#h1-discussion

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gray apex
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Since that also improves your odds

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Because of the rarity buff

deep patio
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OMG I GOT IT lols

gray apex
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Nice

deep patio
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its the first time i went pressure point/exit wounds and it came up

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usually i do pressure point/support fire, or even all 3

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probably just a coincidence

deep patio
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....

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i just got it in the next run also, not even trying to get it...artemis keepsake not even on anymore

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this game lol

deep grotto
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should i take the exclusive access even tho that is the last possible boon ill be able to get?

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to complete prophecies

mint coral
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Prophecies good

deep grotto
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okay

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im strong enough anyway

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one last question
i have breaching cross and explosive upper
is the anvil rng worth it rn

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or my hammers are good enough

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with gilgamesh btw

devout terrace
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Those are literally the 2 best fists hammers

deep grotto
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okay

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time to whoop my fathers ass

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ass: whooped

umbral parrot
deep grotto
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man i was so stressed about my 10th hades encounter bc i had guan yu with no death defiance and like 50 hp ||but he just let me pass through haha||

leaden birch
short glen
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||Doing it anyways, you can't stop me||

modern hull
latent moon
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on my 10th run i was learning how to play shield and i was doing terribly and was prepared to die lmao

mint coral
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You either are ready to die or have an awesome build for your 10th clear

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No in beetween

pearl root
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facts

fresh steppe
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man

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its been so long

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since my 10th clear

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i forgot about it

heavy sigil
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ok yeah beo is broken

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u just dash strike into rush and repeat

mint coral
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Welcome to beo

heavy sigil
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is hades’ keepsake any good?

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ive been using tooth after i get the build in like all my runs but im starting to use that revive less and less

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like not at all actually ._.

icy knoll
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good for speedruns

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acorn is generally better than tooth

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charon keepsake is good for styx too

latent moon
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idk by how much but pretty sure it's a good amount

heavy sigil
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hm

latent moon
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i heard that it goes well with demeter fists

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your special does a lot of damage, and you'd be stacking poms and whatnot onto it throughout the run

mint coral
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It last the whole duration of the call

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Is the invisibility that goes away after the attack

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And is +100% global dmg

latent moon
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now that

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is a spicy meatball

icy knoll
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today i learned you should not use trippy shot with flurry cast

signal aspen
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what

icy knoll
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you can't aim it, like, at all

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all three of them go out so fast it's super hard to send out just one

signal aspen
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controller?

icy knoll
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kbm

signal aspen
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trippy shot is really easy to aim with kbm

icy knoll
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yeah

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but you literally can't with flurry shot

signal aspen
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or are you using only keyboard with no mouse

icy knoll
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wherever your mouse is at the time when you press cast, that's where all three trippy shots are going

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there is no aim reticle if you have flurry shot

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plus it doesn't actually make the casts move faster, it just makes you throw them faster
which is not exactly useful for trippy shot

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the bonus damage is nice but everything else is bad

slim geyser
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wouldnt turning aim at cursor off help

icy knoll
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that would still force me to do three trippy shots at a time

signal aspen
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no it does the opposite

icy knoll
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and also make what little aim i had slightly worse

quaint rune
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Hey should I raise the gods hearts for any reason like story wise?

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Never mind just got a new fate

buoyant crown
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Hades by Supergiant Games

quaint rune
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So who's y'alls favorite Olympian gods? character wise not by their boons

strong ridge
strong ridge
quaint rune
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Oh hairy knees

deep grotto
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mine is dionysos

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hes so chill

icy knoll
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but you can always do that later, it's an endgame thing

heavy sigil
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bruhh i had 5 casts and a 50% cast dmg buff from chaos

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but i legit didnt get mirage shot in the like 5 times i could have

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and i didnt get any poms on my cast bc rng sucks and i couldnt choose my cast to pom

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could have been so much more

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beo btw

reef zodiac
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Are you using god’s legacy?

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Are you 100% sure you had the prerequisites for Mirage

heavy sigil
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yes to both

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poseidon cast and artemis attack

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and i have maxed god legacy in use

reef zodiac
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Did you have any other duo boons open?

heavy sigil
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well yeah prob but i didnt see any duo boons

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i still beat the run it was just a lot slower then it would have been 😔

fresh steppe
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man

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now that I think about it

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my next goal is sub 8

reef zodiac
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What weapon do you think you’ll use? Do you have one picked out?

twin thistle
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well they were using beo thanthink

reef zodiac
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Oh ok

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Right I see that

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Solid choice

deep patio
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what are speed run times usually?

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my fastest is about 9 mins but I dont know if thats any good

bold lichen
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i've heard talk of 8s and 7s

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here

fresh steppe
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my current fastest time is 8 min 55 sec

deep patio
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damn...I reckon i could shave a minute off maybe

fast willow
fresh steppe
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so just about sub 9

deep patio
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just googled it, and the record is 5 1/2 min

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5:32

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as of 8 months ago anyway

reef zodiac
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And multiple routed sub3s

reef zodiac
bold lichen
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i'm just happy that i actually escaped once KEKW

deep patio
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what does modded sub5/3 mean?

reef zodiac
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Don’t compare yourself to top runners and let make you think you’re achievements aren’t impressive

bold lichen
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with mods, under 5 minutes

deep patio
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what mods tho?

reef zodiac
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With the speedrun mod pack

bold lichen
reef zodiac
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It’s a specific modpack made for speedrunning and it’s the only mod allowed for modded leaderboards

deep patio
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weird there is no speedrun channel in here

reef zodiac
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There’s a speedrun server

deep patio
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ah ok

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well I busted my balls getting to 9 mins, although i stopped to do troves, fishing and what not

reef zodiac
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Fishing doesn’t cost you time

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Troves definitely do though

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If you can get sub10 without optimization, that’s a great sign

deep patio
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yeah but finding/running to fishing point does

reef zodiac
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True

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If you’re interested in going for a faster time, I can give tips

deep patio
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sure

reef zodiac
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First off, what aspect do you speedrun

deep patio
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i dont have a particular one yet, just been trying out different ones to see what is best

