started taking LR more frequently after seeing it on an EM4 hitless run

it procced an absurd amount

[reef zodiac]

You’re saying you’re double dashing and every single dash gives you a bolt? There’s just no way

[pale barn]

I set it to LB or L1

[restive trout]

Exchange with the codex bind, which you rarely use

[icy knoll]

that was weird

[pale barn]

yeah

exactly xd

[icy knoll]

i died, but the animation didn't play

the whole death cinematic thing played but zag was not visible

[patent mesa]

idk just try it yourself honestly

you might be surprised

[reef zodiac]

I have

[raw herald]

https://streamable.com/d8rxoj

[reef zodiac]

It sucks

In my experience

[icy knoll]

it was just a black screen with "there is no escape"

[reef zodiac]

It procs a lot against Lernie yes

[icy knoll]

i guess that's what happens when you die in chaos, you disappear

[reef zodiac]

But no other bosses really

[restive trout]

You've been hit by a smooth criminal bug

[reef zodiac]

Butterfly balls ig

[patent mesa]

nah it does that vs fury

[pale barn]

"i am speed"

[patent mesa]

and it's really great in elysium vs splitters

[reef zodiac]

Do you have a clip?

[patent mesa]

nope

[icy knoll]

should i record it

[reef zodiac]

What? Why? They only explode once each

[pale barn]

Alright screw hitless, im gonna go for the last skellys price at 32 heat

[reef zodiac]

What weapon are you using where you’re empty dashing this often?

[restive trout]

Speaking of splitters, in hell mode i'm more scared of them than any boss.
That insta-kill if you're in kissing range when they attack is ooph

[patent mesa]

I'm pretty sure if you dash in the vicinity of any of their projectiles it'll proc LR

no need to empty dash

[reef zodiac]

Most furies literally do not attack enough for this to work though

Even on FO2 EM1

[raw herald]

They attack basically all the time

Especially during the big spray they do

[vale ocean]

what do you guys think are the worst enemies

[patent mesa]

don't they all have that spam bullet hell attack

[restive trout]

maybe with the exception of alecto because the blades keep proccing it

[reef zodiac]

They attack at the same speed as your dashes refresh?

[vale ocean]

i hate the armored bow enemies in elysium and the armored poison spitting guys in styx

[patent mesa]

way more often

[raw herald]

Either way it’s way more than 3-6%

[reef zodiac]

Still, you can’t really hit her while staying close enough to her blades

[restive trout]

armored shielded soldiers in elysium

[reef zodiac]

Yeah for furies it’s probably like 25%

[patent mesa]

for LR you don't need to dash in sync with an attack I believe

[raw herald]

And 25% ain’t too bad when it doesn’t take a core slot

[patent mesa]

just a projectile

[reef zodiac]

But for normal rooms it’s like 3-6%

[raw herald]

That’s half of thunder dash

[reef zodiac]

But it’s furies

[patent mesa]

nah way higher in normal rooms

[reef zodiac]

Nah

I’ve used it and it rarely does anything

[patent mesa]

uh idk

try it again I guess

[restive trout]

I'd say it depends on the weapons. Zag fists on FO2 will definitely be very high %.

[patent mesa]

ew

[reef zodiac]

I don’t mean I used it once. I mean I very regularly end up with it on 50 heat runs and it is not a good boon

[reef zodiac]

Wtf no
You’ll just get hit by the attacks because you have no i-frames while dash striking. Not a near miss if you get hit

[raw herald]

Idk man as someone with over 10 50 heat runs under my belt I will literally take lightning reflex over any other Zeus boon in the game

[restive trout]

Another good aspect for it is arthur since you can keep dashing around very slow projectiles to proc it.

[reef zodiac]

???

Why would you

Just attack the enemy

[restive trout]

That's why FO2 runs with fists require you to time letting go of the attack, so you can empty dash.

[patent mesa]

this is clouded judgement erasure

best boon

[raw herald]

Clouded 🤮

Storm lightning, now THATS a boon

[patent mesa]

+6 and even more on poms

[raw herald]

+200% multiplicative chain lightning damage at heroic

[patent mesa]

that's a huge multiplicative increase

[reef zodiac]

Don’t fists have the flurry slash/jab thing where you can’t empty dash right after an attack?

[patent mesa]

broken

[reef zodiac]

I thought they did

[raw herald]

Idk haven’t played fists in about a year

[reef zodiac]

Fists as so bad

[patent mesa]

buff idea: the quadruplet fists of malphon

[restive trout]

I mean, I know you can constantly empty dash, I'm not sure how the mechanics behind it work or are called. But the main skill in zag fist (+ruthless reflex + plume) runs is timing the empty dash.