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im in experimental stage i guess

fast willow
bold lichen
fast willow
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for unmodded

bold lichen
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cast or stone? 😬

fast willow
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if you have only 3 stones rn, then stone

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if you have 4+, then idk

reef zodiac
deep patio
reef zodiac
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Eris is a great option

deep patio
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cant remember their aspect names not at computer atm

fast willow
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hestia is also great but harder to learn

reef zodiac
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I love Hestia but that aspect is quite hard

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Especially compared to Eris

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Eris is probably the best beginner speedrun aspect

fast willow
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yeah either eris or demeter

reef zodiac
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Yeah but Demeter stinky

deep patio
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ok i will try eris out

fresh steppe
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yeah eris is a good aspect

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got my first 32 heat clear with it

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though for speedruns im using beo

fast willow
reef zodiac
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Yeah

fast willow
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its only when you want to like sub6 that its bad

reef zodiac
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Nah Demeter sub7 is probably harder than at least 5 other aspects

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Probably more

fast willow
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thats because beo hera eris achilles hestia are broken

fresh steppe
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yeah those aspects are strong

bold lichen
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I can't seem to beat hades with Hera cast build :/

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never end up feeling strong enough, like.. maybe its just a lack ofskill but dang

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or rng idk

reef zodiac
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You’re using crush shot?

bold lichen
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I just tried crush

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but i never got it to upgrade from pom or anything

reef zodiac
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Crush is by far the best option

bold lichen
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and didn't get eurydice

reef zodiac
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Yikes you need Poms

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Don’t pick so many pommable boons

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Try to keep it at 4 pommables max

bold lichen
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I think all i had was weak on m1, lightning dash

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and call

reef zodiac
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Were you taking poms over everything else?

bold lichen
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I was prioritizing poms yes

reef zodiac
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Because with a lvl1 cast, you probably should

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Wait are you using dark foresight

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On the mirror

bold lichen
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no was using olympian favor

reef zodiac
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Oh my

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This will make everything so much easier for you

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Turn dark foresight on

bold lichen
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i'll get more darkness and switch

reef zodiac
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You can use a key to get your darkness back from OF

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You basically never want to use OF

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DF is way too good

bold lichen
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recommendations for mirror then?

reef zodiac
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For Hera specifically?

bold lichen
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ya

reef zodiac
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Use thick skin if you’re not speedrunning

bold lichen
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Oh i dont have the last two on the right yet

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still getting more keys for those (i have like 20 now)

reef zodiac
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Btw this is why DF is so good ^

bold lichen
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well.

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That was easier than i expected lol

bold lichen
reef zodiac
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The special lets you move quickly, flurry jab is extremely good, and +150% is a huge bonus

umbral parrot
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Very big movement

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And 150% damage is just too good 3HC_shrug

bold lichen
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yeah i'm seeing that now

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even with just 1 level in it

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i'm playing Posedion primary and special atm

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with Razor shoals it's pretty silly

umbral parrot
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Artemis, zeus and Lady Aphrodite attacks are good on Achilles’ spear

bold lichen
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I have that, support fire, vicious skewer

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Ya i tried for artemis m1

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But ended up taking poseidon's atk and special for kicks

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the control from knockback on it and dash spam attack is insane

umbral parrot
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I dont like using Poseidon’s attack because of the knock back Sad

bold lichen
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just put them in a corner and rack up extra damage from wall slam, and it dislodges armored enemies

umbral parrot
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You know Hades has these weird quotes he tells you sometimes while leaving the house in the start of runs
Why does he look different in those cutscenes?

bold lichen
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lmfao just fought Tiny vermin for the first time

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I was half expecting the classic Tyrannosaur roar when he roared lmao

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fack... had HAdes down to 10% on the last bar :(

mint coral
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"its just a tiny vermin"

pure solar
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proceeds to have entire speedrun ruined

atomic beacon
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I romanticizing dusa still available?

bold lichen
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it should be, you should be able to romanticize all 3 (Than, Meg, Dusa)

atomic beacon
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thank you, otherwise i wouldve wasted 6 ambrosia

modern hull
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If chaos has already talked about the shield then they can give me the waking phrase if i encounter them with any weapon right??

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So i dont have to have the shield equipped for them to give me the waking phrase?

pearl root
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yeah

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i think

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as long as you have used 5 titan blood on the shield

modern hull
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I have literally done everything in this game beowulf is the only thing missing

pearl root
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rip

limpid elm
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How do you get the aspect of Beowulf? Do I need the Shield of Chaos to be in a certain level? Since I've already gone to lvl 3 and he still hasn't mentioned it even if I brought it along

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oh, we were just talking about that, hmm
In my case I have not seen the dialogue yet

mint coral
limpid elm
atomic beacon
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yes

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first you have to have the chaos aspect

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then he says oh you have the chaos

mint coral
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*them also any shield aspect works

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Doesnt need to be chaos aspect

limpid elm
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but it still has to be shield?

mint coral
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Ye

limpid elm
atomic beacon
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yeah, then he gives you the waking phrase

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given you have 5 ttian blood into the shield

mint coral
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After Chaos mentions the shield or one of its aspects you can get the phrase no matter the weapon

atomic beacon
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i thought it was you had to still have the sheild equipped

limpid elm
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I'm confused

atomic beacon
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thats what I thought

limpid elm
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dang pronouns I'm sorry

mint coral
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You dont

atomic beacon
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man, all that time using the sheild

limpid elm
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okay thank god I have not used anything else all day and I've been dying to change

mint coral
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Shield good tho dusa

limpid elm
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I'm aware, I just want to balance out the usage of all weapons instead of having invested it all into one

atomic beacon
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can we all agree that athena dash is among the better base boons

mint coral
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Yeah but tidal dash is more fun dusa

atomic beacon
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poseidon cast

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then demeter special

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for icy cast

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then artemis attack

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for mirage shot

limpid elm
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I should not run butterfly during my low attention span moments istg

mint coral
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Shouldnt run butterfly at all dusa

limpid elm
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Oh?

atomic beacon
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well what about with the bow and rail

limpid elm
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yep nope I am not using the butterfly again with a shield

mint coral
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At most is like a 50% global dmg boost? Il rather just get aphro attack on hestia/most bows to get a possible +100% dmg boost and access to weak dusa

atomic beacon
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oh, well yeah

limpid elm
mint coral
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Like is a lot of global dmg but most weapons used on pair with butterfly (hestia/gy as examples) use % dmg instead

limpid elm
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so you suggest there's better options rather than running butterfly

atomic beacon
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what about the plume? should i run that with the fists

mint coral
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You still can luck out in a lot of flat dmg sources to benefit from the global dmg but otherwise is just like a common chaos boon

mint coral
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Way easier to get builds going

atomic beacon
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makes sense, but i have a counter argument. speed

limpid elm
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going back to spamming athena keepsake

mint coral
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As in stacking speed for the funny or going fast?

atomic beacon
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get the speed AND dodge chance

atomic beacon
mint coral
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Cant go fast if you barely have a good build for dmg in 1st place

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Tho stacking move speed is funny (shotouts to eris route)

atomic beacon
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ok, now are any of the aspects of malphon good for the plume

mint coral
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Zag fists is the most common

atomic beacon
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ok

mint coral
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To try to stack to 100% dodge

atomic beacon
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Hahaha, cant hit me now father

mint coral
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I dont think you can get perma 100% dodge but is easy to maintain

atomic beacon
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you need second wind

mint coral
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Second wind/ruthless reflex mainly

atomic beacon
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and the other hermes dodge chamce

mint coral
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Second wind isnt a perma boost tho

atomic beacon
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yeah you need a call

mint coral
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Unless you can generate call fast enough (or luck into smoldering air)

atomic beacon
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hehe

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quick favor, should help

gray apex
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Butterfly Keepsake is very subpar

atomic beacon
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ok

mint coral
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Considering you want both dodge boons

atomic beacon
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yeah fair point

mint coral
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And is not like quick favor in 1st place helps much

atomic beacon
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now would the dio/poiseidon duo, would that help much or i shouldn't try for it?

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i mean i know what it does

gray apex
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The earlier you get it the better

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It can be pretty nice

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Not something you shoot for tho

mint coral
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Not something i would built towards but nice if it happens naturally

atomic beacon
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alright

mint coral
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Tho is law that if you get EA your hermes boons will suck bouldy (joke ofc)

atomic beacon
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hehe

gray apex
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It's ok my Hermes boons suck anyway

mint coral
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It stings extra hard when they are all epic bouldy

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More money ig

gray apex
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Nothing beats that epic side hustle

mint coral
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16 gold x room tizomg

limpid elm
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charon no longer likes healing me judgement

bold lichen
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I'm struggling to complete the game with Malphon :(

gray apex
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What build are you trying

bold lichen
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I was trying to just do a straight attack build with artemis special/crush attack

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but i'm not sure what i should be prioritizing with the fists

signal aspen
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lmao

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flat damage is best with fists

gray apex
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Start with Zeus and take his Attack then look for Athena and take her Dash because it helps a lot on melee aspects

signal aspen
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so zeus, ares, dio

bold lichen
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ya i suppose i could just go full athena and cakewalk it

signal aspen
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not full athena

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but yeah athena helps a lot

bold lichen
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athena m1 is actually pretty good though

signal aspen
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lmao no its not

gray apex
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It's pretty weak

bold lichen
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because the animation is up so much you could theoretically walk through a lot of attacks

signal aspen
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ok

bold lichen
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I mean defensively

signal aspen
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but then you deal no damage

gray apex
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Alternatively

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You can dash through attacks and stop holding your attack button because that's usually what gets you hit

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Divine Strike is still not gonna deflect everything, and some attacks cant be deflected to begin with

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The dash is good enough

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Look for a good attack so you can do damage, the longer you stay in encounters the more likely you are to take damage

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If you choose Zeus look for Static Discharge and a good Call for iframes/damage afterwards because his attack alone wont carry the lategame

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Ares -> Merciful End
Dio -> Poms and maybe Low Tolerance or Curse of Nausea

bold lichen
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Any particular hammer upgrades i should be going for?

icy knoll
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breaching cross

gray apex
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Breaching Cross is the top hammer on Fists

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If you're on Demeter aspect you can also look for Explosive Upper or Kinetic Launcher

bold lichen
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doing zag aspect atm

umbral parrot
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How many companions are there?

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In the keepsakes locker thing, there are like 5 i think

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Idk

devout terrace
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counting is hard

gray apex
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Indeed

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You should see me play routed

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I lose count after 2

bold lichen
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using all 3 of your DD's on the twins. Harold

signal aspen
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twins thanthink

bold lichen
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the heroes

signal aspen
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why you call them twins

bold lichen
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just a misnomer

gray apex
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They look the same

bold lichen
reef zodiac
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better than calling Asterius “Minos” bouldy

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Not by much though

bold lichen
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I mean he is the Bull of Minos

reef zodiac
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Minos was a guy

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He was the king of Crete

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Asterius is a bull-man

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Very much not the same guy

signal aspen
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minos was my friend from 5th grade

bold lichen
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Minos was also responsible for the sick labyrinth games

reef zodiac
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Why is my bossing so bad on Hestia

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Have I forgotten how to fight bosses without being able to block their attacks

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Specifically EM Champs and Hades

bold lichen
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Lol that's my problem... fighting bosses without getting hit.