[patent mesa]

fixed

[reef zodiac]

Sword is like interesting fists

[raw herald]

Imagine if fists had double punch

Op

[reef zodiac]

RR Zag fists

[raw herald]

RR on anything that isnt shield

[patent mesa]

bro no offense but can we drop the RR zag plume build

[restive trout]

Yeah I like my 100% to dodge after a near miss 🤷‍♀️

[patent mesa]

bruh

[raw herald]

I love dying to em4

[reef zodiac]

Cool. Good luck ever getting that with one dash

[icy knoll]

i can definitely replicate the chaos bug

[reef zodiac]

Also good luck doing any damage at all

[icy knoll]

i got it recorded, now i just need to crop it and post it

[reef zodiac]

RR on fists is not just bad, it’s not just awful, it’s borderline unplayable

[patent mesa]

but RR buffs the common ares attack that tartarus plume forces you into

[reef zodiac]

Except gilga obviously

[patent mesa]

= op build

[pale barn]

Still not getting my infernal arms achievement 😢

[reef zodiac]

Ares attack is fine. It’s more like Demeter attack

[pale barn]

I claimed the prophecy reward but still nothing

[restive trout]

It's how I do consistently my highest heat runs that I can'd do with most other weapon/aspects, so I'm not convinced.

[patent mesa]

lol wait I thought demeter attack was better than others on fists

[reef zodiac]

No

% on fists is super bad

[patent mesa]

as in not good but not trash tier

[reef zodiac]

Because the base damage is so embarrassing

Lol but I should have said Poseidon attack because that’s by far the worst, so bad that I forgot it existed

[raw herald]

Fists high heat strategy is dio attack divine dash

[restive trout]

Demeter on attack is nice if you can get attack speed and the burst with 10 stacks

[patent mesa]

malphon tempest strike lmaoooo

your only dps would be wall bounce

[restive trout]

i made this mistake once.

i quickly realized it wasnt gonna work

[patent mesa]

r/hades would still recommend doing that with sea storm because apparently any knockback + sea storm is op

[restive trout]

WHUDDATHUNK PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY ON THE CLOSE RANGE WEAPON WAS BAD

It's funny, it's one of the common noob mistakes on martial training too. In a lot of different martials. Trying to combo a push and a punch or elbow. Like bruh it's not gonna land.

[reef zodiac]

Fists gain DPS by having more dashes. Same with sword, flurry jab spear, and non-Lucifer rail. If you use RR, you basically do 1/3 less damage, if not more. And also give up your ability to actually get out of the way of attacks. And since you’re claiming it’s so important to empty dash attacks, then you’re not even getting to offensively dash strike at all because then you’ll be a sitting duck. It’s just bad for so so many reasons. Also you can’t even get RD to proc much because you only have a single dash. Especially if you avoid extra dashes from Hermes like you claimed you do

[restive trout]

Fists gain DPS by having more dashes.
Please elaborate.

[bold wing]

Any new fun builds anyone wanna recommend that doesn’t include Poseidon?

[reef zodiac]

Dash striking does more damage and more quickly

Every good fists run you could find is spamming dash strikes

[icy knoll]

#h1-tech-support for the bug

[reef zodiac]

That’s a core fundamental of the weapon

[raw herald]

Nearly every weapon gets a DPS benefit with extra dashes

[reef zodiac]

Every weapon except shield and bow

Although even those can chase enemies better with more dashes

[patent mesa]

time for RR bow

[reef zodiac]

No

[patent mesa]

too late I'm already on EM4 with one dash

[reef zodiac]

You need to be able to make space between you and enemies

[restive trout]

I see. Yeah that's 100% not how i do zag's.

[reef zodiac]

This is quite literally the reason Rama can’t do 61+ heat

[restive trout]

I mean in FO2 it ends up being that anyway, but

[reef zodiac]

Well how long are your runs usually

[restive trout]

Hmm. 32 heat I usually do... 22-26 minutes. Depending on sack.

[patent mesa]

oh dear

[restive trout]

Well and rng in general.

[icy knoll]

does anyone know what could cause zag to disappear

[reef zodiac]

No idea

[restive trout]

a bug

xD

[patent mesa]

if you're pushing TD2 even on 5sack that's just indicative of a chronic lack of dps

[reef zodiac]

TD2

[restive trout]

Have you stopped to think how insignificantly small of a % of players actually keep within TD3 times and specify the builds and gameplay to do so?