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I still dont know how to properly avoid Hades spin telegraph

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I have Asterius' down pretty well

reef zodiac
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I just for some reason am terrible at EM Champs and Hades with Hestia at high heat

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I just get hit

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Hestia has really good bossing but I can’t block so I just get hit

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Too much shield

signal aspen
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big plate safe

amber veldt
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new to the game just started playing, any tips?

latent moon
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Tbh there's not much to it, just jump in and learn the game mechanics

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All the weapons are good and usable, you'll like some more than others

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Learn the ones you like to use and beat the game with it

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As time goes on you'll learn more, if you have any questions about how to use certain weapons or boons/builds then you can ask here

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But really the best way to learn is just playing

amber veldt
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do i have to fight the bosses every attempt?

reef zodiac
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Yes

amber veldt
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whats the best upgrade in the mirror?

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im assuming its the dash

reef zodiac
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DDs

pearl root
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^

reef zodiac
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And then either greater reflex or dark foresight

hidden hinge
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Can anyone tell me if at some point Zagreus arrives on Olympus?

reef zodiac
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Nope

hidden hinge
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Not from he doesn't come or not from he can't say?

reef zodiac
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He does not

hidden hinge
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Puts it would be interesting if he arrived

reef zodiac
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He does not though

hidden hinge
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Had he become the new lord of hell in place of Hades or something?

pearl root
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what

hidden hinge
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I just beat Hades with 15 runs

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And he saw his mother

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But apparently he can't stay out there that long.

reef zodiac
hidden hinge
reef zodiac
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Have you considered continuing to play the game

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To find out

hidden hinge
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yes i will do it

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Apparently there's still more history ahead.

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But I'm definitely upset that zagreus has never been able to go to Olympus

bold lichen
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For some reason i can't dash over the green explodey minions in the hades fight

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I had a good iframe call for the hades spin and only got hit by it once (bad reaction) but couldn't dash over the splodey skulls if i didnt' get to them in time

reef zodiac
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Don’t attack during your dash

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If you attack during a dash, you lose your i-frames

warm nimbus
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i really like guan yu but the health reduction is problematic lmao

reef zodiac
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Just simply do not get hit

warm nimbus
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well yes

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that is what i am attempting to do

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alas, that is difficult at times

reef zodiac
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Charged Skewer helps a lot

warm nimbus
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yeah i currently have breaching skewer so it shreds in the later half of areas

hidden hinge
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Will Zagreus ever be able to stay on the surface without worrying about the pacas?

reef zodiac
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I can answer that but I feel like you might want to find out for yourself

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It’s like you started a movie and you’re turning to your friend and asking them to spoil the ending

hidden hinge
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Wow

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Makes sense

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But tell me one thing, how many times will I have to defeat Hades to reach the end?

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I started yesterday and I've already beaten him twice

reef zodiac
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10 total

hidden hinge
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I imagine it will take time to zero hahaha

hidden hinge
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good thanks for the answers

deep grotto
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i definetly couldnt beat him for a week

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when i first started*

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how many attempts in those two days?

bold lichen
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i escaped on like.. attempt 18

hidden hinge
icy knoll
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wow good job

hidden hinge
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And on the 18th I won again

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I haven't played since

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I'm curious to know the rest of the story

hidden hinge
reef zodiac
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Continuing boonless discussion from #h1-victory-boasting , I said some weapons are much better than others boonless

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An aspect like Eris, which is easily top 6 with boons, is very lacking without boons

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Gilga can do some good damage with a good build, but boonless it’s extremely bad

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That’s why I said that

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20 damage dash strikes ron

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All fists are quite bad boonless since they rely a lot on flat damage like lightning and doom for damage

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Or tidal dash

gray apex
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Hestia is bad for boonless

reef zodiac
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Good boonless weapons are generally the weapons that use Aphrodite as their primary damage god

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Hestia, Rama, even Arthur seems quite good boonless (could be wrong on this one though)

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Since shackle is basically an Aphrodite boon that can’t be pommed

signal aspen
gray apex
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Indeed

signal aspen
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🤝

gray apex
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I only make optimal choices and what I say is facts always remember that

signal aspen
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always

gray apex
reef zodiac
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Actually now that I’m thinking about it, it could be fun to do all weapons (or maybe even aspects) boonless 32 heat

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Or maybe 40 heat

hidden hinge
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I use the spear a lot, in your opinion what is the best aspect of it?

reef zodiac
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Achilles

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Guan Yu is second imo

hidden hinge
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at the moment i'm using the hades aspect, i'm enjoying it enough, i'll try it with achilles

eternal marlin
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Hades is good too dusa

reef zodiac
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Well

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Yeah Hades can be good

signal aspen
#

can

reef zodiac
#

I despise it though

hidden hinge
#

in short what would be the best weapon in the game? with the clear aspect

reef zodiac
#

Beowulf probably

eternal marlin
reef zodiac
#

Lol

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Until I get to fists squirtyay

gray apex
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Boonless is boring

signal aspen
#

mirrorless tho

eternal marlin
#

getting "killed" by boon menus isn't exactly fun

gray apex
#

Mirrorless can be fun

warm nimbus
#

omg rama does ridiculous damage lmao

reef zodiac
signal aspen
reef zodiac
gray apex
#

Well yea they all have their uniqueness

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Boonless Mirrorless fresh file etc

reef zodiac
#

I’m always looking for new ways to play that might be interesting

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That’s why I got into hitless and it ended up being super fun

gray apex
#

Boonless is just you enjoying watching your damage fall off bouldy

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And getting rekt by boons

hidden hinge
#

any suggestions for some hades aspect compilation?

reef zodiac
#

Idk I only play Hades by resetting for exploding launcher

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Alright everyone. What do you think is the worst boonless aspect in the game

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I’ll do a few boonless runs and see which seems the worst

umbral parrot
umbral parrot
reef zodiac
#

Definitely not

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Not even close

umbral parrot
#

I… dont know much

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Sorry Sad

signal aspen
#

talos

reef zodiac
#

GY is probably top 8

signal aspen
#

or zag fist

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gilg at least has maim

reef zodiac
#

Fists are so bad dude LMAO

signal aspen
#

true

reef zodiac
#

Also if it’s also hammerless than there may be an argument to be made for Zag rail

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Zag rail seems so painful without good hammers

#

Which do you think will be faster? Boonless gilga or divine dash only gilga (except no riposte)

signal aspen
#

def toppler only

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wait no

#

yeah probably toppler only

reef zodiac
#

Ok I thought divine dash only took me like 23 minutes

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But it actually took me 34 minutes

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LMAO

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Yikes

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Ok definitely that will be slower zaglol

signal aspen
#

ok but what if you get red rd red dashes red toppler with like 50 poms in it

reef zodiac
#

With riposte it has the potential to be faster

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But I didn’t find it bouldy

signal aspen
#

i kinda want to do toppler only but thats so painful its not even funny

hidden hinge
reef zodiac
#

Beo special?

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Why

hidden hinge
#

using the shield is very boring for me, it gives a hit kill so it's kind of boring for me lol

reef zodiac
#

A hit kill?

hidden hinge
#

instant death

signal aspen
#

uh

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ok

#

sure

reef zodiac
#

One-shotting enemies is boring?

hidden hinge
#

for me it is

reef zodiac
#

Not a Hestia fan then bouldy

signal aspen
#

i kinda agree, i hate it when i kill enemies

hidden hinge
#

like something too easy?

reef zodiac
#

Then increase the heat

hidden hinge
#

im not

signal aspen
#

i want do deal as little damage as possible

reef zodiac
signal aspen
#

yup

reef zodiac
#

It’s a new trend that’s sweeping the nation

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Apparently

hidden hinge
#

why not

reef zodiac
#

Because I enjoy doing damage

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Haven’t we been over this

signal aspen
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i dont enjoy doing damage

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guess im not like the other hades players

hidden hinge
#

I'm in the same bar probably

reef zodiac
#

I want to play CShot Zag shield so bad but I don’t want to do 1/6 odds AP1 50+ heat hammer resets

signal aspen
reef zodiac
#

That’s crazy ngl

devout terrace
#

wait I need to read thru this

reef zodiac
#

You should try using BP2, JS3, CP2 on your pact

signal aspen
#

em4 too

reef zodiac
#

That way every room takes forever

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Yeah EM4 too

signal aspen
#

just do everything

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64 heat

reef zodiac
#

No not TD

hidden hinge
signal aspen
#

should be fun 🙂

reef zodiac
#

You want to play incredibly slowly

#

45 minute clears

signal aspen
#

oh true

reef zodiac
#

Cherish the moment

signal aspen
#

i like to take my time

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especially in my speedruns

devout terrace
devout terrace
reef zodiac
devout terrace
signal aspen
devout terrace
signal aspen
devout terrace
#

the bot is back I see

gray apex
#

Indeed

signal aspen
#

@queen igloo i hate you

devout terrace
gray apex
#

lmao

reef zodiac
#

So close

#

But so far

devout terrace
#

epic on RI2

signal aspen
#

dashing wallop zagluv

devout terrace
#

do RI3

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for AP0

#

its based

reef zodiac
#

Really?

signal aspen
#

do em4

reef zodiac
#

Genuinely should I actually do that?

devout terrace
#

no

signal aspen
#

yes

reef zodiac
#

Ok

devout terrace
#

but its REALLY funny

signal aspen
#

cursed

#

4 sack 😩

#

so close to greatness

devout terrace
#

wtf bouldy

reef zodiac
#

Uno pact right there bouldy

devout terrace
#

uno wouldnt've EM3'd

#

CF0 zoos is fun

signal aspen
#

back then i wasnt good at em4

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im still not good at em4

umbral parrot
gray apex
#

chad pact tho

reef zodiac
#

I’ve picked up 9 hammers

#

0 charged shot

reef zodiac
#

Are CShot backstabs bugged or something? I swear I’m backstabbing from the front

#

I may be trippin

wary mural
#

does thunder flourish activate multiple times on a chiron bow special?

#

ima test myself and be dissapointed

gray apex
wary mural
#

with relentless twice so its decent

fresh ice
#

just got hades, should i start off with hell mode or normal?

wary mural
#

normal

reef zodiac
reef zodiac
wary mural
fresh ice
#

k ty, usually start with hardest difficulty on games but heard hell mode limits some aspects of the game so wanted to make sure

reef zodiac
gray apex
#

It’s not gonna hit twice consistently

wary mural
#

i had it hit twice multiple times

wary mural
icy knoll
#

just got charged shot sudden rush unyielding defence first room on a beo 32 run

#

i'm a little bit lucky

wary mural
#

just a little

supple steppe
reef zodiac
#

I didn’t ask about TD

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I asked about time

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It’s the only indication of how good something is beside if it won or not

supple steppe
#

I know you didn't ask about TD but I mentioned it because it makes my playstyle different than many others. I don't focus on time, I will leave Zag standing unpaused in a cleared room while I make food, so if that's an important indication to you then it won't be well represented by my experiences.

mint coral
#

Zag spear has a 5:25 so its good? (Modded)

supple steppe
#

No TD and playstyle in general also probably affects my opinion of Gilga's damage. I don't know or utilize any speedrunning dash attack cancelling meta techniques. Gilga doesn't one shot things instantly because of the maim's delay, but it can ultimately do 480 with one dash upper, that's good damage to me, with repeated 130s from attacks afterwards.

mint coral
#

I dont think hades has "dash attack cancelling" techniques lol
Just bugs/nice rotations

reef zodiac
#

“480 from one dash upper” feels kinda disingenuous

#

You could also do 480 with 4 standing specials in the same timeframe

#

Obviously it’s not the same because you can do other attacks

#

But still

signal aspen
#

Gilg is very good tho

reef zodiac
#

Gilgamesh is almost certainly bottom 6 worst boonless aspects. But it’s also probably literally half as good as Hestia or Rama. Or at least almost half as bad

signal aspen
#

25% global damage is good, and then you can get a hammer to make it 50%!!! 😄

supple steppe
#

Yeah, it's not 480 dps or anything, it's not comparable to Hestia. But you can do 480 with one single attack.