[reef zodiac]

What

32 heat is way easier with TD3

[patent mesa]

what

honestly with core heat, TD3, and LC4, there's basically nothing left to turn on for 32

[void vigil]

td3 is hard

td2 is way easier

[restive trout]

That's not my point. My point is that by far, and wide, and large, and tall, most people don't do under-20 runs. You want to be pedantic about only the builds that allow that, you have the high heat channel for that.

[patent mesa]

obviously you have builds that can't consistently make TD3 with decent gameplay

[restive trout]

And? Sue me.

[patent mesa]

by definition they lack dps and are inferior to builds on the same aspects that can make TD3 consistently

[restive trout]

That's great. I don't care.

[patent mesa]

ok

[void vigil]

not everyone has to play the game optimally, the best way to play is the way you have the most fun

[raw herald]

TD3 is harder than TD2 but 32 heat with TD3 is easier because you don’t have to take the other options

And building towards a build with high DPS will make the game both easier and quicker

[patent mesa]

obviously, but hades discussion wouldn't be much if it was like the subreddit where every comment is some bad build someone had fun with once

[restive trout]

It's easier if you focus on dps. If you focus on safety, not so much.

[patent mesa]

when I was newer I wanted to know how to actually play well, the subreddit led me in the wrong direction due to the culture of fun >> effectiveness

[mint coral]

Embrace weird builds

Then when the idea doesnt work

[void vigil]

it also wouldnt be much if it was only people sharing what they had fun with and people saying immediately that their fun is wrong

[raw herald]

Heartbreak strike/flourish plus smoldering air Zeus aid has insane DPS and safety

Go for both

[restive trout]

That's great for you, but most people are not trying to even get the third statue, much less learn strategies for 30-40-50 heat.

[raw herald]

That’s 2 boons and one duo

Not infeasible at all

[restive trout]

Oh that's nice, a grand total of one build i will play with for 500 runs, sounds fun.

[patent mesa]

?

[raw herald]

That is one example

[pale barn]

when i first started playing i just took every boon offered and almost 0 poms (only if they were the only thing offered)

mixed bag builds

[raw herald]

Add divine dash to any speedrun build and it will still have high DPS and safety

[mint coral]

I've tried artic blast eris once

[raw herald]

Eg eris

[mint coral]

It was pain

[restive trout]

won't clear styx rooms in a blink like poseidon's dash

[patent mesa]

yep learning that on a lot of builds the majority of boons are borderline useless compared to poms is a big aha moment

[raw herald]

My Beowulf PB has a 32 second styx with divine dash

And tiny vermin

[icy knoll]

literally any good dps build will clear styx rooms in a blink

[raw herald]

You don’t need tidal dash to yeet styx

[patent mesa]

styx is overrated imo

it'll dps you down in half a second but it doesn't tend to be an issue imo

[restive trout]

it makes a big f difference on a 5 sack

[patent mesa]

lol what

obviously

[raw herald]

5 sack is a run killer in itself

[pearl relic]

Anyone remember how many times I have to talk to Patroclus before I can start giving him ambrosia? Every time I run into him he's with Achilles and I can't give him ambrosia, last conversation that took place was about the arena and who'd be better in it.

[restive trout]

See, that is only the case on TD3. Which is exactly why there is a room for high heat, and a general room.

[void vigil]

i believe you can only gift him when hes alone?

[patent mesa]

that's correct

[void vigil]

a bit of a bummer but its the same with eurydice

[raw herald]

What other pact options are you going to take instead of td3? All the other ones are harder

[patent mesa]

I think early on he'll be with achilles 24/7

but later he's alone much more often

[restive trout]

Nothing is more annoying to finish than Hypnos' plot. So many pre requisites to unlock the ambrosia...

[void vigil]

i remember when i was trying to get the onion conversation from eury, i got the onion, and orpheus was there... so sad

[restive trout]

https://tenor.com/view/privacy-give-us-a-second-give-us-some-privacy-alone-please-leave-gif-13596467

[patent mesa]

at the end of the day the fact that what makes a good and consistent build is also what happens to handle TD well makes TD3 almost the first heat a player should learn if they wanna do well

so I'm 100% fine with the bias towards TD3 completing builds

[restive trout]

alma to orpheus xD

[void vigil]

nowadays even my 0 heat runs are ~20 mins and i have good dps, i think i just take my time

[pearl relic]

I'm just curious about how many runs I'll have to do before I can start giving ambrosia assuming I run into him on 50% of my runs. Any good guesses? 10 runs?

[reef zodiac]

Not at 32 heat. TD2 means you need to find 3 extra heat somewhere, and that 3 heat is gonna actually hurt you where TD3 just makes you learn to ply fast and it’s free

[patent mesa]

eh when there's no TD you naturally just play slower

[restive trout]

Good for you, but once you tell me "let's drop build X because it doesn't do TD3" which is telling me to shup up, then we have a problem.

[raw herald]

Tbh

All builds can do td3

[patent mesa]

I'm saying I think you should stop bringing your RR zag plume build into every discussion because it's objectively not good

[reef zodiac]

Believe it or not, it’s easier to win when you’re doing more damage

[restive trout]

sue me

[patent mesa]

you can play whatever you want obviously, it's your game

ok

[reef zodiac]

If you optimize your build for seemingly minimum damage, and also heavily restrict your ability to dodge attacks, you’re gonna have an incredibly hard time clearing anything compared to a good weapon with a good build

[raw herald]

Just saying, recommending td3 early works, I’ve seen so many people work their way up to 50+ heat here so the advice is generally good here

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[restive trout]

There is a room for 50 heat. This isn't it.

[reef zodiac]

What

What isn’t it

[void vigil]

this is not #h1-high-heat-strategies or even #h1-builds-and-combat for discussing optimal builds, everyone is allowed to discuss whatever build they like

[patent mesa]

TD3 isn't 50 heat exclusive

it's a basic skill even a 16 heater would do well to learn

[raw herald]

But if someone came to high heat strats and wanted to beat 32, I’d recommend td3

[restive trout]

So you're gonna be pedantic about the room name as well suggesting they should create a room for each pact condition so people can talk about stuff that only works up to a certain difficulty freely here? Is that your point?

[patent mesa]

no

[restive trout]

jesus

[reef zodiac]

Wow

[reef zodiac]

Keep beating that straw man

[vale ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881621566469832785/973991405892550747/unknown.png bruhhh

[patent mesa]

my point is that the knowledge that builds that happen to do well under TD applies to everyone, not just high heat

[void vigil]

lets drop this topic, alright

[patent mesa]

but sure go ahead and be toxic to me lol

[restive trout]

Oh I'm being toxic.

You're literally telling me to shut up about my gameplay

and i'm toxic.

[patent mesa]

I mean if I started talking about zeus attack hestia every time someone mentioned anything I'd expect to be told to shut up

[restive trout]

You know what, you want this server be exclusive for the tryhards that think they're anything more in life because they play game X on difficulty Y, I'll grant you that. Have a nice life.

[patent mesa]

???

uh hello mods lol

[fast willow]

i mean your friend is right, ares boons are pretty good on stuff like fists

hes not that bad

not the "best god" or anything

but not that bad

[reef zodiac]

I’m your resident Ares hater

[mint coral]

Im neutral

Tho i hate ME

[fast willow]

pancake pls you have to admit that doom on fists is the best option you can take

[reef zodiac]

Only with ME

If you’re not building ME then I think it sucks

[fast willow]

but youre always building ME?

thats the point of the build

[reef zodiac]

Not on AP2 you’re not

[patent mesa]

I pray to ares every night before bed

lord please grant me impending doom

[fast willow]

well yeah im talking about lower heat

on AP you just take drunk fists or whatever

[reef zodiac]

What I’m saying is that ME is the best build yes. But Ares attack needs ME to not be garbage

[fast willow]

idk what they do for high heat fists

[reef zodiac]

I think it’s drunken strike, yeah

[patent mesa]

the demeter run highrolled splitting bolt

[devout terrace]

why is it every time I look at this channel

[heavy sigil]

^^ i used to be so scared of td3

now its the first heat i put on at any heat level

right to td3

just try it out, it sounds a lot worse then it actually is

[chrome yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853552303612100628/974005568085844029/unknown.png

getting 2 legendaries feels amazing

i also have hunting blades lol

[heavy sigil]

wait the guy actually left

[patent mesa]

Ngl, back in my day that was just called cheating.

[raw herald]

[chrome yoke]

are you referring to me?

[raw herald]

No

[chrome yoke]

oh okay

sorry

[patent mesa]

nice rng though

[raw herald]

Yeah 2 legendaries is pretty cool

[vale ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/881621566469832785/974013776904998952/unknown.png i dont like this wording

does leveling up guan yu actually lower the life gain

[raw herald]

No

It lowers the life loss

-70% hp is 30hp

-50% hp is 50hp

[vale ocean]

ok good the wording is just weird

[patent mesa]

wait is gyu mega cracked in modded

I need to start playing modded if so

[raw herald]

It’s pretty good with guaranteed charged skewer

[patent mesa]

good for 40?

I heard that gyu can tank and almost benefits from JS

[raw herald]

It’ll be fine for 40 yeah

[patent mesa]

let me draft a pact for it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/974015659845513217/unknown.png ?