My opening message in this conversation was that I may be weird so that could be the case but for me Gilga didn't feel lacking in damage in boonless+mirrorless and it was the easiest gloves for me.

reef zodiac
#

Yeah but all the fists are abysmally bad

#

And it’s definitely way worse than Demeter lol

#

But when I said Gilgamesh was a very painful boonless aspect, I meant in comparison to every other aspect not just in comparison to zag and Talos fists (which are probably both in the bottom 3 boonless aspects)

supple steppe
#

It seems like we just have very different stances on boonless Gilga, Pancake. I'm okay with that. I know Hestia is good but I didn't use Hestia for 32 boonless/mirrorless because Nyaanyaa had already did it. I tried a few different aspects among most weapons to see which one I'd like. Among them, Gilga felt pretty good to me.

reef zodiac
#

I’m not taking about just Hestia lol

#

You keep mentioning Hestia

#

There are 22 other aspects and almost all of them are better than Gilga

#

But it’s fine to enjoy Gilga, that was never my point. Just to be totally clear

gray apex
supple steppe
#

Yeah, there are 22 other aspects. In my experience Gilga did not feel worse than almost all of them. But that's just me.

icy knoll
#

i'm a little bit lucky

reef zodiac
#

Yo

#

That’s pretty crazy

icy knoll
#

oh yeah and artemis special

#

that's pretty important

reef zodiac
#

That is

icy knoll
#

hopefully i don't die to gorgons

#

should i take breaching rush or unyielding defence

reef zodiac
icy knoll
#

i took unyielding

reef zodiac
#

Oh lol

#

Unyielding is still good

languid dragon
#

can you encounter patroclus 2 times in a single run?

icy knoll
#

nope

pearl root
#

no

icy knoll
#

you can't encounter any of the story rooms twice

pearl root
#

^

icy knoll
#

(pat, eury, sisyphus)

languid dragon
#

sad i guess

pearl root
#

fr

reef zodiac
#

@lofty shard

lofty shard
#

ah

#

Can u give me an image of what I should focus on in my mirror

#

@reef zodiac

reef zodiac
#

^

patent widget
#

Finally made it past Styx, I have to fight ||hades||

icy knoll
#

do i have to ||beat charon 10 times|| for skelly to tell me his employer

brisk trail
#

hey quick question in the thing that holds your keepsakes there are empty slots will there be new gods added to the game or am i just supposed to look at empty slots each time i open it

mint coral
#

empty slots

#

game done with updates

brisk trail
#

this isn't a question that i think the developers will see im just asking for y'alls opinion tho it would be nice to get a official response

brisk trail
#

a dlc or something would be nice

#

like that one suggested on reddit i have no idea where the post is but it was a great post i'll try to find it and link it here

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and

#

both are great ideas but most likely the answer is no

oak ibex
icy knoll
#

i got 275 hours and i still haven't gotten it

#

exhausted pretty much all other dialogue where is it

narrow hemlock
# brisk trail this isn't a question that i think the developers will see im just asking for y'...

this is probably as close as an official response as you will get: https://www.comingsoon.net/games/features/1190326-interview-hades-greg-kasavin

It’s not one of those things that’s written in stone like, “We will never make DLC!” It’s just not yet made sense for us to do since the Bastion one-off, which was something we experimented with at the time. Today, that would have been a patch.

I think a big part of it is that we’re so committed to the endings of our games and to paying off the player’s time if they get all the way to the end. We’ve put in all of our best ideas in the thing we’ve shipped and we’ve set out with a goal of making a complete experience. So to make DLC on something that, by our own definition, is complete, something about that has felt off. It’s like you’re contriving stuff. If it was so important, why wasn’t it there in the 1.0 version? That’s a very broad statement about it.

In the particular case of Hades, it’s also a game with a lot of intricately connected parts in a story and everything. It may sound straightforward to dump in new Boons, gods, or weapons, but it would have a massive impact across all aspects of the game.

Due to the nature of the Early Access development, from our perspective, we did a whole bunch of updates. It’s just only Early Access players who experience a game that way. We even had unique content in Early Access that we never intended to ship in the 1.0 version that was self-aware about the nature of Early Access.

We did that for three years. And we gave it everything we had and thankfully it got this amazing response. We weren’t eager to then go and start messing with it. It doesn’t rule anything out by any means. We really appreciate that there’s interest and that players want more. But also that there is so much understanding in our community as well. Folks point out that it isn’t our style and they’ll give us a break.

patent widget
#

||Hades|| has a second phase…

#

I hate that old man

iron oyster
#

Don’t worry, if you choose to do so using ||em4 pact of punishment||, you can give him a 3rd phase where he makes the arena dark, can heal (well, that rule allows him to heal in 2nd phase as well), can get Cerberus to trample you/crush you with rocks from the sky somehow, gains an aspect of Achilles type of rush that does like 50 damage among more buffs

heavy sigil
#

what do the names mean in my run pages?

iron oyster
heavy sigil
#

like big shopping trip, decathlete, favored and envied

iron oyster
#

Feats*

#

If you go speedy, it’ll say “Hermes would be jealous”

heavy sigil
#

does each one tell a diff aspect/characteristic of ur run?

iron oyster
#

If you steal every single than kill in an encounter with him, you get “robbed Thanatos”

heavy sigil
#

o

#

alr thanks

latent moon
#

if you visit every middle shop, you get "Big shopping trip, too" or whatever the name was

slim geyser
reef zodiac
#

Min-charge CShot doing 80 damage is just not okay

#

Lmao

#

Watching an extremely good player on any good weapon will make it look broken

#

But still this feels wrong bouldy

amber veldt
#

best keepsakes?

reef zodiac
#

Use god keepsakes for Tartarus and Asphodel to force the boons you need

amber veldt
reef zodiac
#

Wym

#

Equip keepsakes from Olympian gods

slim geyser
#

mom pom slander zagSad

reef zodiac
#

To force their boons to appear

amber veldt
#

oh

#

ohh

reef zodiac
amber veldt
#

best keepsake for a beginner?

reef zodiac
#

Acorn

#

Beside god keepsakes

amber veldt
#

who do i get that from?

slim geyser
#

i know zagSad
do you have the contractor upgrade that lets you switch keepsakes between reigons

reef zodiac
amber veldt
#

not sure

reef zodiac
amber veldt
slim geyser
#

go in the “!” rooms in asphodel

amber veldt
#

oh ok

slim geyser
#

eurydice is great

amber veldt
#

isnt the collar great?