[raw herald]

Looks fine to me

[patent mesa]

HL seems terrifying

not sure if HL3 is better than JS2

and I guess gyu is one of the best HS aspects

[mint coral]

You have range, so you can stay away from the enemies

[gray apex]

It's easy 50 to some

[patent mesa]

lol won't be for me that's for sure

[gray apex]

The guaranteed hammer is too good

[raw herald]

I did ME for 40

[patent mesa]

what the heck

that's messed up

[raw herald]

ME is gy speed meta

[mint coral]

Gy gud me weapon (modded at least)

[patent mesa]

sad

[raw herald]

And with high rarity divine flourish it’s basically heartbreak flourish

[patent mesa]

my plan was just aphro special ddash

then maybe athena attack since that's pretty good

[gray apex]

That works fine

[patent mesa]

oh how about AP1

[raw herald]

Free with modded

[patent mesa]

seems fine on gyu

[raw herald]

Like, actually free

[gray apex]

If you do those id take AP1

[patent mesa]

I guess gyu just wants hearts mostly lol

[raw herald]

Yea

[patent mesa]

now what to cut

[raw herald]

CF2 and HS

Imo

[patent mesa]

man everyone loves CF1/0

I need to learn to abuse it

wait what if CF0

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/974017170222743642/unknown.png

[devout terrace]

gy bad for 40-55

[mint coral]

I like money

[devout terrace]

Then it becomes god tier

For no reason

[raw herald]

????

[devout terrace]

???? Dude I dont get it either

Why is it so easy

Ive gotten to phase 3 twice in like 25 attempts

On 60

[raw herald]

Wtf

[gray apex]

Dont really need it

[raw herald]

Lol

[devout terrace]

It should be horrible

[gray apex]

Guan yu is just safe for no reason

[devout terrace]

Unironically

I don't understand why

[patent mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/974017687103627264/unknown.png ok changed pact a little more

[raw herald]

Gy… good?

[patent mesa]

I'm ready to go

[raw herald]

Go for it 👍

[gray apex]

perfect

[patent mesa]

pact is easy, already at EM4

[warm nimbus]

totally normal pact right there

[patent mesa]

that reminds me of a question someone posed

what's the worst 32 pact for any aspect

[raw herald]

Probably RI4 FO2 LC4 talos

Add extra horrible-ness

[mint coral]

You still want td ig

To not turtle all the time

[gray apex]

You wont survive don’t worry

[patent mesa]

oh let's say the challenge is design a pact that'll give someone who can pick any aspect the most headache

so you can't just pick talos or gilga

[raw herald]

Where’s the online pact maker

[devout terrace]

Randomised 64 heat

[raw herald]

So true

[mint coral]

Got ri4 em4 how unlucky

[patent mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676266365123952689/974019517745336360/unknown.png I'm thinking something like this

AP2 to encourage shackle, DC2 to shut that down

[gray apex]

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/

[raw herald]

https://imgur.com/a/kJK8N9K probably this

Hmm ap0 still allows an ok build ig

[patent mesa]

hestia?

[raw herald]

Hestia op

1 dash super dad probably means rip

[patent mesa]

but AP0 lets you highroll greflex

[raw herald]

True

[patent mesa]

wait does RI4 disable SD

[raw herald]

Yes

[patent mesa]

good lord

how is 64 possible wtf

[raw herald]

It disables the whole mirror

[mint coral]

Without DF is not rare you will run into a key too

[patent mesa]

isn't your only healing hearts

[raw herald]

New rule: authority

[raw herald]

Yes

[gray apex]

Cursed slash

[raw herald]

[patent mesa]

oh wait does stubborn roots work lol

[raw herald]

Ye

[patent mesa]

so it just heals you constantly

[mint coral]

Message dupped lol

[patent mesa]

that's kinda hilarious

[mint coral]

You need chaos dd/skelly tooth slot empty to get it first no?

[patent mesa]

good question

[slim geyser]

you do

[raw herald]

Oh

Then it’s garbage

[patent mesa]

wait so having a DD slot is prereq for stubborn roots

I do remember seeing that patty straight up gives you two choices with RI4

[raw herald]

Maybe not a prereq but it may just not do anything

Except sell for 400

[vale ocean]

shoutout to MM

favorite pact

[mint coral]

Mm fun

Makes barge less annoying

[patent mesa]

MM barge is way more fun

nice

[mint coral]

Tho is not like i've seen it in months

[heavy sigil]

wjat is this for?

[patent mesa]

tbh wouldn't barge be advantageous in high heat

[raw herald]

Worst pact

At 32

[heavy sigil]

oh

[vale ocean]

imagine getting on a boat and you immediatly hear the first 3 seconds of barge of death ost

[mint coral]

Prob but witches/power couple still faster

[patent mesa]

ah I see

so probably easier but still longer

[heavy sigil]

take away the td1 for smth else

[vale ocean]

what does MM even do the the witches

[patent mesa]

the danger of TD0 is zeus camping

[mint coral]

You want td1 so you cant just camp

[heavy sigil]

o hm

[raw herald]

I think it makes them shoot bigger projectiles

[mint coral]

I thibk you cant destroy the "shielded" projectiles?

[patent mesa]

yeah

but can still deflect

[heavy sigil]

i feel like this is doable if ur just good at em4 tho

just bc ap0 lets u build

wait nvm RI4 💀

[patent mesa]

lol

[heavy sigil]

i mean

pray for hermes dash

[patent mesa]

the problem is SD

[heavy sigil]

isnt that normal high heats tho

and its HL0

[patent mesa]

uh

no SD that is

[heavy sigil]

OH

uhh

[patent mesa]

that's the problem

[heavy sigil]

uhhhh

💀💀

oh nah

[patent mesa]

lmao

[mint coral]

You dont lose SD till what 61+?

[patent mesa]

62 is still RI3 right

leaving SD intact

[mint coral]

Angel did 62 mirrorless iirc

[heavy sigil]

sheesh

[patent mesa]

yikes

what did they leave alone

[raw herald]

CP2 LC4

[heavy sigil]

ap?

[patent mesa]

DC?

oh that's smart

aspect?

[raw herald]

Zag shiel

[gray apex]

Zag Shield

[mint coral]

Best shield

[patent mesa]

that's cracked

[heavy sigil]

angel op

[gray apex]

Indeed

[signal aspen]

They kinda good

[devout terrace]

owo

[signal aspen]

uuw

[devout terrace]

[heavy sigil]

uwu

[devout terrace]

When is your unmodded 60

[signal aspen]

idk when i feel like it

[devout terrace]

Should only take about 3 attempts 🙂

[signal aspen]

should i just skip 51-59 and do 60

[devout terrace]

That'd be based

55 zeus is just fun tbh

With the ri0 pact you get some silly builds

[heavy sigil]

i think 55 is

[signal aspen]

that means ap2 tho

[slim geyser]

50 and 60 are the same difficulty anyway

[signal aspen]

im not doing that

[heavy sigil]

yeah 50 -> 60 sounds like 💀😩😔

[devout terrace]

I actually do 55 modded zeus once every few days

Its fun

[signal aspen]

casual gamer

[heavy sigil]

💀

[signal aspen]

remember when you casually beat 61

[devout terrace]

I do actually

That was silly

[signal aspen]

i wish i could do that

just boot up hades and get a couple of wrs

[devout terrace]

I think my 61 pact is actually wrong in hindsight

Because DC2 isnt as bad compared to CP2

I took cp2 dc1 for my ri3 runs

Which is wrong probably

[signal aspen]

just turn all the heat on

[raw herald]

Just beat hades 😹

SMH

[serene zephyr]

hey all new to the game 😛

[reef zodiac]

The difference between 50 and 60 is probably about the size of the difference between 0 and 50
(- a player who has never gotten close to 60 so I have no reason to know that this is the case)

[icy knoll]

heat climbs super exponentially in this game

wouldn't be surprised if the difference between 62 and 64 was the same as 0 and 62, no sd is an oof

[odd canopy]

Hottest character and why is it dionysus.

[chrome wharf]

Poison makes you burn up inside

[slim geyser]

hottest character and why is it literally any of the female characters

game too gay for me

[odd canopy]

Also true.

[chrome wharf]

*Poseidon

[slim geyser]

poison also does that so youre not wrong

[chrome wharf]

sorry I'm too gay in the other direction

[chrome wharf]

I meant to say poison lol

but Poseidon is hotter cooler

[odd canopy]

I do think Hermes is best boi soley because he doesn't partake in who's your favorite relative contests.

[slim geyser]

fair

i don’t know man

[chrome wharf]

there are leftover texts in the game files that imply he used to be in trials

[odd canopy]

Well I'm choosing to interpret the fact he isn't as he is above that.