#

it gives 50 hp

modern garnet
#

But it takes it away when you unselect it

#

Basically there's two kinds of keepsakes: ones that give you something you can carry with you for the rest of the game, and ones that help you kill bosses

#

God keepsake gives you a boon and a God added to your pool, coinpurse gives you cashh

#

Collar is firmly in the boss killing keepsakes section, so it gets compared to stuff like tooth and acorn, and you can do the math on that and find out that acorn is typically better

reef zodiac
#

In terms of defensive keepsakes:
Acorn > Tooth > Spearpoint > Collar

#

Collar sucks

modern garnet
#

Isn't collar better than tooth?

#

If you do the math

reef zodiac
#

No

#

LMAO

#

100 > 50 thanthink

#

Am I doing the math right

modern garnet
#

Yeah but you get the collar bonus added to every defiance

reef zodiac
#

So then at best it’s 125. So all tooth has to do is prevent an extra 25 by way of overkill damage on DDs, or if you’re on SD (because LC4), or you have less than 3 DDs

modern garnet
#

Right right, there's a lot of complexity

#

But if the overkill is that high, spearpoint gets a lot better, no? Harder to calculate

#

(And obviously acorn supreme)

reef zodiac
#

No because when the hell are you getting hit for that much damage right after getting hit

#

Spearpoint also sucks btw

modern garnet
#

Mmm, acorn's really good but I think the other bossing keepsakes are about even. I guess I'll never know because acorn till I die

reef zodiac
#

Nah they’re really not I promise

#

Tooth has its uses actually

#

Mainly as a safety asphodel keepsake

#

And some people swear by acorn being useful in EM4 with some weapons

#

I can’t think of a single high heat runner who uses collar anywhere

#

It’s really useless

old tundra
#

does lava count as a trap?

reef zodiac
#

Yes

umbral parrot
#

In the pact is says traps and magma

#

I think

reef zodiac
#

And so do Hades urns btw

#

HS makes Hades urns hit for 150

umbral parrot
#

1 Athena boon kind of negates all traps though

#

90% damage reductiom from traps

#

The epic one

#

The arrow things in Elysium do 2 damage if you have it dusa

#

The green traps dad spawns though.. I dont know about them PleadCry

reef zodiac
#

Sure Footing is UC fodder ngl

brisk trail
#

||extreme measures 4 hades was hard insanely hard||

reef zodiac
#

Yep

amber veldt
#

most beginner friendly weapon?

#

im not sure what to spend my weapon upgrade things on

reef zodiac
#

Can’t go wrong with rail, shield, or bow

amber veldt
#

oh ok

reef zodiac
#

My personal favorite is Hesia rail but it needs to be max level

amber veldt
#

also which god gives the best boons for rail?

reef zodiac
#

Depends

#

Are you using any aspect or just zag rail?

amber veldt
#

i think i want the eris aspect

#

but idk how to get it

reef zodiac
#

For Eris you definitely want Zeus attack and Poseidon dash

amber veldt
#

oh ok

#

so first area ill use the zeus one

#

second poseidon?

reef zodiac
#

Yeah

#

Eris is really good with flat damage because the special boost will increase that damage

amber veldt
#

how do i get the aspect of eris?

#

do i just use the weapon upgrade thing on it

#

or do i need to talk to some gods first

reef zodiac
#

Just spend titan blood

#

To unlock it

old tundra
#

just do runs, collect titan blood and it will reveal itself to you

reef zodiac
#

It should cost 2 to unlock

amber veldt
#

oh ok

#

i have enough then

amber veldt
old tundra
#

what about hydra

amber veldt
#

not yet

old tundra
#

i think there are some prerequisites for unlocking parts of the story and unlocking weapons, idk what are those exactly

amber veldt
#

ohh

reef zodiac
amber veldt
#

is eris a hidden one?

old tundra
#

no

amber veldt
#

oh ok

old tundra
#

aspect of beowulf for the shield, aspect of guan yu for the spear

reef zodiac
#

Hidden aspects are the bottom one

old tundra
#

etc.

reef zodiac
#

The one you can’t see yet

amber veldt
#

ohh

old tundra
reef zodiac
#

I wouldn’t worry about hidden aspects right now

modern hull
#

I finally got beowulf oh my god i was losing my mind over it

amber veldt
#

also i gifted one of the yellow jars to my dad

#

and he didnt give me anything...

gray apex
umbral parrot
umbral parrot
#

Which attack boon do i go for with beowulf?

gray apex
#

Artemis is good

#

Usually it’s Artemis because it’s the other half of Mirage and crits are good especially with Cshot

old tundra
#

i wanna go for a run to collect as much darkness as possible, whats the best way to do that

umbral parrot
#

Breaching rush, dashing flight and dread flight

#

which one? PleadCry

raw herald
#

Breaching

gray apex
#

And finish the run with no bounties because bosses is what you care about

umbral parrot
#

Which cast do i take for beowulf?

gray apex
#

Flood Flare is good aoe and has easy access to Mirage

#

Trippy flare is nice but really inconsistent because it needs so many things early

#

Passion is not as reliant on Mirage for casual runs and has good damage on its own

#

You can combine it with pstatus snow burst

#

The rest of the casts are all weak compared to those

#

Also you should start with your cast

#

The first thing you see in Tartarus should be your cast and every single pom should be on your cast

umbral parrot
#

Thanks!

old tundra
#

if the game crashes, the run you were on isn't saved, meaning, you cant continue the run after you boot the game back up?

gray apex
#

Depends

#

On the temp files

umbral parrot
#

Charged shot or empowering flight? PleadCry

#

on beowulf

gray apex
#

Charged Shot

#

Best Beowulf hammer

#

By a long shot

#

Here is a guide to building Beowulf and optimizing damage output

#

You don’t have to be speedrunning it’s still quite helpful

umbral parrot
#

Tidal dash, razor shoals or hydraulic might? first and last ones are epic bouldy

#

tidal dash, right?

raw herald
#

Is this Beowulf?