[chrome wharf]

well they were never implemented according to EA ers so

[odd canopy]

😢

Demeter regal as hecc tho

[icy knoll]

hades subreddit moment
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/unkaes/took_me_59_tries_but_boy_this_build_was_crazy/

don't you love the crazy fast 31 minute aspect of talos build

[signal aspen]

This isn't that bad

Actually kinda good

One of the better first clears I've seen

[slim geyser]

kind of rude to mock someones victory like that but okay

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[slim geyser]

especially since its their first one

[patent mesa]

30min is about what you should expect in first clear

[chrome wharf]

nothings really that cursed besides dark regen

I didn't even know how to organize the victory screen on my first win

[reef zodiac]

Well there are definitely things that are more cursed

But yeah it’s just a first clear screenshot so idk it be that way

[latent moon]

i think everyone's first clear was cursed in some way lol

[strange skiff]

Is Artemis call legitimate or a joke at high level? Is it possible to one shot || dad ||? Or any of || his phases ||?

[slim geyser]

definitely cant one shot dad

[gray apex]

You cant one shot the whole thing, it cant go through phases, with a good enough call you can definitely one shot some of the smaller phases tho, maybe more depending on what you have, there are better calls for the most part, and lesser artemis calls are garbage, which makes its only use the greater call, it’s somewhat underwhelming

[icy knoll]

wasn't mocking the build was just mocking the "crazy fast"

[heavy sigil]

my first clear was pretty standard

[slim geyser]

still their first victory dude

[heavy sigil]

ok nvm dio attack on bow lmao

[strange skiff]

Yeah makes sense. I used to pick it a lot for fun but I'm useless with it. Once I hit ||dad|| for what looked like 70% which is why I asked about the phases. I may just have misremembered

[gray apex]

In phase 2 the phases are 50/50

So much more room there

But doing that much damage feels a bit unlikely like you much have so many buffs

[heavy sigil]

also u dont need to spoiler here

[strange skiff]

Ok thx

[strange skiff]

Ye I prob just misunderstood. This was way before I really understood anything about builds. Whatever happened i guess i just got lots of lucky crits (iirc it's 10 shots any of which could crit)

[gray apex]

Has high crit chance too

It’s definitely a big bonk when it’s a greater call

Otherwise it’s just

[heavy sigil]

also for kbm players what keybinds do yall use for call

f feels weird to use

[gray apex]

I use F

[strange skiff]

Yeah it's so underwhelming. I remember trying to actually set up a big backstab crit but could never get it. Always hit from the front and failed the crit setup so got minimal damage

[strange skiff]

I get that it does seem slow is slow, but all my runs used to average 40 mins, until I randomly chatted to an ex-work colleague who it turns out plays hades, and mentioned that the speed pact was weak because he usually finished in 25 min.

Spare a thought for us weaker players

[heavy sigil]

at the start i feel like its natural to see big amounts of improvement

like easy to learn hard to master sort of thingy

[icy knoll]

i also use f for call

[warm nimbus]

same

[gray apex]

I think a mouse side button is your best bet if you want to swap

[warm nimbus]

i use wasd, shift is dask, f call, side button for cast, left click for attack and right click for special

[heavy sigil]

😩 i ordered a new mouse

legit gunna switch like half of my binds to mouse side buttons

[icy knoll]

nice

[heavy sigil]

but for now i suffer

[warm nimbus]

whichever side mouse button your thumb rests on is the one you should bind to the most important thing of the stuff you want to put on the side

i often find that the keys around wasd are actually faster to use than the other side buttons

[heavy sigil]

prob put call on that

so i can actually use call iframes

[gray apex]

I have Reload on side button

The rest is just default binds

[warm nimbus]

yeah i think reload would be nice to have on side button for rail

should probably do that lol

[heavy sigil]

i usually change my binds for every weapon i play

like for hestia left click attack, right click reload and space bar special

but for like hera right click is cast

[warm nimbus]

what do you use for dash?

[heavy sigil]

shift

[warm nimbus]

ok same

thank god hades doesnt have a lot of keybinds lmao

some games ive played i used every button on my mouse, wasd, all the keys around wasd, and started to have to go like 2+ keys away

its a nightmare trying to optimize keybinds for those games

[heavy sigil]

lol fr

thats actually how i decided between dead cells and hades

i looked at how much stuff dead cells needed to have binded and was like nah im getting hades

[warm nimbus]

dead cells isnt actually bad on the keybinds iirc

[heavy sigil]

i remember there being a ton

[warm nimbus]

a lot of it is menu controls

of the ones that are important to the gameplay theres like 9 other than wasd

and even some of those you dont use particularly frequently

hades is less, but dc isnt bad

[patent mesa]

jealous of you side mouse button gamers

I have to use scroll wheel for cast

[warm nimbus]

what the

thats awful

at least have the decency to use middle click

[patent mesa]

my middle click comes out really slow lol

on hestia I do left attack, right reload, scroll down cast, scroll up special

it's horrific

[warm nimbus]

that really is terrible

[patent mesa]

trash mouse is sad

[icy knoll]

what are your keybinds, i have a three-button mouse like you and my cast is in a reasonable position

[latent moon]

Left attack, right special, side button for cast/reload, shift dash

[patent mesa]

wasd, q call, 1 companion, space dash

[icy knoll]

put cast on shift

[reef zodiac]

Wtf why

[slim geyser]

i dont play kbm

and i know thats cursed

[reef zodiac]

Same

[coarse junco]

Is it worth starting hades from scratch if you completed the epilogue on your open access account?