#

Do you have an Artemis core, do you have rerolls

#

I’d pick razor shoals

#

Increases mirage odds

#

Tidal dash knocks enemies away if you’re not used to it

umbral parrot
#

what is this damage

#

This is the level of damage Achilles spear does when i have flurry jab and lvl 3+ epic artemis attack

#

and it takes less effort and time to do it

gray apex
#

What does your build look like

umbral parrot
#

level 4 flood flare (rare)

#

level 1 razor shoals

#

level 1 epic tidal dash

gray apex
#

Do you have Mirage shot

umbral parrot
#

Nope

#

what keepsake do i take for Asphodel?

raw herald
#

Artemis

#

Keepsake choice is probably in the guide avove

umbral parrot
#

I got charged shot in tartarus, thankfully

gray apex
#

Yea get Artemis and take her Attack or Special or unlock Mirage

#

Attack ideally

#

And keep some rolls for that

#

Mirage shot will skyrocket your damage

umbral parrot
gray apex
#

Do you have her in your cores already?

#

Like attack special or call

umbral parrot
#

i only have poseidon boons and 2 hermes boons

gray apex
#

Well then she cant offer you Mirage shot yet

umbral parrot
#

i got a common deadly strike now

gray apex
#

good

umbral parrot
#

do i take rare special or rare aid?

#

or attack i guess

gray apex
#

From who

umbral parrot
#

artemis

gray apex
#

Attack is good

umbral parrot
#

oki

gray apex
#

Then look for her or Poseidon afterwards and try to get Mirage, also don’t open up any other duos

umbral parrot
gray apex
#

You can read the guide I sent or watch some runs maybe, you’ll get a good idea of how to scale your damage further

#

You saw me instaphase Heroes the other day, Mirage on its own isn’t enough for that

#

Also keep pomming your cast

#

Up until lv6-7 is totally fine

#

And more if there’s nothing else that’s worth pomming

umbral parrot
#

I got mirage shot!

#

and epic pressure point

gray apex
#

Perfect

umbral parrot
#

2 duo boons in 1 boon bouldy

gray apex
#

Just take Mirage

#

It’s top priority

umbral parrot
#

I instaphased Lernie Yay

#

First time im doing it

gray apex
#

Nice

old tundra
#

why am i not meeting Ares at all

#

i swear i haven't seen him in my last 10 runs

umbral parrot
#

Do i take a second duo boon?

#

Deadly reversal

deep grotto
#

smoldering air + aphrodites aid is goated

umbral parrot
#

Or hide breaker

deep grotto
#

hades literally couldnt hit me

gray apex
#

But take it anyway, you can get her Dash later maybe

umbral parrot
#

I already have tidal dash.. but i one shot everything anyways so lets just take it for fun i guess hehe

gray apex
#

If not then take PP or Support Fire as they are the way to get Fully Loaded which is +2 Casts, massive on Beowulf if you do get it

#

Yea you can sell it later since it wont be procing

#

And use that money to buy third hermes or poms or whatever

#

Well items

umbral parrot
gray apex
#

Taking Hourglass in Elysium is very strong on Beowulf and Hera

languid dragon
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if you encounter a story room but don't take it, can you still find another one later in the same run?

gray apex
umbral parrot
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I literally deleted the heroes bouldy

gray apex
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So if you skip on a Sisyphus room for example he's gone for the run

languid dragon
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so if i found eurydice but didn't take it, can i find patroclus in elysium?

umbral parrot
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Im starting to realise how powerful beowulf actually is

gray apex
languid dragon
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great

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ty

umbral parrot
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its so different compared to anything else

gray apex
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Beowulf is amazing yea

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Also the reason Mirage shot is your top priority on Beowulf is because it does 100% extra damage on the second projectile as opposed to the 30% that the tooltip states, it's bugged

umbral parrot
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Ohh.. So thats why im one shotting everything

gray apex
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Yea

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A decently levelled cast + Mirage shot is enough to shred every enemy

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Your other sources of scaling are mostly so you can use less casts on normal enemies and to kill bosses

umbral parrot
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So.. this is basically the best aspect for speedrunning i suppose?

deep grotto
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whydoes hades standing looks like he got rejected by his crush

umbral parrot
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or i guess for not speedrunning too

gray apex
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For casual clearing and upwards of 50 heat it is considered a very strong aspect, one of the best if not the best, there are a lot of other good ones too such as Rama Zeus Hestia Eris etc

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For speedrunning Beowulf still has some issues that dont exactly make it uncontended best

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But it's very strong regardless

strong ridge
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bad news mirage beo beloved

old tundra
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urge to kill or curse of vengeance, both epic

gray apex
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Depends

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On too many things

old tundra
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aspect of poseidon sword, poseidon special, athena attack, artemis dash

strong ridge
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dear god

old tundra
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yeah

umbral parrot
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wait

old tundra
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i'm yolo-ing it

umbral parrot
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what was that?

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Zagreus said something to aegis

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while entering the hades fight place

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"Beowulf will be your ... ..."

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or something

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and then it shined

gray apex
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It's the first time you get to the surface with the hidden aspects

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A prophecy

umbral parrot
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They are talking alot about beowulf

deep grotto
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its the same for each hidden aspects

umbral parrot
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And... It was my fastest run