[void vigil]

if you want to experience the story again, yes

there are multiple save slots, and you can try out hell mode if you want a harder experience from the get go

but if you just want to experiment with gameplay you can do that on the same file :] and there is plenty of dialogue even after the epilogue im pretty sure

[pearl relic]

the only hearts i need to unlock are hypnos's, i'm assuming i need thanatos to spawn, he's been stubborn as of late. any tips of increasing his chances of showing up during a run are welcome

[patent mesa]

hestia keyboard sweats gimme a better configuration please

[gray apex]

Change reload

And you’re done

[pearl relic]

got thanatos and instead of progressing hypnos's storyline he brought up ares for some reason

[patent mesa]

wait to what

[gray apex]

Mouse

[void vigil]

hypnos' hearts are hard to unlock because thanatos is a little adamant to talk about anything else but him lol but it will happen eventually

[pearl relic]

ty @void vigil, yeah i just looked up a steam thread of someone doing over 100 runs with no progress for hypnos back in 2020. not sure if devs patched in any way to prevent that so i think i might call it with hades here. i never imagined hypnos would be the one i'd be stuck on, it's alright tho

[void vigil]

i think there was a patch that increased the priority of the conversations, yes

i can look rq when it was

[pearl relic]

nah no worries

[void vigil]

yeah it was in december 2020

[lyric hatch]

Hello

I'm thinking on how to beat Megaera easily

[void vigil]

so idk when that thread was, but that was when the priority was increased

[pearl relic]

good to know, but what really alarmed me was thanatos just started talking about ares outta nowhere the last time i got him in the house, idk why he started talking about him and makes me worry about if he's going to talk about the other gods too before progress with hypnos

[void vigil]

i think the shield is a pretty good starting weapon since you can block attacks with it, as well as taking divine dash from athena. other than that you can ask here about builds that do a lot of damage since thats the key to getting far in the game

[pearl relic]

the thread was in october 2020

[void vigil]

but also learning her attack patterns so you can dodge them is very important

no, i think thanatos just comments on ares specifically.. i dont think he has something to say about everyone

[gray apex]

Do not attack when trying to dodge because your dash becomes a dash strike and you lose the initial iframes

[modest cipher]

I think if a sexy but dangerous younger god starts chatting up your mom, you might want to talk to your boyfriend about it.

(though I think Thanatos also just has a random Area comment as well, since Ares thinks Thanatos is cool)

[pearl relic]

you talked me into doing another run after i get something to eat @void vigil, btw do you know if thanatos can spawn in single boon rooms? i can't remember if he ever showed up in any

[gray apex]

Wdym single boon rooms

[void vigil]

just regular rooms that arent trials or minibosses? yes

[pearl relic]

okay thanks

[gray apex]

The tile and chamber number matter more, sometimes he is not eligible but ye

[pearl relic]

tile, chamber number?

[void vigil]

i hope you unlock the dialogue soon, just keep at it! :] also, you can put the game down and come back to it later if youre feeling burnt out, i did that over the course of a couple of years

[gray apex]

The tile as in how the room layout looks like, there are some rooms he cant show up in

And number because there is a specific point where he can start showing up from

So like you cant see Than in chamber 2

Ever

[pearl relic]

oh, gotcha @gray apex, yeah i read that he doesn't show up until chamber 3 of the first area, but didn't know the other floors were like that too

ty @void vigil, i hope i do too!

[gray apex]

11-12 / 18-22 / 29-34 are the start and end of eligibility

[modest cipher]

Can he show up multiple times?

[gray apex]

So c3 is still too early

No

Once per rin

Run

[pearl relic]

wow, that looks like towards the end of each of the first 3 floors

i knew he didn't show up in styx, but this is more stringent than i thought

[short glen]

Something I've noticed is that Zag, than, and the banner can all say "Death Approaches." which tells me it might be possible for them all to say it at once, which wouldn't do anything but it would be amusing

[void vigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/j4n557/death_approaches_death_approaches/

[gray apex]

Alma are you a wiki editor

[void vigil]

yes